Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are like no pair ever, and other championship game thoughts

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Bill Belichick and Tom Brady are a pairing the likes of which we’ve never seen.

If you’re a Patriots hater, you’re not alone. Millions of football fans across America hate the Patriots. That’s fine. Hating the other team is part of sports fandom.

But I hope even a Patriots hater can agree that what we’re seeing the Patriots do, after earning their eighth trip to the Super Bowl in the Belichick/Brady era, is something truly special. It hasn’t happened before in NFL history and probably won’t happen again.

Brady is going to his eighth Super Bowl as the Patriots’ starting quarterback. No other NFL player has even been to seven Super Bowls, and only one other player at any position, a backup defensive lineman named Mike Lodish who played for the Bills and Broncos, has been to six. John Elway is the only other quarterback who has been to five Super Bowls. Brady has been the Patriots’ starting quarterback for 16 seasons (every year since 2001, minus 2008 when he missed the season with a knee injury), and he has ended up in the Super Bowl in eight of those seasons. That’s extraordinary.

Belichick is going to his eighth Super Bowl as the Patriots’ head coach. No other head coach has even been to seven Super Bowls, and only Don Shula has coached in six. Belichick is already the only head coach with five Super Bowl rings, and he’s doing it at a time with more teams in the league and with greater parity than the league saw in Shula’s day. Belichick has seven Super Bowl rings when you include the two he won as a Giants assistant coach, and if he gets his eighth in two weeks he’ll be the only person ever to earn eight Super Bowl rings in any role with a team. The only other person with seven Super Bowl rings is a former team executive named Neal Dahlen, who received five Super Bowl rings while working for the 49ers and two while working for the Broncos.

Since Brady became the starting quarterback in 2001, the Patriots have won 27 postseason games. You can combine the total postseason wins of 15 NFL teams and it doesn’t equal the number the Patriots have won: The Titans, Bears, Texans, Rams, Raiders, Buccaneers, Jaguars, Cowboys, Chiefs, Redskins, Bengals, Lions, Dolphins, Bills and Browns combined have won 25 postseason games since 2001.

Despite the ESPN story about friction between Brady and Belichick, I’m not so sure the Patriots’ eighth Super Bowl will be their last together. Yes, Brady is 40, but in the AFC Championship Game he went 26-for-38 for 290 yards, with two touchdowns and no interceptions, with an injured throwing hand against the best pass defense in the NFL. He’s got plenty of good football left in him, and I think Belichick does too. These two men are a pairing like we’ve never seen.

Here are my other thoughts from Sunday:

Nick Foles may be offseason trade bait. I’m sure Eagles fans aren’t thinking ahead to anything beyond Super Bowl Sunday, but the fact is that Foles, who will be their starting quarterback in the Super Bowl, is not going to start for the Eagles going forward. Carson Wentz is the Eagles’ franchise quarterback. Period. So what do they do with Foles, who is under contract in 2018 at a very affordable salary? Maybe they’ll keep him to have one of the best backup quarterbacks in the league, but I think they’re more likely to trade him. Foles played very well on Sunday against the Vikings and if he plays well again in the Super Bowl, there will be teams calling the Eagles with trade offers. The 2018 Eagles could put a better team around Wentz by dealing Foles.

Where do the Vikings’ quarterbacks go from here? Case Keenum, after having such a great season with the Vikings, did not play well in yesterday’s loss to the Eagles. Now he hits free agency this offseason. Sam Bradford, who opened the season as the Vikings’ starting quarterback, hits free agency as well. And Teddy Bridgewater, who was supposed to be the franchise quarterback, hasn’t played in two years after suffering a knee injury and has an uncertain contract situation that may see him as a free agent in March as well. Complicating matters is that Vikings offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur is leaving to become the head coach of the Giants, so whoever their starting quarterback will be next year, he’ll be playing in a different offense. So who do the Vikings keep? I think it should be Keenum, and they should put the franchise tag on him if they can’t come to a long-term deal. But I won’t be surprised if the Vikings try to keep Bradford, especially if they can get him to agree to a lower-cost deal than the $23 million it would take to franchise Keenum. And Bridgewater is the wild card because we still wonder whether he can stay healthy after that tough knee injury. The Vikings’ quarterback situation is going to be one of the most interesting stories of the offseason.

Alshon Jeffery was a big get. It’s hard to believe it now, but the talented Jeffery signed with the Eagles this year for just a one-year, $14 million contract before signing a long-term extension during the season. Jeffery was a great signing for the Eagles. In the NFC Championship Game he caught all five of the passes thrown to him for 85 yards and two touchdowns, and his performance raised the question: Why didn’t some team out-bid the Eagles for his services during the offseason? Why not Washington, which declined as a team when it lost its two starting wide receivers in free agency? Why not Cleveland, which gave more money to a vastly inferior wide receiver, Kenny Britt, who was cut before the season was over? Why didn’t Chicago keep Jeffery? I guess the answer to that is because they spent all their free agent money on paying Mike Glennon $18.5 million in 2018. And why did they spend so much on Mike Glennon? Because they didn’t want to sign a much cheaper quarterback like Nick Foles or Case Keenum.

The Jaguars chickened out at the worst time. With 13 minutes left in the fourth quarter and the Jaguars up 20-10, Jacksonville faced fourth-and-1 on their own 42-yard line. I immediately tweeted, “Go for it.” The Jaguars did not go for it. They punted, and the Patriots got the ball and marched down the field for a touchdown. Doug Marrone’s decision to put the ball back in Tom Brady’s hands, rather than trust his team to gain one yard, was a huge mistake — especially considering that the Jaguars had the best fourth-down offense in the NFL this season. Pick up one yard there, keep marching down the field, and there’s a very good chance the Jaguars are on their way to the Super Bowl. Instead, the Jaguars punted the ball away, and now the Patriots are on their way to the Super Bowl.

99 responses to “Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are like no pair ever, and other championship game thoughts

  1. 13 minutes left, up by 10, at your own 42 – and you go for it on 4th down?

    Sure ….don’t make it, lose the game, and be right up there with Pete Carroll throwing it at the 1, and Dan Quinn not running it late in the 4th. Probably put you above them for all time head scratchers.

  2. 8 Trips to the Super Bowl.

    5 Super Bowl rings, with a chance for a 6th in two weeks.

    0 Asterisks in any official record books.

    31 sets of fans who complain about cheating but would sell their own mothers to have the Brady/Belichick combo on their team.

  3. I think what the Patriots have been able to do is a great accomplishment and should be proud of it. I do think we tend to overlook today what an even greater accomplishment it is that what Bradshaw and Montana were able to accomplish by winning 4 Super Bowls in the Era when you could completely pulverize QB’s and WR’s. In today’s game you can’t touch anyone, especially Brady without getting flagged. QB’s used to get hit constantly long after getting rid of the ball and would get back up to the huddle to play another down. That hit Church put on Gronkowski was considered just another play in the day of football. Brady has never really went to war in the game of football and never will. What he’s been able to do has been nice, but football is now a nice guy’s sport.

  4. Okay let’s keep this straight. I absolutely hate the cryboys! And i will never hate another football team more than the cryboys. That being said. The patriots are pushing it. It’s not their fault that they’ve done it better than any other franchise ever. Being a STEELERS fan that’s hard to admit. But to deny it would look worse for me than just admitting it. It does put the team in front of the bus. The NFL is gonna lose money on them if they continue to win. (Thanks Atlanta).

  5. Oh come on man! Jags didn’t chicken – rather than risk giving Brady the ball in Jags territory (a mere 3yds outside of Gostkowski’s range), they trusted their D which up until that point had held the Pats. If they had failed you’d be screaming today about how the Jags need to learn when not to be aggressive and instead protect that 10-point lead seeing as they had such a good D.

  6. “The Jaguars chickened out at the worst time. With 13 minutes left in the fourth quarter and the Jaguars up 20-10, Jacksonville faced fourth-and-1 on their own 42-yard line.“

    Its always easy to second guess. If they had gone for it and gotten stopped the Patriots would have had terrific field position and he gets criticized for not punting to bury the Pats deep with that defense that up to that pount had been keeping a lud on things.

  7. theninerfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 5:49 am
    I think what the Patriots have been able to do is a great accomplishment and should be proud of it. I do think we tend to overlook today what an even greater accomplishment it is that what Bradshaw and Montana were able to accomplish by winning 4 Super Bowls in the Era when you could completely pulverize QB’s and WR’s.

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    As you noted its the Patriots accomplishment, not Brady’s. (Teams win superbowls nit qbs) For the Patriots to do this in the cap era with the forced parity is greater than the lesser accomplishments of the teams Montana and Bradshaw played on in the non cap era.

  8. “Despite the ESPN story about friction between Brady and Belichick, I’m not so sure the Patriots’ eighth Super Bowl will be their last together.“

    Kudos to MDS for coming out and saying this. These days its the stories that predict the demise of the Patriots that get the click ratings. But even if its not as popular a notion chances are it will be MDS that reported the facts and not the ESPN clickbait factory. Even in the past couple weeks he is proving more accurate than ESPN.

  9. theninerfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 5:49 am
    I think what the Patriots have been able to do is a great accomplishment and should be proud of it. I do think we tend to overlook today what an even greater accomplishment it is that what Bradshaw and Montana were able to accomplish by winning 4 Super Bowls in the Era when you could completely pulverize QB’s and WR’s. In today’s game you can’t touch anyone, especially Brady without getting flagged. QB’s used to get hit constantly long after getting rid of the ball and would get back up to the huddle to play another down. That hit Church put on Gronkowski was considered just another play in the day of football. Brady has never really went to war in the game of football and never will. What he’s been able to do has been nice, but football is now a nice guy’s sport.
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    Also an era where you could hold onto your best guys because of no free agency and you didn’t have to retool every year. The measure is how did you do against your peer group.

  10. Different era entirely but… Otto Graham took the Browns to league championship games every year between 1946 and 1955…that is 10 STRAIGHT YEARS. He won 7 of them. A record of 114 wins, 20 losses, and four ties. Pretty insane!

    I thin it is easy to dismiss old QBs and only talk about the SUPER BOWL era…but I do feel that is a mistake. Those old QBs had to call their own plays. Defenses weren’t as complex but they didn’t have game film and preparation like they do now either.

    Point is…don’t be so quick to dismiss the old QBs in favor of the latest Brady/Belichick Superbowl trip.

  11. theninerfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 5:49 am
    I think what the Patriots have been able to do is a great accomplishment and should be proud of it. I do think we tend to overlook today what an even greater accomplishment it is that what Bradshaw and Montana were able to accomplish by winning 4 Super Bowls in the Era when you could completely pulverize QB’s and WR’s. In today’s game you can’t touch anyone, especially Brady without getting flagged. QB’s used to get hit constantly long after getting rid of the ball and would get back up to the huddle to play another down. That hit Church put on Gronkowski was considered just another play in the day of football. Brady has never really went to war in the game of football and never will. What he’s been able to do has been nice, but football is now a nice guy’s sport.
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    I posted this on another thread, but Brady won 3 SBs in that ‘era’ of being able to play defense and crush the QB. The ‘QB’ rule changed after Carson Palmers injury as a Bengal in the playoff game, 06 I think. Then Bill polian and the competition committee took away the CBs ability to ‘mug’ WRs and play tough defense/

    So while I understand your point and Brady’s success doesn’t take away from montana’s Accomplishments, Brady has won in both ‘eras’ of defense.

    Montana didn’t have to deal with a salary cap either, which is huge, being able to keep top players together, including the undisputed best WR at his disposal in jerry rice. Meanwhile Brady’s #1 WR is a back up QB from Kent St in Julian Edelman.

    And the numbers now, playoff appearances, conference championship games, SB appearances and wins/losses, aren’t even close anymore.

    I hate the era comparisons as well but it’s getting hard to make a point against Brady at this point with such staggering numbers over the #2 QB if your choice

  12. .
    Since 2001 the Patriots have averaged over 12 regular season victories per year. The last time they won less than 12 games was in 2009.
    .

  13. daytontriangles says:
    January 22, 2018 at 5:42 am

    8 Trips to the Super Bowl.

    5 Super Bowl rings, with a chance for a 6th in two weeks.

    0 Asterisks in any official record books.

    31 sets of fans who complain about cheating but would sell their own mothers to have the Brady/Belichick combo on their team.
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    I’ve been saying the same thing for several years now. Haters gotta hate – they hate us ’cause they ain’t us!

  14. Bellichick makes adjustments and shuts them down, while Brady does his thing in the 4th quarter.

    It’s really something to see and we should accept it for what it is while it lasts.

  15. theninerfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 5:49 am
    …I do think we tend to overlook today what an even greater accomplishment it is that what Bradshaw and Montana were able to accomplish by winning 4 Super Bowls in the Era when you could completely pulverize QB’s and WR’s. In today’s game you can’t touch anyone…
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    And back then SB winning teams could simply all stay together for those multiple runs because there was no salary cap and no free agency. And there was a ton of PEDs back then. And the touching works both ways – back in the day they would have let Gronk back in the game. And no touching? Brady lost a whole year to a low hit.

  16. All you people saying Jags chickened out …(Full disclosure- Pats Fan) .. Jags have the best defense in the league and they went with the gal they brought to the dance. There is NO WAY that’s the wrong bet. The Pats were just BETTER at the moments that made the game.
    If Jags don’t make that 4th and 1, and in a room filled with Pats fans all of whom were saying the Pats D reminded them of the AFC title game against Denver when the D got stouter every series in the second half, it’s Pete Carroll all over again.

  17. theninerfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 5:49 am
    I think what the Patriots have been able to do is a great accomplishment and should be proud of it. I do think we tend to overlook today what an even greater accomplishment it is that what Bradshaw and Montana were able to accomplish by winning 4 Super Bowls in the Era when you could completely pulverize QB’s and WR’s.

    You have it backwards. It’s why the Pats are more impressive. Both sides had to play under the same rules. 29 years ago Gronk would have been back out there. Unlike Newton and others, Gronk was immediately taken out of the game under protocol. That they continue to win despite having their best receiver off the field is more than impressive.

  18. Chicago offered Jeffery a multi year deal and he didn’t take it. Almost from when he was drafted there were rumors he didn’t want to be in Chicago. As bad as the Glennon signing was the Bears were way under the cap and didn’t “spend all their free agent money” on him. Jeffery is a talented receiver but he had a hard time staying healthy and had been suspended for violating ped policy. That’s why he didn’t get more than a “prove it” deal until he proved it.

  19. 49ers fan, and despite seeing the Montana/Walsh combination, there is no doubt in my mind that Brady is the GOAT, Brady and Belichick are the greatest coach/QB combo of all time, and Belichick is probably the greatest coach of all time.

  20. Michael, you were right on on the fourth down play with 13 left. There was more than one llaybthat cost the Jags that game, but that was the pivotal point. They had the Patriots on the ropes and they let them off. NE scores on its next drive and I knew then that it was over.

    I normally wouldn’t advocate going for it in that situation, but they had NE reeling. Coaching mistake in my opinion.

  21. The knell downs with three timeouts and 55 seconds left in the first half was an indication that they had decided to play not to lose rather than play to win. The conservative approach to the second half reinforced that decision.

  22. “I do think we tend to overlook today what an even greater accomplishment it is that what Bradshaw and Montana were able to accomplish by winning 4 Super Bowls in the Era when you could completely pulverize QB’s and WR’s.”

    The Patriots won 3 rings before those rules were implemented, It was the whiny Colts front office complaining about the Patriots DBs that got them implemented in the first place.

  23. Brady has 27 playoff wins. Montana, in second place, has 16. The 11 point difference itself is more than Rodgers, Marino, or Kurt Warner. You could cut Brady’s career in half and each half would qualify for the HOF. That some football fans have spent two decades hating on the greatest to ever play makes me laugh. What’s the point?

  24. “But I hope even a Patriots hater can agree that what we’re seeing the Patriots do, after earning their eighth trip to the Super Bowl in the Belichick/Brady era, is something truly special. It hasn’t happened before in NFL history and probably won’t happen again.”

    Haters gonna hate, but there is no debate.

    GOATs, the both of them

  25. theninerfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 5:49 am

    In today’s game you can’t touch anyone, especially Brady without getting flagged.

    —–

    despite getting hit numerous times and sometimes drilled into the ground yesterday, there wasn’t one flag for doing so and not one TV shot of him complaining about it.

  26. People always trash the Patriots claiming they only are so good because they play in such a “weak” division and don’t realize (or choose to ignore) just how consistent the Patriots beaten everyone else in the league. In the last 17 seasons (2002 – 2017) New England has won 82% of their games vs. the NFC in the regular season. They’ve won 76% of their games against AFC teams from the North, South and West. They average 7.9 wins outside of the AFC East Every year, so even if they go .500 in the East they’re still winning 11 games a season.

    “Oh but the Patriots cheat at home” is another lame excuse. Interesting, the Patriots have won 72% of their road games in the last 17 seasons good enough for an average of 5.6 wins a season. So even if they went .500 at home, they’d still be winning 10-11 games a season.

  27. What the Pats have done is very impressive yet it is also a sign of how pathetic the AFC is (mainly because of coaching) and by extension the NFL. It’s even more pathetic when you consider that 14 of the last 15 AFC teams going to the superbowl have been led by only 3 QBs and that if it weren’t for 3 Peyton led teams with Manning being the key in 2 of those, the Pats would have 3 more superbowl appearances.

    The Pats may be great but they’re not THAT great where it makes sense they have been this dominant. It truly is more a sign of how garbage the AFC is.

    I do hope they win in two weeks and with luck, it’ll be another big late game comeback where the other team shows how incompetent they are like the Falcons did last year and the Jags did yesterday in the 4th. That’ll give me a good laugh.

  28. despite getting hit numerous times and sometimes drilled into the ground yesterday, there wasn’t one flag for doing so and not one TV shot of him complaining about it

    Makes you think they don’t even watch the game, just regurgitate old troll talking points.

  29. lgw91s says:
    January 22, 2018 at 5:32 am

    13 minutes left, up by 10, at your own 42 – and you go for it on 4th down?

    Sure ….don’t make it, lose the game, and be right up there with Pete Carroll throwing it at the 1, and Dan Quinn not running it late in the 4th. Probably put you above them for all time head scratchers.

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    Uh…..Carroll made the right decision. No matter what ESPN produced “documentary” or obviously slanted journalism, it was the right play call.

    If the WO ran THROUGH his route and didn’t let the ball come to him, a 5’9 190 cornerback wouldn’t have decleated a 6’2 215 reciever. Period. He was passive and the corner was AGGRESSIVE.

    That’s what being AGGRESSIVE gets you.

    Go ask Doug Pederson what being aggressive gets you.

    Marrone played not to lose. And this is what THAT gets you.

  30. joetoronto says:
    January 22, 2018 at 6:48 am

    Bellichick makes adjustments and shuts them down, while Brady does his thing in the 4th quarter.

    It’s really something to see and we should accept it for what it is while it lasts

    This is true. However, what can’t be lost is what the other coach DIDN’T do.

    I don’t know about you, but the players CLEARLY were demonstrating the confidence and the aggressiveness needed to beat the Patriots.

    The coach, just as clearly, was not. Particularly, in the second half and CLEARLY not in ANY point in the fourth quarter.

  31. PresidentTrumpIsRightRespectYourCountryAndFlag says:
    January 22, 2018 at 7:06 am
    However the Belichick Brady duo failed miserably to complete a perfect season years ago losing to an average Giants team.
    Shula didn’t.
    —————————————————————————————–Is that you Don? Don? Your buddies at the home for Retired Bitter NFL Coaches are looking for you. Don? Don?

  32. exinsidetrader says:
    January 22, 2018 at 7:19 am

    “They’re just great because of their System”

    So what’s stopping your team from implementing that same System?
    ____

    Good point, but why are you arguing with yourself?

  33. Let’s all read the title of the article which gives no one other than Brady and Belichick credit. That Brady has lost twice in the Super Bowl to Eli Manning and if he now loses to Nick Foles how he’s still the G.O.A.T. but is so soft he cut his hand on a routine hand off to a RB. I now understand why he needed deflated footballs.

  34. I wish that people would truly analyze how great Belichick is. His in game adjustments and feel for a game are unmatched. He literally thinks of every scenario that can happen and adjusts his defense to win games accordingly on the fly. Even in games where Brady brings them back, it’s his defense totally shutting down in many instances offenses that seem to be having their way at some point during a game. Offenses very rarely just keep giving his defense fits.

    To truly appreciate this, people need to look back at that 1994 playoff loss to a superior Pittsburgh playoff team in every facet that barely beat his Browns at home, and then to how he beat both the Gruden Raiders and that Ram team who were both significantly better rosters during his first Super Bowl run with Brady. Brady was a game manager people, and that Patriot defense was good, but it wasn’t great. Both of those teams, particularly the offenses were stacked. He totally coached circles around both of those staffs with a whole different cast of coaches and players, and again, Brady was a true game manager back then. He also came up with the game plan for the Giants to beat the 90 Bills that were unstoppable. Guy is truly something special and always has been, and I think that it gets lost on people how good Belichick always has been even going back to Cleveland. He is like a coaching savant.

  35. PresidentTrumpIsRightRespectYourCountryAndFlag says:
    January 22, 2018 at 7:06 am
    However the Belichick Brady duo failed miserably to complete a perfect season years ago losing to an average Giants team.
    Shula didn’t.

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    You are right, it was years ago. Remind me how many. How far back did you have to go there? What about all the other years too? What happened?

  36. “Doug Marrone’s decision to put the ball back in Tom Brady’s hands, rather than trust his team to gain one yard, was a huge mistake”

    You never paid any attention to Marrone’s coaching style with the Bills, did you? He was known for being gutless on 4th-and-short around midfield and almost always preferred to punt, even when the Bills had the ball across the 50 and were playing from behind. With a 10-point lead, there was no chance whatsoever of Marrone going for it.

  37. PresidentTrumpIsRightRespectYourCountryAndFlag says:

    January 22, 2018 at 7:06 am

    However the Belichick Brady duo failed miserably to complete a perfect season years ago losing to an average Giants team.
    Shula didn’t.

    =========================

    Shula didn’t do so hot with one of the best ever in Marino, though.

  38. “I thin it is easy to dismiss old QBs and only talk about the SUPER BOWL era…”

    Its easy to do so because those old dusty trophies were won in leagues with 12-16 teams, with no free agency, no cap, and where it was much easier to win a championship against far fewer teams.

    That doesn’t take away from the fact they were great players who would likely have excelled at the modern game, but its much harder to win a Super Bowl than those championships

  39. I agree that we all respect what they’ve done. I also agree we’re all sick of them and would like to actually see some other team win, and will be quite happy when they’re done.

  40. “I wish that people would truly analyze how great Belichick is. His in game adjustments and feel for a game are unmatched. He literally thinks of every scenario that can happen and adjusts his defense to win games accordingly on the fly.”

    Bill does one thing that no other coach in the league does that I’ve seen. He takes handwritten notes on note cards in the first half so when he gets into the locker room at halftime he doesn’t forget the things he noticed and wants to adjust to. No other coach today takes notes during the game like that.

    It seems like a small thing but in the mayhem of a game its very easy to forget some tiny detail that happened in the first couple drives by the time its halftime. Bill makes sure he doesn’t forget.

  41. Coffeehog says:
    January 22, 2018 at 8:55 am

    PresidentTrumpIsRightRespectYourCountryAndFlag says:
    January 22, 2018 at 7:06 am
    However the Belichick Brady duo failed miserably to complete a perfect season years ago losing to an average Giants team.
    Shula didn’t.

    ——————-
    You are right, it was years ago. Remind me how many. How far back did you have to go there? What about all the other years too? What happened?

    ——–
    About the same timeframe as Pats fans will go back when their run is over and their team is bad again. You know, recalling the good ol days when you had Brady and Belichick, which is the only thing you’ll have to hold on to in the future.

  42. theninerfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 5:49 am

    I think what the Patriots have been able to do is a great accomplishment and should be proud of it. I do think we tend to overlook today what an even greater accomplishment it is that what Bradshaw and Montana were able to accomplish by winning 4 Super Bowls in the Era when you could completely pulverize QB’s and WR’s. In today’s game you can’t touch anyone, especially Brady without getting flagged. QB’s used to get hit constantly long after getting rid of the ball and would get back up to the huddle to play another down. That hit Church put on Gronkowski was considered just another play in the day of football. Brady has never really went to war in the game of football and never will. What he’s been able to do has been nice, but football is now a nice guy’s sport.
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    This is pretty irrelevant when comparing rings, because the QB’s you mentioned were playing against other QB’s facing the same punishing hits. Brady has to beat other QB’s with the same protections he gets. Comparing eras is useless, but if you’re going to do it don’t pretend that all QB’s of any era aren’t playing by the same rules. And yes, your jealousy (I’m not a pats fan, but I appreciate them) is pretty obvious in the statement “what he’s been able to do has been nice”. Nice in the sense that it’s made him the greatest WINNER of all time.

  43. TheWizard says:
    January 22, 2018 at 8:12 am

    Makes you think they don’t even watch the game, just regurgitate old troll talking points.

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    actually they do watch the game, but ignore what they have seen and just regurgitate old troll talking points because they have no other sensible argument.

  44. theninerfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 8:44 am

    Let’s all read the title of the article which gives no one other than Brady and Belichick credit. That Brady has lost twice in the Super Bowl to Eli Manning and if he now loses to Nick Foles how he’s still the G.O.A.T. but is so soft he cut his hand on a routine hand off to a RB. I now understand why he needed deflated footballs.
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Brady is soft because his skin was sliced open? I’m sorry, I never knew that Joe Montana did not bleed when cut.

  45. fatsolio says:
    January 22, 2018 at 8:04 am
    What the Pats have done is very impressive yet it is also a sign of how pathetic the AFC is (mainly because of coaching) and by extension the NFL. It’s even more pathetic when you consider that 14 of the last 15 AFC teams going to the superbowl have been led by only 3 QBs and that if it weren’t for 3 Peyton led teams with Manning being the key in 2 of those, the Pats would have 3 more superbowl appearances.

    The Pats may be great but they’re not THAT great where it makes sense they have been this dominant. It truly is more a sign of how garbage the AFC is.

    I do hope they win in two weeks and with luck, it’ll be another big late game comeback where the other team shows how incompetent they are like the Falcons did last year and the Jags did yesterday in the 4th. That’ll give me a good laugh.

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    If the AFC is so “pathetic” then why do they keep beating the NFC teams in the SB?

  46. I also wish people would stop criticizing other coaches or teams. The Jaguars did everything right, but it’s like a normal person playing Jeopardy against Stephen Hawking. That’s just not going to work out well for 99.9% of people.

    Going for it on 4th and 1 on his own 42 is exactly what Belichick wouldn’t have done. How do I know this? Because with a superior QB at home he didn’t go for 4th and less than 2 still down by 10 in the fourth quarter.

    Instead he continuously pinned them, played defense and got the ball back for his QB. The real story is that after having their way with his defense early, as always, Belichick adjusted on the fly and shut everything down after that. Really, outside of that second half that Manning had to go to his first Super Bowl and the games with the Ravens where Flacco kept making plays down the stretch, truly no offense just dominates the Patriots a whole game. By the middle of the second quarter, he has it figured out, and he starts getting the ball back in his QB’s hands, which is always the story behind the story of these Patriot playoff wins.

    For most teams, the best thing to happen for them is to just not have to face them in the playoffs, hoping somebody else lucks up and knocks them off. That’s probably your best bet because beating Belichick is very difficult.

  47. theninerfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 8:44 am

    but is so soft he cut his hand on a routine hand off to a RB.

    ———-

    really, you’ve seen video of that collision? you should share it with us.

    what really matters is not that he was cut, but how he played with the cut. and we all know the answer to that, some just can’t admit it though.

  48. Two comments on the Jags not going for it on 4th and 1 in the fourth quarter: the up back did call a shift on the punt, suggesting they at least looked at the Pats’ formation and thought about going for it.

    Second, the Jags D gave up a 3rd and 18 on the next possession. Inability to make that play was really what cost them the game, not the 4th down decision.

  49. Brady never has to go through the gauntlet of QBs in the NFC…he routinely faces back up QBs…

  50. “Different era entirely but… Otto Graham took the Browns to league championship games every year between 1946 and 1955…that is 10 STRAIGHT YEARS. He won 7 of them”

    1946-1949, the AAFC consisted of 8 teams, 1950-1955 the NFL consisted of 12 teams.

  51. Rate This
    theninerfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 5:49 am
    I think what the Patriots have been able to do is a great accomplishment and should be proud of it. I do think we tend to overlook today what an even greater accomplishment it is that what Bradshaw and Montana were able to accomplish by winning 4 Super Bowls in the Era when you could completely pulverize QB’s and WR’s. In today’s game you can’t touch anyone, especially Brady without getting flagged.

    =================================
    How many flags did you see on Brady hits yesterday? And he got a hit a lot. There was one play when the LB (I think) came unblocked up the middle and just wiped out Brady.

    And it works both ways- if opposition defenses cannot pulverize Brady, Pats’ defense can’t pulverize the other team’s QB either. It’s a level playing field with both teams playing under the same rules.

  52. It’s difficult to win with that parity rule, so it’s astounding that the Patriots continues its dominance amongst 32 teams. Then the bitter ex-Jets people in the NFL try to manufacture scandals to derail them. BB and Brady are phenomenal. We should all enjoy this rare excellence in the era of participation trophies mentality.

  53. theninerfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 5:49 am
    I think what the Patriots have been able to do is a great accomplishment and should be proud of it. I do think we tend to overlook today what an even greater accomplishment it is that what Bradshaw and Montana were able to accomplish by winning 4 Super Bowls in the Era when you could completely pulverize QB’s and WR’s. In today’s game you can’t touch anyone, especially Brady without getting flagged. QB’s used to get hit constantly long after getting rid of the ball and would get back up to the huddle to play another down. That hit Church put on Gronkowski was considered just another play in the day of football. Brady has never really went to war in the game of football and never will. What he’s been able to do has been nice, but football is now a nice guy’s sport.

    ———

    The 49ers were an all-star team. Give me a break. Doing this during free agency is way more impressive than whatever the 49ers did. As for the rules, if you think guys like Brady and Peyton wouldn’t have dominated back then, then you are crazy. Montana was only 6’2″ 205 lbs. He was pretty small by today’s standards.

  54. Funny roughing the passer flags this year:
    Blake Bortles with 7
    Brady with 3.
    Enough with that fiction.
    What Brady does do, is get a free 5 yards a few times a game out of stupid teams, from 12 men on the field or encroachment calls.
    Didn’t happen vs. Jax because they are actually coached pretty well.

  55. Fourth and one, 10 point lead in Q4 and you have the choice of Bortles or pin New England back inside the 20 with the best defense in football. I’m rolling the dice with the best defense. Later on we saw how effective Bortles was when the game landed on his shoulders. Can’t blame the coach for that decision. His defense had held Pats to 10 points after 3 quarters.

  56. Different era entirely but… Otto Graham took the Browns to league championship games every year between 1946 and 1955…that is 10 STRAIGHT YEARS. He won 7 of them. A record of 114 wins, 20 losses, and four ties. Pretty insane!

    In addition, Otto only played 10 years AND he is the last Hall of Fame QB with a pick 6: it was in 1946 when he also played DB.

    Bob Engleman

  57. htown1035 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:21 am
    Coffeehog says:
    January 22, 2018 at 8:55 am

    PresidentTrumpIsRightRespectYourCountryAndFlag says:
    January 22, 2018 at 7:06 am
    However the Belichick Brady duo failed miserably to complete a perfect season years ago losing to an average Giants team.
    Shula didn’t.

    ——————-
    You are right, it was years ago. Remind me how many. How far back did you have to go there? What about all the other years too? What happened?

    ——–
    About the same timeframe as Pats fans will go back when their run is over and their team is bad again. You know, recalling the good ol days when you had Brady and Belichick, which is the only thing you’ll have to hold on to in the future.

    ———————-
    Maybe, maybe not. Either way that is just baseless future speculation. I speak of those that are doing it now today.

  58. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:44 am
    Belichick and Brady both have something else in common. Major cheating scandals. No I don’t respect them.


    Sorry cupcake, completely fabricated and made up cheating “scandals” don’t count.

    No I don’t respect Patriot Hater, I just laugh at them and their silly takes. 🙂

  59. 345snarkavenue says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:30 am
    theninerfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 8:44 am

    but is so soft he cut his hand on a routine hand off to a RB.

    ———-

    really, you’ve seen video of that collision? you should share it with us.

    what really matters is not that he was cut, but how he played with the cut. and we all know the answer to that, some just can’t admit it though.

    ————————-
    The ones that would be amusing to have into the !Brady cant take abuse’ conversation would be the guys that have abused the heck out of him before. Sure they never broke his body or spirit, but they are still proud of their work and would take exception to these haters that try to say it was nothing. Von Miller. Many NY Jets, his new team mate James Harrison, several of the Giants, and quite a few others around the league.

  60. lgw91s says:
    January 22, 2018 at 5:32 am
    13 minutes left, up by 10, at your own 42 – and you go for it on 4th down?
    Sure ….don’t make it, lose the game, and be right up there with Pete Carroll throwing it at the 1, and Dan Quinn not running it late in the 4th. Probably put you above them for all time head scratchers.


    Being conservative is par for the course with any Marrone coached team. Ask the Bills and their fans about that. But the sentiment is understandable.

    Actually – Pete Carroll was right to call for the pass for reasons that have been debated ad nauseum.

  61. RE LEE says:
    January 22, 2018 at 10:07 am
    It’s difficult to win with that parity rule, so it’s astounding that the Patriots continues its dominance amongst 32 teams. Then the bitter ex-Jets people in the NFL try to manufacture scandals to derail them.

    It is amazing.

    When the league steals 2 first round draft picks and invents completely fabricated cheating scandals and a suspension based on a complete fraud just because some owners and their inferior team (and by association their inferior fans) are simply not man enough to do what it takes to get better… and the Patriots STILL overcome and win…. there really is no other parallel for this kind of greatness in professional sports.

    🙂

  62. fatsolio says:
    January 22, 2018 at 8:04 am
    What the Pats have done is very impressive yet it is also a sign of how pathetic the AFC is (mainly because of coaching) and by extension the NFL. It’s even more pathetic when you consider that 14 of the last 15 AFC teams going to the superbowl have been led by only 3 QBs and that if it weren’t for 3 Peyton led teams with Manning being the key in 2 of those, the Pats would have 3 more superbowl appearances.
    The Pats may be great but they’re not THAT great where it makes sense they have been this dominant. It truly is more a sign of how garbage the AFC is.
    I do hope they win in two weeks and with luck, it’ll be another big late game comeback where the other team shows how incompetent they are like the Falcons did last year and the Jags did yesterday in the 4th. That’ll give me a good laugh.
    ——
    And yet the AFC has won 4 of the last 5 Super Bowls and are favored to make it 5 of 6. Go figure. 🙂

    Guess they’re not as bad as some people think huh?

  63. CORRECTION: Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, and the NFL referees are a threesome the likes of which we’ve never seen.

  64. So fans think Jacksonville “got conservative” in the 2nd half and that’s why they lost, but the same fans think Atlanta should not have thrown the ball at the end of the game in the SB and that’s why they lost. Got it.

    NE wins regardless of what the other team does, run, throw, take a knee, chuck it down field, etc.

  65. Actually it HAS been seen before. The Paul Brown/Otto Graham era Cleveland Browns. 10 straight Championships, winning 7 of them.

    That was without fake tuck rules, spy cameraa, deflated footballs and referes throwing games for them. In other words it was legitimate, unlike the Patriots.

  66. 345snarkavenue says:
    January 22, 2018 at 9:30 am
    theninerfan says:
    January 22, 2018 at 8:44 am
    but is so soft he cut his hand on a routine hand off to a RB.
    ———-
    really, you’ve seen video of that collision? you should share it with us.
    what really matters is not that he was cut, but how he played with the cut. and we all know the answer to that, some just can’t admit it though.
    ————————-
    The ones that would be amusing to have into the !Brady cant take abuse’ conversation would be the guys that have abused the heck out of him before. Sure they never broke his body or spirit, but they are still proud of their work and would take exception to these haters that try to say it was nothing. Von Miller. Many NY Jets, his new team mate James Harrison, several of the Giants, and quite a few others around the league.


    Justin Tuck (answering a question from Dan Patrick who is the toughest QB he ever faced): “Brady. We kept hitting him harder and harder, again and again and we couldn’t believe he kept getting back up.”

    Michael Bennett: “When Tom Brady gets hit he gets up like ‘Good job, good hit’ and gets back in the huddle and holds his own like a man.” And most QBs – UNLIKE Brady – whine to the refs about getting hit.

    Von Miller as well has said the same.

    Go figure.

    Direct quotes folks… from players who ought to know what they’re talking about, as these are the men who have actually beat Brady to a pulp on the football field.

  67. Did anyone really think the NFL was going to let the Jaguars go to the Superbowl? It would have been great for the team, but TV ratings would have taken a massive hit.

    The only way I’ll believe the Eagles will actually win is if they’re up 45-7 with less than 5 minutes to go. Other than that, no chance.

    I’m not impressed with the Patriots and never will be. They are simply the best of a bad product right now. NFL hasn’t been the same since Free Agency. Powerhouse teams can’t exist for an extended period of time anymore because players chase money. Does anyone really think, with all things being equal, the Patriots could line up and beat Lombardi’s Packers, Shula’s Dolphins, Madden’s Raiders, Noll’s Steelers, Walsh’s 49ers, Ditka’s Bears (’85-’88), Parcell’s Giants (’86-’90), or Johnson’s Cowboys? Those teams were loaded with Hall of Famers. The Patriots have one. I give the Patriots credit, they dominate highly mediocre football teams, but let’s not pretend they’re all timers.

  68. bartpkelly, what a spot on comment. We live in a world that seems to think if it didn’t happen in the last few…(days, weeks, months) then it has no value. Unfortunately living in a ‘Pop’ culture (which we do) glorifies youth with it’s good looks and youthful strength, marginalizes everything else, hence a lack of character and wisdom and make no mistake there is a lack of both in sports as well as western culture in general.

  69. A four point win at home with help from the refs, call me unimpressed. And the Cheats wouldn’t even be hosting the Championship game if Al Riveron hadn’t gifted them at least two games in the standings. In reality they’re an 11-5 team at best in a cupcake division who benefited in the playoffs by being gifted homefield and the top seed. I’ve seen better and more dominating teams throughout NFL history.

  70. uh, BartpKelly are you serious? Otto Graham won exactly 3 NFL titles, was 3-3 in NFL Title games. He started his career in the defunct All American Football Conference in 46′, the USFL of it’s day. He won a meaningless 4 All American Football Titles before the league went belly up and 4 of those teams were absorbed by the NFL. He has 3 NFL Titles, not 7

  71. I give the Patriots credit, they dominate highly mediocre football teams, but let’s not pretend they’re all timers.
    __________________________________________________________________
    Dead on! Nice post.

  72. In reality they’re an 11-5 team at best in a cupcake division who benefited in the playoffs by being gifted homefield and the top seed.

    And yet they beat the team that clowned stomped the winner of the most charminy soft division in football, the AFC North. Go figure.

    Must be nice to play 6 tomato cans every year.

  73. bartpkelly says:
    January 22, 2018 at 6:20 am
    Different era entirely but… Otto Graham took the Browns to league championship games every year between 1946 and 1955…that is 10 STRAIGHT YEARS. He won 7 of them. A record of 114 wins, 20 losses, and four ties. Pretty insane!

    I thin it is easy to dismiss old QBs and only talk about the SUPER BOWL era…but I do feel that is a mistake. Those old QBs had to call their own plays. Defenses weren’t as complex but they didn’t have game film and preparation like they do now either.

    Point is…don’t be so quick to dismiss the old QBs in favor of the latest Brady/Belichick Superbowl trip.
    ———————

    The league had 10 teams, that less than either conference today. Winning a championship in in the 40’s and 50’s is like winning the Conference championship today. Which the Patriots have gone to 12 times and won 8 times.

  74. “And Bridgewater is the wild card because we still wonder whether he can stay healthy after that tough knee injury.” I would say Bradford is as much of a wild card for the same reason.

  75. While not a Pats fan, I have to give it to them. The reason they are constantly in the playoffs is, IMHO, coaching. They tackle, they catch the ball, they don’t have unnecessary penalties, and hey focus on the small things that build up to big things (like winning ballgames). There aren’t (aside form TB)big giant superstars and big heads on this team. They don’t talk the talk, then not walk the walk (Ramsey?). As coach B says, they “do their job” and they do it well. It starts with the scheme and he coaching.

  76. drrichardrydze says:
    January 22, 2018 at 11:05 am

    Actually it HAS been seen before. The Paul Brown/Otto Graham era Cleveland Browns. 10 straight Championships, winning 7 of them.

    That was without fake tuck rules, spy cameraa, deflated footballs and referes throwing games for them. In other words it was legitimate, unlike the Patriots.
    ———————

    You don’t know anything about the legitimacy of any of those games back then.

  77. Give it up to Tom Brady, aka TB12. GOAT self-promoter of all time. The alleged hand injury was brilliant. Red glove in practice, superb. The black game band aid was awesome. I cant wait for his next media deception. Barnum and Bailey weep with envy.

  78. What other team has the officials celebrating with them after a TD? oh and the first one to congratulate Brady after the game, yep the official………its so obvious, I feel bad for the Eagles and their fans, they have ZERO chance of winning.

  79. Buttfumblersanonymous says:
    January 22, 2018 at 7:31 am
    “I do think we tend to overlook today what an even greater accomplishment it is that what Bradshaw and Montana were able to accomplish by winning 4 Super Bowls in the Era when you could completely pulverize QB’s and WR’s.”

    The Patriots won 3 rings before those rules were implemented, It was the whiny Colts front office complaining about the Patriots DBs that got them implemented in the first place.
    —————————————————

    Two, actually. They won the third the year they changed the rules, hence Bruschi’s epic post-game rant after they beat Indy.

  80. seahawks80 says:
    January 22, 2018 at 1:04 pm
    What other team has the officials celebrating with them after a TD? oh and the first one to congratulate Brady after the game, yep the official………its so obvious, I feel bad for the Eagles and their fans, they have ZERO chance of winning.
    ———————————————————————-

    That’s nothing. One time, at the end of a Superbowl, one of the refs threw the ball right to Malcolm Butler from ONE YARD LINE WHEN THEY HAD MARSHAWN LYNCH! It was the craziest conspiracy yet.

  81. Brady has as many playoff wins than Peyton Manning and Big Ben combined. He’s in Babe Ruth and Wayne Gretzky territory.

  82. Florio is 100% correct on the JAX 4th down decision. Converting a highly likely play there bleeds clock and maybe produces points. Yes the D was playing well, but Brady will eventually get going – especially once he uses all 4 downs instead of 3.

    How many career game-winning drives does it take to understand you don’t give the GOAT the ball if you have any choice? Teams that rely on their D to hold Brady at the end typically fail, just as JAX did.

    Play to win the game, don’t just hope to hold on.

  83. Brady took as many hits the entire game as QB’s took in a series before 1995. Go watch playoffs in 1980, 1985, 1990. Watch the QB get kicked in the head as a defender got up. We now watch NSL football.

  84. seahawks80 says:

    January 22, 2018 at 1:04 pm

    What other team has the officials celebrating with them after a TD? oh and the first one to congratulate Brady after the game, yep the official………its so obvious, I feel bad for the Eagles and their fans, they have ZERO chance of winning.

    ====================================================

    False, referee turned around and thought for a second they were fighting and went to break it up, then realized his mistake. Why not check the video instead of a misleading, context-less picture?

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