Doug Baldwin: Seahawks players have to “really buy in again”

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The Seahawks have responded to their first season without a playoff berth since 2011 by making changes to their coaching staff this week.

Offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell and offensive line coach Tom Cable have been fired with speculation about more changes to come. Seahawks wide receiver Doug Baldwin said right after the season that he didn’t think Bevell should be fired and said the onus was on the players to do a better job if the team wants better results.

During an appearance on ESPN Thursday, Baldwin didn’t waver from that talking point. He said the two coaches “did an extraordinary job” and that players have to recommit themselves in 2018.

“There’s a lot of things, but I think it all trickles down from us as building our culture and our environment in the locker room and in this building, obviously, this facility,” Baldwin said. “It starts with the top. [Coach Pete Carroll] has done a tremendous job in the past of preaching his philosophy and what he wants in the culture and the environment, and us as players, we’ve just got to go back to that, we’ve got to go back to the basics and really buy in again, because the formula is there; obviously, it’s there. We’ve been a very successful team the past six years, the past seven years. We’ve been to the playoffs consecutively, so the formula is still there. It’s just going back to the basics. I know a lot of people want to blow this up, make it bigger than what it is, but we’re not going to panic as players. We know the formula, we know what we have ahead of us, and we’re just going to go out there and do it.”

The formula may be the same, but the ingredients are going to be different next season. The changes to the coaching staff are expected to be followed by changes to the roster that push the team away from the mix that was responsible for that successful run and those remaining will be left to bridge the old days with the new..

34 responses to “Doug Baldwin: Seahawks players have to “really buy in again”

  1. The Seahawks made hay with low priced rookie deals. Once they had to pay everyone it all changed. That’s how it goes in the salary cap era. There’s no mystery here.

  2. I agree with Baldwin. I am not sure that changing the offensive line coach & offensive coordinator means the messaging and philosophy from Head Coach Carroll changes. Sure; roster changes are constant in the NFL (Not For Long) league. But with the core that is in place and the head coach/front office the Seahawks have, expect very positive results this coming season.

  3. That statement, “buy in” always annoys me. you are getting paid millions of dollars, there should be no discussion about buying in.

  4. He’s obviously privileged to information/understandings we don’t have but I think it’s a bit premature to assume the formula is intact.

    I’d argue the opposite – the Legion of Boom is decimated and their personnel on Defense is what made the Legion of Boom, not the scheme. Their backyard football offense, while exciting and unpredictable is also highly erratic, chaotic and undependable.

    I think when a Head Coach cleans his house it means there’s gonna be more change than Baldwin supposes. Sure, they’ll retain the Rah-Rah Pete Carroll and his personal style but the scheme may be notably different (especially on offense).

  5. Baldwin is a smart guy. He’s looking more at the G.M.’s office than the coaches for the answers. Baldwin has been in that building for a long time. I think he knows what needs to get fixed. Some guys run their mouths all the time. When a guy like Baldwin tries to say something, stop what you’re doing and listen. He doesn’t want to call out his G.M. publically, but he’s saying it’s more of a personnel issue than a coaching issue.

  6. {Standard disclaimer – I root for the 49ers]
    It will be interesting for sure.
    The young 2012-13 Seahawks had a reckless freshness about them.
    I was amazed then how they were able to keep up the intensity almost all the time. Now they are a veteran team, I don’t see the same “pop” from them.
    Whether they can re-tool or not remains to be seen, it will require some major changes on the team.

  7. I feel like the era of the Seahawks has come to an end or is winding down. I wonder how much longer Carroll will be there is things don’t improve.

  8. It will be more than “buy in.” As some of the best defensive talent in the league ages and deals with injuries and the team deals with salary cap issues, it’s impossible to keep that kind of talent together. It’s harder to buy in when the talent level drops to a more average level. The killer drafts that build the Super Bowl team have not been repeated for about 4-5 years. Can’t fill in holes with free agents without cutting out some of those big salaries. Time will tell if Schneider can maintain a team as well as build one. It’s a lot tougher to maintain than to build, once you get past cheap rookie deals.

  9. maybe buying in on Coach Carol speak….is getting old…just like some of his key high paid players.

    This is a test of a real dynasty. Like the 7 year itch…..

    draft well… drop/trade some older players now……build on the core and see what happens… Don’t like the team…but respect what they have done

  10. One of the problems they have is similar to what other good teams have. As a previous commenter pointed out, since 2012 they have only drafted 6-7 players who have been consistent contributors.

  11. Baldwin isn’t taking about the GM or coaches, its all about the players. With success builds egos and fractions within the team. Players care only of their own play and stats and then the team concept suffers. We see this in all sports and the NFL is no different. Look at some of the crew on this team. Wilson, Sherman, Bennett, Thomas, Wagner, etc. These guys get more press for their actions off the field and after games than most in the league. Their success as individuals have destroyed the team as there not grounded.

  12. This is what happens when you have to pay your core players and the QB wants the most money. You have to pay other players a LOT less. In the Seahawks’ case, they chose to get scrubs for offensive linemen and running back. No line—–> no offense

  13. Next item on agenda, is clean out all those non-producing running backs, starting with that dude from Green Bay. Keep the best one or two, and start over.

  14. Just a few short years ago Carroll was a coaching genius just like Belichick. Here’s the formula…..Team sucks for a decade and keeps accumulating high draft picks. You have a few extraordinary hits on low round picks that turn out to be studs. Then you are loaded with talent and are ready to contend for Super Bowls. You win one and then lose the next one and then the decline begins. Wait, no high draft picks, you don’t hit on any lower round picks, your at the bottom picking of the waiver wire and it ain’t working like it used to. This is the same formula that the Jaguars, Titans, Lions, Falcons, Rams & Panthers are using right now. Recently used by the Bengals and Cardinals who are now hurtling back to mediocrity for another 10 years or so. So maybe Petey ain’t quite the genius we all thought. He’s just another good coach that can win with a team loaded with talent. Even Barry Switzer won a Superbowl, but what then? Getting there is hard but maintaining it is close to impossible. My guess is that nobody’s buying in on the Seahawks, especially Petey who will be gone after this year when he figures out he can’t do it without a sustained run of mediocrity and high draft picks.

  15. The Seahawks are not immune to the effects of the weighted system in the NFL designed to produce parity and reduce dynasties. No high draft picks, and a salary cap that prevents paying star players any more than average players on less successful teams. Squabbling, holdouts, and difficulty replacing stars like Marshawn Lynch are in addition to injuries due to age and the pounding of the additional playoff caliber games every year. Very hard to get it all back. Makes the Patriots even more special, and Brady and Belichek have to go sometime, too.

  16. The formula may be the same, but the ingredients are going to be different next season. The changes to the coaching staff are expected to be followed by changes to the roster that push the team away from the mix that was responsible for that successful run and those remaining will be left to bridge the old days with the new..

    There will be some changes to the roster yes, but i doubt it is wholesale house cleaning. Most likely gone are Avril (injury retirement), Graham (free agent), and Chancellor (injury retirement, but his social media posts lead one to believe he wants to come back). Other than that, it is pure speculation. Maybe Bennett is cut to save money, maybe he is restructured to save money. I doubt they cut Sherman who was having a great year prior to his Achilles injury, and i doubt they trade him because he has diminished trade value after his injury.

    Joekel is likely gone unless he wants another 1 year deal for much less than he got last year. Walsh is likely gone, they’ve already signed a potential replacement, Paul Richardson is probably gone but he would have been gone after this year anyway. Seattle needs a talented big receiver, like Sidney Rice. Paul Richardson is not that guy. Eddie Lacy – gone.

    So there will be some new faces, but a lot of the core will remain. In fact, the only core guys that will be gone are Avril, Chancellor, and Graham. The rest are not core guys.

  17. Get rid of that disingenuous liar Bennett first

    Then past his prime Sherman. Did you guys know he went to Stanford?

    Keep Wilson, Wagner, Baldwin, and maybe Thomas

    Get rid of everyone else that makes substantial money

    If they have another bad draft get rid of the GM and coach

  18. chawk12thman says:
    January 12, 2018 at 7:09 am
    I agree with Baldwin. I am not sure that changing the offensive line coach & offensive coordinator means the messaging and philosophy from Head Coach Carroll changes. Sure; roster changes are constant in the NFL (Not For Long) league. But with the core that is in place and the head coach/front office the Seahawks have, expect very positive results this coming season.
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    Dilly Dilly

  19. andreboy1 says:
    January 12, 2018 at 12:19 pm
    Get rid of that disingenuous liar Bennett first

    Then past his prime Sherman. Did you guys know he went to Stanford?

    Keep Wilson, Wagner, Baldwin, and maybe Thomas

    Get rid of everyone else that makes substantial money

    If they have another bad draft get rid of the GM and coach
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    You get a private tour of the pit of misery. Pit of misery dilly dilly!

  20. I can still remember back in the old days of the seahawks talking about becoming the next great nfl dynasty, how times have changed. The one yard line ended it all

  21. I think it is easier to keep a dominant offensive team going for years than a dominant defensive team. Defensive relies on pure physical talent more than offense and players get older and it is hard to pay multiple defensive starters premium money. Russell Wilson will win a lot games by himself but the Seahawk reboot will require successfully replacing some of their defensive talent. I see a down year next year, with possible rebound after that.

  22. Let’s be honest, there’s not been “buying in” after the SB giveaway to NE. That’s not something a team simply gets over, as well they shouldn’t for it takes so much just to get there. Firing OC Bevel was a positive step in the right direction, but everyone saw that firing should have been done 3 years ago. The Seahawks offense has been unreliable for years, period. Common sense dictates if you don’t build an even average NFL OL you can’t anticipate that abysmal offense to be much different from last season.

    All that said, had Seattle had even an average FG kicker, they could have easily won 2-3 more games, as bad as they were offensively, and with an injured defense. They gave away the Washington home game, the Atlanta home game, and the Arizona home game with multiple missed and makeable field goals…Scary thought.

  23. There is potential for improvement since they will likely have some cap space when Kam Chancellor, Cliff Avril, Jimmy Graham and Richard Sherman are let go or retire. That is close to $40 million in cap space. They can use it to keep some players from leaving as free agents and even sign some free agents of their own.

  24. This is called KARMA. Once Hawks fans and players stop running their mouths like they are the Patriots, (Minus all the rings), THEY MIGHT start to win again. Until then, fans of the other 31 NFL teams will enjoy the decline of the one year dynasty.

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