Suspension is the only right response to Gronkowski hit

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I like Rob Gronkowski. Everyone seems to like Rob Gronkowski. But I hate what he did on Sunday, and the NFL should, too.

Gronkowski needs to be suspended for his grossly illegal hit to the head of Bills cornerback Tre'Davious White.

The hit didn’t happen during a play within the usual course of a football game. It was a post-whistle, top-rope wrestling move that entailed throwing 275 pounds on to an opponent who was on the ground, and who wasn’t looking. And it resulted in not one but two blows to the head for White: The initial contact between Gronk’s forearm and White’s head, and the contact between White’s head and the ground.

“If you do something like that to someone in the streets, you’re going to jail,” NBC’s Rodney Harrison said during Football Night in America. “He deserves to be suspended one game.”

Yes, he does. Maybe two games (reduced to one on appeal). And while many reacted to Rodney’s remark by pointing out that most things that happen on a football field would constitute assault and/or battery if they happened on the streets, Gronkowski’s hit on White wasn’t a football play. It was an admitted act of anger and frustration.

The fact that it involved a pair of hits to the head for White and placed the rookie in the concussion protocol makes it even more appropriate for a suspension. Indeed, the league suspended Bears linebacker Danny Trevathan earlier this year for a concussion-inducing hit on Packers receiver Davante Adams that came before the whistle. The league later suspended Buccaneers receiver Mike Evans for a blindside hit after the whistle. Gronkowski’s play combines the worst aspects of those two moments, and it cries out for swift and stern discipline.

Given that Patriots coach Bill Belichick admitted to Bills coach Sean McDermott that the maneuver was “bullsh-t,” it will be hard for Belichick to disagree with whatever the league chooses to do. If the league truly is serious about protecting players from unnecessary blows to the head, what the league should choose to do to Gronkowski is to suspend him for at least one game. Because there should be no place in the game for the kind of gratuitous violence in which Gronkowski engaged on Sunday.

195 responses to “Suspension is the only right response to Gronkowski hit

  1. Rodney Harrison passing judgement on cheap shots? Now I’ve heard it all. I don’t think that guy ever made one clean tackle in his career.

  2. None of this would have happened had everyone been playing under the same set of rules.

    While I don’t condone what Gronk did, there are rules for ‘most’ players, and then there are a different set of rules for Gronkowski. Those ‘Gronkowski rules’ allow for him being blatantly ‘held’ and allows for ‘phantom’ offensive pass interference calls that just aren’t there.

  3. Yes, Gronk should be suspended one game. Unfortunately given the consistent incompetence of the NFL management it is anyone’s guess what is going to come.

  4. Hey no I’m good. Let’s suspend gronk and *anyone* who does dirty hits for a game or two. As long as there is consistency.

    But can the media please stop ignoring everything that happened on that play before it. This is not to say it’s excuses Gronk’s actions in anyway at all. He deserves whatever punishment he gets.

    But the media could easily put together a supercut of gronk’s non calls, and should, and then should ask the NFL every single day why this player is singled out to play a much harder game of football than any other receiver.

  5. Low character.
    Be groovy or go away.

    The game is violent enough and at risk of extinction in some parts of the country.
    Concussion lobbyists will have a field day with this.

    NFL, protect your image.

  6. Gronk is not a dirty player and he does not want to be perceived as a dirty player but his frustration should be a wake up call to the officials for the horrible job they’re doing officiating Gronk’s snaps.

    That was a terrible Offensive Pass Interference call on Gronk earlier in the game and on the play that got Gronk frustrated he was held twice by White and was pushed off right before the pick. And on the previous play White basically assaulted him.

  7. Disagree. Multiple-offender Talib only got 1 game (2 before appeal) because it was deemed “premeditated”. By contrast Gronk is a first-time offender who had been riled up all day by being blatantly held every play Buff’s D could catch him on, including that one which created the INT, and yet the refs never once called it, though they did call a ridiculous phantom OPI on him. I saw one ref even laugh at him. The worst officiating I’ve seen all year, and Gronk boiled over. Look at it this way, White and Buffalo cheated all game long and got away with it. Given the circumstances and first offense, it should be a fine (1 game before appeal), and no apology to those cheaters Buffalo, and fines to a terrible crew who got plenty of other calls wrong too.

  8. I don’t even think Gronk would disagree with getting a suspension — but did you actually see Tre’s behavior on the play before he got blindsided with the cheapshot at the end..?

    Obviously Gronk lacked the self-control to deal with the railroading he (and the team) got at the hands of the refs. But I’m surprised some of the ‘neutral’ sports analyst world haven’t openly wondered, “who could?”

  9. No excuse for Gronk, but this could have been avoided if the refs were doing there job. The Bills molested Gronk all day long & nothing was called accept an offensive PI when a Bill ran into Gronk.

    Ground should take the Miami game off & rest up for the Steelers.

  10. I love Gronk, but couldn’t agree more. No excuse for that. He could’ve ended someone’s career for that cheap shot. Sorry Gronk, into the penalty box for one game.

  11. Dead ball foul, defenseless player, concussion delivered. In today’s NFL with head injuries front of mind, Gronk should be suspended for whatever the maximum period is. 6 games? 10 games? A year? Okay. His act was a deliberate attempt to injure a player after the play was over. It doesn’t matter what the refs did or didn’t do. He went after the guy’s head. There’s no excuse for that, no justification.

    Sit him until next September. Playoffs included. Let others know they can’t get away with crap like this.

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    Huge Patriots fan here….(since 1968)….. Gronk will most likely face a 1 game suspension and fine worse case.

    Even though he hasn’t done anything like this in the past 9 years, and he does a ton of charity work, I feel he should sit and pay the fine. It is a play I feel he would take back. And since that is the case, it is something that should not be allowed.

    I listened to his apology after the game and thought he had remorse and regretted his actions. His frustration with the ref’s and the pass interference calls played into yesterdays event, BUT are not an excuse for the event.

    I also listened to the coaches as the met mid field at the end of the game. Bill said it was a BS play and that he apologized. That says it all for me.

    He will sit out he Miami game and be back for Pittsburgh.

  13. Agree. He should get 2 games, to include the Steelers game. I love Gronk, but that was a bogus move. Did you notice he used his elbow / forearm protector as a weapon? Maybe it’s time for him to take that thing off. Gronk… you’re gonna get grabbed. Fight it off and make the catch.

  14. You people who defend Gronk have know scrupples!!! So let me get this straight. The next time Gronk pushes off a DB to secure a catch that DB has the right to go WWE??? The NFL is so concerned with player safety? Prove it! Gronk needs at least a two game suspension. To add insult to injury the Bills came away in the negative. 1st and 25 after your player recieves a blantant cheap shot

  15. The ref comments from Pats fans make me sick. There is no excuse for hitting a defenseless man who is face down in the back of the head. Being from Buffalo, we love Gronk, but that is not only shameful, but sickening.
    3 games should be the punishment.

  16. None are so blind as those who will not see. Yesterday many of the same posters didn’t feel it was a penalty at all. Now Gronk was being held earlier, so it is somewhat justified.
    The refs let the players play, Gronk was pushing off, players were holding him. It was the same with the Patriots secondary. Gilmore and Butler were holding quite a bit as well.

    This was an after the whistle out of bounds , beyond late hit. If someone did the same thing to Tom Brady they would be arrested. Take your suspension.

  17. He should get a minimum of 2 games, with no reduction. He could have killed that kid. Having said that, he’ll get one game, appeal it, & play this week.

  18. I agree. Not acceptable. But the majority of fans also think Goodell needs to go yet here we are.

  19. Given the way the officials made the calls & non-calls as related to Gronk the entire game (and basically what they have been doing for at least the last 3 years) I don’t blame Gronk for being frustrated.

    But, and this is a big but, that late hit is not the way to express your frustration.

    Long time Pats fan here, but I cannot defend that hit. Punishment is due, consistent with what others have received for similar late hits.

  20. Not that he doesn’t deserve it but there’s no way the NFL suspends Gronk for their prime time match-up against the Steelers in two weeks.

  21. Yeah, a fine and a game. That kind of cheap shot requires it. I know Gronk is sick and tired of getting mugged on every play with impunity – but getting OPI calls when he waves a hand in the general direction of a DB, but that was very bad and very dumb. First offense, so anyone figuring on him getting suspended for the marquee game of the season is probably engaging on wishful thinking, but I’ll allow that there’s no telling what comes out of Park Ave. these days.

  22. Gronk is otherwise a good dude, but a suspension is warranted here. 2-3 games and move on.

  23. The Pats were up by TWENTY points at the time…You fans excusing his actions because he felt he was held are insane. No player deserves to be ASSAULTED blindly from behind with an flying elbow to the back of the head because a ref didn’t call a penalty. There is ZERO excuse for this play.

  24. What is wrong with you people? DPI goes uncalled I’m every game. Only sick minded people think intentionally injuring a player is a proper response to that player getting away with DPI.

  25. Hope Gronk just takes it for next game which is against Miami. Game afterwards is Pittsburgh and Pats need him more for that one. Stupid play, wouldn’t want to be him in the team film session this week!

  26. Love hearing Pats fans defend this garbage. By pointing out that he was held, you are excusing it as a reasonable reaction. This is why everyone thinks you’re a garbage fan base. Imagine if someone did that to Brady. Greater Boston might implode. This was blatant & deliberate intent to injure. What happened before has 0 bearing on this. 2 games seems right.

    And besides, that ball wasn’t intercepted because Gronk got held. It was intercepted because Brady still somehow under threw it even with him being held.

  27. I love Gronk as much as any other Pats fan, but this was over the top. One game suspension and a fine. But the problem here is that Gronk is 6’7″ and 275 pounds of finely chiseled tight end muscle, and once he gets going he’s tough to stop, so teams will try to stop him by any means necessary, and sometimes they’re illegal and sometimes they result in injury. I’ve seen Gronk get manhandled by gang tackling and low hits, so I can understand his “seven years” comment. In sports the superstars always get special attention, but they have to try to keep their cool. Not condoning what Gronk did by any means, but I understand where it came from.

  28. Fine….nothing more….
    Refs allowed this to escalate to the end results….
    GRONK was grabbed & held all day getting no calls & on the interception he was both held & pushed off with no call…
    Got to get old!!!!

  29. Patriot fans must be little kids cause that’s what you act like.

    Remember the 2003/4 playoffs where the Patriots held Colts receivers the entire game. Polian asked the league to enforce the rules but Patriot fan interprets that as changing the rules.

    Ironic, the Patriots have never played by the rules.

  30. Could someone please explain the justification for a suspension for a guy with no priors when you consider that Ndominkun Suh has accumulated 250+K in fines for 8 “player safety” incidents? Suh, who is arguably the dirtiest player of the past decade, has served exactly 1 game of suspension time in his career!!! Gronk’s move was bush, but compared to Suh, he is a choir boy.

  31. It was a dirty play, so suspend him as long as you want ..we’re still going to the Super Bowl ..and winning it ..again

  32. Lifetime banishment is the only way to go for violations this blatantly egregious. Gronk wants to start his wrestling career early obviously …. let him, he will no be missed.

  33. It was bull—-. I also understand his frustration leading to the action. It shouldn’t have happened but I do blame the refs.

    If they are refusing to call penalties for actions against him which are blatant most likely due to his size AND if they are calling phantom penalties for his actions most likely due to his size (he must have done something to be so wide open) then I understand how it turns into a situation where someone says, “Well, if you are not going to call penalties lets see if you call this.”

    It was a wrong action out of frustration and he deserves some type of punishment.

    Then he’ll come back and be subject to another offensive pass interference which leaves the announcers scratching their heads wondering what the ref saw (or we’ll see another play where his jersey is being pulled, he is being hugged as the ball arrives or the defensive pushes him with an extended arm and the refs keep the flag in their pocket most likely because he is a big guy).

  34. Patriots fan myself love Rob but he went way way over the top and absolutely deserves a suspension of some sorts I am thinking two games that will make him miss the Pittsburgh game which I am sure the league will want to make a point and punish the Patriots.

    I am absolutely NOT using this as an excuse but hos frustration was caused by poor officiating First the crazy OPI call on the first play of the second half and then on the play in question his jersey was being pulled and he was held…how does that get missed by all those officials.

    Like I said no excuse just an explanation of his frustration.

  35. I am dumbfounded that people are blaming the refs! Wow give me a break. Gronk pushes off on almost every play. I got 1 question for you. What team was given a 1st down when they were almost a yard short?? Don’t change the subject! Which team was it. Instead of being 4th down everyone on the field and in the booth thought is was 4th down but NE saw what the terrible terrible refs that hate them did and ran a play right away before it was caught. Anyone blaming the Refs for this cheap shot is just in denial and need to look in the mirror. I don’t care if my Mom ran out of the stands and did that. I wold suspend her too. So now make comment about my Mom and show me your how classy all of you are.

  36. Gronk was wrong. But his frustration is understandable. The league right now is allowing opposing players to play hackashaq on Gronk on Every. Freaking. Play. It’s getting old. The game should not be one set of rules for one player and different rules for everyone else

    It’s interesting that Tom Brady called the officiating out on it this morning. Maybe now that will get some attention.

  37. TheWizard says:
    December 4, 2017 at 7:56 am
    One game. And the refs need to clean up their game, as well. No more different rules for Rob.


    Preach.

  38. Rodney Harrison of all people talking about hoping players getting suspended for dirty hits. LOL.

  39. It’s sickening seeing the number of posts trying to defend his actions on this. This was a deliberate and intentional blow to the head that could have caused serious harm – by a player over 80 pounds heavier.

    It doesn’t matter what’s gone before, nothing justifies that sort of behaviour. This is not an anti-Gronk or anti-Pats post – I’d be saying this regardless of the team or the player.

    If the NFL are serious about player safety, they cannot allow Gronk to walk away from this without a suspension.

    I agree that the officiating was terrible in this game (and has been overall during the whole season) but this does not constitute mitigating circumstances.

  40. All the Pats fans crying about the refs are delusional. Gronk gets away with more OPI than Hopkins, Brady just has to look at a ref to get a fake flag on 3rd down. The league consistently allows them to cheat, and then when exposed, slap them on the wrist and let all the fanboys cry conspiracy.

  41. Gronk should get the exact same suspension Burfict got for kicking a player in the face and Suh got for spinning the RB around by the facemask last week.
    #fakeoutrage

  42. Albert Haynesworth got a 5 game suspension for stomping on someone’s head. What Gronk did might not look as bad but it may be worse as the guy got a concussion. He should get a 5 game suspension.

  43. Before we pile onto Gronk, why don’t we take a look at what the league has done about serial cheap-shot artist, Suh.

    I certainly can’t condone Gronk’s major lapse in good judgement yesterday, but he has NEVER been in any kind of trouble before. He is on the receiving end of cheap-shots and holds in EVERY game.

    If Gronk gets suspended for a game, there will be no way to justify that punishment after allowing Donkeykong to skate on multiple cheap-shots per game.

    Gronk snapped yesterday, and it was wrong. I would bet my bottom dollar that it will never happen again, however.

    There are several head-hunting players in the league that try to injure people via the cheap-shot during every game. Rarely are any of them even fined, much less suspended.

    Gronk messed up. Badly.
    We all know that it was an anomaly, though.

    Anything more than a fat fine would simply be Roger’s anti-Patriot bias shining through.

  44. To those commenters deflecting the blame to the officials; Suppose we change a few names: White to Brady and Gronkowski to Lorenzo Walker. Walker does the exact same thing to Brady and gives an excuse about being held throughout the game. Would you all still be blaming the refs or would you be calling for Walkers head on a platter, permanent ban, etc?
    What a bunch of hypocrites.

  45. There’s holding on nearly every single play in football. Julio Jones get held, Antonio Brown get held, Calvin Johnson got held, every receiver get held. But you don’t get to use that as a reason to be frustrated to drive your elbow down into somebody helmet/head. I don’t care if it’s a first act or you’re a multi time offender, if you do something so egregious after the play is over then you deserve a suspension regardless of who you are.

  46. ruffbufffire says:
    December 4, 2017 at 7:47 am
    You people who defend Gronk have know scrupples!!!
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    Damn, dude, you’re right! I have no scrupples!

  47. Love the Pats, love Gronk, but he’s gotta sit for a couple for that, that was bush league and everyone including him knows it. He’ll likely just get one game though, no way the League allows a marquis player to miss a marquis regular season matchup like NE vs Pitt. I think we know by now that the league isn’t always fair about these things.

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    famundacheese says:
    December 4, 2017 at 7:44 am
    Aren’t you guys tired of always making excuses for shady behavior?

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    But we are not being shady this time, Gronk really did this. The first time we can talk about something that a Patriot really did and you still want to accuse us of making it up? Dont you guys ever get tired of winning all the time?

  49. “Gronk get held every play” such childish talk pat fans, grow up, he’s a jerk…by the way, I think just about every other play he’s pushing off, so maybe he’s lucky they let them play…stop crying

  50. All these pats fans trying to justify the hit because of the missed calls. Pathetic.

    I don’t care what the guy does. You go back to the huddle after the play and you make them pay by burning them the next play (which he easily was doing all day). His intent was to injure. A GUYS HEAD. No missed call ever justifies trying to potentially end a players career.

  51. I love how every Pats fan thinks they get hosed by the refs. What a joke you guys get so many bs calls.

  52. Patriots fans somehow trying to justify this because he was “held” (but get upset when you point out all the blatant PUSH OFFS Gronkowski gets away with) is laughable.

  53. A suspension will only help Gronk be fresh for Playoffs, He deserves a hefty fine and possibly a 1 game suspension. He has no track record but I would not mind seeing the league send a message in this situation.

  54. I say a short rest for Gronk is a worthwhile price to make the officials stop letting opposing players get away with mugging the big guy. It’s getting tiresome. Defend him one on one like a man and not cheat to do it.

    I’m glad Brady called out the officials on that today so you know they have league’s attention. Let’s see what happens.

    🙂

  55. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    December 4, 2017 at 8:46 am

    Patriots fans somehow trying to justify this because he was “held” (but get upset when you point out all the blatant PUSH OFFS Gronkowski gets away with) is laughable.


    Sorry about your Giants.

    Just kidding! Eat it cupcake. 🙂

  56. I am still scratching my head how Alonzo and Suh got a pass, and Burfict has been given breaks that just amaze me. But its time those sort of free passes started getting treated like the mistakes they were and stop doing them. So Gronk should get a game off (just like Alonzo and Suh should have and Burfict a few times too). And going forward guys that do this, either ones I mentioned or others, should sit and lose a game check over it. Cases where they openly fight like Crabtree and Talib should get more (that should have stayed at 2 games). I agree that bad officiating contributed here. But also badly enforced discipline has been a factor too. The NFLs attempts to act tough just look like dice roll decisions (“ok, lets make a show if acting tough with this guy”) it does not appear to correlate to the infractions at all. So players just know they might get the short straw (or not) some time no matter what they do which removes the incentive to be disciplined about what they do. And we are seeing the results.

  57. Still waiting for the suspendanistas to justify having Gronk sitting a game (or 2!?!?!?) when Suh stomped, kicked, and punched his way to the “dirtiest player” tag by sitting a total of 1 game despite EIGHT player safety penalties…You are welcome to weight in on this too, Florio…

    Then again, we ALL know that Park Ave. is clueless about handing out discipline in an even-handed, equitable fashion…

  58. Should Gronkowski’s arm protection be viewed as a weapon on this play? Should the league consider barring him from wearing protective/weaponized gear as a consequence of his actions?

  59. He should be done for rest of this season + the playoffs. This was essentially assault…spare me the “this is football” argument. It’s not football when it’s so blatantly in violation of the rules!

  60. This game says a lot about the poor refereeing in the NFL.Fans have complained for several years.Gronk is manhandled a lot but is able to shakes it off because he is so big and strong.The poor refereeing job led to the frustration that led to this poor decision by Gronk.I am not making excuses for Gronk’s extremely poor behaviourand I believe a he should get a one game suspension and fine.The NFL needs to start disciplining the teams of refs and refs individually for their lousy job performance and like player discipline it should be done publicly.Fans deserve better.Hope to see White on field next week.

  61. “It was a post-whistle”

    It was not post whistle. There was no whistle until after Gronk applied his hit. Cheap shot and fine but no suspension.

  62. I like Rob Gronkowski. Everyone seems to like Rob Gronkowski.
    ………………………………
    Yes you like Gronk, you are decidedly a Pats homer. No not everyone likes Gronk. I don’t like him or Kelce either one.

    Gates & Gonzalez were both better in their prime and they both still have more class than either of those two morons.

  63. Fact 1: The Faux Outrage over this is pathetic. Gronk is guilty of spearing and I’ve

    Fact 2: Gronk has not pushed off in years in fear of off PI being called and cheating his team. It’s been very clear for years and years they’ve been watching him for any chance to bring the ball back and cheat the Pats, so he knows this. Hence, he does not push off. He’s just a really big, athletic guy.

    Fact 3: Goodell cheats.

    Fact 4: Gronk was held TWICE and then tackled on the play with no flags on BUffalo after he was called for off PI earlier in the game to cheat the Pats.

    Fact 5: Gronk has had enough of the cheating and so have Pats fans.

    STOP CHEATING MY TEAM

  64. if the NFL cares about player safety, specifically concussions, they would suspend party boy for the rest of the season, including playoffs.

  65. Sniveling little toady says:
    December 4, 2017 at 8:54 am
    I am still scratching my head how Alonzo and Suh got a pass, and Burfict has been given breaks that just amaze me. But its time those sort of free passes started getting treated like the mistakes they were and stop doing them. So Gronk should get a game off (just like Alonzo and Suh should have and Burfict a few times too). And going forward guys that do this, either ones I mentioned or others, should sit and lose a game check over it. Cases where they openly fight like Crabtree and Talib should get more (that should have stayed at 2 games). I agree that bad officiating contributed here. But also badly enforced discipline has been a factor too. The NFLs attempts to act tough just look like dice roll decisions (“ok, lets make a show if acting tough with this guy”) it does not appear to correlate to the infractions at all. So players just know they might get the short straw (or not) some time no matter what they do which removes the incentive to be disciplined about what they do. And we are seeing the results.

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    Yep. And, then adding this faux outrage crap is so annoying. Suh can stomp people, Talib starts brawls as a repeat offender, etc, with less.

    Unreal.

    This comes from Gronk having enough of Goodell’s cheating every week. It started in Week 1 with Eric Berry mauling the guy as part of a gampeplan, and now everyone is doing it.

    If Pats defenders did this to any opponent’s offensive player, flags would be coming out over and over, on every down.

    Spearing is spearing. I’ve seen OL do it into the pile, with little to no fanfare at all.

  66. yea, he let them get to him with all the holding and lost his cool. fine, suspend him a game. gronk knows he screwed up. his coach apologized on the field and made sure gronk did so immediately in the locker room.

    But I love the self righteousness outrage and escalation of punishment here – two games! should be three! —- just make sure he’s out at pittsburgh right?

  67. willycents says:
    December 4, 2017 at 8:36 am
    To those commenters deflecting the blame to the officials; Suppose we change a few names: White to Brady and Gronkowski to Lorenzo Walker. Walker does the exact same thing to Brady and gives an excuse about being held throughout the game. Would you all still be blaming the refs or would you be calling for Walkers head on a platter, permanent ban, etc?
    What a bunch of hypocrites.

    That would make sense, if Brady wasn’t already being cheap shotted all throughout each and every game. When anyone complains they are dubbed whiners. So, what’s it gonna be, cheap shots for everyone or consistency in calls?

  68. RGisvacuous says:
    December 4, 2017 at 8:54 am
    Still waiting for the suspendanistas to justify having Gronk sitting a game (or 2!?!?!?) when Suh stomped, kicked, and punched his way to the “dirtiest player” tag by sitting a total of 1 game despite EIGHT player safety penalties…You are welcome to weight in on this too, Florio…

    Then again, we ALL know that Park Ave. is clueless about handing out discipline in an even-handed, equitable fashion…

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    Its that continuing to do wrongs wont make a right. You are correct that Suh should have gotten more than he did, and if we could go back for a do over maybe it would get handled better the sevond time. So I agree with you on the wrongness of the past. The justification in making Gronk sit a game is that its not repeating those past wrongs.

  69. johngaltwho says:
    December 4, 2017 at 8:59 am
    There should be a minimum of a 2 game suspension for actions that occur outside of football action.

    Right, like the 2 games Lynch got for running onto the field after a play was whistled dead the slapped an official’s arm off of him?

  70. Ugh, Love Gronk and the Pats but come on fellow pats fans. I read no less than 4 times that “yeah well it was dirty but…” or “it could have been avoided IF the ref’s did their jobs in the first place”. No, I’m sorry it could have been avoided IF Gronk decided not to lose his head. That’s what it was. No excuses. A dumb play. He lost his head, there is no excuse for what he did. End of story. He’s not a dirty player but that was one hell of a dirty play. He needs to take what ever suspension he gets and hope that they don’t take out his knees in 3 weeks. If that happened to Brady every pats fan here would lose their GD minds. Stop defending an indefensible act. Also anyone who says I am a salty Jets fan is exactly the type of pats fan that gives the rest of us a bad reputation. It’s OK to call it what it is. an uncharacteristic dirty play by one of my favorite players of all time. No fan goggles on here. Spades a spade.

  71. flakeybiscuits says:
    December 4, 2017 at 8:43 am
    All these pats fans trying to justify the hit because of the missed calls. Pathetic.

    I don’t care what the guy does. You go back to the huddle after the play and you make them pay by burning them the next play (which he easily was doing all day). His intent was to injure. A GUYS HEAD. No missed call ever justifies trying to potentially end a players career.

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    Typical. You don’t care that Goodell cheats my team weekly as an institutional measure, so it benefits YOU, selfishly, because you’re also jealous of the Pats success and continued success.

    Isn’t that just swell.

    Gronk doesn’t snap if he isn’t being cheated every week.

  72. No TE gets mugged as much as him, because he’s virtually uncoverable, so they have to. It’s been going on since he’s been in the league. The refs generally let teams get away with it because he’s as productive as he is.

    What he did was wrong. No two ways about it. One game suspension.

    Everyone knows that he’s not a dirty player and never has been. This is out of character and the Patriots don’t condone this stuff all. Other teams literally have a culture of attempting to injure. The Pats have never been one of them.

  73. ninetysixer says:
    December 4, 2017 at 9:10 am
    if the NFL cares about player safety, specifically concussions, they would suspend party boy for the rest of the season, including playoffs.

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    That would be extreme. If you take homerism and wishes to use the disciplinary process to help affect the playoffs in a way you desire (which is what I think is driving your comment) you see that this should be a one gamer. (And should have been to others in the oast). If it happens again a two famer. And so forth. I agree there are guts in the league that are at a pointbthey should be taking seasons iff or posdibly out if foitball. But a first infraction of malicious hitting after a play is clearly over should start at one game.

  74. Tashan Harrison says:
    December 4, 2017 at 8:38 am
    There’s holding on nearly every single play in football. Julio Jones get held, Antonio Brown get held, Calvin Johnson got held, every receiver get held. But you don’t get to use that as a reason to be frustrated to drive your elbow down into somebody helmet/head. I don’t care if it’s a first act or you’re a multi time offender, if you do something so egregious after the play is over then you deserve a suspension regardless of who you are.

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    Sneaky holding or complete maul jobs in desperation? Please do not insult people’s intelligence here.

    The typical holding on star WRs is nowhere near what happens to Gronk. He gets phantom Off PI calls against him constantly and is held literally on EVERY play.

    Just stop. This is a clear open edict for teams who play the Pats and Carolina, KC, etc, used it to their advantage earlier this year, with fake penalties to help those teams win, on top of it.

    How much more meat off the bone do you Goodell stooges want?

  75. The league should do what it always does. Look at what discipline was handed out when other teams committed a similar offense (0 or 1 game suspension). Then realize this is the Patriots and suspend Gronk 4 games, then steal a few draft picks for good measure.

  76. Andrew Galinauskas says:
    December 4, 2017 at 9:20 am
    Ugh, Love Gronk and the Pats but come on fellow pats fans. I read no less than 4 times that “yeah well it was dirty but…” or “it could have been avoided IF the ref’s did their jobs in the first place”. No, I’m sorry it could have been avoided IF Gronk decided not to lose his head. That’s what it was. No excuses. A dumb play. He lost his head, there is no excuse for what he did. End of story. He’s not a dirty player but that was one hell of a dirty play. He needs to take what ever suspension he gets and hope that they don’t take out his knees in 3 weeks. If that happened to Brady every pats fan here would lose their GD minds. Stop defending an indefensible act. Also anyone who says I am a salty Jets fan is exactly the type of pats fan that gives the rest of us a bad reputation. It’s OK to call it what it is. an uncharacteristic dirty play by one of my favorite players of all time. No fan goggles on here. Spades a spade.

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    Always go to the source of the problem. Why is it that troll hater fans like you approve of institutionalized cheating against the Pats? You people don’t even want it hidden anymore. You just want it done right in front of everyone.

    The first penalty out of halftime to keep the game close was a phantom off PI on Gronk.

    Fact.

  77. ikeclanton says:
    December 4, 2017 at 9:25 am
    No TE gets mugged as much as him, because he’s virtually uncoverable, so they have to. It’s been going on since he’s been in the league. The refs generally let teams get away with it because he’s as productive as he is.

    What he did was wrong. No two ways about it. One game suspension.

    Everyone knows that he’s not a dirty player and never has been. This is out of character and the Patriots don’t condone this stuff all. Other teams literally have a culture of attempting to injure. The Pats have never been one of them.

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    Exactly. Reasonable analysis. Thank you.

    STOP THE CHEATING FROM 345 PARK AVE

  78. AJ Green wasn’t suspended although he hit another player — after the play was over. OBJ & Norman weren’t suspended after that game a few years ago where they were both hitting each other after the plays were over. Gronk’s hit was wrong; just like every other late hit out of bounds when a player hits another. It wasn’t worse than Green, OBJ or Norman.

    Talib & Crabtree were suspended for one game for starting a brawl, after the play was over, that ended up involving lots of other players & hurting a ref. And Talib has a history; a few years ago he poked at an opposing players eyes; last year he ripped Crabtree’s chain off his neck. Gronk’s hit was not as bad as Crabtree & Talib and he has not history.

    So, Gronk should not be treated the same as Talib & Crabtree.

    Gronk should be treated the same as AJ Green. And while they are at it, the league needs to decide whether it’s just going to allow opposing teams to hit and hold and interfere with Gronk with impunity. As with Crabtree, the NFL’s decision to allow players to interfere with Gronk and to allow Talib just to rip Crabtree’s chain — without punishing the offenders — led to the fight this year and to Gronk’s out of bounds hit. I’m not excusing Gronk or Crabtree but if the NFL doesn’t enforce its rules, players are going to lose their cool and take care of things themselves.

  79. Contrary to what several biased non-patriot fans have posted, Patriot fans have not said that gronk was justified in doing what he did. Patriot fans are not supporting what gronk did. With that said…it is still fair to point out how this would not have escalated to where it did if the refs had been doing their jobs.

    The phantom OPI call on gronk was only a few plays prior. Then the refs swallow their whistles while gronk is mugged during his entire pass route and that results in an “interception”. The refs also gave the Patriots a phantom first down earlier in the game. So the refs were clearly incompetent during that game and the poor officiating escalated and resulted in multiple penalties by both teams after the gronk hit. Don’t forget that Buffalo was penalized more on that play.

    Patriots fans are right to point out that gronk would have never done what he did if the refs had been doing their jobs. Patriot fans do not consider that as a reason or justification for the action. It just created the situation where the player then made a very bad decision. A fine would be a fair punishment. A fine and a one game suspension would be excessive considering he wasn’t ejected and it was a first time offense. But Patriot fans would not complain if a one game suspension was given. Especially if players on other teams receive similar punishments going forward.

  80. Agree that what Gronk did was despicable, and he should have the book thrown at him (and I’m a Gronk fan).

    But for all of you Pats fans complaining about bad calls going against you, I can’t imagine what you’d be saying if you were Lions fans. NO team has had as many calls that directly changed the outcome of games go against them than the Lions. The NFL has even made rules out of some of them (the Calvin Johnson “Complete the Process of the Catch” rule, for example). They will probably be looking at yet another (the “Ten Second Runoff Rule,” because of what happened in our game against Atlanta this year) after the season.

    Yes, we haven’t won a championship since 1957 (let alone never been to a Super Bowl). Yes, we suck. Yes, we decided to pay Stafford $25M a season, which prevents us under the salary cap from surrounding him with better players. Yes, we envy Bill Belichik and how he manages your organization. But we get to be fans for our team, too, and nobody has been screwed more than us in recent years. It’s tough enough being a Lions fan without bad calls that directly turned victories into defeat. So stop complaining about calls going against you, and go back to polishing your championship rings.

  81. yes you like Gronk, you are decidedly a Pats homer. No not everyone likes Gronk. I don’t like him or Kelce either one.

    Gates & Gonzalez were both better in their prime and they both still have more class than either of those two morons.
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    Gronkowski is 35 TD’s behind those two in his 7th year. He already has more 10TD or more seasons than both of them. Sorry Charlie–Gronk will go down as the best TE the game has ever seen. I love both Gates and Gonzo, but at the end it won’t be close.

    Gronk suspended at least 1 game.

  82. “kemp13 says:
    December 4, 2017 at 7:39 am
    Dead ball foul, defenseless player, concussion delivered. In today’s NFL with head injuries front of mind, Gronk should be suspended for whatever the maximum period is. 6 games? 10 games? A year? Okay. His act was a deliberate attempt to injure a player after the play was over. It doesn’t matter what the refs did or didn’t do. He went after the guy’s head. There’s no excuse for that, no justification.

    Sit him until next September. Playoffs included. Let others know they can’t get away with crap like this.”

    Is that you, Mike Tomlin? Or is it Harbaugh? LOL

  83. streetyson says:
    December 4, 2017 at 7:22 am
    Disagree. Multiple-offender Talib only got 1 game (2 before appeal) because it was deemed “premeditated”. By contrast Gronk is a first-time offender who had been riled up all day by being blatantly held every play Buff’s D could catch him on, including that one which created the INT, and yet the refs never once called it, though they did call a ridiculous phantom OPI on him. I saw one ref even laugh at him. The worst officiating I’ve seen all year, and Gronk boiled over. Look at it this way, White and Buffalo cheated all game long and got away with it. Given the circumstances and first offense, it should be a fine (1 game before appeal), and no apology to those cheaters Buffalo, and fines to a terrible crew who got plenty of other calls wrong too.

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    Couple of things…..Talib fought with Crabtree who was a more than willing participant in the fight. Not only was the Bills player not a willing participant, he never saw it coming as he was on the ground face down. Thats the definition of a cheap shot with the intent to injure.

    Second, just because you’ve been held, doesnt give you the right to cheap shot a player laying on the ground who doesnt see it coming. Its not like he punched the guy after being held in some sort of continuing action. Gronkowski saw an opportunity to go hurt the guy without having to face him man to man!

    Slice it any way you want, it was dirty, it was a cheap shot, his intent was to injure and it was chicken sh$t and cowardly. Give him 2 games and call it a day!

    Oh its ironic that the one team in the NFL that is notorious for cheating would have fans complaining about another team’s cheating…….only Patriots fans!

  84. Should Gronk get fined … Yes
    Should he be suspended … No (first offense)
    Should the refs get sanctioned … Definitely

    Defensive Back nearly rips Gronks jersey off his back on the play and doesn’t get flagged. That would certainly be frustrating, especially to go along with the phantom offensive pass interference call.

    Just Saying

  85. desperation? Please do not insult people’s intelligence here.

    The typical holding on star WRs is nowhere near what happens to Gronk. He gets phantom Off PI calls against him constantly and is held literally on EVERY play.

    Just stop. This is a clear open edict for teams who play the Pats and Carolina, KC, etc, used it to their advantage earlier this year, with fake penalties to help those teams win, on top of it.

    How much more meat off the bone do you Goodell stooges want?

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    Your comment is homerism at its finest. Nothing good ever happens to NE. The world is out to get them. The problem is that you’re lunping his assault and intend to end a mans career with calls made or not made during the course of the game. You have never added once iota of logic to any argument. I’ve defended the Pats against Goodell with deflate gate but gwt over yourself. I will not argue that there are bad calls against all teams. In fact, I can count several plays where Gilmore could have been called for holding as well. But in your mind that can’t happen because NE always gets the bad callls..

    If you want to argue that, you’re wasting your time, which you do with each comment and you comment a lot on every teams post trying to interject how NE gets treated unfairly. That is subjective at best because you have no statistical analysis proving that Gronk gets more non calls than anyone else. No proof at all other than your blatant subjectivity and homerism.

    What Gronk did wAs uncalled for and he should be suspended for 2 games, no more. I say 2’games, not because I’m supposedly jealous but because this league claims to want to protect players.

    And you should really stop commenting until you can insert some logic into your statements besides “woah is me”… it’s an act that is getting rather old.

  86. wow….there sure are a lot of crybabies on this thread. Don’t worry, Gronk will be available when the Pats play Pittsburgh and beat them like a drum…..again….

  87. Because of his actions, Gronk joins the list of dirty players. He was mad so he took it out on a defenseless player. He meant to injure him. Gronk is a dirty player.

  88. Imagine if the player being speared had been Gronk. This kind of cheapshot to a player’s head, in the midst of an NFL-hell a football problem with CTE, should bring the harshest suspension allowed under the CBA, PERIOD!

  89. I like how idiotic trolls are lying and saying we are excusing Gronk for what he did no we aren’t. We are saying it’s a bit strange that before that happened Gronk was mugged for 10 yards down field in front of an official. Gronk needs to sit out for what he did but then again those officials have no business reffing an NFL game.

  90. limakey says:
    December 4, 2017 at 9:49 am

    Because of his actions, Gronk joins the list of dirty players. He was mad so he took it out on a defenseless player. He meant to injure him. Gronk is a dirty player.
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    Sorry but your countless posting of nonsense has diminished your credibility when it comes to posting about the Patriots.

  91. What ever they decide… they better apply any discipline with CONSISTENCY. I can see a one game suspension but anymore it looks like the league is punishing Gronk because he is a Patriot. Careful what you wish for with this suspension because the next player will be handled the same way…. Jerry Jones has learned that lesson

  92. Suspend him the number of games they intend to suspend him. Fans and media should call for him to be suspended the number of games he should be suspended.

    Why are we so accepting of this false compromise BS? He should be suspended two games so it can be changed on appeal to the 1 game I think he really deserves.
    They are not teenagers who broke curfew. Parents ground their kids 2 weeks then feel bad for their children and reduce it to one.
    The system should be you are suspended for doing X. The appeal should be “but I didn’t do X.” If they can prove that revoke the suspension. Otherwise, the suspension should stand. What’s Gronks defense? “I didn’t elbow him 2 games hard, it was only 1 game hard.”

  93. I’m sorry, but Pats fans whining about not getting calls? You’ve got to be kidding me! This team has gotten away with more in the past 15 years than all other teams combined!

  94. Sorry but your countless posting of nonsense has diminished your credibility when it comes to posting about the Patriots.

    And your screen name couldn’t be any further from the truth. It’s amazing that Patriot fans are only worried about THEIR team….the hell with the possible concussion Gronk só senselessly caused…..see why Pat’s fans are so easy to hate……karma will get Mr Gronk and you crybaby nation fans….can’t wait.

  95. weeteblog says:
    December 4, 2017 at 9:41 am

    Oh its ironic that the one team in the NFL that is notorious for cheating would have fans complaining about another team’s cheating…….only Patriots fans!
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    A few dimwits still subscribe to the “cheating” nonsense….that’s doesn’t make it “notorious”. Science already showed those that can understand science at a 7t grade level that the footballs dropped PSI due to cold & rain. The coach did misinterpret a memo over 10 years ago but only a few crybabies still try to call that “cheating”. All of the other tin-foil hat allegations were found to be false. Some people never seem to get the updates to news after initial headlines.

  96. Your comment is homerism at its finest. Nothing good ever happens to NE. The world is out to get them. The problem is that you’re lunping his assault and intend to end a mans career with calls made or not made during the course of the game. You have never added once iota of logic to any argument. I’ve defended the Pats against Goodell with deflate gate but gwt over yourself. I will not argue that there are bad calls against all teams. In fact, I can count several plays where Gilmore could have been called for holding as well. But in your mind that can’t happen because NE always gets the bad callls..

    If you want to argue that, you’re wasting your time, which you do with each comment and you comment a lot on every teams post trying to interject how NE gets treated unfairly. That is subjective at best because you have no statistical analysis proving that Gronk gets more non calls than anyone else. No proof at all other than your blatant subjectivity and homerism.

    What Gronk did wAs uncalled for and he should be suspended for 2 games, no more. I say 2’games, not because I’m supposedly jealous but because this league claims to want to protect players.

    And you should really stop commenting until you can insert some logic into your statements besides “woah is me”… it’s an act that is getting rather old.

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    Of course the NFL world is out to get them. It’s part of the reason Goodell was hired an the principled Tagliabue was told to hit the bricks. Have you been in a coma for the last decade?

    Remember when Gronk was mualed in the end zone in 2013 in Carolina on MNF?

    Creepiest thing I’ve ever seen.

    1. Clear PI.

    2. Flag thrown.

    3. Refs convene to tell the ref who saw the obvious penalty, that it’s an opportunity to cheat the Pats and seal the win for Carolina, as Peyton Manning and Denver needed the 1 seed.

    This happened again in 2015 in a game vs Denver with Gronk mauled or flagged for phantom PI, shifting the game, allowing Denver to ge the 1 seed yet again after NE dominated the game.

    It’s institutional cheating. No one cares if you have an unhealthy bias against the Pats.

    All we ask is that Goodell stop the cheating. They have meetings about this crap!

    “How can we cheat the Pats, without it being too obvious?”

    Every owner in the league, save for Bob Kraft, is on those conference calls. RInse and repeat.

    “How do we slow down or stop the Pats?”

  97. onebuffalove716 says:
    December 4, 2017 at 9:48 am
    desperation? Please do not insult people’s intelligence here.

    The typical holding on star WRs is nowhere near what happens to Gronk. He gets phantom Off PI calls against him constantly and is held literally on EVERY play.

    Just stop. This is a clear open edict for teams who play the Pats and Carolina, KC, etc, used it to their advantage earlier this year, with fake penalties to help those teams win, on top of it.

    How much more meat off the bone do you Goodell stooges want?

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    Your comment is homerism at its finest. Nothing good ever happens to NE. The world is out to get them. The problem is that you’re lunping his assault and intend to end a mans career with calls made or not made during the course of the game. You have never added once iota of logic to any argument. I’ve defended the Pats against Goodell with deflate gate but gwt over yourself. I will not argue that there are bad calls against all teams. In fact, I can count several plays where Gilmore could have been called for holding as well. But in your mind that can’t happen because NE always gets the bad callls..

    If you want to argue that, you’re wasting your time, which you do with each comment and you comment a lot on every teams post trying to interject how NE gets treated unfairly. That is subjective at best because you have no statistical analysis proving that Gronk gets more non calls than anyone else. No proof at all other than your blatant subjectivity and homerism.

    What Gronk did wAs uncalled for and he should be suspended for 2 games, no more. I say 2’games, not because I’m supposedly jealous but because this league claims to want to protect players.

    And you should really stop commenting until you can insert some logic into your statements besides “woah is me”… it’s an act that is getting rather old.

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    Best post on this thread that can be applied to 75% of the Pat’s fanboys on this site….good job.

  98. nbptma1 says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:58 am
    None of this would have happened had everyone been playing under the same set of rules.

    While I don’t condone what Gronk did, there are rules for ‘most’ players, and then there are a different set of rules for Gronkowski. Those ‘Gronkowski rules’ allow for him being blatantly ‘held’ and allows for ‘phantom’ offensive pass interference calls that just aren’t there.

    Dude – you are out of your mind! Gronk gets away with offensive PI multiple times a game. It was a miracle that they actually called it for a change. Take the blinders off.

  99. Funny to watch the whiney Steeler fans pile on for the 2 game suspension. What a laugh. Even THEY know that it is the only chance they have to win that game is for the Pats to be Gronkless, Hoganless, and Edelmanless.

    BTW- He does deserve a one game suspension.

  100. The hit was not justified and Gronk should either be fined or suspended 1 game but the officials bear some responsibility too. A review of the play, prior to Gronk going postal, shows 3 separate incidents where the DB was either locking arms with Gronk or pulling on his shirt. The final insult is the pass was intercepted. Earlier in the game Gronk was flagged for an offensive PI that Tony Romo described as “Not much there”. In between Gronk had one of his best games of the year.

    If you’re the opposition and you see a guy dominating the game like that you start doing desperate things to neutralize that player. The officials have got to step in and stop this from happening or, at the very least, be consistent and don’t penalize a player for being an unstoppable force. Again, no excuse for Gronk’s actions it’s December and the number 1 seed is up for grabs and Gronk did a really stupid thing that could jeopardize the Patriots’ entire season.

  101. factpurveyor | Dec 4, 2017, 10:17 AM EST
    weeteblog says:
    December 4, 2017 at 9:41 am

    Oh its ironic that the one team in the NFL that is notorious for cheating would have fans complaining about another team’s cheating…….only Patriots fans!
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    A few dimwits still subscribe to the “cheating” nonsense….that’s doesn’t make it “notorious”. Science already showed those that can understand science at a 7t grade level that the footballs dropped PSI due to cold & rain. The coach did misinterpret a memo over 10 years ago but only a few crybabies still try to call that “cheating”. All of the other tin-foil hat allegations were found to be false. Some people never seem to get the updates to news after initial headlines.

    May I suggest a more fitting screen name for this tin hat poster….how about Alternate Factspurveyor ….sounds appropriate. The issue at hand is not about cheating….it’s about a cheap shot by Gronk…..that’s a fact tinha-te boy.

  102. Nofoolnodrool says:
    December 4, 2017 at 10:20 am

    What Gronk did wAs uncalled for and he should be suspended for 2 games, no more. I say 2’games, not because I’m supposedly jealous but because this league claims to want to protect players.

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    don’t forget the part about being a Steelers fan

  103. I’ve been waiting for this supposed “karma” from Pittsburgh for years. The problem is, it never rings the doorbell.

    Someone forgot to tell karma I guess.

  104. spotlightonthenews says:
    December 4, 2017 at 10:29 am

    One game? It’s terrible and yet you recommend only 1 game suspension? How about suspension till next August?
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    How about providing one example of where another player received a similar punishment for unnessary contact that occurred prior to the whistle?

  105. dabillshateme says:
    December 4, 2017 at 10:22 am
    nbptma1 says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:58 am
    None of this would have happened had everyone been playing under the same set of rules.

    While I don’t condone what Gronk did, there are rules for ‘most’ players, and then there are a different set of rules for Gronkowski. Those ‘Gronkowski rules’ allow for him being blatantly ‘held’ and allows for ‘phantom’ offensive pass interference calls that just aren’t there.

    Dude – you are out of your mind! Gronk gets away with offensive PI multiple times a game. It was a miracle that they actually called it for a change. Take the blinders off.

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    BALONEY. He’s afraid to do anything in fear of constant flags!

    He’s done a great job adjusting and they still call phantom Off PI on the guy like yesterday.

    NE was up 9-3 and looking to steamroll dowwn the field to a TD to blow them out, and voila, here come the programmed/ordered flags by Goodell.

    Been going on for years and years.

    it started in 2011, off the Lockout meetings, where it was clear there were “special” meetings to emphasize certain penalty “opportunities” like PI or Holding, etc, where no one can really challenge the refs due to the subjective nature of the calls.

    Goodell is infamous for moving the goal posts and he doesn’t do it at this rate to any other NFL team.

    I watch plenty of football to know this. I can make a list of absolutely horrendous calls just at the right time for the opponent to keep the game close, and/or allow them seize momentum, change the course of the game, and sometimes win, after being dominated the entire time.

    I repeat: This, in no way shape or form something that ANY other NFL team deals with every week. It’s VERY rare Pats fans see a cleanly called game, without any eye rolls in the room, where the Pats have a big lead, and you just wait for the calls to come for Goodell to try to maximize his precious ratings.

  106. terripet says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:56 am
    Should get 3 game suspension he was trying to hurt the guy

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    First time offense and if you are going to use intent to injure as the metric here, he should get one game. The league set the bar when they only fined Talib one game for jamming his finger in Dwayne Allen’s eye when they were just standing around after the play was over. If that wasn’t intent to injure, I don’t know what is.

  107. AJ Green’s actions were much worse and he got a fine. That said, Gronk should take his medicine and just rest up for playoffs. Dumb play, not usually his style.

  108. Nofoolnodrool says:
    December 4, 2017 at 10:32 am
    factpurveyor | Dec 4, 2017, 10:17 AM EST
    weeteblog says:
    December 4, 2017 at 9:41 am

    Oh its ironic that the one team in the NFL that is notorious for cheating would have fans complaining about another team’s cheating…….only Patriots fans!
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    A few dimwits still subscribe to the “cheating” nonsense….that’s doesn’t make it “notorious”. Science already showed those that can understand science at a 7t grade level that the footballs dropped PSI due to cold & rain. The coach did misinterpret a memo over 10 years ago but only a few crybabies still try to call that “cheating”. All of the other tin-foil hat allegations were found to be false. Some people never seem to get the updates to news after initial headlines.

    May I suggest a more fitting screen name for this tin hat poster….how about Alternate Factspurveyor ….sounds appropriate. The issue at hand is not about cheating….it’s about a cheap shot by Gronk…..that’s a fact tinha-te boy

    Funny. Funny that Scats fans only bring up ONE instance. PSI. They conveniently omit the myriad of other cheating scandals surrounding their team. Hmmm.

  109. A fine would be a fair punishment. A one game suspension is the most that is warranted. Probably helps the Patriots superbowl chances. One less game for gronk to get injured prior to the playoffs. Gronk will be rested for the playoffs. Gronk probably misses out on meeting some stats and the Patriots save a bunch of money from not paying incentives. Brady is forced to use other TE’s and receivers helping them get more experience just in time for the playoffs. Patriot haters never win.

  110. patfanken says:
    December 4, 2017 at 10:28 am
    Funny to watch the whiney Steeler fans pile on for the 2 game suspension. What a laugh. Even THEY know that it is the only chance they have to win that game is for the Pats to be Gronkless, Hoganless, and Edelmanless.

    BTW- He does deserve a one game suspension.

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    Yep. Their only hope is to use Goodell to cheat.

  111. 345snarkavenue | Dec 4, 2017, 10:33 AM EST
    Nofoolnodrool says:
    December 4, 2017 at 10:20 am

    What Gronk did wAs uncalled for and he should be suspended for 2 games, no more. I say 2’games, not because I’m supposedly jealous but because this league claims to want to protect players.

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    don’t forget the part about being a Steelers fan

    I think you need to read more carefully. I did not originate but only agreed with him. Listen let’s be very honest with or without Gronk I think the Pat’s will win. Ok so let’s talk about the important thing here is to punish a meathead for,losing his cool and possibly injuring someone for life so your petty snarky homer comment is really out of place here…but expected from your ilk.

  112. He should be suspended for a game. And as for the holding calls, Gronk was definitely being held on that play and they didn’t call it. But by the same token, I’ve seen Gronk push-off quite a bit too (not in this game, but in others). If they haven’t been calling holding or pushing-off all game, then I can see why they’d let that go.

  113. One For The Thumb says:
    December 4, 2017 at 10:41 am
    terripet says:
    December 4, 2017 at 6:56 am
    Should get 3 game suspension he was trying to hurt the guy

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    First time offense and if you are going to use intent to injure as the metric here, he should get one game. The league set the bar when they only fined Talib one game for jamming his finger in Dwayne Allen’s eye when they were just standing around after the play was over. If that wasn’t intent to injure, I don’t know what is.

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    Where was your outrage at TJ Ward for turning himself into a missile, full bore, in 2012, at Gronk’s knee?

    Is that “intent to injure” or were you just happy Gronk was out for the year?

    You phonies are pathetic.

    Will TJ Ward be suspended or is that no one cared at what he did, trying to ruin the guy’s career?

    Hmm?

  114. So as professional for as long as Gronk has been, you guys are blaming the refs for what he did? Are you serious? Gronk is not a 15 year kid. He has the enthusiasm of a 15 year old, the energy of a 15 year old… but he is a 28 year old man and a 7 year vet. No damn excuse… 4 game suspension and a huge fine. He is not a dirty player, but that was way beyond a dirty play.

  115. I was so disappointed by this play. I was watching with my son, 7, a big Pats fan. He has a loose grip on the rules but he knew immediately that was dirty and dangerous. No fan can deny it. The fact that he was held and interfered with on the play are beside the point. It was an absurdly dumb thing to do. The fact that he injured someone while doing it makes it even worse.

    While Gronk tried to “apologize” through the media after the game, there were shots of him smiling and laughing on the bench while the penalties were sorted out. That made me even angrier.

    If I were Belichick, I’d announce a team-imposed one-game suspension today. I’d be okay with the league going to two games here.

  116. 1 Game Suspenion at a minimum but he has whatever it is coming to him. He shouldn’t even appeal. Anyone using the same set of rules excuse to justify this is ignorant. If Tre White was punching him in the balls different story but he was just holding him. Inexcusable disappointed in him because he is a lovable meathead.
    -Pats Fan

  117. 0 0 Rate This
    cwdonald314 says:
    December 4, 2017 at 10:57 am
    Lifetime ban is the only response to the aggregious hit.

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    Laughter is the only response to a homer seeking competative advantage via the disciplinary process.

    Seriously, before anyone wants something like that to be the standard they should look over their own team to see who would be gone then.

  118. RegisHawk says:
    December 4, 2017 at 7:12 am
    Should be suspended for however long White is out due to the concussion, plus one game.

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    A rule that’s L-O-N-G overdue in the NFL.

    If a player is injured by an illegal/flagged play, the offending player should be forced to sit out while the injured player recovers/heals PLUS a suspension of 2 or more games.

    Concussion protocol/broken collar bone, etc. plus [x] games.

  119. As someone who stands to be eliminated from his FF playoffs is Gronk is suspended, I have to say he deserves it.

    First offense or not, that was one of the most blatant cheap shots I have ever seen. You can’t let that go with a fine and pretend to be even slightly serious about player safety.

  120. Gronk lost his cool with the series of bad officiating and made a poor decision. However, he has publicly apologized to #27 for his action. Surely Gronk’s completely clean track record as a clean and fair competitor counts for something. Do not suspend him. This is attracting a lot of media attention because Gronk is such a high profile player.

  121. proudlydeletingtruth says:

    December 4, 2017 at 10:46 am

    Nofoolnodrool says:
    December 4, 2017 at 10:32 am
    factpurveyor | Dec 4, 2017, 10:17 AM EST
    weeteblog says:
    December 4, 2017 at 9:41 am

    Oh its ironic that the one team in the NFL that is notorious for cheating would have fans complaining about another team’s cheating…….only Patriots fans!
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    A few dimwits still subscribe to the “cheating” nonsense….that’s doesn’t make it “notorious”. Science already showed those that can understand science at a 7t grade level that the footballs dropped PSI due to cold & rain. The coach did misinterpret a memo over 10 years ago but only a few crybabies still try to call that “cheating”. All of the other tin-foil hat allegations were found to be false. Some people never seem to get the updates to news after initial headlines.

    May I suggest a more fitting screen name for this tin hat poster….how about Alternate Factspurveyor ….sounds appropriate. The issue at hand is not about cheating….it’s about a cheap shot by Gronk…..that’s a fact tinha-te boy

    Funny. Funny that Scats fans only bring up ONE instance. PSI. They conveniently omit the myriad of other cheating scandals surrounding their team. Hmmm.

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    Funny that you seemed to miss the patriot detractor when he brought “cheating” into the conversation. And then you say that the discussion isn’t about “cheating” and then you go on to double down and mention “cheating” yourself. Even more funny that you use the word “myriad” while failing to provide one example of actual cheating. Sorry but the weather explains the deflation and the camera was a few feet from where a Roger’s interpretation of his memo said the camera could be….everything else was just rumors spread by those making excuses for their own teams losing football games. Don’t worry…you can always resort to making comments about my username….oh wait…you already did that….. you can’t make this stuff up!

  122. I don’t know what the punishment should or will be. I do know Gronk messed up. His coach feels the same way. You just don’t drill a guy laying on the ground.

    The other side of this is officiating. Not specifically about how calls go for Gronk, but how inconsistent games are called every week. And then how punishment is applied after the fact. This is an NFL problem…period.

    Again, Gronk’s move was stupid and selfish and he deserves to pay the price. I suspect his coach and a couple of teammates have already delivered the message.

  123. No amount of bad officiating excuses Gronk’s actions. He deserves whatever punishment he gets. As a Pats fan I don’t want to hear about what Suh, Talib, Burfict, Alonso, etc get away with or how ridiculously bad officiating opens the door. It doesn’t. No number of wrongs make a right, period. While one dirty play doesn’t obviate 9 years of doing it right, 9 years of doing it right doesn’t give free license to that level of self indulgence. In the same vein the league was lucky those two teams are as well coached as they are or there could have been multiple fights in that game, that’s how bad the officiating was but as usual there will be no repercussions for the officiating crew. When the officials are that clueless it’s time to exercise restraint not self indulgence.

  124. sidelinecameraman says:
    December 4, 2017 at 11:06 am

    1 Game Suspenion at a minimum but he has whatever it is coming to him. He shouldn’t even appeal.

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    He should appeal to delay the penalty if that will allow him to avoid missing the Pittsburg game. Players on other teams appeal decisions all the time. Those penalties are usually reduced when the player kisses Goodell’s ring. If you don’t kiss his ring you miss 4 games and the team loses draft picks for what the weather does to footballs. Then the NFL hides the PSI report from the 2015 season so that fans don’t get to see information showing footballs always dropping PSI when its cold outside.

  125. Funny that you seemed to miss the patriot detractor when he brought “cheating” into the conversation. And then you say that the discussion isn’t about “cheating” and then you go on to double down and mention “cheating” yourself. Even more funny that you use the word “myriad” while failing to provide one example of actual cheating. Sorry but the weather explains the deflation and the camera was a few feet from where a Roger’s interpretation of his memo said the camera could be….everything else was just rumors spread by those making excuses for their own teams losing football games. Don’t worry…you can always resort to making comments about my username….oh wait…you already did that….. you can’t make this stuff up!

    AlternateFactsPurveyor where did I use the word myriad? You need to be more careful with you Alternate Facts….”dim Wit”. Glass houses?
    Still this issue is about a boneheaded move by a Patriot player that is a FACT …..so your spin meets Teflon over that fact.

  126. The whining is pointless.

    The League doesn’t care, and the appeals panel doesn’t care about their own either.

    Trevathan got 1 game in the end. Don’t expect more here.

  127. AJ Green’s actions were indisputably worse and he only got a fine. But even though the NFL laughably messed that up (but who is surprised?), Gronk should get a game or two and take his lumps. He is officiated differently than any other tight end in football to his detriment, but that in no way justifies what he did. It was dumb and he’s lucky no one was injured.

  128. Today seems like a great day for the league to release the PSI measurements collected in 2015, yes? 🙂

    I wonder why they haven’t done that yet?

    #IKnowWhy
    #PatriotHaterWontLikeTheAnswer

  129. “No amount of bad officiating excuses Gronk’s actions.”

    Nope. That was a bad play, no excuse for it, and he should be punished.

    “He deserves whatever punishment he gets.”

    Yeah, I’m not willing to go there until I see what it is. If the league were to announce that they’ve suspended him for a year, or even for the remainder of this year, I’d be happy to jump up and down and call that punishment undeserved. One game? Just about right, probably. Two? Given the totality of the circumstances (by which I refer not to yesterday’s officiating, but to the way that the NFL games are played and discipline meted out), I’d consider that excessive. More than two? Preposterous.

  130. Patriots are coached to put their team first and that is why they win.
    This is a case where a player forgot about his coaching in the heat of the moment and acted out in a thoughtless way. Patriots and their fans do not support what gronk did. The bad officiating over the years where players are allowed to mug gronk while gronk is called for phantom OPI was on full display in that game. That is what led gronk to become frustrated. Gronk will be punished and hopefully the refs will stop allowing other teams to hold gronk.

  131. A fan of NE, I loathe this type of stuff. Not typical of Gronk. He apologized and I believe he means it. So did BB.
    I am annoyed that the NFL is so inconsistent in levying fines and suspensions for other’s actions.
    This action warrants a fine. However, NE as a team has been adversely and unfairly penalized by the NFL and should get consideration on that fact…. That is, if they were going to attempt to be fair.

  132. aarons444 says:

    December 4, 2017 at 11:27 am

    The whining is pointless.

    The League doesn’t care, and the appeals panel doesn’t care about their own either.

    Trevathan got 1 game in the end. Don’t expect more here.

    ===========

    AJ Green got ZERO games, just a fine. That was a serious screw up as he didn’t just do one move on the guy (ie Gronk), he continually assaulted him. NFL discipline policies and interpretations are almost intentionally hard to predict.

  133. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    December 4, 2017 at 11:37 am

    Today seems like a great day for the league to release the PSI measurements collected in 2015, yes? 🙂
    I wonder why they haven’t done that yet?
    #IKnowWhy
    #PatriotHaterWontLikeTheAnswer

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    Excellent idea.
    The NFL should not be afraid of the truth.
    Unfortunately the NFL hid the PSI report right after Roger Goodell mentioned how important “integrity” and “transparency” were for the NFL.

  134. It should be one game. Two games, and you’re taking him out of the Pittsburg game, which makes the thing a bigger story, and guarantees Gronk fights the suspension. Gronk would accept a one game without a fight. It just dies.

  135. Patriot fans continue to show their “class” by defending this. Still the worst fan base in sports history.

  136. williamshatnerstoupee says:
    December 4, 2017 at 11:54 am
    Patriot fans continue to show their “class” by defending this. Still the worst fan base in sports history.

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    The worst fanbase in sports history is that of those who root on Goodell’s cheating and encourage it, destroying the NFL as we know it.

    THOSE are the worst fans.

    Nothing worse than liars, hypocrites or phonies in life. You people deserve one another.

  137. raymondmac says:
    December 4, 2017 at 11:42 am
    A fan of NE, I loathe this type of stuff. Not typical of Gronk. He apologized and I believe he means it. So did BB.
    I am annoyed that the NFL is so inconsistent in levying fines and suspensions for other’s actions.
    This action warrants a fine. However, NE as a team has been adversely and unfairly penalized by the NFL and should get consideration on that fact…. That is, if they were going to attempt to be fair.

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    Fair?

    LOL!

    Bobby McCain slams Amendola’s head into the turf just last week and it’s crickets from NFL fans….

    Why? We know why.

    One set of rules for the 31 NFL teams…One SPECIAL SET OF RULES FOR THE PATS.

    Goodell loves to cheat from afar. Been going on for 10 years.

  138. gisellichek says:
    December 4, 2017 at 11:38 am
    Suspend him and fine the crap out of him!!!
    Punk move!

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    Funny, I believe Bobby McCain played on the field yesterday, one week after slamming Amendolas’ head into the ground on my tv screen, after the whistle last week.

    “Why the two orders”? Colonel? If your rules are always followed, why is it necessary to give the two orders?”

  139. If Zeke and Brady sit out four to six without proof of the offenses, Gronk should be out a few for something we all saw and that BB called a b***s*** play.

    Wait, that’s way too logical for the NFL. My bad!

  140. That was a blow outside of the course of play and clearly delivered with intent to injure. That along with the fact that it did cause a concussion should result in a 4-game suspension. He could (and maybe should) be charged with assault. Lots of people get convicted of assault after actions taken in moments of frustration and/or anger.

  141. Sometimes the officials need to be reminded that if they don’t police the game well the players will police it for them. Its a brutal physical and emotional game, it’s their job to keep a lid on it. That doesn’t exonerate Gronk by any means, but the zebras gotta know their role in preventing extra-curricular violence

  142. Very disappointed with the Gronk.

    When the Pats homer, Rodney Harrison says,
    “He deserves to be suspended one game.”
    You just know he is saying that because he knows and
    fears the Gronk should get much more.

    But, nice try Rodney.
    That was as blatant and egregious a foul as it gets.
    Three games minimum and a good size fine.

    Pats fans need to stop making excuses for this.foul
    that even Belichick called BS. Inexcusable.

  143. Moudabo says:
    December 4, 2017 at 1:28 pm
    Very disappointed with the Gronk.

    When the Pats homer, Rodney Harrison says,
    “He deserves to be suspended one game.”
    You just know he is saying that because he knows and
    fears the Gronk should get much more.

    But, nice try Rodney.
    That was as blatant and egregious a foul as it gets.
    Three games minimum and a good size fine.

    Pats fans need to stop making excuses for this.foul
    that even Belichick called BS. Inexcusable.
    ———-

    100% agree, especially on Cheap Shot Rodney.

  144. Should be 2-3 gone for Gronk he had the time to think about it and went ahead and hit him unprotected. The NFL needs to send a strong message. He would be in jail if it wasn’t in a football game

  145. Patriot fans complaining about defensive holding?
    That’s a laugh.
    Remember the Patriots/Colts AFC Championship Game in 2004?
    Pats fans called the Colts a bunch of crybabies when Indy complained about defensive holding.
    Who’s crying now?
    Gotta love the double standard here.

  146. He should be suspended for the reason of the season and playoffs. Absolutely no place for this in sports. Also, he gave him a concussion. A brain injury.

  147. bigblue090 says:

    December 4, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    He should be suspended for the reason of the season and playoffs. Absolutely no place for this in sports. Also, he gave him a concussion. A brain injury.

    =================

    So he’s worse than Vontaze Burfict or Suh? And there is no confirmed concussion yet, so you really shot your credibility in the foot here with your hyperbole. 0/2. He should get a game or two which is fair. Even though it wasn’t nearly as bad as AJ Green’s antics which only got him a fine. League screwed up there.

  148. Gronk has a reputation of pushing off defenders to make catches, and he rarely gets flagged for it.
    If he wants to complain about defensive holding, then he should try not pushing off.

  149. johnnycantread says:

    December 4, 2017 at 3:10 pm

    Gronk has a reputation of pushing off defenders to make catches, and he rarely gets flagged for it.
    If he wants to complain about defensive holding, then he should try not pushing off.

    ======================

    Actually he gets flagged for it more than anyone in the NFL. And he gets interfered with without a flag several times a game. He’s like Shaq, he’s penalized because he’s big.

  150. As a Pat’s fan even I have to admit it’s an egregious act that should be disciplined. However the league set the bar by not suspending AJ Green after his mugging earlier in the season, so how do you raise it now?

  151. Gronk isn’t THAT guy, and he has no history of this. There is however a long history of league-mandated officiating against him because of his abilities. It’s not fair, and it boiled over. That doesn’t make him right, and he got a one-game suspension for it. I think he should accept it and not appeal it, but I don’t know what it does to his contractual situation so I’ll leave that alone. I prefer to see the blister popped by serving the suspension rather than have it follow him like a cloud over his head the rest of the season. I don’t think the contact he made was extreme. I think he missed quite a bit, and I think the player had already experienced his injury. There was no way for Gronk to know he was hurt. He reacted quickly and out of frustration. It was wrong. He’ll pay the penalty, and move on. I highly doubt it’s something you’ll ever see from him again. He’s just not that kind of guy. He’s the guy everybody wants to have a beer with. I’m sure he feels terrible.

  152. jrterrier5 says:
    December 4, 2017 at 9:33 am
    AJ Green wasn’t suspended although he hit another player — after the play was over. OBJ & Norman weren’t suspended after that game a few years ago where they were both hitting each other after the plays were over. Gronk’s hit was wrong; just like every other late hit out of bounds when a player hits another. It wasn’t worse than Green, OBJ or Norman.

    __________________________________________________________________________________________

    Actually it WAS worse. None of the players involved that you mention suffered a concussion as a result of the fight/scuffle and were active participants. Gronk drove his elbow into White’s head causing a double hit – elbow to head, and head to ground – with White defenseless on the ground. And we don’t know the full extent of the damage that White may have received as a result.

    I wonder how many of the people trying to defend/justify this would think the same if this was a High School game and it was your kid in White’s position…??

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