Belichick looks to tie Halas, Lambeau with six NFL championships

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Patriots coach Bill Belichick is already the only head coach in NFL history to win five Super Bowls. But on Sunday he can also tie the record for total NFL championships, a record that hasn’t been equaled since before the Super Bowl was a thing.

George Halas won six NFL championships as head coach of the Bears, the first in 1921 (when the team was called the Chicago Staleys and the league was called the American Professional Football Association) and the last in 1963. Curly Lambeau won six NFL championships with the Green Bay Packers, the first in 1929 and the last in 1944. Those coaches are the only two with six league titles. Belichick will become the third if the Patriots beat the Eagles in Super Bowl LII.

Of course, Belichick is coaching in a very different NFL than Halas and Lambeau were. Halas and Lambeau were coaching — and coaching against — a lot of players who had other jobs and didn’t even necessarily consider football their primary occupation. With fundamental changes to the game ranging from two-way players to free agency, Belichick is doing a very different job than Halas and Lambeau.

But the result is the same: Great coaches who, if Belichick wins on Sunday, will have 18 NFL titles among them.

125 responses to “Belichick looks to tie Halas, Lambeau with six NFL championships

  1. Like it even matters. Belichick has no peers. Nobody cares about championships from the days of part time players and linebackers under 200 lbs.

  2. Yeah, here’s the thing, a lot more teams to go through these days and football has become a bit more complicated than handoff and run forward until someone stops you.
    No comparison, BB’s place in history isnt even in question.

  3. This
    johnthorpe says:
    January 30, 2018 at 5:55 pm
    Halas and Lambeau didn’t need to cheat to win. Bill did. That matters.

    And if you believe that you are a fool

  4. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:11 pm
    I think there should be a trophy for playing in the worse division in football

    1 3 Rate This

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    The nfc east and afc south were clearly worse this year. Montana and walsh’s 1980s nfc west also says hello.

  5. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:11 pm
    I think there should be a trophy for playing in the worse division in football
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    You don’t do any research at all, do you? The AFC East has a better winning percentage than most other divisions. The Patriots are a juggernaut that would likely hold a similar run of success regardless of what division they are in. The fact they reside in the AFC East is more of a disadvantage to the Bills, Dolphins and Jets than it is an advantage for the Patriots.

  6. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:11 pm
    I think there should be a trophy for playing in the worse division in football

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    And yet the Giants wouldn’t win a single division game if they and the Jets switched divisions. 🙂

  7. I don’t believe for a second that Belichick is looking to tie, beat, lose, or break any records of those who came before him. He doesn’t care about records or stats.

    He is on to the game which will be played on Sunday, nothing before, nothing after. Same with the GOAT; extraordinary mental toughness, no distractions.

  8. johnthorpe says:
    January 30, 2018 at 5:55 pm
    Halas and Lambeau didn’t need to cheat to win. Bill did. That matters.

    7 43 Rate This

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    Hilarious…halas and lombardi were notorious chesters and bb has never cheated, as it is well documented what goodell has tried to do for 10 years.

    Imagine if halas and lombardi had ro deal with cheating owners colluding with a cheating commissioner?

  9. Actually, the Packers had their charter revoked and were kicked out of the NFL for using ringers while Lambeau was their coach. He had to buy his way back into the league. But you football historians knew that I’m sure. Tell us all again how having the best record in an 11 team league featuring the mighty Newark Tornadoes that didn’t even have a playoff system is totally the same as winning a SB in the salary cap free agency period.

  10. tylawspick6 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:22 pm
    johnthorpe says:
    January 30, 2018 at 5:55 pm
    Halas and Lambeau didn’t need to cheat to win. Bill did. That matters.

    7 43 Rate This

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    Hilarious…halas and lombardi were notorious chesters and bb has never cheated, as it is well documented what goodell has tried to do for 10 years.

    Imagine if halas and lombardi had ro deal with cheating owners colluding with a cheating commissioner?

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    Yep. Patriot Hater gets powned again. Again and again.

    Too freaking funny!

  11. Long time Patriots fan here — After watching all of the Tom vs Time documentaries — Keeping Jimmy G locked out of the TB12 Therapy Center DOES seem like something Tom would do.

    Also why not invite him with the receivers up to the Montana getaway, if their just throwing and playing golf, and his best high-school buddies are there also.. Makes you wonder…

  12. ‘I think there should be a trophy for playing in the worse division in football’

    It’s bad enough the winner of the NFC west gets in the playoffs, now some fool wants to give them a trophy for it…smdh

  13. In Teddy We Trust says:
    January 30, 2018 at 5:57 pm
    Championships won in the 1920’s by finishing with a better record than the Pottsville Maroons and the Dayton Triangles should not count.
    ////////////////////////////////

    Kinda easy statement for a Viking fan, isn’t it? The world didn’t exist before 1961? Tell it to the Yankees, or the Canadiens, or the Celtics. All championships count, for those not in denial.

  14. amadorcountyca says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:07 pm
    To all you haters – Scoreboard!!! 8 super bowls trips in 16 seasons just blows your mind.
    ——————————————

    Vince Lombardi’s 5 Super Bowl wins in just seven seasons really blows my mind and the fact he retired after the 5th.
    This is why the Lombardi trophy will never be renamed, especially after a coach with a checkered past for cheating the great game of football.

  15. at 6:20 pm
    elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:11 pm
    I think there should be a trophy for playing in the worse division in football

    Funny, I don’t remember anyone ever saying that about Manning when he played all those years in the AFC South

    That was in fact the “worse division in football “ the entire time he was in Indianapolis.
    But we know the CRYBABIES like to make stuff up.

    Tell me again how many playoff games your sorry a$$ Giants have won since 2011? Oh yeah, ZERO

    the Patriots have won more SB than the Giants have won playoff games since 2011 …. enjoy the offseason

  16. Asterisks due to spygate.
    ********************
    So taping 1 half of football in the 1st game of the year after the memo was sent in 2006 resulted in them winning 3 SB’s BEFORE that was “illegal” (which I use loosely here) and then helped them win 2 more SB’s years later?

    Just want to make sure that I have that straight. Oh, and they lost that 2007 SB, so did they take that day off from cheating or did something else happen?

  17. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:11 pm
    I think there should be a trophy for playing in the worse division in football

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    I know…..the Steelers should be ashamed how pathetic the AFC North is

  18. Belichick would have been a great coach back then, and he’d probably be a great coach if he came into the league decades from now. More than anything, he’s a teacher. The “fire and brimstone” gimmick of some guys wears thin after a while (even with success), as does the “Rah! Rah!”supposed “players coach” routine– regardless of if the guy has a great Xs-and-Os mind. Belichick, despite the reputation of being a curmudgeon, has found the sweet spot.

  19. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:11 pm

    I think there should be a trophy for playing in the worse division in football
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    The Tomlin Trophy?

  20. Vince Lombardi’s 5 Super Bowl wins in just seven seasons really blows my mind and the fact he retired after the 5th.
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    Only coach in the Super Bowl-era to 3-peat.

    Maybe Bill can *duplicate that next year?

  21. GOAT coach.

    GOAT QB.

    Any other opinion is garbage and should be ignored or laughed at.

    Period.

    🙂

  22. Sorry. He win in unprecedented fashions, but he also disgraced his franchise. Halas and Lombardi are icons. Bill made his choices. He doesn’t deserve to have his name among them.

  23. grumpysal says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:30 pm
    Asterisks due to spygate.
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    So taping 1 half of football in the 1st game of the year after the memo was sent in 2006 resulted in them winning 3 SB’s BEFORE that was “illegal” (which I use loosely here) and then helped them win 2 more SB’s years later?

    Just want to make sure that I have that straight. Oh, and they lost that 2007 SB, so did they take that day off from cheating or did something else happen?

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    Don’t waste your time. People that want to hate the Pats will never bother to understand the truth of what Spygate was and wasn’t. These fools still think it’s illegal to steal signals and to record your opponent.

  24. wafflestomp says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:28 pm
    amadorcountyca says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:07 pm
    To all you haters – Scoreboard!!! 8 super bowls trips in 16 seasons just blows your mind.
    ——————————————
    Vince Lombardi’s 5 Super Bowl wins in just seven seasons really blows my mind and the fact he retired after the 5th.
    This is why the Lombardi trophy will never be renamed, especially after a coach with a checkered past for cheating the great game of football.
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    Lombardi won exactly 2 superbowls. 6 NFL championships in 9 years, and 2 superbowls in 2 of those years (pre-merger, SB was played after NFL championship).

  25. According to most posters on this site anything won before 1967 doesn’t count…but just for the NFL.

  26. I don’t much care for the Packers but they ARE the GOAT Franchise Not the Pats, check it: Green Bay Founded: 1921 // 5 Super Bowls, 5 NFL championships // 32 playoff appearances // 737 wins // 393 post-merger wins (8th) Suck it Pats HAHA!

  27. In Teddy We Trust says:
    January 30, 2018 at 5:57 pm
    Championships won in the 1920’s by finishing with a better record than the Pottsville Maroons and the Dayton Triangles should not count.
    *****************************

    You might be discounting the teams from the 1920s. Those Maroons were ultra good. I do believe they were known as The Ultra Maroons.

  28. ” All championships count, for those not in denial.”

    Yes they count as the championships of their day.

    But you are the one in denial if you think winning a championship in an 8-12 team league with far simpler rules, semi pro part time players and no cap is the same as winning a Super Bowl in a 32 team league with the cap and all the other regs regarding player contracts and free agency.

    No, they’re not the same. The difficultly level of winning a Super Bowl as opposed to one of those championships is probably on an order of magnitude more difficult.

  29. Don’t waste your time. People that want to hate the Pats will never bother to understand the truth of what Spygate was and wasn’t. These fools still think it’s illegal to steal signals and to record your opponent.

    ****
    Why did goodell fine them?

  30. Paul Brown won 7 championships. It’s not his fault his team was in a different league before it joined the NFL. So, in my book, he still has the record.

  31. johnthorpe says:
    January 30, 2018 at 5:55 pm
    Halas and Lambeau didn’t need to cheat to win. Bill did. That matters.

    they couldn’t cheat if they wanted to. wasn’t electricity still in its infancy in the 1920s? i mean come on. should be talking about super bowls over the last 51 years. not crapola that was won when moses was the sports editor of the chicago staley tribune bugle.

  32. talkingheadsknowall says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:56 pm

    I don’t much care for the Packers but they ARE the GOAT Franchise Not the Pats, check it: Green Bay Founded: 1921 // 5 Super Bowls, 5 NFL championships // 32 playoff appearances // 737 wins // 393 post-merger wins (8th) Suck it Pats HAHA!
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    New England Founded: 1960 // 5 Super Bowls // 25 playoff appearances // 489 wins // 426 post-merger wins (5th)

    Green Bay has 40 years on New England, so that’s not all that impressive. The Patriots are 5-7 in Super Bowls, whereas the Packers are only 4-5.

  33. Pottsville Maroons

    Don’t be hatin’ on the Maroons.

    I live an hour from there. They got screwed out of a rightful championship by the Cardinals and the Cardinals will never, ever win a Super Bowl until that injustice is corrected.

  34. wafflestomp says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:28 pm
    Vince Lombardi’s 5 Super Bowl wins in just seven seasons really blows my mind and the fact he retired after the 5th.
    This is why the Lombardi trophy will never be renamed, especially after a coach with a checkered past for cheating the great game of football.

    really? lombardi won 5 super bowls..ok super bowl 1 was jan of 1967……so he won super bowls b4 they started..gotcha

  35. wib22 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 7:05 pm
    Don’t waste your time. People that want to hate the Pats will never bother to understand the truth of what Spygate was and wasn’t. These fools still think it’s illegal to steal signals and to record your opponent.

    ****
    Why did goodell fine them?

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    Because he wanted to give the impression that he was important

  36. wib22 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 7:05 pm
    Don’t waste your time. People that want to hate the Pats will never bother to understand the truth of what Spygate was and wasn’t. These fools still think it’s illegal to steal signals and to record your opponent.

    ****
    Why did goodell fine them?

    —-
    Stop trying to apply logic to anything #LyinRoger does. He’s an idiot and the sooner he is relieved of his job the better the league will be.

  37. To anyone with a brain or anyone who’s team hasn’t been subdued one too many times by Brady and Belichick and exhibits irrationality because of it:

    They are the greatest of this generation and have the hardware to prove it. If you need to talk yourselves into some other narrative, you can paint your asterisks anywhere you like if it makes you feel better. They don’t mean a thing.

    All the arm folding and foot stomping in the world doesn’t undo what they’ve accomplished, and here they are again.

    Amazing stuff.

  38. Todd Roberts says:
    January 30, 2018 at 5:51 pm
    Like it even matters. Belichick has no peers. Nobody cares about championships from the days of part time players and linebackers under 200 lbs.

    WRONG ,,its history and as much as your sorry ass hates to admit it counts and they have more championships then your cheating team will ever have

  39. wib22 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 7:05 pm
    Don’t waste your time. People that want to hate the Pats will never bother to understand the truth of what Spygate was and wasn’t. These fools still think it’s illegal to steal signals and to record your opponent.

    ****
    Why did goodell fine them?

    He HAD to deal with it…Every NFL team WAS taping each other when Eric Mangini, Belichiks former DC who was Browns coach, decided to make a formal complaint vs Pats when he played them, because he had asked Bill not to, but he did. MANGINI ADMITTED HE WAS WRONG AND EXPRESSED GREAT REGRET FOR THE MISCONCEPTIONS HIS STUNT CREATED ABOUT BELICHIKS COACHING LEGACY as hes been quoted in interviews on both ESPN and FOX.

  40. wozzmann1955 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 7:24 pm
    Todd Roberts says:
    January 30, 2018 at 5:51 pm
    Like it even matters. Belichick has no peers. Nobody cares about championships from the days of part time players and linebackers under 200 lbs.

    WRONG ,,its history and as much as your sorry ass hates to admit it counts and they have more championships then your cheating team will ever have

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    Nobody cares about championships won against the Akron spark plugs when there were eight teams in the league

  41. To those saying championships from yesteryear shouldn’t count… time marches on.

    Those 100 years from now, 150 years from now will look back at things today and think “those poor people, living in the stone ages, how did they do it?”

    Belichick and stats from today will soon become what it is you’re putting down today (stats from the 1920’s etc.).

  42. Not one comment says Belichick is nothing without Brady.

    commentawaitingdeletion says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:00 pm
    This is where the same trolls that say Brady is nothing without Belichick will say Belichick would be nothing without Brady.

  43. The fact that Green Bay only won 2 Super Bowls with Favre and Rodgers is almost as bad as Cheating Don never winning one with Marino.

  44. It sure is nice to see the purples back to there old selves again….

    For the record, the Maroons had three future HOF’s on their roster and the Triangle’s had one.

    Those guys worked normal jobs and then had to travel by bus to play professional football on the weekends. Often playing both offense and defense “Ironman” football.

    Anybody that discounts what they did and how they did it shouldn’t even be allowed to post here. But as already mentioned, when your history only goes back to 1961, then I suppose it’s easy to forget that football existed before your franchise.

    Belicheck has earned his place in history. Just like Halas, Lombardi, Lambeau, Brown, and many other pioneers before him.

    Good for him.

  45. With the salary cap and fee agency he is the only one that could outsmart the system.
    The losers and whiners will call it cheating because there is no one else even close.
    Was Enstien a cheater?

  46. mmack66 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 7:09 pm
    talkingheadsknowall says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:56 pm
    I don’t much care for the Packers but they ARE the GOAT Franchise Not the Pats, check it: Green Bay Founded: 1921 // 5 Super Bowls, 5 NFL championships // 32 playoff appearances // 737 wins // 393 post-merger wins (8th) Suck it Pats HAHA!
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    New England Founded: 1960 // 5 Super Bowls // 25 playoff appearances // 489 wins // 426 post-merger wins (5th)
    Green Bay has 40 years on New England, so that’s not all that impressive. The Patriots are 5-7 in Super Bowls, whereas the Packers are only 4-5.

    Doesn’t matter if it’s 10 years or 40 — THEY OWN MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS and YES, it is more impressive, you see idiot, that’s why it’s called the LAMBEAU TROPHY!!! Get a clue

  47. “Belichick and stats from today will soon become what it is you’re putting down today (stats from the 1920’s etc.).”

    You’re probably correct. If there is even still and NFL 100 years from now the game will likely have morphed to something we barely recognize. And those people likely won’t give a crap about what at that point will be the dusty old trophies the Pats have if they are even still a franchise. That’s how things work most of the time.

    “when your history only goes back to 1961, then I suppose it’s easy to forget that football existed before your franchise.”

    I was born in 1958, am 59 years old and my first recollection of watching football was when I was about 4 years old. Which means I’ve been watching the NFL about 55 years. Of course football existed before I was born as did most other things. Doesn’t make what I have to say any less valid than someone older than me whose been watching longer. BTW how old are you?

    Were you watching the NFL back in 1961 or prior to that, or are you just making smarmy remarks and acting like it?

  48. sportsfan18 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 7:33 pm
    To those saying championships from yesteryear shouldn’t count… time marches on. 100 years from now, will look back at things today and think “those poor people, living in the stone ages, how did they do it?” Belichick and stats from today will soon become what it is you’re putting down today (stats from the 1920’s etc.)
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    Although Belichik is CLEARLY doing a more complex & much more difficult coaching job, than past NFL coaches, and is certainly the best coach in history of pro football, I do agree with your observation re past years nonconsideration. Consider JUST 50 years ago a QB named Otto Grayhem won EIGHT NFL championships! Yet you NEVER hear him even “mentioned among Montana, Elway, Favre… Unites is about as far as is considered. Therefore Brady will likely also be dismissed – in FIFTY years!

  49. What matters to me is what happens this coming Sunday. Because nothing shuts up the haters faster than your team being the most recent to hoist the Lombardi.

    Go Patriots!

  50. I wouldn’t put Belichick ahead of Lombardi or vice versa. They were both amazing. Belichick has shown that he can win a lot of games with very mediocre backup QBs, and with a QB like JimmyG who maybe they should’ve hung onto.

    The important thing to realize is that Rodgers is the best QB, and if he was paired with Belichick instead of McCarthy, that combo would’ve won every Super Bowl 2009-present.

    If you don’t believe, chart the playoff games Brady and Rodgers have played for when the defense gives up 0-5, 6-10, etc. You will see that Rodgers is equal or better in every category, and has only lost once when the defense has given up less than 26 pts.

  51. mmack66 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 7:09 pm
    talkingheadsknowall says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:56 pm

    I don’t much care for the Packers but they ARE the GOAT Franchise Not the Pats, check it: Green Bay Founded: 1921 // 5 Super Bowls, 5 NFL championships // 32 playoff appearances // 737 wins // 393 post-merger wins (8th) Suck it Pats HAHA!
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    New England Founded: 1960 // 5 Super Bowls // 25 playoff appearances // 489 wins // 426 post-merger wins (5th)

    Green Bay has 40 years on New England, so that’s not all that impressive. The Patriots are 5-7 in Super Bowls, whereas the Packers are only 4-5.

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    This is just a mess.

    The pats are 5-4 in superbowls. the Packers are 4-1.

    Lombardi won 5 championships in 7 years. 2 of those were superbowls. the 60’s were the Packers and everyone else. The 2000’s have been the Pats and everyone else.

    Very similar. irregardless of which era it was in, the dominance of both teams is relevant.

    As a Packer fan I appreciate what the Pats have done. Just don’t knock the fact that no team has been as dominant as the 60’s Packers were for 7 years.

  52. Curly Lambeau won titles in 1929-31 by winning exactly ZERO Postseason games!
    3 Titles, ZERO Postseason wins

    Winning multiple titles now is so much harder than in the 20s, 30s
    Or even in the 70s & 80s….BEFORE Free agency, before big money contracts lured talent away from “dynasties “

  53. talkingheadsknowall says:
    January 30, 2018 at 7:44 pm

    Doesn’t matter if it’s 10 years or 40 — THEY OWN MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS and YES, it is more impressive, you see idiot, that’s why it’s called the LAMBEAU TROPHY!!! Get a clue
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    Did you seriously call it the Lambeau trophy? You should quit before you embarrass yourself further.

  54. andrwken says:
    January 30, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    This is just a mess.

    The pats are 5-4 in superbowls. the Packers are 4-1.
    ——————

    That’s what I meant.

  55. I can’t believe you losers are comparing teams from different centuries. Pats fans are so arrogant they have to justify to everyone their team is the greatest.

    The Patriots are certainly the greatest Cheaters of all time. There you guys are the best. I admit it.

    And don’t even bring up the myteamcheats website that is full of lies.

  56. I can’t believe you losers are comparing teams from different centuries. Pats fans are so arrogant they have to justify to everyone their team is the greatest.

    The Patriots are certainly the greatest Cheaters of all time. There

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    Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    January 30, 2018 at 8:22 pm
    I can’t believe you losers are comparing teams from different centuries. Pats fans are so arrogant they have to justify to everyone their team is the greatest.

    The Patriots are certainly the greatest Cheaters of all time. There

    Besides all the winning the best thing about being a Patriots fan is knowing all these CRYBABIES have is crying on the internet!!

  58. I don’t understand why it’s so difficult for some kids to acknowledge what Bellichik and the Pats have accomplished over the last 16 years. Seriously, trying to refute facts with some pretty stupid equivocation only makes you look dumb..not cute…dumb.

    Similarly, I don’t get the kiddies of today need to declare a GOAT in every flippin’ sport…when such a determination is not possible.

    You Pats fans are hell bent that Brady is just that but are too young to know that Brady wouldn’t have been able to play to age 40 in Bradshaw’s and Montana’s era. There WAS a day when QBs and WR’s could be hit.

    Not taking a thing away from the Pats or Bellichik. In this era…make no mistake, they’re a dynasty. Brady is one helluva QB and seems like a good guy, and we find out recently, a good Dad.

    The rest of it is pure, nauseating crap talk by kids…who should probably be doing their homework versus spewing all over the internet.

    Finally, the Packers have won the most NFL championships. Followed by the Bears. Guess what kids, it’s not history’s fault that you weren’t, or your team wasn’t, around to see the competitors who created the NFL.

    Now, it’s past your bed time. Give us a kiss and get to bed.

  59. An NFL Championship and a Super Bowl Championship are two entirely different things and should be recognized separately. A SB title is WAY harder to win. Further more, all titles that were “won” prior to the NFL implementing a playoff system in 1933 shouldn’t even be recognized to say the least. Most true football fans understand the difference. It’s the reason you never hear a fan of the Lions or Browns, for instance, brag about their multiple NFL Championships. Because it really doesn’t matter. Take note, Packers fans.

  60. Vince Lombardi’s 5 Super Bowl wins in just seven seasons really blows my mind and the fact he retired after the 5th.
    This is why the Lombardi trophy will never be renamed, especially after a coach with a checkered past for cheating the great game of football.

    _________________________________________________________

    I think you should do a google search on how many SuperBowls Lombardi won.

    Pre merger Championships aren’t Superbowls. They had half the Competition and only about 4 teams that they were worried about for everyone who says the Pats have it easy. They also had no free agency and no salary cap so if they got a good player they could keep him forever.

    What Belichick is doing is almost miraculous.

  61. weepingjebus says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:24 pm
    Actually, the Packers had their charter revoked and were kicked out of the NFL for using ringers while Lambeau was their coach. He had to buy his way back into the league. But you football historians knew that I’m sure. Tell us all again how having the best record in an 11 team league featuring the mighty Newark Tornadoes that didn’t even have a playoff system is totally the same as winning a SB in the salary cap free agency period.
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    Interesting factoid….

    In their Championship 1920 season, The Pack went 9-1-1 against other independent “professional” teams, opening with a 3-3 tie againts the Chicago Boosters, and only giving up 24 points on the season, recording 7 shutouts. Their only loss was to the Beloit Fairies, 14-7. You can’t make this stuff up.

  62. If you are counting Hala’s APFA Championship, then you have to count Paul Brown’s AAFC Championships (and I am a Bears fan). So the record is:
    Paul Brown – 7 Championships (4 AAFC, 3 NFL)
    George Halas – 6 Championships (1 APFA, 5 NFL)
    Curly Lambeau – 6 Championships (6 NFL)
    Vince Lombardi – 6 Championships (4 NFL, 2 SB)
    Bill Belichick – 5 Championships (5 SB)

    Still, if Bill wins on Sunday, he’ll be in pretty damn good company. Given his age, when he finally retires, they really need to waive his 5 year waiting period for the HOF.

  63. Whats even more impressive is Halas and Lambeau accomplished that WITHOUT bought off refs, phoney tuck rules, professional cameramen filming opposing teams signals and practices, wiretapped locker rooms ect. In other words theirs are legitimate, unlike Bill “Zero Rings without cheating” Belichump.

  64. mmack66 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 8:20 pm
    andrwken says:
    January 30, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    This is just a mess.

    The pats are 5-4 in superbowls. the Packers are 4-1.
    ——————

    That’s what I meant.

    and probably soon to be 6-4 they have gotten to 10 why hasnt green bay gotten to 11?

  65. I think if you asked Belichick, he’d say Paul Brown was the best coach of all time. Certainly the most innovative, always looking for every advantage and maximizing his players’ performance. Bill is the modern incarnation of Brown’s philosophy IMHO.

  66. drrichardrydze says:
    January 30, 2018 at 10:06 pm
    Whats even more impressive is Halas and Lambeau accomplished that WITHOUT bought off refs, phoney tuck rules, professional cameramen filming opposing teams signals and practices, wiretapped locker rooms ect. In other words theirs are legitimate, unlike Bill “Zero Rings without cheating” Belichump.
    ============================
    Seems like a right time to upgrade the tin foil hat with a thicker layer.

  67. “Patriots coach Bill Belichick is already the only head coach in NFL history to win five Super Bowls.”
    Whoa. Let’s back up here. Spygate? Deflategate? Even now, you got ex-Rams still talking about what happened. Belichick was fined a half million. Brady was suspended. Please. Let’s slap an asterisk on the word “win.”

  68. tylawspick6 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 10:20 pm
    lol @ people comparing the pre cap era to the cap era
    absolutely hysterical
    if there was no cap, the pats would never lose

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    I agree… Certainly not now anyway. They bought two giant planes with their pocket change, so I would think they could easily have the best roster if you took away the financial restrictions. Of Course Dallas would be instantly good again also.

  69. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    January 31, 2018 at 9:31 am
    Cheating…..check
    Soft division……check
    QB who cheats……check
    Favoritism from refs…..check

    Yep I would be the GOAT if I did all of these as well.
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    You left off a bunch….. but I’ll just go with OWNING real estate of sooooo many weak minded jealous & envious individuals

  70. Super Bowls and ‘NFL Championships’ are apples and oranges.
    I get a kick out of Green Bay fans still clinging to that ’13 titles’ nonsense.
    Some of the early ones were just popularity contests, with the award given without even playing a game. Back in those days, games were called off because not enough guys could get off work to attend.
    Are we really going to count games played before the invention of electricity?

  71. Belichick is the greatest coach of all time, perhaps even in pro sports history.

    Hi Patriot Hater! 🙂 Did I trigger you? Waaaaah! 😭

  72. Ewhite1065 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 9:29 pm
    Vince Lombardi’s 5 Super Bowl wins in just seven seasons really blows my mind and the fact he retired after the 5th.
    This is why the Lombardi trophy will never be renamed, especially after a coach with a checkered past for cheating the great game of football.

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    I think you should do a google search on how many SuperBowls Lombardi won.

    Pre merger Championships aren’t Superbowls. They had half the Competition and only about 4 teams that they were worried about for everyone who says the Pats have it easy. They also had no free agency and no salary cap so if they got a good player they could keep him forever.

    What Belichick is doing is almost miraculous.

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    Or maybe instead of furthering your Patriot agenda, maybe take the time to consider that with less teams, the talent per team may have been much better, resulting in a better product and an even more competitive league.

    I do appreciate what the pats have done the last 17 years, but they have something the teams your knocking also had, consistency at head coach and QB.

    There is no way to come to any reasonable conclusion about which team is better than the other.

    I’d even go so far as to say the 60’s Packers, 70’s Steelers, 80’s Niners and 90’s Cowboys were probably more talented teams that could beat the 2000’s Patriots.

    So maybe Bill is just better because the competition in the league is watered down now.

  73. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    January 31, 2018 at 9:31 am
    Cheating…..check
    Soft division……check
    QB who cheats……check
    Favoritism from refs…..check

    Yep I would be the GOAT if I did all of these as well.

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    Yes the other owners and NFL have cheated the Pats twice now….and yet the Pats have persevered all the same. Maybe these lackluster teams should look to upgrade their coaches and rosters rather than demand the NFL cripple the Patriots.

    As for the division, unlike the AFC South and North, at least the teams in the AFC East find a way to actually beat the Patriots once in a while. just imagine if the Pats played in the pathetic AFC North!

    And now your excuse is “the refs”….. You guys need to really try harder

  74. How many playoff brackets did those guys have to navigate through, prior to the championship game? 0.

    It’s a different story entirely.

  75. Or maybe instead of furthering your Patriot agenda, maybe take the time to consider that with less teams, the talent per team may have been much better, resulting in a better product and an even more competitive league.
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    No way no how. Today’s athletes are bigger, faster, stronger… and smarter too than those in the old days. And the playbooks are far more complicated too. That’s just the facts. There is no watering down whatsoever.

    Most of the “athletes” back then would even have zero chance to make a modern day practice roster.

  76. January 31, 2018 at 10:15 am
    How many playoff brackets did those guys have to navigate through, prior to the championship game? 0.

    It’s a different story entirely.

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    This.

  77. Whenever he retires, the trophy should be renamed the Lombardi/Belichick
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    lombardi was much less accomplished than belichick but the press liked him, he died at the right time, and the league needed to promote the super bowl (e.g. roman numerals). good coach but much less competitive league with few teams and even fewer able to hoard the star players.

  78. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    January 31, 2018 at 10:25 am
    Or maybe instead of furthering your Patriot agenda, maybe take the time to consider that with less teams, the talent per team may have been much better, resulting in a better product and an even more competitive league.
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    No way no how. Today’s athletes are bigger, faster, stronger… and smarter too than those in the old days. And the playbooks are far more complicated too. That’s just the facts. There is no watering down whatsoever.

    Most of the “athletes” back then would even have zero chance to make a modern day practice roster.

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    What does any of that have to do with the talent pool being watered down like it is now? 32 teams to fill out rosters now is a lot more players that wouldn’t get a sniff in the older layout. Smarter? Based on what? Have you seen some of the wonderlic scores that get drafted?

    I think you give too much credit to the modern day athlete. Do you really think the Pats would have beat the Niners or Cowboys? The cowboys dynasty was only 8 years from when you guys finally won a superbowl.

    That team could have ran you out of the stadium based on the talent on both sides of the ball. Just look at the hall-of-famers that came from those teams. Who do the Pats have besides Brady and Bellichek as HOF caliber. Teddy Bruschi and Troy Brown? Troy Brown probably wouldn’t play for either team.

    Don’t even get me started on the fact that if Brady played when Montana, Aikman, Bradshaw, and Starr played, he would already be crippled and retired. His longevity is to some degree a product of the softening of the game. Go watch some of the hits those guys took.

  79. No way no how. Today’s athletes are bigger, faster, stronger… and smarter too than those in the old days. And the playbooks are far more complicated too. That’s just the facts. There is no watering down whatsoever.

    Most of the “athletes” back then would even have zero chance to make a modern day practice roster.
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    Yesterdays athletes didn’t have hte same advantages; modern medicine, “supplements”, hell, half of them sold insurance in the offseason rather than training as todays guys do.

    I’d love to see Jim Brown run over the pansies in todays game that don’t tackle.

    And Deacon Jones ABUSE “pass blockers” of this day and age.

    If you think those guys wouldn’t be successful, you’re wrong to say the least. You’re not accounting for the desire those guys had, and hte work they would have put in.

  80. What does any of that have to do with the talent pool being watered down like it is now? 32 teams to fill out rosters now is a lot more players that wouldn’t get a sniff in the older layout. Smarter? Based on what? Have you seen some of the wonderlic scores that get drafted?

    I think you give too much credit to the modern day athlete. Do you really think the Pats would have beat the Niners or Cowboys? The cowboys dynasty was only 8 years from when you guys finally won a superbowl.

    That team could have ran you out of the stadium based on the talent on both sides of the ball. Just look at the hall-of-famers that came from those teams. Who do the Pats have besides Brady and Bellichek as HOF caliber. Teddy Bruschi and Troy Brown? Troy Brown probably wouldn’t play for either team.

    Don’t even get me started on the fact that if Brady played when Montana, Aikman, Bradshaw, and Starr played, he would already be crippled and retired. His longevity is to some degree a product of the softening of the game. Go watch some of the hits those guys took.

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    There are sites where you can look at real offensive playbooks from years past.

    Lombardi’s Packers: 45 pages
    Marv Levy’s K-Gun offense: 106 pages
    Greatest Show on Turf Rams: 414 pages
    There’s talk that the modern Patriots playbook exceeds 800 pages.

    Now I know there are exceptions to this pattern but it just goes to show you…the game is in every way, shape and form more complicated today than it was back then. You need intelligence and thinking to learn a complicated playbook and then execute it at lightning speed while the superior athletes of today try to stop you. Today’s offense is a lot more than just “pass deep right” 🙂

    As for who would have beaten who… those are completely mythical imaginary scenarios that we will never see play out nor get a definitive answer to any question we have about how they stack up…so why waste time even thinking about it?

    But it is factual that the game today is faster, tougher and stronger than it was back then. It is factual that the athletes of today have modern training and nutrition techniques that would run circles around those of the past. It is factual that unlike in the past – there is no place in the game today for a sub 200 pound LB or a two way player on offense and defense or a fat slob who would get winded trying to defend against a high school player, or a guy who drinks and smokes like a fiend like you saw back then. I’d hardly call that “better talent” from the past.

    The game is much better today. More top athletes play football today. Hence, there is no watering down.

    As for the rules favoring passing and protecting Brady and any other QB – you are right. But I like to think the smart athletes of today would easily adjust to anything else.

  81. @ LyinRogerMustGo

    I’ll give you the playbook size, but how much of that makes a daily gameplan? I’ve read most teams only utilizing around 100 plays on gameday.

    I also agree no QB today, not just Brady, has to deal with the tee-off type hits that even Favre, Aikman, and Young dealt with in the 90’s. If they hadn’t eased up on hitting the QB in the late 90’s even Favre would not have the longevity records he has.

    I will only consent to lineman being bigger than they used to be, but do you think the modern athlete is faster than a Gale Sayers or Deion? The best 40 times are still held by guys like Mike Mamula, Deion Sanders and Bo Jackson. Those numbers haven’t really changed. No one is running sub 4 second 40’s so that is moot. A lot of linebackers played around 250 (Nitchske, Millen, Norton, Haley). That really hasn’t changed either. Actually Linebackers appear to be bigger 20 years ago then they are now (results of more passing I’d guess).

    So bigger lineman is the reason the old teams couldn’t compete? I will politely agree to disagree on the intelligence part as well. There is no proof whatsoever that Bart Starr was any less intelligent than Brady. Other positions could be argued for days.

  82. 5 Titles in 7 years.
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    zackly makes the point. you could hoard the talent without free agency or a cap and dominate a small league for the longevity of those stars.
    good coach but dwarfed by belichick’s much better record over a much longer period in a much more competitive league.

  83. zackly makes the point. you could hoard the talent without free agency or a cap and dominate a small league for the longevity of those stars.
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    They had an ENTIRE LEAGUE to compete with for talent before they merged with the AFL.

  84. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:11 pm
    I think there should be a trophy for playing in the worse division in football
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    This has been proven statistically incorrect. Pats record outside the AFC East is actually slightly better than against the AFC East and AFC East usually fares better in non-divisional games than the most of the other Divisions.

  85. This has been proven statistically incorrect. Pats record outside the AFC East is actually slightly better than against the AFC East and AFC East usually fares better in non-divisional games than the most of the other Divisions.
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    Think that would stay the same if they took 6 physical beatings a year at the hands of the Steelers, Ravens and Bengals instead the AFC East cupcakes?

  86. I love this notion that the Bengals, Steelers, and Ravens are somehow tougher than the AFC East teams. Based on what exactly? The record would indicate….nothing tangible.

    All there is to go on is the data, and let the record show that it makes no difference who’s playing the Patriots – their opponents tend to lose to them at astronomical rates all across the league. East, West, up, down, sideways….doesn’t matter. The only anomalies to this have been when they’re playing in Denver (that affects just about every team negatively) and playing in Miami, where the Pats have had a relatively tough time. That’s it.

  87. I love this notion that the Bengals, Steelers, and Ravens are somehow tougher than the AFC East teams. Based on what exactly?
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    Nobody will confuse the 2001-present Bills, Dolphins and Jets with being tough. Aside from the brief Rex Ryan window.

    Its a miracle ANYONE survives the Steelers-Ravens-Bengals bloodbaths.

    Perhaps the Pats would still dominate. But I suspect the cost would be too much to withstand most years.

  88. aarons444 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:43 pm

    Vince Lombardi’s 5 Super Bowl wins in just seven seasons really blows my mind and the fact he retired after the 5th.

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    Lombardi won only 2 Super Bowls, nos. 1 & 2, packers have been in a total of 5, winning 4, but I don’t think
    lombardi coached the last 3.

  89. wafflestomp says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:28 pm
    amadorcountyca says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:07 pm
    To all you haters – Scoreboard!!! 8 super bowls trips in 16 seasons just blows your mind.
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    Vince Lombardi’s 5 Super Bowl wins in just seven seasons really blows my mind and the fact he retired after the 5th.
    This is why the Lombardi trophy will never be renamed, especially after a coach with a checkered past for cheating the great game of football

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    Thought you were a packer fan. Lombardi only won 2 SB in 7 seasons. SMH, you lost all credibility will that one. What am I saying, you never had any credibility 😂

  90. aarons444 says:
    January 31, 2018 at 4:00 pm

    Think that would stay the same if they took 6 physical beatings a year at the hands of the Steelers, Ravens and Bengals instead the AFC East cupcakes?
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    Conveniently leaving out the perennial cupcake in their own division. Clever. 😉

    The Pats are:

    10-13 vs Ravens (win pct = .769)
    16-25 vs Bengles (win pct = .640)
    16-31 vs Steelers (win pct = .516)

    Considering all 3 of their AFC East opponents win pct is less than 2 of the 3 teams above I suspect they’d do just fine.

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