Quick whistle may have robbed Myles Jack of a fumble recovery touchdown

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Jaguars linebacker Myles Jack made a sensational play in the AFC Championship Game when he ran down Patriots running back Dion Lewis, forced a fumble and recovered it. But did the officials rob Jack of an even more sensational play?

After recovering the ball on the ground, Jack got up and started sprinting down the field, appearing to have a clear path to the end zone. The officials immediately blew the play dead, however, ruling Jack down by contact as soon as he recovered.

The question is whether Jack actually had made contact with Lewis after he recovered the fumble. And replays indicate that he may not have: Jack was still grasping for the ball as he rolled over and away from Lewis and didn’t appear to have possession of the ball until he was free of Lewis and not near any other Patriots. Jack clearly didn’t think he was down, which is why he got up and started sprinting for what could have been a touchdown.

The play was reviewed, but only as to the question of whether it was a fumble and whether the Jaguars recovered. It clearly was a fumble and Jack clearly did recover. But there could be no review of whether Jack was down by contact after recovering the ball because the officials had blown the play dead. Once a play is blown dead, nothing that happens after that can be changed in instant replay.

If the officials had allowed the play to continue, Jack may very well have run for a touchdown that would have given the Jaguars a 27-10 lead with less than 14 minutes remaining in the fourth quarter. It’s possible the Patriots still could have come back and won, but it would have been a whole lot harder if they were behind by three possessions instead of two.

The official who blew the play dead may have had a better view than the TV cameras of where Jack and Lewis were at the time Jack recovered the fumble, or he may have just assumed Jack was touched down because he saw Jack and Lewis going to the ground right next to each other. If the officials would err on the side of letting a play go, it would allow replay to fix any mistakes. But when asked about the play, the league office told PFT that officials are supposed to call what they see, and not let a play go just because they might get corrected on replay.

“The ruling on the field was a fumble, recovered by the defense. Because a whistle was blown, there could be no advance of the fumble, and that ended the play,” NFL spokesman Michael Signora told PFT via email. “Replay was used to determine if in fact it was a fumble and/or if the player was down by contact, but no advance of the fumble could be added at this point. The officials are instructed to officiate as to what they see on the field, not to replay.”

This play was blown dead, and it may have cost the Jaguars a touchdown that could have been the difference between a loss and a trip to the Super Bowl.

280 responses to “Quick whistle may have robbed Myles Jack of a fumble recovery touchdown

  1. The Giants o-line held like crazy on the “Helmet Catch” play…you don’t hear me(or most Pats’ fans) complaining about that.

    Knock it off, already…

  2. I thought the same thing on the replays, but it would be really hard to say they didn’t touch each other at all while Jack was ripping the ball out of his hands on the way to the ground. I’m not sure the Jags got screwed on this one, but man Jack is an amazing player and was an absolute steal in the draft.

  3. Was at game yesterday…couldn’t help but notice that after the final whistle, when players migrate to the middle of the field for handshakes/hugs after the battle…when the vanquished congratulate the victors…3 Jags players went straight to the tunnel, including Jalen Ramsey. Hey Jalen, if you are going to win with brash, you got to lose with class…

  4. Funny how that “Quick Whistle” seems to be blown against certain teams, while green bay and New England don;t get the quick whistle. Refs Suck

  5. Could of had a fun super bowl to watch with Eagles vs Jags but instead we got the Refs in the Patriots pocket con bowl….

  6. It is pretty clear that he wasn’t down – he never secured the ball until he was free from contact with Dion Lewis. Why can’t we just have a game with 100% accurate and correct calls for once?

  7. the only gripe the jags have with the officials is the lack of calls against the patriots secondary. on a third down play over the middle, tony romo was too busy talking about a play that couldve happened on the overhead replay and distracted audiences from a clear hold on the intended receiver.

  8. yankeemofo says:

    January 22, 2018 at 9:28 am

    The Giants o-line held like crazy on the “Helmet Catch” play…you don’t hear me(or most Pats’ fans) complaining about that.
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    Best post yet.

  9. And you wonder why everyone hates the Patriots. There were no bad calls against the Patriots in this game since the refs only called one penalty all game on their special teams. Same thing happened in 2011. The refs always favor the Pats.

  10. Of course if the shoe was on the other foot, we all know Patriot Hater would have been wagging their fingers at Patriot fans saying stop blaming the refs it was the right call.

    #ThatsWhyILaughAtPatriotHater
    #ThatsWhyIGetInTheirGrillAndMockThem
    #TheirShamelessHypocrisyIsHilarious

  11. I was rooting for the Pats but Jax got hosed by a few calls. That pass interference against Cooks was a joke and it ended up being a game changer because it went from 14-3 at half maybe 14-6 to 14-10. No way that was interference. That was a gift. Jack made a crazy athletic play and it’s like the refs didn’t believe what they saw and blew the whistle out of expectation. At the same time , Jax took out Gronk with a cheap shot and Marrone got ridiculously conservative. They took a knew with a minute remaining and 3 time outs before half and then became extremely predictable on offense and went into a shell. You don’t win in the NFL playing that conservatively. Jax was the better team and probably deserved to win….. But the Patriots have Tom Brady 😆

  12. 345snarkavenue says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:34 am
    if Lewis had been ruled down by contact initially, and then challenged by the Jags, that call also would have stood. It was that close.

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    Incorrect. The fumble was clearly out before before he went down. It was not close. The only question was did he regain control for a second as he hit the ground and then lost the ball to Jack.

  13. Week after week, year after year the Pats win because of the ref’s at what point is something done about it? Im not watching the SB because everyone who isn’t a bandwagon Pats fan (they’re all bandwagon) knows that the Eagles are going to get screwed.

  14. Refs should be instructed to let the play go and review the play later. Not the other way around. That was a critical play that along the ghost calls helped the Pats win.

  15. that’s happened to the jags 3 or 4 times this season. if these goofy refs can’t figure out what’s going on they need to just get rid of advancing fumbles… what’s the point of allowing teams to advance fumbles if you’re going to incorrectly call half the plays dead ….

  16. Sorry cupcakes. Lewis was on him as soon as the turnover happened. They were both down already. And when he rolled away, he also got tagged by Lewis, it was unmistakeable.

    Textbook down by contact.

    Any other opinion is flat out wrong and not worth discussing.

  17. The NFL is a joke and has been for several years. Games decided by non-calls and quick whistles are all too frequent. The NFL’s refusal to implement a system to correct bad and missed calls allows the referees to control the outcome of games.

    There is no hope.

  18. Marrone got ridiculously conservative


    That should have surprised no-one who watched his stint in Buffalo .

  19. Can’t blame the ref there, its amazing he called a fumble on the field to begin with.

    Live you have to think its down by contact but on replay he may have got lucky and secured it a second later.

    Jags had plenty of chances to win that game though, can’t blame the refs when you blow a 10 point 4th quarter lead and had the ball with the lead three times in the 4th.

  20. Pat fans are delusional saying it might not even been a fumble. It was a clear fumble and jack clearly wasn’t touch after he gained full possession of the ball. It was more clear than those equations those scientist pat fans came up with after deflategate. And they claim that everybody else is whining all the time.

  21. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:44 am
    Sorry cupcakes. Lewis was on him as soon as the turnover happened. They were both down already. And when he rolled away, he also got tagged by Lewis, it was unmistakeable.

    Textbook down by contact.

    Any other opinion is flat out wrong and not worth discussing.“””

    You are wrong and obviously are unfamiliar with the rule

  22. Why not just let the plays run themselves out? Only bad thing that can happen is that it comes back. I hate most of the replay uses, but if we are going to use it, error on the side of letting the play finish.

  23. The Competition Committee really needs to get this under control. The Jags had multiple turnovers that should have been run back for TDs this year that were blown dead by officials. If the call on the field is a fumble, let the play friggin’ run! Replay can determine if the player is down by contact, if it is the correct call, etc.

    But when the refs blow the play dead, there is nothing that can be done. I thought it was bad when we collectively forgot what a catch is or isn’t. There is no good excuse for the refs to blow the play dead, especially when they have had to say they were wrong multiple times and should have let the play run.

  24. Where are all the dopes claiming the NFL was rigged for a Patriots/Vikings Super Bowl because of a photo of Brady and Keenum on the NFL page? Don’t you feel silly now.

    🙂

  25. eagleswin says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:39 am

    345snarkavenue says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:34 am
    if Lewis had been ruled down by contact initially, and then challenged by the Jags, that call also would have stood. It was that close.

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    Incorrect. The fumble was clearly out before before he went down. It was not close. The only question was did he regain control for a second as he hit the ground and then lost the ball to Jack.

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    Technically he’s correct. They announced “call stands,” which means whatever the call on the field was would have remained. They wouldn’t have called it a fumble if that weren’t the original call.

  26. A) It wasn’t a fumble. He pinned the ball to his hip which reestablished possession. B) Lewis and Jack went to the ground touching each other, meaning whoever possessed the ball was down by contact.

    Thanks for playing, though.

  27. “That pass interference against Cooks was a joke”

    The Jags defender pushed Cooks out of bounds before the ball was even in the air, that’s textbook PI. Of if you want it could be unsportsmanlike conduct but either way, it was a clear penalty. You can’t push the other team’s player out of bounds intentionally

  28. username5891 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:46 am
    Pat fans are delusional saying it might not even been a fumble. It was a clear fumble and jack clearly wasn’t touch after he gained full possession of the ball. It was more clear than those equations those scientist pat fans came up with after deflategate. And they claim that everybody else is whining all the time.
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    You don’t need an equation to figure out the locker room temperature was fabricated based solely on what gauge was used. Just sayin’.

  29. Funny how that “Quick Whistle” seems to be blown against certain teams, while green bay and New England don;t get the quick whistle. Refs Suck
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    When defenses jump offside plays get blown death too, unless you are Brady or Rodgers that is.

  30. if Lewis had been ruled down by contact initially, and then challenged by the Jags, that call also would have stood….

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    Incorrect. The fumble was clearly out before before he went down. It was not close. The only question was did he regain control for a second as he hit the ground and then lost the ball to Jack.

    If he did regain control – and that’s a very defensible position – then it was not a fumble, because the ball was between Lewis’ hand and his hip, and not moving, as his knee hit the ground. If that’s considered control, then it’s not a fumble – Patriots’ ball, and the drive continues. You’re ridiculing the notion that a non-fumble call might have stood, and then conceding that there’s a legitimate reason to think that a non-fumble call might have stood. So obviously, it was close.

    Peter King thinks it shouldn’t have been a fumble: “I don’t like a ruling of a fumble when the player never loses the ball, his knee hits the ground, and he still hasn’t lost control. He doesn’t have a vice-grip on the ball, but he is controlling the ball enough so that it’s not on the turf…”

    It was close.

  31. Games decided by non-calls and quick whistles are all too frequent

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    so what do you want non call or whistle?

  32. pftidbro says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:48 am
    LyinRogerMustGo says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:44 am
    Sorry cupcakes. Lewis was on him as soon as the turnover happened. They were both down already. And when he rolled away, he also got tagged by Lewis, it was unmistakeable.
    Textbook down by contact.
    Any other opinion is flat out wrong and not worth discussing.“””
    You are wrong and obviously are unfamiliar with the rule


    I’m afraid not.

    Maybe you don’t like the rule but the rules are the rules. Learn the game.

  33. Here’s the thing….Let’s assume the play is returned for a TD. The Pats would have simply used their final possession to drive for a game winning score and win 31-27. There is no way anyone can say either way that play would have determined the game.

  34. 1590t says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:38 am
    Anyone who is not legally blind could see that Jack was down by contact.
    Another “nothing-burger.”
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    You might want to familiarize yourself with the NFL rulebook. Jack couldn’t be down by contact because he never gained control of the ball until after he rolled away from Lewis. Have another bite of your “nothing-burger”.

  35. tajuara says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:40 am
    Refs should be instructed to let the play go and review the play later. Not the other way around. That was a critical play that along the ghost calls helped the Pats win.

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    The refs should get some glasses or be fired. Lewis had the ball all the way to the ground before losing final possession while on the ground. Clear as day. Down by contact. No fumble.

  36. Literally nothing to see here. Whatever call had occured on the field would of been upheld, it was that close. Jack was down by contact, just like an INT if the defender bumps bodies with the WR and then he falls down, he’s down by contact…

    How is this even up for debate?

    It’s like the people whining about DPI at the end of the 1st half… Are you also willing to admit you got one when they no called Buoye on DPI when he grabbed the left arm of Cooks in the 3rd quarter on a perfectly placed throw from Brady that he could not catch since he only had one hand…

    That’s football Kids.

  37. When a receiver it touched before he secures the ball and then goes down, they rule down by contact. No different here.
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    Nope rule is different sorry you’re wrong. One hero ref had to save the season once he saw jack sprinting down the sideline. No reason to blow the whistle early there at all. Remember the end of chiefs vs titans game let the play go and corrected it right away.

  38. agjag says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:48 am
    The Competition Committee really needs to get this under control. The Jags had multiple turnovers that should have been run back for TDs this year that were blown dead by officials. If the call on the field is a fumble, let the play friggin’ run! Replay can determine if the player is down by contact, if it is the correct call, etc.

    But when the refs blow the play dead, there is nothing that can be done. I thought it was bad when we collectively forgot what a catch is or isn’t. There is no good excuse for the refs to blow the play dead, especially when they have had to say they were wrong multiple times and should have let the play run

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    you guys had a ten point lead and you got beat by danny amendola. stop crying already. your team blew their golden opportunity.

  39. yankeemofo says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:28 am

    The Giants o-line held like crazy on the “Helmet Catch” play…you don’t hear me(or most Pats’ fans) complaining about that.

    Knock it off, already…

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    Wait, aren’t you now complaining about that though?

  40. Why wasn’t the play ruled down before Myles Jack took the ball. Lewis was still bobbling the ball in his hands when his body had hit the ground? Jack didn’t take the ball till after that.

    Will someone please explain?

  41. He recovered the ball and he was on the ground. Contact with Lewis made him fall to the ground. That’s down by contact by definition.

    I remember quick whistles against he patriots too. Strip sack against Baltimore last year and he was ruled down by “forward progress” which made no sense as he wasn’t even running.

  42. harrisonhits2 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:51 am
    “That pass interference against Cooks was a joke”

    The Jags defender pushed Cooks out of bounds before the ball was even in the air, that’s textbook PI. Of if you want it could be unsportsmanlike conduct but either way, it was a clear penalty. You can’t push the other team’s player out of bounds intentionally
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    They were both fighting for the ball, the defender has the right to that ball as well and come back for it. They were both pushing and fighting with hands. I wouldn’t call it a brutal call, but I would really like to see that a no call, it was pretty much 7 for New England.

  43. bigbadbills says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:39 am
    Week after week, year after year the Pats win because of the ref’s at what point is something done about it? Im not watching the SB because everyone who isn’t a bandwagon Pats fan (they’re all bandwagon) knows that the Eagles are going to get screwed.

    And I guess it was the refs that caused Jacksonville to get a delay of game penalty after a TO

    And I’m sure it was the refs that caused Jacksonville to get the illegal shift penalty

    And I’m sure it was the refs made Ramsey put his arm around the neck of Cooks when the ball was in the air

    And I’m sure it was the refs that allowed Brady to complete a 3rd and 18

    And I’m sure it was the refs that made Jacksonville take a knee with 59 something seconds left in the first half and 3 TO

    And I’m sure it was the Refs that shut down the #1 rushing offense

    And for the record, Zero flags thrown on Jacksonville the last 2 Patriots scoring drives

    #crybaby
    #excusemaker

  44. So tired of all the Jags fans whining. The refs didn’t call much in this game and really let them play. The Jags defense was taking cheap shots and late hits all over the field the refs let it all go. On James White’s TD run the defender could’ve easily got a personal foul for continuing after the play was over he even took a swing at White and the refs did nothing.

  45. Just watched replay that was a fumble and the defender didn’t have control of the ball until after he separated from the ball carrier.

  46. harrisonhits2 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:51 am
    “That pass interference against Cooks was a joke”

    The Jags defender pushed Cooks out of bounds before the ball was even in the air, that’s textbook PI. Of if you want it could be unsportsmanlike conduct but either way, it was a clear penalty. You can’t push the other team’s player out of bounds intentionally
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    He was doing what is taught. It’s called stacking the WR. Hand on hip turn and throw your body into wr and turn and run. This is football that kind of contact is allowed when competing for a ball

  47. blkandgld4eva says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:54 am
    1590t says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:38 am
    Anyone who is not legally blind could see that Jack was down by contact.
    Another “nothing-burger.”
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    You might want to familiarize yourself with the NFL rulebook. Jack couldn’t be down by contact because he never gained control of the ball until after he rolled away from Lewis.


    And even if that was true (and there was no conclusive evidence it was)…he was clearly and unmistakeably tagged by Lewis’s arm when he rolled away.

    Down by contact.

    Period.

  48. Seriously? You (singular and plural) are trying to make a case that it should have been a touchdown? Come on. It probably wasn’t even a fumble. If wedging the ball between your helmet and hand is considered a catch in a Super Bowl, then still having the ball between your thigh and your hand as you hit the ground seems like it ought to still be possession.

  49. yankeemofo says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:28 am
    The Giants o-line held like crazy on the “Helmet Catch” play…you don’t hear me(or most Pats’ fans) complaining about that.

    Knock it off, already…

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    You just did. That being said, the call was right.

  50. “It was a clear fumble and jack clearly wasn’t touch after he gained full possession of the ball. It was more clear than those equations those scientist pat fans came up with after deflategate”

    Yes it was a fumble but Jack was down by contact.

    And hate to tell you, since you clearly failed 5th grade science, Pats fans didn’t come up with “those equations”. That is established, proven science that has been around for a long time. SMH

  51. Sigh – people can’t have it both ways. If Lewis wasn’t down on contact BEFORE losing possession than that means Jack had possession BEFORE Lewis was down. Which clearly wasn’t the case so it’s arguable it was fumble. But if it was that means Jack had possession and was down by contact.

  52. RGisvacuous says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:32 am
    Was at game yesterday…couldn’t help but notice that after the final whistle, when players migrate to the middle of the field for handshakes/hugs after the battle…when the vanquished congratulate the victors…3 Jags players went straight to the tunnel, including Jalen Ramsey. Hey Jalen, if you are going to win with brash, you got to lose with class…

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    Brady did that when they lost to the fins. Pats fans were adamant though that he shook hands in the tunnel after the game. Maybe it was the same thing with Jalen.

  53. People saying he regained possession on his hip is laughable. CBS showed that in super slow motion real time he never regained possession the ball was constantly moving until jack got it untouched and popped up in one motion. Sorry Myles jack that the refs took away your chance for glory and a historic defensive play and all time upset.

  54. “Hope the NFL can get by on SB ratings from the NE region and Metro Philly. I doubt anyone else will watch this scripted, WWE garbage.”

    Lolz the Super Bowl usually has a worldwide audience of roughly a billion people. Note that the vast majority of those people are not in the US and will happily be watching the game.

  55. yfordjr says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:52 am
    if Lewis had been ruled down by contact initially, and then challenged by the Jags, that call also would have stood….

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    Incorrect. The fumble was clearly out before before he went down. It was not close. The only question was did he regain control for a second as he hit the ground and then lost the ball to Jack.

    If he did regain control – and that’s a very defensible position – then it was not a fumble, because the ball was between Lewis’ hand and his hip, and not moving, as his knee hit the ground. If that’s considered control, then it’s not a fumble – Patriots’ ball, and the drive continues. You’re ridiculing the notion that a non-fumble call might have stood, and then conceding that there’s a legitimate reason to think that a non-fumble call might have stood. So obviously, it was close.

    Peter King thinks it shouldn’t have been a fumble: “I don’t like a ruling of a fumble when the player never loses the ball, his knee hits the ground, and he still hasn’t lost control. He doesn’t have a vice-grip on the ball, but he is controlling the ball enough so that it’s not on the turf…”

    It was close.

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    not a fumble…refs did everything they could to help jax win that game

    church with a cheap shot on gronk

    tackling ne’s dlinemen over and over with only 1 holding penalty on jax all game, cooks and gronk grabbed and mauled…

  56. george1859 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:52 am
    Just add another * to the rest. Refs just add to the cheating.


    Translation: 😥 😥

  57. TheCommish says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:54 am
    Rigged. Hope the NFL can get by on SB ratings from the NE region and Metro Philly. I doubt anyone else will watch this scripted, WWE garbage.
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    Yeah, the NFL “loves” Tom Brady. BTW, he WILL orchestrate a scheme to delate your tires.

  58. george1859 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:52 am
    Just add another * to the rest. Refs just add to the cheating.


    In other words: 😥 😥

  59. Can someone please explain to me what the NFL brass —who are obsessed with league parity— have to gain by fixing games in favor of a team that goes to the Super Bowl routinely, to the anguish of 31 out of 32 franchises’ fans who loudly hate the Patriots? And I don’t want to hear about THIS super bowl, and how it would have lacked star power without the Pats, this is one game of one season. I hear this song and dance every year, so you people clearly think this is a thing. No team has been treated more harshly (and I’d argue unfairly) by the League, I don’t know if you guys forgot about the two years of court proceedings over a highly suspect “indepedent” investigation that we just had happen. You guys are out of your minds. Use your head for me one time, yeesh.

  60. Jags 6 penalties for 98 yds. Pats 1 for 10. Tells you all you need to know about what the NFL wanted to happen.

    BTW not the Pats fault that the WWNFL didn’t want the Jags in the SB.

  61. “It is sickening how much kraft has paid the refs off.”

    I have to laugh whenever people make this ludicrous claim about any team paying off the refs. The refs are paid something like 175k a year from the league. The reason why they have been “part time” is they are all successful businessmen, attorneys, etc who have made an awful lot of money already in their lives.

    Not one of these guys needs any “pay offs”

  62. eagleswin says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:39 am

    The only question was did he regain control for a second as he hit the ground and then lost the ball to Jack.

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    and that is exactly the reason why the call would have stood if it had NOT been ruled a fumble initially.

  63. Instead of whining about the calls that didn’t go your way (you earned every penalty BTW), why not admit to yourselves that you failed to capitalize on your lead?

    The calls the Jags upset about all happened on the defensive side of the football, yet no one seems to want to acknowledge the elephant in the room – that the Jags offense could only muster a whopping three points in the entire 2nd half. I ask you – since when is three points in the 2nd half enough to bead Brady and the Patriots in Gillette Stadium?

    The Jags tried to do to the Patriots what they did to the Steelers last week. Jump out to an early lead and hang on for dear life when the team with playoff pedigree gets settled and goes to work. This might have been good enough against the Steelers, but not against NE.

    The Jags didn’t win because they didn’t deserve to. Plain and simple. End of story.

  64. A) Lewis’ hand was under the ball when he knee hit the turf so it wasn’t a fumble
    B) Jags D gave up the last 1:30, when the let D lew run for 9 yards on the final first down.

    Would not have changed the end result
    #stopwhining

  65. tajuara says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:40 am

    Refs should be instructed to let the play go and review the play later. Not the other way around. That was a critical play that along the ghost calls helped the Pats win.

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    They have it right. Officials should officiate the way they see it, not to keep every play alive because there might be something to review.

    Using this play as an example, the author states that perhaps one of the on-field officials saw that he was down by contact and blew it dead for that reason. If the officials let the play go, that information is gone. You’re putting the other team at a disadvantage. Now you’re going to replay using a “call on the field” that wasn’t a call at all and is really more of an intentional miscall. You’ve changed the starting point of the review process.

    I understand the argument for trying to let plays go, but I don’t think we want to be asking officials to get calls wrong on purpose. I suspect a lot of those plays, if they were to be officiated that way, would be allowed to stand due to the heavy bias towards the original “call” in the review process. I’d rather have officials call it as they see it than have teams getting screwed because they let the play go and replay couldn’t fix it.

  66. Look at it this way cupcakes.

    If the refs really wanted to favor the Patriots… why wouldn’t they have reversed the original fumble call. It wasn’t that clear it was a fumble (I believe it was but it wasn’t egregious if they ruled otherwise- it was close) and they would have gotten away with doing so with no controversy.

    Logic. Use it. 🙂

  67. ihavenoeyedeer says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:56 am
    yankeemofo says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:28 am

    The Giants o-line held like crazy on the “Helmet Catch” play…you don’t hear me(or most Pats’ fans) complaining about that.

    Knock it off, already…

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    Wait, aren’t you now complaining about that though?

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    Right. Thou shall never speak of those things ever again…

  68. If “ifs” and “buts” were candy and nuts, we’d all have a Merry Christmas.

    The Jags were getting away with holding and DPI, not to mention the helmet head-shot they used to take out the second best offensive player, all night. The Pat’s were playing a clean game, the Jags were borderline dirty, right up to the edge. Right up to and even during the final kneel-down, just like the Seahawks when the Pats beat them.

    I thought the play was iffy, if it was even a turnover, so be thankful for that gift.

    You know what else robbed them? Dropped passes and sacks. We could play this game all day.

  69. I am not a Patriots hater like most people, it just seems that this is their decade, many teams go through that. The Steelers in the 70s, 49ers, in the 80’s, Cowboys in the 90’s and now it is the Pats turn. But with that said, something is wrong here because this is the 3rd or 4th time this year there has been questionable calls that seem to go in the Pats favor. Not saying the Pats have a hand in this but if the league office wants us to truly believe there is nothing to see here then that will be a difficult task.

    Not only were the Pats only penalized one time in that game, Jack caused the fumble and clearly recovered the fumble and was never given a chance to advance the fumble because he was quickly whistle down. These type of calls continue to feed the narrative that something shady is going on here with the League. So instead of fans (not just Pats fans) enjoying the best QB – Coach tandem ever put together, instead we have to continue to have legitimate conversations about the refs making calls in the Pats favor.

    Thank you NFL and Goddell for your poor job.

  70. Soooo…
    No whistle, the NFL takes another hit…
    A whistle, the NFL takes another hit…
    What do you want? A review on every single play?!? I thought that a review on half the catches was already too much!

  71. Watch the replay folks. It was a fumble and Lewis’ foot hit Jack when he was on the ground with possession of the ball. It was not a blown call.

  72. This Pats “era” is reminding me of the Dolphin “era” when they were coached by Don Shula. Just seemed like they got every call or non-call, got the best schedule (as in not going to Buffalo in December) and always seemed to be favored by the NFL. Always seems that the “elite” team is helped out by the NFL and the refs.

  73. username5891 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:54 am

    Nope rule is different sorry you’re wrong. One hero ref had to save the season once he saw jack sprinting down the sideline. No reason to blow the whistle early there at all. Remember the end of chiefs vs titans game let the play go and corrected it right away.

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    The play near the end of the Chiefs-Titans game? You’re going to cite that? That play was a total failure on the officials’ part. It wasn’t even close to being a fumble. It should have been blown dead immediately, as should any other play where an official has the player down by contact.

  74. no different than the sack fumble in chiefs/titans that should have been a late chiefs td.. it happens, refs need to learn to let plays like that go. but hey its bang bang it is what is is

  75. All this outrage over being called down by contact.

    Jags had the ball at their own 33 and went 3 and out. THAT should be where the outrage should be pointed. I suppose the refs robbed the Jags there as well.

  76. Sorry, but there’s no way any football team legitimately can go an entire game without a single penalty, let alone just one on special teams.

  77. philipdebin says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:07 am
    Refs helped te Pats, no doubt. But Jags still couldnhave and should have won. Just didn’t get it done.

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    No doubt the Jags “could have” won, but if the Jags “should have won”, then they would have figured out a way to “get it done”. See how this works? Simple.

  78. I think Kelvin Benjamin calls that a fumble. Anybody, outside of NE of course, understands that it was a fumble. There is no “regaining possession” at that point. The ball was out, he was going to the ground, he needs to maintain total control through the ground, which he did not. You’d think NE fans would know this, the refs basically live at Gillette. As far as blowing the play dead, coulda woulda, shoulda. Jacksonville could have also scored on that drive, but it is what it is. The problem I have is with the total lack of consistency on calls between the 2 teams. Precedent was set with the Buoye call, you want to make those calls, you have to make them all game, but the red clearly knew he screwed up, because a weak call like that means the yellow flies all game. Gilmore was guilty on more than one occasion, and I specifically recall a “hold” on Mercedes Lewis when he was trying to make an out breaking route in the middle of the field that went uncalled. Quite a few holds went 100% unnoticed. Karma for Gronk was nice, love how it’s a “cheap shot”, except he did Tre White way worse. It was a good game, but unfortunate that it can’t be officiated evenly. As far as I’m concerned, the Patriots couldn’t win that game with the help from the refs. It’s a different second half if you’re coming out, down by 8-11 without Gronk than if you’re down by 4.

  79. Earlier in the game, I commented to my wife that it seems to me that either the referees don’t blow the whistles consistently in regards to stoppage of play or the players simply disregard the whistle.

    I can see the value of letting a play go on, however, it can also lead to injury and mayhem when a ball carrier is clearly not moving forward or a QB or kicker are vulnerable. So I don’t think you can disregard what you think you see for the sake of letting it play out and fixing it on review. That’s not the intent of video review.

    I think my point is that in any given game you can pick three or four plays where you find the whistle timing or response from the players questionable. On some plays there are just bigger stakes.

  80. That wasn’t a fumble by Lewis he had the ball pinned to his hip and the ground caused the fumble. It should have been Patriots ball. I’ll admit the pass interference at the end of the first half was questionable, but this one could have gone either way.

  81. What do you mean he could have scored a TD? That’s a huge leap. But hey, you’ll get clicks from it, so I guess that makes it fine, right?

  82. He doesn’t have to be touched AFTER he gets the ball. If he was on the ground due to CONTACT and recovered the ball on the ground, then he’s down by contact.

    Last year McCourty had an interception that he didn’t recover until he was on the ground, kneeling. The Baltimore player made incidental contact (if that) BEFORE he fell to the ground and BEFORE he secured the ball. Ruling? Down by contact.

  83. Here are all 6 of the accepted Jags penalties:

    – False Start (Cam Robinson)
    – illegal shift
    – Delay of game
    – Unnecessary roughness (Barry Church)
    – DPI (Bouye)
    – DPI (Ramsey)

    Every single one of these penalties were legit penalties.

    The Jags could’ve earned several more 15 yard personal fouls as well (Miles Jack taking a swing at James White after his TD run).

    The Patriots are the most well coached, disciplined team in the NFL. Good coaching and technique results in minimal penalties. Sorry your team isn’t as good.

  84. I watched a replay of the game last night. Every penalty called on the Jaguars was obvious. On the one call some are questioning, Tony Romo said it was a “definite penalty”. On the other PI Ramsey put Cooks in a headlock.

    As for the fumble and recovery, I would like to read an interpretation of the rule book on what constitutes possession. Lewis had the ball pinned against his leg when he was down. No one on the Pats complained about the call they just went to work. You want to assume (1) a fumble, (2) Jack doesn’t have possession until he no longer in contact with Lewis even though he had been laying on him, and (3) that he would have scored.

    How about the Jaguars (1) scoring more than 6 points in the second half of the AFC Championship, (2) stopping the Patriots on 3rd and 18, (3) not relying on their D that was shredded in the fourth quarter and taking a chance on fourth and one at their own 42 yard line?

    It was a great game. Bouye was holding the whole game. Go back and look at the tape and you will see him holding Cooks wrist on a deep pattern up the middle. There was illegal contact continuously on the PI that he was called for at the end of the first half. Listening to guys making excuses instead of taking their hats off to Brady, Amendola and Cooks is poor sportsmanship.

  85. FACT:

    NOT A FUMBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE

    Refs on orders to try to help Jac, and oh boy, did they ever right there, calling it a fumble, when it was very clear Lewis had it trapped up against his leg with no movement which means he still maintained possession. Only when he was clearly down, did Jack steal it. Down by contact, play over, no fumble.

    Plain as day. The arrogance of the media and troll fans to want rules changed during the game to try to harm the Pats, just because people want harm done to the Pats.

  86. While the fumble play was a close call that could almost go either way, I don’t fault the officials for blowing the whistle for down by contact. What I do fault the officials for is not calling any penalties on the Patriots at all. I recall two instances on critical drives where I blurted out “holding” on the Pats offensive line that weren’t called. While holding does happen on nearly every play, it’s the obvious ones that should be called. That the Pats weren’t called at all when I saw at least 2 blatant holds that extended drives for Brady is what shows me there was favoritism. Interestingly enough, I saw all kinds of memes before the game where people were mocking the officials favoritism of the Pats, and then it played out exactly like the memes. Interesting. Officials are going to get calls wrong and stuff is going to get missed. But to never see an infraction at all for one team on offense or defense while the other team is called several times makes one wonder.

  87. I don’t blame Jags fans for being salty. I probably would be too. You lose all sense of objectivity when you lose a tough game that ends your season.

    Non Jag fan Patriot Hater on the other hand… LOL @ you. The more excruciating a Patriot victory is, the better.

    You’re NOTHING compared to us. You’ll NEVER deserve to be on OUR level so stop thinking you are.

    Cheers!

  88. I wonder if anyone realizes that all of this whining and crying about this call or that call is actually not going to change a darn thing. The Jags ain’t going to the Super Bowl in 2 weeks no matter how much you complain. Sorry that I’m not sorry.

  89. Any of you guys whining about the refs have a comment about Cooks getting mugged by two guys on the long pass attempt in the 3rd quarter? Textbook PI not called, should have been a 45 yard penalty.

    It’s like selective amnesia and any lame attempt to explain how NE could be so dominant for so long. Must be cheating, must be the refs, yet they win at the same rate year in and year out.

    Hey, I have an alternative explanation: Best coach and QB in NFL history doing what they do.

  90. harrisonhits2 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:09 am
    “It is sickening how much kraft has paid the refs off.”

    I have to laugh whenever people make this ludicrous claim about any team paying off the refs. The refs are paid something like 175k a year from the league. The reason why they have been “part time” is they are all successful businessmen, attorneys, etc who have made an awful lot of money already in their lives.

    Not one of these guys needs any “pay offs”

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    Not to mention the fact that in 18 years not one single ref has leaked anything about NE getting preferential treatment.

    How many refs have there been in 18 years? How many were fired or left on bad terms? Yet not a single one of them has ever hinted at the slightest bit of impropriety? C’mon now.

    If there’s one thing we know about the NFL, it’s that they can’t contain leaks. If there was anything to this silly claim, we would have heard about it by now.

  91. Before game: cheetahs gonna lose!
    After game: impossible to beat the cheetahs and der refs!

    This is how haters think they are always right, when in fact they are always wrong.

  92. Why have refs? Time to adopt AI coupled HD cameras and robots networked via satellite and NFL-blockchain to NY. Make everything for all 32 teams whistled dead electronically from the commissioner’s office. What could possibly go wrong?

  93. Someone had mentioned that it was borderline if it was a fumble at all, I will offer this. No one, and I mean no one takes a hand off with the ball pinned to their thigh with their hand – nor would you continue to run like that. UNLESS you were actually fumbling the ball, whether it be a bad hand off, or in this case someone jarring the ball loose. So please stop that this wasn’t a fumble. There is a huge lack of common sense from the league regarding this kind of stuff, especially with catches.

  94. Regardless of when he actually gained control the second he began to take control from Lewis’s hand, by rule he is down by contact. This has been explained by all officials on twitter (@footballzebras for example).

  95. If Jags fans want to cry about something, cry about the awful conservative play calls in the 4th quarter. They didn’t let Bortles throw when needed and just ran on 3rd downs. Bortles did everything necessary to win for 3 quarters and was playing well when the OC pulled the rug from under him in the 4th. The Pats sniffed that out and just stacked the box. Game over.

  96. harrisonhits2 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:09 am

    “It is sickening how much kraft has paid the refs off.”

    I have to laugh whenever people make this ludicrous claim about any team paying off the refs.
    _____________________________________

    It’s even funnier when you picture the bidding war they must imagine goes on.
    It’s amazing there isn’t a tin foil shortage during football season.

  97. It doesn’t matter what was called. The Patriots would have won anyway. They had the ball for the final 1:50 of the game. If they had had to score another touchdown, they would have.

  98. You know what also could have happened when Jack recovered the fumble? Jacksonville could have used that great defensive play and the momentum it created to go down and score a TD to put them up by three scores, but instead 3 and out and punt. Boo the f hoo.

    Ask this instead. What if the Jags didn’t turtle up and on first down run Fournette to Bortles left every time they got the ball with a measly 10 point lead? 10 points against a Pats team that overcame a 25 point deficit in the Superbowl last year. Against a Pats team everyone knows won’t give up. Not turtle up against a Pats team with Tom Brady on it.

    This game reminded me of what could have happened in both Giants-Patriots superbowls. Pats up with a couple minutes to go in the game and Eli and the Giants move down the field for the game winning touchdown. The Jags could have done that. They did move the ball when they were in attack mode the last series, but would have had a better chance at winning if they were in attack mode until the clock struck zero.

    But it’s easier to blame refs and call the Pats cheaters.

  99. eagleswin says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:39 am
    345snarkavenue says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:34 am
    if Lewis had been ruled down by contact initially, and then challenged by the Jags, that call also would have stood. It was that close.

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    Incorrect. The fumble was clearly out before before he went down. It was not close. The only question was did he regain control for a second as he hit the ground and then lost the ball to Jack.

    The refs blew the whistle quickly yes but let’s look at the big picture. First, we can debate all day if Lewis was down with control. I say he was, ball pinned to his leg like, ya know, a helmet catch. Some say he wasn’t. Fine, I say the refs (or NY) didn’t overturn as they should have and gave the ball to JAX so they wouldn’t lose their minds over having a fumble taken away and a possible TD run as well.

    And the PI on Cooks, seriously? It’s OK now to grab a receiver by the head and push him ourt of bounds while the ball is in the air?

  100. 1 Penalty on the Patriots which was the lowest in the History of an AFC Championship game …And the prior lowest was guess who ??? The Patriots in 2011 AFC Championship Game … That tells you everything you need to know.

    Patriots – Refs – CHEATERS

  101. Jags got robbed, by the time Jack had possession of the ball, he was far away near the sideline. What is the purpose of instant replay? Why not let the play go, and then review it if any doubt. Why the quick whistle, it’s not like Brady was in any danger of getting hurt. Patriots will never be true champions without some controversy or assistance from the refs.

  102. FIXED!!! Patsies always win I will be BOYCOTTING THIS JOKE SUPERBOWL!!! I also will be cancelling my 20 years of Sunday ticket too!!! done with the NFL & the FIXING!!!

  103. Patriots games are getting to be like political debates. Immediately after a Patriots victory the loser is out “spinning” how they really won.

  104. When I saw the replay my thought was that it was probably not even a fumble, but the ruling would stand. Peter King makes the same point. If there was no fumble called on the field, the ruling would also have stood. Both the fumble and touchdown calls are coin flips, and it went for the Jags on the first and against on the second. The Jags were given the opportunity to score and seal the game on a coin flip call. What else can they ask for?

  105. realpatsfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:25 am
    Whining and crying losers, you lost so go home and watch the Super Bowl on TV.
    If you win you get to go, it’s that simple.

    Honest Question, besides patriots fans, who would want to watch them play in the super bowl? They have been there soooooo much. Kind of tired of it. I can understand pats fans being happy, but why would anyone else be?

  106. htown1035 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:22 am
    Sorry, but there’s no way any football team legitimately can go an entire game without a single penalty, let alone just one on special teams.
    ======================
    We know this based on the zero ST penalties by the Jags?

  107. The league fabricates and embellishes two cheating scandals against the Patriots based on a complete fraud and lies, steals two first rounders, suspends the face of the franchise and perhaps the league and drags his name and his legacy through the mud and the courts and gets labelled a cheater by the commissioner of the league.

    And now we are supposed to believe the league loves the Patriots and ordered the refs to help the Patriots win.

    You can’t make this up folks. It really is so easy to laugh at Patriot Hater and their inane logic. 🙂

  108. Rob says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:34 am
    Boomer said it best, “It’s Gillette Stadium, so the flags have to come out”.

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    Yeah< I heard him say that too. But he failed to specify a single bad call. As a professional on the air I expect more from him. Lost some respect for him as an analyst for that kind of crap.

    In fact the only call any of the analysts seem to the think was a little iffy was the interference call along the sideline when cooks was pushed out of bounds. That was an easy call for the refs and has to be called. C'mon people, the Jags were all over the Pats receivers and only the blatant stuff got called. Could have been much uglier.

  109. If they’re instructed to make the call they see on the field, why so many clear errors? How are they seeing things that didn’t happen so often? They’re not calling only what they see; they often call what they think most likely happened based on what they think they might have seen. It’s not good enough.

  110. I watched the entire game. I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary. I say the refs called a pretty solid game. The fact of the matter is the Jaguars were outplayed. Simple as that.

  111. Remember that time when the Patriots won a big game and the rest of the country didn’t turn into psychopaths? Remember that time when the opposing players just admitted that they didn’t make enough plays and congratulated the Patriots? Me either.

  112. kcflake says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:51 am
    realpatsfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:25 am
    Whining and crying losers, you lost so go home and watch the Super Bowl on TV.
    If you win you get to go, it’s that simple.

    Honest Question, besides patriots fans, who would want to watch them play in the super bowl? They have been there soooooo much. Kind of tired of it. I can understand pats fans being happy, but why would anyone else be?

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    Anyone that wants to see the best. That should include any real NFL fan. Unless of course you are into participation trophies. C’mon man!

  113. MAY HAVE???

    Refs help NE yet again.

    Wash, rinse, repeat.

    Several of us watching the game predicted when the nonsense would begin (2nd quarter when NE couldn’t move the ball on their own all half) and lo and behold…

  114. PatriotsSystemDynasty says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:00 am
    I watched the entire game. I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary. I say the refs called a pretty solid game. The fact of the matter is the Jaguars were outplayed. Simple as that.
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    No, the Jaguars were just PLAYED (by the refs).

  115. Lamar Flores Jr. says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:47 am
    1 Penalty on the Patriots which was the lowest in the History of an AFC Championship game …And the prior lowest was guess who ??? The Patriots in 2011 AFC Championship Game … That tells you everything you need to know.

    Patriots – Refs – CHEATERS

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    Or, the more likely explanation is that the Patriots play a more disciplined brand of football.

  116. One ref laughing it up on a TD with Pats players and another ref patting Tom on the back are 2 telling the truth vid’s in todays N.Y. Post that are hard to ignore.

  117. I wanted the Jags to win too. I think the one PI call at the end of the first half should be a non-call in that game, but the officials are not why Jacksonville lost. Jacksonville couldn’t stop a 3rd and 18 and didn’t make enough plays on offense in the 4th quarter when they had chances to drain the clock. The Pats made the plays in crunch time and Jacksonville didn’t. That’s what happened.

  118. I thought Lewis was down by contact but who cares what I think?

    It wasn’t that complicated. Lewis is on the ground fighting for the ball with Jack who was also on the ground. ON. THE. GROUND. Regardless of who came up with it, they were on the ground touching one another. That’s down by contact!

  119. Esiason must have been cut off from Foxvorough for him to be on Goodell’s payroll to make it seem like something happened in the game to hurt Jax on the calls.

    If anything, Jax’s maul jobs on the Pats receivers, with barely anly flags at all, with how they play, and the fact if NE did that in their secondary, there’d be flags on every down, was far worse than any perceived wrongdoing against Jax.

    Holy mackerel are people and some teams whiny. This is why they’re loser franchises.

    Do non Pats fans know how many genuinely creepy calls have gone against NE for a decade now?

    Lewis didn’t even fumble and everyone acted like he did. NE was ROBBBED during their attempt at a comeback.

    The arrogance of the media and talking heads, lying, over and over.

  120. Peter King in his MMQB column argues that the call was wrong because Lewis pinned the ball to his hip and was down by contact with the ball not moving, so it was the Patriots who were robbed.

    It was an outcome that benefitted the Jags, for sure.

    I’d also like clarification as to whether Jack needs to be touched only after he has gained full control, or just at any point where he was in the process of gaining control. AS he was ripping it out, he was touching Lewis for sure.

  121. More fuel for the Jags Pity party or the Patriot haters crying Jag ( pun intended). What makes you think that Brady couldn’t have brought them back from a 17 point deficit? The jags played a good game. They are young. They could be back in the situation again. The patriots are built for situations like this, and it showed again. It appears that the Jaguars did a lot of chirping while ahead by 10. Played right into our hands….

  122. Honest Question, besides patriots fans, who would want to watch them play in the super bowl?
    __

    Honest answer: A true football fan would want the Pats to be in it if their team can’t because the Patriots have been involved in the closest most entertaining SB’s. They all have gone down to the wire with the winning team producing the game winning plays in the waning moments.

  123. LyinRogerMustGo says:

    January 22, 2018 at 9:54 am

    pftidbro says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:48 am
    LyinRogerMustGo says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:44 am
    Sorry cupcakes. Lewis was on him as soon as the turnover happened. They were both down already. And when he rolled away, he also got tagged by Lewis, it was unmistakeable.
    Textbook down by contact.
    Any other opinion is flat out wrong and not worth discussing.“””
    You are wrong and obviously are unfamiliar with the rule

    I’m afraid not.
    Maybe you don’t like the rule but the rules are the rules. Learn the game.””

    Uh Jack didn’t gain control of the ball until after he rolled free of the Pats player. The initial contact caused the fumble, it didn’t happen after Jack took the ball. From the point where Jack had possession of the ball no Pats player touched him. Simply watch the replay I guess.

  124. “no one takes a hand off with the ball pinned to their thigh with their hand”

    … and no one goes up intending to catch a passed ball using one hand and his helmet.

    What’s your point, exactly?

  125. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:03 am
    MAY HAVE???
    Refs help NE yet again.
    Wash, rinse, repeat.
    Several of us watching the game predicted when the nonsense would begin (2nd quarter when NE couldn’t move the ball on their own all half) and lo and behold…


    You: Patriots won’t make the AFC Championship game.
    You: Jaguars will win.

    Such genius….such a paragon of football knowledge… 😀

  126. “I recall two instances on critical drives where I blurted out “holding” on the Pats offensive line that weren’t called. While holding does happen on nearly every play, it’s the obvious ones that should be called. That the Pats weren’t called at all when I saw at least 2 blatant holds that extended drives for Brady is what shows me there was favoritism”

    Go back and look at the Jags first couple scoring drives. There were repeated instances of Jags Olinemen tackling and pushing a Pats pass rusher from behind. How come none of the people complaining mention those penalties that weren’t called? If they didn’t call them on the Jags, they’re not calling them on the Pats either.

  127. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:04 am
    PatriotsSystemDynasty says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:00 am
    I watched the entire game. I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary. I say the refs called a pretty solid game. The fact of the matter is the Jaguars were outplayed. Simple as that.
    —————–

    No, the Jaguars were just PLAYED (by the refs).

    #crybaby
    #excusemaker

    When all fails blame the refs

    I guess it was the refs that caused Jacksonville to get the delay penalty after the TO

    I guess it was the refs that caused Jacksonville to get the illegal shift penalty

    I guess it was the refs that let Brady complete a 21 yard pass on 3rd and 18

    I guess it was the refs that shut down the NFLs top running game

    I guess it was the refs that made Ramsey put his arm around Cooks neck when the ball was in the air

    I guess it was the refs that made Jacksonville take a knee at the end of the 2 Q with 55 seconds and 3 TO

    And for the record
    Zero penalties on Jacksonville the last 2 Patriots scoring drives

  128. dualprime says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:09 am
    I thought Lewis was down by contact but who cares what I think?
    It wasn’t that complicated. Lewis is on the ground fighting for the ball with Jack who was also on the ground. ON. THE. GROUND. Regardless of who came up with it, they were on the ground touching one another. That’s down by contact!


    Yep. And the clear and unmistakeable tag by Lewis after Jack rolled away sealed the deal.

  129. dmca12
    Jan 22, 2018, 11:08 AM EST
    I wanted the Jags to win too. I think the one PI call at the end of the first half should be a non-call in that game, but the officials are not why Jacksonville lost. Jacksonville couldn’t stop a 3rd and 18 and didn’t make enough plays on offense in the 4th quarter when they had chances to drain the clock. The Pats made the plays in crunch time and Jacksonville didn’t. That’s what happened.
    ————————————————————
    Is Myles Jack not on the Jags? Did he make that play that if called correctly would have been a TD? Spare me the jags didn’t make a play when the guy actually made a play and got it taken away from him.

  130. So the NFL is in the Patriots pocket … do I really have to remind the conspiracy theorists that the QB was suspended for 4 games over air pressure … but tell me again that the NFL favors the Patriots

  131. Well, Jacksonville had the ball though. Why didn’t they march down the field and score?

  132. haansel82 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:56 am
    The eagles defense knows it can stop Tom, but your Pats defense that is clearly worse than the vikings… how do you stop this from being a blow out?
    ____________________________________________________

    The Pats D will show up and do their job, unlike the Vikings D that did neither.

  133. Spare me the jags didn’t make a play when the guy actually made a play and got it taken away from him.


    Yeah those pesky rules regarding down by contact are annoying.

    🙂

  134. pftidbro says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:13 am
    LyinRogerMustGo says:

    January 22, 2018 at 9:54 am

    pftidbro says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:48 am
    LyinRogerMustGo says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:44 am
    Sorry cupcakes. Lewis was on him as soon as the turnover happened. They were both down already. And when he rolled away, he also got tagged by Lewis, it was unmistakeable.
    Textbook down by contact.
    Any other opinion is flat out wrong and not worth discussing.“””
    You are wrong and obviously are unfamiliar with the rule

    I’m afraid not.
    Maybe you don’t like the rule but the rules are the rules. Learn the game.””

    Uh Jack didn’t gain control of the ball until after he rolled free of the Pats player. The initial contact caused the fumble, it didn’t happen after Jack took the ball. From the point where Jack had possession of the ball no Pats player touched him. Simply watch the replay I guess.

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    Afraid not. Down by contact begins the moment he starts the process, not when he gains control. Seeing as he ripped the ball out of Lewis hands, pretty good chance that’s where contact occurred.

  135. lyfordjr says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:15 am
    “no one takes a hand off with the ball pinned to their thigh with their hand”

    … and no one goes up intending to catch a passed ball using one hand and his helmet.

    What’s your point, exactly?
    ___________________________________________________________________

    My point is he is clearly fumbling the ball. You don’t run (note this wasn’t a passing play) with the ball like that, its either a bad hand off or your fumbling it. In this case it was a run play, was hit on his arm and jarred the ball loose. He is fumbling.

  136. The same thing happened to the Patriots in Denver in 2013 with a backwards Peyton Manning pass they blew dead. Jamie Collins would have had a TD, but the play was blown dead and changed all momentum. The Jaguars still got the ball back in the 4th quarter and had a 10 point lead with their premier defense. No excuses need to be made, just great plays by Brady, Amendola, James Harrison, and Stephon Gilmore. The D Line of Jax got tired and they had multiple opportunities to win the game. Church maliciously took the best player off the Patriots and they still came back. Playing through kneel downs and acting like idiots. No one feels sorry for them. Just like the refs helped out with the PI call? Romo on TV said it was a clear PI and you can’t extend your arms to push the receiver to the sideline. Where were the refs on Myles Jack late hit on White? If I told Jags fans they’d have a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter with 10 minutes left and a 3rd and 18, they would take it 100/100 times. They still lost. Stop crying.

  137. “Shouldn’t the Patriots be stripped of the championship when they taped the Rams practices? How do they get a win for a game they cheated in?”

    The practices they never taped and the claim was just another fabrication? The claim that the Boston Herald had to retract on its front page and fire the author for making?

    Here’s a clue for you. 100 million dollar corporations, or whatever the Herald was worth at the time don’t retract stories when doing so leaves them open to a massive lawsuit, unless they have very very good reason to make the retraction.

  138. I’m afraid not.
    Maybe you don’t like the rule but the rules are the rules. Learn the game.””
    Uh Jack didn’t gain control of the ball until after he rolled free of the Pats player. The initial contact caused the fumble, it didn’t happen after Jack took the ball. From the point where Jack had possession of the ball no Pats player touched him. Simply watch the replay I guess.

    Yes, Lewis did. He tagged him with his arm.

    The ref was right to keep the call as is. Fact, not opinion. It was that obvious.

  139. I wanted the Jags to win too. I think the one PI call at the end of the first half should be a non-call in that game, but the officials are not why Jacksonville lost. Jacksonville couldn’t stop a 3rd and 18 and didn’t make enough plays on offense in the 4th quarter when they had chances to drain the clock. The Pats made the plays in crunch time and Jacksonville didn’t. That’s what happened.
    ————————————————————
    Is Myles Jack not on the Jags? Did he make that play that if called correctly would have been a TD? Spare me the jags didn’t make a play when the guy actually made a play and got it taken away from him.

    —————————————————————————————-

    Okay. What about stopping 3rd and 18 or making a first down?

  140. One thing I will guarantee: IF the SB is close in the second half, there will be some questionable calls favoring the Patriots until such time as they win. Go to Vegas and put a bunch of money on it.

  141. haansel82 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:56 am
    The eagles defense knows it can stop Tom, but your Pats defense that is clearly worse than the vikings… how do you stop this from being a blow out?

    —-

    Really the 17 ranked pass D know how to do it

    He’s already picked apart the #1 the #4 and #5 but the 17th ranked D is gonna do it?

  142. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:21 am
    Spare me the jags didn’t make a play when the guy actually made a play and got it taken away from him.


    Yeah those pesky rules regarding down by contact are annoying.

    🙂
    ———————————————
    Post a photo that proves he was touched after he gained possession. You can’t it doesn’t exist.

    🙂

  143. The PI calls against the Jags were laughable and this early whistle was inexcusable because there was no reason to blow it. Jack would most likely would have scored. The ref also failed to call a PI against New England on 4th down and it happened right in front of his face.

    The refs have to stay in the moment and be engaged every play. They clearly don’t. Regardless of who you rooted for in this game we all deserve better.

    Having said that Jacksonville went into a shell offensively seemingly content to exchanging punts . They also made some bone-headed mistakes such as the delay of game penalty coming out of the time out. Can’t do that against an experienced team like New England and expect to win.

  144. Patriots offensive line was holding their you know what’s off…..that was Belichecks halftime adjustment. 10-1 ratio in penalties….come on man….

  145. If a player can go to the ground with a ball pinned to his helmet, why exactly can a player not secure a ball to his hip? An iffy call.

    And yet, Jack should have kept running and the Jags could have challenged whether he was down. It was an immature play.

  146. idislikespeciousness says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:12 am
    Honest Question, besides patriots fans, who would want to watch them play in the super bowl?
    __

    Honest answer: A true football fan would want the Pats to be in it if their team can’t because the Patriots have been involved in the closest most entertaining SB’s. They all have gone down to the wire with the winning team producing the game winning plays in the waning moments.

    1 1 Rate This

    UM NO!

  147. 13xworldchamps says:

    January 22, 2018 at 11:34 am

    Patriots offensive line was holding their you know what’s off…..that was Belichecks halftime adjustment. 10-1 ratio in penalties….come on man….

    ==============

    Jags benefitted from a couple non-called PI’s, one on Gronk roughing play and another obvious one against Hogan. And Lewis fumble was iffy at best. Refs weren’t perfect for Pats either.

  148. username5891 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:31 am
    LyinRogerMustGo says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:21 am
    Spare me the jags didn’t make a play when the guy actually made a play and got it taken away from him.

    Yeah those pesky rules regarding down by contact are annoying.
    🙂
    ———————————————
    Post a photo that proves he was touched after he gained possession. You can’t it doesn’t exist.


    I can’t post photos here.

    Watch the replay chief. It was that obvious.

    🙂

  149. kcflake says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:51 am
    realpatsfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:25 am
    Whining and crying losers, you lost so go home and watch the Super Bowl on TV.
    If you win you get to go, it’s that simple.

    Honest Question, besides patriots fans, who would want to watch them play in the super bowl? They have been there soooooo much. Kind of tired of it. I can understand pats fans being happy, but why would anyone else be?
    __________________________________________________________________

    Who’s forcing you or anyone else to be happy? If you think its fixed or if it bores you and therefore don’t want to watch, don’t. There are fans of 30 other teams who are unhappy their team didn’t make the SB. Many will choose to root for one of the teams that made it for one game. Many others will choose not to watch. Others will go to a SB party and enjoy the company. Why does it have to be so complicated?

  150. username5891 says:

    January 22, 2018 at 11:19 am

    dmca12
    Jan 22, 2018, 11:08 AM EST
    I wanted the Jags to win too. I think the one PI call at the end of the first half should be a non-call in that game, but the officials are not why Jacksonville lost. Jacksonville couldn’t stop a 3rd and 18 and didn’t make enough plays on offense in the 4th quarter when they had chances to drain the clock. The Pats made the plays in crunch time and Jacksonville didn’t. That’s what happened.
    ————————————————————
    Is Myles Jack not on the Jags? Did he make that play that if called correctly would have been a TD? Spare me the jags didn’t make a play when the guy actually made a play and got it taken away from him.

    ===========

    Jack made a great play (although fumble call was iffy, ball looked pinned to Lewis’ hip) and then made an immature play. If he keeps running, Jags can challenge it.

  151. The only thing more stupid than saying the Patriots cheat is saying that the refs help them win.

    Oh, and Saxonville only had 3 penalties in their game against the Steelers, so it looks like the refs were paid off on that game too.

  152. “This play was blown dead, and it may have cost the Jaguars a touchdown that could have been the difference between a loss and a trip to the Super Bowl.

    The “difference” was that the Jags couldn’t move the ball in the second half. Fournette was completely pedestrian. The long, clock draining drives of the first half went away as the Pats D tightened up and played better. Jags offense didn’t close the game out, simple as that.

  153. This would be a non-issue if the NFL revised their rule to match HS & College rules — if a player is on the ground, he is down & the play is over even if not touched by an opponent. That would solve a lot of these “was he touched down or not” controversies.

    This is an example of how the NFL could simplify the rulebook in order to make the game easier to officiate.

  154. Tough to argue a delay of game, Church’s helmet to helmet, Illegal motion, Jalen Ramsey Mauling cooks, Romo on TV said blatant PI. Let’s think about the actual penalties before exhibiting bias attribution. The Jaguars offensive line was holding a lot of the game too, but since the Patriots actually won, no one cares to go online and dig up the footage there right? Maybe the ref was laughing at a celebration on the field. Do they have to be robots? And yes, these refs know the players on both sides very well, as only a few officiate during the season. It is OK to congratulate a player. Is there a rule against this? Once again, bias attribution…

  155. jags32250 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:37 am
    Sorry but the Jags were the better team and won that game. Yet another asterisk!

    The last I checked there were 2 categories that looked something like this. W or L. which means win or lose. I don’t see the Jaguars under the W category. Maybe I missed something.

  156. “Sorry but the Jags were the better team and won that game.”

    Hilarious. No, no they weren’t the better team. And no, they didn’t win the game. You might as well let that fantasy slip away because in 2 weeks the Pats, not the Jags will be in the Super Bowl

  157. beachsidejames says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:44 am
    For every one yard the Pats where charged in penalties the Jags were charged 10 times that
    —-
    Hence, the Patriots move on and the Jaguars aren’t.

    It’s not rocket science.

  158. I watched the replay. Jack didn’t have full control until after his body swung away from Lewis, and was not touched after that. However, there’s no way the ref could have seen that. Ref made a judgement call and can’t be blamed for it. It was definitely not a call to help NE win. If they could negate whistle calls I guarantee they woukd have. The only time Lewis touched him was as jack was taking the ball away but once full possession was in place, it didn’t happen.
    I’m not even sure the ref knew who Lewis didn’t have it as he blew the whistle

  159. “The PI calls against the Jags were laughable”

    So putting Cooks in a choke hold is acceptable? The PIs would have been called by any crew in any game. Same for the one they pushed him out of bounds and kept him yards away from where he was supposed to be, which is illegal to do.

    The only thing laughable going on is the childish responses here about blatant penalties.

  160. He was down. I could see an argument that it wasn’t even a fumble, but whatever it was called on the field was going to stand. Defensive touchdown was not an option.

    The Jags didn’t get hosed, they got beat. Great season, but it is what it is.

  161. yankeemofo says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:28 am
    The Giants o-line held like crazy on the “Helmet Catch” play…you don’t hear me(or most Pats’ fans) complaining about that.

    Knock it off, already…
    ————–

    Are you kidding me? That was literally all I heard from patriots fans for a month after that game.

  162. yet, Jack should have kept running and the Jags could have challenged whether he was down. It was an immature play.

    No
    He stopped running cause the whistle blew. Nothing to challenge

  163. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:37 am
    username5891 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:31 am
    LyinRogerMustGo says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:21 am
    Spare me the jags didn’t make a play when the guy actually made a play and got it taken away from him.

    Yeah those pesky rules regarding down by contact are annoying.
    🙂
    ———————————————
    Post a photo that proves he was touched after he gained possession. You can’t it doesn’t exist.


    I can’t post photos here.

    Watch the replay chief. It was that obvious.

    🙂
    ——————————-
    Funny how all the pat fans went to science class and researched PSI, but can’t find photographically evidence that shows Jack was touched after he gained possession or can’t research the rules of down by contact on a fumble recovery.

  164. Not that I agree with how NFL interprets these plays, but as Jack was “contacted” to ground he needs to establish position prior to being deemed to have possession. I have seen so many times where interception is returned to spot of contact despite ball being intercepted after the contact had concluded.

    While I don’t care for how the Pats benefit from so many bad calls, I think the refs got this one correctly.

  165. onebuffalove716 says:

    January 22, 2018 at 11:53 am

    yet, Jack should have kept running and the Jags could have challenged whether he was down. It was an immature play.

    No
    He stopped running cause the whistle blew. Nothing to challenge

    ==========

    Actually that happens. YES

  166. Yeah….it gets kind of tiring to listen to all the banter all week, and then watch the poor sportsmanship after the game. Always someone else’s fault. Bouye clearly held Cooks’ arm down on that pass play in the 4Q, but there was no call. Carroll could have been ejected on the helmet to helmet, but he wasn’t. There were close calls that could have gone either way that didn’t go in favor of NE as well. Good young team with a bright future. It would have looked better on Jacksonville just to say “We’ll be back next year”, and leave it at that.

    Jacksonville defense took an aggressive posture on every play to try to intimidate the Patriots offense, and it nearly worked. Odds are that it might have had something to do with the penalties though. Think about it.

  167. I don’t agree at all with the thought that officials should just let everything play out. There can be unintended consequences to this mindset, injuries included on such list. Another unintended consequence can
    occur when there is a penalty that can not be undone, such as taunting or inappropriate celebration in the endzone after a td following one of those “let it play out” occurrences.

    Finally, I am 97% sure the Jack recovery was ruled correctly, yet had officials “let it play out” I am not sure that there would have been the needed 100% VISUAL certainty to reverse the decision of a clean live recovery. Think about the preceding statement.

    If any doubt, let it play out. But if official is certain of what he saw the play should be immediately killed.

  168. From @footballzebras:
    “13:53 | 4th qtr. Looking back to the fumble recovery by the Jaguars early in the 4th quarter, there is a question as to whether Myles Jack is down by contact.

    Whenever a ball is stripped from a player in possession on the ground, it is down by contact and no fumble. In this case, the ball was not in possession but taken from an opponent’s hands, so this is deemed as “contact” by the Patriots as Jack begins to take control.

    Is it possible that there was no hand-to-hand contact? Yes, but there is no way that can be perceived, so the officials are instructed to treat this as down by contact.

    The contact, by the way, only has to occur when a player is beginning to secure the ball. It is held until the player finishes establishing control, and is dead at that point.

    This was correctly ruled as down by contact on the recovery.”

  169. Jags fan here.
    I was always told win with class and lose with class. Refs are part of the game. Yeah we should dislike the calls, but the game is over. Let it go. All the haters on the Pats arm like jealous children. They have owned the NFL for years. It helps when you have the best qb of all time and the best coach ever.
    First off season I am excited to see what next year brings. Jags finally should be competitive. When you are competitive, anything is possible.

  170. Once Jack recovers the ball while ON THE GROUND, he is down by contact, even though at the time no patriots are touching him. That’s the rule. He WAS touched by a pats player as part of the play where he fell to the ground and got control of the ball. That’s down by contact. Even though by the time he had control, no one was touching him.

  171. Don’t let Brady convert 3rd and 18 with minutes to play… You don’t lose the game. Plain and simple

  172. I’m trying to get every loser genius logic story straight this time around, so bear with me…

    Kraft pays off the refs
    The league pays off the refs
    The ever popular, laziest one – they somehow cheated (even though no one saw how – I guess everybody is just that blind, you know, millions of people)
    The hand injury was made up (for what possible advantage, I can’t imagine)

    It’s morphed over the years as everyone scrambles to make new excuses and they somehow do get crazier. I didn’t think that was possible.

    That ought to do it for now.

    Oh yeah, I almost forgot. The Patriots won because they’re better.

    I find it funny that the answer has been in front of your face all along – and you missed it again.

  173. Lewis NEVER lost possession: the ball shifted from Jack’s blow but Lewis still had the ball pinned against his leg by his wrist when his knee hit the ground.

    Never should have been ruled a fumble.

  174. The officials didn’t do the Jaguars any favors. The Patriots committed more than 1 single penalty, but they weren’t called for them.

    Funny then how the same team that had the fewest calls go against them in a championship, in over a half a decade, got congratulated by the same refs after the game.

  175. “The only thing laughable going on is the childish responses here about blatant penalties”.

    —————————————
    Yes, laughable. But they didn’t decide the game. The Pats won it.

  176. kenberthiaume says:
    January 22, 2018 at 12:10 pm
    Once Jack recovers the ball while ON THE GROUND, he is down by contact, even though at the time no patriots are touching him. That’s the rule. He WAS touched by a pats player as part of the play where he fell to the ground and got control of the ball. That’s down by contact. Even though by the time he had control, no one was touching him.
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    By this logic hypothetically Jack could strip the ball and it rolls 3 yards away. Jack crawls to the ball but stays on the ground to recover it. My question is: once he recovers it he is instantly down by contact and is not allowed to get up? I really wonder what people are watching sometimes. Every time I’ve seen a fumble the player is not down until he gets possession not process of possession.

  177. lukedunphysscienceproject says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:52 am

    Are you kidding me? That was literally all I heard from patriots fans for a month after that game.
    ————————

    Yeah, ten years ago. Meanwhile, Raider Island still complains about a call in a game that was played nearly 20 years ago.

  178. FoozieGrooler says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:53 am
    Rule 64b in the NFL Rule Book:
    “When in doubt, always rule in favor of the Patriots.”

    Little known fact, 64b has been around a long time. It was written in for the Steelers when they drafted Bradshaw.

  179. fireroger says:
    January 22, 2018 at 12:15 pm
    The ONLY reason the Jags were robbed on the Jack fumble recovery was the fact they went 3 and out immediately afterwards.
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    Yea 7 points…not important at all

  180. 4th quarter. The Pats down by 2 scores. Somehow the Jags won’t be able to do anything to stop what they’ve been stopping all day. And low and behold Tom starts flinging the ball all over the field. Yellow flags hit the turf and there you have it, another perfectly executed NFL scripted ending. It is an old story that keeps playing itself over year after year.

  181. username5891 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 12:28 pm
    kenberthiaume says:
    January 22, 2018 at 12:10 pm
    Once Jack recovers the ball while ON THE GROUND, he is down by contact, even though at the time no patriots are touching him. That’s the rule. He WAS touched by a pats player as part of the play where he fell to the ground and got control of the ball. That’s down by contact. Even though by the time he had control, no one was touching him.
    ———————————————
    By this logic hypothetically Jack could strip the ball and it rolls 3 yards away. Jack crawls to the ball but stays on the ground to recover it. My question is: once he recovers it he is instantly down by contact and is not allowed to get up? I really wonder what people are watching sometimes. Every time I’ve seen a fumble the player is not down until he gets possession not process of possession.

    ________________

    No he is not down. He has now fumbled the ball himself.
    The difference is that Jack never “lost possession” of the ball on this play from start to finish. The ball did not hit the ground. Therefore the original contact carried right through.

    Honestly, I wonder how desperate people are to find anything to discredit a play sometimes, or ignore logical thinking.

  182. Jack is down by contact so long as he was contacted in the process of gaining possession, even if it happened before he fully gained it. That’s the rule and that clearly happened. Another faux controversy.

  183. But when asked about the play, the league office told PFT that officials are supposed to call what they see, and not let a play go just because they might get corrected on replay.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    That is the proper way to handle things BUT the officials often call what they do not actually see. Sometimes they guess. In the course of a game guesses are inevitable but on a play such as this, if the official did not actually see possession and then subsequent contact, the right thing to do is let it go. I believe that he stripped the ball before the runner was down and did not gain control until after he was away from the original ball carrier. It sucks for jags fans but that stuff happens all the time. It is apparently difficult for officials to distinguish between what they think happened from what they actually see happening. Regardless, it was a good game. Jags could have maintained aggressive play calls instead of generic runs on 1st and 2nd downs. Repeatedly giving the ball back without maintaining any semblance of a drive is why they lost.

  184. fireroger says:
    January 22, 2018 at 12:15 pm

    Yea 7 points…not important at all
    =====================
    Going 3 and out after recovering the fumble wasn’t either apparently.

  185. guitarkevin says:
    January 22, 2018 at 12:47 pm
    4th quarter. The Pats down by 2 scores. Somehow the Jags won’t be able to do anything to stop what they’ve been stopping all day. And low and behold Tom starts flinging the ball all over the field. Yellow flags hit the turf and there you have it, another perfectly executed NFL scripted ending. It is an old story that keeps playing itself over year after year.
    ================
    Interesting. How much laundry was on the field on the Pats last TD drive?

  186. I didn’t think it was a fumble. I’m not a Pats fan, I just could see – clearly – that Lewis had one hand on the ball and it was trapped against his hip, unmoving, at the point when he hit the ground.

    Regardless – the Jags got the ball and did nothing with it, and then they again had plenty of time on their last possession to move the ball down field and did nothing with it. The refs didn’t win this game for the Pats, the Jags got ultra-conservative in the second half and tried to sit on their lead.

  187. guitarkevin says:

    January 22, 2018 at 12:47 pm

    4th quarter. The Pats down by 2 scores. Somehow the Jags won’t be able to do anything to stop what they’ve been stopping all day. And low and behold Tom starts flinging the ball all over the field. Yellow flags hit the turf and there you have it, another perfectly executed NFL scripted ending. It is an old story that keeps playing itself over year after year.

    =========

    Yea nothing would heal the rating woes of the NFL like having Nick Foles make a Super Bowl instead of Drew Brees or Matt Ryan. And Jags got away with a few PIs that were not called and the Jack fumble was a very iffy call. If you can pin ball on your helmet (Tyree) or your leg (Baldwin), why can’t you pin it to your hip (D.Lewis)?

  188. What I’m really curious to know is what’s this alleged pass interference on the Patriots on the 4th down play, because all I remember is a pretty solid knockdown.

  189. A the Jags defender clearly pushed Cooks out of bounds, very obvious if you watched the play that’s PI or unsportsmanlike. Correct call.
    B Lewis never lost possession of the ball and was down prior to the ball coming out. The Pats were the ones robbed of a possible touchdown due to a bad call by the refs. The Jags did get the ball and did nothing with it.

  190. There is something fishy going on between Krafty Kraft his boy Tommy. Can’t quite work it out, I am sure your guess is as good as mine. But I have to say this call Brady a cheat, the GOAT whatever you want, I think we can all agree he is one tough cookie. Fair play to hiim.

  191. Man that game left a bad taste in my mouth. The Superbowl is definitely not appointment television this season. I’ll catch it if I catch it, but definitely not making any time for it or going out of my way to see it. The Pat’s are frauds and so is the NFL.

  192. How can you haters have it both ways- if the refs were in their pocket they would have called Lewis down, which I believe he was the ball was pinned to his body (no different than Tyree having the ball pinned to his head). but no they are so nefarious and quick thinking, the refs blew the play dead on change of possession knowing that the Jags would ultimately score and put the game most likely out of reach. Which is it?? Did the refs rule the Jags should take a knee with 53 seconds left in the first half? Did the refs force the Jags to turtle in the fourth quarter? Did the refs lift Gilmore up so he could block what would have been the game winning TD?

  193. hbk314 says:

    January 22, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    What I’m really curious to know is what’s this alleged pass interference on the Patriots on the 4th down play, because all I remember is a pretty solid knockdown.

    ========

    The other Jags player was grabbing him during the play and then fell at his legs well before the ball arrived. Then the other Jags player made the helmet to helmet hit

  194. Bottom line,the whistle was blown,Jacksonville took possession of the fumble and did NOTHING with it. Who is at fault for that? Not the Patriots… Who took a knee with 55 seconds left in the first half,instead of trying for more points? Who took a Delay of Game penalty right after a time out? Who is to blame? Not the Patriots… The Jags choked the game away. They played a great game,they have a great future,but at the end,they could not execute. You can’t just play not to lose against the Pats. You have to keep your foot on the gas,or they will find a way to beat you. They don’t have a secret pact with the refs,they didn’t cheat,they didn’t deflate any balls…they just WIN. This is history being made.

  195. Is Myles Jack not on the Jags? Did he make that play that if called correctly would have been a TD? Spare me the jags didn’t make a play when the guy actually made a play and got it taken away from him.

    ___

    If its a bang bang play like a lot of people are saying then maybe the ref who blew the whistle didnt know there was a fumble and was blowing it to end what he thought was Lewis being tackled.

    Stop wearing tin foil hats

  196. When you get the ball back and fail to score points you have nobody to blame but yourselves. Even if the refs got it wrong the Jags still had a chance to score. They didn’t.

  197. What are the chances that those who are screaming that the refs should have let the play go with replay as a safety net are the same folks that complain that replay is used too much? I’d guess the chances are pretty darn good.

  198. I’m with Peter King on this one. It wasn’t a fumble. Lewis still had control when he hit the ground. Giving the Jags the ball was a gift.

  199. The only people the Jags have to blame for losing are themselves. They gave a gift touchdown before halftime because of very poor clock and game management. They had two critical DPI’s and a 15 yard penalty in one of the dirtiest plays in playoff history. Enjoy the offseason. Don’t forget to watch the game in two weeks.

  200. There were two blatant holds going on by the Patriots’ offensive line on their last first down. That, to me, was emblematic of the entire reffing situation of this game. And Marqise Lee was held all day long.

  201. I hear a lot of whining from Pat haters today which only means wy boys did their job like only they could. Reason with this…if u hate The Patriots then u just hate success period! And u can tell who is scared of or hates success it’s all the whiners n excuse makers in here today!

  202. (Vince Vaugh voice) Let me break it down for you, real simple, so even a baby can understand:

    Jacks knocked the ball loose; at that point it’s a fumble. Lewis get control of the ball on the way to the ground; just like completing a pass, at that point he has control (pinned between his wrist and hip), but does not yet have possession. On the ground, Jack gets the ball from Lewis; that contact means that as soon as he has possession of the ball he is down by contact. (Lewis doesn’t have to touch him again, after he gets possession.)

    Not complicated when you break it down step by step right?

  203. fireroger says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:51 am

    htown1035 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:22 am
    Sorry, but there’s no way any football team legitimately can go an entire game without a single penalty, let alone just one on special teams.
    ======================
    We know this based on the zero ST penalties by the Jags?
    ———————-
    They had 6 total, which by my count is a lot more than just one. You must be a Pats fan since math is hard for you.

  204. “There were two blatant holds going on by the Patriots’ offensive line on their last first down.”

    And numerous holds by the Jags Oline, the refs weren’t call those on either team. If you look at the Jags first 2 scoring drives there were a number of plays where Pats pass rushers were tackled from behind by the Jags Oline, or had arms around their necks in clear holding.

    Why are you people only complaining about possible missed calls on the Pats, and not on both teams? If you were really concerned with a good quality of refereeing, you’d complain about all missed calls. But you have an agenda to discredit the Pats, so you don’t even bother looking at what the Jags got away with.

    That’s called a double standard by the way.

  205. Or the Patriots could have tackled him and he only would have gone an additional 10 yards or so. A guy can make it look like he’s going to get a touchdown when the guys who would have pursued him stop because the play is blown dead but he continues running.

    Just a lot of wishful thinking of best case scenarios for those who were hoping the Patriots lost.

    I mean, the Patriots could have stripped the ball from Jack as well, we know defensive players don’t always have the greatest technique to hold onto the ball. The whistle blew that possibility dead as well. Or the officials could have decided that holding the ball against the thigh was enough for possession. If you notice, it was after they hit the ground that Jack actually stripped the ball for the second time from between Lewis’s thigh and hand.

  206. First it was the “spying”….
    Next it was the “air pressure” in the football….
    Now it is “the refs”…

    Do #TheHaters ever stop their crying and complaining?

  207. Or it could b argued that the moment when Lewis had it trapped against his hip he was down with possession. Speaking for myself I can get over that call going against the Patriots. But some here are very committed to gaving a priblem other than facing reality. But the fact is if it had been a Jags playerin that position I am sure these same complainers would be saying the refs didnt whistle fast enough. We can dissect this forever on oyr quest to come up with some sort of gripe we might be able to have. But regardless of where this conversation goes the Pats still won that game and are advancing to the Superbowl. Nothing will change that so some of those might want to reassess how they expend their energy.

  208. Jack needs to shut his hole. He’s lucky the refs didn’t say anything about his WWE throw down of James White in the end zone well after he scored. Bunch of Nancies.

  209. The Refs The Refs I hate the Pats! I’m not watching the Super Bowl! I’m not watching football anymore! I’m only going to watch college football till the Patriots lose. I’m going to hold my breath until Tom Brady and Bill Belichick retire! The whining pathetic fans that post on here sound like 13 year old girls.

  210. The idea of a ref letting the play continue despite seeing what he saw or what he thinks he saw is just wrong-headed simply because so many reviews cannot “confirm” a ruling on the field but rather just let a ruling “stand”. To let a ruling “stand” means that the video review is inconclusive. It seems to me that “stand” is called about 50%, meaning video review is not all that reliable, hence the refs should blow the whistle when they think the play is over.

  211. Folks are entitled to their opinion, but down by contact is down by contact. I am still not convinced that it was ever really a fumble. Lewis’ knee was down and he still had it pinned to his body and not moving. Whatever. They choked on the possession and had to punt anyway.

  212. htown1035 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 3:57 pm

    They had 6 total, which by my count is a lot more than just one. You must be a Pats fan since math is hard for you.
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    And? You don’t need a whole ton of math to figure out that 1) all 6 of the Jags penalties were legit and 2) more than half of them were controllable by the Jags and showed zero bias towards the refs.

    I swear some of you are completely naive to the fact that almost all the home teams have the edge in penalties. News flash! It didn’t just happen in this last game and it certainly extends well beyond just this year. Care to guess who was the second least penalized team this year was? How about 2016? 2015?

  213. goawayeverybody says:
    January 22, 2018 at 3:19 pm
    There were two blatant holds going on by the Patriots’ offensive line on their last first down. That, to me, was emblematic of the entire reffing situation of this game. And Marqise Lee was held all day long.
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    How about the blatant hold by MLee on MButler on that swing pass to Grant?

    Don’t even get me started on CRobinson

  214. redsolocupdude says:
    January 22, 2018 at 5:10 pm
    Jack needs to shut his hole. He’s lucky the refs didn’t say anything about his WWE throw down of James White in the end zone well after he scored. Bunch of Nancies.
    ===========================
    This is what precipitated the “laughter” from the ref as the Pats celebrated. He was responding to Fleming pointing it out to which the ref responded “I know. I know”.

  215. So for ther 144th time, the Pats get the benefit of the call that likely decides the game, and their fans rush here to tell you how justified it was (‘you just don’t understand the rules!’). To wit:

    tylawspick6 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:54 am

    The refs should get some glasses or be fired. Lewis had the ball all the way to the ground before losing final possession while on the ground. Clear as day. Down by contact. No fumble.
    ———–

    1. Actually ty, you should take off your homer glasses. Lewis is clearly losing control on the way down, how else do you think Jack is able to strip him?

    2. Plus it doesn’t matter. The call on the field was a fumble. And since it was, there are only two possible outcomes 1) down by contact or 2) recovering player is untouched and free to advance the ball.

    Since Jack was clearly not touched, outcome #2 is in effect. The Jaguars wrongly get denied a sure TD return, and the wrong team likely goes to the Super Bowl.

  216. Jason Solinsky says:
    January 22, 2018 at 3:10 pm
    I’m with Peter King on this one. It wasn’t a fumble. Lewis still had control when he hit the ground. Giving the Jags the ball was a gift.
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    come back when you understand the game.
    keep crying, but your teams “dynasty” will never have the respect that it could have had, if they had not cheated their way to success.

  217. dyims says:
    January 23, 2018 at 11:32 am

    come back when you understand the game.
    keep crying, but your teams “dynasty” will never have the respect that it could have had, if they had not cheated their way to success.
    =========================
    Apparently that should include Peter King. Just sayin’

    All those tears are comforted by all those trophies. 😉

    What’s funny are the thousands of haters that still think Pats fans need their acceptance to legitimize the Pats dynasty. History is only going to cement it and then we’ll see who’s really crying. 🙂

  218. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    January 23, 2018 at 11:14 am

    1. Actually ty, you should take off your homer glasses. Lewis is clearly losing control on the way down, how else do you think Jack is able to strip him?

    2. Plus it doesn’t matter. The call on the field was a fumble. And since it was, there are only two possible outcomes 1) down by contact or 2) recovering player is untouched and free to advance the ball.

    Since Jack was clearly not touched, outcome #2 is in effect. The Jaguars wrongly get denied a sure TD return, and the wrong team likely goes to the Super Bowl.
    =============================
    Sorry but when you get ZERO points on the gift “fumble” you don’t get to declare the wrong team is going to the Super Bowl. Bad call? Do something about it. It’s really that simple.

  219. TheWizard says:
    January 22, 2018 at 3:41 pm
    Just beat them. Then you don’t have all these debates over details. Just beat them flat out.
    ===========
    the same can be said for the pats* who never dominate, just barely squeak by and are always getting these “gray” calls or non calls.
    so yes. just beat them. when will they just beat them without the help of the WWNFL?
    tainted legacy. P4L*

  220. ampatsisahypocrite says:

    January 23, 2018 at 11:14 am

    So for ther 144th time, the Pats get the benefit of the call that likely decides the game, and their fans rush here to tell you how justified it was (‘you just don’t understand the rules!’). To wit:

    tylawspick6 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:54 am

    The refs should get some glasses or be fired. Lewis had the ball all the way to the ground before losing final possession while on the ground. Clear as day. Down by contact. No fumble.
    ———–

    1. Actually ty, you should take off your homer glasses. Lewis is clearly losing control on the way down, how else do you think Jack is able to strip him?

    2. Plus it doesn’t matter. The call on the field was a fumble. And since it was, there are only two possible outcomes 1) down by contact or 2) recovering player is untouched and free to advance the ball.

    Since Jack was clearly not touched, outcome #2 is in effect. The Jaguars wrongly get denied a sure TD return, and the wrong team likely goes to the Super Bowl.

    ====================================

    If the Doug Baldwin “leg catch” was legit, than Dion Lewis was down by contact. If you can secure a ball with your leg, or helmet for that matter, than obviously you can secure it to your hip.

  221. dyims says:
    January 24, 2018 at 7:35 am
    the same can be said for the pats* who never dominate, just barely squeak by and are always getting these “gray” calls or non calls.
    so yes. just beat them. when will they just beat them without the help of the WWNFL?
    tainted legacy. P4L*
    ===========
    So what you are saying is if the Pats won by 21 points the fumble call and the penalty discrepancy would be perfectly fine. Got it 😉 LOL

  222. watched the replay. Jack didn’t have full control until after his body swung away from Lewis, and was not touched after that. However, there’s no way the ref could have seen that. Ref made a judgement call and can’t be blamed for it. It was definitely not a call to help NE win. If they could negate whistle calls I guarantee they woukd have. The only time Lewis touched him was as jack was taking the ball away but once full possession was in place, it didn’t happen.
    I’m not even sure the ref knew who Lewis didn’t have it as he blew the whistle
    —————
    If he is down while wrangling for the ball with Lewis, he is already considered down by contact. He cannot then get up and start running when he comes away with it. Were he upright, or even on the ground, and the ball popped out and into his hands, it is a different story.

  223. Just look at the how comments individual Pats fans put on this article. That should tell you all you need to know about whether or not you can convince them that their team got calls all year this season.

  224. all the replays I’ve seen certianly show Lewis down and the ball on his leg ,, then with their momentum Miles scoops it up, why wasn’t overturned on the so-called review is beyond me .. anybody doubts this go look at the the replay and open your eyes.

  225. ak185 says:
    January 26, 2018 at 2:05 am
    Just look at the how comments individual Pats fans put on this article. That should tell you all you need to know about whether or not you can convince them that their team got calls all year this season.
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    That’s because unless you watch every Pats game you simply aren’t in a position to weigh in on the fact they had calls go against them as well. It’s the equivalent of trying to convince somebody the door is closed when its already closed.

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