Tom Brady will pass Jerry Rice as oldest non-kicker in a Super Bowl

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When Raiders wide receiver Jerry Rice took the field for the Raiders in the Super Bowl 15 years ago, he was, at age 40, the oldest non-kicker to play in the game. At Super Bowl LII, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady will break that record.

Brady will be 40 years, 185 days old on Super Bowl Sunday. Rice was 40 years, 105 days when he played for the Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII, and no one other than kickers and punters has played at an older age, before or since.

Four kickers and punters have played in the Super Bowl when they were older than Brady is now: Matt Stover was 42 when he kicked for the Colts in Super Bowl XLIV, Jeff Feagles was 41 when he punted for the Giants in Super Bowl XLII, Matt Bryant was 41 when he kicked for the Falcons at Super Bowl LI and Mike Horan was two days shy of his 41st birthday when he punted for the Rams in Super Bowl XXXIV.

Brady thinks he can keep playing at a high level into his mid-40s, so he may some day be able to remove the “non-kicker” exception from this record.

140 responses to “Tom Brady will pass Jerry Rice as oldest non-kicker in a Super Bowl

  1. If he has a target he is hoping to reach I would suspect irs ring 7. Thats the one where he puts the Patriots in sole first place as the team with the most. But thats only a guess.

    Its a wry irony that the league and all the haters piling on him over deflatebullgate may have repositioned the chip on his shoulder and made him want to push for more. That with their attempts to try and boo him down all they did was prolong their own misery.

    No need to try proving these guesses wrong or right. They are nothing more than the idle thoughts of a single person.

  2. birdwatcher100 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 9:50 am
    Brady has cemented himself as the greatest of all time by virtually every measure. I just don’t understand the need to cheat.

    —-
    I agree. That’s why he never did any such thing.

    🙂

  3. Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true.

    Too many coincidences that can’t be explained. Defenders keep arguing science proves his innocence but none of these so called scientists tested any of the footballs used in the game. Brady was caught red handed and there was no conspiracy. The defenders continue to look foolish deflecting the truth and by not knowing th facts.

  4. When Rice went to Seattle for a coffee and donut and took Largent’s #80 out of retirement so he could wear it for a few weeks I was blown away. Most disrespectful thing I’ve seen in football and I hate the Seahawks.

  5. birdwatcher100 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 9:50 am
    Brady has cemented himself as the greatest of all time by virtually every measure. I just don’t understand the need to cheat.
    ———————-
    Just because you’re in the top percent doesn’t mean you aren’t cheating. Top students cheat all the time because they want to be #1 ALL THE TIME. They will do anything to remain on top. Just like Brady, he’s a sociopath who throws a football. Just like Lance Armstrong.

  6. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:16 am
    Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true.

    Too many coincidences that can’t be explained. Defenders keep arguing science proves his innocence but none of these so called scientists tested any of the footballs used in the game. Brady was caught red handed and there was no conspiracy. The defenders continue to look foolish deflecting the truth and by not knowing th facts.

    —-
    Poor poor Patriot Hater 🙂

    So deluded. So in denial.

    So freaking hilarious!

    🙂

  7. birdwatcher100 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 9:50 am
    Brady has cemented himself as the greatest of all time by virtually every measure. I just don’t understand the need to cheat.
    ————————————————

    You didn’t follow the KEY MOMENT from the Brady/Deflategate case:
    Judge Berman: “What evidence…on January 18?”
    NFL lawyer Nash: “No, not for that specific game.”
    Judge Berman: “The Wells report relates to only one game. There is no finding in this case that there was anything done by Mr. Brady.”
    So NFL appeals and wins, not on Brady’s guilt, but on the Commissioner’s CBA rights to suspend as he sees fit. And then the NFL claimed this different victory proved they were right to suspend Brady. All because Brady merely offered his phone logs instead of handing over his phone – which by the way is exactly what Zeke Elliot and others did and is still more than the NFL has a right to, and is far more than they asked of Peyton, Harrison, Matthews, Peppers or Neal in HGHgate.

  8. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    January 25, 2018 at 9:48 am
    And the oldest player to be suspended for cheating.

    ——————

    He won’t catch Rice’s record of being the oldest player to admit to cheating though.

  9. MacGuffin says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:04 am
    Rice=GOAT WR
    Brady=8th best QB

    1 Montana
    2 Peyton
    3 Marino
    4 Elway
    5 Favre
    6 Brees
    7 Rodgers
    8 Brady
    —-
    1. Brady
    2. Who cares?

    🙂

  10. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:16 am
    Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true.

    Too many coincidences that can’t be explained. Defenders keep arguing science proves his innocence but none of these so called scientists tested any of the footballs used in the game. Brady was caught red handed and there was no conspiracy. The defenders continue to look foolish deflecting the truth and by not knowing th facts.

    ———-
    So how do you explain all but 1 of the Colts’ footballs also being under-inflated?

  11. birdwatcher100 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 9:50 am

    Brady has cemented himself as the greatest of all time by virtually every measure. I just don’t understand the need to cheat.

    Maybe it’s because you can’t let go of the fact that he didn’t?

  12. nutpunchnancy says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:38 am
    Brady will need about 3 more years to beat Peyton’s records. Why do you think he is still playing?
    —-
    Nah more like 2, at least for the TD and yardage records.

    Bree’s is right there too.

  13. MacGuffin…you lost any credibility when you listed Manning second on your list…. Manning might not even be the second best quarterback of this era, never mind all time….

  14. MacGuffin says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:04 am
    Rice=GOAT WR
    Brady=8th best QB

    1 Montana
    2 Peyton
    3 Marino
    4 Elway
    5 Favre
    6 Brees
    7 Rodgers
    8 Brady

    _____

    This list is trash.

  15. Brady was caught red handed and there was no conspiracy.

    ___

    But there is a conspiracy with the league, the refs, and the Pats, right? Right? At least thats what you keep saying……

  16. Just one problem Jerry Rice is the greatest football player of all time ,,what you where allowed to do to receivers in his era you would be kicked out of the league today !

  17. JokerSC says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:54 am
    Brady was caught red handed and there was no conspiracy.

    ___

    But there is a conspiracy with the league, the refs, and the Pats, right? Right? At least thats what you keep saying……
    —-
    No kidding. And to think Patriot Hater is triggered when we laugh at them. 🙂

    Maybe because their logic is just laughable!

  18. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:31 am
    Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:16 am
    Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true.

    Too many coincidences that can’t be explained.

    You need to understand the difference between legitimate coincidence and an insane drive by some to twist every word and situation into a charge of cheating. It’s an incurable disease.

  19. MacGuffin says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:04 am
    Rice=GOAT WR
    Brady=8th best QB

    1 Montana
    2 Peyton
    3 Marino
    4 Elway
    5 Favre
    6 Brees
    7 Rodgers
    8 Brady

    ——————

    Ha! That’s a jealous hater’s list if I ever saw one. I can almost understand clinging to Montana as the last possible argument that Brady somehow isn’t the GOAT, but none of the other six you list could hold his jock.

    Peyton? Please – he had to be carried for each of his 2 rings. He played so poorly in the playoffs for the first one that his running game had to carry him. By the second one he was merely a shell of his former self, riding to victory on the back of an epic defense.

    Marino? Sure he was a great regular season QB (like Peyton) but couldn’t get it done in the playoffs. This probably had as much to do with the mediocre talent around him, but still – no rings is no rings

    Elway? Choke artist redeemed by 2 rings earned during his late-career stint as a game manager for the Broncos monstrous running attack. Best known for an 8 yard TD run.

    Favre? Most exciting QB on the list to watch – mostly because of his toughness and for his propensity for throwing picks at the most inopportune times.

    Brees? Plees. Think of how good he might of been had he not valued being the top-paid QB in his contract years over winning titles.

    Rodgers. Like Marino – a great QB stuck on a mediocre team. In a better situation, he would be higher on this list, but again – he lacks the hardware to be in the discussion.

  20. Lemmy Aksyadis says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:57 am
    LyinRogerMustGo says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:31 am
    Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:16 am
    Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true.

    Too many coincidences that can’t be explained.

    You need to understand the difference between legitimate coincidence and an insane drive by some to twist every word and situation into a charge of cheating. It’s an incurable disease.
    —-
    Some… including the buffoon in charge of this league publicly labelling Brady a cheater based on a complete fabrication.

    Yeah the league really loves the Patriots. Or so the simpletons claim.

  21. You didn’t follow the KEY MOMENT from the Brady/Deflategate case:
    Judge Berman: “What evidence…on January 18?”
    NFL lawyer Nash: “No, not for that specific game.”
    Judge Berman: “The Wells report relates to only one game. There is no finding in this case that there was anything done by Mr. Brady.”
    So NFL appeals and wins, not on Brady’s guilt, but on the Commissioner’s CBA rights to suspend as he sees fit. And then the NFL claimed this different victory proved they were right to suspend Brady. All because Brady merely offered his phone logs instead of handing over his phone – which by the way is exactly what Zeke Elliot and others did and is still more than the NFL has a right to, and is far more than they asked of Peyton, Harrison, Matthews, Peppers or Neal in HGHgate.

    “””””

    You people keep proving my point with your lies and inaccuracies.

    The key moment was when they suspended Brady after he LOST on appeal

    They had no direct evidence but they had plenty of circumstantial evidence.

    The logs were a worthless effort that would have led to a wild goose chase. If Brady was unwilling to have the search performed by his attorney on his phone why would the people Brady texted cooperate. If Brady was sincere about providing the logs as evidence why didn’t his people track down all the 10,000 texts on the log and provide them to Wells.

    Elliott didn’t cooperate and he was suspended too. You have know idea of the scope of the Peyton HGH investigation. And it was started because of a rogue newspaper guy that ended up recanting.

    They tested 4 Colts balls and 3/8 measurements were slightly under 12.5 while 5/8 were above. But more importantly the deflator had control of the Colts balls prior to the game.

    And I never said there was a conspiracy by the refs against the Pats.

    So guilty people keep deflecting the truth, making up lies and distorting the truth. So no I’m not mad 😡. You should be mad that one of the greatest dynasties ever is tainted because your coach and QB cheated and were penalized.

    Question: if B.B. was taping signals to use later and not in real time what was the benefit of taping the signals? You can review the tape later to determine the defense, time and distance.

    And please don’t insult us with nonsense.

  22. Brady will need about 3 more years to beat Peyton’s records. Why do you think he is still playing?
    __

    Brady is about 3,300 passing yards and 23 TD’s behind Manning including post season. Next season he will likely become the Only QB with 80,000+ passing yards and 600+ TD’s. He already has everything else

  23. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:16 am
    Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true.

    Too many coincidences that can’t be explained. Defenders keep arguing science proves his innocence but none of these so called scientists tested any of the footballs used in the game. Brady was caught red handed and there was no conspiracy. The defenders continue to look foolish deflecting the truth and by not knowing th facts.

    =================================

    We can argue about deflategate all day and I am pretty certain neither of us will change our minds.
    However, Brady was not “caught red handed”.
    There was no direct evidence of Brady asking for balls to be deflated.
    No texts, emails, or statements from anyone interviewed during the investigation.

    The evidence presented was as follows:
    1. McNallys 90 second bathroom break.
    2. Patriots’ footballs having PSIs below the expected value (by an average of 0.3 PSI).
    3. Assorted texts between JJ and McNally, mostly taken out of context.

    Not a single piece of evidence directly tying Brady to anything. It was all circumstantial- which is the complete opposite of “red handed”.

  24. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 25, 2018 at 11:23 am
    I hope the Patriots lose so fin bad
    —-
    Well I hope they win so fin bad!

    🙂

  25. Even as a Eagles fan, everyone knows Tom is 1a/1b with Joe Montana. Different QBs different eras, they will be talking about Tom for a very very long time.

  26. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 25, 2018 at 11:23 am
    I hope the Patriots lose so fin bad

    —————-

    How has that been working out for you? Dang….it’s been a rough 17 years…

  27. nutpunchnancy says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:38 am

    Brady will need about 3 more years to beat Peyton’s records. Why do you think he is still playing?
    ——————–

    Because he can still play at a high level, and to win Super Bowls.

  28. @streetyson, you remember where the principle of a player not handing over their phone started? It was with Brett Favre and an ‘investigation’ that was about the sexual harassment of a team employee that involved sexting, meaning the phone literally WAS the evidence. Brett’s punishment you ask? It was a $50k fine for a ‘failure to cooperate’ and…yeah…that was it. In another note, this post was deleted yet absolute nonsense has been allowed to stand. Saint Brett is still being protected by the football media and adored by the fanboys who defame Brady.

  29. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:16 am
    Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true.

    Too many coincidences that can’t be explained.

    You need to understand the difference between legitimate coincidence and an insane drive by some to twist every word and situation into a charge of cheating. It’s an incurable disease.

    “””

    The circumstantial evidence is conclusive. An incurable disease is lying and cheating.

  30. Brady has as many playoff wins as Peyton Manning and Big Ben COMBINED. THis is like Babe Ruth breaking his own home run record 500 times.

  31. Lemmy Aksyadis says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:57 am
    LyinRogerMustGo says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:31 am
    Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:16 am
    Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true.

    Too many coincidences that can’t be explained.

    You need to understand the difference between legitimate coincidence and an insane drive by some to twist every word and situation into a charge of cheating. It’s an incurable disease.

    ———————-
    They know its not true. Anyone that puts in effort and diligence to watch for and comment on every article trying to sell some point could not possibly believe in that point. They are afraid that it cannot stand up unless they leave no stone unturned trying to prop it up.

  32. Tom Brady will surpass everyone as the top quarterback to win the most asterisk tagged Superbowls.

  33. “Brady will need about 3 more years to beat Peyton’s records.”

    Sorry Brady is never going to beat the 9 one and dones in the playoffs that Manning had. Manning will likely hold the title of biggest choke artist of all time for quite awhile to come.

  34. Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true.

    Too many coincidences that can’t be explained. Defenders keep arguing science proves his innocence but none of these so called scientists tested any of the footballs used in the game. Brady was caught red handed and there was no conspiracy. The defenders continue to look foolish deflecting the truth and by not knowing th facts.

    —————————————————————————————–

    Right Right, that’s why the NFL released the measurements the following year to further drive the point ho…. oh wait

  35. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    January 25, 2018 at 11:21 am
    GOAT SYSTEM QB. If you disagree then who’s better?

    ——————————
    I dont disagree, he has excelled in all of the many systems he has worked in. As long as Belichick remains his coach he will have to continue to excel in each new one because Belichick never stops adapting to the situations.

  36. Brady was suspended for the following made up reason:

    It was more probable than not that he was generally aware of a long standing scheme to deflate footballs.

    It didn’t matter that the NFL had never previously measured the PSI in footballs being used in a game, so they had absolutely zero frame of reference to determine whether any of the footballs used in that game were out of the ordinary or not.

  37. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:16 am

    Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true.

    Too many coincidences that can’t be explained. Defenders keep arguing science proves his innocence but none of these so called scientists tested any of the footballs used in the game. Brady was caught red handed and there was no conspiracy. The defenders continue to look foolish deflecting the truth and by not knowing th facts.
    ________________________________________

    Really. So explain to me why the league didn’t investigate the Steelers when they played the Giants and the Giants discovered they were using underinflated balls. The footballs measured the same as what was measure by the colts for the Pats intercepted ball that started the whole deflategate sham.

  38. haansel82 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 11:39 am

    Even as a Eagles fan, everyone knows Tom is 1a/1b with Joe Montana. Different QBs different eras, they will be talking about Tom for a very very long time.
    ———————————————————————–
    Sorry, the 1a/1b argument ended in 2014. Brady is all alone at the top and is just lapping the field at this point.

  39. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true. Too many coincidences that can’t be explained. Defenders keep arguing science proves his innocence but none of these so called scientists tested any of the footballs used in the game. Brady was caught red handed and there was no conspiracy.

    I’m one of those “so-called scientists”, with 4 degrees hanging on the wall, a tenured chemistry professor in a top 10 department, and with tons of common sense to boot.

    I’ll keep it simple for you: There were NO ball inflation measurements whatsoever that support the notion that anyone took any air out of any football that day, after they were inspected. The footballs cooled to 48 degrees and the laws of the universe did the rest.

    Indeed you are right in that there was no conspiracy. There doesn’t need to be, when rampant stupidity prevails in the NFL office. The NFL had no clue that cooling a football lowers its internal pressure, so they really thought that they were on to something. By the time that they realized their mistake, they had gone so far that they decided to just save face and double down on stupid.

    The case at that point became a egal precedent, and Goodell wanted his ability to do whatever it is that he wanted to do, for any reason or NO REASON, to be affirmed. That eventually happened.

    I wish TB had pushed it to the Supreme Court, but the case was only becoming more and more a distraction not just for him but for his family, including his mother who was under treatment for cancer.

    I don’t blame him for giving up the fight, even with all the facts on his side.

    I’ll do my part to educate people like you. Stop by my Tuesday/Thursday office hours if you like.

  40. The division he plays in has added 10 years to his playing career jeez Joe Theisman could start with his broken leg against the Jet,Dolphins ,Bills lol

  41. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 25, 2018 at 12:10 pm
    My GIANTS OWN HIM
    —-
    0-1 in the last 6 seasons. That’s a lot of things but owning is not one of them.

  42. MacGuffin says:

    January 25, 2018 at 10:04 am

    Rice=GOAT WR
    Brady=8th best QB

    1 Montana
    2 Peyton
    3 Marino
    4 Elway
    5 Favre
    6 Brees
    7 Rodgers
    8 Brady

    ===================================

    Forgetting the boring Brady trolling here, Unitas not in the top 8 is hilarious.

  43. “It didn’t matter that the NFL had never previously measured the PSI in footballs being used in a game, so they had absolutely zero frame of reference to determine whether any of the footballs used in that game were out of the ordinary or not”

    It worse than that.

    After he retired former NFL pro bowl QB Jeff Blake, who played for the Jets, Bengals, Saints, Ravens, Cardinals, Eagles and Bears admitted during a radio interview on Nashville 104.5 The Zone that he ordered ball boys to let the air out of his footballs just before the game throughout his NFL career. He played from 1992 to 2005.

    “Cause when you take the balls out of the bag, they are rock hard. And you can’t feel the ball as well. It’s too hard. Everybody puts the pin in and takes just enough air out of the ball that you can feel it a little better. But it’s not the point to where it’s flat. So I don’t know what the big deal is. It’s not something that’s not been done for 20 years.”

    The NFL never investigated any of these teams. They never fined any of these teams. They never took away draft picks or penalized them in any was.

    Yet somehow even though Goodell has 56 documented lies he told during the deflategate process, and the league made it clear in court they had no evidence, that this became a national emergency to the NFL with Brady.

  44. MacGuffin says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:04 am
    Rice=GOAT WR
    Brady=8th best QB

    1 Montana
    2 Peyton
    3 Marino
    4 Elway
    5 Favre
    6 Brees
    7 Rodgers
    8 Brady
    —————–
    I was having such a bad day. Thanks for the laugh. I needed it. Seek help. You need it.

  45. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:

    January 25, 2018 at 12:13 pm

    The division he plays in has added 10 years to his playing career jeez Joe Theisman could start with his broken leg against the Jet,Dolphins ,Bills lol

    ===================

    Brady era Pats have played a 1st place schedule almost every year and Brady’s winning pct. in and out of the AFCE is pretty much the same. (.792 vs AFCE, .775 vs rest of NFL)

  46. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 25, 2018 at 12:13 pm
    The division he plays in has added 10 years to his playing career jeez Joe Theisman could start with his broken leg against the Jet,Dolphins ,Bills lol

    ———-

    And yet his winning percentage against other divisions is actually higher…for example the AFC North. just imaging if he got to play against that cupcake division his entire career

  47. Can anyone cite Brady’s stats pre and post deflategate?

    What about Belichick’s record pre and post spy gate?

    If they were cheating, it sure hasn’t seemed to impact their performance even one iota.

    I guess that’s why the haters have now had to invent a new explanation: it must be the refs!

    I’m waiting for the next excuse we’ll here after this one –

  48. harrisonhits2 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 11:58 am
    “Brady will need about 3 more years to beat Peyton’s records.”

    Sorry Brady is never going to beat the 9 one and dones in the playoffs that Manning had. Manning will likely hold the title of biggest choke artist of all time for quite awhile to come.

    ——-

    Manning did his fair amount of choking during his time but nothing could approach Brady’s 18-1 season choke job. As a Pats fan it still hurts to this day.

  49. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:16 am

    Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true.

    Too many coincidences that can’t be explained. Defenders keep arguing science proves his innocence but none of these so called scientists tested any of the footballs used in the game. Brady was caught red handed and there was no conspiracy. The defenders continue to look foolish deflecting the truth and by not knowing the facts.

    ==================================

    How can Brady have been caught “red handed” when, as you claim, there were no scientific measurements taken? Why have other team who have been caught tampering with footballs or have had low PSI not been punished? Why, after promising fans “transparency”, has Goodell opted not to release the PSI logs?

  50. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:

    Manning did his fair amount of choking during his time but nothing could approach Brady’s 18-1 season choke job. As a Pats fan it still hurts to this day.

    ============

    Too bad Brady gave his team a 4th qtr lead in BOTH Giants Super Bowls and the defense didn’t hold up. Granted there were a couple of magical plays that beat them, but it wasn’t on Brady.

  51. walker1191 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 12:26 pm

    Can anyone cite Brady’s stats pre and post deflategate?
    ——————–

    One bozo tried to correlate fumble statistics, but it was thoroughly debunked.

  52. Look at the list of avg receivers Brady just won with against a good Jags D (No Gronk, no Edleman) and then continue to tell me how he isn’t the GOAT…

    You just look foolish !

  53. Matt Stover was 42 when he kicked for the Colts in Super Bowl XLIV, Jeff Feagles was 41 when he punted for the Giants in Super Bowl XLII, Matt Bryant was 41 when he kicked for the Falcons at Super Bowl LI and Mike Horan was two days shy of his 41st birthday when he punted for the Rams in Super Bowl XXXIV.

    8888888888888888888888

    Boy, that’s alotta Roman Numerals for the millennials to figure out.
    I’d say at least 7 of 10 readers here have no idea what SB’s you’re talking about

    44, 42 51 and 34

  54. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 25, 2018 at 12:10 pm
    My GIANTS OWN HIM

    Well while YOUR Giants are “owning him”
    He’s won more SB since 2011 that YOUR giants have won playoff games.

    Let that sink in….

  55. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 25, 2018 at 12:10 pm

    My GIANTS OWN HIM
    ———————————————————————–
    Can you own a team when they’ve been to 3 of the last 4 SBs and you can’t even make the playoffs?

  56. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    January 25, 2018 at 12:26 pm
    harrisonhits2 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 11:58 am
    “Brady will need about 3 more years to beat Peyton’s records.”

    Sorry Brady is never going to beat the 9 one and dones in the playoffs that Manning had. Manning will likely hold the title of biggest choke artist of all time for quite awhile to come.

    ——-

    Manning did his fair amount of choking during his time but nothing could approach Brady’s 18-1 season choke job. As a Pats fan it still hurts to this day.

    ——————-
    Thats why Brady is the unquestioned goat that people consider 18-1 to have been a bad year. No one else in history has been able to set the bar that high, not even close.

  57. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:16 am

    Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true.

    Anyone with a lot of common sense and a tiny bit of science knowledge knows it’s not.

  58. I love the fans that want to rate Marino, a guy who couldn’t even sniff a SB, higher up the food chain than Brady.

  59. If Brady’s career was extended 10 years by playing in the AFCE where he has a .796 winning % just imagine how long he could keep playing if his team was in one of the other divisions he owns in the north or east like the NFCE (.813), AFCN (.833) or NFCN (.875). Sweet dreams cupcakes, sweet dreams.

  60. No matter what happens, Brady will be known as the greatest living human being in the history of the universe to his sad, deluded NE fan base. However, the rest of the world will forever view his success with great skepticism and suspicion which the endless rantings of the NE fan base only seem to magnify with every one of their wildly preposterous denials.

  61. Curious… if Brady cheated by deflating footballs what competitive advantage did he gain? He has been to every Super Bowl since his suspension and he is on the verge of another MVP season at 40 years old?

  62. ajsjr40 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:03 pm
    Curious… if Brady cheated by deflating footballs what competitive advantage did he gain? He has been to every Super Bowl since his suspension and he is on the verge of another MVP season at 40 years old?
    ————–
    It’s already a proven FACT that the balls were never deflated.

  63. Kids, let’s stop deflecting the truth and making up lies.

    Truth professor – I would love to discuss this with you privately.

    Farve was an off field issue and he was fined

    Brady – if you have evidence on your phone that doesn’t incriminate you it’s simple. You cooperate. You don’t hide behind precedent. Plus Brady provided 2 other phones. So why didn’t he provide what Wells asked for on the phone he was using at the time? Answer the question w/o making excuses. Also Brady is paid below market value so why isn’t he worried about setting a precedence with his salary. Seems hypocritical.

    Football is a team game and Brady has not only clearly been on the best team, he has the best coach so he has more opportunities to win SB’s.

    Ben scored 42 points on Jax and Brady only 24.

    If the Pats defense doesn’t shutout Seattle, Falcons and Jax in the 2nd half Brady doesn’t win the last 2 SB’s and he loses against Jax.

    Peyton also played a 1st Place schedule and his defense and special teams failed him more often than not in the playoffs.

    Peyton has better playoff passing stats than Brady.

    Brady scored only 14 and 17 points against the Giants and Pats fans blame it on the defense.

    Peyton had his worst year and won a SB.
    Brady had his best year 2007 and lost a SB.

    Belichick is heads and shoulders better than any other coach and may be the greatest coach of all time. Take Belichick off the Pats and they aren’t as good. Take Brady off the Pats and replace him with Peyton, Rodgers and Brees and they are still dominant.

    Pats went 3-1 without Brady with 2 of the games with a rookie 3rd string QB.

  64. Thats why Brady is the unquestioned goat that people consider 18-1 to have been a bad year. No one else in history has been able to set the bar that high, not even close.

    “””

    The Colts were 14-0 and leading at half in the 15th game when they pulled their starters. They could have matched the 18-1 and if they had better coaching and special teams could have been 19-0. So if Belichick was coach of the Colts they would have gone 19-0.

  65. ajsjr40 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:03 pm
    Curious… if Brady cheated by deflating footballs what competitive advantage did he gain? He has been to every Super Bowl since his suspension and he is on the verge of another MVP season at 40 years old?
    ————–
    It’s already a proven FACT that the balls were never deflated.

    “””

    It doesn’t matter he cheated and assuming by going to SB’s vindicate him is nonsense. Peyton hasn’t played since his suspension and Peyton’s team has beat Brady 3/4 AFCCG.

    There is no FACT he didn’t cheat. A scientist that never tested the balls used in the game making a claim is a farce.

  66. No matter what happens, Brady will be known as the greatest living human being in the history of the universe to his sad, deluded NE fan base. However, the rest of the world will forever view his success with great skepticism and suspicion which the endless rantings of the NE fan base only seem to magnify with every one of their wildly preposterous denials.
    _____________________________________________________________________________________

    Hater: “Brady was caught red-handed. He didn’t turn over his phone and one guy called himself the deflator in May 2014 in an out-of-context conversation”.

    Reality: “Lots of holes in the NFL’s case, including proven lies told by Goddell. 99.9% of the scientific community believes the loss in PSI was the result of natural causes. Really tough to understand why the Colts were never further investigated for having 75% of their balls below the PSI limit.”

    Hater: “You Patriots fans are so delusional.”

  67. ajsjr40 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    Curious… if Brady cheated by deflating footballs what competitive advantage did he gain?
    ———————–

    If deflating footballs gave anyone a competitive advantage, everyone would be doing it, Aaron Rodgers wouldn’t want his footballs overinflated, and Brady wouldn’t have played even better in the second half of the 2015 AFC Championship Game, after the refs had overinflated the footballs, due to their mistaken belief that they had been deflated.

  68. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:21 pm

    Brady – if you have evidence on your phone that doesn’t incriminate you it’s simple. You cooperate. You don’t hide behind precedent. Plus Brady provided 2 other phones. So why didn’t he provide what Wells asked for on the phone he was using at the time? Answer the question w/o making excuses. Also Brady is paid below market value so why isn’t he worried about setting a precedence with his salary. Seems hypocritical.

    ————————–

    Easy, he did not trust the NFL with the phone due to leaks, I am sure he has a lot of non-NFL data on that phone he did not want the NFL to see and leak, like the texts about the pool cover that were in the texts he provided to Wells. Also Wells told Brady’s team they were all set with the phone and it was not needed anymore, and lastly under the players contract the NFL has no right to his personal phone.

  69. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:

    January 25, 2018 at 1:21 pm

    Kids, let’s stop deflecting the truth and making up lies.

    Truth professor – I would love to discuss this with you privately.

    Farve was an off field issue and he was fined

    Brady – if you have evidence on your phone that doesn’t incriminate you it’s simple. You cooperate. You don’t hide behind precedent. Plus Brady provided 2 other phones. So why didn’t he provide what Wells asked for on the phone he was using at the time? Answer the question w/o making excuses. Also Brady is paid below market value so why isn’t he worried about setting a precedence with his salary. Seems hypocritical.

    Football is a team game and Brady has not only clearly been on the best team, he has the best coach so he has more opportunities to win SB’s.

    Ben scored 42 points on Jax and Brady only 24.

    If the Pats defense doesn’t shutout Seattle, Falcons and Jax in the 2nd half Brady doesn’t win the last 2 SB’s and he loses against Jax.

    Peyton also played a 1st Place schedule and his defense and special teams failed him more often than not in the playoffs.

    Peyton has better playoff passing stats than Brady.

    Brady scored only 14 and 17 points against the Giants and Pats fans blame it on the defense.

    Peyton had his worst year and won a SB.
    Brady had his best year 2007 and lost a SB.

    Belichick is heads and shoulders better than any other coach and may be the greatest coach of all time. Take Belichick off the Pats and they aren’t as good. Take Brady off the Pats and replace him with Peyton, Rodgers and Brees and they are still dominant.

    Pats went 3-1 without Brady with 2 of the games with a rookie 3rd string QB.

    -====================

    Sweet cherry picking my good man.

    Belichick is only 18-19 as Pats HC without Brady starting.

    Brady handed over all electronic data and emails and the Wells had all communications between him and the 2 equipment guys. He also asked for the appeal hearing transcript to be made public and he asked to voluntarily go under oath. NFL then lied saying Brady wanted the record sealed (an article that is still available on NFL.com TO THIS DAY, uncorrected!) and it promptly leaked Brady’s emails to the public (why do we care about his pool cover preference?). Goodell also lied in court and to the public as proven by the transcript. And why was the NFL allowed to edit an “independent” report, and to use attorneys from Wells’ law firm at the appeal? Its a massive conflict of interest and shows further dishonesty about their “independence”. And where are the PSI logs?

    And to say “Peyton had his worst year and won a SB” blatantly omits that he missed half the year and that Denver had a historically great defense.

    And Peyton does not have “better” stats than Brady where it counts. Manning is the all time leader in playoff pick sixes, where Brady is the all time leader in playoff 4th quarter comebacks. If you put Peyton on the Pats, sure they’d be great, but there would certainly be less playoff success.

  70. GOAT SYSTEM QB. If you disagree then who’s better?

    ____

    Montana. He played an awesome system that allowed Steve Bono and Steve Young to thrive as well. Plug and play, never missed a beat.

  71. ajsjr40 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:03 pm
    Curious… if Brady cheated by deflating footballs what competitive advantage did he gain? He has been to every Super Bowl since his suspension and he is on the verge of another MVP season at 40 years old?
    —-
    The league never gave two craps about PSI in footballs.

    Brady’s preferred air pressure in footballs is at the low end of the legal scale, 12.5 PSI. This is known throughout the league.

    After beating the Ravens in the playoffs Brady made a comment about reading the rule book that hurt the poor widdle Ravens feelings, so the Ravens tipped off the Colts to check air pressure in Brady’s footballs to try and embarrass him.

    Brady told his guys before the AFCCG to make the footballs 12.5 as usual.

    Footballs PSI goes down in cold weather hence the lower measurements that night. You know the rest of the story. It all aligned nicely with the text messages,

    Oh and the league still doesn’t give two craps about PSI. And anyone with a brain knows why they won’t release the measurements from 2015.

    It isn’t rocket science, anyone with a semblance of intelligence could figure this out.

    Any other opinion is wrong and therefore completely irrelevant. The end.

  72. takeyourpunishmentandquitwhininglikeababy says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:02 pm
    No matter what happens, Brady will be known as the greatest living human being in the history of the universe to his sad, deluded NE fan base. However, the rest of the world will forever view his success with great skepticism and suspicion which the endless rantings of the NE fan base only seem to magnify with every one of their wildly preposterous denials.

    ——————————-
    Not true. Belichick will be our first. Brady will be second. And we are not sad, quite happy in fact. Hey, we aint the ones complainng here.

  73. Easy, he did not trust the NFL with the phone due to leaks, I am sure he has a lot of non-NFL data on that phone he did not want the NFL to see and leak, like the texts about the pool cover that were in the texts he provided to Wells. Also Wells told Brady’s team they were all set with the phone and it was not needed anymore, and lastly under the players contract the NFL has no right to his personal phone.

    “””

    Easy you don’t even know the facts.

    Wells DIDNOT ask Brady to turn over his phone. Wells asked Brady’s lawyer to perform a search of the phone using keywords like ball prep, deflation, psi etc. Wells said he would trust his lawyer and asked for no personal info

    And I don’t care what the rules are on personal phones, if my legacy was about to be tarnished I would have cooperated 1000%.

  74. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:21 pm

    Peyton has better playoff passing stats than Brady.

    Peyton had his worst year and won a SB.
    ———————

    Who cares who had better passing stats?

    Manning had the best season of any quarterback ever, and nearly got shut out in Super Bowl 48.

  75. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:21 pm

    Truth professor – I would love to discuss this with you privately.

    ———————-
    Oh c’mon man. This is supposed to be fun. Take a break if you are getting that fired up.

  76. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:

    January 25, 2018 at 1:29 pm

    ajsjr40 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:03 pm
    Curious… if Brady cheated by deflating footballs what competitive advantage did he gain? He has been to every Super Bowl since his suspension and he is on the verge of another MVP season at 40 years old?
    ————–
    It’s already a proven FACT that the balls were never deflated.

    “””

    It doesn’t matter he cheated and assuming by going to SB’s vindicate him is nonsense. Peyton hasn’t played since his suspension and Peyton’s team has beat Brady 3/4 AFCCG.

    There is no FACT he didn’t cheat. A scientist that never tested the balls used in the game making a claim is a farce.

    ===================================

    Then you are admitting there are no “facts” that support he cheated.

    If Brady did want the balls deflated, why in God’s green earth would he want the footballs deflated to all different PSI’s? Wouldn’t you assume he had a preferred firmness? Having footballs at all different levels would be a hinderance, not an advantage.

  77. @ theevidencesaysotherwise

    Interesting handle you have there.
    Interesting, because ‘EVIDENCE” is the one thing the didn’t possess in Framegate;

    It DID include;
    Propaganda
    False reports from BSPN
    A conspiracy
    A witch Hunt
    Ruffled Feathers from other owners, GMS and NFL Employees
    Trumped up, fictionalized reports that included wild speculation, assumptions and innuendo which was twisted into heretofore never before seen Pretzel logic to arrive at a bogus preponderance of evidence judgement which failed miserably to prove it was more likely than not Brady did or knew about something

    You can basically be one of 2 things is you believe the lines the NFL was trying to sell you in Shamegate/Framegate: A complete and utter Patriot Hater or a really, really, gullible buffoon.
    Take your pick

  78. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:29 pm

    ajsjr40 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:03 pm
    Curious… if Brady cheated by deflating footballs what competitive advantage did he gain? He has been to every Super Bowl since his suspension and he is on the verge of another MVP season at 40 years old?
    ————–
    It’s already a proven FACT that the balls were never deflated.

    “””

    It doesn’t matter he cheated and assuming by going to SB’s vindicate him is nonsense. Peyton hasn’t played since his suspension and Peyton’s team has beat Brady 3/4 AFCCG.

    There is no FACT he didn’t cheat. A scientist that never tested the balls used in the game making a claim is a farce.
    ________________________________________

    Actually as I’m sure the professor will tell you. Exponents own research vindicated Brady and the Pats. In their analysis they showed that using the logo gauge, which Referee Anderson remembers using, and back calculating for pessure change due to temoerature all but one of the Patriots footballs were in the legal range. Exponent then discounted that data and said Anderson used the other gauge because recalculating for the colts balls indicated that they were higher than the pregame readings. This was flawed because Exponent didn’t account for temperature change in the colts footballs that occurred while waiting to be gauged at halftime.

  79. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:21 pm
    Kids, let’s stop deflecting the truth and making up lies.

    Truth professor – I would love to discuss this with you privately.

    Farve was an off field issue and he was fined

    Brady – if you have evidence on your phone that doesn’t incriminate you it’s simple. You cooperate. You don’t hide behind precedent. Plus Brady provided 2 other phones. So why didn’t he provide what Wells asked for on the phone he was using at the time? Answer the question w/o making excuses. Also Brady is paid below market value so why isn’t he worried about setting a precedence with his salary. Seems hypocritical.
    Football is a team game and Brady has not only clearly been on the best team, he has the best coach so he has more opportunities to win SB’s.

    Ben scored 42 points on Jax and Brady only 24.

    If the Pats defense doesn’t shutout Seattle, Falcons and Jax in the 2nd half Brady doesn’t win the last 2 SB’s and he loses against Jax.

    Peyton also played a 1st Place schedule and his defense and special teams failed him more often than not in the playoffs.

    Peyton has better playoff passing stats than Brady.

    Brady scored only 14 and 17 points against the Giants and Pats fans blame it on the defense.

    Peyton had his worst year and won a SB.
    Brady had his best year 2007 and lost a SB.

    Belichick is heads and shoulders better than any other coach and may be the greatest coach of all time. Take Belichick off the Pats and they aren’t as good. Take Brady off the Pats and replace him with Peyton, Rodgers and Brees and they are still dominant.

    Pats went 3-1 without Brady with 2 of the games with a rookie 3rd string QB.
    ——-
    I’ll try, even though I’m not a truth professor. And be succinct as I can.

    Phone: 1. NFL has no right to your personal phone, this would have set precedent well beyond football, it’s about employer vs employee.
    2. Regardless of #1, I’m assuming you read the Ted Wells report…..right? Let’s be honest with each other. Brady and his legal team supplied over 10K texts in the transcript to the courts for this witch hunt. 3. The NFL did have the cell phones of The ballboy and another equipment guy. One would think Brady’s texts to them would viewable on their phones too, I believe that’s how technology works.
    This was about headlines, “Brady destroys phone”

    Brady paid below market value: this is a big myth. He gets a massive bonus paid up front with each new deal/renewal and a ‘smaller’ salary against the cap. Which of course helps the team and team salary cap. Nothing stops other owners from paying more guaranteed money up front like Kraft has done he just trusts Brady and he’s delivered.

    Brady has the best coach: I agree…..like evah.

    Ben scored 42, Brady 24: arguing one game is pointless, we both know this. Fine, I’ll bite. First time Brady played Jax, he scored 24 and won. First time Ben played Jax, he threw 5 interceptions and lost.

    What if’s with Seattle. Atlanta, Jax, etc: again, sort of weird to argue what ifs but I’ll bite again. What if tyree doesn’t catch a ball off his head, what if Asante Samuel catches that pick right through his hands, what if Weker doesn’t drop that pass. Both losses to the Giants Brady left the field ahead, both defenses allowed the winning score late. What if Blount doesn’t fumble in the first half in Atlanta territory. What if Kearse doesn’t make that ridiculous circus catch at the 6 yard line (Pats win in regulation earlier and Wilson doesn’t even get a chance to throw a pick. What if Bortles doesn’t play one of the most efficient, best games of his careers, etc. let’s stick to what did happen.

    I’m not sure what the argument is with Peyton winning in his worst year, and Brady losing in his best? Peyton sucked and was bailed out by an all time historical defense? I guess if Brady going 18-1 is a blemish on your record than I guess it’s been a good ride. Look, I think the offense underperformed and it was an upset but losing a SB isn’t exactly pie in the face.

    I won’t argue he has the best coach, and I do think that’s a good thing for him. But no one told Brees and Peyton to take the largest contracts ever and leave less to build a team right? And by this take, is Wentz, should’ve been MVP if not hurt, a system QB? I mean look what Nick Foles has done? Is Doug Petersen Belichick like then? Belichick the GM gets little credit compared to Belichick the coach and it’s weird.

    Brady’s stats with comeback wins, winning when the opponent scored over 25 pts, when he has to throw 50 times a game, etc are phenomenal. And second place isn’t close anymore on lists of his records.

    What I’m saying is Brady is #1, by guys like Manning, Rodgers, Brees etc are right there too. Personally I put Manning 2 or 3. Brady’s accomplishments do not take away from how good those other QBs really are/were, at least it shouldn’t.

  80. blessedunliketherest says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:29 pm
    No matter what happens, Brady will be known as the greatest living human being in the history of the universe to his sad, deluded NE fan base. However, the rest of the world will forever view his success with great skepticism and suspicion which the endless rantings of the NE fan base only seem to magnify with every one of their wildly preposterous denials.
    _____________________________________________________________________________________

    Hater: “Brady was caught red-handed. He didn’t turn over his phone and one guy called himself the deflator in May 2014 in an out-of-context conversation”.

    Reality: “Lots of holes in the NFL’s case, including proven lies told by Goddell. 99.9% of the scientific community believes the loss in PSI was the result of natural causes. Really tough to understand why the Colts were never further investigated for having 75% of their balls below the PSI limit.”

    Hater: “You Patriots fans are so delusional.”

    It’s even worse than you think. They stopped testing the Colts balls the instant they realized their scam was blown up and went the article 46 route since every single bit of their case was as watertight as a colander. You want to talk about circumstantial evidence? There it is. Discuss.

  81. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:55 pm
    Easy, he did not trust the NFL with the phone due to leaks, I am sure he has a lot of non-NFL data on that phone he did not want the NFL to see and leak, like the texts about the pool cover that were in the texts he provided to Wells. Also Wells told Brady’s team they were all set with the phone and it was not needed anymore, and lastly under the players contract the NFL has no right to his personal phone.

    “””

    Easy you don’t even know the facts.

    Wells DIDNOT ask Brady to turn over his phone. Wells asked Brady’s lawyer to perform a search of the phone using keywords like ball prep, deflation, psi etc. Wells said he would trust his lawyer and asked for no personal info

    And I don’t care what the rules are on personal phones, if my legacy was about to be tarnished I would have cooperated 1000%.

    ——————-

    LOL, I don’t think you know the facts, True Wells did not ask for the Phone itself, he asked for the data as you listed, and it was provided, Brady’s team asked in writing if Wells had all the data they needed from the phone and Wells said in writing they had the data they needed. A few months later the NFL asks for the actual phone, Brady says no as he has already provided all the relevant data and at this point he knows it is a witch hunt and the NFL is fishing.

    In regards to your legacy point, again by this time Brady knows the NFL does not care about facts, his name has already been dragged thru the mud, the last thing he is going to do is give them a personal phone family photos, texts with his wife, texts with his car repair man, anything the NFL could take out of context or would be embarrassing if leaked. Like the pool cover text that was leaked, he was not happy with the color pool cover as it did not match what he ordered, but the text leaked makes him look petty and cheap. His trust in the NFL front office at this point is gone, it’s months after the Super Bowl and they still fishing.

  82. You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain.

    It’s a line from Harvey Dent in Batman, but that could have been written about Tom Brady. I think he enjoys beating his opponents and ripping their hearts out. At this point, he doesn’t care if you love him or hate him.

  83. For the last time for you mentally challenged people.

    I don’t care about any legal or other precedence. If I’m innocent I cooperate 1000%. Brady not the Pats cooperated 100%.

    Check out their wiki pages on deflategate and spygate. Lol

    Peyton never cheated.

  84. Irsay’s Bong says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:34 pm
    Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:21 pm

    Brady – if you have evidence on your phone that doesn’t incriminate you it’s simple. You cooperate. You don’t hide behind precedent. Plus Brady provided 2 other phones. So why didn’t he provide what Wells asked for on the phone he was using at the time? Answer the question w/o making excuses. Also Brady is paid below market value so why isn’t he worried about setting a precedence with his salary. Seems hypocritical.

    ————————–

    Easy, he did not trust the NFL with the phone due to leaks, I am sure he has a lot of non-NFL data on that phone he did not want the NFL to see and leak, like the texts about the pool cover that were in the texts he provided to Wells. Also Wells told Brady’s team they were all set with the phone and it was not needed anymore, and lastly under the players contract the NFL has no right to his personal phone.

    ——————————
    The non NFL stuff on that or anyones phone goes wider than that. Any family photos that have Giselle (a major celebrity in the modeling world) will fetch a very high price. Plus his financial data is in there. And his account info would expose much bigger sums than most of us. Also confidential contract discussions and details between he and his agent. Probably game planning details that would hurt the team if they got out too. And confidential in team info. And lots of other stuff. He is like the rest of us with our smartphones he has his entire life in that thing. So to expect him to hand all that over to someone that had already demonstrated a willingness to do mean spirited leaks just to make him personal trouble (smack talking about Manning in a private chat between him and his dad, some details from conversations with Giselle, that he was mad about his pool cover…all that had been released from the log data they had already given) would be ludicrously stupid to do.

    On top of that, the phone Goodell asked for was already gone long before he asked for it. He had already been told by Wells it wasnt needed. Some time after that it was time to upgrade to a new one, so he did, they transferred data, and he handed his old one to his assistant to be wiped before disposal (usually either given to the vendor to reycle or donated like any of us). Then sometime after that too was his meeting with Goodell, who never actually asked for the phone. If you read the transcript Goodell asked where the phone was that day and Brady replied that he had replaced it and given the old one to his assistent to be disposed of. Goodels next question was if he wanted to get the phone could he, Brady said he doubted it he did not know precisely how his assistant handled disposal, but that he was sure it was wiped and gone. And Goodell said fine and moved on to the next topic. And that was the end if the duscussion on the phone. DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR THIS. Please instead look it up in the transcript, it can still be googled from when Berman unsealed it.

    But how it became sealed…Goodell the retold the story falsely and described it as him asking for the phone, Brady refusing then destroying it. This never happened, it was a flat lie told by Goodell. He then sealed the transcript so the lie could not (he wasnt expecting the judge to unseal) be exposed. Then he used the lie as his basis for punishment. (Except that got overturned in the same hearing where Goodell had to admit there was zero evidrnce tampering had even taken place. After that Goodell filed an appeal on the basis that the CBA says he can do what he wants to a player regardless of guilt and he won that point because the CBA does indeed say that. Blame the NFLPA for that;

    As far as those that think his wiping the phone indicates guilt because they think thats not normal for people to wipe their phones before getting rid of them, please contact me because when you are done with yours I will happily give you a few bucks for it.

  85. If the Pats defense doesn’t shutout Seattle, Falcons and Jax in the 2nd half Brady doesn’t win the last 2 SB’s and he loses against Jax.

    ______

    Its a team game, and the D needed to step up and did. I don’t think anybody would dispute that. But you are not taking into consideration that Brady had to score a lot of points and play almost flawlessly for those comebacks to occur. The defense wasnt scoring points for the Pats, they were doing their job and helping get the ball back. It was Bradys job to get them back into it and he did that.

    Also, Brady kept his cool and kept on playing hard the whole time. Could have quit like many QB’s do when they get down, especially in Super Bowls.

    The other teams panicked as well. Seahawks tried to get cute, Falcons melted down completely, and the Jags went into a shell. Too bad for them that they didnt have the mental toughness to hold out and win the biggest games.

  86. Peyton never cheated.

    ______

    His forehead disagrees.

    Its about 30% larger than when he was in college. And he had HGH shipped to his house “for his wife to use”

  87. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 25, 2018 at 10:55 am
    Just one problem Jerry Rice is the greatest football player of all time
    —-
    I’ll bet you a case of stickum you’re wrong.

  88. Peyton had his worst year and won a SB.
    Brady had his best year 2007 and lost a SB.

    _____

    Wait a minute, just earlier you were saying that Brady wouldnt have won the games against Sea, Atl, or Jax unless the defense played great, yet in this quote you don’t take into consideration Denvers defense carrying Megahead? Dude, that is called hypocrisy!

    Also, if you’re going to say Brady lost a SB after his best year, what happened with Mannings best year in 2013? As I recall, he lost a Super Bowl in horrendous fashion.

    Way to pick and choose your stats to fit your narrative.

  89. Peyton has better playoff passing stats than Brady.
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

    What playoff passing stats are you referring to? He has a 0.2% higher completion percentage. Brady has a better overall QB rating as well as a better TD to INT ratio.

    Least we forgot Manning’s SB stats. More INTs then TDs. That’s certainly one for the records books.

  90. Have to admire the Patriots fans who are putting in the time and effort to craft thoughtful responses to silly Patriot Haters.

    I’d rather just laugh at them. It’s WAY more fun! 🙂

  91. When will Patriot Hater’s puny little weakling team fold? It really is insulting to the legacy of the GOAT that he has to stoop well below his standards to play a bunch of little weaklings instead of a REAL MAN’s team or two.

    Fold them all. Get OUT of our league. You don’t deserve to be on the field with US.

    Period.

  92. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:

    January 25, 2018 at 2:40 pm

    For the last time for you mentally challenged people.

    I don’t care about any legal or other precedence. If I’m innocent I cooperate 1000%. Brady not the Pats cooperated 100%.

    Check out their wiki pages on deflategate and spygate. Lol

    Peyton never cheated.

    ===========================================

    Peyton’s wife had HGH sent to her house from a shady clinic that was in trouble for illegally importing HGH from China. There were claims that is was for fertility treatments, but the timeline of when their kids were born does not line up with the shipments. Nothing proven, but the records from the clinic remained sealed. And Peyton promised a defamation lawsuit, but it never materialized. The plaintiff in a defamation suit is subject to a very thorough and public investigation in those cases. Nothing proven, but certainly wasn’t a great look.

  93. JokerSC says:

    January 25, 2018 at 1:52 pm

    GOAT SYSTEM QB. If you disagree then who’s better?

    ========================

    GOAT period. If it was merely the “system”, Belichick would have got rid of Brady for a cheaper option long ago. Belichick has jettisoned lots of talented players over the years as they got expensive (Law, Milloy, Branch, Samuel, Vinatieri, Revis, C.Jones, etc.). Brady is the only player Belichick kept around, that proves he’s not a system QB. If Brady was a system QB, he’d been traded for picks a looooong time ago.

  94. wib22 says:

    January 25, 2018 at 3:49 pm

    Peyton used HGH. Brady was generally aware and got more punishment.

    Spygate was a real cheating scandal, this wasn’t.

    ===========================

    NFL said Spygate provided no competitive advantage. It’s legal to tape from the enclosed boxes, not the sideline. They broke a rule, but that’s different than cheating.

  95. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 25, 2018 at 2:40 pm

    I don’t care about any legal or other precedence. If I’m innocent I cooperate 1000%.

    ——————
    Naive and cute. When someone is trying to stick something on you, you clam up and make it their problem not yours to prove anything. Only a fool lets themselves get trapped into a situation where the onus is on them to prove innocence rather than the accuser to prove his claim. And might I add probably dont help them with any math either.

  96. ez0682 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 4:00 pm
    No Comparison here.

    Brady aka *cheat

    Jerry legit, say no more.

    Im a pats fan just being honest
    ——————————–

    So admitting to using a banded product (stick-em) in game is legit, but being blamed for maybe knowing about PSI in the ball is a cheat? How is that honest?

  97. ez0682 says:
    January 25, 2018 at 4:00 pm

    No Comparison here.

    Brady aka *cheat

    Jerry legit, say no more.

    Im a pats fan just being honest

    —-
    Nice try.

    ez0682 says:
    January 4, 2018 at 2:51 pm

    GB Coach is so delusional how does he still have a job. Even with the best QB he cant even get additional rings wow smh. this is coming from an Eagles fan.

    Perfectly understandable that you’d want to associate with the NFL’s Greatest Dynasty and their superior fans but your team is in the Super Bowl too! I mean geez…wake up and get with it! 🙂

  98. ez0682 says:

    January 25, 2018 at 4:00 pm

    No Comparison here.

    Brady aka *cheat

    Jerry legit, say no more.

    Im a pats fan just being honest

    =======================

    49ers admitted to stickum (Rice), silicon spray on their lineman’s uniforms (Montana) and PEDs (Romanowksi)

  99. The Pats ENVY is STRONG in this article….. but that’s nothing new!!!
    Cry all you’d like, I’ll just laugh my way to yet ANOTHER SuperBowl appearance & HOPEFULLY LOMBARDI # 6…..7…..8……& maybe more till Brady & BB call it a career…..DILLY DILLY!!!
    Go Pats!!!!

  100. One goal he should set for himself and the team—something he’s never done before—is take an early lead in a Super Bowl and at the very least hold it throughout the game, if not build on it. No need for a big dramatic comeback (or loss…) in every Super Bowl. It’d be nice just to see them win it outright from the get go, starting in the first quarter. Unbelievable that Brady led offenses have never scored a point in the first quarter of a Super Bowl….

  101. Chill_Donahue says:
    January 25, 2018 at 12:33 pm
    patsfan4lifesbchamps says:

    Manning did his fair amount of choking during his time but nothing could approach Brady’s 18-1 season choke job. As a Pats fan it still hurts to this day.

    ============

    Too bad Brady gave his team a 4th qtr lead in BOTH Giants Super Bowls and the defense didn’t hold up. Granted there were a couple of magical plays that beat them, but it wasn’t on Brady.

    ————

    The defense only gave up 17 points the entire game. That’s a solid performance by any standard. The problem was the greatest offense the game has ever seen led by Brady only managed to score 14 points. Which included 0 points in the 1st and 3rd quarters. Biggest choke job I’ve ever seen.

  102. truthprofessor says:
    January 25, 2018 at 12:10 pm
    Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    Any person with at least a little common sense knows deflategate is true. Too many coincidences that can’t be explained. Defenders keep arguing science proves his innocence but none of these so called scientists tested any of the footballs used in the game. Brady was caught red handed and there was no conspiracy.

    I’m one of those “so-called scientists”, with 4 degrees hanging on the wall, a tenured chemistry professor in a top 10 department, and with tons of common sense to boot.

    I’ll keep it simple for you: There were NO ball inflation measurements whatsoever that support the notion that anyone took any air out of any football that day, after they were inspected. The footballs cooled to 48 degrees and the laws of the universe did the rest.

    Indeed you are right in that there was no conspiracy. There doesn’t need to be, when rampant stupidity prevails in the NFL office. The NFL had no clue that cooling a football lowers its internal pressure, so they really thought that they were on to something. By the time that they realized their mistake, they had gone so far that they decided to just save face and double down on stupid.

    The case at that point became a egal precedent, and Goodell wanted his ability to do whatever it is that he wanted to do, for any reason or NO REASON, to be affirmed. That eventually happened.

    I wish TB had pushed it to the Supreme Court, but the case was only becoming more and more a distraction not just for him but for his family, including his mother who was under treatment for cancer.

    I don’t blame him for giving up the fight, even with all the facts on his side.

    I’ll do my part to educate people like you. Stop by my Tuesday/Thursday office hours if you like.

    ————-

    Excellent response. Thank you. I was quite surprised, and somewhat amused, when I first heard the news reports of under-inflated balls after the AFC title game. I thought everyone (esp news reporters) understood that pressures decrease with temperature. Apparently not. The problem many folks had was with heat transfer – the fact that the Colts balls were measured later, after being inside for much of halftime. All this was only explained later. The hysteria that followed – remember the NFL would not release the actual data until many months later – appeared purposeful. The narrative had set. Too bad. Had the NFL released the pressure data immediately the issue would have died a quick, merciful death.

  103. donlogansb says:
    January 25, 2018 at 5:25 pm
    One goal he should set for himself and the team—something he’s never done before—is take an early lead in a Super Bowl and at the very least hold it throughout the game, if not build on it. No need for a big dramatic comeback (or loss…) in every Super Bowl. It’d be nice just to see them win it outright from the get go, starting in the first quarter. Unbelievable that Brady led offenses have never scored a point in the first quarter of a Super Bowl….

    I agree. I would love to see the Patriots completely blowout the birds from start to finish. Go Patriots!

  104. atsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    January 25, 2018 at 5:54 pm
    Chill_Donahue says:
    January 25, 2018 at 12:33 pm
    patsfan4lifesbchamps says:

    Manning did his fair amount of choking during his time but nothing could approach Brady’s 18-1 season choke job. As a Pats fan it still hurts to this day.

    ============

    Too bad Brady gave his team a 4th qtr lead in BOTH Giants Super Bowls and the defense didn’t hold up. Granted there were a couple of magical plays that beat them, but it wasn’t on Brady.

    ————

    The defense only gave up 17 points the entire game. That’s a solid performance by any standard. The problem was the greatest offense the game has ever seen led by Brady only managed to score 14 points. Which included 0 points in the 1st and 3rd quarters. Biggest choke job I’ve ever seen.

    ====//=

    To quote Herm Edwards “ you play to win the game” . Brady was hammered by a great giants D line effort and a poor one by his O line. And it took a magical catch ( with like 4 noncalled holding penalties) to make it happen for NYG.He gave his team the lead in a defensive battle and they couldn’t hold it. Thats the literal antithesis of choking. You have no evidence, just waiting for your completely refuted system qb argument that you love to trot out. You hate Brady and the Pats , we get it. You gotta work on your arguments though.

  105. takeyourpunishmentandquitwhininglikeababy says:
    January 25, 2018 at 1:02 pm
    No matter what happens, Brady will be known as the greatest living human being in the history of the universe to his sad, deluded NE fan base.

    Nope, some of us think he’s a bit odd. The best QB I’ve seen in nearly 60 years but I’m not sure I could abide his lifestyle. He’s healthier than I am but I gotta say a world without cheeseburgers is hardly worth living in.

  106. I think it’s really good of PFT to allow the Pats obsessed trolls the opportunity to ‘defeat’ Brady here with anonymous and specious posts on an internet blog since their teams can’t seem to do it on the field. It’s not PFT’s fault the trolls aren’t equal to the task

  107. QBs that have played in 8 Superbowls.
    1.Tom Brady

    Teams that have been to 10 Superbowls.
    1.New England Patriots

    You haters bore me…now go get ready to watch the Patriots play at the superbowl party you are either going to or are hosting and pretend it’s for your team…..yawnnn.

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