Belichick ties drop in penalties to technique

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Some think the lack of penalties called on the Patriots in the AFC title game traces to something underhanded. Patriots coach Bill Belichick believes there’s a more legitimate explanation for it.

Asked by reporters during a Tuesday conference call whether a drop in penalties from 18 over a two-game stretch to a total of 13 in five full games can be traced to improved technique, Belichick agreed, sort of.

“Well, hopefully that’s what it is, yeah,” Belichick said. “We emphasize that all the time. We always try to work to eliminate penalties. Sometimes those things happen but, as you said, a lot of those penalties are caused by bad technique or just lack of concentration or sloppy football. We certainly are always trying to stamp those out.”

The notion that referees would call fewer penalties against the Patriots in order to help them get back to another Super Bowl makes for an intriguing conspiracy theory, but it’s hardly the reality. The league office, if anything, would have a bias against the Patriots — due either to the same skewed thinking that fueled #DeflateGate or the desire dating back to the days of Pete Rozelle to have more than one franchise rule the roost.

The far better explanation is that good coaching leads to fewer penalties, and that as the Patriots close in on a record-tying six Lombardi Trophies, they’re tightening things up, considerably.

116 responses to “Belichick ties drop in penalties to technique

  1. .
    The Patriots rarely are called for false starts, offsides, illegal formation or dead ball fouls such as unsportsmanlike conduct, taunting and personal fouls.
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  2. Neither offensive line was called for a penalty in that game.

    Gotta say – it was a great game on the field and the Refs did a good job not being the story. Can’t do much about people who freak out when their team doesn’t win & invents conspiracy theories.

  3. The far better explanation is that good coaching leads to fewer penalties, and that as the Patriots close in on a record-tying six Lombardi Trophies, they’re tightening things up, considerably.
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    Oh no, that’s to logical for many anti Pat’s fans on this forum.

  4. I see less a conspiracy to not call fouls on the Pats, but more a trend to call ticky-tack fouls on their opponents, especially when the Pats are playing at home.

  5. “The far better explanation is that good coaching leads to fewer penalties…”

    And so does a well built complimentary roster. Take a dumb penalty and have a seat…possibly on the next plane out of town, just ask Brandon Meriweather.
    And now back to the frenzied trollathon this article was designed to initiate.

  6. rushbacker says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:02 pm
    Yep. When your O-line holds on virtually every play and it never gets called, that is undoubtedly some incredible coaching.
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    Remind me again, how many holds were called on the Jags O-line?

  7. filmex2000 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:08 pm
    I see less a conspiracy to not call fouls on the Pats, but more a trend to call ticky-tack fouls on their opponents, especially when the Pats are playing at home.
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    Ok so you’re saying that the helmet to helmet and PI chock hold are ticky-tack. Got it.

  8. Do people forget that the league didn’t want to shelve out the money to hire refs fulltime so they went on strike and the league decided to go with replacements that were horrible in spite of them? The refs are open to highest bidder and kraft is the highest bidder. And it’s a bonus that they are giving the league the middle finger by helping the patriots.

  9. That was good technique on the holding that wasn’t called on the final play, or the interference AND facemask that Butler clearly simultaneously did to Lee that wasn’t flagged.

    Yeah, great technique there Bill. Wonderful technique!

  10. Wait – didn’t the Pats have only 1 penalty? Well gee, Bill, technique must be the reason – or the refs didn’t want a Jax-Philly SB.

  11. Release the statistics. I want to see a statistic of average offense gained through penalties, total penalties called, and points lost by opposing teams due to penalties vs the patriots. Of course you don’t see that article anywhere, probably makes it too obvious.

  12. Bill is right. Better coaching, better technique and placing an emphasis on not beating yourself with penalties is the reason. This is also known as being a well coached disciplined team.

    For all the Jags fans/Pats haters still whining about the refs. How about Myles Jack tackling James White 5 yards deep into the endzone and then trying to punch him in the face? Where was the flag there? The refs let them play and turned a blind eye to a lot of Jacksonville’s late hits and cheap shots.

  13. The notion that referees would call fewer penalties against the Patriots in order to help them get back to another Super Bowl makes for an intriguing conspiracy theory, but it’s hardly the reality. The league office, if anything, would have a bias against the Patriots — due either to the same skewed thinking that fueled #DeflateGate or…………..

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    Oh please, the NFL wanted NE in the SuperBowl – it’s all about $

  14. No that’s funny Bill. Just your preparation eh???? No bad calls against the Jags Bill?? You know the Patriot motto, if you aint cheating, you aint trying. Another tainted Super Bowl coming your way Amurica!!! You bet!!!

  15. Jags fan conveniently missed the obvious arm holding on Brandon Cooks that cost him 2-3 catches. You can’t whine when the refs call you for blatant interference and you can’t whine when they let stuff go on both sides. The Pats just didn’t violate any where near as much as the Jags did. But they let the Jags get away with a lot. Officiating was not the reasons the Jags lost. The Jags failed to play all 60 minutes and it cost them the game. Boo hoo.

  16. filmex2000 says:

    January 23, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    I see less a conspiracy to not call fouls on the Pats, but more a trend to call ticky-tack fouls on their opponents, especially when the Pats are playing at home.
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    Which one of these calls were ticky tack?:

    – False start (Cam Robinson)
    – Illegal shift
    – Delay of game
    – Unnecessary roughness (Barry Church)
    – DPI (Bouye)
    – DPI (Ramsey)

    5 of the 6 are clear cut blatent penalties. The only one you can even argue is DPI on Bouye, although most unbiased people would agree that was DPI. You can’t just shove the WR out of bounds.

  17. All teams are pushing the rules at all times. Referee’s call games many different ways, sometimes tighter, sometimes they let them play. That’s part of football. The question is when one team gets penalties called tight, and the other team does not. One or two calls can be an error, but when the discrepancy becomes out of balance it effects the game. Personally I only saw one call go against the Jag’s I thought did not match the way the game was being called. I saw three calls not called on the Pat’s that I thought did match what was being called (two holding, one hands to the face.) Overall, probably not a major difference in the game but worth noting.

  18. rushbacker says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:02 pm
    Yep. When your O-line holds on virtually every play and it never gets called, that is undoubtedly some incredible coaching.

    So you’re saying the refs purposely ignore it when it’s the patriots

    LAME!!!!

    do you know how many holding calls were called on Jacksonville
    ZERO!!!!

  19. truesob1 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:20 pm
    Release the statistics. I want to see a statistic of average offense gained through penalties, total penalties called, and points lost by opposing teams due to penalties vs the patriots. Of course you don’t see that article anywhere, probably makes it too obvious.

    Those stats are widely available, you are just too lazy to look.

    jags averaged 6. penalties/game. MORE than the # they had in the AFCCG. Pats average 5.6 per game, but just 3.0 in their final 3 regular season games. That stretch at the end came after a bad run in Nov/early Dec when the Pats were committing a TON of penalties. BB made a big deal of that being unacceptable, coached them up on it and it paid off last weekend.

  20. Which one of these calls were ticky tack?:

    – False start (Cam Robinson)
    – Illegal shift
    – Delay of game
    – Unnecessary roughness (Barry Church)
    – DPI (Bouye)
    – DPI (Ramsey)

    5 of the 6 are clear cut blatent penalties. The only one you can even argue is DPI on Bouye, although most unbiased people would agree that was DPI. You can’t just shove the WR out of bounds.

    You are not allowed to make perfect sense when it comes to the crybabies
    They don’t want to see it that way.

    It’s easier and lazy for them to just say the “refs cheat for the Patriots”

  21. rushbacker says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:02 pm
    Yep. When your O-line holds on virtually every play and it never gets called, that is undoubtedly some incredible coaching.

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    Umm, no. Pats are as technically sound as any team in NFL history, and every OL holds, not just the Pats.

    Goodell and the owners want points, parity and the Jaguard in London.

    Wake up, kidling.

  22. rob471773 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:29 pm
    Myles Jack was down, he was in contact with Lewis as he went to the ground. Easy call, down by contact. NEXT!!!

    2 2 Thank You

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    It wasn’t even a fumble. NEXT

  23. While I don’t buy the we-just-have-better-technique bit, I have to admit that towards the end of the game the Jags D lost their composure and started making stupid mistakes in the secondary. There were a number of times where it was hard not to call PI or holding when the Jax db’s didn’t even try to look back for the ball. If they had, they would have had some picks. I think they have learned important lessons and will be better next year.

  24. There was a pregame article by one of the homer press that addressed that this weekend. The Pats penalty differential this season was 99 against the Pats, 121 against opponent, a 22 penalty difference. Note that was the 5th highest differential in the league, so 4 other teams had a larger margin of penalties called against opponents.

    Of that 22, at least 6 were 12 men on the field penalties that Brady is better than anyone else in the league at recognizing and drawing. About 10 of the others were hothead personal fouls that the Pats kept their cool over and didn’t respond to. Which leaves a roughly 6 penalties over an entire season as to other things. Belichick is universally recognized as the best coach in the league. Do you not think that great coaching reduces the number of penalties a team commits? Really?

    This is a made up “controversy” by people who dislike the Pats or who have been embarrassed by them. The fact is the Pats have had plenty of bad calls and non calls against them, they just don’t cry about them like a 3 year old that just dropped their ice cream cone in the sand. They just suck it up and keep playing hard.

  25. If you’re blaming the outcome of any game on the refs, you’re truly a loser. Refs are human and are just as much a variable factor as the weather. If the game is so close that a few calls or missed calls determine the outcome, then you straight didn’t do enough to win. If you’re good enough to win by 2 TD’s theres no way a ref can affect the game.

  26. New and improved cash drop techniques by the 4 + Billionaire . This “technique” reminds me of the Patriot “technique” to improve grip and prevent penalties. How’s the Deflator doing by the way ?

  27. Less disciplined teams get more fouls called. It’s as simple as that. I’ve seen plenty of statements how some coaches and GM’s use penalty data as part of their draft criteria. It’s easy to see that the Patriots do.

  28. I’d write a long post here, but it gets old after a while trying to educate people that have no desire to learn anything. I’m sure some time during the off season I’ll return to doing it, but for now I’ll just say

    GO PATRIOTS!

  29. Myles Jack full on swung at James White after tackling him 5 yards into the end zone after White’s TD run. Refs were right there and guess what? NO FLAGS. Stops whining Jags, that’s a loser mentality that will do you in every time. Control what you can control, shut up and DO YOUR JOB

  30. TheTruth says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:21 pm
    Jags fan conveniently missed the obvious arm holding on Brandon Cooks that cost him 2-3 catches. You can’t whine when the refs call you for blatant interference and you can’t whine when they let stuff go on both sides. The Pats just didn’t violate any where near as much as the Jags did. But they let the Jags get away with a lot. Officiating was not the reasons the Jags lost. The Jags failed to play all 60 minutes and it cost them the game. Boo hoo.

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    Been going on all year, with the mauling of Gronk. Its teams gameplans without Edelman available and so Goodell allows the cheating by the other owners to try to take down the Pats, and BB knows his team has to go above and beyond since anything can be used against the Pats to try to get them to lose. Pats have simply fought through the cheating and always have as the greatest sports franchise ever.

  31. zeuslizard says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:05 pm
    I’m sure the strip of the football being blown dead was because of great coaching as well…
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    You mean the strip by Jack, which happened (and the ball started to come out) after Dion Lewis’ backside was already down on the turf? That crappy call? Hang your hat on that one to feel better. I got a better one:

    1. JAX is rewarded the ball on that fake turnover
    2. They pull a 3 and out
    3. Amendola has an outstanding punt return
    4. Brady and Amendola roll a quick 6 on JAX
    5. JAX is never the same and crumbles. The life force is sucked out of them…they now know the L is inevitable
    6. Pats win the game and fans whine about the Ref’s bias
    7. I laugh at you

  32. Bwah ha ha ha ha ha…. I never used to buy into the Pats penalty thing, until this year. The NFL has become so rigged it’s getting harder and harder to watch.

  33. truesob1 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:20 pm

    Release the statistics. I want to see a statistic of average offense gained through penalties, total penalties called, and points lost by opposing teams due to penalties vs the patriots. Of course you don’t see that article anywhere, probably makes it too obvious.
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    I’m sure the Patriots would be one of the least penalized teams. It wouldn’t be shocking that the best coached, most disciplined team also happens to be one of the least penalized.

  34. sparty0n says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:21 pm
    The notion that referees would call fewer penalties against the Patriots in order to help them get back to another Super Bowl makes for an intriguing conspiracy theory, but it’s hardly the reality. The league office, if anything, would have a bias against the Patriots — due either to the same skewed thinking that fueled #DeflateGate or…………..

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    Oh please, the NFL wanted NE in the SuperBowl – it’s all about $

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    That makes no sense. They’re trying like hell to get Jax to London. Kahn can’t even sell out his stadium.

    London is bigger than Jacksonville and Kahn needs a new stadium….Do the math.

    People are not only jealous of NE, but tired of them.

    The non-calls on the Gronk mauls Cooks armbars or personal foul on WHite in the end zone or the non-fumble with Dion Lewis where he clearly had possession up against his leg, with his left knee down before Jack stole the ball, are all clear and obvious “helpers” for Jax.

    NE still fiought through the garbage to win…

  35. Pats are always among the least penalized teams in the yr EVERY YEAR. Because they coach it. If you commit dead ball fouls or fumble the FB you sit. Jax was the 5th most penalized team. Do the math. It’s that simple, not some ridiculous league wide conspiracy theory.

  36. quizlingclinic says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:34 pm
    truesob1 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:20 pm
    Release the statistics. I want to see a statistic of average offense gained through penalties, total penalties called, and points lost by opposing teams due to penalties vs the patriots. Of course you don’t see that article anywhere, probably makes it too obvious.

    Those stats are widely available, you are just too lazy to look.

    jags averaged 6. penalties/game. MORE than the # they had in the AFCCG. Pats average 5.6 per game, but just 3.0 in their final 3 regular season games. That stretch at the end came after a bad run in Nov/early Dec when the Pats were committing a TON of penalties. BB made a big deal of that being unacceptable, coached them up on it and it paid off last weekend.

    Sorry, that should have said Jags average 6.6 penalties/game

  37. killitandeatit says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:41 pm
    New and improved cash drop techniques by the 4 + Billionaire . This “technique” reminds me of the Patriot “technique” to improve grip and prevent penalties. How’s the Deflator doing by the way ?

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    He’s doing well. He still is working towards then end of his career before retirement in NH.

    And you?

  38. harrisonhits2 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:40 pm
    There was a pregame article by one of the homer press that addressed that this weekend. The Pats penalty differential this season was 99 against the Pats, 121 against opponent, a 22 penalty difference. Note that was the 5th highest differential in the league, so 4 other teams had a larger margin of penalties called against opponents.

    Of that 22, at least 6 were 12 men on the field penalties that Brady is better than anyone else in the league at recognizing and drawing. About 10 of the others were hothead personal fouls that the Pats kept their cool over and didn’t respond to. Which leaves a roughly 6 penalties over an entire season as to other things. Belichick is universally recognized as the best coach in the league. Do you not think that great coaching reduces the number of penalties a team commits? Really?

    This is a made up “controversy” by people who dislike the Pats or who have been embarrassed by them. The fact is the Pats have had plenty of bad calls and non calls against them, they just don’t cry about them like a 3 year old that just dropped their ice cream cone in the sand. They just suck it up and keep playing hard.

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    Great post that clearly illustrates what’s going on here! The haters will not like it!

  39. As a Pats fan I thank God the refs are in the Pats pocket…. I mean we ALL know that having the GREATEST COACH EVER & the GREATEST QB EVER has absolutely NOTHING to do with all the winning….. I mean the Pats really stink & without the refs they would probably be competing with the Browns or 70% of the other TRASH TEAMS THAT ARE DUMPSTER FIRES……
    YUP, THANK GOD FOR THOSE REFS!!!!
    Pats are NOTHING without them in their pocket!!!!
    LOL…..NOW do you TROLLS see how ignorant you look & sound??!! Probably not….. please carry on with your HALARIOUS INSIGHT…. PLEASE!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!

  40. anyone blaming the refs for jax losing is mentally weak and a complete excuse maker. the refs let both teams play hard and only called fouls that were blatant or procedural. the so called fumble that you all say should have been a td shouldnt have even been ruled a fumble to begin with. the refs were trying to give jax the game right there by even ruling that a fumble, and you still couldnt win. the fact that the jags cant look at themselves as the reason they lost shows me this team wasnt ready to take the next step anyways. they (jax) werent looking to win the game by taking chances on the field, they were looking for excuses to make after they lost. sitting on the ball before the half with 55 seconds left and 3 timeouts? play scared much? maybe if they knew what situational football was they wouldnt have taken that delay of game after the turnover and the illegal shift a cpl plays later. maybe bouye shouldnt have stupidly shoved cooks 5 yards out of bounds right in front of an official on what was a bad throw from tom anyways. maybe they should have realized by watching film last week that amendola will be the prefferred target with no gronk and no edelman. jax played scared and they lost their composure. typical of all jax teams we have disposed of over the years. blake bortles, david garrard, byron leftwich, lol. no wonder we own them. end of story.

  41. imonfire2niteoyeah says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:12 pm

    Do people forget that the league didn’t want to shelve out the money to hire refs fulltime so they went on strike and the league decided to go with replacements that were horrible in spite of them?
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    It’s hard to forget something that never happened. Most of these refs have real jobs, so why would they be concerned about being full time?

  42. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    Patriots fans only know three words:

    “Cry”

    “Whine”

    “Hater”
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    And you are 3 for 3.

  43. What a ridiculous write up. Florio tried to explain to us how are eyes are lying to us. Go watch that 4th and 2 throw in the first and tell me he didn’t blow that guy up with a flagrant illegal pick. He didn’t even try to pretend he was running a route.

    That would have pushed them out of FG range. And that PI call on Bouye was a joke.

  44. “harrisonhits2 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:40 pm
    There was a pregame article by one of the homer press that addressed that this weekend. The Pats penalty differential this season was 99 against the Pats, 121 against opponent, a 22 penalty difference. Note that was the 5th highest differential in the league, so 4 other teams had a larger margin of penalties called against opponents.”

    Terrible analysis. First it doesn’t show yards but more importantly…no context.

    Pat’s often get drive extending penalties. Their opponents get drive ending ones. This is particularly true when the game is close or the Patriots are behind. This was clear in the Titans game. Often penalties benefitting opponents oftencomein garbage time, as in the Titans game.

    Clearly in the Jax game, there was no garbage time and thus no equalization of penalties.

    Aggregate stats out of context are meaningless.

  45. tylawspick6 says
    Umm, no. Pats are as technically sound as any team in NFL history

    Were you alive to witness the Jim Thorpe or Otto Graham eras of the 40’s or 50’s, or do you have black & white video footage to prove this data-absent, subjective statement?

  46. And btw….the penalty analysis doesn’t even include all the reversed tds and reversed penalties.

    Also btw, it’s not just Jax fans complaining. It’s all fans outside of new england

  47. One thing to note here. The Patriots actually scout NFL referees that are scheduled to do their games to determine penalties they are likely to call and then adjust their game plan accordingly. I guess the Patriots really are just smarter than everyone else.

  48. helmetcatch says:
    January 23, 2018 at 3:07 pm
    “harrisonhits2 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:40 pm
    There was a pregame article by one of the homer press that addressed that this weekend. The Pats penalty differential this season was 99 against the Pats, 121 against opponent, a 22 penalty difference. Note that was the 5th highest differential in the league, so 4 other teams had a larger margin of penalties called against opponents.”

    Terrible analysis. First it doesn’t show yards but more importantly…no context.

    Pat’s often get drive extending penalties. Their opponents get drive ending ones. This is particularly true when the game is close or the Patriots are behind. This was clear in the Titans game. Often penalties benefitting opponents oftencomein garbage time, as in the Titans game.

    Clearly in the Jax game, there was no garbage time and thus no equalization of penalties.

    Aggregate stats out of context are meaningless.
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    Ridiculous! An infraction is an infraction regardless of who has the lead and when it comes in the game. Conspiracy theories are for losers.

  49. To let Patriots fans tell it, there is never a questionable — if not outright criminal — call that favors NE, when in fact half their games this season alone swung on phantom calls or non-calls that benefited NE.

    Patriots fans ought to be defense attorneys or lead witnesses for defendants on trial, they give better alibis than Al Cowlings.

  50. helmetcatch says:
    January 23, 2018 at 3:10 pm
    And btw….the penalty analysis doesn’t even include all the reversed tds and reversed penalties.

    Also btw, it’s not just Jax fans complaining. It’s all fans outside of new england
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    ALL.

  51. helmetcatch says:
    January 23, 2018 at 3:10 pm

    Also btw, it’s not just Jax fans complaining. It’s all fans outside of new england
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    No, it’s only the same few bozos that cry about anything even tangentially related to the Patriots.

    News Flash: The NFL hates the perennial success of the Patriots, and would certainly not help them advance to the Super Bowl, yet again.

  52. helmetcatch says:
    January 23, 2018 at 3:07 pm
    “harrisonhits2 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:40 pm
    There was a pregame article by one of the homer press that addressed that this weekend. The Pats penalty differential this season was 99 against the Pats, 121 against opponent, a 22 penalty difference. Note that was the 5th highest differential in the league, so 4 other teams had a larger margin of penalties called against opponents.”

    Terrible analysis. First it doesn’t show yards but more importantly…no context.

    Pat’s often get drive extending penalties. Their opponents get drive ending ones. This is particularly true when the game is close or the Patriots are behind. This was clear in the Titans game. Often penalties benefitting opponents oftencomein garbage time, as in the Titans game.

    Clearly in the Jax game, there was no garbage time and thus no equalization of penalties.
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    100% indisputable facts, backed up by plenty of game film.

  53. the notion that teams should have equal number of penalties is absurd. as absurd as thinking they should end every game tied in score.

  54. truesob1 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:20 pm
    Release the statistics. I want to see a statistic of average offense gained through penalties, total penalties called, and points lost by opposing teams due to penalties vs the patriots. Of course you don’t see that article anywhere, probably makes it too obvious.

    I want, I want, I want. “You’ll get nothing, and like it.”

  55. mmack66 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 3:01 pm
    Mr. Wright 212 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    Patriots fans only know three words:

    “Cry”

    “Whine”

    “Hater”
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    And you are 3 for 3.
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    And the Giants continue to own the Patriots.

  56. Mr Wright-it must hurt that the Giants are garbage and the Patriots are in another super bowl hence you trolling. whatever helps with the tears:)

  57. “Do people forget that the league didn’t want to shelve out the money to hire refs fulltime so they went on strike”

    Dude, the reason the refs were / are part time is they don’t want full time employment from the NFL. They went on strike for higher pay of about 175k a year and additional benefits that they get now, not to go full time.

    In fact, they are all successful business owners, attorneys etc that make far more money from their own companies than their ref pay. Which is why any claim of payoffs to the refs is ludicrous. They are all very wealthy people in their own right.

  58. “Pat’s often get drive extending penalties. Their opponents get drive ending ones. This is particularly true when the game is close or the Patriots are behind. ”

    Oh please, the Pats get plenty of drive ending penalties just as their opponents get ones that extend drives at crucial points in games.

  59. zeuslizard says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:05 pm
    I’m sure the strip of the football being blown dead was because of great coaching as well…

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    So you dont think they should have blown the whistle sooner when Lewis was down with the ball trapped against his hip?

    Im ok if you want to say Jack had more possession than Lewis at that point, He did have a lot of himself on that ball so its a valid argument. But if thats the case the Jack was down with possession right there. And such the call was correct.

    To think they should have then counted that Jack then after that briefly losing and regaining possession extends the playthats just greedy. Thats just trying too gard to find a scapegoat instead of facing the truth of the game outcome.

    How about the play Brady dropped the ball right in Cooks’s basket and he would have made the long catch except the cornerback was holding his firearm pulling it down? I guess if we are beefing about the refs lets put that one in there too.

    And all the times the Jags OL was holding when they were tryimg to pound Fournette? I guess that shouldnt have been allowed to slide.

    This is what we get into when you start cherrypicking and dissecting single fleeting moments during a full 60 minutes of football trying to find something in there to blame.

  60. I agree, officiating is difficult enough without trying to give one team an advantage. Likewise, there was no “skewed thinking that fueled #DeflateGate.” You can disagree with the severity of the punishment, but the evidence supported the conclusion that TB adjusted his footballs to try to gain a competitive advantage. Think pine tar ofna baseball bat.

  61. The Patriots are toward the bottom in most penalties committed, for the whole year, and the Jags are toward the top. Both teams showed their normal tendencies, which are reinforced by coaching and by playing style (for example, the Jags have very physical defensive backs).

    Nothing really to see here.

    I looked at all six Jags penalties and all were obvious. There were a few missed calls, both ways, but most of us prefer playoff football to not be a flag-fest and prefer that they call the obvious ones.

  62. grant35 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 3:07 pm
    tylawspick6 says
    Umm, no. Pats are as technically sound as any team in NFL history

    Were you alive to witness the Jim Thorpe or Otto Graham eras of the 40’s or 50’s, or do you have black & white video footage to prove this data-absent, subjective statement?
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    Football before 1960 doesn’t really count. Even according to the NFL some of the 1960s football doesn’t count. Geno Cappelletti deserves to be in the HoF but because his whole career was in the AFL they say his stats don’t count.

    So feel free to get off your pedantic horse and join us in the modern era.

  63. darkgoody says:
    January 23, 2018 at 3:05 pm
    What a ridiculous write up. Florio tried to explain to us how are eyes are lying to us. Go watch that 4th and 2 throw in the first and tell me he didn’t blow that guy up with a flagrant illegal pick. He didn’t even try to pretend he was running a route.
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    Blow him up?! Seriously! Looked to me like the defender stopped. Maybe if he had made more of an effort to barrel through the pick then an OPI might have been called.

  64. “harrisonhits2 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 3:32 pm
    “Pat’s often get drive extending penalties. Their opponents get drive ending ones. This is particularly true when the game is close or the Patriots are behind. ”

    Oh please, the Pats get plenty of drive ending penalties just as their opponents get ones that extend drives at crucial points in games.”

    Sure they do. I saw something in the last Superbowl I have never seen. 3 (or was it 4?) straight 3rd down conversions by penalty. All defensive holding. All on 3rd down. A whole drive by penalties. Of course Brady threw a pick six on that drive. Refs can’t do everything!

  65. The Patriots have played 18 games.

    The number of games the opponent has had more penalties: 10
    The number of games the Patriots had more penalties then their opponent: 8

    Yeah, real conspiracy stuff here

  66. Steak sandwich: please tell us about the evidence, since the NFL admitted in Federal Court they had NONE! Repeat NONE!!!!!!!!
    Besides the 21 scientists said it best in their brief to the Court. “It is not tampering. It is science “!!!

  67. This year reminded me of the Lakers-Kings series in 2002.

    “Referees A and F heavily favored Team 6. Personal fouls [resulting in obviously injured players] were ignored even when they occurred in full view of the referees. Conversely, the referees called made-up fouls on Team 5 in order to give additional free throw opportunities for Team 6. Their foul-calling also led to the ejection of two Team 5 players. The referees’ favoring of Team 6 led to that team’s victory that night, and Team 6 came back from behind to win that series.”

    This was testimony of the disgraced ref about fixing games. Team 5 was of course the Kings and Team 6 was the Lakers. The Lakers shot 27 (!!!!) free throws in the fourth quarter.

    If you notice Patriots games, any time the game was close there would miraculously be timely, and numerous, penalties on the opposing team. This happens in nearly every close game involving the Patriots. The NFL wants the Patriots to win and as a result the officiating follows suit. Like it or not Patriots fans.

    Sure, they play better in the second half but how in the world do you expect anyone to believe the Patriots didn’t commit even ONE holding call against the best pass-rushing front four in the NFL. Not a single one on either team. How does that happen when you can call holding on virtually every play. It didn’t matter though. They decided they’d call pass interference on the Jags every time Brady threw the ball deep. Boomer Esiason even mentioned it on the air at halftime about the questionable PI call.

    It’s fine. Congrats Pats fans but don’t pretend you don’t get the benefit of the doubt in nearly every second half of nearly every game. I’m sure Gruden is still mad they decided to create a rule that allowed the Pats to go to the Super Bowl. Bogus.

  68. So in the 2014 season, when the Patriots won the Superbowl vs seahawks,was the nfl and refs “helping” the Patriots.If they were how were they tied for 4th most penalties with 120?You haters are annoyingly unintelligent.

  69. Brady threw the ball deep. Boomer Esiason even mentioned it on the air at halftime about the questionable PI call.
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    Problem is they didn’t call PI on every long pass play by the Pats. And if they wanted ticky-tack excuses they could have. Pulling of Gronk’s jersey as he ran down field. Arm bars on cooks. The two called PI’s were blatant. Cooks was pushed out of bounds and the second one involved a chokehold on the receiver before the ball even got there. Complain all you want about the push out of bounds but that was a big mental mistake by Bouye. He had position on Cooks and could have easily defended or even intercepted the ball if he had not engaged him and pushed him out of bounds.

  70. darkgoody says:
    January 23, 2018 at 3:05 pm
    What a ridiculous write up. Florio tried to explain to us how are eyes are lying to us. Go watch that 4th and 2 throw in the first and tell me he didn’t blow that guy up with a flagrant illegal pick. He didn’t even try to pretend he was running a route.

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    Pick was within 1 yard of scrimmage. Perfectly legal.
    Next?

  71. matiberio says:
    January 23, 2018 at 3:25 pm

    the notion that teams should have equal number of penalties is absurd. as absurd as thinking they should end every game tied in score.
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    Patriot hater logic now dictates that teams can’t legitimate wins unless the winning team is called for at least as many penalties as the losing team in any game.

    Good teams will now have to commit intentional fall starts, intentional delay of games, intentional illegal shifts, and intentional unnecessary roughness penalties whenever they are playing a less disciplined team. Otherwise morons will claim that the win was given to them by the referees.

  72. If Kraft paid the refs to throw the game for the Patriots, he really should ask for his money back. Do you know how many penalties were called in the second half? ONE. One flag was thrown over the entire second half (Ramsey’s DPI). So you’re telling me that Kraft paid off the refs to throw a grand total of one flag in the second half and let the Patriots go into the fourth quarter down by 10? Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.

  73. sparty0n says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:21 pm
    The notion that referees would call fewer penalties against the Patriots in order to help them get back to another Super Bowl makes for an intriguing conspiracy theory, but it’s hardly the reality. The league office, if anything, would have a bias against the Patriots — due either to the same skewed thinking that fueled #DeflateGate or…………..

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    Oh please, the NFL wanted NE in the SuperBowl – it’s all about $


    Wait,without t? The nfl wants NE in a super bowl that no one will watch if they’re in it because it’s fixed?
    Two weeks now we’ve been reading from many that they are done yet strangely return each week to complain about the game they didn’t watch.

  74. The crew swallowed their whistles on offensive holding for both teams at the line of scrimmage. They let them play. Most of the other difference were on those two obvious PI cals and the delay of game. Losers complain about penalties. The Patriots won that game because the Jags went conservative and Bortles was less than average in the second half.

    All of the whining and complaining is a loser thing to do. I know it because I’ve been a Pats for close to 50 years and, before 2001, complained about all of the teams that won getting the breaks.

  75. common sense that the best coached, most disciplined team in history has the fewest penalties – been doing that for a long time. now stuff down some more nachos, whine and make excuses like the fat boys always did in grade school.

  76. If the Refs are skewing the game in order for the Pats to win then why didn’t the NFL overturn the Lewis fumble when the Pats were driving down the field? There are many people who don’t think it was a fumble, me included, along with long time NFL writer Peter King. The ball was trapped against Lewis’ hip with his hand when his knee touched the ground, The NFL could have easily ruled the runner down and still had control of the ball. People would have complained but the NFL shouldn’t care because the Pats are in the Super Bowl, which is what they wanted, right(?), and people are complaining anyways. Only this time b/c of supposedly a fast whistle. No one knew Jack had the ball until he got up and started running. The Refs thought the play was over when Lewis was tackled and blew the whistle. It was a bang, bang play. Fans sitting at home on their couches watching on replay think officiating a game is that easy. They have other players often obscuring their view from where the ball is, it happened in less than a second and when Jack took the ball he was on top of Lewis, rolling over him with the ball in his hands. It’s not like the ball was bouncing on the field and was picked up.

    Losers that complain about the Refs are just that, losers. They complain about everything and everyone for all the set backs in their lives. Try being a Ref for a children’s sports league, I have and it isn’t easy. I can only imagine how hard high school and above are with the players being much much faster. It also upsets me that people question the integrity of people they don’t know and have never met but have no problem calling them liars and cheaters. Maybe they’re revealing their own integrity when they question others who they don’t know.

  77. When the head coach feels like he must explain why they got zero penalties on defense and zero penalties on offense, nothing more needs to be said. Totally obvious that there is more than a little bit of interest in how this game was “officiated”. I could leave it up to the Patriot fans to explain it but now everyone is talking.

  78. Refs missed two bvious PIs on Jags against Gronk and Hogan. And Lewis play was not a fumble, watch Doug Baldwin’s leg catch, if that’s a catch then Lewis was down by securing ball to his hip. Missed and bad calls happen to every team. Pats aren’t immune.

  79. “styro1 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 7:27 pm
    If the Refs are skewing the game in order for the Pats to win then why didn’t the NFL overturn the Lewis fumble when the Pats were driving down the field? There are many people who don’t think it was a fumble, me included, along with long time NFL writer Peter King. The ball was trapped against Lewis’ hip with his hand when his knee touched the ground, The NFL could have easily ruled the runner down and still had control of the ball.”

    It’s not about people’s integrity. There is clear, and MAJOR financial impact to the league based on who won that game. Who knows, possibly tens of millions.

    Clearly, the patriots and tom brady (the biggest star in the league) are going to bring ratings, at least more than the Jags. On the last play, a 3rd and long, dion lewis converted, but there was a very clear hold (photos all over the internet). That was not accidentally missed by the refs. The league did not want to take a chance that Blake Bortles pulls a Case Keenum and wins the game with seconds left.

  80. The REFS the REFS the REFS (In tattoos voice)
    The tinfoil hats FANTASY ISLAND
    LOL
    So funny to read all those butt hurt whining!!!

  81. absolutevisuals says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:12 pm
    That was good technique on the holding that wasn’t called on the final play, or the interference AND facemask that Butler clearly simultaneously did to Lee that wasn’t flagged.

    Yeah, great technique there Bill. Wonderful technique!
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    Did you see a safety for the jags safety holding cooks’ arm on a deep ball in double coverage? How about white being body slammed in the end zone 4 yards deep after a touchdown? Did you miss the uppercut to the chin white got after getting up? How about the referees going out of their way to shake hands with bortles before he took his first snap? You had a false start, illegal shift, delay of game, PI around a receiver’s neck by Ramsey that you can’t argue and a helmet hit on gronk. Are the refs supposed to put the flags away for those, too?

  82. Do people forget that the league didn’t want to shelve out the money to hire refs fulltime so they went on strike and the league decided to go with replacements that were horrible in spite of them? The refs are open to highest bidder and kraft is the highest bidder. And it’s a bonus that they are giving the league the middle finger by helping the patriots.

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    So you’re saying the ref union, largey successful attorneys and businessmen who are refereeing part time, are perpetrating a major criminal conspiracy that’s only benefiting the Pats. Got it.

  83. “I have to admit that towards the end of the game the Jags D lost their composure and started making stupid mistakes in the secondary”

    There was one (1) penalty called in the second half of that game. It came with six minutes left in the third quarter and was an indisputable DPI (Ramsey had his arm around Cooks’ neck before the ball got there). So whatever the Jaguars did or didn’t do towards the end of the game, there were no penalties called on them. The Patriots punted three plays later, were still down 10, and no more penalties were called in the game, on either team.

  84. What technique was #69 using on that 3rd and 18 with 10:49 left in the game? The hold/hug/spin/tackle that didn’t get called on the biggest conversion of the game. I only mention that because it was more obvious than the hold/facemask #71 had.

    Tell me more about how the refs called a fair game with that clean stat sheet for offense and defense.

  85. 2nd least penalized team the past 3 years. It’s not because they practice with refs all through training camp. It’s clearly because the refs are being paid off by the Pats.

    At some point convenient excuses have to get out of the way of reality.

  86. swagjag says:
    January 24, 2018 at 9:14 am
    What technique was #69 using on that 3rd and 18 with 10:49 left in the game? The hold/hug/spin/tackle that didn’t get called on the biggest conversion of the game. I only mention that because it was more obvious than the hold/facemask #71 had.

    Tell me more about how the refs called a fair game with that clean stat sheet for offense and defense.
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    Hmmmm …. maybe it was a make up call for the blatant holding call on MButler during that 20 yard swing pass to Grant? Or the mugging and punch tot he helmet from Jack on the White TD run? Must be the refs didn’t see those either?

  87. These maniacs have become well-versed in defending and deflecting criticism of the obvious game-rigging the officials engage in on the part of the Patriots. There’s no reasoning for them. They have an answer — nonsense or otherwise, and it’s almost always the former — for everything. Why bother?

  88. fireroger says:
    January 24, 2018 at 9:52 am
    2nd least penalized team the past 3 years. It’s not because they practice with refs all through training camp. It’s clearly because the refs are being paid off by the Pats.

    At some point convenient excuses have to get out of the way of reality.
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    Or reality contradicts everything you maniacs do week in and week out as the only people (term used loosely) who refuse to acknowledge what everyone else sees.

    Ain’t no “hate” or “jealousy” on this side, either. You got nothing on my team.

  89. You can always tell on Patriots-related stories when facts about that team are being spoken, there are a million thumbs down and a half dozen or so thumbs up on the comments LOL

  90. straighcashhomey says:
    January 23, 2018 at 3:26 pm
    Mr Wright-it must hurt that the Giants are garbage and the Patriots are in another super bowl hence you trolling. whatever helps with the tears:)
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    It doesn’t.

    But keep thinking that people are “jealous”, “crying”, “whining” and “hate” the Patriots.

    Living vicariously through a known cheating enterprise while being a loser in your own life is what surely hurts.

  91. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    January 24, 2018 at 10:50 am

    It doesn’t.

    But keep thinking that people are “jealous”, “crying”, “whining” and “hate” the Patriots.

    Living vicariously through a known cheating enterprise while being a loser in your own life is what surely hurts.
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    3-13. Plenty of room for you in Foxboro.

  92. Hey Jag’s players and fans if you want to play with the big boys you have to stop acting like little boys. You lost because the other team outplayed you.

  93. Watch the tape

    Six calls against the Jags.

    Three presnap penalties.

    Two PIs, one for a chokehold of Cooks before the ball arrived and the other continual contact down the sideline and a push OB.

    The other head to head contact causing a concussion.

    Complaints about this games officiating pretty much explain the fans call them not as they are but how the want them to be. Similar to politics.

  94. truesob1 says:
    January 23, 2018 at 2:20 pm
    Release the statistics. I want to see a statistic of average offense gained through penalties, total penalties called, and points lost by opposing teams due to penalties vs the patriots.

    The Problem with this idea is the Patriots are not AVERAGE. Fumble,do stupid penalties, insult other teams or players and you will find yourself on a plane to Cleveland . You could also add to that list whining about penalties

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