Ravens owner calls NFL’s catch rules “stupid”

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Even before a pair of are-they-or-aren’t-they catches in the Super Bowl, one owner made it clear the NFL had a huge problem with its catch rules.

During his state of the Ravens interview last week, Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti declared his frustration with the issue.

The whole thing is stupid,” Bisciotti said, via the team’s official website.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has already promised the league would take a fresh look at the league’s catch rules, sounding prepared to write new rules to prevent the piecemeal approach that has led to confusion from fans, players, coaches, and officials alike.

That sounds like a good plan to Bisciotti.

“Start over. It’s just ridiculous,” he said. “Every time you’ve talked about referees, I’ve always defended them. It is such a hard job, they do such a good job, and yet we’re sitting there looking at five different HD camera angles, and then they’re changing some things, and I think it’s worse than it’s ever been. I think sometimes things have to get really, really bad before there is change. . . .

“I bet you that there is going to be a significant change in that. A football move? I mean, how you can catch the ball, get both feet down, turn towards the end zone and start diving for it, and they say it’s not a football move? No. It’s stupid.”

The Ravens weren’t even involved in any major catch dispute last year, but two days after Bisciotti’s comments, touchdowns by Eagles tight end Zach Ertz and running back Corey Clement prompted too much debate on the game’s biggest stage. At least the game officials stuck with the rules on the field, aligning with the “clear and obvious” standard.

62 responses to “Ravens owner calls NFL’s catch rules “stupid”

  1. Waaah, the Eagles get all the calls. Waaaah. The Clement TD was incomplete. The Ertz TD was incomplete (ask Tyler Eifert, Dez Bryant, and Calvin Johnson). The refs didn’t call a penalty when Hogan got blown up 20 yards down field on the hail mary. There were no holding calls against the Eagles offensive line. Waaah.

    #AmIDoingThisRight?

  2. Chris Collinsworth didn’t make it any better, taking the opposite stance on both of those plays. Two things are for certain, Chris was drunk, and rooting for the Patriots.

  3. Agree, needs to change. Good example is the end zone touchdown by Clement in the Super Bowl. This year that play is reviewed and called incomplete 100 percent of the time. Why change it now in the biggest game of the year? Typical gutless NFL. Caving in to media attention to the catch rule and god forbid the Patriots getting another favorable call. Not saying the Patriots deserved to win that game but they got screwed on that call.

  4. The funny thing is, contrary to all the conspiracy theorists that call every little thing in the Patriots favor corrupt refs and everything against the Patriots kharma and payback, the officials actually have been getting these calls right this season. So its all really just been football.

  5. One of the few things Steve said during his state of the Ravens that I liked hearing. Too many softball questions from the press.

  6. .
    If you appreciate dry humor, you gotta love game analyst, Chris Collinsworth’s simple pronouncement of “I give up” when explaining calls on the field. If we went into overtime, we probably could have got him to, ” How the hell should I know?”
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  7. The only person in the entire football world that was confused on the Ertz TD was Chris Collinsworth. The announcers were confused most of the game. They came for a coronation and a football game broke out.

  8. Ever since Calvin Johnson’s catch/no catch debacle, the NFL has shot itself in the foot with this issue. Get it right. If it looks like a catch, it’s a catch. What’s so hard about that? And, I’m no Cowboy fan but Dez Bryant really did catch that ball.

  9. 9 years late in effect + 1 week after The Commish mentions he’ll look into it ONE OWNER dares to speak up?

    Lame.

  10. The catch rules are exactly the way the NFL wants them.. That way New York can call a catch/incomplete pass whenever they see fit depending on who they want to win.

  11. Umm he said this before the Super Bowl. So really he was just made that the Pats were in it and had catches overturned in their favor during the season. No surprise there.

  12. rgorr44 says:
    February 6, 2018 at 8:25 am

    Agree, needs to change. Good example is the end zone touchdown by Clement in the Super Bowl. This year that play is reviewed and called incomplete 100 percent of the time. Why change it now in the biggest game of the year? Typical gutless NFL. Caving in to media attention to the catch rule and god forbid the Patriots getting another favorable call. Not saying the Patriots deserved to win that game but they got screwed on that call.

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    I’m a Patriots fan and I don’t really agree that the Patriots got screwed on the Clement and Ertz TD calls. In the middle of the season, those would both have been overturned on review, but that’s because Riveron was doing all those excruciating frame-by-frame, multiple-angle reviews in NY and substituting his judgment for the call on the field.

    It became clear during the playoffs that somebody ordered Riveron to quit substitute his own judgment, and to defer to the call on the field unless the clear and compelling standard was met. So I think most fans knew during the conference championships and the Super Bowl that calls like those TD calls were going to stand, even if they almost certainly would have been overturned only a few weeks earlier.

    When you have the what’s-a-catch standard change, as a practical matter, *during* a season, it’s even more frustrating than the issue has been in previous seasons. I’m glad the League will look again, not that all controversy can ever be eliminated when we have the incredible video technology we have now.

  13. I was surprised by how few penalties were called in Super Bowl – if I remember correctly not one pass Interference and not one Offensive Hold – its obvious the officials do not want to be an issue in the Big Game – this carried over to the pass catch calls as they didn’t want to overturn the calls on the field – whatever they decide it needs to be crystal clear for everyone – we shall see

  14. donterrelli says:
    February 6, 2018 at 8:19 am
    If that Zack Ertz TD was a catch and TD, then Jesse James’ catch was a TD.
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    If Ertz and james both caught it, then DEZ DEFINITELY caught it!

    Its time to put someone in charge of this who has a both common sense and knowledge of the game. Roger Goodell has neither, so they need to get this done without that idiot’s involvement.

  15. Collinsworyh was embarrassing. Ertz was close to 6 yard line when he caught ball. It was all so silly. What, you now have have ball for 10 yards before it is a catch. Stupid

  16. codylaws says:
    February 6, 2018 at 8:20 am
    He’s right. They’re not consistent. Clement never made the catch, according NFL rule. The ball move and he stepped out of bound.

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    You need a better TV. after Clement moved the ball and re-grasped it his second foot actually did come down inbound. His toe kicked up the rubber pellets before his sole hit the end line. That’s two pints of contact inbound, TD.

    And I am neither a Pats not Eagles fan.

    The TE’s catch for TD was also the right call. He was not going to the ground while making the catch. He was running into the EZ when he got tripped then went down. Three steps, then hit, then crossed the plane.

  17. Where is the explanation from the anti-Pats crowd for the refs not working in their favor Sunday.

    Since the Pittsburgh game all I heard is the league and the refs wanted the Pats to win and they were obviously giving them preferential treatment.

    Why did they stop doing that Sunday? I thought they wanted the Pats to win it all. All of sudden they aren’t giving the Pats the calls? What changed?

  18. donterrelli says:
    February 6, 2018 at 8:19 am

    If that Zack Ertz TD was a catch and TD, then Jesse James’ catch was a TD.

    Wrong, James the ball hit James’ hands and he whirled toward the endzone and the ball came out when he hit the ground. Ertz caught the ball, took two steps, and dove for the endzone. One clearly established himself as a runner, the other failed to maintain control of a ball that had just hit his hands. This is not rocket surgery.

  19. They’ve been doing a pretty good job, actually. The Ertz TD was a no-brainer, and while the Clement one was borderline there wasn’t enough to overturn the ref’s call. Also, anybody who thinks the Ertz and James plays were the same needs to get a grip. In order to have a TD reception, you have to actually…you know…catch the ball. In no part of the field would the James play have been ruled a completed pass.

  20. Listen to this snake oil salesmen cheater. His own coach sits on the Competition Committee with Mike Tomlin as cheaters.

    It’s their flippin’ rule. My team was also cheated in front of millions in a Super Bowl, due to Goodell looking to cheat.

    Clement did not possess the ball with 2 feet down. It’s a fact, not an opinion.

  21. cobrala2 says:
    February 6, 2018 at 9:03 am
    1 week after The Commish mentions he’ll look into it ONE OWNER dares to speak up?
    Lame.
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    “During his state of the Ravens interview last week”
    Lame indeed

  22. The refs have done an amazing job with murky rules and an unforgiving HD micro-Second replay that 2nd guesses their every move.

    I love watching Tom Brady & the Patriots, but those calls were fine. Ertz was a runner, the other one looked like he bobbled the ball before getting his feet down in the back of the endzone but it was so close…at some point just let the obvious real-time judgement stand.

    Seems like a great time to apply the standard of deference to on-field judgement unless the replay is compelling.

    The SB was called great – the Ravens owner is right here.

  23. rgorr44 says:
    February 6, 2018 at 8:25 am
    Agree, needs to change. Good example is the end zone touchdown by Clement in the Super Bowl. This year that play is reviewed and called incomplete 100 percent of the time. Why change it now in the biggest game of the year? Typical gutless NFL. Caving in to media attention to the catch rule and god forbid the Patriots getting another favorable call. Not saying the Patriots deserved to win that game but they got screwed on that call.

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    Of course they got screwed…Goodell was in charge. I can guarantee you with Goodell’s public comments about the rule needing to be changed, after it was enforced CORRECTLY ALL YEAR, with BB nowhere near the competition committee, this proves what I’e said. Goodell cheats the Pats by aligning with certain franchises who want things done to affect the Pats in negative fashion, even if it’s cheating right in front of the NFL customer.

    You could be the biggest Pats Hater ever, and if you claim that was a catch by Clement, then you don’t know the rules or are a liar. It’s no different than the over-turned Kelvin Benjamin ruling.

    You need firm possession and 2 feet down and everyone knows it.

    All Pats fans what is what is fair. That’s it.

  24. I’m no Eagles fan but I was screaming that both of those catches should count because that was the right call. The Ertz call was obvious. Anyone questioning that has no business commenting on football (I’m looking at you, CC). The guy caught it, took three steps, and dove for the end zone. The Clement call was more difficult to make but it was the right call. Yes, the ball moved but he was in possession of it the whole time. He wasn’t bobbling it. If you have control of the ball the whole time, it should be a catch. I don’t know if that meets the letter of the current law, but it should be part of the new rule.

  25. zappa73 says:
    February 6, 2018 at 10:35 am
    The refs have done an amazing job with murky rules and an unforgiving HD micro-Second replay that 2nd guesses their every move.

    I love watching Tom Brady & the Patriots, but those calls were fine. Ertz was a runner, the other one looked like he bobbled the ball before getting his feet down in the back of the endzone but it was so close…at some point just let the obvious real-time judgement stand.

    Seems like a great time to apply the standard of deference to on-field judgement unless the replay is compelling.

    The SB was called great – the Ravens owner is right here.

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    Ertz was a runner and it was a TD. Clement did not hvae final possession with 2 feet down. Goodell cheated in the SB. Plain and simple.

    Goodell came out this week and talked about changing the rule in the offseason, but I am not sure how clear one foot out of bounds after final possession would be in any way, shape or form, tied to what possession would mean in the future.

    It was a clear incompletion and that’s a fact.

    The NFL is the only league in sports history to literally change the rule during a game to cheat a team.

    In the last decade plus, this has happened only to NE NUMEROUS times, and it’s usually in a playoff game or a way for Goodell to try to shift seeding in favor of another team.

    In 2013, NE was victimized TWICE, for 2 losses, with the complete inaccurate application of a rule.

    1. Gronk mauled in Carolina on MNF, where the flag was picked up claiming “the ball was not catchable by a 6’7 behemoth, who was blocked from coming back to the ball, which was a mere 5 yards behind him.

    Unreal. That would happen nowhere else but against NE.

    2. Chris Jones, a DL, tried to squeeze around a teammate to block a FG in OT vs the Jets, and they called him for pushing a teammate, which was only a penalty from the second level, not someone on the line of scrimmage. Blandino then posted the rule at NFL.com, but forgot to change the wording om the fly, to include the first level. He then took the post down, changed the wording and put it back up. Tom Curran caught him doing this, as did I, once I saw what was going on.

    The refs came around to all teams showing them that it was now illegal to start, run and try to push a lineman into the opposing teamn’s line. They never said a word about a DL trying to squeeze or push through a seam on the line of scrimmage.

    That’s without question 100% NFL sponsored cheating against my team.

    Period.

    The fact is, Pats fans are so used to this, they usually don’t care, because the Pats USUALLY end up fighting through the cheating and still win the game. This obviously did not happen Sunday, but the fact is, Goodell can’t lose. He knows people simply are so jealous of NE, no one cares if he cheats them. They just want any kind of harm to come to NE.

  26. No problems with the Ertz call. Clement’s was not a catch under any circumstance. His right hand came off the ball twice.
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    But that’s assuming you need to have two hands on the ball to say the receiver has possession of the ball. Beckham and other receivers have been ruled to be in possession of the ball with just one hand. Clements’s other hand looked like it was in control of the ball the whole time. Ball carriers often control the ball in one hand/arm while going to the ground so that they can use the other hand to brace themselves.

  27. Too many people are mistaking any kind of ball movement in a players’ hands with “bobbling.” When a player is moving the ball around within his own grasp as Clement was, he is *controlling* the ball. He caught the ball against his own torso and forearm and used control to bring the ball in to secure it. And the ball’s security within Clement’s grasp was never even close to being in doubt.

    Also, he took three steps after initially securing the ball against his torso and forearm. Two of those were in bounds. That’s why the refs ruled it a catch. And they got it right.

  28. Zach Ertz caught the ball, turned and ran AT LEAST 3 STEPS! HE WAS A RUNNER AT THAT POINT! Stop comparing his play to the Dez Bryant and Jesse James plays!. It’s amazing how people can see what they want to see depending on their own bias. Is that what I’m doing? Then deny that Ertz turned and ran several steps. What are people looking at?

  29. joetoronto says:
    February 6, 2018 at 10:49 am
    Man, lots and lots of Patriots* fans on here whining. We hear all season about how whining is for losers…but, I guess they’re the losers again.

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    Mot really whining, I just think it’s funny you cheaters want a cheating owner like Bisciotti, a guy who was involved in working with Goodell to jkeep Ray Rice on the team to avoid the 9.5 mil cap hit with a 20 mil per year average QB on board, while being a key figure in the Deflategate framejob, is somehow in a position to lecture me on what a catch is and isn’t.

    Tell that greaseball scumbag to shut his mouth and worry about his crappy team, goofy logo, and pathetic uniforms, his fired GM and his overrated, entitled coach.

  30. Wow, tylaw is really struggling.

    Best to back away from the keyboard for a few days, brother.

    How about Brady going for the Tuck Rule 2.0 on the strip sack!?

    Your rant and itemized grievances only shows how spun you’ve become.

    It’s OK.

    Much like the Tuck Rule for RAIDERS fans, you can stew on it for a decade or so and see if you can forget.

    I’m laughing tylaw, I’m laughing really, really loud.

    Your crow is served, please enjoy.

  31. stillabengalsfan says:
    February 6, 2018 at 10:01 am
    donterrelli says:
    February 6, 2018 at 8:19 am

    If that Zack Ertz TD was a catch and TD, then Jesse James’ catch was a TD.

    Wrong, James the ball hit James’ hands and he whirled toward the endzone and the ball came out when he hit the ground. Ertz caught the ball, took two steps, and dove for the endzone. One clearly established himself as a runner, the other failed to maintain control of a ball that had just hit his hands. This is not rocket surgery.

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    Agreed and correct. I have to laugh at how many NFL fans refuses to read or know the rules.

    Clement’s TD was incorrect, and that’s a fact. Re-possessing the ball for final possession, means you need to show 2 feet down. His second foot was visibly and factually on the chalk.

    Anyone denying these facts is a liar and cheater.

  32. silvernblacksabbath says:
    February 6, 2018 at 9:12 am
    The catch rules are exactly the way the NFL wants them.. That way New York can call a catch/incomplete pass whenever they see fit depending on who they want to win.

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    Correct, at least in this case. Th Pats had 3 calls over-turned CORRECTLY in their fervor, yet somehow it became a narrative of “Goodell helps the Pats”, which caused this creepy continued fervor, which then in turn has us see Goodell this past week, cave to public anti-Pats hater wants and needs, to again cheat the Pats during a season.

    It’s been going on for over a decade.

    Real Pats fans know they have to beat the refs and the opponent. They usually do.

    And, I think there was no funny business last year, after they cheated and suspended Brady after caught lying in court, because it would have been way to obvious. So, the officiating was superb last postseason and the SB ever has any controversy on replay reviews either.

    It was clearly not a catch by rule and a 4 point swing, assuming Elliott kicks the FG.

    Riveron completely changed how he would rule, because Goodell told him to.

  33. And yes, the Jesse James comparison is ridiculous. His knee hit the ground before he ever broke the plane. That’s the end of that catch being ruled a TD. And it’s pretty cut-and-dried.

    Ertz’s catch hinges on a different issue entirely. Did he establish himself as a runner before breaking the plane with ball in hand? Indeed, he did, and clearly.

    James / Ertz = apples / oranges.

  34. The NFL has all off-season to study, consult, analyze, get input and
    come up with clearly defined criteria of what a catch is, and isn’t.
    Then they need to apply those rules fairly and consistently.

    As a football fan I say, they better get this right.
    I’ve had enough of the BS calls that impact games, and seasons.
    The less we hear from Riveron, the better.

  35. As a Steelers fan, I’d love to say the James and Ertz catches were identical, but they weren’t. Ertz traveled much further after the catch. He’d clearly become a runner before crossing the plane; it wasn’t even close. I thought the ruling should have gone in James’s favor simply because there wasn’t enough evidence to overturn. But it wasn’t as clearcut in that case as with the Ertz catch. The problem–as remizak pointed out–was that the NFL’s newly appointed replay guru, Riveron, is an idiot who was nitpicking plays to death during the regular season. Apparently the league called him off for the playoffs and told him not to overturn the guys on the field unless it was absolutely necessary. And IMO, Steratore is the best ref in the league, so we had a cleanly called game.

    As for how we fix this thing permanently … if the player gets two feet down with ball in hand, that should be the end of it. I’m tired of seeing a catch, then having someone say it wasn’t a catch because the ball squished out when a 200-pound receiver fell on it.

  36. They got both calls correct, but a different ref might have had a different opinion. The rule is stupid, but an owner certainly has more power than any of us. Why did the owners allow this in the first place? They own the league. The commissioner works for them. The rules committee works for them. The Ravens owner needs to look in the mirror.

  37. mullman76 says:
    February 6, 2018 at 11:12 am
    Wow, tylaw is really struggling.

    Best to back away from the keyboard for a few days, brother.

    How about Brady going for the Tuck Rule 2.0 on the strip sack!?

    Your rant and itemized grievances only shows how spun you’ve become.

    It’s OK.

    Much like the Tuck Rule for RAIDERS fans, you can stew on it for a decade or so and see if you can forget.

    I’m laughing tylaw, I’m laughing really, really loud.

    Your crow is served, please enjoy.

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    I am enjoying my team in the SB almost every year. It’s awesome. It’s all I can ask in the cap era.

    I know they’ll be in the title game next year, too. Good times. REALLY good times.

    Enjoy!

  38. therealtrenches says:
    February 6, 2018 at 10:56 am
    Too many people are mistaking any kind of ball movement in a players’ hands with “bobbling.” When a player is moving the ball around within his own grasp as Clement was, he is *controlling* the ball. He caught the ball against his own torso and forearm and used control to bring the ball in to secure it. And the ball’s security within Clement’s grasp was never even close to being in doubt.

    Also, he took three steps after initially securing the ball against his torso and forearm. Two of those were in bounds. That’s why the refs ruled it a catch. And they got it right.

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    This is false.

    pats had a 4th and 2 in Indy robbed from them and in the title game a fumble was called on Dion Lewis, when he never even fumbled the ball.

    You can’t keep changing how you want the rules applied based on who the team is.

    Clement moved his arms and the ball moved. He did this to make sure he could hold onto it, othwewise he wouldn’t have done it.

    You can’t lie and try to change facts.

    It was a clear incompletion, plain as day and Goodell cheated because he just announced this week they would look at the catch rule in the offseason, yet this one had nothing to do with “surviving the ground”. This has to do with full possession and two feet. He only had 1 foot down after final possession.

    These are facts.

  39. As a bengals fan I’ve always taken up for collinsworth as an analyst but he and michaels were so bad it was embarrassing. How do you not know your job and humiliate yourself in front of 100 million people? The matter was compounded in that he seemed to not let it go by bringing up the video several times over the course of the broadcast. The Clement td could’ve gone either way but they stayed with the on field ruling. Ertz’s td was so obvious he was a runner it was nauseating. Caught the ball, took three steps and then dove on his own into the end zone, how is that not a td? It felt like CC was ringside at Monday night raw instead of the Super Bowl. At worst it clearly showed bias toward bias toward the pats, at best he looked incompetent. I almost felt like he wanted to believe so bad he was right that the powers in New York would listen to him and overturn it. I mean did he have a big sum of money on the pats? If I was an Eagles fan I’d would have wanted to slap him on Sunday and that is exactly what you don’t want on the biggest stage when you must under no circumstances show any bias. Bottom line, the guys you pay millions to butcher the biggest game because this catch rules are idiotic and need to be eradicated now. A catch is a catch is a catch, ball don’t hit the ground and you got two feet down boom, deal with it. If it’s moving around but doesn’t hit the ground boom, who cares it’s a catch.

    Stop making the refs and the announcers look like fools because they can’t get on the same page to follow the over complicated rules the nfl have put in place.

  40. A peek into the future: This offseason, the NFL revamps the rules on what constitutes a catch. Sometime during the 2018 regular season, the Ravens will have a completion overturned by these new rules or one of their opponents will have a key reception upheld that would have been incomplete under the old rules. The Ravens owner will then call the catch rules “stupid.”

    This isn’t to say don’t try to find a solution if people think there’s a problem. It’s more that there is no perfect answer. Someone is going to be upset about the catch rules no matter what they are. Get ready to complain about this more next year.

  41. Are people still saying Jesse James call was wrong because his knee was down????? What. He was never touched. It isn’t college football. He wasn’t down just because his knee touched. Get out of here with that garbage. If this Wifert catch isn’t a touchdown the Ertz catch isn’t a touchdown.

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000541000/Bengals-Tyler-Eifert-overturned-TD-catch

    And I don’t even have a problem with the Ertz catch. I agree that “should” be a touchdown. Problem is precedence says that is not a touchdown. The clement one was far more egregious. The eagles didn’t h e enough players on the line of scrimmage on the folds touchdown catch, but no one cares. But when the pats do something there are millions of people scouring the rule book and watching every play to prove they were the beneficiary of bad officiating. But when their opponent gets away with one, “it’s just football”, “sometimes the calls go that way”, etc. which is right. It is just football. Sometimes those are the calls. It’s no grand conspiracy. So shut up already

  42. Tyfanboy:
    “Ertz was a runner and it was a TD. Clement did not hvae final possession with 2 feet down. Goodell cheated in the SB. Plain and simple.”

    So a Pats fan wants to complain about cheating?!

    This is rich!

    The fairweather NE fans are already disappearing. It’s great!

  43. There is an easy, simple solution to a problem created by technological overload.

    If replay exists to reverse calls where there is clear and convincing evidence of an incorrect call, then the replay official should be able to view all available angles – BUT – only at game speed.

    If an angle reveals a clear error at game speed, reverse it.

    This system upholds the purpose of replay while supporting the game officials. The problem with replay was exacerbated this season particularly as the head of officials in NY seemed to create his own standard that he could overturn any call he would have made differently – with the benefit of frame-by-frame, HD quality views from multiple angles. If the standard is to get every call exactly right all the time, then get used to Al Michaels complaining about endless reviews. If the goal is to correct obvious errors, this system will do it.

  44. Deb says:
    February 6, 2018 at 11:28 am

    And IMO, Steratore is the best ref in the league, so we had a cleanly called game.
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    You were going pretty good until that point.

  45. remizak says:
    February 6, 2018 at 9:13 am
    rgorr44 says:
    February 6, 2018 at 8:25 am

    Agree, needs to change. Good example is the end zone touchdown by Clement in the Super Bowl. This year that play is reviewed and called incomplete 100 percent of the time. Why change it now in the biggest game of the year? Typical gutless NFL. Caving in to media attention to the catch rule and god forbid the Patriots getting another favorable call. Not saying the Patriots deserved to win that game but they got screwed on that call.

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    I’m a Patriots fan and I don’t really agree that the Patriots got screwed on the Clement and Ertz TD calls. In the middle of the season, those would both have been overturned on review, but that’s because Riveron was doing all those excruciating frame-by-frame, multiple-angle reviews in NY and substituting his judgment for the call on the field.

    It became clear during the playoffs that somebody ordered Riveron to quit substitute his own judgment, and to defer to the call on the field unless the clear and compelling standard was met. So I think most fans knew during the conference championships and the Super Bowl that calls like those TD calls were going to stand, even if they almost certainly would have been overturned only a few weeks earlier.

    When you have the what’s-a-catch standard change, as a practical matter, *during* a season, it’s even more frustrating than the issue has been in previous seasons. I’m glad the League will look again, not that all controversy can ever be eliminated when we have the incredible video technology we have now.

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    This is absolutely preposterous on 2 levels:

    1. Rules are not changed in a season. They need to be voted on by 25/32 teams to pass. Goodell has changed rules during a season to cheat, so you have that going for you. lmao

    2. The catch in question on Clement, was not about “surviging the ground” like Sefarian-Jenkins and Jesse James’s were.

    This was a classic possession/look for 2 feet call and the NFL cheated the Pats again.

    Clement never would have moved his arms with the ball to corral the ball, if he had already corraled it.

    One foot down, is not a completion.

    This is a fact.

  46. tillabengalsfan says:
    February 6, 2018 at 10:01 am
    donterrelli says:
    February 6, 2018 at 8:19 am

    If that Zack Ertz TD was a catch and TD, then Jesse James’ catch was a TD.

    Wrong, James the ball hit James’ hands and he whirled toward the endzone and the ball came out when he hit the ground. Ertz caught the ball, took two steps, and dove for the endzone. One clearly established himself as a runner, the other failed to maintain control of a ball that had just hit his hands. This is not rocket surgery.

    ……………………………..

    Thank you!! As insane as the verbiage is that describes what is or is not a catch, that one part is simple; once it is, in fact a catch the receiver becomes a runner. Once the ball in the RUNNER’s hands crosses the goal line (even if it is just the nose of the ball that goes over) it is a Touchdown!

  47. johnodocks says:
    February 6, 2018 at 10:53 am

    No problems with the Ertz call. Clement’s was not a catch under any circumstance. His right hand came off the ball twice.
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    But that’s assuming you need to have two hands on the ball to say the receiver has possession of the ball. Beckham and other receivers have been ruled to be in possession of the ball with just one hand. Clements’s other hand looked like it was in control of the ball the whole time. Ball carriers often control the ball in one hand/arm while going to the ground so that they can use the other hand to brace themselves.
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    Incorrect. Watch it again. Clements makes the catch using his right hand to bring the ball into his body. His left hand is locked to his body by the defender. In pulling his left hand up to further secure the ball, his right hand loses control of the ball. The ball is then loose with neither hand securing it against his body, as he takes his last step in bounds. Not a catch.

  48. The rule should be as easy as this… two feet down, control the ball taking another step or when you hit the ground.

  49. Taking Ertz’s TD out of the conversation because he caught the ball at the 6 yard line and took three steps and dove in. Clearly that is a TD to any normal football fan.

    I can see why people are questioning Clement’s catch. That being said, I think the biggest difference between the James, Johnson, Bryant and Eifert plays are that they all lost the ball at the end (the ball hit the ground). In Clements case, it never touches the ground. Did it move a little bit yes, but he maintained possession throughout. To question how hard he had a grip on the ball is impossible to tell on replay.

    Because it is impossible to tell, the call on the field should stand. I get it that it was close, but it is football and the players not the officals should determine the outcome.

    [by the way I thought Eifert, James and Johnson and Dez were all catches]

  50. Obviously, as people have pointed out either directly or indirectly; it’s not the rule, it’s the interpretation and enforcement of the rule that needs to be sorted.

  51. As for how we fix this thing permanently … if the player gets two feet down with ball in hand, that should be the end of it. I’m tired of seeing a catch, then having someone say it wasn’t a catch because the ball squished out when a 200-pound receiver fell on it.
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    So by fixing one problem that way you just create another problem. Let’s say a receiver is hit while catching the ball and the ball comes loose. By your definition now there will be fighting over how long he held the ball before it can be considered a fumble or a incomplete pass. Then it becomes a judgement call which the NFL has been trying to eliminate. The make a football move or maintaining possession if going to the ground in the process of the catch was supposed to eliminate the judgement on how long the ball must be possessed before it can be considered a catch. Perhaps they should just better define what a football move is.

  52. tylawpick6 says:

    . . . This is absolutely preposterous on 2 levels:

    1. Rules are not changed in a season. They need to be voted on by 25/32 teams to pass. Goodell has changed rules during a season to cheat, so you have that going for you. lmao. . . .

    I said the rules were changed within the season IN EFFECT. I’m not saying that’s the way it’s supposed to happen. What happened, and we all saw it, is that Riveron was making calls based on his own frame-by-frame multi-cam five minute reviews of plays. Then, during the season that changed and he suddenly started using deferring to the call on the field. In fact, that’s not a rule change, but in effect it was because you saw calls that would have been overturned now standing.

    Nobody’s happy with a standard changing during the season, but that’s what happened because of Riveron. And we all saw that happen before the Super Bowl, so I think it was apparent that those Super Bowl TD calls were not going to be overturned, even though Riveron probably would have overturned at least the Clements TD call if he’d reviewed it in November. Of course, if Riveron had used his Super Bowl standard all season long, there would have been some overturned TD calls that would have been upheld, and that wouldn’t have benefitted the Patriots.

    Hey, I’m a Patriots fan, but I never expected for one minute that the Super Bowl TD calls would be overturned. It’s not because of animus against the Patriots, but because late in the season Riveron changed his standard of review for everybody.

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