Browns fire Sashi Brown

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The Sashi Brown era in Cleveland is over.

Brown, who ran Cleveland’s personnel department the last two years, was fired this morning, according to ESPN.

The timing of the move comes as a surprise, but a front office shakeup was to be expected. The Browns have been the worst team in the NFL each of the last two seasons, and Brown decided to trade down rather than draft franchise quarterbacks Carson Wentz and Deshaun Watson. Moves like that are guaranteed to cost a G.M. his job.

Now the question is where Browns owner Jimmy Haslam goes from here. The one thing Brown did well was acquire a lot of future draft picks, including two first-round picks and three second-round picks in 2018. So a good G.M. candidate may be eager to jump in and take over the Browns, thinking he can quickly turn things around with all that draft capital.

On the other hand, the Browns have been such a mess for so long that some G.M. candidates may not be interested in working in Cleveland. After so many mistakes, Haslam has to make the right decision this time.

85 responses to “Browns fire Sashi Brown

  1. This guy WAS NOT qualified to do his job.

    The hiring of boston born new england patriots fans
    for AFC general managers is an insidious proposition.

    The hiring of sashi brown and ex-Jets g.m. mike tannebaum (current Miami Dolphins executive of football operations) are dangerous conflict of interests.

    They can’t be trusted.
    Just look at their records.

  2. Wentz and Watson would have had far less success had they ended up on the Browns. I’m not sure even Brady would have survived going there. The only hope is to tear the organization down to it’s studs and rebuild again. If they aint at rock bottom now it don’t know what rock bottom is.

  3. I almost feel bad for the Browns at this point…
    They need to get off this path of self destructiveness.

  4. Getting rid of a symptom does not rid the disease.

    In this long run of futility, there has been one constant. I’m sure you can figure it out.

    Until that changes, they will continue to be the Frowns.

  5. As a Browns fan, I am happy for this. No offense to Sashi and his program, which I do credit with getting all those picks, we all know that winning has to combine picks, being able to pick (which they could not and wouldn’t listen to the people calling the plays), and some veteran talent (of which we have little to none). You can’t build a team by just acquiring picks. Eventually people are going to want to see those teams produce. Unfortunately what I saw from him and his approach was 5 years from now we’d be recycling out our first picks in favor of new young picks, never putting together a competitive team.

    On the other hand, if a GM doesn’t want to come to Cleveland, I don’t want them anyway. Great leaders and GMs would love to have all those picks and the challenge of taking a 20 year losing franchise to prominence again. Only losers back a sure thing. Some of us like that kind of thing on our resume. You get to write your own ticket. Just demand control so that all accountability is on you. Then the brain trust can’t blame it on the franchise.

  6. wib22 says:
    December 7, 2017 at 10:37 am
    But yeah, keep hue when he goes 1-31 or 2-30.

    Makes total sense.

    When you get zero say over who you get to coach, and have every attempt at influencing draft and FA to get people you actually can coach, yeah, it does make total sense. Hue has made his mistakes but he is working with who he’s got, and he doesn’t have the best players on that team. Some raw talent but nowhere near a comprehensive roster. That’s Sashi’s fault and his fault alone.

  7. Maybe somewhere down the line Sashi can be remembered as the guy who stockpiled all the picks that turned the franchise around. But that’s only going to happen if his replacement is a guy who actually uses the picks on the right players.

  8. Whoever the Browns hire as their new personnel director, the person had better be able to capitalize on all those draft picks and make some shrewd decisions about players. Even then, things aren’t going to turn around with Hue Jackson at the helm. He’s been there for two years and the team has shown absolutely zero progress. (Admittedly, Vince Lombardi probably couldn’t win with that sorry bunch of players.) Overall, and with a few exceptions like Myles Garrett and Joe Thomas, their players are simply not NFL caliber. It will be interesting to see if Josh Gordon can keep himself sober and clean. Those are some bright spots, but most of the roster is pretty dismal. The Browns need big-time help at running back, the O-line, QB, linebacker, and in the secondary before they can start to win. You don’t win if you don’t have good players and a good coaching staff. It’s that simple.

  9. When you get zero say over who you get to coach, and have every attempt at influencing draft and FA to get people you actually can coach, yeah, it does make total sense. Hue has made his mistakes but he is working with who he’s got, and he doesn’t have the best players on that team. Some raw talent but nowhere near a comprehensive roster. That’s Sashi’s fault and his fault alone.

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    That’s fine and I agree with letting sashi go, but the optics of keeping a coach that went 2-30 or 1-31 and 0-16 isn’t great especially when word has leaked that he wanted AJ mcarron badly.

  10. What would the Browns look like with Carson Wentz at QB?

    I have to think this is what lead to this particular firing.

  11. Trust the process?

    hailtothenamechange says:
    December 7, 2017 at 10:48 am
    Maybe somewhere down the line Sashi can be remembered as the guy who stockpiled all the picks that turned the franchise around. But that’s only going to happen if his replacement is a guy who actually uses the picks on the right players.

  12. Two interesting nuggets from the team statement:

    “Hue Jackson will remain our coach and will return for the 2018 season.”

    “Transitioning to someone with strong experience and success in drafting and building consistently winning football teams is critical to the future of the Cleveland Browns.”

  13. Sell the team to Jerry Jones. If he can make them just meciocre like he did with the Cowboys, it’s an imprivement.

  14. Great, but you still have DePodesta there to maximize Haslams profits by undercutting the salary cap. Require Hue to hire an OC if he is allowed to stay.

  15. reddzen says:
    December 7, 2017 at 10:47 am

    wib22 says:
    December 7, 2017 at 10:37 am
    But yeah, keep hue when he goes 1-31 or 2-30.

    Makes total sense.

    When you get zero say over who you get to coach, and have every attempt at influencing draft and FA to get people you actually can coach, yeah, it does make total sense. Hue has made his mistakes but he is working with who he’s got, and he doesn’t have the best players on that team. Some raw talent but nowhere near a comprehensive roster. That’s Sashi’s fault and his fault alone.

    Hue has alot of shills that rewrite history. Hue got two QBs he wanted. RG me “the earth moved” and Kessler “trust me”. When it didn’t turn out as well as he boasted, his buddies rewrote history. Hue had input but not the final say. That’s the way the Browns set it up so they would avoid the Pettine/Farmer pointing fingers at each other.

  16. Big Ant TV says:
    December 7, 2017 at 10:37 am

    yesss bye sashi now fire depodesta and get hue a OC

    Just fire Hue and get a real head coach. Alot of talk but an utter failure. While you are at it replace Opara and Vega. Being with the Browns since 2005/2006 should disqualify them as being talent evaluaters.

  17. Maybe this will work…. but I remember hearing about what a stellar front office they were putting together 2 years ago… the process hasn’t worked and it’s not just this guy. If they were just a qb away from being a good or decent team, we wouldn’t be looking at the record we are looking at. They would be were Buffalo is year after year. Never good enough for the playoffs but never good enough to challenge for a top pick…
    They may get someone really good for GM but at that point things may still need to be blown up..

  18. BelgiumHawk says:
    December 7, 2017 at 10:41 am
    If they fire the coach Cleveland could be a very interesting team next year. They have talent they just need an environment to work in.

    ********************************************************************************************

    Wonder how many people have made this exact statement over the past 15-20 years about the Browns.

  19. Scot McCloughan might make sense as a replacement. He has somewhat limited avenues back into the NFL and the Browns have somewhat limited ability to draw candidates. McCloughan also is known as a draft wiz and the Browns have a lot of draft picks. Two important matches there. If I was a Browns fan I’d be thrilled to land McCloughan.

  20. doctorrustbelt says:
    December 7, 2017 at 10:40 am

    The hiring of boston born new england patriots fans
    for AFC general managers is an insidious proposition.
    ———————————————————————————————————————-
    I give you a credit for a fresh new take on Cleveland’s issues. A bizarre and paranoid one, but fresh.

  21. exinsidetrader says:
    December 7, 2017 at 10:42 am

    Hire Bill Parcells — he has proven an ability to turn around garbage teams fast to make them decent.

    Isn’t Parcells like 100 year old now?

  22. This paves the way for Peyton Manning to take over the executive G.M. role of the team. Sashi had a contract stipulation that no one could hold a high, authoritative position over him. In order to make room for Peyton, Sashi had to go. And, he was awful at getting the right personnel that Hue requested to work in his scheme. Here’s to better days ahead!!

  23. So… Carson Wentz and DeShaun Watson would have turned a team with no offensive line and no quality wide receivers into Super Bowl champions?!?

    Get real.

  24. Sashi was not bad at drafting but was downright terrible when it came to free agency which is the main reason the Browns regressed. Way too many good veteran players were allowed to walk in free agency. This is the team that let pro bowlers go on a team that needed talent then expected untested rookies to take on the work load 30 seconds after graduation.

    Didn’t help that Hugh probably felt he was being sabotaged with them cutting Joe Haden with 0 notice to him and screwing up trading for his QB from the Bengals.

  25. Browns, do you want to acquire more picks (7th) and not get talent?

    hire Baalke, he is available.

    Oh, and he gets along fine with his HC. Just ask Jackson, who he didn’t want to hire.

  26. factschecker says:
    December 7, 2017 at 10:59 am

    What would the Browns look like with Carson Wentz at QB?
    ————————

    Probably about the same.

  27. hailtothenamechange says:
    December 7, 2017 at 11:28 am

    If I was a Browns fan I’d be thrilled to land McCloughan.
    ———————-

    At the least, they would always have a drinking buddy.

  28. Hire Scot Mccloughan for the GM job. He did a good job for the 4Skins. If Scot can work for Snyder, Haslam won’t be a problem for him at all.

    Go Browns 2020!

  29. It wouldn’t surprise me that the Giants firing Reese probably pushed it to be sooner. They might have been scared that the pool of candidates to choose from might dwindle before they can even get started. Or maybe they want Reese.

    In the end Sashi Brown wanted five years from the most impatient NFL owner, stripped the team of most of its talent through cuts and decisions not to re-sign, passed on talent at the most important position multiple times for more picks, sat on cap space, wasted picks they had, screwed up potential trades, and produced 1 win in almost two years.

    Yep, it went down just about how I expected. There was no first mover advantage in a league that already uses analytics.

    Even when he had first mover advantage in baseball, Paul DePodesta never won anything with it. Just a few playoff appearances where they bowed out in the first round every time.

    Once again the smartest men in the room have shown they were anything but. DePodesta needs to go too. If he stays, they need a GM that is going to do his own thing, and only use DePodesta as a contrarian voice.

  30. I’m so glad Haslam isn’t my team’s owner.

    It was my understanding that the entire organization agreed on the whole “moneyball” approach with a five-year plan in mind, and they all KNEW the first couple years were going to be bad. But now that it turns out they were right and the first two years have been terrible…NOW Haslam wants to make a change?

    Most people knew It was a terrible idea to start with, and the it was doomed for failure from the very beginning. But Haslam agreed to it and signed on. Blowing everything up right before the payoff period simply underscores the organization’s dysfunction and Haslam’s lack of leadership and vision for his franchise.

  31. Should have built Modell a new stadium. Team would not have left, still have Bilichick as coach, and Ozzie and DeCosta in the personnel department. Many superbowls would have been won. Money for Indians stadium, the arena for the Cavs, money for rock and roll museum but none for the Browns.

  32. factschecker says:
    December 7, 2017 at 10:59 am

    What would the Browns look like with Carson Wentz at QB?

    I have to think this is what lead to this particular firing.
    ———————

    Well, then they need to get rid of Paul DePodesta as well.

    He went on a radio station, WKNR-850 and said this.

    “Even though you have a desperate need for one, you have to resist the temptation of taking that guy just because you have a need if you don’t believe he’s one of those 20 guys at the end of the day,”

    Well. Obviously they also thought about Watson as well. Also since they had the #1 pick, they also passed on Trubisky and Mahomes (which in a year or two might make them look stupider if either pans out).

    What they DID decide on, was to draft Cody Kessler in the 3rd round in 2016. A guy most had in the 6th-7th round. Of course many out there were interested in a guy by the name of Dak Prescott, who was thought to be anywhere between the 2nd-5th round. So yes, they chose Kessler two full rounds before Prescott.

    They also had Josh McCown and kept trying to start everyone over him. While McCown isn’t great, he is serviceable, and has done some good things while in the league. Jets at 5-7 is a lot better then 0-12 and has 18 TD’s to 8 INT’s.

    He also had a great stint with the Bears in 2013, going 13 TD’s to 1 INT coming in for an injured Cutler.

  33. The day he came home and announced he had gotten that GM job must have been totally surreal. I imagine all his friends and family thought it was some sort of joke because how do you get a job so totally unrelated to anything you’ve done before? It’d be like you leaving one morning to do your filing job at the hospital and coming home the chief of surgery.

  34. I’m going to scream if they promote Ryan Grigson, their current Senior Personnel Executive, to GM.

  35. To the people that suggested McCloughan and Gettelman, thumps up. The Browns do need to give the next guy more than 2 years. Took 10 to run it into the ground, and have been there for 20 yrs.

    Hue was underrated in Oakland, not sure why he’s making Butch Davis look like Hoodie by comparison.

  36. Sooo we’re just calling a guy who has played 7 career games (and has a losing record) a franchise quarterback now? Interesting.

  37. We’ve seen Hue Jackson have success when he’s had talent to coach. His year in Oakland was okay and probably could have stayed if they didn’t get a new GM AND he didn’t go popping off about how much say he was gonna have in GM McKenzie doing his job. Bring in a REAL GM, give the guy some talent to work with and I believe he WILL get them in the right direction.

  38. I’m not a Browns fan, but as a follower of another crap team…I don’t get it. The Browns intentionally tore their team apart to rebuild and they got a ton of draft picks. They failed to get a good QB the last couple years…but they’re upset that they’re in line for the first pick in the draft and can actually take the QB of their choice? Did anyone expect them to be good this year? If you’re not going to be good, you may as well get a good pick. I’d much rather be the Browns right now than the Bills.

  39. So here’s a thought outside the box….
    What if they offered both first rounders, a second rounder, and next year’s first to the Patriots in exchange for Belichick? I know he was there before, but he is an entirely different coach than he was previously. McDaniels/Patricia can take over the Pats with a ton of draft capital to work with.

    Brady may be able to play for another year or two, but eventually that run is going to end, and they have no one in the pipeline at QB. Gronk’s back is eventually going to end his career, and sooner or later, they will fall back to the pack as far as record and talent level.

    The Browns need a change of culture like nobody’s business. They have a ton of young players, many of whom are pretty talented, and will be able to get the most out of them with a coach like BB.
    The Pats get to start their post-Brady rebuild right away, and Belichick gets to take over a different team to bring them to the forefront of the NFL. Could work out well for all parties involved.

  40. “So here’s a thought outside the box….
    What if they offered both first rounders, a second rounder, and next year’s first to the Patriots in exchange for Belichick? I know he was there before, but he is an entirely different coach than he was previously. McDaniels/Patricia can take over the Pats with a ton of draft capital to work with.

    Brady may be able to play for another year or two, but eventually that run is going to end, and they have no one in the pipeline at QB. Gronk’s back is eventually going to end his career, and sooner or later, they will fall back to the pack as far as record and talent level.”

    Soooo….you’re implying Belichick is god’s gift since they’re supposed to give up 3 first round picks along with a second…and your reasoning for the Pats to do it is because Brady is retiring soon and have no QB lined up after. So which is it? Is Belichick is god’s gift, in which case what does it matter if Brady is retiring, or if Brady is the bigger reason for all the success (he is, btw) then why the hell give up the world for Belichick without a Brady?

  41. Should have built Modell a new stadium. Team would not have left, still have Bilichick as coach, and Ozzie and DeCosta in the personnel department. Many superbowls would have been won. Money for Indians stadium, the arena for the Cavs, money for rock and roll museum but none for the Browns.
    ************************************************************************************************I’ve said this many times before. But it is what it is. No GM will come here if saddled with a coach, especially the losing-est coach in NFL history. And no GM will come here when he not only has to deal with a meddlesome owner, but with a near-neurotic co-owner wife who is as meddlesome as the meddlesome co-owner husband.

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