Packers dump a pair of key offensive assistants

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The Packers soon will have a new football boss. His primary subordinate apparently is doing what he can to straighten up the workplace before that happens.

The Packers, at the behest presumably of coach Mike McCarthy, have fired offensive coordinator Edgar Bennett and quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt (pictured with Mason Crosby), according to ESPN.

The moves mean that the Packers will have dumped both the team’s offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator (Dom Capers) in the same week. Short of firing McCarthy and/or firing all of the assistant coaches, it’s the most significant shakeup of the coaching staff possible. (McCarthy also has fired inside linebackers coach Scott McCurley and defensive line coach Mike Trgovac.)

Team president Mark Murphy told reporters on Tuesday that the new General Manager will have the power to hire and fire the head coach. The head coach possibly is doing everything he can to make the best possible impression on the new G.M. in 2018, so that the new G.M. will choose not to hire his own coach in 2019.

78 responses to “Packers dump a pair of key offensive assistants

  1. So Van Pelt is being the fall guy for the dismal performance of Hundley. I always thought that Mc Carthy was the one who trained all of the new quarterbacks.

  2. I don’t understand this! Why fire them now.
    It is obvious that a large portion of the poor season was due to the injury to Rogers. Let the new GM decide that!

  3. Yeah. AVP didn’t do his job with Hundley and EB has allowed the system around Rodgers to get stale. Although, to be fair, that really is both more of MM’s problem on both accounts. But what is MM going to do? Fire himself? He knows he has to go DEEP in the playoffs next year with a big time offense. Or the new GM will can him too.

  4. I’m a bit surprised by the McCarthy hate. The problem in Green Bay has been poor drafting (Ted Thompson) and a bad defense for years (Dom Capers). Both are now gone.

    McCarthy is a good coach. His only fault was being too loyal to staff and not getting rid or Capers sooner.

    Firing McCarthy would be a mistake. People forget the Ray Rhodes days.

  5. To say McCarthy is a good coach, is to ignore the fact that he was personally responsible for keeping Dom Capers as his DC.

    Now that TT is being replaced, MM is doing the firing that he should have done years ago, in an attempt to save his job.

    I hope he does save his job, as I don’t think he’ll make good choices on his new hires.

  6. Completely agree with this.

    If they let McCarthy go, he’s be hired in two seconds.

    spreadthecheese says:
    January 3, 2018 at 6:41 pm
    I’m a bit surprised by the McCarthy hate. The problem in Green Bay has been poor drafting (Ted Thompson) and a bad defense for years (Dom Capers). Both are now gone.

    McCarthy is a good coach. His only fault was being too loyal to staff and not getting rid or Capers sooner.

    Firing McCarthy would be a mistake. People forget the Ray Rhodes days.

  7. “I’ve got three years invested in Brett Hundley, two years invested in Joe Callahan. The quarterback room is exactly where it needs to be, OK?” — Mike McCarthy, Oct. 15, 2017.

    Live by the over-blown ego, die by it as well. McCarthy needs to be gone yesterday.

  8. Bennett never really had any business being the OC in the first place. MM screwed this all up years ago when he decided to move the RB coach to WR coach, the OL coach to RB coach, and the quality control guy to WR coach.

  9. The Packers dystopia on offense coincided with Edgar Bennett becoming offensive coordinator.

    Van Pelt is QB coach and anyone who has seen Hundley’s play after spending three seasons as a backup should be horrified.

    There has to be accountability and apparently there is.

  10. Letting Edgar Bennett go had to be a tough one. Looks like he takes the blame for the receivers not getting separation. Hundley’s hesitation didn’t help.
    McCarthy calls the plays, so he really can’t blame the game plans on anyone else. They need to watch the Saints who constantly spring Kamara. They could do the same with Montgomery and Jones.

  11. McCarthy was the one advocating for the 9ers to take Alex Smith over Rodgers when he was OC for San Francisco. Next thing, he bolts to the Packers where he’s been riding on Aaron ever since. Rodgers makes that team go. Not sure why McCarthy gets credit for anything.

  12. These are good moves. Hate that EB is no longer with the team, but my god the offense was stale. How many damn inside handoffs can you run? No imagination. We used to be one of the the best screen teams in the league….what happened to that!?

    I disagree with all the MM hate though….give the guy a defense and he’s just good enough to get us there. Not sure there are better options out there at this point.

  13. Not only is McCarthy an over-rated head coach who built his reputation on the backs of Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers, he is a weasel, too. Firing these guys when it’s all on him and Ted Thompson that this team has deteriorated so badly, is really about as low as it gets. Why Mark Murphy has given McCarthy a vote of confidence and not fired him, is puzzling to most Packers fans.
    The new GM — whoever it will be — should take the job on one condition — that he has the right to pick his own head coach. McCarthy needs to go.

  14. Ferdinand says:
    January 3, 2018 at 7:26 pm
    Everyone calling for McCarthy’s firing answer me this — which of the current crop of retreads would be any better?

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    Who said anything about a re-tread? There are plenty of assistant coaches all around the league who are ready to take the next step and become head coaches. Look at the Rams, Bills, Jaguars, and 49ers as examples of teams with new, young coaches who are doing a great job.

  15. Changes nothing. It’s a one-man team. Without Rodgers, they’re a 6 win bunch at best.
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    Same thing is true for many teams. Lions are the opposite. Stafford leads the league in statistics but the Lions have never won a playoff game in his 9 years with the team. But, I guess thy have to get to the playoffs before they win one.

  16. paythevig says:

    January 3, 2018 at 7:18 pm

    McCarthy was the one advocating for the 9ers to take Alex Smith over Rodgers when he was OC for San Francisco. Next thing, he bolts to the Packers where he’s been riding on Aaron ever since. Rodgers makes that team go. Not sure why McCarthy gets credit for anything.
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    It was McCloughan and Mike Nolan’s first draft together. McCloughan had all the personnel clout. He sold everyone on Smith. It wasn’t even a close call. They had Smith pegged a long time before the draft. There are a lot of stories coming out after the fact, but no assistant coach was going to overrule the new personnel guru. Lots of others passed up Rodgers too.

  17. So Hundley spent three years as an understudy to Rodgers and being groomed by the coaches in their system and THAT’S how he plays. *Wow*.

    Sure have a bunch of football geniuses over there.

  18. So when the new GM takes over shortly he will have total control over HC/AC’s and personnel?

    How do we know that the new GM won’t on day one say Mike, you’re fired?

  19. Do the owners have a say? What kind of power structure is this? Who is in charge? What a mess. Finger pointing… blame game… nobody knows. How did they win 7 games?

  20. Yeah, it’s been real rough having to struggle along with a Super Bowl winning coach that has the second-or-third-best winning percentage among active coaches while certain other teams got to bask in the everlasting glory of juggernauts like Mike Tice, Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier, et al, but we’ve managed.

  21. Yeah McCarthy has to go. Terrible. I guess we’ll take him here in Cleveland since you’re done with him.

  22. Just like in the above headline, we should probably get used to the words “Packers” and “dump” being used in the same sentence with greater frequency.

  23. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    January 3, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    Yeah, it’s been real rough having to struggle along with a Super Bowl winning coach that has the second-or-third-best winning percentage among active coaches while certain other teams got to bask in the everlasting glory of juggernauts like Mike Tice, Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier, et al, but we’ve managed.

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    C’mon, even you know that ALL of McCarthy’s success is because of Rodgers. If McCarthy never had Rodgers, he never would have won a SB and he would have been let go years ago.

  24. Personally I’d like to see them dump Winston Moss or at least clarify or change his role. What defensive coordinator wants to come in when there’s an “Assistant Head Coach” sitting there on defense too? Yet invisible man Moss, like McCarthy, never takes any blame.

  25. Something that folks seem to missnis the Packers have been picking high for years. While there is value to be had in every round; picking first has it’s advantages. Not to say McCarthy doesn’t need to reevaluate his staff and game planning from time to time, but he’s been very successful.

  26. One would assume from the Big Talkers out in-force, that the Vikings have already won the SuperBowl. Is that correct? Did they?

  27. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    January 3, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    Yeah, it’s been real rough having to struggle along with a Super Bowl winning coach that has the second-or-third-best winning percentage among active coaches while certain other teams got to bask in the everlasting glory of juggernauts like Mike Tice, Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier, et al, but we’ve managed.
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    I believe in the years without Rodgers as the full time starter, McCarthy has a 15-16-1 record. But don’t let facts get in your way.

  28. Mike is still not safe…..the Pack is in an overdue clean house mode.
    A GM brought in from outside the organization and MM is probably toast.
    Being a life long Packer fan, this fire drill hurts. The organization is getting stale and out of sync….Thompson should have left last year.
    I also agree with the observation of other posts……Murphy is a real problem…I am not sure he gets it.0

  29. A Super Bowl winning coach. What a joke- just think how many Super Bowls this team may have been won if you had a better staff and other quality players on top of the one-trick pony. A lame coach that just rode on Rodgers tailcoats.

    But alas- it must be ground hog day. Almighty Cab Driver pops up to check on his shadow. Did you see it or no?

  30. Good thing the Purples are here to share their opinions. On the one hand they want the Packers to fail at every opportunity. On the other hand all they do is offer advice that they think would make the Packers better. Soon they will be advising on who should sell hotdogs and fill up the water cups.

  31. fmc651 says:
    January 3, 2018 at 6:23 pm
    Mark Murphy is part of the problem.And he isn’t firing himself anytime soon

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    Actually, with the Packers structure Murphy is responsible for hiring the GM but after that doesn’t mettle in football decisions. With the history of winning performance since Ron Wolf and Bob Harlen put this structure in place in 1991 no franchise has been more successful.

    Murphy’s main job is to work the business side of the organization. Over the past 27 years the Packers have bought up houses, increased the footprint of Lambeau, renovated the stadium to hold just under 85K and created shopping, a huge hall of fame and Packers Experience events and structures for adults and kids. The sledding hill over the malls is amazing. He’s basically turning the Packers into something no other NFL or sports organization has ever accomplished and it’s VERY impressive.

    For all of this spouting off on the assumption that the Packers have a structure like other teams and pretending you understand his job responsibilities is, well….not very smart or intellectual.

  32. spreadthecheese says:
    January 3, 2018 at 6:41 pm
    I’m a bit surprised by the McCarthy hate. The problem in Green Bay has been poor drafting (Ted Thompson) and a bad defense for years (Dom Capers). Both are now gone.

    McCarthy is a good coach. His only fault was being too loyal to staff and not getting rid or Capers sooner.

    Firing McCarthy would be a mistake. People forget the Ray Rhodes days.

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    Go back and watch that playoff loss to Seattle when McCarthy completely lost control of the team while the Seahawks were stealing the game and tell me how great he was then. He should have been fired right after that game. But no — he let Brian Bostick take the blame for his mistake on the on-side kick and cut the kid, too.
    In fact, you can go back to many big games and watch McCarthy get out-coached by other coaches, only to have his butt saved by Aaron Rodgers.
    McCarthy is an over-rated head coach. He’s also not a QB guru. Look at Brett Hundley and tell me how great of a job McCarthy has done with him. Worse, McCarthy didn’t have the guts to bench the kid when he was “leading” the Packers to two shutouts and had a QB rating in the 30’s.
    McCarthy should not be the coach of this team and if Aaron Rodgers was given truth serum, he’d say the same thing.
    Go back and watch that 49’ers playoff game when Colin Kaepernick ran all day on the Packers and made them look like complete idiots. Again — McCarthy made no adjustments to try to stop him.
    Then go back and watch the playoff loss to the Giants in Favre’s last game as a Packer, when Plaxico Burress was single covered by Al Harris the whole game and had the best game of his career to lead the Giants to that victory. Again, McCarthy made no adjustments to try to stop Burress, who was the Giants best weapon.
    And don’t put the blame on Dom Capers for those failures, because the buck stops with McCarthy. He was the head coach and if Capers wasn’t doing what he needed to do, McCarthy should have stepped in.
    McCarthy is the Packers version of Jeff Fisher. He’s an over-rated HC who has been bailed out many times by Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers.

  33. Yup. They solved their issues now & are contenders again. And in no way have they created more problems with this partial turnover of positions. I hope aaron has patience.

  34. Edgar Bennett was a running back. Why was he coaching the Offense? I like that McCarthy cross trains his coaches. But, there are some things that look good on paper but in reality don’t work. Alex Van Pelt can schedule his off season with Hundley. That was his only job and only person he had to get ready. He got lazy with Rogers at the helm. But McCarthy is to blame as well. It is his job to recognize when someone is not doing their job. And the last 3 years you could see Hundley was clueless. So he should not escape blame or accountability. Also, he only has 1 year left on his contract. If the new GM doesn’t want to go through this next year, then he might want to change now and skip the drama. Also, his play calling is suspect once rogers went down. So in conclusion. If I were the new GM (E.Wolf) I would finish cleaning house.

  35. mnvikes1961 says:
    January 3, 2018 at 11:14 pm
    A Super Bowl winning coach. What a joke- just think how many Super Bowls this team may have been won if you had a better staff and other quality players on top of the one-trick pony. A lame coach that just rode on Rodgers tailcoats.

    But alas- it must be ground hog day. Almighty Cab Driver pops up to check on his shadow. Did you see it or no?
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    Since the inception of the SuperBowl in 1966, the Vikings have had more HOF QB’s under-center than the Packers. Plus, and in addition, in the same period of time the Vikings have had more annually selected quarterbacks under-center in the Pro-Bowl than the Packers.

    How much lamer must a team with NFL records for both postseason losses and postseason one-and-done appearances be? What’s your lame excuse?

  36. AVP wants to be a OC, So he let his contract run out so he could move elsewhere. The OC in Green Bay is a grinder position for MM. He probably preferred the way Philpin did it, so will go back to him. Bennett will probably go back to coaching WR’s

  37. Now is the perfect opportunity to burn that organization to the ground and start over. I would hand Aaron Rodgers the match, and say; “Let’s build a winning TEAM around you”. Nobody should be safe after 1 SB in AR’s career.

  38. stellarperformance says:
    January 4, 2018 at 8:30 am
    mnvikes1961 says:
    January 3, 2018 at 11:14 pm
    A Super Bowl winning coach. What a joke- just think how many Super Bowls this team may have been won if you had a better staff and other quality players on top of the one-trick pony. A lame coach that just rode on Rodgers tailcoats.

    But alas- it must be ground hog day. Almighty Cab Driver pops up to check on his shadow. Did you see it or no?
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    Since the inception of the SuperBowl in 1966, the Vikings have had more HOF QB’s under-center than the Packers.
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    First, I notice you couldn’t dispute what he said. Second, how many years of HOF QB’s were under center for both teams?

  39. screamingyellowzonkers says:

    January 3, 2018 at 8:03 pm

    People saying that these moves are necessary are fools.

    One question.

    Would these moves be necessary if Rodgers played the whole year?
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    Yes. People have been saying it for the last few years, even with Rodgers having great seasons. Hence, people getting fired because once Rodgers is out of the game, it exposed everyone. Hundley played terrible for someone who’s been training and learning the system for 3 years.

  40. As a Packer fan this offense has gone down hill since Joe Philbin left for Miami.

    There is no rhyme or reason behind MM’s scheme other than let Rodgers save every play with some insane thrown only he can make.

    Not only that the Running game is totally abandoned when Rodgers is behind center.

    The entire organization has ridden Rodgers for years….

  41. At worst, the Pack is giving MM enough rope to hang himself. With a new GM, new defensive staff and new offensive coaches, there is now nowhere for MM to hide if things still go south.

    Chances are with Rodgers back and a third place schedule, the Pack will turn things around next year. MM is an okay coach, and probably deserves another shot. However, I know certain cheesers hate to hear this, but with a more creative offensive coach, a decent D coordinator, and a GM that actually mined for depth via free agency (to make up for inevitable draft mistakes), the Pack could have had more success with its 20-year run of HOF QB play. And yeah, the Pack has been better than the Vikes, blah, blah, blah — but no modern NFL team has had this succession of HOF QB play.

  42. McCarthy told wtmj radio in milwaukee that Van Pelt had expressed a desire to be a free agent and they obliged.

  43. conormacleod says:
    January 4, 2018 at 9:18 am
    First, I notice you couldn’t dispute what he said. Second, how many years of HOF QB’s were under center for both teams?
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    My point went over your head. Point being: The Packers’ success has not been soley due to a one-trick pony. If that were the case, the larger number of HOF and Pro-Bowl QB’s enjoyed by the Vikings should’ve resulted in similar successes. It did not.

  44. You folks on here are much smarter on this stuff than I am, but as a long time fan I am sick of MMs play calls. I hate them. He’s a good coach, organizer, whatever, but his play calls, and his sideline calls are the pits. The last two games of the season I turned off in the 4th quarter, for the first time in 59 years of watching and it was because of his play calls.

  45. As a Packers fan I just don’t totally understand the hate of McCarthy. I just don’t believe that all of the sudden he forgot how to coach. I think his performance this season has more to do with having to overcome Capers defense and a roster that was really thin.

    Mark my words if he gets a DC that improves that D and the new GM gives him a MUCH better roster (especially on defense) this team will turn it around in a big hurry.

  46. Purpleguy,
    not sure what your definition of “modern” is but I will mention the 49ers Montana to Young as an example.

  47. h the team, but my god the offense was stale. How many damn inside handoffs can you run? No imagination. We used to be one of the the best screen teams in the

    Doesn’t McCarthy call the plays?

  48. stellarperformance says:
    January 3, 2018 at 9:37 pm
    One would assume from the Big Talkers out in-force, that the Vikings have already won the SuperBowl. Is that correct? Did they?
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    And there it is.
    The packer fan requirement that a Super Bowl has to be won for a season to be considered a success.

  49. packerswin96 says:
    McCarthy should be gone as well, never loved him as a coach but his blunder in the Steelers game (57 yard fg att.) cemented my opinion on him

    You can’t blame him for that – he grew up in Pittsburgh as a Steeler fan. LOL

  50. nflnfl13 says:
    January 4, 2018 at 10:56 am
    Purpleguy,
    not sure what your definition of “modern” is but I will mention the 49ers Montana to Young as an example.
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    Also Manning to Luck (provided he stays healthy).

  51. Hundley played terrible for someone who’s been training and learning the system for 3 years.
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    Gameplay reps are a whole different story than training reps. Hundley looked overmatched mostly, but he has more 3+ td games in his career than Bridgewater. He has as many 3+ td games this season as Keenum, with fewer chances. I mean I hope he never has to take another snap as a Packer, but he’s mobile, and improved his dump-off and/or screen pass touch over the season. He doesn’t seem to have any vision downfield when he escapes the pocket, and I’m not sure that can be taught. But I’d say he was more inconsistent than terrible.

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