McCarthy, Rodgers get their wish: Russ Ball won’t be G.M. in G.B.

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Packers coach Mike McCarthy didn’t want Russ Ball to be the team’s next G.M. Quarterback Aaron Rodgers also reportedly wasn’t a fan of the franchise’s V.P. of football administration getting the ultimate in-house promotion.

They win.

With Brian Gutekunst securing the job, only five days after it officially was open, Ball’s candidacy has collapsed. Many believed he was the frontrunner for the job, based in part on a close relationship with CEO Mark Murphy.

The prospect of losing Gutekunst to the Texans apparently provided the nudge to hire him. Some had suggested that, if Ball had gotten the G.M. gig, Gutekunst would have received a title like “executive V.P. of player personnel.”

Gutekunst has been with the Packers nearly 20 years, joining the franchise in late 1998. He became the director of college scouting in 2012, and the director of player personnel in 2016.

It’s unclear what the development means for Ball or Eliot Wolf, the director of football operations and, technically, a superior to Gutekunst. Before today.

Chances are that someone (perhaps Bob McGinn) will have a detailed story regarding things done behind the scenes to help Gutekunst get the job, and things that will happen behind the scenes now that the Packers have a new football boss.

81 responses to “McCarthy, Rodgers get their wish: Russ Ball won’t be G.M. in G.B.

  1. The Packers have come to their senses.
    Promoting Ball to GM, a guy without any nfl player personnel experience would have been foolish.
    Gutekunst is well thought of around the league, and hopefully he can retain Wolf.
    Murphy, by all accounts, wanted Ball which would have been logical since Murphy has never made a football hire in his 10 years at the helm.

  2. It’s nice to see the Packers lose there dominance in the North. Was bound to happen, ready for Matt Pratricia to make the Lions the new leaders of the North after another nice Bob Quinn offseason.

  3. I’ll try again. Not only did McCarthy and Rodgers win, so did common sense. One DC choice away from a very interesting off-season and a ton of expectation for next year.

  4. great. now mccarthy will stay for sure. what a waste. You could have hired a decent GM AND convinced MCcarthy to quit.

  5. It’s nice to see the Packers lose there dominance in the North. Was bound to happen, ready for Matt Pratricia to make the Lions the new leaders of the North after another nice Bob Quinn offseason.

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    Lions will always be the Lions.

  6. director of college scouting in 2012, and the director of player personnel in 2016.

    And this is a good thing? That’s what got them in this mess to begin with.
    Just seems like they rearranged titles at the green bay country club.

  7. Ball is terrific at negotiating contracts, but it was hard to imagine him in charge of drafts, trades, and FA signings. I thought they might try to get Schneider away from Seattle with a draft pick or two since they’ll be loaded in April, but this was probably a better way to go.
    McGinn, who was sure it would be Ball, will give us the inside low-down I’m sure – not.

  8. What do you get when you replace the roof (GM) and the windows (DC) in the nicest house in the neighborhood?

    The nicest house in the neighborhood.

  9. Well, shucks. Let’s hand Green Bay the Lombardi Trophy now. They’re now obviously well on the way back to league dominance. We may as well fold our tents and embrace soccer.

  10. stellarperformance says:
    January 7, 2018 at 4:02 pm

    What do you get when you replace the roof (GM) and the windows (DC) in the nicest house in the neighborhood?

    The nicest house in the neighborhood.
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    I guess the Vikings must have moved into a new neighborhood. The rest of the division is considered the wrong side of the tracks.

  11. Great hire by the Pack! A completely healed Rodgers and a revamped defense put Green Bay right back in the mix for the 2018 season

  12. This tells me that the external search was nothing more than a charade. Murphy was looking to maintain the status quo the entire time.

    I understand why the pack faithful are putting on a brave face about this. But if an organization is really serious about finding the best possible person for the GM role, they don’t perform a barely half-hearted external search before deciding on a candidate that’s already on the payroll. You wait until the playoffs are over, you interview multiple candidates and may the best man win.

    And to defend the packers by stating that Gutekunst was so overwhelmingly the “right guy” as to excuse them from undertaking a proper search is nothing more than spurious logic. If they already had the right guy on the roster, he would have replaced TT years ago.

    The next few years will be the most crucial years for the packers organization in the modern era. Rodgers has limited time before age catches up with him, and the franchise must make significant strides forward to avoid wasting his career. To anyone not blinded by team affiliation, it’s apparent that the packers’ first step was a misstep.

  13. And according to McGinn, Ball was a lock to be GM. It was a lot like his final years at Milw Journal-Sentinel, Touts he’s got the scoop and was wrong quite a bit.
    Happy with Gutekunst. Ball not having a scouting bkgd was a mark against him,IMO.

  14. When Aaron Rodgers got injured it exposed the fact that whoever’s been working in the Packers’ personnel department hasn’t been doing a very good job. I wonder if Gutekunst was able to convince somebody that he’s been lobbying against the rest of the pack while they’ve put together this mediocre roster. All these guys should pay Rodgers half their salary.

  15. There was nowhere to go but up. Removing Thompson and Capers finally had to be done. Now at least there is a chance they might make something out of the final years of Aaron’s career, assuming that he even stays beyond next year.

  16. It seems obvious… they did what Rodgers wanted. Without him they’re a 4 win team. They haven’t learned…
    This was a good opportunity to start fresh and build a solid franchise. Instead they stick with a one player dependant system. This will set them back 5 years. Sure, they might win 9 or 10 games next season only to lose in the wild card playoff. No chance to win the division.

  17. Hopefully we can go all the way this year. With Rodgers and Wentz out, we finally have a real shot. Given how Rodgers has owned us for a decade without free agency and a stale defense. I’m afraid as much as we cheered Barr’s late hit on Rodgers, it had inspired the Packers to make these long overdue changes. We better win this year, as the next 5 or 6 years will likely see the Pack dominate us and the rest of the league – again.

  18. Packer fans are so mad that nobody is talking about their little team. Pathetic really.
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    It’s amazing to me that you can say this without a hint of irony. Look at this, and every other packer comment section. The Packers are ALL you guys are talking about.

  19. So they couldn’t get anyone to move to the unincorporated township of GB so they basically hired a food delivery guy from their local Culvers and give him an Insider subscription to ESPN to do the job.

  20. Trite and overused, but accurate: Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic….
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    I fear reading the above collection of comments from MN fans has drastically lowered my IQ. Good Lord you guys are out to lunch.

  21. stellarperformance says:
    January 7, 2018 at 4:02 pm
    What do you get when you replace the roof (GM) and the windows (DC) in the nicest house in the neighborhood?

    The nicest house in the neighborhood.
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    Then you walk inside and there sits a 13 inch black and white TV, a couple of folding chairs and the whole place smell like rotten cheese and swass.

  22. pkrlvr says:
    January 7, 2018 at 6:02 pm
    Packer fans are so mad that nobody is talking about their little team. Pathetic really.
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    It’s amazing to me that you can say this without a hint of irony. Look at this, and every other packer comment section. The Packers are ALL you guys are talking about.
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    What else would people be talking about in a Packer comment section? You want to talk about the weather?

  23. Good ole boys club chugging right along. Good news for the NFC North.
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    Out of curiosity, what team would you say has dominated the north for the last decade?

  24. Arnold Ziffel says:
    January 7, 2018 at 4:25 pm
    Great hire by the Pack! A completely healed Rodgers and a revamped defense put Green Bay right back in the mix for the 2018 season

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    ”revamped defense”? Did I miss something?

  25. What else would people be talking about in a Packer comment section? You want to talk about the weather?
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    Nah, don’t want to talk to Viking fans period. It would be nice if we didn’t have to sift through dozens of inferiority complex driven troll posts to read anything from anyone that matters.

  26. Come to think of it. Wolf wasn’t interested in the Detroit job that went to Bob Quinn last year, because he assumed the Packers job was his. You big dummy Eliot.

  27. The commentary from the usual suspect Big Talkers would lead one to believe they have all the answers. It must be due to the Vikings being such prolific winners. Did the Vikings already win the SuperBowl after (finally) having one relevant season? Did they? Did I somehow miss it?

  28. We are one of the worst teams in the league when it comes to drafting and utilizing free agency. We should have hired outside of the building, the status quo isn’t working. We blew it.

  29. pkrlvr says:
    January 7, 2018 at 6:15 pm
    Out of curiosity, what team would you say has dominated the north for the last decade?

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    And who has dominated the North in the most recent 3 year stretch? Enjoy watching the Vikings in the playoffs while all Packer players leave the state.

  30. ninefingers9 says:
    January 7, 2018 at 4:53 pm
    Packer fans are so mad that nobody is talking about their little team. Pathetic really.
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    Yeah, nobody. Nobody but every Viking fan in the State of Minnesota on every Packer thread every day.

  31. Pirlvrsays:
    Out of curiosity, what team would you say has dominated the north for the last decade?

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    BTW – tired old Packer fan101… point to the past to distract from current/future.

  32. nathanp2013 says:
    January 7, 2018 at 6:49 pm
    BTW – tired old Packer fan101… point to the past to distract from current/future.
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    You can tell the future? How wonderful! Tell us……..do the Vikings go all the way and win the SuperBowl, or do they choke somewhere along the way?

  33. Rodgers does Not want a “New Out of the Packers System GM as he might just draft and find his replacement Sooner than he is ready to leave the job of #1 Qb. He is fully aware that the game and it’s fans are fickle and if a new gunslinger arrives in town and Saves the day a couple of times You the Old guy’s time on the bench grows longer and longer until you become #2 veteran Qb guy. Rodgers likes the status quo, just with a tad better back up over his current #2 guy. McFat is just happy he has his cushy job for another season or two.

  34. codylaws says:
    January 7, 2018 at 5:20 pm
    Who cares. Packers will always choke.
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    Proof positive everyone: The postseason rules made by Viking fans for the Packers requires the Packers to win the SuperBowl each and every time they qualify for the postseason……..or it’s a choke.

    The shoe is clearly on the other foot. Your rules will be applied to the Vikings. You’d better hope the Vikings win the SuperBowl, or you will never hear the end of it.

  35. In Teddy We Trust says:
    January 7, 2018 at 4:24 pm
    stellarperformance says:
    January 7, 2018 at 4:02 pm

    What do you get when you replace the roof (GM) and the windows (DC) in the nicest house in the neighborhood?

    The nicest house in the neighborhood.
    _________

    I guess the Vikings must have moved into a new neighborhood. The rest of the division is considered the wrong side of the tracks.

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    The Packers, the Bears and the Lions are stately old mansions, rich in history and tradition. The Vikings are a prefab double-wide with no wheels.

  36. ninefingers9 says:
    January 7, 2018 at 4:53 pm
    Packer fans are so mad that nobody is talking about their little team. Pathetic really.

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    Plenty of non Packers fans talking about their team. Including you…..

  37. allight59 says:
    January 7, 2018 at 5:07 pm
    Trite and overused, but accurate: Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic….
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    If you guys refrained from posting trite and/or overused sayings your posts would drop by half.

  38. stellarperformance says:
    January 7, 2018 at 7:16 pm
    codylaws says:
    January 7, 2018 at 5:20 pm
    Who cares. Packers will always choke.
    ////////////////////////////////

    Proof positive everyone: The postseason rules made by Viking fans for the Packers requires the Packers to win the SuperBowl each and every time they qualify for the postseason……..or it’s a choke.

    The shoe is clearly on the other foot. Your rules will be applied to the Vikings. You’d better hope the Vikings win the SuperBowl, or you will
    never hear the end of it

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    Oh it was so nice and quiet, then someone had to wake up stella.

  39. allight59 says:
    January 7, 2018 at 8:08 pm
    GB offseason going as badly as their regular season….get used to it, Cheesers….
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    So your watch alarm goes off every three hours? Cool.

  40. Ummmm….to Vikings trolls. Your team is officially off of the bye week. Nothing more important on your minds than trolling Packer stories? You really need to start acting like you’ve been here before.

  41. stellarperformance says:
    January 7, 2018 at 6:43 pm
    The commentary from the usual suspect Big Talkers would lead one to believe they have all the answers. It must be due to the Vikings being such prolific winners. Did the Vikings already win the SuperBowl after (finally) having one relevant season? Did they? Did I somehow miss it?
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    And there is the packer fan requirement that in order to be relevant you have to win a Super Bowl.

  42. philcodean says:
    January 7, 2018 at 8:19 pm
    Ummmm….to Vikings trolls. Your team is officially off of the bye week. Nothing more important on your minds than trolling Packer stories? You really need to start acting like you’ve been here before.
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    Does this rule of yours apply to packer fans posting on viking stories?

  43. Well, first of all, it’s not my rule….this is the world wide web after all. But to your question, if the circumstances were the same, yes. There is room out here on the web for reasonable discourse and actual football talk. I will be posting on the Viking-Saints game before next weekend, but I won’t be trolling. In fact, my hope is Minnesota goes all the way and wins the SB in their own house.

  44. stellarperformance says:
    January 7, 2018 at 7:16 pm

    You’d better hope the Vikings win the SuperBowl, or you will never hear the end of it.
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    Where have you been?
    You and other Gumby fans have been calling Vikings chokers, losers etc……for decades.
    If you think you haven’t been, it’s clear you have no concept of reality.

    What makes this season any different?

  45. In the end they played musical chairs. Hopefully the guy they promoted does it differently then TT. Otherwise Rodgers will retire and back to the 80’s we go.

  46. Winners do what winners do: win.
    Losers do what losers do: whine.
    Glad about the hire. Looking forward to utilizing all aspects of acquiring NFL players. The days of draft only are over. Also looking forward to Joe Philbin’s return. Another in a long line of class acts at 1265 Lombardi ave.

  47. Here’s the bottom line, the Press got it wrong when they reported it was Russ Ball who was a a lock. You only need to look to the national election a year ago to see the Press doesn’t always know what’s going on, no matter how earnest they sound when they are reporting it.

    Ball should stick around, he is one of the best at the numbers and he isn’t going to be considered for any GM job, even the Vikings themselves are stupid enough to hire him as a GM. Wolfe, on the other hand, is likely to leave if he should be lucky enough to get hired. But the Ron Wolfe GM-tree is alive and well, the Packers, Seahawks, Raiders, and Browns now all have GM’s that were groomed under Wolfe and Dorsey’s stay in KC helped propel the Chiefs to where they are.

  48. I’m cursed with the civic pride that also makes me a Bucks and a Brewers fan. With the Bucks, at least I have the memories of the ’71 and ’72 seasons, which isn’t much, but it beats what I have with my Brewers. My Brewers are the MLB equivalent of the Vikings. Never won it all. Got close once, in ’82, then dropped game 7 of the WS to the Cardinals.

    When my beloved Brewers finally got moved to the senior circuit, they ended up in the same division as those very same Cardinals, who have owned that division generally and my Brewers specifically ever since. Of course I hate it. What I don’t do… what no Brewer fans do… is talk any kind of craziness that the Cards are poorly run or that the Brewers are anywhere near as solid an organization. We’re just not delusional and insane like that.

    If my Brewers win it all next year and the year after, they’ll still have long uphill climb to even be mentioned in the same breath as those Cardinals.

  49. pkrlvr says:
    January 7, 2018 at 6:23 pm

    What else would people be talking about in a Packer comment section? You want to talk about the weather?
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    Nah, don’t want to talk to Viking fans period. It would be nice if we didn’t have to sift through dozens of inferiority complex driven troll posts to read anything from anyone that matters.

    ÷÷÷÷÷

    This should be good. Please tell us Packer Lover, who posts on this site that matters? All of us are anonymous rubes, yet you apparently think very highly of certain people that post on this site. God save us if you worship people like Stellar, Cabbage, or Happed (apparently, can’t spell “happened”).

  50. McCarthy wins! He consolidated power… Got a yes man under his control. Can’t see this ending well for GB fans. Mcfat has had a lot of talent on his rosters but delivers mediocrity. If it wasn’t for Rogers, he’d been fired long ago. What coach wouldn’t look good with a QB like Rogers?

  51. pkrlvr says:

    Out of curiosity, what team would you say has dominated the north for the last decade?
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    Why limit it to 10 years? Why not 3?

    Or a better idea – who has dominated since the inception of divisional play???

  52. gtodriver says:
    January 8, 2018 at 7:57 am

    …..
    Or a better idea – who has dominated since the inception of divisional play???

    So once again the hypocrisy of a Viking Fan shows through. Whenever the Packer’s 13 championships are mentioned, they are considered ancient history, but yet the VIking’s divisional titles are supposed to be revered for all time. Also, in case you Viking fans haven’t noticed, it is a lot harder to win a championship than it is to win a division title.

  53. The only real comparison is each team’s entire body of work, over the entire time they both existed (and of course competed against each other). Since the Vikings came to be, the Packers are 60-53-2 against them. It’s overall pretty close, as should be expected. That said, during that same time, the Packers have also won 7 World Championships, including 4 Super Bowls, to the Vikings zero. That’s really all that needs to be said.

    The facts are, what the facts are.

  54. Since the Vikings came to be, the Packers are 60-53-2 against them.

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    Yet, the Packers are five division titles behind the Vikings, even though the Vikings were an expansion team.

    Just the facts….

  55. gtodriver says:
    January 8, 2018 at 1:54 pm
    Since the Vikings came to be, the Packers are 60-53-2 against them.

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    Yet, the Packers are five division titles behind the Vikings, even though the Vikings were an expansion team.

    Just the facts….

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    So the fact you’re pointing out is that you’re perfectly happy with 5 more Division titles and 7 less Championships. Got it. Set the bar low and it’s easier to get over.

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