NFL will discuss allowing two personal fouls to be accepted on one play

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When Steelers wide receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster delivered an illegal block to Bengals linebacker Vontaze Burfict, and then stood over Burfict and taunted him afterward, Pittsburgh was flagged for two penalties. But by rule, only one of those penalties could be enforced — a rule the league will consider changing for next year.

NFL Executive Vice President of Football Operations Troy Vincent said today that the league has discussed changing the rules so that two personal foul penalties could both be accepted, allowing for a 30-yard penalty for egregious acts.

“It has been discussed,” Vincent said. “It’ll be discussed again in February.”

The rule that only one penalty can be enforced on a team on a play makes sense, to a point: If four different offensive linemen false start, it wouldn’t make sense to call four five-yard penalties and march the offense back 20 yards. But the rule that allowed Smith-Schuster to get away with both an illegal hit and taunting — which was considered part of the “continuing action” of the play even though it happened after the play was over — creates a bad precedent where players could figure that if they’re going to get flagged for a personal foul anyway they might as well just go ahead and taunt the guy they hit.

So although 30 yards of penalties would be a harsh punishment, it would make sense: If a player commits two personal fouls on one play, he deserves a harsh punishment.

49 responses to “NFL will discuss allowing two personal fouls to be accepted on one play

  1. Certainly in this case 30 yards should apply , there one one foul committed during the play ( the hit ) then one committed after the play was over ( taunting ) . It makes logical sense to asses them both . ( for the record Steelers fan here )

  2. .
    I’m in favor of it. If only to see the look on Belichick’s face when one of the Patriots gets a 30 yard penalty.
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  3. I don’t want a bunch of flags on every play but in this case I would agree, maybe just related to taunting. If you have a personal foul then taunting apply both penalties. I would not want to see this where there was holding and pass interference and they both applied.

  4. It’s going to get to the point where, like college, targeting will be added as a foul and players getting ejected more often. Until players lose playing time and the money that goes with the lost playing time, just losing yards will not matter to them.

  5. Adding that as a “add on” penalty would be a good thing and maybe it would put an end to all this stupid on the field behavior…..you ding your team 30 yards and no coach is going to put up with that
    It’s football…..not the “dig me” game

  6. then a personal foul should not be offset by a regular penalty either.
    i.e. an illegal hit on the QB should not be offset by a offense holding call….

  7. Given the history of Burfect and the Steelers, a part of me applauded him and I can see the justification from the Steelers point of view, now that being said, he should have been ejected immediately and suspension is warrented.

  8. And this happens how often to be an issue?

    Oh that’s right, it’s 2017 and we’re all looking for issues to voice our opinions about.

  9. How about if a player commits two personal fouls on the same play that player gets ejected?

    On a different note, why is it 1st and 10 after the penalty yardage is assessed to Juju (instead of 1st and 25)? If it were 3rd and 20, a defensive personal foul wouldn’t make it 3rd and 5, it would be an automatic first down.

  10. Steelers didn’t get where they are without plenty of cheap shots of flagrant fouls. Just ask Hines Ward who is probably Schuster’s idol.

  11. You think the NFL will be able to figure out penalties if they have to factor in something else? Two fouls on one play but one is a 15 yard personal foul vs a 5 yard holding penalty. Nobody will know what to do. The games will be 5 hours long. Well that will allow for more beer sales to make up for the fans disgused as empty seats.

  12. And automatic ejection, with minimum one game suspension without pay. That game disgusted me and I quit watching. I wasn’t even upset to find out I missed a walk-off FG. I like clean, mistake-free football, not glorified gang war.

  13. Another pet peeve. Half the distance to the goal line penalties. Move the ball back or forward until you hit the one yard line. If you are at your eight yard line, and commit a personal foul, you get penalized 3.5 yards.

    Ridiculous.

  14. League always stepping in after the fact when it comes to Steelers/Bengals to change rules so that Bengals players can be beat up and concussed, but no pay back come the next game. We are on to them.

  15. I think automatic ejections would be a stronger motivator for curbing this than adding more penalty yards. I may be in the minority, but I don’t want to see teams gaining 30 yards on a penalty. I’d rather see yards picked up by football plays, not more penalties. There are already too many flags thrown every game.

  16. 30% of the field for one penalty is a bit extreme and you can’t eject players either…the NFL already has a lack of talent at a lot of positions so in the end by over penalizing and or ejecting only person that really gets hurt is the fan.

  17. “But the rule that allowed Smith-Schuster to get away with both an illegal hit and taunting — which was considered part of the “continuing action” of the play even though it happened after the play was over…”
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    He “got away” with both of those penalties? They both were called and one was enforced. Also, the taunt was while the ball carrier was still progressing – thus during the play, not after.

  18. “So although 30 yards of penalties would be a harsh punishment, it would make sense: If a player commits two personal fouls on one play, he deserves a harsh punishment.”

    More to the point it would make sense if the goal of penalties is to act as deterrents rather than just as punishments. It is the team that would get the harsh punishment for the players actions and it is the team and not the league that can have the biggest impact on how much playing time a player sees and how he conducts himself when he is out there. It would definitely influence how coaches handle their recidivists.

  19. Kaz says:

    League always stepping in after the fact when it comes to Steelers/Bengals to change rules so that Bengals players can be beat up and concussed, but no pay back come the next game. We are on to them.


    Agreed. Goodell should step up and prevent the harsh abuse
    that the Bengals receive. These purdy cats should be protected.

    They can call it the Bad JuJu rule.

  20. Related is what happened in the Chiefs game with Marcus Peters on the two point conversion. The ref throws a flag for defensive holding, so the Jets are going to get another play at the 1 instead of the 2. Upset with penalty, Peters throws the ref’s flag and gets called for an unsportsmanlike penalty.

    End result, the after-the-play unsportsmanlike was not enforced. If it were, it would have just moved the ball to the half yard line.

    I’ve seen this before, and it’s almost like the player is getting a free flag here. Yes, he got the “yellow card”, but I’m thinking that foul should have been enforced after the kickoff, regardless of the outcome of the two-point play to follow.

  21. how about any time there are two penalties the second, or third penalty will just be an extra five yards. So two personal foul penalties… 20 yards. 2 holding penalties… 15 yards.

  22. The real change needs to do away with the half the distance rule.

    If a team is first and 10 on the one yard line and commits a 10 yard penalty, it should be first and 20 at the one yard line.

  23. I don’t know that allowing 2 personal fouls to be accepted, thereby moving the ball 30 yards on one play is my preference. I would however be ok with having a rule that says if one player is flagged for 2 personal fouls on the same play, he is automatically ejected.

  24. Moudabo says:

    December 6, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    Kaz says:

    League always stepping in after the fact when it comes to Steelers/Bengals to change rules so that Bengals players can be beat up and concussed, but no pay back come the next game. We are on to them.


    Agreed. Goodell should step up and prevent the harsh abuse
    that the Bengals receive. These purdy cats should be protected.

    They can call it the Bad JuJu rule.

    Nah, they should let it ride. No doubt Burfict will have his revenge, but we all know the league will probably suspend him so he misses the Steelers game to save JuJu.

  25. Lol league is always changing rules AFTER the Steelers beat the Bengals. The poor Bengals never benefit.

  26. Ironic that the Steelers benefited from both sodes of the current rule.

    During the infamous wild card game they got the personal foul for the hot against brown then the dead ball foul for pacman doing his thing.

    This game juju only gets the one foul enforced as a live ball foul which meant:

    It was a spot foul and the down didnt count so it was 2nd and 16 rather then either 2nd and 25 (since they gave the steelers Bell’s 9 yards) or 3rd and 16.

  27. Then they should also just enforce all personal fouls. Gronk didn’t even get 15 yards for his hit this past Sunday, because there were offsetting personal fouls away from the play. Two personal fouls on one team and one personal foul on the other should result in 15yds being walked off against the team with two. Not offsetting as was called.

    And this doesn’t even take into account the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that was enforced on the play against the Bills. So the Pats got nothing from Gronk’s hit, but the Bills got 15 yds against them because Jerry Hughes said something to a referee from 20 yards away after the play was dead.

  28. Where were all these new rules when Burfict was going around putting down Steelers players left and right the last two previous years?

  29. ajigel says:

    December 6, 2017 at 2:44 pm

    Steelers/Bengals games – the leading reason for rule changes over the last 3+ years
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    Yep. And EVERY rule change as a result of those games was because of something a Steeler did.

  30. I hate hen its 3rd and 30, and there is a 5 yard penalty but its an automatic 1st down. Talk about bailing out an offense. Or how about the offense is on the 5 yard line, and they get a holding or personal foul and its half the distance to the goal, yet if the defense gets the same penalty the ball is now 10-15 yards further down field? Why wouldn’t the offense hold or commit a personal foul, even if they don’t away with it they only lose 2 1/2 yards. I hate offsetting penalties more than I do their being multiple penalties on the same team during a play.

  31. A: Two personal fouls on one play by two different players……enforce both
    B: Two personal fouls by one player in a game…..automatic ejection, forfeiture of game check
    C: two personal fouls by one player on one play…..Automatic ejection, 30 yards, suspended one game, forfeiture of two game checks.
    D: personal fouls inside the 20…enforce the full 15 yards, if possible, otherwise, place the ball at the 2 inch line.
    E: personal fouls deemed “egregious” or “intentional” would result in ejection and forfeiture of game check.
    F: any player ejected for any reason forfeits game check

    That would be simple and plain spoken rule with no room for misunderstanding. It would remove the refs from the equation and guarantee equal application of the rules, in this case.

    However, the NFLPA would fight it tooth and nail and, by the time the NFL got finished writing it, it would be 40 pages long and impossible to understand except by law professors.

  32. Maybe just like coaches are only allowed a specific # of challenges per game, we should mandate that the refs are only allowed a specific # of penalties per game. The phantom PI and holding calls are making the game almost unwatchable.

  33. It’s about time they address all the negative things the stealers do in all the games they play….. now maybe the league will look at how the refs always seem to be wearing stealers jerseys when they call these games.

  34. It also sucked that on the extra point attempt in the Jets/Chiefs game, that the Chiefs got a holding call, and an unsportsmanlike call on the same play, yet only lost 1 yard. There was no “in game” consequence for Peters throwing the flag in the stands.

  35. It was simply stupid thinking not to have allowed double penalties of this type to have been enforced in the first place.

  36. The steeled do such vulgar crap for so Michael if the game the refs can only call so much of it. It’s really really disgusting to watch. I feel a team somehow gets a great legal hit on one of their players you will see two Steelers comeback back with dirty hits in the next drive. The way the refs protect them is like incompetent wwe wrestling officials who just so happen to get knocked out at the most critical part of the match and wake up just in time for the villain to get the pin.

  37. I’m not really bothered about getting 2 penalties on one play; I’d be happy just to see one Steeler one-time get suspended for dangerous head-shots.

    We saw The Steelers put 3 dirty hits on The Browns on opening day; nothing done, no suspensions. We saw TJ Watt head-shot Hundley in the GB game; no suspension.

    I’m sick of the obvious bias the NFL shows towards and against certain teams; and sick of continually seeing Bengals laid out flat on the turf with concussions, with no resultant suspensions.

    Now Shazier; of all people; is in hospital as a result of his head-shot toward Malone. No irony there then. Karma baby……..

  38. While you’re at it, can you get rid of the replay the down AND enforcing the penalty at the spot of the foul? For example, a running back gains 15 yards on a play and there is a hold somewhere between the line of scrimmage and where the runner is down. You are rooting for the other team and cheering when the ref says holding offense replay first down then you see the down and distance on the tv before the next play and it is something like 1st and 6. WTF?!

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