Firing Bevell could make things even more interesting in Seattle

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For plenty of Seahawks fans, the firing of offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell will be viewed as good news. For some Seahawks players, they’ll be wishing it was #fakenews.

Consider last week’s remarks from receiver Doug Baldwin regarding the issues with the offense: “I can’t say it. My job is to protect the team right now, and I’m doing a poor job of that. How can I say this? It’s not playcalling. It’s not playcalling. We go into a game knowing what the defense is going to give us, the situations we’re going to be in. We don’t execute as a team. Offensively, that’s what we’ve seen countless time and time again that we do not execute the way we should. And that’s on us as players. You guys can blame Bev all you want to, but the truth of the matter is, Bev is not the problem. Probably already said too much.”

He said even more during a game late in the 2017 season, when NFL Films caught him saying on the sideline, “I’m team player, I don’t want to be an asshole, but I need the f–king ball!

So if Bevell isn’t the issue, who was Baldwin talking about? Given Baldwin’s clear frustration with not getting the ball, it’s possible that Baldwin is talking about quarterback Russell Wilson.

There’s a perception that Wilson does too much offensively because he has to. Maybe what Baldwin reluctantly was saying last week is that Wilson does too much because he wants to. Without knowing the plays that were called and the ensuing assignments to the various players, it’s impossible to know whether Wilson is or isn’t going through his progression or whether Wilson is or isn’t bailing on the play that was called and improvising. But it’s possible that Wilson is the one Baldwin is talking about when he talks about players not executing.

Wilson, for whatever reason, has been the target of plenty of resentment within the locker room. The heavy praise heaped on Wilson this year, with the not-so-subtle message that Wilson is doing it all alone, surely hasn’t made things better.

The question now is whether the firing of Bevell will make it worse.

Ultimately, it may hinge on who the next coordinator will be, and whether that person will be viewed as someone who is there to cater to Wilson or to coach him hard.

50 responses to “Firing Bevell could make things even more interesting in Seattle

  1. No question Wilson’s performance was the problem. He was considered a MVP candidate, and then the pass offense fell from 2nd overall all the way to 12th place in yards per game over the final few games. From being a playoff contender to missing the playoffs. The 49er pass offense leapfrogged Seattle into 8th place after Jimmy took over. No wonder Jimmi Hendrix was singing “move over rover, let Jimmy take over.” Wilson is now the third best QB within the NFC West. He is Jimmi Hendrix’s “rover.” LOL

  2. You may be onto something. I mean Wilson does believe his special water heals people.

    And honestly – I can see it. That pass in the SB that lost them the game? Only reason you do that is to try and make Wilson the MVP. Pete’s always been a college guy and college players are still used to being told they can do no wrong. Not surprising he may have that with Wilson.

    O-line hasn’t been great but how much of that is perception because 1. Wilson can’t read and call protections or 2. Wilson decides to free lance back there and starts running around. The HARDEST thing for a line to do is protect a guy who isn’t where he’s supposed to be.

    I’m more inclined to believe that Wilson isn’t calling the best line protections when he reads the defense because he feels he doesn’t have to. He’s Russell Wilson – the greatest QB Pete’s ever had – right?

  3. I’m from the Seattle area and I’m with you on Wilson is doing too much, bailing too early and improvising. Don’t think he started out like this, but you can see why it’s evolved to this point: survival and a god complex. Regardless, it’s gotta frustrate everyone involved from players to the OC. Sometimes it works out well, and at other times, what a mess.

    Watching Wilson run the Seahawks offense is like watching the neighborhood kids play backyard football.

    Jimmy, you go over here. Doug, you go over there. Block whoever is in front of you. On three. Ready, break.

    And then he takes the snap, runs around behind the line of scrimmage like a 10 year old, spinning, dancing, running left, running right, all the while broadcasting the play to his teammates and opponents: “Wilson takes the snap. Seahawks need a miracle, will he deliver, will he win the game. 4th down, Jimmy’s covered, Douggie’s not open, Wilson’s in trouble, will he tuck the ball and run…will he do it all himself again, will he save Seattle’s season…”

  4. .
    You can’t underestimate the importance of a quick release QB. Look no further than Tom Brady and Jimmy Garopollo. The Patriots offensive line is somewhat average, but usually can hold ’em out long enough for Brady to let it go. In Jimmy G’ s case a somewhat subpar offensive line suddenly was getting it done when the ball was coming out quickly.

    Seattle is a mystery because they have serious weapons at both WR and TE. Perhaps their line play would improve with more structure and less “night at the improv”. One thing Belichick is a fanatic about is running the play as called. He and Wilson would have a hard time coexisting.
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  5. Bevell is not responsible for the Seattle broken D or Walsh choking.

    He is indirectly responsible for the 2009 Bountygate game loss.

    When an offense runs through one or two superstars, then stopping the superstars means stopping the offense (even if stopping them means intentionally injuring them). Bevell’s entire career is handcuffed to Bret Farve and Russell Wilson. I think that’s what Baldwin is talking about.

    Seattle is wise to replace Bevell, but they won’t succeed until they replace Carroll too.

  6. The entire offense is based on Wilson scrambling. There isn’t much an OC can do when that happens dozens of times a game.

  7. There’s a perception that Wilson does too much offensively because he has to. Maybe what Baldwin reluctantly was saying last week is that Wilson does too much because he wants to.

    Bingo. I know a former player that spent a couple of seasons in that locker room. Wilson is nearly universally hated by his teammates because of this perception. They sarcastically yell “Go Hawks!” when he’s not around. They love Bevell – Baldwin is speaking for his teammates here.

  8. Wow…what a leap from Baldwin’s statement to Wilson is the problem.

    Wilson is not the reason Pro Bowl WR Baldwin is complaining about executing. The running game was so horrid and is that because Wilson wanted to run it all himself all the time so he purposely delayed handing off until a defensive player was in the backfield? Was Wilson leading the league in TDs a result of not going through his progressions and not executing plays?

  9. The Seahawks need to clean this mess up. I’m a Packer fan so I am not passionate about the Seahawks other than wanting them to do well to give us some competition after we both should bounce back next year.

    There are so many cracks in the Seahawks right now that scream lack of leadership it’s crazy!

  10. Lynch said a lot of the same things in the only way he knows how about Wilson. After the Super Bowl loss to the 1 yd interception he was convinced Carroll didn’t run him for the score because he wanted to make Wilson the MVP. Carroll denied it but the outcome seems to support what Lynch hinted. Ever since then it’s become an increasingly one man show ending in Wilson’s signature run move to extend the ball one handed for that additional yard.

  11. Seahawks will forever be haunted by SB loss to NE…While they forget their luck in getting down the field [ tipped ball landing on player]…the interception ruined them.

    The BIGGEST problem..is Pete Carroll….NE fans know how undisciplined his teams are [ how many times did they have 12 men on field]…and his decision making under pressure is horrible.

    I recall…their fans talking DYNASTY after 2013 SB….Well, the only dynasty the NFL has seen this decade, involves the team with the most discipline in how they’re run, coached and type players they bring in…Belichick, is complete opposite of Carroll

  12. When you can’t run the ball AT ALL as a team, and you’re Wilson’s size being chased by 1,500 lbs. of people trying to plant you in the dirt, is it any wonder why he’s improvised so often? In nature, it’s called self-preservation. Baldwin needs the ball, yes. But if Seattle really wants to plant a flag on offense, their 2018 draft should include a complete overhaul of the O-line plus a few defensive key additions. ZERO “skill position” players, and don’t be afraid to step up on O-line free agents. It wouldn’t take much to improve virtually everyone on that line.

  13. What a terrible move. The person on that staff that needs to be fired is the supposed Oline guru, Tom Cable. Anyone who watches the Seahawks play can see that the blocking (if you can even call it that) is the #1 problem with the Seattle offense by far.

  14. Poor play calling. No run game. Washed up D. Offensive line like swiss cheese. Sure, the guy that accounted for over 4500 yards of total offense and 37 Tds in spite of the failings around him was the problem

  15. Russell Wilson had to put himself in the news this week, sending out pictures, covered in New York Papers, of a half-clad Ciarra on a beach this week. And even there, he made sure his name was mentioned! I even think he WANTED to be the team leader in rushes.
    I think he can’t stand someone else getting glory. There’s certainly something weird about him. And I got that feeling when in the Rams game, he threw the ball backwards and out of bounds on purpose

  16. nnagi says:
    January 10, 2018 at 7:36 am
    I’ve been saying it for years, Wilson is overrated
    *******************
    That is utter lunacy. You sir, are a stable genius. subtract wilson from the equation and you would have the Cleveland Browns-West. Check Wilson’s career numbers.

  17. Its not Bevells fault that Wilson is too short to see over his O-line. Seattle would have won 3 SBs with Matt Flynn

  18. RW is damn good because of his improvisation and the difficulty to catch him. Without it they may not even be a playoff contender. On the other hand other points are valid in that it is harder to block and execute overall for a guy that is never where he is supposed to be. Also he seems overly goody two shoes and it is easy to see why he faces resentment

  19. Another NFL team with a lack of play makers and the OC gets the blame. Apparently he forgot how to call plays and execute a game plan since winning the SB.

  20. Russell Wilson DOES have a hero complex, which could easily be addressed by a good sports psychologist. Bevell’s problem is that he was an enabler for Wilson, wanting to bask in the glory of Wilson’s last minute comeback wins. Firing Bevell is a good thing, but they also need to get a QB coach who will challenge Wilson to knock it off with the last minute heroics. The Seahawks mantra has been “It’s not how you start, it’s how you finish.” That only goes so far. They need to play four good quarters of football or they will fall into the basement of the NFC West. Their schedule next season is brutal and now is the time to address all of their issues.

  21. The Seahawks were good when they had the best defense in the league and a strong running game with Lynch, and so play-action passes were effective. Now, their defense is no longer as dominant and they can’t run the ball–and Wilson is not a guy who can carry a team, Manning- or Brady-like, to the playoffs. The Hawks have become a mid-pack team and may stay one for a while.

  22. So… It’s Russell Wilson’s fault the rb’s only scored one rushing td all year? Here’s a fun fact Seattle radio put out there yesterday: the seahawks recorded exactly zero yards rushing from inside the 10 yard line all season. How is that his fault?

  23. The entire Seattle team reeks of lack of discipline and leadership; from the botched concussion protocol to the unsportsmanlike conduct/unnecessary roughness penalties to the constant chatter out of the locker room. Wilson’s play is emblematic of that problem. Does he run the called play, or does he change to what he feels like at the moment? It appears that Carrol has embraced that his qb is smarter than the oc, and lets him ignore the game plan. No way does the game plan embody that Wilson is the focal point of 90% of the plays.

  24. The Hawks offensive issues GO MUCH DEEPER than just the offensive coordinator…. SEA has ZERO run game, their RB’s are all horrible and they badly need to find a good #1RB in free agency, they are set to lose Graham, Luke Wilson and WR Paul Richardson in free agency leaving Wilson with pretty much just Baldwin to throw to and they have A HORRENDOUS offensive line in front of Wilson and will be losing starting OG’s Oday Aboushi and Luke Joeckel, making the line suck just that much more. O, and lastly SEA has almost NO TOP DRAFT PICKS to fix their offensive and defensive issues (set to release a lot of veteran free agents as well as lose a lot in free agency) with as they do not have 2nd, 3rd or even a 7th round draft pick in this years draft, they are absolutely screwed . Under Pete Carroll, the SEA Seahawks will be getting worse before they get any better.

  25. omeimontis says:
    Wilson is now the third best QB within the NFC West.
    ————————————————————————
    He’s already got Hall of Fame credentials. Step away from the Kool-Aid

  26. nnagi says:

    I’ve been saying it for years, Wilson is overrated
    ——————————————————————–
    Led the NFL in touchdown passes.
    Led the NFL in passer rating.

    5 straight years of 10+ wins, never had a losing record. 5 straight playoff appearances, 2 Super Bowls and 1 Lombardi that should have been two had it not been for the worst play call in NFL history.

    He’s #2 all-time in passer rating ahead of Brady, Manning and Marino in the regular season, and #9 all-time in the playoffs, ahead of Brady, Aikman, Manning, Favre, etc…

    181 career TD passes, 8-4 in playoff games/Super Bowls, 3,629 career rushing yards, 18 rushing TDs, only player in NFL history to pass for 300 yards and run for 100 yards in a single game, one of only two players in NFL history to pass for 4,000 yards and run for 500 yards in a single season… Came within 17 yards of being the ONLY PLAYER IN NFL HISTORY to do that twice…

    1 of only 9 QBs in NFL history to have 3 or more 100+ Passer Rating seasons. The other 8 are Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, And Ben Roethlisberger.

    QBs with multiple seasons of 100+ passer rating & 400+ rushing yards:
    Steve Young, 4x
    Russell Wilson, 3x

    Yeah, overrated all right…

    And PS Florio, Baldwin was talking about Cable, not Wilson.

  27. This is a good move. Bevell’s playcalling had become too predictable, and lacked creativity. You could see it stark contrast when we played teams like this year’s Rams, and saw the variety in their pass game.
    The rest of the art pure is pure speculation, and reads as BS to me. Wilson is under pressure more than any other QB in the league, and while that’s not all Bevell’s fault, the slow developing pass patterns don’t help the cause. Wilson has some flaws, but all-in, there’s not many better quarterbacks in the league. People all note his scrambling, but in the rare games where he gets a pocket, he’s very effective.

    I’d get rid of Cable too. But we’ll see.

  28. The Gulls problem first last and always is Carroll. Corrupted USC and ran away. Declining franchise is doomed

  29. It never ceases to amaze me how many people hate Seattle, yet claim the fanbase is bandwagon.

    Which is it?

    And a ton of them are insecure Patriots fans.

    People are insane.

  30. heyguru1969 says:
    January 10, 2018 at 8:02 am

    When you can’t run the ball AT ALL as a team, and you’re Wilson’s size being chased by 1,500 lbs. of people trying to plant you in the dirt, is it any wonder why he’s improvised so often? In nature, it’s called self-preservation. Baldwin needs the ball, yes. But if Seattle really wants to plant a flag on offense, their 2018 draft should include a complete overhaul of the O-line plus a few defensive key additions. ZERO “skill position” players, and don’t be afraid to step up on O-line free agents. It wouldn’t take much to improve virtually everyone on that line.

    ——–

    Except they don’t have the cap or picks to do this.

    They have to re-sign Sheldon Richardson, Duane Brown, and Jimmy Graham (though they are expected to part ways with Graham). Plus they have others, like Paul Richardson.

    There goes their cap.

    Then in order to get Brown and Richardson, they had to give up their 2nd and 3rd round this year and 2nd rounder in 2019.

    So they only have ONE pick in the first TWO days of the draft, along with little cap, no line, no rb’s, no #1 TE, and needing replacements for all the injury/age situations with some of their marquee defensive players.

    Now their OC is canned because of Wilson/Pete/Schneider.

    They can do some things, but they have many holes and the number of holes keeps getting bigger. Meanwhile their cap space and draft picks in order to address this keeps shrinking.

    Seahawks arrow is decidedly pointed down with little in the way to change that.

    …and of course Wilson can have his knee blown out at anytime with that garbage ol.

  31. seahawkboymike says:

    January 10, 2018 at 10:06 am

    nnagi says:

    I’ve been saying it for years, Wilson is overrated
    ——————————————————————–
    Led the NFL in touchdown passes.
    Led the NFL in passer rating.

    5 straight years of 10+ wins, never had a losing record. 5 straight playoff appearances, 2 Super Bowls and 1 Lombardi that should have been two had it not been for the worst play call in NFL history.

    He’s #2 all-time in passer rating ahead of Brady, Manning and Marino in the regular season, and #9 all-time in the playoffs, ahead of Brady, Aikman, Manning, Favre, etc…

    181 career TD passes, 8-4 in playoff games/Super Bowls, 3,629 career rushing yards, 18 rushing TDs, only player in NFL history to pass for 300 yards and run for 100 yards in a single game, one of only two players in NFL history to pass for 4,000 yards and run for 500 yards in a single season… Came within 17 yards of being the ONLY PLAYER IN NFL HISTORY to do that twice…

    1 of only 9 QBs in NFL history to have 3 or more 100+ Passer Rating seasons. The other 8 are Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, And Ben Roethlisberger.

    QBs with multiple seasons of 100+ passer rating & 400+ rushing yards:
    Steve Young, 4x
    Russell Wilson, 3x

    Yeah, overrated all right…

    And PS Florio, Baldwin was talking about Cable, not Wilson.
    __________________________________________________________________________________

    If you think this is impressive you should review the run down of Wilson’s self proclaimed idol, Drew Brees. There isn’t enough room on this thread for his accomplishments.

  32. “Except they don’t have the cap or picks to do this.

    They have to re-sign Sheldon Richardson, Duane Brown, and Jimmy Graham (though they are expected to part ways with Graham). Plus they have others, like Paul Richardson.

    There goes their cap.”

    Likely to get cap room via losses of Avril, Chancellor, Bennett, Graham, Lane. There’s always restructuring possibilities too (e.g. Sherman).

    Hawks need to re-load, but it’s not the disaster some folks are portraying. They’ve set high expectations, so 9-7 is disappointing, but they also beat the Rams in LA, and the Eagles w/Wentz. Sky is not falling – just need to add some pieces. If we could get draft like New Orleans just had, all would be well in a hurry . . .

  33. Finally, Bevell gone. No more run 1st down, run 2nd down, ooops, now we’re 3rd and 7. Worst OC I’ve ever seen, bar none. Good riddence!

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