Mike Pereira: Myles Jack play shows we expect too much of officials

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Jaguars linebacker Myles Jack was robbed of what could have been a game-sealing touchdown when a quick whistle ended the play after he recovered a fumble on the ground, got up untouched, and raced toward the end zone. But is it fair to blame the official for keeping Jacksonville out of the Super Bowl?

Not according to former NFL head of officiating Mike Pereira, who says a play like that shows just how hard it is to be an NFL official.

“That play was incredibly hard to officiate,” Pereira told Peter King of SI.com. “In a second, the ball is loose, maybe re-possessed, maybe recovered by the other team, and maybe the recovering player was touched as he fell. All in about a second. No one really questioned that in real time, only after watching it over and over again. That’s about the most difficult call an official would have to make. . . . Officiating anymore is not realistic. There is no consideration any longer of real-time officiating. You ask 130 officials, and they would tell you that is the most frustrating part of their job. You have to live with it. They make a call in real time, and they’re criticized after people watch replay after replay. The expectations are just amazing. The only level of acceptability is 100 percent. Replay and technology has put so much more emphasis on the really tight judgment plays that are so difficult to officiate.”

Pereira has a point: Everything happened very quickly on that play, and it’s not surprising that the official who blew his whistle thought Jack was down. Still, that’s a play on which you’d hope an official wouldn’t blow his whistle unless he’s absolutely certain the play is over. It was a very close call, one it’s understandable for the official to miss — even if it’s also understandable why Jaguars fans think a bad call cost them a trip to the Super Bowl.

182 responses to “Mike Pereira: Myles Jack play shows we expect too much of officials

  1. I questioned it instantly, and I was in a room full of Patriots fans. Some of them thought it wasn’t a clear fumble but NONE of them thought Jack was touched after he got possession. MDS says it correctly in the last paragraph. Don’t blow the whistle unless you’re sure; you’re not officiating what probably happened or what you think happened. Let them play and only call what you’re certain of.

  2. This is years old debate and the refs should have let it play out. I mean there is a chance to reverse the ship on its right course. NFL has the integrity of a prison system.

  3. A few things here, and I really wanted to the Jags to win – the call didn’t cost them the trip to the Superbowl, their second half and most importantly; fourth quarter play did. (I had more issue with the end of the 1st half PI call more than anything)

    I would really, really like to see the refs call it liberal on the field and correct the calls with replay afterwords – especially since we are going to use the replay anyways.

  4. Right the play was hard to officiate so you err on the side of letting it continue and sorting it out later. You don’t blow it dead and then ultimately figure out that you made the wrong call and now there’s nothing you can do about it. It’s very, very simple and if these guys can’t figure it out they’re in the wrong line of work

  5. Not that hard to figure out. Instead of blowing a quick whistle, let the play go, THEN review to make sure the proper call is made.

  6. Or others think the Patriots player had possession, holding the ball against his hip with his knee down when the ball was ultimately ripped away. Even in slow motion it is impossible to say for certain one way or the other. I don’t know how a fair minded individual could criticize the refs for this one. They get a pass on this one.

  7. .
    It was a very murky play at best . After watching the replay a dozen times with Nantz and Romo, I wasn’t even sure if it was a fumble. The whole sequence made this a near impossible call for the officials in real time.
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  8. “it’s not surprising that the official who blew his whistle thought Jack was down. “

    Did he blow the whistle because he thought Jack was down, or did he blow it because he thought Lewis – who was, after all the ball carrier, and still had the ball in his hand when he hit the ground – was down?

  9. It was never even a fumble. Lewis’ backside was down. One thing its was however was the start of the Jags collapse. They did nothing after that and the Pats shoved it down their throats. Their offense and defense were never the same.

  10. Let’s be real. The whistle was blown to protect the Patriots. Everyone knows a 17 point lead at that point would have been nearly insurmountable. What is happening in the NFL makes me sick to my stomach.

  11. Symptomatic of our participation trophy society ..everyone who doesn’t get their desired outcome is a victim ..they were robbed ..there’s a conspiracy ..grow up snowflakes.

  12. I, for one, was shocked to see this call go in favor of the Patriots. When has that ever happened? That poor team can never catch a break.

  13. The refs were only calling the most egregious penalties (like they do every playoff game). Both teams benefited from non-calls. It’s really silly to suggest otherwise.

    That said, even if we all agreed the Jack play was a fumble (which is still debatable) it does little to change the fact Jax failed to get any points off the turnover. They got 6 points the entire 2nd half. The refs may not have helped but they most certainly didn’t cost them a trip to the SB.

  14. robigd says:
    January 24, 2018 at 8:25 am
    Let’s be real. The whistle was blown to protect the Patriots. Everyone knows a 17 point lead at that point would have been nearly insurmountable. What is happening in the NFL makes me sick to my stomach.
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    Ok. Let’s get real. If the refs wanted to ensure 17 points sealed the game why call it a fumble to begin with?

  15. This play didn’t bother me NEARLY as much as the ref celebrating with the Pats in the end zone after a TD, or the fact that the first person to congratulate Brady after the game ended was a ref.

    The NFL may not be playing favorites but you can’t ignore the fact that the on-field refs damn sure are.

  16. This is exactly why they shouldn’t be blowing the whistle so quickly. Just let plays happen organically, then go back and use replay if there is a question.

  17. JoJoPoon99 says:
    January 24, 2018 at 8:27 am
    I, for one, was shocked to see this call go in favor of the Patriots. When has that ever happened? That poor team can never catch a break.

    Amen to that!

  18. “The whistle was blown to protect the Patriots. Everyone knows a 17 point lead at that point would have been nearly insurmountable.”

    Objection, your honor! Assumes facts not in evidence…

    When Jack gained possession of the ball, lying on the ground, he was at the feet of Patriots’ offensive tackle Nate Solder, who looked him but, because the whistle had already blown, didn’t jump on him. In addition, there were multiple Patriots between Jack and the goal line, including very fast receivers. Again, no one went after him because the whistle had already blown…

    If the officials were trying to aid the Patriots and screw the Jaguars there, what would have happened is they would have come out of the review and said, “the call on the field is overturned – the runner still had possession of the ball when his knee hit the ground.”

  19. That said, even if we all agreed the Jack play was a fumble (which is still debatable) it does little to change the fact Jax failed to get any points off the turnover.

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    They would have gotten 7 points off of the turnover if the ref would have let it play out.

  20. Robbed? good grief. Even replay could not confirm the ball was fumbled in the first place. Reverse the teams and everyone is crying about the Patriots getting a break.

  21. Just an FYI…. Jags LOST
    PATS are on to SB 52……
    Let’s try to live in the now & not the past…..

  22. I get it Mike, nobody likes their decisions and job judged by replay or second guessing. But this is a multi billion dollar industry being officiated by part time employees with zero ramifications if they don’t do a good job.
    Enough of the excuses year after year. Start holding officials accountable and also reward them for exceptional performance.
    Too many calls are being made that are judgemental. We all know there is holding on each and every play. It’s only called when an official feels it is blatant enough OR simply is told by the head official to not call it at all. And in some cases told to call it very often. The same goes for PI calls. Too many times it’s painful to watch a QB throw the ball basically 40 yards downfield and hope for an official to see some ticky tack contact and toss flag. Listen folks, 40 yard swing is a game changer and most times deflates the mojo of the defense.
    The most blatant calls that are missed are the offensive pick plays. Brady has made a living off that play. Every team does it but its just another example of officials keeping the flag in the wasteband until he decides to toss it or is told to toss it.

  23. Solution is simple. Allow the play to play out. All turnovers and touchdowns are reviewed. If replay shows he was down, you bring the play back. If he wasn’t and Myles scores, it’s a touchdown. (Do we really need to pay people millions and millions of dollars to figure this out?)

  24. Let’s be real. The whistle was blown to protect the Patriots. Everyone knows a 17 point lead at that point would have been nearly insurmountable. What is happening in the NFL makes me sick to my stomach.

    No lead is insurmountable. You gotta believe. That is what makes the Patriots so great.

    28 – 3

  25. Pereiera…..Just shut up…..The Game is over and the Pats won…whatever you say you can’t change the outcome. Your just getting your name in the headlines.

  26. What I find more disturbing in all of this is the witch hunt going on about the officiating being in favor of the Patriots. Even CBS a supposedly neutral body reviewed at half time the penalties that went against the Jags with a cynical Tony Romo and even Jim Nance and that was for the second week in a row.

    I say it every time, if you are this conspiracy theorist that thinks the NFL is rigged for New England to win come up with reasons why the NFL LOVE the Patriots so much when the guy at the top and his cronies in the NFL head office would like nothing more than for the Patriots to lose every single week. They HATE them.

  27. They could have called that Patriots ball with no Jack recovery. Lewis was down with his hand on the ball against his knee. The question is whether that is possession. It’s a tough call. Just because the ball came loose and it was easily taken away when Lewis had his hand on it against his side doesn’t mean it WAS loose. That play could have been called four different ways.

  28. If the Jags think that’s why they lost the game, then they won’t make it back to another Championship Game.

  29. This is absurd. It is no different than when a receiver bobbles the ball after initial contact. He is called down by contact every time even if he was not touched when he gained control of the ball.

    The guy is rolling over the running back on the ground as he steals the ball from him. He is down by contact. Get over it.

  30. Why am I not surprised the the former head of officiating doesn’t know that by the rulebook definition Jack was indeed down by contact?
    Because the person that recovered never lost posession, “down by contact” begins as soon as the fumble begins and the play ends the next point he hits the ground.
    SMH
    But hey, whatever continues to generate headlines…………

  31. Seems easy enough, err on the side of what can’t be brought back

    If you let the play go and end up wrong, then yes that’s embarrassing, BUT everything in that play can be reviewed and potentially settled via replay

    If you cut the play short with a premature whistle and are wrong, then you just boned one of the teams

    And as for the assertions of conspiracy: never assume malice when stupidity will suffice

  32. Hey, players can kneel all they want, i don’t care, i’ll still watch football. But when refs clearly continue to affect outcomes year after year, that’s what is making me get very close to being done with football. I mean, they can make the right call that it was a fumble, but they can’t see that he didn’t gain possession until after he was contacted? That means NOT down by contact, let him get up and run with it. Calls like that, and the missed calls some teams seem to get in their favor, i’m getting close to calling it quits. Very close.

  33. I must admit the crying by anti-patriot Nation about the Jaguars getting a break because a TD was not awarded after a close fumble call on the field “stood” is funny. The funniest whines are about a ref celebrating with NE players after the White TD. White scored and well after the play was thrown on his head in the endzone. several players went to his defense and shoved the jaguars player of White. The ref got in the middle of the fray and separated the players. As the ref did this he was blindsided accidentally by a Patriots lineman. The lineman grabbed the ref from falling and immediately started to apologize and indicate it was accidental and not worthy of ejection from the game. The ref, to his credit, began smiling and saying “I know, I know”. Celebrating? laughable.

  34. Its not that hard to be an official. When in doubt, let the play continue. If you, as an official, cannot clearly see someone be touched and be down then dont blow the whistle. All turnovers are reviewed by default, so there is literally no reason to blow that play dead early

  35. neilpountney says:
    January 24, 2018 at 8:40 am
    What I find more disturbing in all of this is the witch hunt going on about the officiating being in favor of the Patriots. Even CBS a supposedly neutral body reviewed at half time the penalties that went against the Jags with a cynical Tony Romo and even Jim Nance and that was for the second week in a row.

    I say it every time, if you are this conspiracy theorist that thinks the NFL is rigged for New England to win come up with reasons why the NFL LOVE the Patriots so much when the guy at the top and his cronies in the NFL head office would like nothing more than for the Patriots to lose every single week. They HATE them.
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    Only the truly ignorant and Patriot Hater dopes believe the league wants to rig games for the Patriots and help them win.

    The same league who stole 2 first round picks from fabricated and embellished cheating scandals, dragged the team through the dirt, dragged Tom Brady into court to suspend him for no other reason whatsoever other than because they can and whose commissioner publicly labelled Tom Brady a cheater based on said fabricated scandal.

    Right.

  36. For the “Why not let it go” argument and let replay fix it… you could say that about everything thats auto replayed. Touchdowns, interceptions, fumbles…

    The problem is, there are 3 outcomes to replay. Stands, confirmed and overturned. If an official calls a play hoping for replay to fix it, they are standing on that side of the call, even though they think the opposite.

    On this play, the replay “STANDS as called” Which means, even with super slow motion and freeze frame, they were not even sure that it was a fumble. People are just looking for excuses as to why the Jags lost.

  37. kemp13 says: “This play didn’t bother me NEARLY as much as the ref celebrating with the Pats in the end zone after a TD, or the fact that the first person to congratulate Brady after the game ended was a ref.”
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    You wouldn’t look like an idiot saying that if you actually watched the entire play – the back judge Tony Steratore ran in to break up the scuffle between Jags safety Gipson and the Pats Cameron Fleming and only when Fleming said something did Tony laugh.

    As for refs congratulating players at end of games, it’s happens EVERY single NFL game. Pay attention. Like tennis players shaking the chair umps’ hands, it’s called sportsmanship.

  38. I guess the officials stopped the Jags defense on that 3rd and 18 play the Pats converted.

    I guess the officials made the Jags get a delay of game penalty, after a timeout.

    I guess the officials made the Jags get conservative when they had a 2 score lead.

    Enough already.

  39. My issue is this. If Jack is uninvolved, then Lewis has fumbled, recovered, pinned it to his hip, and then he is down when his knee touches.

    Can he advance the ball at this point? No. The play is over.

    Why then, after the knee is down, and the play over, can someone remove the ball and have it called a fumble? If it was a non-stop continuation of the fumble it makes sense, but once the ball stops moving and the knee is down, it seems like the play should be over.

  40. Why is it so hard for the officials to be told DON’T BLOW THE WHISTLE? Let the action play out to its conclusion. When you blow the whistle you are ending the play with no chance for review. If you don’t blow the whistle the play can be reviewed and corrected. Triplette took this to an extreme by blowing the whistle in the middle of a sack. Same goes for a TD. If it’s remotely close, the official should call it a TD because the play will be reviewed and corrected. If he doesn’t call it a TD, the play is not reviewed even though it may be a TD. This isn’t rocket science, but leave it to Goodell to mess it up.

  41. .
    Let’s not forget that over a period of several years, Pereira has been a fair and honest broker when discussing calls on the field. He has the respect of both the fans and the media when it comes to integrity.
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  42. IN Chiefs playoff game, Jeff tripplette called a “Forward Progress” on a sack fumble play. Might be the single dumbest call I have seen in all my years of watching football. M Pereira, should we not expect refs to invent fake calls in a playoff game?

  43. kemp13 says: “This play didn’t bother me NEARLY as much as the ref celebrating with the Pats in the end zone after a TD, or the fact that the first person to congratulate Brady after the game ended was a ref.”
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    This one took the cake though, Are people really this stupid?yes they are.

    Ref comes to break up fight
    Ref realizes he just broke up 2 Patriot players celebrating
    Ref laughs
    Internet says Patriots and refs are involved in collusion to destroy the NFL and place them in the Super Bowl, again.

    Now, how stupid do you feel?

  44. The Pats are the BETTER TEAM & they WON…..
    Deal with it or don’t…..
    We Pats fans are on to the SuperBowl…..& probably will continue to do that until Brady & BB retire……
    Life is GOOD in Patriot Nation & has been for a LONG TIME & will be for a few more years for reasons I stated above!!!
    Go Pats!!!!

  45. How was that even a fumble? Dion Lewis still had possession of the ball as his knee touched the ground. Both he and Myles Jack had their hands on the ball as his knee touched the ground. Dual possession would go to the Patriots. Jack had yet to rip the ball away from Lewis yet. Refs should have overturned the fumble

  46. Lost in all of this is the fact that the Jags still got the football with great field position and did nothing with it. They couldn’t even get a first down. So while it is unfortunate that there may have been a quick whistle, the Jags still had every opportunity to put points on the board and blew it.

  47. jeffreyshulenburg says: “Its not that hard to be an official. When in doubt, let the play continue.”
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    No, you call every play exactly AS YOU SEE IT.

    And there are dozens of reasons to blow the whistle if the referee believes he was down. But the primarily it’s for player SAFETY. When a player thinks he’s down, he’ll ease up (like runners going out of bounds and then getting unexpectantly crushed.) But without a whistle, the Pats players (like Solders standing near him) would plow him over and risking unneccessary injury to Jack.

  48. Unintended consequences in the “let it play out” mindset. Players could get injured as one. Also, penalties, such as inappropriate celebration, taunting, other unsportsmanlike conduct and personal fouls do not result in flags being undone when the review determines that the play is reversed.

    Finally, what happens when a ref is 90% certain of what they saw, yet allows to let it play out just in case, and replay is not conclusive enough to undo a decision based totally on slight uncertainty? It doesn’t seem right that a play where an official didn’t kill the play, despite that he thought it was over, would end up upheld due to imperfect camera angle. Yet, that would be the unintended consequence of “letting it play out”.

    Play should be killed unless ref has significant uncertainty as to what he saw. If he believes he saw it right then he should kill the play, as was the case with the Jack fumble.

  49. I can understand the ref’s impossible position. 1. Blow the whistle and stop the play and you cost them the game. Or 2. Let the play continue and a player gets hurt and the world blames you for that, because you let a dead play continue. No win situation with replay to nit-pick every critical call. Human error is part of the game.

  50. “dannyabramowitz says:
    January 24, 2018 at 9:02 am

    Why is it so hard for the officials to be told DON’T BLOW THE WHISTLE?”

    Danny, there is, and always has been a purpose to blowing the whistle. Officials are instructed to sound the whistle so that PLAY STOPS. Play stops so that there are not injuries and players are at that time charged with ceasing any aggressiveness. When the whistle sounds late there is added risk to fights breaking out, in addition to injuries.

    Officials are taught from prior to the first game they ever call that the whistle should be blown immediately when play is deemed to be over. That doesn’t excuse them for getting it wrong, that doesn’t mean that there should not be a hesitation when uncertain–but it does mean that if they see something that triggers a ‘play is over’ thought process it is their job to blow the whistle as soon as possible and protect ALL participants.

  51. I’m ok with the call, it was close and could have gone either way. It’s the dozens of other calls the refs botched this season and then the head of officiating saying they got the call right that concerns me

  52. If he had been down… and then no whistle… and then someone hit him and caused an injury…. everyone would be saying “Why didn’t they blow the whistle? They must not really want to protect the players.”

  53. ExitStrategy says:
    January 24, 2018 at 9:08 am

    Lost in all of this is the fact that the Jags still got the football with great field position and did nothing with it. They couldn’t even get a first down. So while it is unfortunate that there may have been a quick whistle, the Jags still had every opportunity to put points on the board and blew it.

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    Also, let’s not forget that the Jags were still up by 10 points when this call occurred, so it’s not like this call it them the game. Conservative play calling, inability to score in the second half, clock mismanagement, undisciplined defensive play resulting in penalties, and the defense’s inability to contain Brady and Amendola in the 2nd half are the reasons why Jacksonville lost.

    To me it looked like it wasn’t a fumble, but apparently the rules allow for taking the ball away when the runner is on the ground. Anyway, a bad call negating a touchdown for the Jags seems like appropriate karma for a dirty play which deliberately injured the Patriots #1 offensive weapon to remove him from the game. No sympathy here.

  54. They ended up calling it down the middle. One guy could say Dion re-possessed the ball, the other could say Miles deserves a touchdown. Well guess what? Dudes woulda chased Miles if there was no whistle blown. Plenty of Pats in the area who stopped playing at the whistle, so that’s close to how it woulda played out anyways.

  55. Ref comes to break up fight
    Ref realizes he just broke up 2 Patriot players celebrating
    Ref laughs
    Internet says Patriots and refs are involved in collusion to destroy the NFL and place them in the Super Bowl, again.
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    Came here to post something similar – watch the entire video clip of that sequence and not just the pic on twitter. The ref jumps in to break up what he thought was a scuffle after the Jack tackle in the end zone and while pushing the Pats offensive lineman away from White you can see him smiling and saying “I know, I know” as in – I know that you’re trying to celebrate and not fighting.

    And the grief about the ref at the end of the game grabbing TB and saying good game and congratulations, what’s wrong with that? Jeez, the guy just witnessed a QB come back from 10 down in the 4th qtr and is about to go to his 8th SB, I’d congratulate him as well, it was an incredible game and those guys got to witness it.

  56. Dion Lewis tagged Jack after he rolled away, it was clear as day. Down by contact.

    Swallowing the whistle there would have been the wrong call. Fact. Not opinion. Period.

    Facts are facts cupcakes. You don’t have to like facts but that doesn’t make them any less factual.

  57. There is no way Jack was just going to stroll into the end zone. The whistle blew and the Pats all stopped playing. Solder was right there and there were receivers between Jack and the end zone. And then they went three and out with good field position, failing to capitalize on the turnover.

    The fact of the matter is the Jags failed to seal the game with multiple opportunities. Why don’t you Jags fan ask Marone why he kneeled on the ball with 55 seconds, 2 time outs, a kicker capable of drilling 55 yd field goals, and the ball back at halftime? Just terrible coaching and zero faith in his QB to get 35 or 40 yards in that situation.

    6 points in the second half. Marone made no adjustments and their offense was shut down. Brady and Amendola took care of the rest.

  58. This play didn’t bother me NEARLY as much as the ref celebrating with the Pats in the end zone after a TD


    The ref did not celebrate with the Pats. He was laughing like a goof because the Patriots were (and rightfully) complaining that White was body slammed in the end zone and no flag was thrown.

    Again. Fact, not opinion.

  59. spudzzzz says:
    January 24, 2018 at 8:38 am
    Let’s be real. The whistle was blown to protect the Patriots. Everyone knows a 17 point lead at that point would have been nearly insurmountable. What is happening in the NFL makes me sick to my stomach.

    No lead is insurmountable. You gotta believe. That is what makes the Patriots so great.

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    If you really want to protect the Patriots then you blow the whistle at that moment when Lewis was down and still had the ball trapped against his hip. Then it would have stayed Patriots ball. It could be argued that the Jags got a gift on the vety play the haters are crying about.

    The refs either missed that moment that Lewis was down with possetion, or felt that Jack having his hands on it had more possession than Lewis. Its ok if you want to argue that as the reason the Pats should not have been awareded the ball back. But also in that case then Jack is on the ground in contact with Lewis at that point and the call was correct.

  60. If the officials were trying to aid the Patriots and screw the Jaguars there, what would have happened is they would have come out of the review and said, “the call on the field is overturned – the runner still had possession of the ball when his knee hit the ground.”


    Precisely. If they wanted to help nudge the Patriots to a win, that is exactly what would have happened.

    It didn’t. Go figure.

  61. I don’t buy it. The refs often let the play go for a while on offsides penalties (when the whistle should be blown at the infraction) but somehow they blow early on this when it doesn’t go the Patriots (or the league’s) way. I am not a conspiracy theorist – I leave that to the genius pool of commenters here. But I do think it is funny that when faced with potential small market SB something like this BS happens. No way JAX shouldn’t have won on a clear play where he had a clear path to the end zone. Forget all the calls/non-calls that everyone is complaining about. That was a clear path to the end zone in a clear game sealing moment. Whistle should never have been blown.

  62. I said it before & I’ll say it again. The NFL Rulebook is too complicated. One simple change to help make their job easier would be to eliminate the requirement for the player possessing the ball to be touched down. That’s the way it is in Pop Warner, High School & College. Why does it have to be different in the NFL?

  63. The NFL refs are the best in the world at what they do. At some point in the future, the games will be monitored from video screens in the booth and the right calls will be phoned into the ref’s ear. It will all be done in real time and will actually take a lot less time than the primitive way they do it now. The NFL is a little slow to embrace technology, and we’re a conservative nation who’s afraid of too much change. But we’re moving in that direction. It’s all good.

  64. sexyrexy5000 says:
    January 24, 2018 at 8:16 am
    If that was a Jags running back and a Patriots defender I guarantee we’d be hearing how he never truly lost possession and the Patriots get all the calls

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    If that was a Jags running back and a Patriots defender, the ref probably would not have blown the whistle.

  65. Ignore the change of possession. It really is immaterial as to whether Jack was down or not. Examine the play as if Jack was a running back and Lewis was a tackler. Would Jack be ruled down in a similar circumstance? Yes, his butt hit the ground after rolling off Lewis. That was the correct call.

  66. kemp13 says:
    January 24, 2018 at 8:29 am
    This play didn’t bother me NEARLY as much as the ref celebrating with the Pats in the end zone after a TD, or the fact that the first person to congratulate Brady after the game ended was a ref.

    The NFL may not be playing favorites but you can’t ignore the fact that the on-field refs damn sure are.
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    I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve seen a ref “celebrate” with the winning team. I can’t believe the spin being put on this as something unique and out of character. Quite simply, just because you’ve seen it once doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened before or that it feeds into a conspiracy theory with the refs. Give it a break already.

  67. “Maybe re-possessed”? The replay showed us the ball was possessed agaisnt his leg, with no space of any kind between the ball and his leg, with no jostling or moving of the ball. And then, his knee hit the ground, all before Jack took the ball away.

    What is replay for if the refs don’t want to use it?

  68. Jags fan here. Those that think the refs blew the wistle to help the Patriots are delusional and jealous of tboer success. Yes they blew it early. Just like the other 4 they did that affected the Jags those year. Maybe he blew it thinking the rb was down. Maybe he lost sight of the ball. Who knows. Only remedy is to end forward progress after fumble. While I am at it, pass interference should be 1/2 the distance of the o fraction. 40 yards down field equals 20 yard penalty.

  69. r8dernation says:
    January 24, 2018 at 8:48 am
    Hey, players can kneel all they want, i don’t care, i’ll still watch football. But when refs clearly continue to affect outcomes year after year, that’s what is making me get very close to being done with football. I mean, they can make the right call that it was a fumble, but they can’t see that he didn’t gain possession until after he was contacted? That means NOT down by contact, let him get up and run with it. Calls like that, and the missed calls some teams seem to get in their favor, i’m getting close to calling it quits. Very close.
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    The fact you think it was the right call on the fumble highlights the problem more than anything else.

  70. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    January 24, 2018 at 9:26 am
    Dion Lewis tagged Jack after he rolled away, it was clear as day. Down by contact.

    Swallowing the whistle there would have been the wrong call. Fact. Not opinion. Period.

    Facts are facts cupcakes. You don’t have to like facts but that doesn’t make them any less factual.

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    What was ALSO clear as day on the replay is that Lewis, re-possessed the ball, and his left knee was down, before Jack stole it away.

    That’s not a fumble.

    Why do people not know such basic rules in this game?

  71. The refs job is to make the calls as they see them….not assume replay will be used to make the call later. Replay is only supposed to be used to correct errors. Plus the burden for replay is to have enough evidence to overturn a call. If a ref were to rely solely on replay there may not be proper footage due to camera angles or enough evidence to overturn a call so by letting something “play out” even when the ref sees things otherwise would only allow a call to stand that was not the right call in the ref’s judgement

  72. Plays blown dead on a bang bang play this year? My guess it’s well north of one.

    Suck it up. It wasn’t the first. It won’t be the last. None of it feeds into the Pats favoritism conspiracy theory. It’s been a problem all year and even beyond that.

    It’s time to put your big pants on.

  73. getyourownname says:
    January 24, 2018 at 9:37 am
    sexyrexy5000 says:
    January 24, 2018 at 8:16 am
    If that was a Jags running back and a Patriots defender I guarantee we’d be hearing how he never truly lost possession and the Patriots get all the calls

    **********************
    If that was a Jags running back and a Patriots defender, the ref probably would not have blown the whistle.

    —————————
    Whatever. The OP is still correct that you would be saying he never lost possession and the Oats get all the calls.

    What we have here is a buch of guys desperate to see the Pats lose and they are mad that they dont. So then they are desperate to come up with something they can say other than admitting to themselves and others that the Patriots won a ball game via talent, good execution, and good coaching, etc..

    Its also not limited to the Patriots. I cant remember the last time I saw a ball game between any two teams where the losers werent crying about the refs and everything else they can think of. The only reason the Patriots are in these conversations so much is because in them they are the winning team that much.

  74. James Parker says:
    January 24, 2018 at 9:30 am
    Whistle had to be blown just to make sure Jack didn’t score. The Pats had to win.

    ———

    Hater logic. If the “Pats had to win” why did they even give Jax the ball? Why did they not call Lewis down and allow the Pats to keep the ball?

    Do you see how silly you sound? Your hatred and envy of the Pats clouds your judgement

  75. reddzen says: “I don’t buy it. The refs often let the play go for a while on offsides penalties (when the whistle should be blown at the infraction) but somehow they blow early on this when it doesn’t go the Patriots (or the league’s) way.”
    ——————-

    Refs only blow the whistle on offsides if the defender touches an opponent or QB is in danger of being whacked (unabated to qb). Otherwise, it’s a free play. Same as offensive illegal motion – free play for defense so if they get a sack or turnover, it counts.

  76. you know what? it doesnt matter. its all speculation and all that really matters is we are going to the super bowl and jacksonville is not. that wont change no matter how much you cry about an iffy call. one iffy call vs losing your entire composure as a team in the 4th quarter? jax isnt ready for the spotlight is all this keeps proving. they had about ten other chances to make just one play to kill us and couldnt. how about you stop that third and freaking 9 run for 18 yards to end the game? why not at least try for a field goal at the end of the first half? why not cover amendola? its all whining, jax. man up. you lost. you deserved to lose.

  77. this is what makes football so much fun…. like have a great meal, only to regurgitate the whole thing just to chew it over and get to re-experience the whole tasty meal again, and again, and again.

    Mmmmhmmm, tasty.

    “No! it wasn’t!”
    “Yes!, it was!”
    ….
    3 weeks later…

    “like I said….”
    “ya, you were wrong then…”

    (I’ll check back next year when it will most assuredly come up again)

  78. “In a second, the ball is loose, maybe re-possessed, maybe recovered by the other team, and maybe the recovering player was touched as he fell. All in about a second.”

    no….it’s not a maybe that the recovering player was touched as he fell…he was still in the process of stripping the ball!

    clearly if the recovering player is touched while going down it is a factor, but there’s no ‘maybe’ about whether or not he was touched. making that claim is absurd.

  79. What’s so funny about all of this is that 90% of the people posting on here could truly care less about the officiating & that the Jags lost straight up, they really just want to hate on the Patriots & since their teams are out of the running, it’s the only way to vent their ONGOING frustration…..
    What’s even MORE FUNNY, is that they think they are making this unprecedented & iconic run of SuperBowl appearances any less enjoyable for us Patriot Fans….
    Yeah, GOOD LICK WITH THAT!!! LOL
    What an INCREDIBLE RIDE THIS HAS BEEN & CONTINUES TO BE!!!!
    LOVE IT!!!!
    GO PATS!!!!

  80. “Whistle had to be blown just to make sure Jack didn’t score. The Pats had to win.”

    Despite what the kids are saying, you’re not supposed to eat tide pods, James.

  81. Why is there such certainty with all these “jack fumble’ headlines that he takes it to the house? I mean, plenty of Patriots we’re still in play, and no one was fast approaching him because, wel you know, the whistle blew.

    IMO, they probably should’ve let the DPI call go before he half but this Fumble should’ve never been a fumble in the first place. He repossessed he ball against his leg/hip and was down by contact before Jack ripped it away.

    Other than those two calls, which could go either way, all other penalties were easy. One went for the Patriots, one went for the Jaguars. I don’t see the big issue

  82. It’s interesting to me that despite this call being done correctly, as per the rulebook, the league has not done one of it’s “instructional videos” to explain the referee was correct, as they have done in the past.
    Strange isn’t it?

  83. He has a point. We all get TV angles and instant replays. They get real time 20 mph football.
    However, some other non-calls are more blatant. Hold on Telvin on game sealing run. PI on Gilmore on 4th down pass to Westbrook, holding #91 (Yannick) all day long.
    The calls AGAINST the Jags were all pretty legit, save for the questionable PI on Bouye when Cooks ran a poor route out of bounds………. The calls that should have gone against the Pats is where the complaining comes in from most fans. 1 penalty on STs only? No one is that well coached and disciplined. I mean really, zero penalites on defense and offense? OOOOOOOK!
    Refs were piss poor, awful, perhaps biased.
    Jags didn’t do enough to win.
    These two things are not mutually exclusive.

  84. I thought they were supposed to let the play happen in those fumble recovery situations and now be so quick to blow the play dead. Including the Titans fumble…that’s twice now they have gotten whistle happy (if I’m not mistaken).

  85. I’d also be interested in seeing a full field replay again to see if in fact Jack had an easy clear path TD? I am guessing the Pats O stopped playing when they heard the whistle once when it was blown immediately…but not sure.

  86. Let’s be clear – if it would have been a Patriot player with the fumble recovery, he would still be running to the end zone without a whistle! Just the facts and you all know it!

  87. Why is it necessary to blow the whistle? It’s not we have technology that catches almost everything so just wait. The issue is giving up CONTROL OF the game to technology and avoid impacting of the game so you don’t have to be perfect if it’s all getting caught on video to replay so leave live action alone. The power of flags and whistles need to work in the era of technology no harm is done.

  88. terripet says:
    January 24, 2018 at 9:43 am
    The play should of continued then let the cheaters challenge the call if they thought he was touched

    ——

    What do you think…..will the Colts pay Andrew Luck to take another season off next year?

  89. Why do the Patriots ALWAYS seem to be on the good side of every controversial call” Gee I wonder why

  90. “Whistle had to be blown just to make sure Jack didn’t score. The Pats had to win.”

    Despite what the kids are saying, you’re not supposed to eat tide pods, James.

    ===========================================
    Typical case of deflection by a Pats fan. Truth hurts and the Pats Titles are seriously watered down

  91. Ignore this particularly game, Jags v. Pats. Who cares.

    The issue is that referees regularly blow plays dead before they are complete. And then you can’t challenge anything because the whistle was blown.

    Its a gray area of the game that is particularly vulnerable to being gamed or straight up bought / corrupted.

    And so . . . STOP BLOWING THE WHISTLE. Period. Don’t do it unless its 100% clear. These early whistles that so clearly benefit 1 team make people question the integrity of the game.

    Ravens v. Colts 2006 playoff game – I believe Chris McAlister intercepted Peyton Manning and was not down or anything, lateralled it to Ed Reed and the whistle was inexplicably blown. No reason. All the Ravens get is a “my bad”. Reed would have walked in for the TD. Ravens kicked a field goal instead. Game was won by 9 points, and really 3 of that was a garbage time kick.

    Did the Ravens lose that game BECAUSE of that call? NO. But was a phantom quick whistle a contributing factor, and did that whistle seem to obviously favor the league golden boy and 1 of a few golden teams? yes, it did.

    Refs aren’t held accountable for this crap. its a shame.

  92. “Let’s be clear – if it would have been a Patriot player with the fumble recovery, he would still be running to the end zone without a whistle! Just the facts and you all know it!”

    That’s actually not a fact. At all. Its speculation about a hypothetical play loaded with confirmation bias because of your jealousy and delusional view of the Pats. Glad I could help.

  93. so you want the refs to let the play go if there is any possibility of him not being down, but then you need indisputable evidence to overturn it- that doesn’t make sense

  94. If anyone got robbed on that play, it was Lewis, who stopped the ball from moving by clamping it up against his leg with his arm long before and continued as he was down by contact with the ground.

  95. Ky Li says: “1 penalty on STs only? No one is that well coached and disciplined. I mean really, zero penalites on defense and offense?”
    ————–

    Did a search on Pro-Football-Reference: there has been 44 games in the past 5 years where one team had only 1 penalty (and 22 of them LOST!!!).

    Most recent:
    – CLE-Jax (Nov 19, 2017) zero penalties to 6 Jax, yet LOST!
    – CAR-Phi (Oct 12, 2017) 1 penalty to 10 Phi, yet LOST!
    – NYG-Oak (Dec 3, 2017) 1 penalty to 6 Oak, yet LOST!
    – DET-Car (Oct 8, 2017) 1 penalty to 11 Car, yet LOST!

    – CAR-NE (Oct 1, 2017) 1 penalty to 7 NE, Car won.

  96. Ky Li says:
    January 24, 2018 at 10:19 am
    He has a point. We all get TV angles and instant replays. They get real time 20 mph football.
    However, some other non-calls are more blatant. Hold on Telvin on game sealing run. PI on Gilmore on 4th down pass to Westbrook, holding #91 (Yannick) all day long.
    The calls AGAINST the Jags were all pretty legit, save for the questionable PI on Bouye when Cooks ran a poor route out of bounds………. The calls that should have gone against the Pats is where the complaining comes in from most fans. 1 penalty on STs only? No one is that well coached and disciplined. I mean really, zero penalites on defense and offense? OOOOOOOK!
    Refs were piss poor, awful, perhaps biased.
    Jags didn’t do enough to win.
    These two things are not mutually exclusive.
    ===========================
    Right. And what you and many others refuse to point out are the obvious non-calls against the Jags the Pats never got as well. I guess the Jags OL only held once the entire game? The hold by MLee on Butler during the Grant pass? It’s fine if you want to decry bias on the refs but you need to do it after citing ALL of the non-calls before coming to that conclusion. Otherwise your just whining not to mention wasting time.

    The Jags didn’t do enough to win despite the refs that’s for certain. When you get a gift fumble and don’t score any points you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

  97. Cry me a river. These refs are paid well to officiate games that generate millions of dollars. The technology should be available to ensure that a referee’s call does not change the game. An inadvertent whistle is human error and should be reviewable. Any time human judgment is involved review should be available. Get it right! Too much money involved and too many people care!

  98. Actually, we expect them to communicate if they don’t know so they can get it right. And since since most replay calls surrounding catches and pass interference are subjective, the one thing that is clear is that having full-time officials doesn’t matter because the guy making the final call is not on the field.

    How many officials got conned into calling pass interference because the reciever grabbed the defensive backs wrist or jersey? Its the gift that keeps on giving.

  99. Let’s put it this way – if the call on the field had been “down by contact, Patriot’s ball”, the replay would NOT have reversed it since the ball was not loose or moving when Lewis hit the ground. It doesnt have to be in the palm of his hand to be under control/not moving around. He clamped the ball with is arm and leg and stopped it from moving.

    Anyone thinking this call is evidence of pro-Patriots bias is actually the one with bias. Referees made a call on a bang bang play. Boo hoo, get over it, you big baby.

  100. “Typical case of deflection by a Pats fan. Truth hurts and the Pats Titles are seriously watered down”

    Deflection? LOL

    No, that’s making fun of a delusional conspiracy theorist.

    Take a lap chief.

  101. For all the Patriot fans celebrating this terrible injustice to the Jags, remember, the Football Gods are watching and they are not amused. Payback, karma, call it what you will, is as close as the Superbowl.

  102. So mules jack is upset about the fumble, he’s lucky he was allowed to get away with his cheap shots. He tackled a player 5 yards in the end zone and then threw a punch, all right in front of a referee. He took cheap shots driving a players head an neck into the ground. Sure looked like an intention to injure a player. He’s a dirty player

  103. flaccotoboldin says:
    January 24, 2018 at 10:47 am

    Ignore this particularly game, Jags v. Pats. Who cares.

    The issue is that referees regularly blow plays dead before they are complete. And then you can’t challenge anything because the whistle was blown.

    Its a gray area of the game that is particularly vulnerable to being gamed or straight up bought / corrupted.

    And so . . . STOP BLOWING THE WHISTLE. Period. Don’t do it unless its 100% clear. These early whistles that so clearly benefit 1 team make people question the integrity of the game.

    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    The counter argument to this, and why some refs are quick w/ the whistle, what if player x gets injured on a play that should have been blown dead. What if Flacco got targeted and blown up chasing down a “fumble recovery” that was really an incomplete pass? Would you still be happy the refs didn’t blow the non-play dead from the start???

    I agree it is a gray area but its also a very fine line that depends on fallible human being making literally a split second decision.

  104. SB44, I assume you are a Saints fan. Odd that a fan of a team Goodell unfairly penalized would attack the Patriots ad nauseam.

  105. sb44champs says:
    January 24, 2018 at 10:43 am

    Why do the Patriots ALWAYS seem to be on the good side of every controversial call”
    ——————————

    Because you, and several other bozos, suffer from monomania.

    If the refs wanted to give the game to the Patriots, they would have ruled that Lewis maintained possession, which he actually did, and the ball would have stayed with the Patriots.

  106. terripet says:
    January 24, 2018 at 9:43 am
    The play should of continued then let the cheaters challenge the call if they thought he was touched

    There’s this new NFL rule they just added last week, all turnovers and scores are automatically reviewed. No need for the Champs to challenge what should have been down by contact with Lewis in possession.

  107. This is what social has wrought. No team can just win now, there must be a controversy. Who’s to say that Jacks would have run and scored? There were plenty of Pats players right there, who all stopped once the whistle was blown.

    The Jags didn’t lose bc of calls, they lost because they didn’t score enough points.

  108. whatjusthapped says:
    January 24, 2018 at 11:09 am
    For all the Patriot fans celebrating this terrible injustice to the Jags, remember, the Football Gods are watching and they are not amused. Payback, karma, call it what you will, is as close as the Superbowl.

    Football Gods? Karma? What do you figure the Browns did that was so bad?

  109. whatjusthapped says:
    January 24, 2018 at 11:09 am
    For all the Patriot fans celebrating this terrible injustice to the Jags, remember, the Football Gods are watching and they are not amused. Payback, karma, call it what you will, is as close as the Superbowl.
    ===========================
    Celebrating? Injustice? Win or lose at the SB neither of those will still be true.

  110. mmack66 says:
    January 24, 2018 at 11:19 am
    sb44champs says:
    January 24, 2018 at 10:43 am

    Why do the Patriots ALWAYS seem to be on the good side of every controversial call”
    ——————————

    Because you, and several other bozos, suffer from monomania.
    ================================
    This a thousand times over. Well said!!!

  111. Pereira has a point: Everything happened very quickly on that play, and it’s not surprising that the official who blew his whistle thought Jack was down.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I don’t think he really does. The official blew the whistle based on an assumption and not because he saw anything. He assumed the defender was down after he gained possession–he didn’t see it and then call it. Without 100% certainty on plays like that just let it go. If he was down then replay (required on that play) can place the ball where it should be. There is no way replay can fix the quick whistle and give back the 6-8 points that were essentially taken away.

    I am not looking for 100% accuracy because that is not a feasible standard but I don’t think it is too match to ask for officials to not use assumptions unless absolutely necessary–and that was not necessary here.

  112. idk i mean at what point did lewis lose possession of the ball? The ball was moving but not out when his rear hit the ground. I agree this has to be a very difficult call to make, even as an Eagles fan, Id say it wasn’t a fumble and Lewis was down prior to the ball coming completely out. (I can almost guarantee there will be a new rule regarding this in the off-season).

  113. Lemmy Aksyadis says:
    January 24, 2018 at 11:24 am

    Football Gods? Karma? What do you figure the Browns did that was so bad?
    ————————-

    They fired Bill Belichick. That’s like the Curse of the Bambino. Squared.

  114. The refs once called back a Patriots strip-sack of Flacco near his own goal line by claiming his “forward progess” was stopped. They’ve also ruled catches by Patriots WRs incomplete when the shadow from their foot fell on a white blade of grass on the sideline even though they were running free down the sideline. They also routinely call Gronk for offensive PI when he dares try to shed one of the three defenders that has him in a chokehold or arm bar before the pass is thrown. Yet do you ever hear Belichick make excuses? No.

  115. Jack wasn’t down, Lewis was down. If the Doug Baldwin “leg catch” stood, then Lewis was down by contact. If you can secure a ball to your leg or even your helmet for that matter, you most certainly can secure one to your hip.

  116. sb44champs says:
    January 24, 2018 at 10:43 am

    Why do the Patriots ALWAYS seem to be on the good side of every controversial call”

    ===================

    That makes no sense. Pats got short end of the stick on this call. Lewis clearly had the ball secured to his hip and was on the ground by contact.

  117. More than half the comments on this story are by people who never blew a whistle during a football game. The official is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t blow the whistle. If the whistle isn’t blown and an injury occurs, there will be those that say the play should have been blown dead.

  118. coltssteve says:
    January 24, 2018 at 11:05 am
    Cry me a river. These refs are paid well to officiate games that generate millions of dollars. The technology should be available to ensure that a referee’s call does not change the game. An inadvertent whistle is human error and should be reviewable. Any time human judgment is involved review should be available. Get it right! Too much money involved and too many people care!

    ————

    How exactly would that work. The ref blows a whistle and a bunch of players stop playing. Now let’s say they review the play and determine the whistle should not have blow. What do you suggest….putting all the players back onto the field in their exact positions and starting the play again at the point the whistle blew?

  119. People seem to forget that NFL officials are the ones that went searching through a scrum, then awarded a fumble recovery to one team, when a guy from the other team was standing there with the ball. And no, the Patriots weren’t the beneficiaries.

  120. FinFan68 says:
    January 24, 2018 at 11:49 am
    I don’t think he really does. The official blew the whistle based on an assumption and not because he saw anything. He assumed the defender was down after he gained possession–he didn’t see it and then call it. Without 100% certainty on plays like that just let it go. If he was down then replay (required on that play) can place the ball where it should be. There is no way replay can fix the quick whistle and give back the 6-8 points that were essentially taken away.

    I am not looking for 100% accuracy because that is not a feasible standard but I don’t think it is too match to ask for officials to not use assumptions unless absolutely necessary–and that was not necessary here.
    ========================
    Not picking on you specifically as many other have said this but …

    “The official blew the whistle based on an assumption and not because he saw anything.”

    May not accurate. We have the benefit of replay to come to that conclusion. Which is exactly the point being made here. There’s a very plausible argument to be made the ref blew the whistle with 100% certainty. The doubt could very well have been introduced after the replay.

  121. When the play happened in real-time I couldnt see anything really, so imagine a referee several yards away. You see the runner get tackled, the Jags player get up and start running with the ball. Its a PRETTY safe call to say the play ended. You see 2 players go to the ground together, so its safe to say they were touched, or had touched each other. From the replay, I honestly couldnt see enough to say fumble as he had the ball in his possession but its stripped out. I honestly dont care which way it went, but its safe to blow the play dead and review possession.

  122. I think I have this just about right …

    When non-Pats fans object to a call that goes against the Pats they are correct. When Pats fans object to a call that goes against the Pats they are wrong (based largely on the premise Pats never get a call against them despite all evidence to the contrary).

  123. Why do the Patriots ALWAYS seem to be on the good side of every controversial call”

    ===================
    That makes no sense. Pats got short end of the stick on this call. Lewis clearly had the ball secured to his hip and was on the ground by contact.
    =================================================
    That’s one measly call. What about the hundreds of others the Pats benefit from on a regular basis the last decade?

    #refslovethemsomebrady

  124. sb44champs says:

    January 24, 2018 at 1:02 pm

    Why do the Patriots ALWAYS seem to be on the good side of every controversial call”

    ===================
    That makes no sense. Pats got short end of the stick on this call. Lewis clearly had the ball secured to his hip and was on the ground by contact.
    =================================================
    That’s one measly call. What about the hundreds of others the Pats benefit from on a regular basis the last decade?

    #refslovethemsomebrady

    ==========================================

    Uh ok. bad calls go both ways, there is zero evidence that Pats are getting preferential treatment. Also in Jags game there were two PIs not called, one committed on Hogan, the other on Gronk on the roughing play with would have been more yards than just the one flag.

  125. How about let it play out, the team scored against will surely challenge if the player was down or not, and go from there!

  126. sb44champs says:
    January 24, 2018 at 10:43 am

    Why do the Patriots ALWAYS seem to be on the good side of every controversial call”

    ————————
    Thats an easy one.
    Controvsial calls = the calls people choose of their own accord to complain about.
    Its ALWAYS the losing team complaining about the calls that favor the winning team.
    The Patriots are ALWAYS the winning team.
    Therefore is ALWAYS the calls for the Patriots that people choose of their own accord to complain (aka make controversy) over.

  127. sb44champs says:
    January 24, 2018 at 1:02 pm

    What about the hundreds of others the Pats benefit from on a regular basis the last decade?
    ======================
    For that matter what about the hundreds of calls that hurt the Pats over the last decade?

  128. That’s one measly call. What about the hundreds of others the Pats benefit from on a regular basis the last decade?

    ______

    Can one of you conspiracy theory guys tell me why the league wants the Patriots to get all the calls? A solid reason please?

    Dont tell me Kraft is friends with Goddell. Because that would mean that Goddell is ignoring the 31 other owners he works for. I highly doubt thats the case.

    I’ll be interested to see the responses.

  129. If the refs called it a fumble without replay, why blow the whistle? Why not let it play out? It’s not that hard Pereira. Maybe a change of impartial refs is needed.

  130. There is a huge problem with the “let it play out” argument in that the replay has a bias towards letting the call on the field stand. See the first Eagles/Redskins game this season where an obvious incomplete pass was allowed to play out into a game clinching TD yet was allowed to stand by replay. “Let it play out” could work if the officials then make the call on the field what they think is correct (let Myles score, but then rule him down by contact after the fumble recovery. Replay can then overturn if it is obvious without a bias to being a TD by letting it stand).

  131. gauchosporlife says:
    January 24, 2018 at 1:36 pm
    If the refs called it a fumble without replay, why blow the whistle? Why not let it play out? It’s not that hard Pereira. Maybe a change of impartial refs is needed.
    ==========================
    Ummm … it was called a fumble and down by contact on the field (I.e. without replay). I think the answer to why letting it play out when the play was whistled dead seems pretty obvious.

  132. Apparently my eyes missed something because I could swear he was on the ground too and touched so his getting up was for nothing. Perrira is a POS. They umps dont even try to get it right they dont have to they have slo mo and guys in NY to make the calls correctly so why should they?
    Officiating has gotten horrible over the years due to replay. There is zero accountability.

  133. Lewis had the ball pinned against his thigh when his knee touched the ground. It should not have even been a fumble.

  134. sb44champs says:
    January 24, 2018 at 1:02 pm
    Why do the Patriots ALWAYS seem to be on the good side of every controversial call”

    ===================
    That makes no sense. Pats got short end of the stick on this call. Lewis clearly had the ball secured to his hip and was on the ground by contact.
    =================================================
    That’s one measly call. What about the hundreds of others the Pats benefit from on a regular basis the last decade?

    ———–

    You mean like when the refs called “FaceGuarding” against Ellis Hobbs as he covered Reggie Wayne in the end zone giving the Colts 1st and goal at the 1 in the 2006 AFCCG? This despite the fact that there is no “FaceGuarding” infraction in the NFL rule book?

  135. BTW the pictures of Bortles and the officials shaking hands after Sunday’s game are now all over the internet. So, that narrative has been derailed.

  136. “I guess the officials stopped the Jags defense on that 3rd and 18 play the Pats converted..”

    ———————————-

    This is poor thinking. Everyone knew the NFL needed the Pats in the bowl. $$$. This gave the Pats Carte Blanche to hold at every turn – like on plays such as these — and throw disengenuous deep throws downfield to elicit PI calls. They know how to play the game. The refs soft spots come out especially when they are down..

    Speaking of “victim” and “trophy” generation. It is real sad to see that even the team with the most trophies and the one that possesses favored-son status has to play the victim and “The NFL hates us” song when everything besides deflategate points to just the opposite.

    Does being a victim really feel that warm and fuzzy? Are we addicted to it that much?

  137. First they complain about depending too much on replay.
    “I don’t care if the ball was moving a little, the call on the field was touchdown! It looked like a touchdown, let the call on the field stand! Replay is ruining the game! … Ack!

    Then they complain about not depending enough on replay.
    “I don’t care about the call on the field! Let the play continue until no one is moving and let replay sort it all out! We can wait! … Ack!

    It all depends on whether the call went the way they wanted, or not.

  138. Why blowing the whistle early to end the play if there was no safety concerns to any players. It is true that it is very difficult to see it in real time but that is an even better reason not to blow the whistle and just let it play out.

  139. unomasmore says:
    January 24, 2018 at 4:18 pm

    Speaking of “victim” and “trophy” generation. It is real sad to see that even the team with the most trophies and the one that possesses favored-son status has to play the victim and “The NFL hates us” song when everything besides deflategate points to just the opposite.

    Does being a victim really feel that warm and fuzzy? Are we addicted to it that much?
    ====================
    If we dismiss the two harshest penalties in the history of the NFL for infractions that were common place throughout that same time span (one of which was a complete fabrication) the Pats aren’t victims at all. Nope. No evidence at all to suggest the NFL is biased against the Pats. LOL

  140. For that matter what about the hundreds of calls that hurt the Pats over the last decade?
    ========================================
    Haha, just bc you get thumbs up doesn’t make it true. It just means that Pats fans outnumber the rest of us.

    #patswatereddowntitles

  141. there is zero evidence that Pats are getting preferential treatment
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    Hahaha, that’s a good one!

  142. Its ALWAYS the losing team complaining about the calls that favor the winning team.
    The Patriots are ALWAYS the winning team.
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    That still doesn’t explain why the refs constantly give the Pats favorable calls.

  143. sb44champs says:

    January 25, 2018 at 11:33 am

    there is zero evidence that Pats are getting preferential treatment
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    Hahaha, that’s a good one!

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    Well the hidden PSI logs speak volumes. And Lewis was down by contact, see Doug Baldwin leg catch.

  144. sb44champs says:
    January 25, 2018 at 11:31 am
    Haha, just bc you get thumbs up doesn’t make it true. It just means that Pats fans outnumber the rest of us.

    #patswatereddowntitles
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    It doesn’t make it false either.

    #ConvenientExcuse

  145. sb44champs says:
    January 25, 2018 at 11:39 am

    That still doesn’t explain why the refs constantly give the Pats favorable calls.
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    Maybe it’s to offset all the unfavorable calls they get? Oh that’s right. The Pats are the only team in the NFL where that never happens. Ever.

  146. This is there way of acknowledging they cheated it was a bullsht trick play and a clear fumble and recovery if he was down by contact thats reverserable
    In replay its not hard this is a huge excuse, do your job the right way like we are all
    Expected to

  147. thesampson777 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 12:58 pm
    This is there way of acknowledging they cheated it was a bullsht trick play and a clear fumble and recovery if he was down by contact thats reverserable
    In replay its not hard this is a huge excuse, do your job the right way like we are all
    Expected to
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    And then Pats fans would be here (justifiably whining) about the fumble that never was.

  148. Maybe it’s to offset all the unfavorable calls they get? Oh that’s right. The Pats are the only team in the NFL where that never happens. Ever.
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    Still doesn’t explain why the refs constantly give the Pats favorable calls EVERY SINGLE GAME

  149. sb44champs says:
    January 25, 2018 at 2:42 pm

    Still doesn’t explain why the refs constantly give the Pats favorable calls EVERY SINGLE GAME
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    Of course it does. Not a single controversial call has gone against the Pats. Ever.

    We know that isn’t the case so all of this boils down to keeping score over controversial calls that go for\against the Pats.

    #DefinitionOfWhining

  150. We know that isn’t the case so all of this boils down to keeping score over controversial calls that go for\against the Pats.
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    Yeah and those calls tend to be highly ‘for’ and very little ‘against’ the Pats.

    #refslovethemsomebrady

  151. sb44champs says:
    January 25, 2018 at 4:14 pm

    Yeah and those calls tend to be highly ‘for’ and very little ‘against’ the Pats.

    #refslovethemsomebrady
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    Ahhh ok. So basically the bias isn’t all the time only some of the time. That seems a bit subjective on the surface. Not to mention convenient.

    #refslovethemsomebradywhenitsconvenient

  152. We know that isn’t the case so all of this boils down to keeping score over controversial calls that go for\against the Pats.
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    Yeah and those calls tend to be highly ‘for’ and very little ‘against’ the Pats.

    #refslovethemsomebrady

  153. I think we can all agree that call was nowhere near as bad as Triplette blowing the play dead (forward progress stopped???) when Mariota got creamed in the Titans-Chiefs game. The NFL is a better place now that he has retired.

  154. sb44champs says:

    January 26, 2018 at 8:27 am

    We know that isn’t the case so all of this boils down to keeping score over controversial calls that go for\against the Pats.
    =======================================================
    Yeah and those calls tend to be highly ‘for’ and very little ‘against’ the Pats.

    #refslovethemsomebrady

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    Too bad Lewis was down by contact (see Doug Baldwin leg catch). If you can pin it to your leg, you most certainly can pin it to your hip. HUGE break for Jags on that one.

  155. sb44champs says:
    January 25, 2018 at 4:14 pm

    Yeah and those calls tend to be highly ‘for’ and very little ‘against’ the Pats.

    #refslovethemsomebrady
    ======================================================
    Ahhh ok. So basically the bias isn’t all the time only some of the time. That seems a bit subjective on the surface. Not to mention convenient.

    #refslovethemsomebradywhenitsconvenient

  156. The headline should read…

    Mike Pereira: Myles Jack play shows we still do not have the correct personnel employed by the NFL to make the correct calls on the field.

    I do not think we need to lower our standard/ expectations because refs blew another important call.

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