Rob Gronkowski’s one-game suspension upheld after appeal

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Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski will be suspended for Monday night’s game in Miami.

Gronkowski appealed his one-game suspension for a cheap shot at Bills cornerback Tre’Davious White on Sunday, but he lost his appeal.

Former NFL linebacker Derrick Brooks was the appeals officer who heard Gronkowski’s case, and he ruled that the suspension was warranted for the hit, which took place after a play, with White lying face-down on the ground and having no way of knowing a hit was coming.

So the Patriots will have to play one game without Gronkowski, who is probably their second-most important player after Tom Brady. And perhaps next time Gronkowski will think twice before delivering such an unnecessary shot at an unsuspecting opponent.

125 responses to “Rob Gronkowski’s one-game suspension upheld after appeal

  1. Good, It was the right thing to do. I’d like to know from Gronk exactly WHY he bothered to appeal it. I can’t imagine the defense. The only one I can think of would be temporary insanity. Did he appeal because of his agents worrying he won’t make incentives, or was just pro forma for the NFLPA to appeal all suspensions.

  2. Good week for Appeal bodies upholding common sense.

    First the travel ban against citizens of Venezuela, North Korea, Chad, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen and now this suspension being upheld.

  3. Eat it and enjoy it haters. Get all your angry keyboard warrior statements on comparison, fairness, other suspensions, goodell, cheating, deflategate – ready for a long 10 days of copy and paste.

    Gronk will be IN PITT ready to go. And so will the Pats!

  4. So Ju-Ju Smith-Schuster gets a game for a foul committed DURING a play (which btw I’m OK with) but Gronkster and his WWE act gets the same? Just one game too? Really?

    Please chowd’heads, don’t ever whine to us about the “unfair” NFL again.

  5. Thus the NFL retains some, albeit small amount of integrity! Still hard to reconcile Brady getting 4 for air pressure while Gronk gets 1 for a hit that could have paralyzed a player while he’s laying face down on the ground.

    On to Miami!

  6. He should get more games just for the fact that he had the balls to appeal something he knew he was dead wrong doing. This just proves he has no remorse. This is how millions imagine the voice in his head sounds: Gronk do wrong? NO, GRONK NO DO WRONG! Gronk do wrong. Shake head Gronk…

  7. Good, It was the right thing to do. I’d like to know from Gronk exactly WHY he bothered to appeal it. I can’t imagine the defense. The only one I can think of would be temporary insanity. Did he appeal because of his agents worrying he won’t make incentives, or was just pro forma for the NFLPA to appeal all suspens

    Nice to see a logical comment. I think 1 game was about right, 2 fin they wanted to send a steep message but 1 seems fair.
    As far as the appeal, I wonder if it is mandatory or “highly recommended” as per the CBA.. although I can imagine the controversy for defending one player over another… interesting perspective. You’re a pats fan I could actually eat some wings with and have a logical football conversation

  8. Good…now with that out of the way…it would be a good time for Roger Goodell to demonstrate the “integrity” and “transparency” that he pledged not that long ago.

    Now would be a good time for Roger Goodell to finally release the PSI information that the NFL been hiding ever since it was collected during the 2015 NFL season.

  9. Since aj66 mentioned “ integrity”, When is the NFL going to address the lack of integrity regarding the defensive holding that they allow on Gronkowski? Talk about a double standard !
    Gronk may be the second most important player on the Pats according to PFT, so let’s not forget the Pats won # 5 when he was out! Makes that 5th Super Bowl even more impressive than 28-3!

  10. aj66shanghai says:
    December 5, 2017 at 5:41 pm

    Ladies and gents, the “integrity” we hear so much about from Patriots fans
    _______________________________________

    And the lack of it we’ve come to expect from the likes of you. Go take a look at the game threads here, most of us were expecting a suspension.

  11. patfanken says:

    Good, It was the right thing to do. I’d like to know from Gronk exactly WHY he bothered to appeal it. I can’t imagine the defense. The only one I can think of would be temporary insanity. Did he appeal because of his agents worrying he won’t make incentives, or was just pro forma for the NFLPA to appeal all suspensions.

    I think he appealed it because with the suspension he won’t be able to reach all the bonuses and it will cost him ~$2.5M. Too bad he didn’t take that into consideration before he did that. I like Gronk even though I can’t stand most Pats fans because they whine about anything and everything and constantly yap up their team and degrade other teams for the same reasons. I was surprised to see this. He must have lost his mind to do what he did.

    I like the NFL using suspensions to try to curtail this kind of stuff. Sooner or later somebody is going to get seriously and permanently injured if it doesn’t stop.

  12. dualprime says:
    December 5, 2017 at 5:50 pm

    Thus the NFL retains some, albeit small amount of integrity! Still hard to reconcile Brady getting 4 for air pressure while

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    Brady received 4 games because dimwits couldn’t understand that cold weather drops the PSI in footballs. Once the NFL figured it out they decided to double down on stupid and hide the PSI information that was collected during the 2015 NFL season.

  13. Now outlaw that mini-cooper he has strapped to his elbow that he used to bludgeon White.
    If his elbow is “so delicate” what is he doing throwing it around like Rick Flair.

  14. Actually a ban of travel from Chad already backfired. It is not a host country of terrorism. The military of Chad are particularly good at rounding up Al Queda (and other terrorist groups) and protected US forces in surrounding countries,including Niger. After the initial Chad military was withdrawn from Niger in response to the ban an ambush left four US soldiers dead in Niger.

    Normally, I would not post the above to PFT but after reading “good week for Appeal bodies upholding common sense … First the travel ban against citizens of Venezuela, North Korea, Chad, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen and now this suspension being upheld” I thought it needed to be said.

  15. Judging from all these comments people seem personally upset at the PATRIOTS because the NFL is bad at consistency when it comes to punishments. The hit was obviously unjustified, no matter how many bad calls Gronk was pulling (which was a lot). He lost his head in the heat of the moment. Suspension fully warranted. And I 100% believe he would have sat whether suspended or not, Bill has done so for players doing FAR less to hurt the team.

    But the bigger issue for me is inconsistent punishments and inconsistent refereeing.

  16. dualprime says:

    Still hard to reconcile Brady getting 4 for air pressure while Gronk gets 1 for a hit
    ===========================================================

    He got 4 for cheating. And it cost The Deflator his job.

  17. terripet says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:03 pm
    No Brady’ received 4 cause he had the balls deflated and why did Brady smash his cellphone

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    Maybe because when he asked the NFL’s investigator if it was ok to do so they said yes?

  18. Too bad because I didn’t want to hear any excuses after we slap the Pats around Monday night. Phins up!

  19. Makes sense. Gronk was probably a lot closer to 2 gms than just a fine. The kicker is, he’s probably gonna lose at least 2.7 mil in incentives because of his mistake. As for the newest steeler meathead, Juju, as a 1rst offender, probably deserves a reduction to just a fine. This time. As for the coach of the Steelers, ABROWN and his karma…

  20. If you watch that game Gronk took a couple of brutal hits in one of those hits he is seen getting off the turf very woozy. He got off the field but I thought he should have gone into concussion protocol for closer examination. It’s not like Gronk to be nasty and don’t remember him ever taking a cheap shot like that before. So let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and propose he might have been suffering the results of that hit, walking around slightly concussed. We’ll never know because they didn’t check him out. So he got what he deserved and in addition will also not be permitted to practice this entire week. I’m also reading this suspension could cost him millions of salary dollars if with one less game to play he does not meet his pre-agreed to production numbersfor the Pats. Gronk takes a beating in every game he is in but don’t try to paint him as someone who always uses Vontaz Burfict type tactics, like Vontaz Burfict. Gronk doesn’t do that he just throws people off him like rag dolls

  21. Michael E says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:06 pm

    He got 4 for cheating. And it cost The Deflator his job.

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    It’s sad that there can still be individuals that continue to believe that Brady cheated.
    Hopefully they don’t really believe it and they are just trolling Pats fans.

    Considering that the following information has been available for years:
    • Scientists have stated that the weather explains the deflation.
    • Numerous videos are available online where you can watch the PSI drop on PSI gauges when footballs are placed into refrigerators.
    • The NFL continues to keep the PSI information secret even though it was collected during the 2015 season.

  22. New England fans: “How unfair this is. As you can see Gronk clearly tripped or was either dragged to the ground by the arm! He’s a classy player and wise young man like our Aaron Hernandez”

  23. factpurveyor says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:12 pm

    Michael E says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:06 pm
    He got 4 for cheating. And it cost The Deflator his job.

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    It’s sad that there can still be individuals that continue to believe that Brady cheated.
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    @ fact, they don’t believe it. Don’t confuse what they annonymously spout here with what they truly believe and know to be true. No one with the IQ of a turnip actually believes it.

  24. terripet says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:03 pm

    and why did Brady smash his cellphone
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    You answered your own question….”his” it was private property…and he could afford to buy the newest phone. The NFL had no right to ever see that phone…so it was irrelevant.

    The NFL knew that they could market the simplistic concept of someone smashing a phone to dimwits. The NFL already had the 2 team owned phones. Some people are smart enough to understand that you don’t need both phones to see all the messages that were sent between two phones. That’s a second reason that made Brady’s phone irrelevant.

    Brady also provided the league with a printed log of his messages… that’s a third reason that Brady’s phone was irrelevant.

  25. factpurveyor says:
    December 5, 2017 at 5:59 pm
    dualprime says:
    December 5, 2017 at 5:50 pm

    Thus the NFL retains some, albeit small amount of integrity! Still hard to reconcile Brady getting 4 for air pressure while

    ————————————————————-
    Brady received 4 games because dimwits couldn’t understand that cold weather drops the PSI in footballs. Once the NFL figured it out they decided to double down on stupid and hide the PSI information that was collected during the 2015 NFL season.
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    I don’t dispute the NFL screwed up the Brady case at all. My point is, they saw the alleged violation (letting air out of a ball) being a more serious act than a potential paralyzing blow to a player’s head. I like dimwit!! That applies to 4 games versus 1.

  26. I’m actually glad this appeal got slapped down so quickly. You did the crime, now do the time. And don’t make it worse by punishing the team for your stupidity by moving your suspension back a week to the one game on the schedule that has the most implications for playoff seeding.

    Sorry it cost you so much money. Don’t take cheap shots in the paint after the whistle next time.

  27. vancouversportsbro says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:18 pm
    How unfair this is. As you can see Gronk clearly tripped or was either dragged to the ground by the arm! He’s a classy player and wise young man like our Aaron Hernandez
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    You embarass the rest of us with that.

  28. patfanken says:
    December 5, 2017 at 5:43 pm
    Good, It was the right thing to do. I’d like to know from Gronk exactly WHY he bothered to appeal it. I can’t imagine the defense. The only one I can think of would be temporary insanity. Did he appeal because of his agents worrying he won’t make incentives, or was just pro forma for the NFLPA to appeal all suspensions.

    ———-

    He appealed it because he doesn’t want to pay 250,000 dollars and miss a game and miss out on 5.5 million dollars in incentives.

  29. factpurveyor says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:12 pm

    Michael E says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:06 pm
    He got 4 for cheating. And it cost The Deflator his job.

    —————————————————————-
    It’s sad that there can still be individuals that continue to believe that Brady cheated.
    ——————————

    @ fact, they don’t believe it. Don’t confuse what they annonymously spout here with what they truly believe and know to be true. No one with the IQ of a turnip actually believes it.

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    But the ones running lower than a turnip…..

  30. Michael E says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:06 pm

    And it cost The Deflator his job.

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    You can watch “deflator” performing his new job and deflating a football while hiding in a refrigerator belonging to a Steeler fan in a video posted online. Just search the popular online video site for the following title: “DEFLATE GATE & WHY SCIENCE SAYS THE PATRIOTS DID NOT TAMPER WITH FOOTBALLS”

  31. Pats fan here.

    Gronkowski was fortunate to get only one game and despite the perfunctory process of appeal knew this had no chance of being reduced.

  32. actually very happy it was upheld & like most level headed pats fans i hope he learns his lesson .

    1 game for gronk
    1 pound of flesh for the haters to harp on for the next decade .

    Really Really cant wait to see a pissed off well rested Gronk in Pittsburgh 😁 🏈

  33. terripet says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:03 pm
    No Brady’ received 4 cause he had the balls deflated and why did Brady smash his cellphone
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++
    There are just some people that are totally clueless. I’m not even going to bother to explain.

  34. Brady being suspended helped the Patriots win the Super Bowl. He was well rested in in good physical shape due to the extra rest. Let’s hope Gronk has similar benefits. Miami plays physical football and Suh and some of their other players wouldn’t mind chopping down Gronk to hurt the Patriots playoff odds. Might be a blessing in disguise. Thanks Roger.

  35. Let’s be clear: There are no Patriots fans that think that Gronk did the right thing here: we ALL agree that he deserves punishment. Thus the argument that Patriots fans are somehow defending his actions is truly the STRAW MAN argument. Google it: Straw Man argument.

    A game for what he did is about right.

    The issue for many of us, though, is that other players have given, recently, equally awful-looking hits that concussed people, seemingly on purpose. For example, Kiko Alonso taking out Joe Flacco, long after he gave himself up with a slide. Alonso got a fine, no suspension AT ALL. He should have also gotten a game.

    So the unequal punishments for similar offenses is the beef, not that Gronk is being punished. He deserves it.

    With the suspensions of the Steelers and Bengals players, maybe the NFL is going to be consistent from now on. If so, none of us have any issues with the verdict.

  36. nbptma1 says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:20 pm
    No mention of the culpability of the blind refs?
    Had they done their job, this NEVER would have happened.

    —————

    I don’t think anyone should accept that. If the refs had done their job, then Gronk would have had a few more penalties called against him. That’s not an excuse for driving a defenseless players head into the ground after the whistle. Maybe if he yelled at the ref and got an unsportsmanlike penalty, that would have been a reasonable response to the frustration.

  37. Happy the league upheld the suspension, and that’s coming from a Patriots fan. It was deserved, and honestly, he’s lucky it wasn’t 2 or 3 games. I suspect all the comments form the ex-players turned talking-heads regarding Gronk’s general good nature, etc., is held by some of the folks on Park Ave. as well, which is why he wasn’t dinged more than one game in the first place.

    Dumb move by Gronk, but I don’t expect there to be any future issues with him. It’s worth noting as well that in addition to the game check he’ll lose, it also makes it harder for him to hit some of the triggers for bonus $ which were added to his contract this past off season. Missing a game could end up costing him quite a bit.

  38. vancouversportsbro says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:18 pm
    New England fans: “How unfair this is. As you can see Gronk clearly tripped or was either dragged to the ground by the arm! He’s a classy player and wise young man like our Aaron Hernandez”

    ————

    Said no Patriots fan ever.

  39. biggs13 says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:07 pm
    Too bad because I didn’t want to hear any excuses after we slap the Pats around Monday night. Phins up!

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    Cutler will throw at least 2 picks. Maybe 3.

  40. Just watched the video of Gronk’s cheapshot. The big meathead took two steps in a calculated manner to enable him to use his elbow to strike a prone player…..after the whistle and he got one game as did JuJu who hit someone with his shoulder first during a play …they are not the same so those thinking there is consistency from the NFL need to rethink that idea. Also does anyone remember what a dirty player Runyan was?

  41. skawh says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:02 pm
    Forever after known as a DIRTY player.

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    I doubt that, but even if that happened, who cares. So were many of the greatest players in NFL history.

  42. bostonsteve12 says:
    December 5, 2017 at 5:48 pm
    Pats fan here. Fortunate for Gronk and Pats only one game. Bonehead, dirty play, I hope it does not define his career.

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    It’s not like he started yesterday. He’s already defined his career.

  43. exinsidetrader says:
    December 5, 2017 at 5:46 pm
    Good week for Appeal bodies upholding common sense.
    First the travel ban against citizens of Venezuela, North Korea, Chad, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen and now this suspension being upheld

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    And those things are related 0%.

  44. I STILL Can’t believe Gronk did this! He had the AUDACITY to say , he was angry because calls werent going his way?! Are you freaking kidding me! What DOESNT go New England’s way?! Everything goes their way which is why people are suspect of that team. He is a Jockhole who should have received at least a 2 game suspension with a high fine. That hit was sooo dangerous and he had the nerve to appeal. Bye Jockhole Bye.

  45. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    December 5, 2017 at 5:47 pm
    So Ju-Ju Smith-Schuster gets a game for a foul committed DURING a play (which btw I’m OK with) but Gronkster and his WWE act gets the same? Just one game too? Really?
    Please chowd’heads, don’t ever whine to us about the “unfair” NFL again.

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    Come on… talk yourself through that point. Gronk reacted in the moment and did something regretful that he hadn’t done before.

    JuJu intentionally targeted their sworn enemy (and probably the dirtiest player in the league) and tried to knock him out. It was totally premeditated. As was the hit on Brown.

    All that in a game where they were warned by the officials to play clean. Both those teams need to book thrown at them.

  46. Norton coyotes says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    vancouversportsbro says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:18 pm

    How unfair this is. As you can see Gronk clearly tripped or was either dragged to the ground by the arm! He’s a classy player and wise young man like our Aaron Hernandez
    ———————————-
    You embarass the rest of us with that.

    —————————————————————–
    That’s NOT a patriot fan so it has nothing to do with “the rest of us”.

  47. It was a blatant hit out of bounds, player on his belly can’t see what’s coming. Then he gets a forearm to the back of the head, is this WWE or football.He should get 4 gms, But clown Goodell will take care of the Hoodie.

  48. —————————————-
    It’s sad that there can still be individuals that continue to believe that Brady cheated.
    Hopefully they don’t really believe it and they are just trolling Pats fans.

    Considering that the following information has been available for years:
    • Scientists have stated that the weather explains the deflation.
    • Numerous videos are available online where you can watch the PSI drop on PSI gauges when footballs are placed into refrigerators.
    • The NFL continues to keep the PSI information secret even though it was collected during the 2015 season.

    =================================================

    Lol, it’s so obvious Brady cheated. And he lied to.

    The 21 scientists hired by Kraft didn’t test the footballs in the same control environment of a game. Everyone understands that psi decreases in cold weather. The Patriots balls decreased more than normal. The Colts balls decreased like you’d expect.

    Why did Brady lie about knowing McNally and his role
    Why did the deflator take the balls w/o approval.
    How did the deflator pee into a non existent urinal
    Why didn’t Brady or the Patriots fully cooperate
    Why did Brady destroy his phone. His lawyer told him to not the NFL
    Why do Patriot fans deflect the truth

  49. Why did Brady lie about knowing McNally and his role
    Why did the deflator take the balls w/o approval.
    How did the deflator pee into a non existent urinal
    Why didn’t Brady or the Patriots fully cooperate
    Why did Brady destroy his phone. His lawyer told him to not the NFL
    Why do Patriot fans deflect the truth

    ***

    Get those facts from BSPN?

  50. Science contradicts the NFL’s fabricated football deflation story which duped so many gullible fools. Anyone with more than 3 working brain cells understands that the NFL is still keeping the PSI information from the 2015 season secret because science exonerates Tom Brady.

    Denying the science which proves that footballs lose PSI when they get cold and even more if they are also wet. Videos are available online where you can watch it happen.
    Failing to correct the false PSI numbers that were reported for a year while that false information duped everyone.
    Orchestrating and marketing a year long smear campaign using the national media.
    Telling numerous documented lies: “56 deflategate lies” told by the NFL
    Admitting in court that they had no evidence of anyone deflating footballs.
    Telling the judge that Brady did cooperate.
    Having all the text messages but still marketing the broken phone headlines to simpletons.
    The officials let him take the footballs to the field….that’s where they play the games.
    Smart people wipe their phones when they get new ones…more important if you are famous.
    A bathroom without a toilet….patriot haters are silly.
    Hiding the PSI report.
    Why do Patriots haters ignore the truth.

  51. luckyforus says:
    December 5, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    (nothing ’cause he’s not really here)
    _________________________________________

    Remember when you were ‘done with this site’ and Pats fans?
    Good times…good times.

  52. luckyforus says:
    December 5, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    Everyone understands that psi decreases in cold weather. The Patriots balls decreased more than normal. The Colts balls decreased like you’d expect.
    ————————————————————————

    A few problems with how un-scientific the approach The NFL used when comparing The Colts footballs to those of The Patriots:

    • The NFL didn’t consider the fact that the 4 Colts footballs were allowed to warm up indoors while the 11 Patriots footballs were being measured twice.

    • The 4 Colts footballs that were measured were likely the driest of the 12 Colts footballs. Human nature would likely lead a person to select a dry football over a wet football.
    • The footballs belonging to the 2 teams were treated differently during the game. The Colts footballs were being kept dry in a bag for much of the 1st half while the Patriots footballs were getting rained on. Evaporative cooling makes things that are wet get colder. This would make a more significant drop in PSI. Wet footballs would also stay colder longer.

    • It is also known that when leather gets wet it can stretch. Tests have shown that leather footballs can increase in volume up to 3%. This means that the same amount of air is now held in a larger container. That’s another way for PSI to drop in addition to the drop from the lower temperature.

    • The footballs belonging to the 2 teams were treated differently during the game. The NFL didn’t consider the fact that the Colts were the visiting team. This means that their footballs were outside prior to being measured prior to the game. This means that they would have been colder and would not drop in temperature as much and lose as much PSI.

    • So without considering any of these differences and without understanding the IGL and with a conclusion already made the NFL went after the Patriots using the media as a weapon. For some reason the NFL doubled down on stupid and committed to punishing a team for what the weather naturally does to footballs on cold and rainy days. The NFL collected PSI information in games played during the 2015 season but the NFL is still hiding that information because it contradicts the lie that they invested millions convincing gullible dupes to believe.

  53. bullcharger says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:34 pm
    nbptma1 says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:20 pm
    No mention of the culpability of the blind refs?
    Had they done their job, this NEVER would have happened.

    —————

    I don’t think anyone should accept that. If the refs had done their job, then Gronk would have had a few more penalties called against him. That’s not an excuse for driving a defenseless players head into the ground after the whistle. Maybe if he yelled at the ref and got an unsportsmanlike penalty, that would have been a reasonable response to the frustration.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Looking for where I said “it was an excuse”?

  54. ampatsisahypocrite says:

    So Ju-Ju Smith-Schuster gets a game for a foul committed DURING a play (which btw I’m OK with) but Gronkster and his WWE act gets the same? Just one game too? Really?

    Please chowd’heads, don’t ever whine to us about the “unfair” NFL again.

    ——————-

    Gronk has 7+ years of clean football (which I’m sure was stressed at the appeal). He lost his cool, deserves a game. No complaints.

    Ju-Ju Smith-Schuster is in his first year of football.

    That’s how 1 game is consistent.

  55. luckyforus says:

    December 5, 2017 at 7:04 pm

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    The 21 scientists hired by Kraft didn’t test the footballs in the same control environment of a game

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    Kraft didn’t hire the 21 scientists.
    At least 21 professors from universities all over the country sent a brief to the court that stated that the weather explained the deflation. That had nothing to do with Kraft.

    The NFL collected data during outdoor game conditions in the 2015 NFL season…we are still waiting to see that report…anyone with a working brain understands that the NFL wants to hide that report because if that information came out, even those that were duped would then understand that the NFL owes the Patriots 2 draft picks.

  56. The sad this about these comments is that nobody is talking about Tre White, you’re still complaining about PSIs and the Deflator texting his buddy about free shoes
    White is still in concussion protocol. He might miss more games than Gronk because he played hard on that play (the same play where Gronk pushed off too)

  57. was stressed at the appeal). He lost his cool, deserves a game. No complaints.

    Ju-Ju Smith-Schuster is in his first year of football.

    That’s how 1 game is consistent.

    The real difference and let’s be honest was that Ju Ju later a wicked hit in the course of action. I am not going to argue on whether it was a legal hit. I think his taunting was more so the reason for suspension. Gronk was premeditated and with absolute intent to hurt.

  58. Good god…. who really gives a crap about deflategate…..
    Haters like to bait us fans & unfortunately you respond…..
    ANYONE with half a brain stem knows it’s crap….
    Don’t waste your time responding….. it was 2 SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONSHIPS AGO for crying out loud….

    The Pats have been so good for so long it drives all the other fans crazy so their only joy comes from trying to make us feel bad about our DOMINATING FRANCHISE…… just laugh at their anguish like I do & let’s hope Lombardi # 6 is on its way back to Foxborough!!!!
    Go Pats!!!!

  59. Do you think Patriot Hater cried like a little girl after the Greatest Comeback in Sports History – like Brunell did?

    I bet they did. 🙂 Discuss.

  60. For all the low-life pats fans gloating and celebrating because the league gave Gronkowski a slap on the wrist, I hope Suh drops the SAME EXACT CHEAP SHOT ON BRADY. Then let’s here the screams.

  61. Pats fans are so delusional and defensive because everyone other fan knows your legacy is tainted and you can’t proudly wear your Pats uniforms.

    Kiko hit Flacco during a play. Unlike Gronk

    Gronk threw down Sergio Brown several yrs ago well after the whistle. Gronk is no angel

    Trevathan got 2 games reduced to one
    Juju one game

    Gronk launched himself at a player laying face face down well after the play. Pathetic anyone defends this guy

  62. luckyforus says:
    December 5, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    The 21 scientists hired by Kraft didn’t test the footballs in the same control environment of a game. Everyone understands that psi decreases in cold weather. The Patriots balls decreased more than normal. The Colts balls decreased like you’d expect.
    ——————————-

    No one had ever checked the psi level of a football during a game prior to the 2015 AFC Championship Game, so there was no normal. Regardless of that, No one knows the exact psi level that each football started out at, and the discrepancies between the two gauges was enough to throw out the results altogether.

    None of that mattered for the frame job the league pulled on the Patriots though.

  63. I dont know why patriots fans are happy, in 3 weeks a bills player will get revenge on him you guys just better hope it doesn’t take him out for the season or possibly longer.

  64. killbuck0936 says:
    December 5, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    I dont know why patriots fans are happy, in 3 weeks a bills player will get revenge on him you guys just better hope it doesn’t take him out for the season or possibly longer.
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    1 million dollar fine for the Bills
    loss of a first round draft pick for the Bills
    loss of a fourth round draft pick for the Bills
    The Bills best player misses 4 games next season for being generally aware of that evil plan.

  65. killbuck0936 says:
    December 5, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    I dont know why patriots fans are happy, in 3 weeks a bills player will get revenge on him you guys just better hope it doesn’t take him out for the season or possibly longer.
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    In my experience, the Bills talk tough and then lay down like kittens. Same story for 18 years now.

  66. MMack66

    Why did Brady lie and why did both Brady and the Patriots not fully cooperate?

    Oh I get it, the league framed Brady so instead of proving his innocence Brady lies and doesn’t fully cooperate.

  67. It’s also worth pointing out that the Bills players started a fight with then Pats 3rd string QB Jacoby Brissett during pre-game warm-ups last year. So let’s not pretend that somehow Gronkowski is the first guy in this series to do something stupid / over the line that no requires some extra revenge.

    Hell, maybe Gronkowski’s play was revenge for that stuff last time.

  68. luckyforus says:
    December 5, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    Everyone understands that psi decreases in cold weather. The Patriots balls decreased more than normal. The Colts balls decreased like you’d expect.
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    Sure, the 4 Colts balls they tested were less illegal than the 8 they decided not to test. And that doesn’t raise a red flag? Absent Article 46, the NFL’s cse gets laughed out of any court on the planet.

  69. mikeoxwells says:
    December 5, 2017 at 8:42 pm
    For all the low-life pats fans gloating and celebrating because the league gave Gronkowski a slap on the wrist, I hope Suh drops the SAME EXACT CHEAP SHOT ON BRADY. Then let’s here the screams.
    ——-
    Yes, because that’s apples to apples…..sigh….

    I’ve reluctantly read al of these posts and not one Pats fan (don’t be fooled by all of the fake screen name pats fans on all articles) agrees with Gronks actions. Not one. Most everyone also believes he should have the suspension as well. Those that don’t, very few, only argue the inconsistency of the NFLs punishments. Kiko Alonso no suspension. Jalen Ramsey and AJ Green, no suspensions, etc….

  70. One of the worst cowardly hits all year. Wasn’t even a face to face fight, the man was on the ground after a beautiful play. One game is bs. He should be out as long as white is out. In the real world that is a criminal assault. At least Talib and Crabtree had the courage to face each other. Wait till their next matchup there will be retribution by bills. And gronk is made of glass.

  71. bigblue431 says:
    December 6, 2017 at 8:00 am
    One of the worst cowardly hits all year. Wasn’t even a face to face fight, the man was on the ground after a beautiful play. One game is bs. He should be out as long as white is out. In the real world that is a criminal assault. At least Talib and Crabtree had the courage to face each other. Wait till their next matchup there will be retribution by bills. And gronk is made of glass
    ———
    I’m not going to say what Gronk did wasn’t cowardly, it was, and he deserves to be suspended. But saying Talib and Crabtree as a counter argument as ‘manning’ up is pretty funny. Ripping off a necklace and running away hiding behind your O-lineman, hahaha, okay. Or how about AJ Green body slamming Ramsey when Ramsey had his arms straight up in the air? Not once, but twice, then throwing punches. No suspensions.

    I kind of like your argument on suspending a player as long as the player they hurt is out.

  72. The deflator had custody of the Colts balls before the game so any accusation that the Colts altered their balls is not provable. Regardless 4/4 Colts balls were above 12.5 tested by the the one ref and the 3/4 slightly below on the other test was clearly due to the IGL.

    There’s thousands of scientists in the world and Kraft found 21 to give an opinion on something they didn’t test in the same exact control environment as the game. That’s hilarious.

    Why did McNally refer to himself in May as the deflator and threaten to go to ESPN? Shows the scheme was ongoing.

    Why did Brady lie about knowing McNally and his job and why did Brady and the Pats not fully cooperate? Why did Brady destroy the deflategate phone but not the pre deflategate phone he turned over to Wells?

    Wells even admitted that the science was a little inexact. He stated that if it was the science only he may have come to s different conclusion. It was all the circumstantial evidence.

    What’s the odds that the equipment guy who has no authority to deflate or inflate the footballs he safeguards calls himself the deflator? Did the deflator ever find the non existent urinal he supposedly used? What’s the odds that someone takes the balls in the restroom w/o approval and lies about it and then says he used a urinal that didn’t exist?

    Btw congrats on your SB win last year. Was it legit, idk

    And pre congrats on your SB win this year. Belichick is a master and will outcoach all the other coaches.

    It’s too bad one of the goat coaches and qb’s legacies are tainted

  73. Wait till their next matchup there will be retribution by bills.
    —-
    LOL. No there won’t.

    If someone is stupid enough to try anything… once nicely placed chop block by a Patriot player will make sure they’re not playing football for a while. And they know it.

    The only real “revenge” they can get is beating the team. Good luck with that. 🙂

  74. Must be so frustrating to be Patriot Hater 🙂

    Perfectly understandable. It’s no different than the weakling who always gets beat up by the bully and watching the bully steal their girl. Again.

    🙂

  75. Don’t be mad Patriot Hater 🙂 The superior fans of the 5 time World Champion Patriots don’t look down on you cause we are arrogant or anything like that. Not at all.

    We look down on you because we really ARE better than you at everything! 🙂 It really is that simple. It’s not personal.

    What… you want us to LIE and pretend we are not?? I don’t think so. Facts are facts and the truth is truth cupcakes. I only preach facts and truth.

    Cheers!
    🙂

  76. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    December 6, 2017 at 8:51 am
    Must be so frustrating to be Patriot Hater 🙂

    Perfectly understandable. It’s no different than the weakling who always gets beat up by the bully and watching the bully steal their girl. Again.

    ============================================

    Glad you Patriot fans have high moral character comparing yourself to a bully.

    What’s frustrating is seeing pro athletes and organizations display ruthless greed and show poor sportsmanship and be poor role models.

  77. Beane and McDermott are trying to build a culture similar to NE… hey if you can’t beat them join them. For those to say they should take Brady out? Nah, I want no part of intent to injure. As much as I dislike Brady, he’s a person and to wish harm on anyone is a joke.

    Gronk did what he did and it was disgraceful. One game suspension is fair. 2 if the league was looking to make a big statement. Anything more than that, not necessary or even fair..but please stop saying hurt this guy or that guy. I don’t need my team doing that. Maybe if there is a shot to take clean and within the parameters of the game fine. But please nothing cheap.
    And much respect to those pats fans who admit and are ok with the suspension and are disappointed that he did what he did.

  78. Belichick should have been suspended for spygate
    Brady was suspended for premeditated cheating the integrity of the game
    Gronk hit while physically more serious and potentially life altering was not premeditated and in the heat of the moment. I would give him 2 games
    Juju’s hit and lloka’s were in the normal flow of the game but still vicious enough to warrant suspension. I game each but I would tack on an extra game for juju cause he taunted

    Also I wouldn’t oppose and automatic 2 game suspension going forward for any vicious hit in the flow of the game and 4 games if after the play.

    Everyone probably agrees the NFL needs to curb violence and be consistent in suspensions.

  79. luckyforus says:
    December 6, 2017 at 9:00 am
    LyinRogerMustGo says:
    December 6, 2017 at 8:51 am
    Must be so frustrating to be Patriot Hater 🙂

    Perfectly understandable. It’s no different than the weakling who always gets beat up by the bully and watching the bully steal their girl. Again.

    ============================================

    Glad you Patriot fans have high moral character comparing yourself to a bully.

    What’s frustrating is seeing pro athletes and organizations display ruthless greed and show poor sportsmanship and be poor role models.
    ——
    Tee hee 🙂 Yup. So frustrated. And perfectly understandable.

    Just like I said.

    🙂

  80. It was a dirty hit in which he jeopardize another player’s career because he was frustrated. Go hit the ref then you buffoon! Why the appeal? Is he denying that he made the dirty hit? Gronk got no brains

  81. ampatsisahypocrite says:

    December 5, 2017 at 5:47 pm

    So Ju-Ju Smith-Schuster gets a game for a foul committed DURING a play (which btw I’m OK with) but Gronkster and his WWE act gets the same? Just one game too? Really?

    Please chowd’heads, don’t ever whine to us about the “unfair” NFL again.
    ==================

    Of course it’s unfair, the NFL’s discipline protocol is all over the map and is wildly inconsistent. Example 1A is that AJ Green did something worse than Gronk “after the play”, and only got a fine. Gronk was dumb and got what he deserved obviously, but the NFL needs to be more consistent.

  82. 10 min for a football to re-pressurize to its new temp. a little more if wet. pats balls measured immediately..no time to re-pressurize…then more air added…all the while, colt balls re-pressurizing…then no more time after 4 balls measured. Post game measurements of pats balls all above 13.0 psi..how’d that happen….air added while re-pressurizing.

  83. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    December 5, 2017 at 5:47 pm
    So Ju-Ju Smith-Schuster gets a game for a foul committed DURING a play (which btw I’m OK with) but Gronkster and his WWE act gets the same? Just one game too? Really?

    Please chowd’heads, don’t ever whine to us about the “unfair” NFL again.
    ===========================
    What’s funny are the haters trying to find the grey area between two illegal hits. And no, Pats fans will continue to be able to roll out the unfair card. The NFL still has quite a bit of catching up to do. You know it. We all know it.

  84. terripet says:
    December 5, 2017 at 6:03 pm
    No Brady’ received 4 cause he had the balls deflated and why did Brady smash his cellphone
    ======================
    Q: Was it the logo gauge Walt?
    A: Yes.
    Q: But that proves the balls deflated naturally. Are you sure?
    A: Yes.
    Q: Are you really sure?
    A: Well, maybe.
    NFL: Ok you used the non-logo gauge.

    Any questions?

  85. Watch how Gronk runs in place first like a football practice drill.. lmao Before smashing the dude!

  86. luckyforus says:
    December 5, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    MMack66
    Why did Brady lie and why did both Brady and the Patriots not fully cooperate?
    Oh I get it, the league framed Brady so instead of proving his innocence Brady lies and doesn’t fully cooperate.
    ————————–

    There is no record of the starting PSI level of each team’s footballs, so any conclusions made from the halftime PSI levels are completely useless. If the Colts footballs lost air pressure due to the weather, then so did the Patriots footballs, and that should have been the end of it.

    Everything else is just a smokescreen used by the NFL to hide the facts and help them perpetrate the fraud.

  87. Gronk did what he did and it was disgraceful. One game suspension is fair. 2 if the league was looking to make a big statement. Anything more than that, not necessary or even fair..but please stop saying hurt this guy or that guy. I don’t need my team doing that. Maybe if there is a shot to take clean and within the parameters of the game fine. But please nothing cheap.

    ——
    The Bills want “revenge”? I can’t think of a better way to do it from your perspective than defeat us in our house to deny us home field. I expect that game to be no gimme and Bills to go all out to try and do that- and not resort to cheap shots.

    If McDermott is worth his salt as a coach… that’s exactly what he’s telling his guys.

    Good luck.

  88. luckyforus says:
    December 5, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Why did Brady lie and why did both Brady and the Patriots not fully cooperate?
    Oh I get it, the league framed Brady so instead of proving his innocence Brady lies and doesn’t fully cooperate.

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    Only biased Patriot haters believe that Brady lied.
    “Fully cooperating” as defined by the NFL means handing over private property filled with personal information to an organization that already leaked personal information from Brady’s phone logs to the media. You can still find that information online, which were comments about Peyton Manning and Brady not being happy with his swimming pool cover. Patriot hater was sad because he Patriot hater wanted to see Brady’s address book and pictures.

    Only in the alternate reality that must exist inside Patriot haters head are people required to prove that they are innocent. The NFL told the court that they had no
    evidence.

    Speaking of lying….why did the NFL need to tell the “56 Deflategate Lies” ?
    Why hasn’t the NFL released the PSI information from the 2015 season?

  89. luckyforus says:
    December 6, 2017 at 8:42 am

    The deflator had custody of the Colts balls before the game so any accusation that the Colts altered their balls is not provable.

    There’s thousands of scientists in the world and Kraft found 21 to give an opinion on something they didn’t test in the same exact control environment as the game. That’s hilarious.

    It’s too bad one of the goat coaches and qb’s legacies are tainted
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    Science says that the weather altered the Colts footballs and the Patriots footballs…and science will keep saying that until the end of time.

    21 professors from universities all over the country with no connection to Kraft put their professional reputations on the line and submitted a brief to the court with their names on it. Only biased Patriot hater makes up silly nonsense claiming that money changed hands.

    Only those that can’t understand football or reality….believe in nonsense and claim that “legacies are tainted”. That’s just a crutch for those who root for other teams and also watch football without any understanding of the game. That leads them to be biased and confused and to make up nonsense while believing that the boogie man is responsible for who wins football games rather than skill and dedication to excellence and a little luck.

  90. I love reading all these comments.

    So, what I gather is your image of self is somehow improved by cheering for the “right” team. Somehow, a stranger’s accomplishments make you feel superior about yourself because you,… watch, … a lot… and buy gear sometimes? Unbelievable

    LMAO. Get your own life, have your own dreams and then maybe your low self-worth won’t be tied up in another man’s life, who you don’t even know.

  91. luckyforus says:
    December 6, 2017 at 9:13 am

    Brady was suspended for premeditated cheating the integrity of the game

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    Except that….everyone with a working memory can remember when…Roger Goodell told everyone how important “integrity of the game” is and then pledged “transparency” but then decided to hide the PSI report only a few months after using those buzz words.

    Brady was suspended because dimwits couldn’t understand that cold weather drops the PSI in footballs. Once the NFL figured it out they decided to double down on stupid and hide the PSI information that was collected during the 2015 NFL season.

  92. luckyforus says:
    December 6, 2017 at 8:42 am

    The deflator had custody of the Colts balls before the game so any accusation that the Colts altered their balls is not provable.

    There’s thousands of scientists in the world and Kraft found 21 to give an opinion on something they didn’t test in the same exact control environment as the game. That’s hilarious.
    ==================
    The fact remains the deflator didn’t have the Colts balls yet they were still under inflated. Which means you need science to prove the Patriots balls were deflated more than what could be done naturally. To do that you 1) need to account for the p-value 2) don’t change the recollection of what gauge was used 3) don’t try and reproduce the results using nonidentical gauges and then try to hide that fact 4) intentionally hide clear physical characteristics between the two gauges in an effort to discredit the significance between them 5) understand that the NFL can pin everything to a “destroyed” phone but can’t manage to find a missing gauge for the first time in NFL history.

    And no, the science was debunked by a whole lot more than 21 scientists. Heck a 5th grader did it in less than a day.

  93. mikeoxwells says:
    December 5, 2017 at 8:42 pm
    For all the low-life pats fans gloating and celebrating because the league gave Gronkowski a slap on the wrist, I hope Suh drops the SAME EXACT CHEAP SHOT ON BRADY. Then let’s here the screams.
    ========================
    He should get one game. What’s the issue?

  94. luckyforus says:
    December 5, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    Everyone understands that psi decreases in cold weather. The Patriots balls decreased more than normal. The Colts balls decreased like you’d expect.
    ====================
    No. Everybody most certainly does not understand that. If that was true we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Full stop.

    The fabricated science was used to determine the Patriots balls decreased more than normal. If the NFL took Anderson for his word on what gauge he used the balls decreased the exact same amount as the Colts. Even without that “little” fabrication the science still doesn’t hold up. Have we figured out how the same locker room can be 4 degrees warmer based on the gauge being used yet? Where’s that missing gauge by the way?

  95. Pats fan here – Gronk pulled a cheap shot, he owned it – actually apologized for it, got suspended for it, got some time off in the latter part of the season when it’s really needed.

    The Pats – they threw in their annual stinker, will be p.o.’ed all week, especially #12, Belichik will make things difficult for them, so look for some retribution next weekend.

    You heard it here first.

    OMT – Pats haters – you have GOT to come up with some new material – your old stuff is SO OLD.

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