Steve Spagnuolo brings back Patriots cheating claim

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With the Patriots in the Super Bowl, all the grievances against them are being aired by old foes.

And former Eagles assistant Steve Spagnuolo has claimed that he believes the Patriots were cheating during Super Bowl XXXIX. Spagnuolo was the linebackers coach for the Eagles at the time, and said the Patriots knew their signals.

He obviously figured out how to prevent in three years later, when he was the defensive coordinator for the Giants and they beat the undefeated Patriots, but he’s still carrying a grudge.

“The biggest thing we learned was make sure you have two signal-callers, not one signal-caller,” Spagnuolo said during an interview with 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia (via Newsday). “Because they may have all your signals.”

While it seems forever ago, that came at a time when Spy was the gate of preference after they were caught stealing signals from the Jets. And Spagnuolo said that after the Super Bowl win over the Eagles, he became convinced they were up to something.

“I remember through the course of the game [defensive coordinator Jim Johnson] saying, ‘They’re getting our signals. They know when we’re blitzing . . . Try to hide it, etc. etc,’ ” Spagnuolo said. “I remember distinctly thinking, ‘Jim I don’t think that’s true.’ Now I’m not saying this to him, because I don’t want to upset him. I’m saying it to myself. ‘I don’t think so, Jim. Just concentrate on calling the game.’ ’’

But the more he thought about it, he decided Johnson was correct.

“In hindsight, he was right,” he said. “When you go back and look at that tape, it was evident to us. . . .

“I’m not crying over spilled milk here, but we believed that Tom knew when we were pressuring, because he certainly got the ball out pretty quick. But, you know, you got to play the game, and they won that particular day.”

Spagnuolo said he was careful to apply the lesson in the future. And as long as the Patriots are in the midst of their incredible run of success, Spagnuolo won’t be the last one to accuse them of doing it in an underhanded way.

155 responses to “Steve Spagnuolo brings back Patriots cheating claim

  1. Since stealing signals is not and never has been illegal in the NFL, maybe Spags should have been more careful about changing up signals and doing his job, instead of expecting the coaches of the other team not to do theirs.

    Its a very cowardly thing Spagnuolo is doing blaming his own failure on this.

    Secondly, to this day Brady has a very quick release. Its not rocket science to see when the big nasty men are charging at you. Its also not rocket science to know that the solution to a great pass rush is a quick release.

    SMH

  2. Does he even think there is a remote chance that during the course of the game they got a feel for how the eagles were calling their plays OR that Brady got nervous and started acting like the blitz might come on every play?

  3. If he watches the tape from this past season, I bet Spagnuolo will claim all the Giants opponents had their signals too.

    Two things stand out from this post thought: 1. Glas Spags isn’t “crying over spilled milk.”
    2. Please, for the love of all that is holy, can we get the description of “spygate” correct? It had NOTHING to do with “stealing signals,” as stealing signals was (and is) 100% legal, and something all teams attempt. Where the Patriots crossed the line in that 2007 game vs the Jets was by filming in an area where they were not supposed to be filming. Sure it might be easier just to dumb it down for the audience, and sure, “stealing signals” has always made for more salacious headlines, so why bother with the facts, right?

  4. When these people come forward about the cheaters it’s true they have been caught in the past and will be caught again as long as the dictator is coaching

  5. You mean to tell me that out of 32 NFL teams, the New England Patriots is the only team to steal signals? I believe teams send their scouts to opponents games and even watch film to pick up certain signals. I’m not going to say cheating is fine but I’m also not going to discredit that dynasty.

  6. Correct! Stealing signals is legal.

    However, recording the signs for later study is highly illegal, in the NFL.

    Only mad because they got caught.
    *****

  7. Look at the boxscore and ask yourself if this is how the game ought to start out for the Patriots if they had all of the defensive signals, going in, after “taping a practice”:

    Patriots first drive: 3 and out
    Patriots second drive: 3 and out
    Patriots third drive: 3 and out
    Patriots fourth drive: 3 and out

    The Patriots offense got rolling, but ONLY IN THE SECOND HALF.

    I’d attribute that second half offensive excellence to making excellent in-game adjustments, specifically by making halftime adjustments.

    It is what the Patriots always do extremely well. Those that don’t do it well at all take the lazy path and yell “cheaters”

  8. What a moron. Seriously.

    “Hi, I am a loser, don’t change my signals when I thin k they may be compromised, my claims simply don’t add up, I lost to the clear, better team, and I can’t accept it because I am a narcissist.”

    “I am also jealous BB/Brady and Ernie Adams have photographic memories”…

  9. really people? It wasn’t they picked up signals during the game or from filming past games. it has been proven they were filming other teams practices and stealing play sheets.this is something that was suspected by multiple teams to the point that many teams leave fake call sheets in their lockers rooms at foxboro because they know the patriots will steal them. Just so happens that the commish destroyed evidence. how convenient! then tried to give the other nfl teams a make up call with deflate gate which no one cared about. I mean, kudos to them because they are allowed to get away with it. They are a great team with great players but because of their cheating I don not consider them or Tom Brady the best of all time.

  10. ….and NOW we know why Spagnola was an abject failure as a HC. He, to this day, never got the concept that stealing signals was LEGAL. He didn’t prepare for the possibility. It’s all in the details, Spags, and you failed your team. Deal with it.

    I guess Pats fans will always have to deal with the lame and weak, during superbowl week. Those like Marshall Faulk, who have to whine and complain about their own failures. The other shame is when the mediots give this specious claims credence by publishing them during this week.

    It’s 18 freaking years of quality play by the Pats and the REASON the rest of the league still lags behind is that they rely on weak excuses to defend their own culpability instead of working harder to do their jobs better.

  11. “The biggest thing we learned was make sure you have two signal-callers, not one signal-caller,” Spagnuolo said during an interview with 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia (via Newsday). “Because they may have all your signals.”

    So they figured out your signals. Whose fault is that? Dolt.

  12. Let’s see, Brandin Cooks bobble, ruled a catch. Jesse James bobble, ruled a non catch. Late game Jets TD, overturned with no evidence even though the ball had been secured. Result, gifted at least 2 games and home field. No need to steal signals anymore with the replay official working for you, although it wouldn’t surprise me if it still happens.

  13. Giggles can’t beat Pats then get bitter. We get it. But if giggles lose again this year, are the fraud giggles going to say they cheat again? Lmao

  14. “but we believed that Tom knew when we were pressuring, because he certainly got the ball out pretty quick”

    hmm..that’s some pretty solid evidence right there…

  15. They are a great team with great players but because of their cheating I don not consider them or Tom Brady the best of all time.
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    Bingo we have a winner!

    Pats fans will not accept the truth

  16. “They kept blitzing…I don’t need signals to know that.” – Tom Brady

    Why people don’t get professional football and refuse to learn, is beyond me.

    The fact actual coaches who have been paid in the NFL also don’t get it, is disturbing.

  17. Here we go. All the sore losers who cannot take it that they got whupped are coming home to roost. Cant be anything the losers did or didnt do. It has t be rthe Pats cheated. Its really the same old song and dance. Steven Tyler prolly wrote that song about the sore losers anyhow.

  18. How did Steve Spagnuolo ever get a shot at being a head coach if he doesn’t understand a simple (yet essential) concept such as Advanced Scouting?

  19. sabi52 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:07 am
    really people? It wasn’t they picked up signals during the game or from filming past games. it has been proven they were filming other teams practices and stealing play sheets.this is something that was suspected by multiple teams to the point that many teams leave fake call sheets in their lockers rooms at foxboro because they know the patriots will steal them. Just so happens that the commish destroyed evidence. how convenient! then tried to give the other nfl teams a make up call with deflate gate which no one cared about. I mean, kudos to them because they are allowed to get away with it. They are a great team with great players but because of their cheating I don not consider them or Tom Brady the best of all time.

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    Actually, that has not been proven at all. But, if you little Millennials didn’t have 5th place trophies piling up in your closets as children and teenagers, you’d know that if someone gives you something on a platter, in a comepetitive situation, you use it.

    That’s in no way shape or form, “cheating”.

    That’s part of sports.

    I weep for our country’s futuee, because entitled losers like Spagnuolo or whoever else arrogantly assumes they are superior to an opponent they are not superior to, have kids called Millennials, who are currently destroying the country with these bad traits.

  20. Funny how people telling stories about camera-gate and calling the Patriots cheaters don’t seem to understand the rules, what the Patriots were accused of, and what is a total fabrication that keeps getting repeated (filming practices of other teams – never happened). What is fact? 5 Super Bowls while owners like Jerry Jones and Mara were goading Goodell to suspend the NE QB for 4 games. What did it get them? Another Patriots Superbowl.

  21. hukdeep says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:02 am

    However, recording the signs for later study is highly illegal, in the NFL.
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    No it isn’t, it’s called film study.

  22. Absolutely pathetic. No respect for this guy.

    Face it, pal, your defense just wasn’t good enough and that starts with the coaching.

    The only reason the Eagles were in that game at all was Terrell Owens carrying them on his back for most of the game. Still one of the greatest SB performances I’ve ever seen. The rest of the team? Well, they lost the game.

  23. .
    SITUATION WANTED
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    Unemployed architect of 2-14 NYG defense seeks to remain relevant by tearing down others accomplishments. Contact S. Spagnuolo who presently has no job but yet stands in judgment of those playing in the Super Bowl.
    .

  24. agreed Spags was a bad head coach, but he is a great d coordinator. He is not stating evidence or can’t say more because if he does he will never work in the NFL again. You can’t come out and say, “They cheated this way and that and the reason there is no hard evidence is because the NFL covered it up because they realized if the public thought there was cheating in the NFL their brand would be tarnished.” guess they didn’t realize that covering it up would tarnish it more… along with many other things foul ups the NFL commits

  25. The Patriots didn’t play the Eagles in the 2004 regular season. So how would they have their signals?

    The reason Brady knew when they were going to pressure him is because he’s just good at both reading defenses pre-snap and reacting to them post-snap.

  26. sabi52 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:07 am
    “it has been proven they were filming other teams practices and stealing play sheets.”
    _________________________________

    Wow, it amazes me how ignorant people can be. You really should take the time to learn the facts instead of posting irresponsible comments like this. But I know, you are a Pats hater and this is much easier to swallow than admitting they prepare harder and outsmart your team.

  27. sb44champs says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:21 am
    Cry Baby.
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    Not really… Spags got the last laugh in Super Bowl 42

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    Actually, the Pats are getting the last laugh after forming a dynasty in the cap era, and tryin to form yet another.

    You people are bizarre. The Pats have basically blown up the NFL as we know it. It’s epic beyond belief and somehow this little piddly dork who can thank unemployed David Tyree, is some kind of a special hero.

    LMAO

    LOSERS

    HInt: IF NE had signals compromised, they adjust and change them.

  28. thedoctlc says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:17 am
    How did Steve Spagnuolo ever get a shot at being a head coach if he doesn’t understand a simple (yet essential) concept such as Advanced Scouting?

    3 0 Rate This

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    Great question. How do such loser even get into the NFL in the first place?

    I wouldn’t hire someone like this if I was given a million dollars to do so.

  29. “they knew when we were blitzing”- pretty funny, every game I watched that Tony Romo covered he repeatedly called out blitzes before they happened, but I guess Brady can’t do the same thing? Pretty standard QB practice.

  30. I agree with Patriots fans that millennials are destroying this society. Those losers go shopping at Wal-Mart and take up the whole aisle you’re trying to shop on and watching their stupid Disney Channel shows on demand on their phones, among other things.

  31. hukdeep says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:02 am
    Correct! Stealing signals is legal.

    However, recording the signs for later study is highly illegal, in the NFL.

    Only mad because they got caught.

    Incorrect. Recording signals for use DURING the game is illegal. BTW there’s only legal and illegal. There’s no HIGHLY illegal.That one phrase, that you’d know and understand had you bothered to do your homework, is what Spygate is all about. That’s the way the rule was written, that’s what Belichick based his actions upon but as we all know, the league office is adept at moving goal posts after the ball has been snapped.

  32. beerbaron says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:25 am
    The Patriots didn’t play the Eagles in the 2004 regular season. So how would they have their signals?

    The reason Brady knew when they were going to pressure him is because he’s just good at both reading defenses pre-snap and reacting to them post-snap.

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    They played em in the preaseason and won 24-6, but it’s preseason so that means you keep the same signals in the preaeason as you would in a Super Bowl? LOL!

    Seriously, these people who act clinically insane regarding the Pats, have serious mental issues.

    I love it! Pats are in everyone’s heads and have been for years.

    If the Pats win, this is why trolls deserve all the flak they get.

    Time to take your medicine, trolls. Come get some. Come get a slap.

  33. of course they know your signals if you don’t change. that’s part of what all good coaches do, but only part. he’s also beating your stinking team on conditioning, scheme, drafting, free agency, discipline, in game adjustment, decision making under pressure, and that’s just a start.

  34. rolf1015 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:26 am
    sabi52 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:07 am
    “it has been proven they were filming other teams practices and stealing play sheets.”
    _________________________________

    Wow, it amazes me how ignorant people can be. You really should take the time to learn the facts instead of posting irresponsible comments like this. But I know, you are a Pats hater and this is much easier to swallow than admitting they prepare harder and outsmart your team.

    _____________________________
    I follow facts. You are blinded by your Pats love. I get it. I am no Pats hater actually. You want to feel your team is the best of all time and I don’t blame you. I would too. The fact is why can’t you admit that it was brilliant by Bellichick to do this. I am a coach and pushing the limit is part of coaching. Any advantage you can get is taken. I respect the Pats but I call em like I see em. They cheated and go t away with it for years.

  35. Brady certainly can’t or couldn’t at the time read pre snap defenses like Peyton. So I see why many would be suspicious. Personally I don’t care. We are going to win #6, Brady will be in Canton, and he will go down as the best ever system QB.

  36. Spags was an iconic name in Central Mass. Anyone who grew up here knows what I mean. This is not that Spags. This Spags is giving Central Mass a bad name. We don’t abide whiny football coaches or players.

  37. truthprofessor says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:02 am
    Look at the boxscore and ask yourself if this is how the game ought to start out for the Patriots if they had all of the defensive signals, going in, after “taping a practice”:

    Patriots first drive: 3 and out
    Patriots second drive: 3 and out
    Patriots third drive: 3 and out
    Patriots fourth drive: 3 and out

    The Patriots offense got rolling, but ONLY IN THE SECOND HALF.
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    Exactly. If they had their signals, why would the Pats wait until the second half to use them?

    I am amazed at the level of stupidity out there because of the hate and jealousy.

    Still waiting for a hater to give me a reason why the refs/NFL want the Pats to win. All I hear is that they get all the calls, but never a reason as to why except that Goodelll and Kraft are friends….

  38. Not really… Spags got the last laugh in Super Bowl 42
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    No, he really is a cry baby. If a team shows on film that they blitz 60% of the time, don’t you think a team that studies film is going to realize that and make adjustments? Plus, if you’re dumb enough to NOT have fake calls knowing that someone is watching you, that’s on you. I mean really, if you hold up a sign that has a cow on it and your D blitzes every time that’s done, is that signal stealing or just being aware?

  39. Ask Steve if he thinks the Patriots drugged McNab and Reid, making one throw up on the field and the other milk the clock when he was two scores down late in the fourth quarter.

    The NFL’s Do Your Job II has Giants players admitting they had Patriots signals that they said they ‘decoded” in January 2008 when they knocked off the then undefeated Patriots. I have never heard a Patriots player, coach, or someone from ownership complain about the blatant Giants holding on the Helmet catch. They understood the refs were letting them play.

  40. “However, recording the signs for later study is highly illegal, in the NFL.”

    Actually its not and never was. Other teams were recording signals before Belichick ever did it and it still goes on to this day.

    If you look up the actual facts of spygate, the Pats were penalized for having the camera about 30′ out of position for 1/2 of the first game of the 2007 season, after the NFL issued a memo stating the cameras could no longer be on the sideline. And it was a murky memo worded to say “to record video for use in the same game”.

    If it was illegal to record signals why did the NFL issue a memo saying where it was legal to record from?

    And for anyone who thinks it gave any advantage to recording from 30′ farther away, you must believe the zoom lens was invented in 2008.

    SMH

  41. Why people don’t get professional football and refuse to learn, is beyond me.
    The fact actual coaches who have been paid in the NFL also don’t get it, is disturbing.
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    Whatever fits your agenda. Lmao

  42. “The Patriots didn’t play the Eagles in the 2004 regular season. So how would they have their signals?”

    I can’t remember whether it was the Eagles or Panthers, but one of those teams the Pats had last played 3 years before and had undergone a complete change of coaching staff from head coach down.

    Only a Pats hater would think a new and different coaching staff would use the same signals as the previous one.

    Lolz

  43. The fact actual coaches who have been paid in the NFL also don’t get it, is disturbing
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    Yeah you know way more than the average NFL coach lol. Smh

  44. tigerlilac says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:40 am
    Ask Steve if he thinks the Patriots drugged McNab and Reid, making one throw up on the field and the other milk the clock when he was two scores down late in the fourth quarter.

    The NFL’s Do Your Job II has Giants players admitting they had Patriots signals that they said they ‘decoded” in January 2008 when they knocked off the then undefeated Patriots. I have never heard a Patriots player, coach, or someone from ownership complain about the blatant Giants holding on the Helmet catch. They understood the refs were letting them play.

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    3 Pats DL players were held on the Tyree catch, with Adalius Thomas probably being the worst. Seymour’s shoulder pad was all but jerked off his body.

    Unreal.

    The cheating by Goodell goes back years.

  45. The Pats have only been caught twice in the past ten years, always cheating sends a message to the entire organization that anything to win is expected and, besides, a couple of million in fines and the loss of 3 draft picks is a cheap price to pay for all those rings.

  46. All I hear is that they get all the calls, but never a reason as to why except that Goodelll and Kraft are friends….
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    Its not a secret the refs love them some Brady. One even went out his way to congratulate Brady after last week’s win. They have a man-crush on Brady

  47. Maybe they lost because of horrendous clock management and the fact that their QB was literally throwing up while in the huddle…

  48. Last week’s Inside the NFL was great. Brandon Marshall had a meltdown over the the players, coaches, and owners across the NFL letting the Patriots dominate them for so long.

    To Marshall’s credit he did not blame the refs and pointed out how the Patriots execute, using Amendola’s first touchdown against the Jags as an example. Marshall credited the Patriots while Ray Lewis cast aspersions on the Jags defense.

    Phil Simms shut down any talk of favoritism by the NFL or the refs to the Pats, stating bluntly that they work harder and smarter.

  49. sabi52 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:32 am
    rolf1015 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:26 am
    sabi52 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:07 am
    “it has been proven they were filming other teams practices and stealing play sheets.”
    _________________________________

    Wow, it amazes me how ignorant people can be. You really should take the time to learn the facts instead of posting irresponsible comments like this. But I know, you are a Pats hater and this is much easier to swallow than admitting they prepare harder and outsmart your team.

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    I follow facts. You are blinded by your Pats love. I get it. I am no Pats hater actually. You want to feel your team is the best of all time and I don’t blame you. I would too. The fact is why can’t you admit that it was brilliant by Bellichick to do this. I am a coach and pushing the limit is part of coaching. Any advantage you can get is taken. I respect the Pats but I call em like I see em. They cheated and go t away with it for years.

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    Umm, no they didn’t. They were framed twice by a commissioner because some owners wanted it done.

    Don’t force me to post that Bill Cowher interview, or any other former coaches’ comments (without an agenda), who back BB.

    The Pats have been cheated and framed because they’re just that much better than everyone else, which has been proven ad nauseum for over 15 years.

    It doesn’t mean they win every game, but hard work and diligence are considered strong traits in our society, at least it used to be.

  50. Pats DYNASTIES say hi
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    Titles are watered down by the cheating. It goes down in history as fact.

  51. thedoctlc says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:17 am
    How did Steve Spagnuolo ever get a shot at being a head coach if he doesn’t understand a simple (yet essential) concept such as Advanced Scouting?

    21 1 Rate This

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    Great question. When he and Coughlin send Tyree his annual check, maybe they can all sit down ask one another how they all become so overrated.

  52. sabi52 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:32 am
    rolf1015 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:26 am
    sabi52 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:07 am
    “it has been proven they were filming other teams practices and stealing play sheets.”
    _________________________________

    Wow, it amazes me how ignorant people can be. You really should take the time to learn the facts instead of posting irresponsible comments like this. But I know, you are a Pats hater and this is much easier to swallow than admitting they prepare harder and outsmart your team.

    _____________________________
    I follow facts. You are blinded by your Pats love. I get it. I am no Pats hater actually. You want to feel your team is the best of all time and I don’t blame you. I would too. The fact is why can’t you admit that it was brilliant by Bellichick to do this. I am a coach and pushing the limit is part of coaching. Any advantage you can get is taken. I respect the Pats but I call em like I see em. They cheated and go t away with it for years.

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    If you are actually a “coach” and influencing young minds I feel for those poor kids…

  53. Could it be that you need to expand your defensive setups beyond what you have? It isn’t too hard to figure out easy rotations as you were presenting at the time.

  54. “One even went out his way to congratulate Brady after last week’s win.”

    Um, the refs congratulate the winners of most games, especially playoffs and the Super Bowl.

    They also frequently give a hand up to players of all teams, especially QBs.

    The tunnel vision you people have is amazing.

  55. I hope Tom Brady gets knee capped Nancy Kerrigan style. “The league doesnt have a rule aainst it so its okay” …right Cheater fans?

  56. “recording the signs for later study is highly illegal, in the NFL.”

    It is not now, and never has been, illegal to record signs in the NFL, and the Patriots were not punished for recording signals. The Patriots error was to do so from a camera that was not in a location that was enclosed on all sides, which clearly violated one possible interpretation of the NFL’s memo on recording guidelines.

  57. sb44champs says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:37 am

    Again….Spags got the last laugh in Super Bowl 42
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    Then why is he crying about it now? Besides, it sounds like the Patriots did him a favor in showing him the error of their ways.

  58. This from the coach who instructed his players to fake injuries. You got beat. May be if your QB was not throwing up on the field you might have won.

  59. Interesting how no one ever talks about how Aaron Rodgers admitted to cheating by playing with over-inflated footballs and said that everyone did it. Is it because Aaron Rodgers has won next to nothing and Brady is going to his 8th Super Bowl? People love to tear down the winners

  60. Remember when Miami said they watch VHS copies of games and learned Brady cadence??? Yeah, you don’t hear the Patriots bitching about how that was cheating. Smart teams learn tendencies and exploit them. Just like Denver keying off then Patriot center Stork and getting a massive jump on the oline resulting in a huge amount of hits on Brady (a game Brady almost won them in the last seconds).

  61. I love all these people coming out of the woodwork crying about cheating. Good grief get a life!

    This stuff fuels the Patriots and makes them work harder than anyone else.

    If Gronk is playing this game wont be close at all.

  62. rolf1015 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:26 am
    sabi52 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:07 am
    “it has been proven they were filming other teams practices and stealing play sheets.”
    _________________________________

    Wow, it amazes me how ignorant people can be. You really should take the time to learn the facts instead of posting irresponsible comments like this. But I know, you are a Pats hater and this is much easier to swallow than admitting they prepare harder and outsmart your team.

    _____________________________
    I follow facts. You are blinded by your Pats love. I get it. I am no Pats hater actually. You want to feel your team is the best of all time and I don’t blame you. I would too. The fact is why can’t you admit that it was brilliant by Bellichick to do this. I am a coach and pushing the limit is part of coaching. Any advantage you can get is taken. I respect the Pats but I call em like I see em. They cheated and go t away with it for years.
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    So if you truly “follow facts”, it should be easy for you to cite your source for the above. And I don’t mean someone speculating that this might have happened. I mean something real and tangible, as you said it was “proven”. If you did your homework, you would know that the only “fact” in all of this is that they filmed in-game coaching signals from an unauthorized location (aka Spygate) which they admitted, and were punished excessively. Nothing else has been proven or admitted, only speculation from the many like you who want to see this team fail.

  63. nhpats says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:03 am
    Maybe Steve should consider the idea that his starting QB was puking in the huddle had something to do with the Eagles’ loss
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    It would be weird for a defensive coach to think his unit’s play was being influenced by a member of the offense getting sick in a huddle during the last two minutes of the game.

  64. sabi52 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:07 am
    really people? It wasn’t they picked up signals during the game or from filming past games. it has been proven they were filming other teams practices and stealing play sheets.this is something that was suspected by multiple teams to the point that many teams leave fake call sheets in their lockers rooms at foxboro because they know the patriots will steal them.
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    Curious how proven and suspected are int he same breath. The former is anything but true. The latter is riddled by players still butt hurt over losing to the Pats time and time again.

  65. Michael Philliphs says:
    January 30, 2018 at 12:41 pm

    Interesting how no one ever talks about how Aaron Rodgers admitted to cheating by playing with over-inflated footballs and said that everyone did it. Is it because Aaron Rodgers has won next to nothing and Brady is going to his 8th Super Bowl? People love to tear down the winners
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    It came up, but the NFL said they didn’t want to overreact. Of course, that was in the middle of the largest overreaction in the history of organized sports.

    The Jets were actually caught filming and tampering with footballs, but since they haven’t won anything since before the Eagle touched down at Tranquility Base, and the fact that the majority of the league office is made up of former Jets employees, no one cares.

  66. steelercrazy says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:12 am
    Let’s see, Brandin Cooks bobble, ruled a catch. Jesse James bobble, ruled a non catch. Late game Jets TD, overturned with no evidence even though the ball had been secured. Result, gifted at least 2 games and home field. No need to steal signals anymore with the replay official working for you, although it wouldn’t surprise me if it still happens.
    ========================
    And yet ASJenkins (the Jets TE btw) had another TD “catch” over turned when the Pats weren’t even involved. Must be the Pats had surplus money from paying off the refs they decided to influence other games as well. 😉

  67. Again….Spags got the last laugh in Super Bowl 42
    ___________________________________________________________________________________

    Really? Spags is currently unemployed coming off a pathetic season with the Giants. He is also a failure as a head coach. The Pats are going for their 6th SB, second in a row, and 3rd in 4 years. TB and BB are universally regarded as the respective GOATs. Who really is getting the last laugh?

  68. hukdeep says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:02 am
    Correct! Stealing signals is legal.

    However, recording the signs for later study is highly illegal, in the NFL.

    Only mad because they got caught.
    *****
    ==================================
    Wrong. Filming them in the wrong location is illegal. Almost 20 years later and haters still can’t get it right. No wonder the ade is so strong.

  69. sabi52 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:24 am
    agreed Spags was a bad head coach, but he is a great d coordinator. He is not stating evidence or can’t say more because if he does he will never work in the NFL again. You can’t come out and say, “They cheated this way and that and the reason there is no hard evidence is because the NFL covered it up because they realized if the public thought there was cheating in the NFL their brand would be tarnished.” guess they didn’t realize that covering it up would tarnish it more… along with many other things foul ups the NFL commits
    ======================
    After Deflatesham they should have stayed the course and continued the “cover ups”.

  70. sabi52 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:32 am
    I follow facts. You are blinded by your Pats love. I get it. I am no Pats hater actually. You want to feel your team is the best of all time and I don’t blame you. I would too. The fact is why can’t you admit that it was brilliant by Bellichick to do this. I am a coach and pushing the limit is part of coaching. Any advantage you can get is taken. I respect the Pats but I call em like I see em. They cheated and go t away with it for years.
    =================
    There’s no blind Pats love in saying you are wholly incorrect in saying it is a proven fact play sheets were stolen. You’re just plain wrong. Call it like you see it all you want. Just be prepared to be called out for the stuff that’s wrong.

  71. Everyone is coming out for their shots. The Pats beat the Rams and the steelers and the Colts and the Eagles, etc, etc. Pats must have cheated, because they can’t accept they got out worked, out prepared, out coached and out played by a team they felt was inferior. Cowards! Wanna know how Spagnulo’s D beat the Pats in 2007? Every time Brady set the protection, Spagnulo changed the defensive call and shifted the rush to the Pats OL vulnerability. They had broken down the Pats protection calls. Someone ask Spags how that’s any different.

  72. sb44champs says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:37 am
    Again….Spags got the last laugh in Super Bowl 42
    ======================
    How about a few weeks prior?

  73. How does Steve think they were cheating? Taping a previous game between the two teams?

    Well let’s see:

    Pats Beat Eagles in 2004 SB 24-21

    previous games between them during Belichick Era

    2004 last game of preseason – Patriots won 24-6
    2003 regular season – Patriots won 31-10
    2003 preseason – Patriots won 24-12
    2002 preseason – Patriots won 16-15

    the argument would need to be that the Patriots won the Super Bowl because the Patriots illegally taped signals from 3 preseason games and one regular season thrashing of the Eagles over a year earlier……which of course would have to assume that the Eagles didn’t change their signals?

    Pretty solid argument there

  74. sb44champs says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:50 am
    All I hear is that they get all the calls, but never a reason as to why except that Goodelll and Kraft are friends….
    =============================================
    Its not a secret the refs love them some Brady. One even went out his way to congratulate Brady after last week’s win. They have a man-crush on Brady
    ==================
    Was it the same one that shook hands with Bortles before the game?

  75. 80% of Pats fans on this website don’t know what Spags is talking about because they weren’t watching football yet.

    ——

    80% of Patriot haters posting on Patriots articles are fans of teams the Patriots have beaten in the biggest of games.

  76. While we’re at it, Let’s take a look at the 2003 SB win over the Panthers 32-29

    Games between the 2 teams during Belichick Era:

    2002 Preseason Patriots won 23-3
    2001 Regular season Patriots won 38-6
    2001 preseason Patriots won 23-8
    2000 preseason Patriots won 29-21

    so, from which of those games do you think the Patriots got illegally taped signals that helped them win the SB? be careful……after that 38-6 beatdown by the Patriots in 2001, the Panthers fired their head coach.

    Which leaves 2 arguments:
    1. Panthers used the same signals from a preseason game (the previous year) in the SB, or
    2. Panthers used the same signals as the previous coaching staff did, regardless of getting totally trashed on the field

  77. lukedunphysscienceproject says:
    January 30, 2018 at 10:53 am
    Not only do I have no problem with the Patriots doing this, I wonder why more teams don’t do it. And I am no Patriots fan.
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    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/cowher-downplays-patriots-spygate-says-everyone-tried-to-steal-signals/1oa54v2cpsnwx11ugttnkmfx2s

    https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboysheadlines/2015/09/11/troy-aikman-jimmy-johnson-filmed-signals-head-coach-dallas-cowboys

  78. Bye Bye trolls, Goodell and cheaters:

    2010:
    Bill Cowher: “You know, let me just say this: To answer your question, no, I don’t think so (it’s not an advantage for one team over another).
    I just know as a head coach, you are always looking for a competitive edge. We had people out there trying to look at signals. We had guys go to games. They would tape the signal caller and also write it down. They would take it back and match up the signals with the game film and certain defenses with certain plays that were being called, particularly the defenses being called, to see if we could come up with some kind of an alert for a signal. So, what they did with videotaping the signal caller, people do it with the people in the stands!!
    These people sitting there in the stands, looking at the signal, writing it down and matching up the 1st and 10 signal. Ok? Then you go back again and the 2nd and 10 and here’s the signal. You do that for a whole game.
    You then go back and match up the defenses with the signal. And you can come up with what the signal was.
    So, you don;’t need a video tape with what they were talking about doing. And people were doing it. WE were doing that. Everybody does that. You’re TRYING to gain a competitive edge. There is nothing wrong with that.
    That’s why baseball players go through the mirage of signals. They’ve got all these different codes. That’s part of the competitive spirit of the game. I think it’s totally overblown. I think if you get caught (signals compromised), then do what we did and go to wristbands, you are worried about it. We started putting defenses on wristbands. Then you find a way to not get caught (signals compromised). When your good at something and people try steal from ya, I think it’s flattering.”

  79. NFL: You cheated. Your coach is fined a half million dollars. Your team loses a draft pick.

    Patriots’ fans: (hands over eyes and ears)

  80. mikespillane337 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 1:09 pm

    Charlie weiss to Tom Brady….Tommy we are going to shotgun and spreading out so you can see where the blitz is coming from..NFL films even got it on video??
    ——————

    Got what on video? Don’t teams routinely do that? I hear announcers talk about it all of the time.

    I think what most of you bozos think of as cheating, is just stuff that well-coached and well-prepared teams do. Judging from the comments, the Patriots are the only team that is both.

  81. Tom Brady is the best QB of all time the same way Lance Armstrong is the best cyclist of all time and Bonds, Macgwuire and Sosa are home run kings.

  82. I can’t believe so many people defend NE for this. It was cheating as plain and simple as you could get. They lost a first round pick and the Patriots were fined (Coach $500k and NE $250k). The commissioner destroyed the tapes after 10 days because God knows if people actually seen those tapes the scandal would have been even more upsetting. Cheating! Stop justifying it or making excuses for it. This should be unacceptable in all our sports. Lets have a little integrity in our sports. That being said I still think Brady is a great QB if not the greatest. In my mind they would have won several anyways. The first 3 they have to me will always have a question on it.

  83. Seriously? You are going to quote preseason games as evidence of anything? Nobody cares about preseason games.

    ———————————————–
    345snarkavenue says:

    January 30, 2018 at 1:17 pm

    How does Steve think they were cheating? Taping a previous game between the two teams?

    Well let’s see:

    Pats Beat Eagles in 2004 SB 24-21

    previous games between them during Belichick Era

    2004 last game of preseason – Patriots won 24-6
    2003 regular season – Patriots won 31-10
    2003 preseason – Patriots won 24-12
    2002 preseason – Patriots won 16-15

    the argument would need to be that the Patriots won the Super Bowl because the Patriots illegally taped signals from 3 preseason games and one regular season thrashing of the Eagles over a year earlier……which of course would have to assume that the Eagles didn’t change their signals?

    Pretty solid argument there

  84. mmack66 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 1:32 pm
    mikespillane337 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 1:09 pm

    Got what on video? Don’t teams routinely do that? I hear announcers talk about it all of the time.

    —-

    I think that guy is a Patriots fan, saying that Charlie Weiss told Brady that they were going to go to the shotgun so that BRADY could see where the blitz was coming from, as opposed to Charlie telling Brady where it was coming from because they knew what the signal meant.

  85. Christopher says:
    January 30, 2018 at 2:06 pm
    Seriously? You are going to quote preseason games as evidence of anything? Nobody cares about preseason games.

    ——

    that’s part of my point (did you read my entire comment?). to claim Patriots were taping previous games between the teams and used those to beat the the Eagles in the SB, the possible games would have been 3 preseason games or a beatdown in the previous year. It just ins’t logical in any way.

    Yet people will continue to make those claims where logic defies the claim in the first.

  86. When asked on 60 minutes…”did you cheat?”

    Bellichick: “I told the truth”

    When asked “are you a cheater?”

    Brady: “I don’t believe so”

    I’ll take “things cheaters say for $100 Alex”

    Hint: correct answer is “no”

  87. Haters are so blinded by jealousy, they just keep repeating the same falsehoods over and over as if that will make them true. Taping walkthroughs and practices, tapes destroyed before they were seen, balls were proven to be deflated, the Tuck play was a fumble, vast referee conspiracies to help the Pats. I have to think they’re just doing it purposely to get under the skins of Pats fans, because I refuse to believe there could be this much stupidity in the world. Too funny.

  88. Christopher says:
    January 30, 2018 at 2:03 pm

    In my mind they would have won several anyways. The first 3 they have to me will always have a question on it.
    ____________________________________

    So in your mind, filming in-game coaching signals from an “unauthorized location” is a reason to question their first 3 Super Bowl victories? And if they had instead filmed from an authorized location in the stadium, they would not have been able to win these 3 games? Seriously?

  89. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 2:23 pm

    Brady is not the best QB of all time. Not even the best QB all time in the AFC EAST.
    ———————-

    You should change your name to Mr. Wrong 212.

  90. I love it when people say that no one ever saw what was on the tapes, but what was on them was so bad, Goodell had no choice but to destroy them.

    Fast forward to 2017, when it is well known that Goodell is a compulsive liar, and not above perpetrating fraud, and you have to wonder.

    It’s more probable than not that Goodell just destroyed some tapes that had nothing damaging on them at all, and just wanted to make a production out of it.

  91. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 2:23 pm

    Brady is not the best QB of all time. Not even the best QB all time in the AFC EAST.
    ———————-

    Well, who is it then?

  92. thedoctlc says:

    How did Steve Spagnuolo ever get a shot at being a head coach if he doesn’t understand a simple (yet essential) concept such as Advanced Scouting?

    Except when that scouting is done via illegal filming or spying on opponents’ practice sessions. Wicked cheaters, those Chowderheads.

  93. Was it the same one that shook hands with Bortles before the game?
    ===========================================
    Keep on deflecting the issue…its what the Pats fans are best at

  94. sb44champs says:
    January 30, 2018 at 3:15 pm

    Was it the same one that shook hands with Bortles before the game?
    ===========================================
    Keep on deflecting the issue…its what the Pats fans are best at
    ————————-

    It seems to me that the bozos that constantly disregard the fact that the referees congratulated both teams and both quarterbacks are the ones deflecting.

  95. ahummler72 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 3:22 pm

    Pats are cheaters. Case closed. Fact!
    _____________________________

    You claim the case is closed because the facts don’t support your argument. I’m guessing you don’t know them anyway.

    Nah, the facts are not on your side.

  96. If I were a coach, I would want all of my opponents think that my team could cheat and get away with it and that the referees would help me at every opportunity. How demoralizing for my opponents to think that they could play their best, better than my team, and still lose most of the time. As for my own team, please please keep calling them cheaters. Talk about motivation; they’ll just play harder, and sure as hell won’t quit.

    Of all the people who could arguably claim to have some inside knowledge, you’d think at least one of them would try to cash in and be proclaimed a hero in so many cities throughout the land. If only one of them would write a tell-all book – they’d make millions – something beside my team’s success to forever plant those seeds of doubt in my opponents’ minds that they will already lose before they even get on the field. Oh well…..

  97. because God knows if people actually seen those tapes the scandal would have been even more upsetting

    How exactly?

  98. I wonder if Steve is aware of the recent interview with Jeff Blake, the Eagle’s back-up QB in SB 31, when said that they’d take some air out of all the footballs, right on the sideline, just before the start every game? I believe that’s against the rules, isn’t it? Now, which team was the cheater?

  99. rolf1015 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 4:07 pm
    ahummler72 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 3:22 pm

    Pats are cheaters. Case closed. Fact!
    _____________________________

    You claim the case is closed because the facts don’t support your argument. I’m guessing you don’t know them anyway.

    Nah, the facts are not on your side.
    ***************************************
    Didn’t they lose draft picks not once but twice??
    DIdn’t Brady destroy his phone?
    Didn’t he get suspended?
    DIdn’t Belicheat pay the largest fine possible?
    Are these not facts?

  100. wib22 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:26 pm
    cheating, tainted franchise, delusional fanbase
    —————————————————

    I think you are being a little harsh on the Eagles and their fan base.

  101. Emanuel Ravelli says:
    January 30, 2018 at 3:08 pm

    thedoctlc says:

    How did Steve Spagnuolo ever get a shot at being a head coach if he doesn’t understand a simple (yet essential) concept such as Advanced Scouting?

    Except when that scouting is done via illegal filming or spying on opponents’ practice sessions. Wicked cheaters, those Chowderheads.

    ===========================================================================================================

    Except the Patriots NEVER filmed an opponent’s practice, filming was/is NEVER illegal (only the location it was done from) and there was NEVER any “spying”. All recording was performed by a uniformed member of the Patriots’ staff in plain view of tens of thousands of people.

  102. ahummler72 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 10:22 pm
    ***************************************
    Didn’t they lose draft picks not once but twice??
    DIdn’t Brady destroy his phone?
    Didn’t he get suspended?
    DIdn’t Belicheat pay the largest fine possible?
    Are these not facts?
    _____________________________
    So that’s the best you can do? Focusing on the punishment shows that you really don’t know the “facts” as to what happened prior. It will probably be surprising to you as it was for Goodell, to learn that PSI drops in cold weather games. Now that is a “fact”.

  103. sb44champs says:
    January 30, 2018 at 3:15 pm
    Was it the same one that shook hands with Bortles before the game?
    ===========================================
    Keep on deflecting the issue…its what the Pats fans are best at
    =======================
    Oh the irony. LOL

    So is that a Yes?

  104. goawayeverybody says:
    January 30, 2018 at 6:21 pm
    Patriots fans are the only people in the world that believe stealing signals is legal in the NFL. And they all live inside a big echo chamber.
    =========================
    Unfortunately the people in the big echo chamber are 100% correct.

  105. I’m not a Pats fan. It’s amazing to me how many people now fixate on them being “cheaters”. On one hand Goodell put the hammer to them twice for a bunch of nonsense, but at the same time people believe he’s somehow part of a league-wide conspiracy to cover things up (he destroyed the tapes! – which were shown to the press) and/or have the officials call games to their advantage.

    Goodell is a former Jets executive. He hates the Patriots, as evidenced by deflategate – that report provided no clear evidence, and yet he came to the only conclusion he wanted, and the Patriots were punished.

    Countless former coaches and players have talked about how normal stealing signals is, or tampering with (customizing?) footballs used to be. There are no angels, there are no devils – everyone is trying to get a competitive advantage because there’s TONS of money at stake.

    To anyone who feels the NFL is complicit in some major conspiracy to aid the Patriots: why on earth would they do that? Why would they jeopardize a $13+ billion enterprise to help one team out of 32? There’s no logic in that idea – nothing to be gained, only potential harm to the business.

  106. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    January 30, 2018 at 2:23 pm
    Deflect, deflect, deflect, deny, deny, deny. Patriots fans modus operandi.
    __________________________________________________________________________________________
    Win, Win, Win, Win, Win, Acept Trophy, Accept Trophy, Accept Trophy, Accept Trophy-Pats modus operandi.

    Whine, Whine, Whine, Whine, Cry, Cry, Cry, Cry, Pats haters modus operandi

  107. Patriots have and have been caught cheating more than once. Just because people bring up the truth does not mean they are haters. A convicted felon is always a felon, Superbowl winners are always winners, and cheaters are always cheaters. Did they cheat to win games? You bet! Did the NFL take those games away and change them to losses? Nope!

    Patriot fans will swear they never cheated even after they where caught several times
    And non Patriot fans will always say their wins are tainted. That’s just the way it will be. If the NFL doesn’t fix the win lose from cheating, then so what if they did?
    If your team cheated to win multi SB’s you wouldn’t care either!
    Now think about that!!!!!!!!!

  108. Many players and coaches have noted how the Patriots seemed to know exactly what they were calling. But it’s ok. If you aren’t cheating, you aren’t trying.

  109. hukdeep says:
    January 30, 2018 at 11:02 am

    However, recording the signs for later study is highly illegal, in the NFL.
    _______________
    Very true. As is reviewing game footage to look for blitz packages, changes at the line of scrimmage, and snap counts.

    Some coaches even try to tape their own practices for later review. Thank god the NFL has banned the whole dangerous concept of game tape. Let’s just hope they eliminate practice next.

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