If Russ Ball is in, Mike McCarthy may be out

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With the Packers hiring a new G.M., the new G.M. will have to want to work with coach Mike McCarthy. On Thursday, McCarthy made it clear that he’ll have to want to work with the new G.M.

Bob McGinn, who covered the Packers for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and who now operates his own media outlet, suggests that the final configuration in the new front office will consist of Russ Ball as General Manager, and Brian Gutekunst as executive V.P. of football operations. Then, per McGinn, McCarthy will have to decide whether he wants to stay.

Putting it a different way (i.e., the way we’ve heard it), Ball and McCarthy don’t have a good relationship. It’s a topic that was addressed on Thursday’s PFT PM podcast, as I tried to digest and understand McCarthy’s remarks.

“It has to fit,” McCarthy said Thursday. “I have the best job in pro football, and no disrespect to the other 31 clubs. I love it here, I want to be here, but it has to fit for me, too. I’ve done this job long enough, I wouldn’t want the G.M. to hire me or partner with me if we don’t fit together. Because you’re on a path for, in the short term and long term, it’s going to be a lot more difficult to get to where you’re going to go. It has to be a partnership.”

Put simply, Ball has to want McCarthy, McCarthy has to want Ball. And McCarthy’s comments undoubtedly were a message to team president Mark Murphy that, if Ball gets the G.M. job, Murphy eventually may have to find a coach — either because Ball doesn’t want McCarthy or McCarthy doesn’t want Ball.

So keep an eye on this one. Murphy is smart enough to know the consequences of giving Ball the G.M. job. And the consequences quite likely will include the Packers needing a new head coach, either this year or next year.

83 responses to “If Russ Ball is in, Mike McCarthy may be out

  1. Hmm, so if they hire Ball, it’s essentially saying that they no longer want McNugget. Go ahead, bring in an entirely new system so you can waste the few years the Diva has left.

  2. It wouldnt matter either way.

    The packers are doomed right now and will be even more doomed when Rodgers breaks down or decides to leave that dump.

  3. If that were the case, McCarthy would have been let go when Thompson decided to give up the GM gig. The whole thing is already cut and dried and McCarthy will be there and the GM will be Elliot Wolf.

  4. Bob McGinn has no credibility left as he’s been making stuff up for a couple years now. Non story.

  5. I’m telling ya…..I can see a Wilson for Rodgers trade coming if McCarthy is out. The ex Badger is a little younger, a little cheaper, and never misses a game.

  6. So Green Bay has decided to become dysfunctional in Rodgers’ remaining years.

    Sure, that’s a brilliant strategy.

  7. If this were true I’d be a huge Russ Ball fan. Unfortunately I expect we are stuck with MM until Rodgers career is wasted, then MM will leave at the same time as Rodgers so it looks like MM was the reason they were good. Ugh.

  8. Mike McCarthy looks like Roy Anderson from Dunder-Mifflin after his DUI arrest and getting dumped by Pam.

  9. Big deal. GB has one player. Here comes the 70’s and 80’s all over again. What a waste of talent at footballs most important position. 2 Hof QBs, for over 25 years, and only 2 super bowls to show for it. Packer fans are so loyal they don’t see the ineptitude. Shameful.

  10. For all those cheese trolls in love with wolf & like big mike, this has got to be the end of the line. Come on over, if this happens there’s plenty of room in U.S. Bank for season ticket buyers (although they’re selling out fast).

  11. Fine. If Ball is selected, I’m sure they’ve already established McCarthy will stay. That’s great. That puts the pressure next year exactly where it should go………on McCarthy. If he is unable to show his “experienced coaching prowess,” he’s a goner. At least Capers is gone. The defense may change. Ted was OK…..with a higher draft hit rate on late rounders but little success with early round game-changers. That may change. Coaching can remain stable unless and until he fails. It sounds good so far.

  12. It makes you wonder why the Packers would go out their way to hire a GM that they, in fact, know goes against McCarthy’s grain? If they want to keep McCarthy they’re instantly setting themselves up to fail. If they want McCarthy to leave why not just tell him ‘it’s time to go our seperate ways’ and move on with a plan in mind. This feels like they don’t really have a plan and that they’re just hoping it works out one way or the other. Something tells me that’s not quite the way an NFL franchise should be doing things. :/

  13. It would be interesting to see what Aaron Rodgers could actually do if the Packers had a well coordinated passing game. The Packers have been relying on great players to make great plays. They’re not out-scheming or out-coaching anyone. When you watch Andy Reid’s teams, someone is always wide open. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Packers talk to Matt Nagy. The fact that other teams are interested in Nagy means the Packers better get moving if they want to hire him. Of course, they do have a slight advantage if they’re fighting for a coach. Rodgers. He pretty much guarantees you 10 wins.

  14. There are some real geniuses in the PFT commenter pool. Smart as anyone I have ever known. I don’t know why I don’t come here first every day for my commentary.

  15. Hey Packers, the 70’s and 80’s called…they want their irrelevance back!
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    You guys really are a pathetic bunch. Hope and wish all you want, we will beat your team next year regardless.

  16. I told Tokyo that window has been closing. Just delicious!
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    Yeah, problem is you purples have been saying it since favre left. No one cares what you think.

  17. Why are Viking fans so angry and unhappy? You guys actually have a shot at your first playoff win of the decade. Enjoy it…let the anger go.

  18. tylawspick6 says:
    January 5, 2018 at 7:31 pm
    who in the hell is russ ball?

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    Russ Ball is the cap and contracts guy. He’s very good at what he does but he’s a business guy, not a football guy. Well, he wasn’t when he got here, anyways. He’s been here for so many years now I guess at least some football stuff had to rub off on him, even if it was by accident.

  19. I wouldn’t feel great about Ball as GM given his inexperience with scouting and evaluating football talent. His strengths evidently are his mastery of salary cap and organizational skills. Not shared above, but what may work is if Ball is GM and makes Gutekunst his chief talent evaluator….., but even then the new leadership has to be willing to come off of draft & develop as the only game in town. Ultimately, if GB doesn’t figure out a way to put a team around Rodgers to compete for the chipper, all of these recruitment/interview efforts are for naught.

  20. It all starts at the top, folks; that is, with the Executive Committee of the Board. They’re a dysfunctional group and the idea that they allowed Mark Murphy to sit around for so long is disgraceful. The one who REALLY needs to go is Murphy. He’s a great ribbon cutter for the Titletown project, etc., but a lousy football exec.

    I recently wrote to Aaron Rodgers and suggested that he jump ship. As a GB fan, I would love to see him with a couple more rings. I just don’t think that GB deserves him for any longer with the way that the mismanagers (Murphy, Thompson and McCarthy) have squandered away his prime years.

  21. McCarthy should be shown the door. Without his two HOF QBs, I really don’t really see what he has going for himself…and I think he’s also got an attitude. Time to hit the buffet table fatso!

  22. A lot of people are saying Ball is Thompson 2.0. Not fond of free agency. There is reports Rodgers won’t be very happy if Ball is hired. Murphy is more concerned with making money than fielding a championship team. Ball and Murphy together is more of the same the Packers have had with Thompson and Murphy. As long as Lambeau Field is full on game day is all Murphy cares about.

  23. the packers know the tide has shifted in the north
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    I love it, the tide has shifted because Rodgers got hurt. It takes more than a season for a tide to shift bud. And possibly a playoff win or two, which of course your team hasn’t accomplished since Obama’s first year in office. Man that’s a long time. How embarrassing really.

  24. Lot’s out there we may think we know but really don’t. Lots of ego and pride in this game called the NFL. Fans just wanting to cheer for a winner and everybody is turning into a whiner. People jockeying to be the Man. Everyone fighting for the first row seat. What ever happened to the generation of real leaders? Coaches like Tom Landry. Time to wake up and drink a big cup of humility, servanthood and
    teamwork. Too many selfies and not enough selflessness.

  25. i wonder. If Barr never broke Rogers, how much of this change would have happened
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    Probably not. In a way, the injury was a blessing. Accept for having to listen to every purple talk about how their team is already a dynasty I think it’ll lead to good things.

  26. i wonder. If Barr never broke Rogers, how much of this change would have happened
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    Great point CampingDude. Like none of this would be happening. Tony did the TT haters a big favor without really realizing it at the time…or ever probably.

  27. Say this as a Packer fan –

    I prefer Wolf than Ball. If you promote Wolf, Ball isn’t going to leave; promote Ball and Wolf and Gutekunst is gone too.

    Long term/short term – Packers are MUCH better off with Wolf than anyone one else – in or out of GB as a hire.

    That said – McCarthy is obviously mad he was told Dom had to go. He’s also obviously not cut out for talent evaluation. I get interviewing inside guys, you have to, but to put Perry in the lead for DC tells me that either McCarthy is clueless (not very likely) or he simply wants to thumb it a little at the senior management of GB. Perry would be about the WORST hire for DC and would almost guarantee that the defense is bottom 5 next year. That would also guarantee a new HC – regardless of GM. McCarthy stood at the podium and stated, OVER and OVER that they need to bring people in from the outside for fresh look and ideas and help. Perry as DC and even Philbin/McAdoo on the offensive side flies in the face of all of that. Either McCarthy’s a liar or he’s decided that so long as the boat’s gonna sink, he may as well blast a few holes in the hull.

    I’m fine even with replacing McCarthy this year – Don’t give me the BS that Aaron would waste time learning a new system. He’s one of the smartest people in the NFL. Seriously, and not just about football. He’s incredibly bright with an almost photographic memory. He’ll learn the new offense quickly. Would you want a QB that couldn’t?

  28. It may be speculative. However if ball is a money/admin guy, he probably doesn’t like big mike. The grocery bill is breaking the belt.

  29. Wow. Anthony Barr may have taken out another. A full-bore domino effect. How many notches does Barr already have in his helmet? How many more before the wrecking ball stops swinging.

    I remember the days when the Almighty Cab Driver was telling us all that this (being the Packers) is a well-run organization. Then Rodgers goes down. This train wreck is so fun to watch I better get more popcorn.

  30. Mike
    As a life long Packer fan, thanks for your good run as coach of our great franchise.
    Overall, you have done a fine job, although a lot of us feel that the Pack should have won one more super bowl title, at least.
    As with a lot of coaches who have long runs, I think the time may have come here for a different direction.
    The entire Pack organization and direction has gotten stale and antiquated. A lot of pack fans, including myself, feel it is time Mike…….that being said, you have been a great Packer and you have earned a huge place in Packer history…thank you.

  31. pkrlvr says:
    January 5, 2018 at 7:52 pm
    i wonder. If Barr never broke Rogers, how much of this change would have happened
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    Probably not. In a way, the injury was a blessing. Accept for having to listen to every purple talk about how their team is already a dynasty I think it’ll lead to good things
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    I agree.
    GOD was definitely on Aaron’s and the packers side this year.
    No doubt about it.

  32. I’m fine even with replacing McCarthy this year – Don’t give me the BS that Aaron would waste time learning a new system. He’s one of the smartest people in the NFL. Seriously, and not just about football. He’s incredibly bright with an almost photographic memory. He’ll learn the new offense quickly. Would you want a QB that couldn’t?
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    Good points Teal.

  33. I remember the days when the Almighty Cab Driver was telling us all that this (being the Packers) is a well-run organization. Then Rodgers goes down.
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    Not sure what your point is. A poorly-run organization would be doing nothing right now. Sometimes progress comes dressed as a thief in the night and will suffer the anxieties that come with change. The stressors on Green Bay are not a bad thing and "as iron sharpens iron" will test the organization, certainly before this off-season plays out. Go Pack.

  34. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    January 5, 2018 at 7:40 pm
    tylawspick6 says:
    January 5, 2018 at 7:31 pm
    who in the hell is russ ball?

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    Russ Ball is the cap and contracts guy. He’s very good at what he does but he’s a business guy, not a football guy. Well, he wasn’t when he got here, anyways. He’s been here for so many years now I guess at least some football stuff had to rub off on him, even if it was by accident.

    9 8 Rate This

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    hmmmm…thanks.

    nick caserio would appear to be a far better set of eyes on the franchise but it appears gb want the same cooks in the kitchen and made this move on the cheap.

  35. gotta admit, even without rodgers, there was no drop off. mccarthy said so, cuz he said hundley was the second coming, and stuck with him, even tho the 3 games he won he should have lost. against cleveland , chicago, and tampa. so too gd stubborn to go with callahan even tho the season was toast. the guy is a terrible coach that was propped up with favre for 3 years and rodgers the last 8 or 9. field goal at pitts from 57 yards even though NO ONE in the history of that stadium made one from that far, even in september when it was 75 degrees….oh this is just delicious!!!. can u imagine a new coach screaming at rodgers for missing receivers?? rodgers will want out wthin a year.

  36. Why the hell have a business guy as GM? As Packer fans mocked my team 8 years ago, the “triangle of authority” gig just doesn’t work.

  37. In the end it doesn’t really matter to The Board. Packers fans will pack the stadium full no matter who is where, they are the most loyal fan base in the NFL period.

  38. The Packers blow it BIG time if Elliot Wolf is not the GM. Dudes been trained since he was a youth to be a GM. Finding Talent is the key to winning championships and nobody is better at that in the Packers organization than Wolf. History can repeat itself, if they let it.

  39. pkrlvr says:
    January 5, 2018 at 7:36 pm
    Hey Packers, the 70’s and 80’s called…they want their irrelevance back!
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    You guys really are a pathetic bunch. Hope and wish all you want, we will beat your team next year regardless.
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    Patchetic bumch because your Packers are crumbling? What’s pathetic is that GB has won 2 SB’s with 2 HOF QB’s in 25 years. This league goes in cycles and the Packers good fortune is about over. It’ll be the 70’s and 80’s again and Cheese Field will start to have a lot of empty seats! KARMA

  40. The dysfunction of this team is awesome! Couldn’t be happier to see this happen to a more smug franchise. Once Rodgers retires, you’ll see an empty stadium because the people that have been spoiled and gone to their games the past 25 yrs will not freeze their buns off to see the Green Bay Browns!!
    KEEEP IT UP BOYS!!!

  41. MM weakness not a good game day HC, intelligent but not quick minded, way too loyal to what has worked in past both people and schemes and stubborn

    Even if he was under someone else’s thumb he still has to go as he is either a flawed HC or not strong enough to be his own man.

  42. I don’t think Ball will be the guy. They seem to be doing their due diligence and interview a wide range of candidates. Or at least trying to. Plus, McCarthy only has 1 year left on his contract. A year for GM to decide and field a list of new Coaches. By the time they hire a GM, all the (good) coaches will be signed and you will be left with Hue Jackson. Also, they would not be giving McCarthy the ability to hire NEW coaches if they were going to be fired the next week! So most of the comments here don’t make a lot of sense.

  43. This implosion is so hard to watch happen to such a cute little franchise. I hope they can get it together so they can compete for some Wild Card slots in the coming seasons before Rodgers retires.

  44. .629 – McCarthy’s career winning percentage. .629 (16-8-1 against Minnesota, or .667)

    Chalk it up to having two HOF QB1’s if you want to – one Super Bowl appearance was cut off by one of those HOF QB’s tossing a BAD INT in OT, in the NFC Championship game. Another Super Bowl appearance thwarted by a 5 minute confluence of circumstances brought on my a complete and total defensive and special team’s meltdown. Third one a complete disassembling at the hands of the Falcons last year when, by the end of the season … well imagine having to play a Defensive Tackle at right tackle … the Pack resembled more a MASH unit than an NFL club. A fourth, he wins and a Super Bowl ring to go with it. Yeah, that’s a guy the Packers don’t want – and the only Packers fans clamoring for him to be gone are internet fans.

    McCarthy leaves, a percentage of NFL teams equal to his career winning percentage will be on the phone. The guy is a Coach and he admits he doesn’t want to GM in addition. He has ego to be sure-wouldn’t want him if he didn’t. Over the last 13 years, he has won. He has developed Aaron Rodgers. He curtailed Favre enough to finish 13-3 and be one poorly thrown ball away in 2007 (Viking fans can relate to that, I’m sure).

    Personally, I want a personnel guy – with a scouting background. Not a pencil pusher. I’d prefer Elliot Wolf (and his last name has ZERO to do with it) to Russ Ball. Murphy runs the business side of it and the GM/EVP the football side of it. You can teach a guy debits and credits … talent evaluation is an EARNED experience.

  45. Well said, Marvin. The only thing I’d add is that during that 5 minute meltdown, Seattle had to be flawless and make some amazing plays with absolutely NO “quit” in them… and they did every bit of that. Especially Wilson. They deserve to be recognized for such a performance.

  46. MM isn’t the one who was dropping passes & missing TD catches vs the Panthers & Vikings. The plays were there and players open. I think it’s personnel more than play calling. Aaron Rodgers runs his plays very well. He also elevates the players on the field. The Packers are lucky to have him. That doesn’t diminish MM’s value though. When the Packers were shut out vs the Vikings they had a TD that wasn’t caught b/c alligator arms by the receiver. He was open in the endzone and didn’t even touch the ball. That’s not the coaches fault, it’s the players.

  47. mccarthy’s post game pressers always consist of the same talking point , as he mumbles “well, we have to look at the tapes” your looking at tape days sre coming to an end. whole new offense, same crap defense. its over

  48. McCarthy is a failure anyways as far as I’m concerned. The guy has had Aaron Rodgers his whole tenure and has one SB to show for it. That to me is not good enough. Bye bye mike

  49. You sir are spot on!!!

    MM scheme is not scheme at all……it’s 4 Verts and a checkdown relying on Rodgers to make a heroic throw or 2 every series.

    charliecharger says:
    January 5, 2018 at 7:31 pm
    It would be interesting to see what Aaron Rodgers could actually do if the Packers had a well coordinated passing game. The Packers have been relying on great players to make great plays. They’re not out-scheming or out-coaching anyone. When you watch Andy Reid’s teams, someone is always wide open. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Packers talk to Matt Nagy. The fact that other teams are interested in Nagy means the Packers better get moving if they want to hire him. Of course, they do have a slight advantage if they’re fighting for a coach. Rodgers. He pretty much guarantees you 10 wins.

  50. Bob McGinn has LOST HIS MIND !
    He absolutely hates Thompson and McCarthy. Bob got a little too sarcastic with them 1 too many times a few years back. So they limited his credentials as a punishment. Ever since then he’s usually the source of Packer rumors. Just go away Bob.

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