Colts sent non-players on field to clear snow, violating NFL policy

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Just before Colts kicker Adam Vinatieri lined up for a game-tying extra point on Sunday in Buffalo, the Colts sent some sideline personnel onto the field to attempt to remove snow from the area where the kick would be lined up, and help Vinatieri get better footing. That’s a violation of league rules.

The on-field officials promptly sent the Colts’ personnel off the field, and the NFL told PFT that the officials handled the matter properly.

“Under no circumstances will a Referee permit clearing by the grounds crew, or other team personnel, of a spot for a PAT or field goal attempt. Only players are permitted to clear such spots by hand or foot,” the NFL Game Operations Manual states.

According to the NFL, that’s a Game Operations Policy, not a rule, and so the officials couldn’t have enforced a yardage penalty against the Colts.

The most infamous example of a snow-clearing violation came in New England in 1982, when the Patriots kicked a game-winning field goal to win 3-0 in what is now known as the Snowplow Game.

90 responses to “Colts sent non-players on field to clear snow, violating NFL policy

  1. and the refs cheated Indy out of the win when they called offensive PI for a pick play on the 2 pt conversion. But it happened within a yard of the line of scrimmage so it was legal.

  2. That’s why you saw the refs chasing them off the field…They tried hard to win that game by cheating…Illegal pick plays on their TD and their 2 point conversion try and the snow clearing by non players…At least they tried!

  3. It wasn’t “promptly” – they were out there on the field for several minutes. I saw the refs tell them to get off the field. What the heck was McDermott doing? Another example of a rookie head coach not knowing what’s going on – Marv Levy would have been all over those guys. PS – he still missed

  4. In the Colts defense, Indianapolis has no idea what the NFL rules actually are. They just sort of wing it.

  5. There was no rule against it. The following year, the NFL banned the use of snowplows on the field during the game.

    Also, on that final drive for Miami, Mark Henderson was waiting for the refs to signal to him to clear a path for the Dolphins to kick a field goal — but Don Shula opted to go for it on fourth down instead of attempting the field goal. The Patriots stopped them, and Miami turned it over on downs.

    Shula only remembers what he wants to remember.

  6. And was the snowplow use really a “violation”? I thought the rule banning it came afterward. Even Rozelle agreed it was legal without such a rule.

    Either way it still triggers Shula so it can’t be a bad thing 🙂

  7. I feel like during the infamous game with the Raiders and Patriots that they actually had a machine brush come out and clear the spot. Am I remembering it wrong?

  8. hello3987 says:
    December 12, 2017 at 8:24 am

    So they cheated and still lost.
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    Just like the 2015 AFC Championship Game, when they got caught with footballs below 12.5 PSI. It would have been fun to see the PSI readings of those other 8 footballs that the refs “didn’t have time to measure”. A guy can allegedly let the air out of a bunch of footballs in 90 seconds, but they can’t measure the psi of 24 footballs in 20 minutes?

  9. The Pats were cheating all the way back in’82?

    Haha, I guess a tiger can never change its stripes.

  10. It wasn’t a violation back then, MDS. We get it – you hate the Patriots, but at least make an effort to get your facts straight.

    “Shula recalled protesting the “unfair” act, to which Commissioner Pete Rozelle responded that, while he agreed wholeheartedly, without a rule explicitly barring such use of the plow, there was nothing he could do.”

  11. fofrenchy says:
    December 12, 2017 at 8:26 am
    and the refs cheated Indy out of the win when they called offensive PI for a pick play on the 2 pt conversion. But it happened within a yard of the line of scrimmage so it was legal.
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    It was indeed a legal play and the fact that the flag came out so late makes you wonder what was going on.

  12. this is clearly more of a violation than rolling into the center’s legs repeatedly. lets make sure the colts are punished. but not our man of the year

  13. Colts winning seasons since they were caught with Underinflated footballs the night of the 2014 AFC Championship game:

  14. Gloating…… When Champion loses…..those whom have felt the sting of a loss to said champion….. have a voice louder than others.

    Strange when facts are distorted over time and others used that distortion to rain down on the champions…. when they stumble.

    Linked as they are to the stories of cheating and not playing fair…. But when cameras are removed from a certain place on a field and said Champions go on to post a 18 & 1 record with out them…. and when balls are purposely reflated at half time and said champion goes on the score more points than in the first half…

    Well losers will still look for the lame excuses and try to tear down a champion… and in the end when it is all said and done… the 17 winning seasons back to back… the 7 appearances in the game of all games… with wins in five of those said games… well the rest will all at some point have to look up at the champions… even those who are looking down their noses after a loss last night….

  15. eroschmidt says:
    December 12, 2017 at 8:39 am
    It wasn’t “promptly” – they were out there on the field for several minutes. I saw the refs tell them to get off the field. What the heck was McDermott doing? Another example of a rookie head coach not knowing what’s going on – Marv Levy would have been all over those guys. PS – he still missed
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    Levy was great, and of course is messed. However, McDermott is doing a pretty decent job here (outside of the Petermen vs SD decision, and it may not have been his call either). I don’t think too many people thought this team had a shot at the playoffs at the start of the season. They could easily, easily have a worse record and I think a lot of teams wouldn’t want to play them if they sneak in.

  16. mmack66 says:

    Just like the 2015 AFC Championship Game, when they got caught with footballs below 12.5 PSI. It would have been fun to see the PSI readings of those other 8 footballs that the refs “didn’t have time to measure”. A guy can allegedly let the air out of a bunch of footballs in 90 seconds, but they can’t measure the psi of 24 footballs in 20 minutes?

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    There you go again Pats fans. The facts are that the deflator had control of the Colts footballs before the game. All 4 were above 12.5 on one gauge and 3/4 were slightly below on the other gauge easily explained by the IGL. You argue the Pats balls were explained by the IGL when significantly below 12.5 but when 3/8 measurements are slightly below 12.5 and the fact the deflator had custody of the balls prior to the game you call the Colts cheaters.

    Just stop the nonsense and explain all the circumstantial evidence against the Pats and why Brady lied and neither Brady nor the Pats didn’t fully cooperate.

    Oh wait, you can’t explain it so you preach your haters and super bowl wins and the fact 17/21 scientists that have a connection to a Boston Univ that didn’t test the footballs in the same exact environment of the AFCCG to deflect the truth.

  17. gotitan says:
    December 12, 2017 at 9:21 am
    Pats may have won the snowplow game, but not last night.

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    In this whole run the Patriots have had they have only gone 6-0 in the division twice. 2007 and 2012. Apparently going undefeated in the division is hard. Go figure.

  18. In the game against the Raiders that the Patriots won because of a correct call regarding the tuck rule ? The players on the field cleared the snow and there’s no rule against that. As for the Colts ? All they do is cheat and still they don’t win…..

  19. Soooo…the Colts tried to do something that was a minor violation of game policy but that cannot be flagged as a violation of the rules, and the officials prevented them from doing so?

    I’m sorry, but I’m having a hard time getting worked up over this. Must be a slow news day.

  20. gotitan says:

    December 12, 2017 at 9:21 am

    Pats may have won the snowplow game, but not last night.
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    See above……………….

  21. In this whole run the Patriots have had they have only gone 6-0 in the division twice. 2007 and 2012. Apparently going undefeated in the division is hard. Go figure.
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    But but but… it’s the easiest division in the history of professional sports!1!1!!!111!! 6 guaranteed wins!1!!!!1111!!!

    Now if the argument is thr AFC Beast is the most underrated division in sports… I won’t dispute that.

    😀

  22. luckyforus says:
    December 12, 2017 at 10:11 am
    Pats fans are so desperate to deflect their spygate and deflategate cheating scandals they are comparing this violation to their cheating
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    Poor poor Patriot Hater 🙂 Still so desperate. So in denial. So salty. 🙂

  23. This challenges the integrity of the game, IMO.

    Did they check ball pressure on those? Hopefully the cold air defied physics, otherwise the Colts are in trouble twofold.

  24. As per usual, you guys are two days late reporting this story.
    As such, it’s over and nobody cares.

  25. terripet says:
    December 12, 2017 at 8:50 am
    Jay cutler dominates the cheaters 😀

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    Patriots have only swept the division twice in 17 years.

    It’s business as usual in the AFC East.

  26. Despite the Patriot fans thinking this is some mass conspiracy designed to cheat the cheaters from their rightful place in the NFL hierarchy (with their near bottom ranked Defense and a sliding Tom Brady for 3 straight games, plus a loss to a losing team last night), this isn’t even a story. The fact that PFT decided to make it one continues to show how irrelevant the posts are becoming. I know it is fun listening to your genius pool create drama out of nothing, but it really takes away from the quality of the site compared to just about any other football site not named ESPN. Please do better. This is inane.

  27. Considering that an unproven, normally-punished-by-fine potential removal of air from footballs amounted to a massive inquiry, fines, lost draft picks, and a player suspension, you’d think a clear violation of a clear rule that is of similar importance (i.e. it shouldn’t be a huge deal) would be dealt with harshly. But if we’ve learned one thing about Roger Goodell’s NFL, it’s that consistency and fairness don’t mean squat, just like when the Chiefs mysteriously lost a draft pick for free agent “tampering” that looked no different than what literally every other team does. What a mess!

  28. The Colts are the jailhouse snitches of the NFL…the first to point a finger and cry “foul” while managing to cheat at every opportunity. Nothing says “integrity” like throwing games to draft Luck. Of course, this being the Dolts, even that didn’t work out well for them. Not even a “Participation” ribbon to hang in the old stadium this year.

  29. luckyforus says:
    December 12, 2017 at 9:43 am

    There you go again Pats fans. The facts are that the deflator had control of the Colts footballs before the game.
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    Not a Patriots fan. If the Colts footballs lost pressure due to the IGL, then so did the Patriots footballs. Since no one bothered to record the starting pressures of any of the footballs, and they only managed to measure 4 of the Colts footballs, any conclusions made by measuring them at halftime are meaningless.

    Again, none of that mattered in perpetrating the fraud against the Patriots.

  30. fofrenchy says:

    December 12, 2017 at 8:26 am

    and the refs cheated Indy out of the win when they called offensive PI for a pick play on the 2 pt conversion. But it happened within a yard of the line of scrimmage so it was legal

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    You mean when the offensive player never attempted to even play the ball and immediately blocked before the play even started which is one of the definitions of offensive pass interference.

    Sadly the commentators of that game didn’t know their NFL rule book either but that’s probably why they were calling the Colts vs Bills. Definitely wasn’t the A squad.

  31. briang123 says:
    December 12, 2017 at 11:16 am
    Big deal. The Patriots would have sent a snow plow driven by a guy on work release.
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    I’d love to see Belichick drive a snowplow out there with some flat footballs hanging off the side and filming the whole thing and then warm up some Gatorade to drink. It’s cold ya know!

    🙂

  32. First off I’m a Bills, so I strongly dislike the Pats to say it mildly. All the deflate gate talk is garbage and the fact that people still bring it up in hysterical. Didn’t the Colts get blown out? Didn’t the Pats RUN all over them. Not sure how the altering the PSI helps the run game, but do tell. Like I said I don’t like the Pats at all, but y’all look like a couple of crybabies when you bring up nonsense like deflate gate and PSI….. L guess Blount had an easier time running over the defenders with the more gripable footballs.

  33. Just like the 2015 AFC Championship Game, when they got caught with footballs below 12.5 PSI. It would have been fun to see the PSI readings of those other 8 footballs that the refs “didn’t have time to measure”. A guy can allegedly let the air out of a bunch of footballs in 90 seconds, but they can’t measure the psi of 24 footballs in 20 minutes?
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    The “ran out of time” excuse for only measuring 4 of the Colts footballs doesn’t make any sense. The officials measuring the footballs weren’t working the game, so they had nowhere else to go. The Colts had 12 tested and approved backup footballs that could have been used for the second half, so there was no reason that the 12 which were being tested had to go back into the game.

    There are a couple of possibilities why the officials stopped testing: 1. The NFL personnel didn’t care what the PSI of the Colts footballs was. They were there to nail the Patriots, so they were only going to do a cursory check on the Colts. 2. When all the measurements on both gauges started coming in below the 13 PSI that the Colts footballs were set at, they decided to stop because they didn’t want to create a situation where it looked like the Colts tampered with their footballs also. In the minds of Kensil and Vincent, the Colts footballs should have been at 13 PSI. When they weren’t, they put the brakes on the operation to protect the frame job they were creating.

  34. Not a Patriots fan. If the Colts footballs lost pressure due to the IGL, then so did the Patriots footballs. Since no one bothered to record the starting pressures of any of the footballs, and they only managed to measure 4 of the Colts footballs, any conclusions made by measuring them at halftime are meaningless.

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    Where have you been hiding in a cave. The refs set the Pats balls at 12.5 and the Colts at 13 psi.

  35. cheek2vegas says:
    December 12, 2017 at 11:55 am
    First off I’m a Bills, so I strongly dislike the Pats to say it mildly. All the deflate gate talk is garbage and the fact that people still bring it up in hysterical. Didn’t the Colts get blown out? Didn’t the Pats RUN all over them. Not sure how the altering the PSI helps the run game, but do tell. Like I said I don’t like the Pats at all, but y’all look like a couple of crybabies when you bring up nonsense like deflate gate and PSI….. L guess Blount had an easier time running over the defenders with the more gripable footballs.

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    I only bring it up when crybaby delusional Pats fans bring it up and spew hate and lies about how the Colts and how NFL railroaded them.

    It’s obvious the Pats cheated and it was going on in prior seasons based upon the deflator reference the previous May. They cheated the integrity of the game. The score doesn’t matter. And it’s not the first major cheating scandal by the Pats.

  36. johnwaldron8 says:
    December 12, 2017 at 11:58 am
    Just like the 2015 AFC Championship Game, when they got caught with footballs below 12.5 PSI. It would have been fun to see the PSI readings of those other 8 footballs that the refs “didn’t have time to measure”. A guy can allegedly let the air out of a bunch of footballs in 90 seconds, but they can’t measure the psi of 24 footballs in 20 minutes?
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    The “ran out of time” excuse for only measuring 4 of the Colts footballs doesn’t make any sense. The officials measuring the footballs weren’t working the game, so they had nowhere else to go. The Colts had 12 tested and approved backup footballs that could have been used for the second half, so there was no reason that the 12 which were being tested had to go back into the game.

    There are a couple of possibilities why the officials stopped testing: 1. The NFL personnel didn’t care what the PSI of the Colts footballs was. They were there to nail the Patriots, so they were only going to do a cursory check on the Colts. 2. When all the measurements on both gauges started coming in below the 13 PSI that the Colts footballs were set at, they decided to stop because they didn’t want to create a situation where it looked like the Colts tampered with their footballs also. In the minds of Kensil and Vincent, the Colts footballs should have been at 13 PSI. When they weren’t, they put the brakes on the operation to protect the frame job they were creating.

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    I wish you guys that haven’t read the Wells report wouldn’t comment and make false statements.

    The Colts balls were in the custody of the Pats equipment guy (aka deflator) prior to the game so any potential deflation couldn’t be resolved. 4/4 Colts balls were above 12.5 on one gauge and 3/4 balls were slightly below 12.5 on the other gauge. The 11 Pats balls were significantly below 12.5 on both guages.

    And the officials working the game were also the persons checking the balls.

  37. johnwaldron8 says:
    December 12, 2017 at 11:58 am

    Just like the 2015 AFC Championship Game, when they got caught with footballs below 12.5 PSI. It would have been fun to see the PSI readings of those other 8 footballs that the refs “didn’t have time to measure”. A guy can allegedly let the air out of a bunch of footballs in 90 seconds, but they can’t measure the psi of 24 footballs in 20 minutes?
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    The “ran out of time” excuse for only measuring 4 of the Colts footballs doesn’t make any sense. The officials measuring the footballs weren’t working the game, so they had nowhere else to go. The Colts had 12 tested and approved backup footballs that could have been used for the second half, so there was no reason that the 12 which were being tested had to go back into the game.

    There are a couple of possibilities why the officials stopped testing: 1. The NFL personnel didn’t care what the PSI of the Colts footballs was. They were there to nail the Patriots, so they were only going to do a cursory check on the Colts. 2. When all the measurements on both gauges started coming in below the 13 PSI that the Colts footballs were set at, they decided to stop because they didn’t want to create a situation where it looked like the Colts tampered with their footballs also. In the minds of Kensil and Vincent, the Colts footballs should have been at 13 PSI. When they weren’t, they put the brakes on the operation to protect the frame job they were creating.
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    #2 is the most likely scenario.

  38. The patriots being involved in the snowplow game? Shocking.

    What isn’t shocking is saving 15% or more on car insurance.

  39. luckyforus says:
    December 12, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    Where have you been hiding in a cave. The refs set the Pats balls at 12.5 and the Colts at 13 psi.
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    That’s only based on Walt’s recollection, which Wells didn’t trust.

  40. Glad it wasn’t the Patriots who did it or else it would have been all we would have heard about for the next month

  41. The facts are that the deflator had control of the Colts footballs before the game. All 4 were above 12.5 on one gauge and 3/4 were slightly below on the other gauge easily explained by the IGL. You argue the Pats balls were explained by the IGL when significantly below 12.5 but when 3/8 measurements are slightly below 12.5 and the fact the deflator had custody of the balls prior to the game you call the Colts cheaters.

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    Here’s what NFL & ESPN convinced the headline reading/watching masses to believe – On Jan 18, 2015 a Patriots 48 year old overweight ball boy named Jim McNally, displayed superhuman speed and dexterity while accomplishing the following in just 90 seconds:
    Start the clock — Jim McNally was filmed entering a bathroom and was then able to remove 12 footballs from a large bag and gauge them and then remove a precise amount of air from each of the 12 balls. He would have to gauge each ball again to verify that all 12 would all have the same pressure. (If he removed much air from a ball he would have to insert a pump and add air and gauge again).

    In those same 90 seconds McNally was also able to run across the football field unseen by anyone or the video camera outside the bathroom and locate the unattended Indianapolis Colts football bag. Then using the same psychic powers McNally had already used to predict the NFL sting, he selected the same 4 footballs that would later be checked by the NFL during half time.

    Then after gauging the footballs and removing a precise amount from 3 of the 4 balls and gauging the pressure again he glanced at his watch he saw that he only had 10 seconds left so he didn’t have time to do the 4th ball. So he put them all back in the bag. Then with just 9 seconds remaining he sprinted back across the field unseen by anyone or the video camera outside the bathroom so that he could use the remaining time to catch his breath and then exit the bathroom while moving slow enough for the video camera to capture his image at precisely 90 seconds. — Stop the clock.

    Believing that McNally has superhuman & psychic ability is far more believable than accepting that a 48 year old guy might want to take 90 seconds to relieve himself & wash his hands before watching a 2+ hour football game. Or being able to comprehend that leaving a bag of NFL footballs worth over $1200 unattended on the ground outside a bathroom, when they are going to be needed for a nationally televised game in a few minutes, while you take a leak might be a bad idea. (Occam’s razor suggests that he took a leak)

    Maybe you should stick to the nonsense where you claim that a public bathroom at a football stadium doesn’t have any toilets.

  42. mmack66 says:
    December 12, 2017 at 1:17 pm
    luckyforus says:
    December 12, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    Where have you been hiding in a cave. The refs set the Pats balls at 12.5 and the Colts at 13 psi.
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    That’s only based on Walt’s recollection, which Wells didn’t trust.

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    No that’s not true and you know it.

    Walt specifically remembered that McNally told him Brady wanted his balls at 12.5 and all but 2 were ok. The 2 below were adjusted up to 12.5. All the Colts balls were around 13 or 13.1 and 1 or 2 were 12.8 or 12.9 and it was evident to Walt that the Colts target was 13 so no adjustment was made since they were in the legal range.

    Try again. You Patriot fans distort the truth so much you can’t remember facts.

  43. ezpkns34 says:
    December 12, 2017 at 1:34 pm

    Glad it wasn’t the Patriots who did it or else it would have been all we would have heard about for the next month

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    More like 10 years or more.
    Remember when the memo wasn’t followed the way Goodell wanted it to be followed and a camera was a few feet from where it should have been.

    The Colts broke a league rule, which is worse than not following a memo. Plus they were affecting the game conditions on the field.

  44. luckyforus says:
    December 12, 2017 at 9:43 am

    Just stop the nonsense and explain all the circumstantial evidence against the Pats and why Brady lied and neither Brady nor the Pats didn’t fully cooperate.

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    • Denying the science which proves that footballs lose PSI when they get cold and even more if they are also wet. Videos are available online where you can watch it happen.
    • Failing to correct the false PSI numbers that were reported for a year while that false information duped everyone.
    • Orchestrating and marketing a year-long smear campaign using the national media.
    • Telling numerous documented lies: “56 deflategate lies” told by the NFL. Especially the numerous lies that were exposed when a judge released testimony that Goodell had believed would remain sealed.
    • Admitting in court that they had no evidence of anyone deflating footballs.
    • Only willfully ignorant fools would call someone exercising their right to privacy “not cooperating”
    • Having all the text messages but still marketing the “destroyed phone” headlines to simpletons.
    • Smart people wipe their phones when they get new ones…more important if you are famous.
    • Continuing to hide the PSI report despite the fact that Goodell pledged transparency as recently as 2014.
    • Why do Patriots haters ignore the truth?

  45. luckyforus says:
    December 12, 2017 at 9:43 am

    and the fact 17/21 scientists that have a connection to a Boston Univ that didn’t test the footballs in the same exact environment of the AFCCG to deflect the truth.

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    That’s funny because you seem to blindly accept that it was fair to use the 4 Colts footballs as a control group for comparison with the Patriots footballs. Which seems silly considering the fact that the Colts footballs were not treated in the exact same way before the AFCCG game, during the AFCCG game, or while being measured during the halftime of the AFCCG.

    The Colts footballs were not treated the same as the Patriots footballs prior to the game due to the Colts being the visiting team. The Colts footballs would have been subject to outside temperatures while being transported to the game.

    Everyone that was paying attention understands that the 4 Colts footballs were not treated the same as the Patriots footballs during the game due to the huge difference in time of possession during the 1st half.

    The Colts footballs were not even treated the same while being measured”. The Colts 4 footballs were allowed to warm up indoors while 11 of the Patriots footballs were measured twice. Anyone wanting to conduct a fair test would have alternated by measuring footballs of both teams.

    Besides, anyone concerned with fairness would have also realized that the NFL rules allow for a range between 12.5 and 13.5 so the footballs could have legitimately been up to 1 PSI difference to start the game.

  46. luckyforus says:
    December 12, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    Try again. You Patriot fans distort the truth so much you can’t remember facts.
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    Explain without mentioning any nonsense about Goodell being concerned about “integrity” (nobody is that gullible) or wanting to protect Brady’s reputation (the year-long extremely public media smear campaign ended that argument)…why the PSI information from 2015 is still being hidden from football fans? (While you consider your answer please remember that Roger Goodell was pledging transparency as recently as 2014)

  47. rideforjesus says:
    December 12, 2017 at 9:21 am
    Gloating…… When Champion loses…..those whom have felt the sting of a loss to said champion….. have a voice louder than others.

    Strange when facts are distorted over time and others used that distortion to rain down on the champions…. when they stumble.

    Linked as they are to the stories of cheating and not playing fair…. But when cameras are removed from a certain place on a field and said Champions go on to post a 18 & 1 record with out them…. and when balls are purposely reflated at half time and said champion goes on the score more points than in the first half…

    Well losers will still look for the lame excuses and try to tear down a champion… and in the end when it is all said and done… the 17 winning seasons back to back… the 7 appearances in the game of all games… with wins in five of those said games… well the rest will all at some point have to look up at the champions… even those who are looking down their noses after a loss last night….

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    This is why everybody hates the Patriots. Google “winning with humility”.

  48. Just so we’re on the same page, the flag wasn’t thrown because of the contact, it was thrown for the receiver literally blocked, and pretty much held, the defensive back. It occurred in the end zone, therefore beyond 1 yard. Similar play happened earlier, and it wasn’t called. I’m sure the officials were notified and were looking for it.

  49. deuce22222 says:
    December 12, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    The patriots being involved in the snowplow game? Shocking.
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    Patriot haters looking foolish while making comments after only reading headlines…Not Shocking…because it happens all the time.

    Patriots played last night in Miami Florida (The sunshine state)….there was no snow within hundreds of miles of that game. The snow game in question was played in Buffalo NY between the Colts and the Bills.

  50. Much worse than having a camera a few feet from where a memo said the camera could be. That cost a team a 1st round draft pick.

    A team also had a 1st round draft pick stolen when the NFL blamed a team for what the weather does to footballs.

    Fair resolution…release the PSI information from the 2015 season so that everyone will understand that cold weather is to blame for dropping PSI in footballs all the time. Then take the Colts 1st round draft pick in 2018 and give it to the Patriots.

  51. joetoronto says:

    December 12, 2017 at 9:08 am

    fofrenchy says:
    December 12, 2017 at 8:26 am
    and the refs cheated Indy out of the win when they called offensive PI for a pick play on the 2 pt conversion. But it happened within a yard of the line of scrimmage so it was legal.
    ***************************************************************
    It was indeed a legal play and the fact that the flag came out so late makes you wonder what was going on.
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    What’s going on is you don’t know anything about football, the call was correct. It was a pick and it was not within a yard, it was 2 yards. Stick to hockey.

  52. I wish you guys that haven’t read the Wells report wouldn’t comment and make false statements.
    The Colts balls were in the custody of the Pats equipment guy (aka deflator) prior to the game so any potential deflation couldn’t be resolved. 4/4 Colts balls were above 12.5 on one gauge and 3/4 balls were slightly below 12.5 on the other gauge. The 11 Pats balls were significantly below 12.5 on both guages.
    And the officials working the game were also the persons checking the balls.
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    The officials checking the footballs at halftime were Clete Blakeman and Dylan Prioleau, under the supervision of Alberto Riveron. They were not officiating the game. This is right from the Wells Report. You Patriot Haters distort the truth so much you can’t remember facts.

    The game officials were Walt Coleman, Carl Paganelli, Tony Veteri, Gary Cavaletto, Keith Ferguson, Greg Meyer and Jeff Bergman. Two separate groups of people doing different jobs that day.

    As for the Colts footballs, what I said was accurate. None of them were at 13 PSI on either gauge. The story the league fed to the media (which you accepted without question) was that 11 out 12 of the Patriots footballs were 2 PSI under 12.5 and the Colts footballs were all at their original setting. Both of those statements were untrue.

  53. luckyforus says:
    December 12, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    No that’s not true and you know it.
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    Of course it is true. Walt recollected using the gauge that had the Patriots footballs with air pressures consistent with the IGL, but Wells disregarded it.

    The fact that they had two gauges with completely different readings should have negated any conclusions, but the lies had already spread too far by the time anyone got a look at the true facts of the matter.

  54. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    December 12, 2017 at 10:17 am
    luckyforus says:
    December 12, 2017 at 10:11 am
    Pats fans are so desperate to deflect their spygate and deflategate cheating scandals they are comparing this violation to their cheating
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    Poor poor Patriot Hater Still so desperate. So in denial. So salty.
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    From what I see it’s Patriots fan, so eager to spin the truth to their point of view, deflecting a non issue to reach the Patriots cheating level. This isn’t some vast conspiracy where a phone requested for evidence was destroyed, but something far more simple with every factual event happening on tape and not in dispute.
    Nice try but emojis and hip phrasing don’t make you right.

  55. notlistinin says:
    December 12, 2017 at 4:20 pm

    From what I see it’s Patriots fan, so eager to spin the truth to their point of view, deflecting a non issue to reach the Patriots cheating level.
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    Those with more than 3 functional brain cells have a difficult time being eager to side with the NFL after they consider the fact that Roger Goodell is still hiding the 2015 PSI information. Hiding the 2015 PSI information from football fans is not a good look, considering that Roger Goodell was pledging “transparency” as recently as 2014. One side is asking for the truth to come out while the other side is eager to hide that same information.

  56. But if we’ve learned one thing about Roger Goodell’s NFL, it’s that consistency and fairness don’t mean squat, just like when the Chiefs mysteriously lost a draft pick for free agent “tampering” that looked no different than what literally every other team does.
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    The penalty the Chiefs received for tampering was a lot more harsh than what the Lions and 49ers had received for the same violation. For those two teams, the penalty was along the lines of swapping draft positions with the tampered players team in the 3rd or 5th rounds. The Chiefs had 2 picks taken away with no compensation to the Eagles.

    What doesn’t make sense was the slap on the wrist the Jets received for committing the same violation in the same timeframe as the Chiefs. The Jets tampering with Revis was done publicly and was, almost word for word, an example of prohibited comments in the NFL rules about a player under contract with another team. The Jets had also been accused of tampering with multiple players before this. Their penalty, when every other team guilty of this infraction either moved down in the draft or lost picks, was a $100k fine. Like you said, fairness and consistency don’t mean squat to Goodell.

  57. johnwaldron8 says:
    December 12, 2017 at 11:47 pm

    What doesn’t make sense was the slap on the wrist the Jets received for committing the same violation in the same timeframe as the Chiefs.
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    It makes perfect sense when you learn that 90% of the league office is comprised of former Jets employees.

    The Jets were also actually caught filming signals, and tampering with footballs, but you never hear a peep about that, because the Jets aren’t a threat to the “parity” of the league, and haven’t won anything since before man walked on the moon.

  58. There’s no argument that Vinatieri wasn’t at least generally aware that Colts personnel were doing this. It’s pretty realistic that he told them to do it. Four game suspension. Draft picks and a fat fine.

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