“Load of crap” or not, Steelers lack discipline

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It’s nice to know that Steelers defensive end Cam Heyward has his coach’s back. If more of Heyward’s teammates did, maybe they’d be getting ready to play in the Super Bowl right now.

Regardless of what Heyward says about the team’s perceived (or actual) lack of discipline, there were indeed problems with discipline this year  — and some of them fall on the shoulders of the coaching staff.

For example, Tomlin created the distraction arising from his stunning willingness to look past multiple opponents in talking about two future games (one that happened, one that didn’t) against the Patriots. Also, the distractions that came from multiple failures of situational football (against the Patriots and Jaguars) trace ultimately to Tomlin.

Nothing any Steelers player says changes the perception that the Steelers failed to accomplish what they could have. Tomlin himself said the Steelers “should win it all.” Although offensive coordinator Todd Haley became the scapegoat, Tomlin is moving closer to being on notice. While the hot seat may still be years away, Tomlin has several areas in which he needs to improve if he wants to end the talk regarding the team’s, or his own, lack of discipline.

52 responses to ““Load of crap” or not, Steelers lack discipline

  1. The inmates are clearly running the asylum there.

    Ooops, I hope I didn’t offend anybody. Just kidding, I don’t care.

  2. Remember what happened to Ken Whisenhunt when he didn’t have Haley around making him look good? The same fate awaits Tomlin.

  3. Turning Todd Haley into the scapegoat for all these problems will get Tomlin only so far. The smart thing would have been to fire Tomin, give Matt Patricia the full-court press (its a WAY better job than Detroit), and then tell Levion to go pound sand and use the extra cash to build depth. Best way to compete with the Pats.

  4. “Load of crap” or not, Steelers lack discipline.

    When you’re right, you’re right.

    The Steelers are good and have been good for years… but it seems like they have under achieved to a certain extent.

    The NFL is so competitive and they’re forced to live under a 24/7 microscope, but I think that many in the Steelers organization will look back years from now and realize that they squandered some opportunities.

    As the famous one said (and I’m paraphrasing) – to win we need to keep from losing.

    It’s OK when you lose because the other team beat you and you played well.

    It’s disheartening to realize that you contributed more to your teams loss than your opponent did.

    The Steelers success recently seems in spite of themselves. They play their opponent and they play themselves too.

  5. Bottom line is Tomlin is a good coach – it’s unfair to compare him to Belichick. But he needs to shorten the leash, especially his skill position players who yap too much. Discarding an underperforming loudmouth like Mike Mitchell is a good start.

  6. Haha I still smile thinking about tebow destroying them in the playoffs. Discipline?, what’s that the Steelers ask

  7. The team is a “load of crap” because of their coach. What coach allows his players to show up after the walk-through and then lets them play in the game?

  8. If Joey Porter is on your staff, you’re accepting that there will be discipline issues.

  9. Jimmy Johnson (Cowboys) is virtually identical to Tomlin in the areas Tomlin is being criticized for. Had numerous player discipline issues. Not one who is afraid to speak his thoughts.

    Remember Jimmy’s ’93 Championship game comment before playing the 49ers?
    “The Cowboys will win the ballgame. You can put it in 3 inch headlines”. – JJ

    To which 49ers coach George Seifert responded:
    “Well the man has balls, I’ll tell you that. I don’t know if they’re brass or papier-mâché. We’ll find out here pretty soon.” – GS

    Jimmy’s response:
    “They are definitely not papier-mâché!” – JJ

    Just because the Patriots have a dynasty doesn’t mean that everything has to be done the Belichick way. Plenty of coaches out there that win with their own style who aren’t afraid to speak their thoughts.

  10. Tomlin has an air of arrogance. He had his players believing they couldn’t lose even though they barely beat many bad teams in the regular season. They played in slow motion and got lucky to win as many games as they did. Unless he changes, neither will his team.

  11. Tomlin did bench Martavis Bryant for requesting a trade, so there is discipline there.
    On the other hand, his QB is very chatty about his coaches with seemingly no discipline. Wonder how Tomlin (and Big Ben’s teammates) feel about last week’s news involving Big Ben and Trump?

  12. Agree with everything except the stuff about Haley. That guy had more talent to work with than anyone else in the league, but his players didn’t like him, his fellow coaches didnt like him, he was a horrible play caller, he got into multiple bar incidents, and his schemes were overrated and generally failed in the red zone. Considering everything he had to work with and was surrounded by, he underachieved. Good luck, Cleveland. Otherwise, spot on.

    Go Steelers anyways!

  13. Tomlin has made his share of mistakes and needs to improve, but reading the comments on this site you’d think there was only one good coach in the NFL, and 31 other terrible ones that need to be fired immediately.

  14. “Jimmy Johnson (Cowboys) is virtually identical to Tomlin in the areas Tomlin is being criticized for. Had numerous player discipline issues. Not one who is afraid to speak his thoughts.

    Remember Jimmy’s ’93 Championship game comment before playing the 49ers?
    “The Cowboys will win the ballgame. You can put it in 3 inch headlines”. – JJ”

    But, Jimmy won that game, Tomlin didn’t even get to it.

  15. >>>But he needs to shorten the leash, especially his skill position players who yap too much. Discarding an underperforming loudmouth like Mike Mitchell is a good start.<<<

    With all due respect you're saying that the person that is part of the problem of yapping is the one that has the solution. It starts with him. Until he shuts up and changes his ways of talking out then we can't expect his players to. He's a lot like Rex Ryan in that way. One thing to be or show confidence, especially if one is asked, then to freely come out on your own and just make statements that provide incentive or bulletin board material for your opponents.

    The majority of coaches just don't do that.

  16. sigbouncer says:
    January 26, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    Jimmy Johnson (Cowboys) is virtually identical to Tomlin in the areas Tomlin is being criticized for. Had numerous player discipline issues. Not one who is afraid to speak his thoughts.

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    It’s true that Johnson encouraged a showy, trash-talky culture. But Johnson won two Super Bowls and his team won a third the year he left. The dynasty of the ’90s, period. He took a 1-15 team and built it into a multi-SB winner in 3 years, largely drafting and signing from scratch. One of only 6 coaches to ever coach back-to-back SB winners. And that was after he had similar success at the college head-coaching level.

    Tomlin’s Steelers won one SB the year after he joined the team (with most of his predecessor’s coaching staff in place) and they’ve won squat since, over the last 9 years, with one of the best QBs in the league.

    This team has had enough talent to win it all every year. They keep running into the same wall of indiscipline, and everyone outside of Pittsburgh – or maybe even everyone outside of the team’s building – can see it clearly.

  17. baronvonheil says:
    January 26, 2018 at 1:33 pm
    This is an absurd narrative. We couldn’t stop the run after Shazier went down. It’s no more complicated than that
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    You have to be able to have subs who can step up and that’s not the problem.

  18. joenomouth says:
    January 26, 2018 at 1:31 pm

    But, Jimmy won that game, Tomlin didn’t even get to it.

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    What are you talking about? Tomlin’s been to 3 AFC Championship’s (8 Playoff Appearances) in 11 years. Head Coach for the Steelers in two Super Bowl games with one Super Bowl win.

    How many current NFL coaches can you name with this kind of resume?

  19. Steelers:
    NFL’s 3rd ranked offense this year (6040yds)
    + postseason ranked 1st in yds/gm (545)
    = make the OC a scapegoat.
    The rest of the AFC likes the Steelers’ math.

  20. tomlin and colbert’s whole
    schtick is tied to hubris

    hence, their problem

    and the dumb rooneys’ arrogancs in thinking they never need
    to fire someone as they scapegoat others

  21. steaksandwichandsteaksandwich says:
    January 26, 2018 at 1:20 pm
    Tomlin did bench Martavis Bryant for requesting a trade, so there is discipline there.
    On the other hand, his QB is very chatty about his coaches with seemingly no discipline.

    I do believe Ben has 2 SB rings, and after a fairly (even by Pats fans standards) decent 13 yr career, he knows the pulse of the team. Asst coaches are easily replaceable. 50,000 yd passers who have proven their worth, are not. Bryant has done NOTHING to deserve a little understanding from Tomlin.

  22. With all their talent, the Steelers seriously underachieved by not even making the Conference Championship Game. That falls on the coaches. Belichick would tear apart any player who talked about an opponent that was still a couple weeks away.

  23. I though Haley did a great job with the offense its the defense that needs work. Two offensive co-ordinators Tomlin has got rid of, both seemed to do a good job from this Patriots fans point of view.

  24. firedog784 says: With all due respect you’re saying that the person that is part of the problem of yapping is the one that has the solution. It starts with him

    Outside of the conversation w/ Dungy, please provide me where he has been “yapping” about anything. He is an excitable coach on the sidelines, and was a VERY young guy when he started coaching. He has NEVER gotten into any spats, ala Jim Harbaugh,etc w/ ANY coach in 12 yrs. So please, provide me where he has yapped. You just don’t like his character – Tomlin has never trash talked anybody.

  25. sigbouncer says:
    January 26, 2018 at 1:47 pm

    What are you talking about? Tomlin’s been to 3 AFC Championship’s (8 Playoff Appearances) in 11 years. Head Coach for the Steelers in two Super Bowl games with one Super Bowl win.

    How many current NFL coaches can you name with this kind of resume?

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    If you are happy with the status quo then I guess everybody is happy. We are all set here.

  26. Is he really a good coach or did he just get lucky with a franchise QB and arguably one of the best defensive minds in the history of football?

    Tomlin clearly is not a great coach because his team lacks discipline. Great coaches like Belichick and Saban don’t let their teams slide.

  27. .
    Obviously no one knows what will happen in free agency and the draft. However, the AFC could look a whole lot different next year. The NE – Pitt era of AFC predominance will be challenged. The Patriots are losing both coordinators and have 17 free agents. The Steelers are going to have a hard time getting back to this seasons status. That leaves the upstart Jaguars, Titans, Bills and even Houston and Indy with Watson and Luck returning knocking at the door.
    .

  28. tylawspick6 says:
    January 26, 2018 at 1:53 pm
    tomlin and colbert’s whole
    schtick is tied to hubris

    hence, their problem

    and the dumb rooneys’ arrogancs in thinking they never need
    to fire someone as they scapegoat others

    ___________________________________

    If winning 6 super bowls, playing in 8, & having 3 of the winningest coaches in NFL history over 50 yrs, is “dumb”, I’m sure about 28 other franchises would love THAT kind of “dumb” ownership.

  29. Haley has been scapegoaedt? The OC calls the offensive plays. Haley prohibited Roethlisberger from calling an audible in any 4th-and-short situation. So Haley called the abysmal fourth-down plays in the Jags game and was responsible for the Steelers’ abysmal red-zone performance all season. When an offense has as many weapons as Pittsburgh’s and consistently fails to produce more than just enough, that’s the fault of the offensive coordinator.

    If anyone is being scapegoated, it’s Tomlin. He’s never had a losing season, has the second-highest number of wins in 11 seasons in NFL history, and just led his team to the third best record in Steelers history. Yet people keep calling for his head. Should he stop obsessing over the Patriots? Yes. We all make mistakes, and that–along with the onside kick in the Jags game–was a big one. But it’s a mistake easily rectified. This isn’t San Diego and Rooney isn’t likely to fire a coach of this caliber. Firing Shottenheimer didn’t do San Diego much good, did it?

  30. Mark Maddon is a local Pittsburgh sports radio host and he claims that even Tomlin’s coaches show up late for meetings. He wrote an article about it this week saying Tomlin should clamp down on that and ban social media to start.

    Disclaimer: I can’t stand Maddon and hate his show.

  31. Look, I and many other lifelong Steeler fans have been saying this for YEARS! Tomlin has won ONLY 3 playoff games in the last 7 years AND he’s had a franchise QB the ENTIRE time he’s had the team! Cowher won 4 playoff games with Kordell, Tomczak & Maddox as his QB. Tomlin cannot manage a clock, cannot made in game adjustments, consistently has his team underprepared to defeat sub .500 teams, let’s the team Divas run roughshod all over the locker room, won’t control their social media distractions and himself often looks past the opponent of the week, the James Harrison fiasco, trying to trip an opposing player on the sidelines for which he was fined $100K, on and on and on. Watch him on the sidelines sporting that “Deer in the headlights” look! Case in point, when they had NO plan for the final play of the Pats game! This has been going on for years, but it’s good to see that Florio and others in sports media are FINALLY seeing what so many fans have known for so long. These are NOT the traits, of a “Good” NFL coach. He’s won games despite himself with a large amount of talent on the roster. But talent only goes so far.

  32. I don’t know if it’s a lack of discipline, a lack of maturity or both, but obviously the formula they have in Pitt is a loser formula when it comes to situational football. when you break it all down, that’s what it comes down to and they suck at it. I don’t care if they hang on to Tomlin or not, but as long as they do, Pitt won’t be a serious threat.

  33. Steelers can’t win a playoff game, Tomlin should be fired. Seriously, I’ve always felt Tomlin was more of a cheerleader than coach. He no longer has LaBeau and Haley, guess he better drop the pompoms and go to work.

  34. other coaches don’t need to emulate belichick to win. they absolutely should be themselves. BUT what you can’t do is time-after-time make bad coaching decisions in critical game situations.

    it doesn’t matter what your personality is or how mouthy your players are if the coach and players are totally unprepared for probable game situations.

  35. I think the people on here calling the Rooney’s dumb and Tomlin a cheerleader are really incapable of being anything but trolls. The accomplishments of the Rooney family and respect they get and give to Pittsburg is immense. As mentioned above Tomlins record is second to only a punished cheater. Being a troll may give you enjoyment but flags you for being a fool, but your day will be here soon enough.

  36. I came across LeVeon Bell’s Youtube channel yesterday where he sports an overly obnoxious amount of diamond-studded gold chains, as well as throwing cash around in a strip club, with the girls blurred out in the background. Nice to know he’s got his priorities in order. That poor guy will have a zero net work just like Terrell Owens soon after he stops playing. These guys are proving to be just as undisciplined in life as they are in playing football.

  37. Steelers have been always second to the patriots going on 15 years now. Tomlin is a cheerleader. Hopefully he stays the coach for years to come.

    Nofool- how bout Tomlin tripping players? LOL

  38. Tomlin may not be a very good situational football coach but it doesn’t seem like that is what he is there for or why he still has the job. His function appears to be managing the personalities Colbert has assembled and that should be placing at least as much scrutiny on him as a GM as it is on Tomlin as a HC.

  39. Tomlin has several areas in which he needs to improve if he wants to end the talk regarding the team’s, or his own, lack of discipline.
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    The same can be said about every coach not named Belichick. Great analysis.

  40. No, Tomlin is no Belichick – no one else is like Belichick.
    But, not everyone wants to be like the Hoodie, and unlike the majority of
    the commenters on here, a lot don’t want to cheer for him.

    And not every player wants to be in his regimented, cold dreary system
    where players are treated like interchangeable/ disposable parts.
    Few players can fit into that kind of draconian, impersonal environment.

    Can anyone see Ben sitting in one of their meetings and being ripped apart
    by Belichick in front of his teammates?

    I bet he’d give him the finger and walk out. Only Brady can take that
    kind of constant abuse… it’s his fuel. It’s a unique relationship.

    Tomlin treats his players like men – even if they let him down and act childish.
    He knows how to deal with them, and has never lost the respect of his players.
    Other than the Bryant outburst, the disciplining occurs behind the scenes, as it
    should be.

    Tomlin isn’t perfect, but he is one heck of a coach. This feeding frenzy
    to fire Tomlin is absurd, and I have to question the motives behind it.
    Everyone needs to get off this ridiculous Tomlin bashing bandwagon.

  41. With Lebeau they had a great defense and decent offense. Big Ben was the difference.

    With Haley they had a great offense and decent defense. Big Ben was the difference.

    Next year they go 8 and 8 and Tomlin walks away from this team. Big Ben cant save them.

    He’s not a great coach. Not at all.

  42. Todd Haley is a scapegoat?

    Facts are facts. Haley is let go. Munchak drops out of Cardinals head coaching race to stay with Steelers. Those are facts.

    I have a lot of respect for Haley. But he is not the most stable human being on the planet … read the stories on this site … KC eavesdropping, various Mr. & Mrs. Haley social incidents, wars with Haley’s and their contractors, and then what everyone sees on the sideline … in Arizona, Kansas and Pittsburgh.

    The Steelers decided they needed to protect Ben from Ben. They hired a guy who would come in and make the changes needed no matter the feathers he ruffled. They hired a guy who could do that and call plays. He has a talent. No question. Nothing but respect. At the same time, this guy is a bit looney tunes. Sooner or later he wears thin. I think the Munchak thing was the real final straw.

    I think the Browns need him. I think they will be much better for having him. But. His time in Pittsburgh was up.

    I hope Fichtner can call plays.

  43. Steelers definitely lack SOMETHING that’s preventing them from getting to the Superbowl. His name is Dr. Ryzde.

  44. I’m amazed at how they let Martavius Bryant say the things he did about Juju…and stay on the team.

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