Many Hall of Fame players call Tom Brady the best ever

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Who do the best players of all time consider the best player of all time?

An impressive list of Hall of Fame players say that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, who will try to win his sixth Super Bowl ring on Sunday, has already established himself as the greatest ever to play the game.

Here’s a list, compiled by NFL writer Dov Kleiman, of Hall of Famers on the record saying that Brady is the best ever to play:

Emmitt Smith: “The best quarterback ever to play the game is Tom Brady, in my opinion. Without a doubt.”

Deion Sanders: “It’s the Brady era. You can’t get no better than that.”

Michael Irvin: “All of us living should understand how blessed we are to be in this moment while he’s doing what he’s doing. I say yes to comparing him to [Michael] Jordan, and I think what he’s doing is more difficult.”

Jerry Rice: “I always felt Jim Brown was the best ever. But Tom Brady, you have to put him up there.”

Jim Kelly: “The best. No doubt.”

Troy Aikman: “It was always an easy answer, it was Joe Montana. Now . . . I’ve changed my tune. I think [Brady is] the greatest to play our sport.”

Shannon Sharpe: “Tom Brady is the greatest football player in the 97-year history of the NFL.”

181 responses to “Many Hall of Fame players call Tom Brady the best ever

  1. I was too young to remember Jim Brown. I remember Lawerence Taylor. Montana and Rice too. But this Cat is the best of them all.

  2. Chris Long called him GOAT, so he is. Chris Long will donate his super bowl ring to a charity. That Chris Long

  3. Let’s not get carried away of comparing him to Michael Jordan, Mr. Irvin. Here’s the one big difference, the ‘95-‘96 Bulls ended up having the best regular season in the NBA with 72 wins and went on to win the NBA championship. The 2007 Patriots went undefeated in the regular season, but ended up losing the Super Bowl to a team that had beaten in the regular season. No comparison, Jordan led his team to an incredible season and championship; Brady fell short of a championship after leading his team to an undefeated season.

  4. Can’t dispute it. Look at how many championships he has, and his numbers. The dude is a 6th rd pick and has done better than any other QB in history. If you can’t say Tom Brady is the GOAT, then you are just hating.

  5. If he hadn’t cheated I would have called him the best ever. But that franchise is so tainted. Been disciplined multiple times. For that reason, Montana is the best ever.

  6. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    February 3, 2018 at 10:37 am
    Brady ain’t even the best QB of his era.
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    You just lost all credibility

  7. “Mr. Wright 212 says: February 3, 2018 at 10:35 am Don’t care. He’s not.”

    So you know better than Hall of Famers who actually played the game? Make your case why not.

  8. The conversation has changed from Brady vs Manning, to brady vs Montana, to Brady vs Jordan. So IMO, he is the best QB.

    However, people are going too far comparing him to Jordan. Jordan plays both sides, and elevated the entire sport.

  9. He is the best of THIS ERA, the last 18 years. You can’t hit the qb, or anybody today. He has a playbook strapped to his forearm and a coach in his earpiece. I think it’s unfair to compare him to Montana or even Bradshaw when they won 4 rings under much tougher circumstances.

  10. I don’t think that you can call NFL player, especially a QB, the GOAT. You just can’t compare players from different generations, what with all the rule changes. The key to beating Brady is to hit him, and you just can’t do that anymore. Would he have been as good in an era where you could abuse the QB? Imagine LT, Bruce Smith, Reggie White, or guys like hitting him in the mouth. Does anyone think he gets up from the Leonard Marshall hit on Montana? Or the Jim Burt hit in the ’86 NFCCG? I think it’s more accurate to refer to him as the best of his generation.

  11. How could anybody hate Tom Brady. He’s a classic American story of a 6th round afterthought, ‘camp arm’ who’s become the best of all-time. I should add, he got the best protection of all-time as well.

  12. boknowsvt says:
    February 3, 2018 at 11:12 am
    I don’t think that you can call NFL player, especially a QB, the GOAT. You just can’t compare players from different generations, what with all the rule changes. The key to beating Brady is to hit him, and you just can’t do that anymore. Would he have been as good in an era where you could abuse the QB? Imagine LT, Bruce Smith, Reggie White, or guys like hitting him in the mouth. Does anyone think he gets up from the Leonard Marshall hit on Montana? Or the Jim Burt hit in the ’86 NFCCG? I think it’s more accurate to refer to him as the best of his generation.
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    That’s precisely why wins and rings are what matters and the ONLY way you can compare these guys.

    Every other QB in Brady’s era get the same protection and rules as he does. And he still leads them to wins.

    🙂

  13. Most feminine sounding player in the history of organized sports including the WNBA. Just the facts nobody wants to admit.

  14. boknowsvt says:
    February 3, 2018 at 11:12 am
    I don’t think that you can call NFL player, especially a QB, the GOAT. You just can’t compare players from different generations, what with all the rule changes. The key to beating Brady is to hit him, and you just can’t do that anymore. Would he have been as good in an era where you could abuse the QB?….
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    Yes, Tom Brady would have been the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time in any era.

    Even when Brady has been hit often on the biggest of stages he has kept on getting back up and keeping the Pats in the games at times with victories, and other times with close losses. Some of the players who have faced Tom Brady in those games have marveled at his ability to keep going (see Justin Tuck, Michael Bennett, Von Miller and others).

    Tom Brady is not just the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time, whether or not the Pats win tomorrow, Brady is running away with that designation. He just might lap the field before he is done..

  15. nhpats says:
    February 3, 2018 at 10:35 am
    Even Shannon Sharp? Wow….
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    Sharpe was/is anti Belichick. He was always a Brady fan.

  16. Slow down people! Tommy might be the best QB of his era…The era of QB protection and receivers that can’t be breathed on or a flag comes out. But that’s the era Tom played in.
    If he played in Bradshaws era, Those protection rules weren’t in place, and I highly doubt Tommy would last as long as he has or had the stats. His receivers would’ve been mugged all the way doen the field and the QB would get hit and slammed to the ground almost every play.
    And don’t compare him to other athletes. Jordan 6 rings, Schumacher 7 titles, Johnson 6 titles & BILL RUSSELL 11 RINGS!!!

  17. You can make the argument that you can’t hit the QB like you could in the old days; but in the old days, you could make a great line, and keep it together and static for years.

    In today’s game the players are A LOT bigger and more dangerous now due to that added weight and strength; and while the QB has more protections, they are not infinite, or Brady would not have missed a full season in 2008.

    Both eras had distinct advantages over the other.

  18. He’s a great QB, but Tom Brady is not the best ever. If you were to put every alltime great QB in their prime in the 2018 draft do you think the Browns would pick Brady over QBs like Elway, Marino, Montana, even Peyton Manning. Even with a bad defense you’re guaranteed 11-13 wins a season with P Manning.

    Brady just has the perfect Head Coach for his skill set, and Belichick has the perfect QB for his coaching. It’s a Perfect storm for the NFL, but Brady is not the best QB. He’s in the conversation though.

  19. I’d give him GOAT in the modern era. He wouldn’t have lasted this long 30+ years ago when Montana, Favre, Aikman, Tarkington, Elway, etc played…when teams could hit quarterbacks. It was a different game back then.

  20. badmude says:
    February 3, 2018 at 11:33 am
    Slow down people! Tommy might be the best QB of his era…The era of QB protection and receivers that can’t be breathed on or a flag comes out. But that’s the era Tom played in.
    If he played in Bradshaws era, Those protection rules weren’t in place, and I highly doubt Tommy would last as long as he has or had the stats. His receivers would’ve been mugged all the way doen the field and the QB would get hit and slammed to the ground almost every play.
    And don’t compare him to other athletes. Jordan 6 rings, Schumacher 7 titles, Johnson 6 titles & BILL RUSSELL 11 RINGS!!!

    Agreed, none of them can compare to Brady. Basketball cannot be compared on any level to football. Like comparing tee ball to MLB. Russell played 13 seasons in a tiny league where Boston had far and away the most talent. As far as being hit goes, Brady gets hit as much or more than any QB in any era. He just doesn’t get as many RTP calls. His receivers do get mugged unless there’s a new rule that allows players to ride Gronk like a horse. If you bothered to actually watch him play you’d understand.

  21. suncawy says:

    February 3, 2018 at 10:50 am

    Let’s not get carried away of comparing him to Michael Jordan, Mr. Irvin. Here’s the one big difference, the ‘95-‘96 Bulls ended up having the best regular season in the NBA with 72 wins and went on to win the NBA championship. The 2007 Patriots went undefeated in the regular season, but ended up losing the Super Bowl to a team that had beaten in the regular season. No comparison, Jordan led his team to an incredible season and championship; Brady fell short of a championship after leading his team to an undefeated season.
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    To use your own logic then, Jordon did NOT out-perform Brady with his 96-96 season, because that Bulls team did NOT go undefeated …. they lost 10 games, somewhere near 15% of their games, They did NOT have a “perfect” regular season. So by the same logic that you use in saying Brady may have had a perfect regular season but lost the Championship, Jordan NEVER had a “perfect” regular season, ever.

  22. I will seriously never understand how much time people spend arguing about whether Tom Brady is the best QB ever, the best football player, the best athlete, whatever. Why does anybody waste energy on this “is too/is not” garbage?

    No rational person denies that Brady is extraordinary. So are a lot of football players, each in his own way. I’m a Patriots fan and I love watching Brady play, period. I don’t care one little bit who thinks what about ranking players. It’s not as if that’s interesting to watch or that it leads to anything.

  23. Any serious NFL fan knows this QB has done it, no other QB has.
    All the greats agree.
    I have been a fan for over 50 years and have seen a lot of great Quarterback and TB12 is without a doubt the best at that position.

  24. boknowsvt says:
    February 3, 2018 at 11:12 am

    Would he have been as good in an era where you could abuse the QB?
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    What era was that, and how was it any different than how quarterbacks are abused today?

  25. Brady is the best NFL player of all time.

    He is on track to be the most dominant athlete of any sport. Up there with Pele and Nicklaus. Only Don Bradman has an edge at this point.

    (look it up)

  26. 49ersfury says:
    February 3, 2018 at 11:43 am
    He’s a great QB, but Tom Brady is not the best ever. If you were to put every alltime great QB in their prime in the 2018 draft do you think the Browns would pick Brady over QBs like Elway, Marino, Montana, even Peyton Manning. Even with a bad defense you’re guaranteed 11-13 wins a season with P Manning.
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    Yeah, but if you wanted to win playoff games and Super Bowls, you’d probably better go with Montana or Brady. Manning was great in the regular season, but only won has two Super Bowl rings because he happened to be on the roster when the defense was winning the games. Elway was a Super Bowl disaster, until they started cheating to win two in a row. Marino, well, he had good stats.

  27. As Bill Parcells would say, you are what your record says you are.

    Brady’s production speaks for itself.

    He is by far the best producing QB ever, but it is a team sport…

  28. Michael LaRocca, Technical Editor says:
    February 3, 2018 at 10:48 am
    Jim Kelly remains the best ever. Tough as hell, called his own plays, always knew where his helmet was.

    22 136 Rate This

    Surrounded by Hall of Fame players and coaches…
    He had 20 TDs and 28 picks in the playoffs.
    Worst big game player in NFL history.

    He was the 2nd best playoff QB on his own team.

  29. Brady surpasses Jordan for the most RELEVANT definition of GOAT = The Skill, Discipline and Intellect required to play QB in the NFL far surpasses running back and forth to dunk and defend a Basketball.

    GO PATRIOTS

  30. Brady had the benefit of the best coach by far, great teams with top defenses and special teams. Peyton was often let down by his coaching, defenses and special teams, especially in the playoffs at the end of games. Peyton has better stats in the playoffs. comparison of the seasons both played. Starting in 2001 and excluding injuries in 2008 (Brady) and 2011 (Manning). Peyton carried his teams, except his last season of course, while Brady has almost always had the benefit of the better team.

    Postseason Performance, Per-Game:
    “Brady/Manning Era”

    #TomBrady:
    86.7 PR
    61.8%
    1.7 TD-0.9 INT
    252.8 Y/G
    6.6 YPA
    5 #SuperBowl app.
    1-3 vs. Manning (AFCCG)

    #PeytonManning:
    88.6 PR
    64.5%
    1.6 TD-1.0 INT
    275.3 Y/G
    7.3 YPA
    4 #SuperBowl app.
    3-1 vs. Brady (AFCCG)

  31. 49ersfury says:
    February 3, 2018 at 11:43 am
    ….If you were to put every alltime great QB in their prime in the 2018 draft do you think the Browns would pick Brady over QBs like Elway, Marino, Montana, even Peyton Manning. Even with a bad defense you’re guaranteed 11-13 wins a season with P Manning.

    Brady just has the perfect Head Coach for his skill set…
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    Knowing what everyone knows now, Tom Brady would have been the first pick in the NFL draft in any NFL draft ever done

    The other QBs you named all had the luxury of playing with other HOF players and/or for HOF head coaches and/or GMs. Who is to say that those QBs did not benefit more from being teammates with other HOF players, or playing for HOF head coaches, than Brady benefits from playing on a team coached by Belichick?

    They all benefited from their playing circumstances. If Tom Brady benefited the most, that is only because he is the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time.

  32. mmack66 says:

    February 3, 2018 at 12:20 pm

    Yeah, but if you wanted to win playoff games and Super Bowls, you’d probably better go with Montana or Brady. Manning was great in the regular season, but only won has two Super Bowl rings because he happened to be on the roster when the defense was winning the games.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Peyton was GIFTED those two SB Rings – the first was gifted to him by the Refs on two FAKE PI calls against the Pats, one on Offense and one on Defense that gave the Game to the colts.
    Do you remember the Bogus Face Masking Call in the end against the Pats and Replay CLEARLY showed the Pats Defender never touched the colts WR and there was like two feet of open space between them.

    The Second Gift when Peyton was on the Broncos the AFCCG where the Refs allowed the Broncos O Line to do choke holds on Pats Rushers and was displayed on cover page of Sports Illustrated as well as Gronk being tackled BEFORE the ball ever reached him and if that wasn’t bad enough they added bogus OPI calls against the Pats.

    Peyton never won a SB Ring unlike TB12 who clearly earned his.

  33. “it helps having the same system same OC for all those years but he does execute the plan well…”

    And Montana didn’t? Have you heard of the west coast offense or no?

  34. 9 one and dones Mr. Evidence. Peyton had several great defenses and 3 HOF recievers (Harrison, Wayne, Clark). Brady is better than Manning. Its not debateable. Manning was a choke artist who only ever won anything when he was carried by his defense.

  35. .
    best cry baby.
    Only 1 team knows how to beat the pats and that is to BLITZ brady.
    The giants BLITZED BLITZED BLITZED…
    he gets flustered and becomes a Sanchize.
    I have no clue why all these teams do not watch the super bowls the giants beat them.
    That is all that matters, what the pats did during the present season doesnt matter.
    If u dont do what the giants did u lose. and u do it the WHOLE GAME.
    If the Eagles dont blitz they LOSE.
    play cover and u lose.

  36. The GOAT and best ever in Sports are just arguments or discussions that are meaningless. Brady is a great QB no doubt. Its not like boxing where you compete one on one, Football is a team sport, where coaching also has an effect on the outcome. As a Brady fan I can easily say he is the GOAT but as a sports fan I prefer to say is great.

  37. you cant compare Brady and Montana, each had a different set of rules . Montana had it harder. With todays rules its much easier to throw for more. Each was the best of there time.

  38. I agree with Shannon Sharpe. Name all the Hall of Fame lineman, running backs, and receivers he’s had around him. Randy Moss’ HOF years were with Minnesota. The guy elevates the play of everyone around him. The best player I’ve ever seen.

  39. LyinRogerMustGo says:

    The Jim Burt hit was a divisional game. The NFCCG was vs. the Skins in 86

  40. grandsonofcoach says:
    February 3, 2018 at 11:52 am
    I’d give him GOAT in the modern era. He wouldn’t have lasted this long 30+ years ago when Montana, Favre, Aikman, Tarkington, Elway, etc played…when teams could hit quarterbacks. It was a different game back then
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    30+ years ago Aikman and Favre were in college.

  41. Due to numerous cheating scandals, NFL changing rules where its impossible to play defense on receivers, and his inability to play in Miami for some strange reason is evidence he’s not even close to being the best ever. I’m sure if he plays until he’s 45 Goodell will institute the following rule: Any touchdown thrown by a QB older than 44 is worth 12 points.

  42. Montana won 4 championships over 7 seasons. He has a total of 23 playoff games under his belt.

    Brady has played in 64% more playoff games than Montana, won 60% more playoff games than Montana and played in championships and has a higher winning % than Montana in playoffs.

    It’s not even an argument anymore.

  43. The blitz guy is hilarious. The giants beat the pats by rushing 4 linemen and not blitzing. Brady tears teams apart that run a blitz heavy scheme.

  44. It should be unanimous after tomorrow. Anybody who doesn’t recognize it is just a hater or an idiot. Tom Brady is simply the best. It has been a privilege for all fans to watch his games.

  45. FYI…

    Elway has a 2-3 Super Bowl record because he was so good…eh hum…I mean so great that he carried teams to championship games that had no business being in the SuperBowl. When he went to the Super Bowl with an even playing field and complete team around him he couldn’t be beaten.

    Montana would have had at least 6 Super Bowls had the QBs been as protected back then as they are today. He only has 4 Lombardis becausee of injuries. His last injury in the 1990 NFC championship game cost him two seasons. He would have had the Lombardi in 1990 as well as 1994, and most likely 1992. He was playing his best football at the time of the injury it was close to QB perfection.

    If Marino played under Belechick from 2001-2017 he would have about 10 Lombardis and the Pats would have 3 or 4 undefeated seasons. Them same as if Peyton Manning played for the Pats.

  46. While I appreciate Tom Brady and his greatness, certainly the best of his generation. To compare him to qbs in a time where they could literally be slammed to the ground, wide receivers could be contacted all the way down field is nonsense. Montana is still the GOAT, undefeated in super bowls, in fact never threw an INT in a Super Bowl.

  47. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    February 3, 2018 at 12:34 pm
    Brady had the benefit of the best coach by far, great teams with top defenses and special teams. Peyton was often let down by his coaching, defenses and special teams, especially in the playoffs at the end of games. Peyton has better stats in the playoffs. comparison of the seasons both played. Starting in 2001 and excluding injuries in 2008 (Brady) and 2011 (Manning). Peyton carried his teams, except his last season of course, while Brady has almost always had the benefit of the better team.

    Postseason Performance, Per-Game:
    “Brady/Manning Era”

    #TomBrady:
    86.7 PR
    61.8%
    1.7 TD-0.9 INT
    252.8 Y/G
    6.6 YPA
    5 #SuperBowl app.
    1-3 vs. Manning (AFCCG)

    #PeytonManning:
    88.6 PR
    64.5%
    1.6 TD-1.0 INT
    275.3 Y/G
    7.3 YPA
    4 #SuperBowl app.
    3-1 vs. Brady (AFCCG)

    ____

    A couple of things here:

    At the beginning you state that Brady benefited from having better teams than Manning, then the last stat you provide is Brady vs Manning, like they played without the rest of the team. Soft logic there, bud.

    On top of that, Brady has gone to 12 AFCCG and won 8 of them.
    Manning has only able to get his team to 4 AFCCG in his career. He failed in the first round numerous times.

    Also, Brady has 8 SB appearances. Just because Manning could not play anymore doesn’t mean you get to overlook the fact Brady takes better care of himself and is still playing well at an older age, while Manning was not able to. He has doubled up Manning in SB appearances.

  48. If that, hypothetical this. Great. Here in reality Tom Brady has 5 rings and possibly 6 after tomorrow and he’s the GOAT. End of story.

    The Marino hypothetical is the most funny considering his coach was Don Shula.

  49. Peyton had 3 HOF receivers (Harrison, Wayne, Clark) and only ever won anything when his defense carried him. But thanks for the fantasyland nonsense.

  50. Only 1 team knows how to beat the pats and that is to BLITZ brady.
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    You sure about that? 🙂 brady vs blitz this year: 122 passer rating. Try again.

    I also love the elevation of a team that hasn’t beaten the Patriots nor won a playoff game for that matter in 6 seasons. Kind of hilarious actually. 🙂

  51. billsbackto81 says:
    February 3, 2018 at 1:56 pm
    Winningest: Yes

    Best: No

    If Belicheck had Montana,Marino,Elway, Manning or Favre he’d be going for his 10th Lombardi.
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    I just love all the reaching based on completely fictional scenarios and events that simply didn’t happen. Anything to convince themselves that a QB they don’t like is the greatest. Tee hee.

    Comical. 🙂

  52. billsbackto81 says:
    February 3, 2018 at 1:56 pm
    Winningest: Yes

    Best: No

    If Belicheck had Montana,Marino,Elway, Manning or Favre he’d be going for his 10th Lombardi

    If Walsh, Siefert, Shula etc had Brady they’d have 10 each.

  53. And there it is. The old “losing in the playoffs is better than losing in the SB” argument. Credibility = shot.

    And Montana and all those other guys benefited from no salary cap. And cut the crap with this nonsense that QBs don’t get hit anymore. My word. Its like many of you people don’t even watch football you just have deep seeded hatred for the pats and Brady that makes you spout off.ridiculous nonsense.

  54. Montana would have had at least 6 Super Bowls had the QBs been as protected back then as they are today. He only has 4 Lombardis becausee of injuries. His last injury in the 1990 NFC championship game cost him two seasons. He would have had the Lombardi in 1990 as well as 1994, and most likely 1992. He was playing his best football at the time of the injury it was close to QB perfection.

    _____

    Montana was great. But this “ifs and buts” arguments doesn’t hold water. Its all speculation, you can believe it but it doesn’t make it true.

    Look, he was the best QB I saw play the game, and to me he and Brady are interchangeable. He also had a top 10 defense almost every single year. He played for Walsh, who in my opinion is the 2nd best coach ever. He played with Rice and Ronnie Lott. That whole team was amazing. Their run of excellence is pretty much the same as the Patriots.

    To say he would have won 3 more championships is wrong though. He didnt. For whatever reason, it never happened.

    I mean, I guess I could say if Brady hadnt been hurt in 2008 he would have won another SB. Hey if Tyree doesnt catch that ball, theres another one……if and buts……never happened….

  55. If Belicheck had Montana,Marino,Elway, Manning or Favre he’d be going for his 10th Lombardi.
    _____________________________________________________________________________________

    Each one of these guys played for HoF-caliber coaches and could not get close to what Brady is doing (except Montana). Not to mention the supporting cast for these guys was far better then what Brady has had. We get it. You are a Bills fan and hate Brady. Its fine. Just stop embarrassing yourself.

  56. He is a system QB – I doubt if he went to another team he’d do as well. There is a difference in true talent and just fitting into a system; replication elsewhere would solidify the claim. And there are others who haven’t cheated to win which means he will never be the best.

  57. ibillwt says:
    February 3, 2018 at 2:22 pm
    it’s been brady ever since the4th quarter against seattle. now there’s no one even close.

    “”””
    Brady loses that game if not for Butler’s INT

    And Brady sucked throwing 2 INT’s and only coming back after Lane and Avril left with injuries. And the Pats defense stopped Seattle the entire 4th qtr. Brady is a product of great coaching and great teams.

    He sucked against AtL until they self destructed and the Pats defense stopped AtL the last Qtr and 1/2.

    Plus Brady cheated.

  58. #TomBrady:
    86.7 PR
    61.8%
    1.7 TD-0.9 INT
    252.8 Y/G
    6.6 YPA
    5 #SuperBowl app.
    1-3 vs. Manning (AFCCG)

    #PeytonManning:
    88.6 PR
    64.5%
    1.6 TD-1.0 INT
    275.3 Y/G
    7.3 YPA
    4 #SuperBowl app.
    3-1 vs. Brady (AFCCG)

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    Brady in Super Bowls: 5-2, 3:1 TD/INT, 95.7 passer rating
    PeHGHton in Super Bowls: 2-2, TD/INT is underwater and 77.4 passer rating.

    It’s not rocket science folks.

    🙂

  59. Every other QB that could even be mentioned in Brady’s league succeeded with an array of stars, and mostly before free agency. Brady does it with a bunch of undrafted free agents, converted QBs and lacrosse players, and guys no other team wanted. He wills the team to victory. No one has ever done it better.

  60. A couple of things here:

    At the beginning you state that Brady benefited from having better teams than Manning, then the last stat you provide is Brady vs Manning, like they played without the rest of the team. Soft logic there, bud.

    “””””

    My point is simple. Manning has better stats but Brady wins more SB’s because he had superior coaching, defenses and special teams.

    Plus Manning never was suspended for cheating.

  61. Just say it, people: The AFC East was/is a vacation before the playoffs

    It’s like having three extra months off-season.

  62. doctorrustbelt says:
    February 3, 2018 at 3:04 pm
    Just say it, people: The AFC East was/is a vacation before the playoff

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    If the AFC East is a vacation then the AFC North is like a vacation with a bunch of candies and unicorns and rainbows.

    🙂

  63. He is a system QB – I doubt if he went to another team he’d do as well. There is a difference in true talent and just fitting into a system; replication elsewhere would solidify the claim. And there are others who haven’t cheated to win which means he will never be the best.
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    A complete lack of understanding on how the Pats offense works.

  64. It says something that no one from the Patriots dynasty has made the hall. The giants of men Brady has played with on offense..there is what..Moss and ? Welker and Edelman won’t make it cuz of bias to the outside WR. He hasn’t had a HOF running back. His kicker will. Defense, the teeth of that defense won’t get votes. Bruschi? Vrabel? Harrison and Law should make it easy. Sorry but any metric of Brady having better teams by the usual metrics is baloney when compared to what Manning had to work with.

  65. doctorrustbelt says:
    February 3, 2018 at 3:04 pm

    Just say it, people: The AFC East was/is a vacation before the playoffs
    ______________________________________

    That’s ironic coming from a fan of a team in the charmin soft AFCN where the Brady/Belichick era Pats have a higher winning % than they do against the AFCE. Being in New England the Pats belong in a Northern or Eastern division. Brady’s win %’s against divisions in the North or East: AFCE .792, NFCE .813, AFCN .833, NFCN .875. So which of those divisions would you rather he ‘vacation’ in while waiting for the playoffs to start?

  66. Top 3 at least.I would have liked to see Brady play when there was no 5 yard rule and qb’s had to hold the the ball 6 to 8 seconds before they could throw it. I think he could have been great in that era also.What separates him from the rest,is he wins.Seen a lot of football players hard to say who the best is,Brady is right up there with any other 2 you can name.

  67. You have to say he is. Ok he has the greatest coach along side but he has had some pretty ordinary players around him. Good players but not what you would call HoF types. The upstairs people have worked brilliantly getting players in that collectively are exceptional. Randy Moss, Gronk are the exception but he has won when they haven’t been around. Brady’s biggest asset is his football brains, he just knows we’re to go. I remember what Dan Marino said about players who were always in the treatment room were no good to him or the the team, I thought a bit harsh at the time. I think that’s another trait that the very best have, a high pain threshold. When Denver beat the Patriots a couple of seasons ago in the AFCC game they punished Brady physically, that’s when I woke up to the fact he is the best. They lost that game but I realised he would be back stronger and more focused even though he had that deflate stuff to go through. And look what happened last year. Yea he’s the best.

  68. So it comes down to whos opinion means more.

    Current and former players and coaches who call him the GOAT

    or random people on the internet who say he’s not.

    And for those of you you say “he benefits from a “system “
    Then so did Montana, when he left to go to KC Gunther Cunningham came with him and became the offensive coordinator and they ran the same west coast “system”

    So I gues all those players and coaches that called Montana the GOAT at one time were all wrong too.

  69. So it comes down to whos opinion means more.

    “””””

    Here’s a fact and not an opinion.

    Brady was suspended for cheating. Manning wasn’t and I’m not aware of Montana or the others being suspended for cheating either.

  70. Anyone who has not researched the ENTIRE history of the NFL is not qualified to comment on the “greatest of all time.”
    It may be Brady, it may be Montana, it may be Unitas, it may be Graham, it may be Hutson, it may be Thorpe, or it may be someone else.
    I believe Brady is the best in my lifetime, but I am not so arrogant to judge things of which I know little to nothing.

  71. 150bigdaddy says:
    February 3, 2018 at 3:53 pm
    Top 3 at least.I would have liked to see Brady play when there was no 5 yard rule and qb’s had to hold the the ball 6 to 8 seconds before they could throw it. I think he could have been great in that era also.What separates him from the rest,is he wins.Seen a lot of football players hard to say who the best is,Brady is right up there with any other 2 you can name.
    ———
    That’s the thing man, you did!!!! Those rules came in 2006 after Brady had already won 3 SBs. He’s done it in ‘both leagues’ of tough as nails crush the QB where defense could play as well as this new age style NFL.

  72. As a matter of fact, if you’re not at least 40, you can excuse yourself from this discussion. Completely.

    Just like LeBron James fans having the nerve to bring up his name in relation to Michael Jordan.

    Lunacy.

  73. Flash1287 says:
    February 3, 2018 at 3:59 pm

    So I gues all those players and coaches that called Montana the GOAT at one time were all wrong too.
    ————————————————————————————————————-
    He WAS the Goat. Until Brady came along.

  74. tyelee says:

    February 3, 2018 at 12:21 pm

    it helps having the same system same OC for all those years
    —————————————————————————————–

    Three. He’s had three different OC’s.

  75. @sweepthelegsxx
    The 5 yard rule came in 1978,it’s called the Mel.Blount rule. What changes were made in 2006 I don’t know,but you had to throw the ball downfield. Brady never played in a no 5 yard rule season.

  76. Michael LaRocca, Business Editor says:
    February 3, 2018 at 4:03 pm

    According to a poll, 98.3% of NFL fans feel that every New England loss is like Christmas, Thanksgiving, and their birthday combined.
    _______________________________________________________

    We think it’s great the GOAT and his team are able to bring so many of you together in your mutual frustration.
    Sincerely,
    The Other 1.7%

  77. He is a system QB – I doubt if he went to another team he’d do as well. There is a difference in true talent and just fitting into a system; replication elsewhere would solidify the claim. And there are others who haven’t cheated to win which means he will never be the best.

    ___

    Most great QB’s stay with the same team most of their career, or all of it. There have only been 1 or 2 or had any real success elsewhere. So, if Brady stays with the same team it invalidates him somehow? Really goofy argument there.

    It would also invalidate the following guys:

    Montana – Played in the West Coast system. Went to KC and had TD to Int of 13-7 in 1993 and 16-9 in 1994. Did not replicate his success in SF. Does that make him a system QB?
    Marino – Played for the same team his whole career.
    Elway – Played for the same team
    Farve – Had one good year outside of GB.
    Bradshaw, Staubach, Rodgers, Aikman, Kelly, Young all played in one place.
    Some of these guys had different coaches, but I bet the coaches all tried to play to the QB strengths not force a completely foreign system down their throats.

    Manning is really the only one who has gone somewhere else and had great success. So maybe if you are a big Manning fan, you hang your hat on this argument.

  78. Lol…. Manning had great success elsewhere due to 1 thing & 1 thing ONLY….Ashley’s HGH shipments

  79. dmfc1112 says:
    February 3, 2018 at 11:07 am
    He is the best of THIS ERA, the last 18 years. You can’t hit the qb, or anybody today. He has a playbook strapped to his forearm and a coach in his earpiece. I think it’s unfair to compare him to Montana or even Bradshaw when they won 4 rings under much tougher circumstances.
    ————————————————

    Based on that logic the GOAT must be Bronco Nagurski

  80. Mr. Wright 212 says:
    February 3, 2018 at 10:37 am
    Brady ain’t even the best QB of his era.

    ++++++++++++++++

    And you think Hillary Clinton should be President too

  81. My point is simple. Manning has better stats but Brady wins more SB’s because he had superior coaching, defenses and special teams.

    Plus Manning never was suspended for cheating.
    _____

    So, no credit being given to Mannings superior offensive weapons? Edge James, Harrison (HOF), Wayne, Clark?
    Isn’t Tony Dungy in the HOF?
    Vinitieri played more with Manning than with Brady.

    I’ll agree the Pats defense was typically better than theColts. There was times the Pats D was trash, like 5-6 years.

    Mannings stats are better in the regular season. In the playoffs, he was not as good.

  82. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    February 3, 2018 at 4:09 pm
    So it comes down to whos opinion means more.

    “””””
    Here’s a fact and not an opinion.

    Brady was suspended for cheating. Manning wasn’t and I’m not aware of Montana or the others being suspended for cheating either
    ——-
    Brady was suspended for ‘failure to cooperate with the investigation.’ Which is laughable Given al the evidence he produced and court hearings etc…

    No where, not in court, not in the $5 mil NFL report did they say they had evidence of him cheating. Those are facts.

    Jerry Rice admitted stickum use….I’m sure that won’t change your mind about him though

  83. When my team played I feared going against Peyton Manning more than I feared Tom Brady. Dam shame Peyton never had a Head Coach that cheated or a great Defense in INDY. Manning was the better Quarterback. The Patriots were the better team.

    #Facts

  84. Way too many variables in football to compare QBs. The whole offense either contributes to or take away from a QB’s ability to be great. The play calling can be awful. The defense can let the other team walk all over them.

    You certainly can’t compare a QB to a basketball player. A basketball player can singlehandedly change the course of a game, with offense and defense. They can literally carry a team to a W. No football player alone can carry the team to a victory.

  85. Brady was suspended for cheating. Manning wasn’t and I’m not aware of Montana or the others being suspended for cheating either.

    ____

    Here we are three years after that happened. New processes have been put in place to stop what allegedly happened. We have 3 years worth of stats showing that Bradys numbers have not declined since then.

    If he was cheating he was one of the worst cheaters ever because he didnt gain anything from it.

  86. joker65 says:
    February 3, 2018 at 5:13 pm

    Mannings stats are better in the regular season. In the playoffs, he was not as good.
    ——————————————————————————————————-
    Manning’s regular season stats were better because he played more than half his games in a dome.

  87. “Do you remember the Bogus Face Masking Call in the end against the Pats and Replay CLEARLY showed the Pats Defender never touched the colts WR and there was like two feet of open space between them.”

    Actually it wasn’t a face mask, it was “face guarding”, a penalty which had been eliminated from the NFL rulebook 2 years prior. That’s right, they screwed the Pats with a penalty that was no longer even a penalty and had been removed from the list.

    But Belichick, Brady and the Pat never complained unlike many other teams do so a lot of people don’t even realize it.

  88. Brady may be the best q.b., but football is a team game and i would challenge any Pats fan that the best Pats Super Bowl team since Brady has been in New England would get DESTROYED by any of those Cowboys Super Bowl teams from the 90’s, it wouldn’t even be close.

  89. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    February 3, 2018 at 3:39 pm
    If Brady retires, then the NFL will have parity

    “”””
    Yes, because all the other QB’s don’t cheat

    —-

    Explain how he does all this magic cheating right before everyone’s eyes again? I’d like to hear what that would be. He must be better than Houdini. It’s much more brilliant than actually being—I don’t know—a great quarterback maybe? That couldn’t be a possibility for you though. Your pain won’t allow it.

    I know the 18 year beat down sucks and all, but c’mon. The few of you left still trumpeting this garbage sounds silly.

  90. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    February 3, 2018 at 3:39 pm
    If Brady retires, then the NFL will have parity

    “”””
    Yes, because all the other QB’s don’t cheat

    —-
    PeHGHton did. As anyone with a brain knows.

  91. kissbillsrings says:
    February 3, 2018 at 5:06 pm
    Lol…. Manning had great success elsewhere due to 1 thing & 1 thing ONLY….Ashley’s HGH shipments
    —-
    Of course.

    Funny how that defamation suit never materialized. I wonder why. Just kidding, we all know why.

  92. It’s hard to give PeHGHton credit for much of his Broncos career when we all know the reason why HGHe set those records and won a ring in Denver,

  93. stucats says:
    February 3, 2018 at 6:10 pm
    Brady may be the best q.b., but football is a team game and i would challenge any Pats fan that the best Pats Super Bowl team since Brady has been in New England would get DESTROYED by any of those Cowboys Super Bowl teams from the 90’s, it wouldn’t even be close.

    —-
    Who cares? Seriously. Why do people invent fictional scenarios and games that can never happen in order to convince themselves that the Patriots can’t be that great. Too funny! 🙂

  94. To me the only REAL measure of a QB is the number of games he wins, especially coming from behind in the 4th quarter.

    So far Brady has done that 54 times, including the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history.

  95. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    —-
    Who cares? Seriously. Why do people invent fictional scenarios and games that can never happen in order to convince themselves that the Patriots can’t be that great. Too funny!

    If you look at the rosters of both teams, the only position i would give the edge to the Pats is q.b., Brady over Aikman, THAT’S IT!!!

  96. Amazing these haters have devoted their worthless lives, and now they have nothing left. Pathetic and hilarious at the same time.

  97. brady is only good because he has a good coach. however belicheck is only a good coach because he has a good owner. success start’s at the top and the truth is the patriots owe all there success to mr kraft. brady and belicheck should do the right thing and donate there superbowl rings to mr kraft so he can award them to putin.

  98. suncawy says:
    February 3, 2018 at 10:50 am
    Let’s not get carried away of comparing him to Michael Jordan, Mr. Irvin. Here’s the one big difference, the ‘95-‘96 Bulls ended up having the best regular season in the NBA with 72 wins and went on to win the NBA championship. The 2007 Patriots went undefeated in the regular season, but ended up losing the Super Bowl to a team that had beaten in the regular season. No comparison, Jordan led his team to an incredible season and championship; Brady fell short of a championship after leading his team to an undefeated season.

    Yes the Patriots lost two Super Bowls to the Giants, but in both games, Brady left the field in both games with the lead. The defense didn’t get any breaks. Helmet catch, then Manningham’
    s catch!

  99. Pats fans denying Brady was cheating when there was mountains of circumstantial evidence.

    Pats fans claiming Peyton was cheating with HGH because a rogue newspaper guy said so then recanted. Peyton fully cooperated and Brady did not.

    Pats fans claiming Colts piped in noise but CBS took the blame.

    Pats fans claiming Colts intentionally sucked for Luck when the entire coaching staff and GM were fired.

    Pats fans have no credibility with your baseless lies.

    Pats fans so sensitive because your teams accomplishments are tainted.

    In last years SB both Matt Ryan’s and his backups headsets lost communication in the 3rd qtr and from that point forward the Pats defense completely stopped AtL. Easy when you know the other teams plays.

  100. Lol…. Manning had great success elsewhere due to 1 thing & 1 thing ONLY….Ashley’s HGH shipments
    —-
    Of course.

    Funny how that defamation suit never materialized. I wonder why. Just kidding, we all know why.

    “”””
    Peyton didn’t have to go thru with the suit because he was found not guilty. Why didn’t Brady file a suit for defamation.

  101. Its amazing how many people have posted you can’t hit the quarterback anymore. If exaggeration is necessary to back an argument it isn’t much of an argument. Another exaggeration is posting that hitting Tom Brady is how you beat him. When you hit Tom Brady the Pats winning percentage comes out of the stratosphere to a normal WINNING percentage.

  102. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    February 3, 2018 at 8:03 pm
    Pats fans denying Brady was cheating when there was mountains of circumstantial evidence.

    Pats fans claiming Peyton was cheating with HGH because a rogue newspaper guy said so then recanted. Peyton fully cooperated and Brady did not.

    —-
    PeHGHton is a filthy cheat bro. Your opinion on this matter is completely irrelevant to the facts at hand.

    As for the Colts. 0 playoff appearances and 0 seasons over .500 since they were caught with under inflated footballs the night of the 2014 AFC Championship game and the league started inspecting PSI since.

    Speaks for itself.

    #UrAFraud
    #StopDefendingCheating

  103. To me the only REAL measure of a QB is the number of games he wins, especially coming from behind in the 4th quarter.

    So far Brady has done that 54 times, including the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history.

    “”””

    Better check your stats. Peyton is the all time leader in 4th qtr comebacks and game winning drives.

  104. Explain how he does all this magic cheating right before everyone’s eyes again? I’d like to hear what that would be. He must be better than Houdini. It’s much more brilliant than actually being—I don’t know—a great quarterback maybe? That couldn’t be a possibility for you though. Your pain won’t allow it.

    I know the 18 year beat down sucks and all, but c’mon. The few of you left still trumpeting this garbage sounds silly.

    “”””

    I don’t have to explain. Wells already did. Lol 😂

  105. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    February 3, 2018 at 7:52 pm
    Brady’s offense scored 14 and 17 points respectively in those Super Bowls against the Giants.

    The Pats defense did their job. It was as the Pats offense that lost thise games.

    —-
    Colts: 0 seasons over .500 since the league started checking PSI in footballs.

    Tells me all I need to know.

    #UrAFraud
    #UFilthyCheater

  106. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    February 3, 2018 at 8:08 pm
    Lol…. Manning had great success elsewhere due to 1 thing & 1 thing ONLY….Ashley’s HGH shipments
    —-
    Of course.

    Funny how that defamation suit never materialized. I wonder why. Just kidding, we all know why.

    “”””
    Peyton didn’t have to go thru with the suit because he was found not guilty. Why didn’t Brady file a suit for defamation.

    —-
    You just keep telling yourself that cheater. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

  107. Mr. Evidence. LOL, the headsets. The .2.psi in balls explained 100% by science, but you love Dump so its no surprise yoi reject science. The colts did suck for Luck, really worked out for them maybe hang a 3rd place AFC South banner. Thw colts pumped in noise, you can hear ir skipping on the briadcast LOL. Peyton took HGH. You are absolutely pathetic.

  108. “I don’t have to explain. Wells already did. Lol 😂”

    He’s hanging his hat on the wells report. lOL, hopefully they make helmets small enough to accomodate that brain of yours.

  109. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    February 3, 2018 at 8:13 pm
    To me the only REAL measure of a QB is the number of games he wins, especially coming from behind in the 4th quarter.

    So far Brady has done that 54 times, including the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history.

    “”””

    Better check your stats. Peyton is the all time leader in 4th qtr comebacks and game winning drives.

    —-
    Also the leader of tainted passing records from cheating.

    Congrats. I guess,

    *

  110. Wow, I feel like I’m back on the playground! “My Daddy can beat up your Daddy.” Listen up, kiddies, and let me clue you in to something, all your “what ifs” and hypotheticals just underline the point and confirm that you really think he’s the GOAT and just won’t admit it. If you really thought someone else was the GOAT you’d say so outright and explain why. Just grow up and suck it up, Brady is the greatest and you know it.

  111. Forget the NFL, the conversation is about sports in general. And he absolutely is in that conversation with all-timers like Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Alex Rodriguez, he really is on a whole other level like that

  112. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:

    I don’t have to explain. Wells already did. Lol
    ——————————————————————–
    You mean the $5 million Wells report which actually states that they did NOT find any evidence of cheating ….. THAT Wells report??????

    Did you even READ the Wells report?????? It actually exonerates Brady, not convicts him

  113. Flash1287 says:
    February 3, 2018 at 3:59 pm

    And for those of you you say “he benefits from a “system “
    Then so did Montana, when he left to go to KC Gunther Cunningham came with him and became the offensive coordinator and they ran the same west coast “system”
    ————————

    Gunther Cunningham was never the offensive coordinator of the Chiefs, and he came from the Raiders, not the 49ers.

  114. Brady never cheated. He was cheated. Yet he still wins. Sorry, haters. It is what it is. You are missing a phenomenon because your teams are losers and you project your frustrations on Brady.

  115. 49ersfury says:
    February 3, 2018 at 1:47 pm
    FYI…

    Elway has a 2-3 Super Bowl record because he was so good…eh hum…I mean so great that he carried teams to championship games that had no business being in the SuperBowl. When he went to the Super Bowl with an even playing field and complete team around him he couldn’t be beaten.

    Montana would have had at least 6 Super Bowls had the QBs been as protected back then as they are today. He only has 4 Lombardis becausee of injuries. His last injury in the 1990 NFC championship game cost him two seasons. He would have had the Lombardi in 1990 as well as 1994, and most likely 1992. He was playing his best football at the time of the injury it was close to QB perfection.

    If Marino played under Belechick from 2001-2017 he would have about 10 Lombardis and the Pats would have 3 or 4 undefeated seasons. Them same as if Peyton Manning played for the Pats.

    ——————————-
    So Montana was not protected but the qbs of his era that went to SB instead of him were?

    All of this is ‘if this’ and ‘if that’ logic to try to explain away these guys not accomplishing what Brady has.

  116. Brady is probably the greatest of this era.

    GOAT? I won’t go there. The sport has changed over the years so much.

  117. How many rings would Brady have if he didn’t get to play in the AFC Least every year? That’s the real question and the answer is likely less than 5.

  118. Brady plays under rules which are far more advantageous to the offense than Montana, Unitas or anyone before 1995 did. Brady also has never called a single play for himself.

    Brady has won more Super Bowls than any other quarterback. That cannot be disputed. But best ever? That is disputable and I happen to be solidly in the NO camp.

  119. Its ok to be delusionsl over bradshaw or montana being close to brady but stop with the elway, manhole business. They absolutely stunk in the biggest moments. Dont tarnish bradshaw or montana by puting them with el choke-o manning. God I loved watching him gag time after time.

  120. nbptma says:
    February 3, 2018 at 5:08 pm
    Mr. Wright 212 says:
    February 3, 2018 at 10:37 am
    Brady ain’t even the best QB of his era.

    ++++++++++++++++

    And you think Hillary Clinton should be President too
    —–

    Despise her.

    And Trump.

    Zero correlation to this discussion, by the way.

  121. Brady is an all time great, but you’re fooling yourself if you think he’s the best all time. First of all you can’t compare different eras. Second of all, just because he’s been on great teams his entire career doesn’t suddenly make him better than QBs like Brees, Manning, and Rodgers. In fact, Aaron Rodgers destroys Brady as a QB and the stats bear this out.

  122. revelation123 says:

    February 5, 2018 at 8:46 pm

    Brady is an all time great, but you’re fooling yourself if you think he’s the best all time. First of all you can’t compare different eras. Second of all, just because he’s been on great teams his entire career doesn’t suddenly make him better than QBs like Brees, Manning, and Rodgers. In fact, Aaron Rodgers destroys Brady as a QB and the stats bear this out.

    =================

    Not really, Rodgers is great but Brady has not always had great teams and has dragged them much further than Rodgers has. The Pats D in the 2011 season was awful and they came pretty close to winning the SB. Rodgers has more physical gifts but Brady’s intangibles are superior.

  123. When forced to be without Rodgers, the Packers have gone 5-12-1, a .277 record.

    When forced to be without Brady, the Patriots have gone 14-6 with 3 different back up QBs. That’s a .700 record. In fact, no great QB of the modern era has proved to mean less to his team in winning games than Brady has.

    The Patriots had the 15th ranked scoring defense that year. You say it’s terrible, but that’s the average Packers defense during Aaron Rodgers tenure. Brady usually has really good defenses.

    In fact, the Patriots have never won a Super Bowl with Brady without also having a top 10 scoring defense. Brady has had 13 top 10 scoring defenses in his career. Rodgers has had 2.

  124. revelation123 says:

    February 6, 2018 at 11:38 pm

    When forced to be without Rodgers, the Packers have gone 5-12-1, a .277 record.

    When forced to be without Brady, the Patriots have gone 14-6 with 3 different back up QBs. That’s a .700 record. In fact, no great QB of the modern era has proved to mean less to his team in winning games than Brady has.

    The Patriots had the 15th ranked scoring defense that year. You say it’s terrible, but that’s the average Packers defense during Aaron Rodgers tenure. Brady usually has really good defenses.

    In fact, the Patriots have never won a Super Bowl with Brady without also having a top 10 scoring defense. Brady has had 13 top 10 scoring defenses in his career. Rodgers has had 2.

    ================================

    Well to be accurate, Belichick is only 18-19 when Brady hasn’t started (and they both joined the team at the same time). And 33 of those 38 games were started by QBs who went to at least one Pro Bowl and both of those QBs had better years after leaving the Pats.

  125. Not really, Rodgers is great but Brady has not always had great teams and has dragged them much further than Rodgers has. The Pats D in the 2011 season was awful and they came pretty close to winning the SB. Rodgers has more physical gifts but Brady’s intangibles are superior.
    =====

    Rodgers – 1 top 5 defense so far in his career… with which he won a SB

    Brady – top 10 defense 12 of 16 years, top 5 defense 7 years, #1 or #2 defense in 4 seasons, 3 of which he won the SB.

    Brady didn’t “drag” anything. Not at any point. He plays for the best organization in pro sports.

  126. aarons444 says:

    February 8, 2018 at 3:46 pm

    Not really, Rodgers is great but Brady has not always had great teams and has dragged them much further than Rodgers has. The Pats D in the 2011 season was awful and they came pretty close to winning the SB. Rodgers has more physical gifts but Brady’s intangibles are superior.
    =====

    Rodgers – 1 top 5 defense so far in his career… with which he won a SB

    Brady – top 10 defense 12 of 16 years, top 5 defense 7 years, #1 or #2 defense in 4 seasons, 3 of which he won the SB.

    Brady didn’t “drag” anything. Not at any point. He plays for the best organization in pro sports.

    ===============

    Sure did, 2011 team was an awful defense. If Welker hangs on to the pass or the defense holds up a bit better, Pats win. Indisputable. And the 2006 team would’ve gone to a Super Bowl as well if BB put more weapons around Brady. The Pats lost because their WR1, gulp, Reche Caldwell, had two huge drops on the AFCC.

  127. And Belichick is only 18-19 as Pats HC without Brady starting. 33 of those 38 games were started by QBs who went to a Pro Bowl. Both of those QBs had better years after leaving Pats. Brady is pretty important.

  128. Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    February 3, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    He is a system QB – I doubt if he went to another team he’d do as well. There is a difference in true talent and just fitting into a system; replication elsewhere would solidify the claim. And there are others who haven’t cheated to win which means he will never be the best.

    ===============================

    Belichick’s cap management strategy disproves this. He always gets rid of talent that starts to get expensive if he believes he can find that production at a better price (ie Chandler Jones, Jaimie Collins, Revis, Moss, Vinatieri, Seymour, Asante Samuel, Lawyer Milloy, Garrapolo etc.) If Brady truly was merely a “system” QB, he would have been traded for picks/cap space loooong ago.

  129. aarons444 says:

    February 8, 2018 at 6:07 pm

    Sure did, 2011 team was an awful defense.
    =====

    Agreed.

    Packers D was historically bad in 2011.

    Cost them a 2nd Title.

    ===================

    Well Rodgers didn’t help himself with 2 turnovers against the Giants in playoffs. Pats were right with the Packers that year with the extreme offense/defense disparity. And you didn’t respond to what I pointed out.

  130. aarons444 says:

    February 9, 2018 at 12:07 pm

    And you didn’t respond to what I pointed out.
    =====

    Beacuse we’re not going to agree here.

    =========

    You don’t agree with facts? How are they specifically incorrect?

  131. aarons444 says:

    February 9, 2018 at 2:05 pm

    What Facts?

    “If Welker”…

    Hypothetical aren’t facts.

    ===========

    Uh, it is a fact that if Welker or Caldwell catch those passes, they are first downs and Pats just run out clock. If you look at where they were on the field, its easy to see. And the fact that BB is 18-19 as Pats HC without Brady starting, that’s also a fact.

  132. Patriot defenses during Bradys career (2001-2017, reverse order)

    5th, 1st, 10th, 8th, 10th, 9th, 15th, 8th, 5th, 8th, 4th, 2nd, 17th, 2nd, 1st, 17th, 6th

    Packer defenses (2008-2017, reverse order)

    26th, 21st, 12th, 13th, 24th, 11th, 19th, 2nd, 7th, 22nd

    Easy to see why 1 of these QBs was able to get to 8 Super Bowls, and the other has not.

  133. Scoring defense isn’t a great stat in evaluating defense, especially when a team is in the playoffs against better offenses. Pats 2017 defense was hardly the 5th best in the NFL, defensive DVOA was 31st, and DVOA was 15th in 2016, 20th in 2013, 30th in 2011, 11th 2007, 7th 2004, 2nd 2003, and 13th in 2001.

  134. Peyton Manning went 38-10 with John Fox as coach. Brady is 10-6 with Fox. Longevity counts for something so if Brady plays at a high level for 2 more seasons then Maybe.

  135. Scoring defense isn’t a great stat in evaluating defense
    =====

    How do you win games?

    Score more points than the other team.

    There isn’t a more relevant statistic to measure defenses.

  136. Defensive DVOA is widely regarded as the better, more accurate stat. And Pats D was among the worst defenses this year in yardage allowed. Against good offenses, the bend but dont break style like the Pats played, does not go as well. Eagles D was a much better unit this year.

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