Kyle Shanahan: First time I asked about trading Jimmy G, Belichick said no way

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The 49ers have their franchise quarterback in Jimmy Garoppolo, but it took some time to pry him away from the Patriots.

San Francisco coach Kyle Shanahan told Albert Breer of SI.com that he approached New England coach Bill Belichick at last year’s Scouting Combine and asked about Garoppolo, only to have Belichick shut him down quickly.

“I remember asking Bill personally down at the Combine about Jimmy, and very quickly he told me that wasn’t a possibility. So we moved on from that. He told me he wasn’t going to trade him,” Shanahan said.

So what changed in the eight months between the Combine and the trade deadline, when the Patriots agreed to send Garoppolo to San Francisco for a second-round draft pick? The ESPN article about friction in New England suggested that Robert Kraft forced Belichick to trade Garoppolo so there wouldn’t be an heir apparent to Tom Brady in the building. That’s one theory.

But it may simply be that Belichick saw the writing on the wall: With Garoppolo’s Patriots contract coming to an end, it wasn’t realistic to think they were going to spend the kind of money it would have taken to keep Garoppolo as Brady’s backup, and it would make more sense to spend that money on keeping a good roster around Brady. And so Belichick, who previously told the 49ers he wouldn’t let them have Garoppolo, changed his mind and changed the future of the 49ers franchise.

91 responses to “Kyle Shanahan: First time I asked about trading Jimmy G, Belichick said no way

  1. That makes sense about getting something for him, but Belicheck gave him away for a second round pick… there has to be more to the story.

  2. I think Bill didnt want to trade him in the offseason in case of a Brady decline. Bill looks to future and probably valued 10-15 years of JG over 2-3 of Brady some of which could be a decline. I dont think its crazy to think Kraft forced trading JG but I also dont think its crazy to think Bill held him in case of a Brady decline. Keeping JG wouldve forced a trade of Brady and taken up cap space as JGs contract is obviously higher than Bradys. I think they made the right move short term, whether Belichick was forced, we will find out based on how long he stays in NE and what moves he makes.

  3. My guess is that Belichick concluded that if Jimmy’s going anywhere, send him to the NFC. Rather than getting into a negotiating free for all where he could land anywhere and even be a direct competitor in the AFC East eg the New York Jets.

  4. I remember teams offering the Patriots a first round pick and the Patriots refused. There were even reports that they were looking for two 1st round picks, so basically, Jimmy G was never going to be traded…

    So this year, Belichick calls the 49ers and asks for a 2nd year pick, straight up. Not negotiating or anything. This is not Belichick style…

  5. People are too fixated on the 2nd round pick. I understand that it seems low based on Jimmy’s potential “playing ability”, but the price is dictated by leverage, not value. Mid season, with an expiring contract, and full knowledge that Patriots cannot have both Brady and Jimmy on starter contracts, Patriots just didn’t have the leverage for more.

  6. He was traded because Garoppolo wasnt interested in an extension, knowing Brady was putting up MVP numbers with no signs of slowing down.

    He was traded to the NFC because if he went to the Browns, there was risk of Garoppolo hitting FA and signing with any AFC team.

    Its all pretty simple really unless you choose to feed into the ESPN sensationalist bull carp.

  7. The compensation, not the timing is the baffling part. Even pre 5-0, Cleveland was willing to give up more for AJ McCarron. That is some really bad negotiating on Belichick’s part. one explanation for that part is he wanted everyone to know he had chosen the next great QB, so he put him in a good situation since he wasn’t going to stay in New England.

  8. “With Garoppolo’s Patriots contract coming to an end, it wasn’t realistic to think they were going to spend the kind of money it would have taken to keep Garoppolo as Brady’s backup.”

    And that’s as simple as it is. Not sure why people think there is some dark secret other than this reasonable explanation. As to why only a second? Had Belichick gotten a 1st from someone everyone would scream it was too much for an unproven QB, and since he got a 2nd now that Jimmy G has played well the Patriots got too little. Hindsight professionals everywhere….

  9. Yes, the Pats didn’t have much leverage when they dealt him. But that doesn’t answer the question of why they didn’t shop him. Bill made one call, and took the second.

  10. Maybe, just maybe, and the naysayers don’t want to believe it, Belichick wanted to do good by Jimmy G and traded him to a place that would maximize his talent.
    Shanahan is certainly a very good – great playcaller and this partnership will probably cement Belichicks legacy further, not tarnish it.
    Everything doesn’t have to be negative about Belichick.

  11. More likely Belichick increases the trade value of players by first saying no way to a trade. Plus it doesn’t get back to the player and let him know he’s on the block to keep it from affecting his attitude.

  12. Ryan Pace of the Bears has been criticized for not just giving up a 2nd for Garoppolo instead of the haul he gave up for Trubisky. This proves Garopollo wasn’t available when Pace had to make a move.

  13. Tammy crying like a little girl to Kraft behind the scenes to trade him is really pathetic beyond words.

  14. jarjarbinks1 says:
    February 10, 2018 at 1:44 pm
    Maybe, just maybe, and the naysayers don’t want to believe it, Belichick wanted to do good by Jimmy G and traded him to a place that would maximize his talent.
    Everything doesn’t have to be negative about Belichick.

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    I am seeing it this way too. They obviously really loved Garoppolo but they were looking at having to carry two franchise QB contracts at once. Not even Belichick could work that one out, no one could.

    So then it becomes a choice of either tossing JG to the highest bidder, see you later, or not. One thing I don’t see many people talking about is the way Belichick seems to really value finding people he can work with and trust in other organizations. I have the feeling that if the Pats come knocking somewhere down the road saying, we could really use some help getting this QB we’re after in the draft, could you help us work out this deal we’re trying to cut – no matter how much money JG is now costing SF, I think they rightly feel that Belichick did them a ‘solid’ and will be inclined to return the favor somehow.

    SF has to know the Pats could have gotten a bigger bounty for JG in a dozen different cities. They got him because BB wanted them to have him. I don’t see how they’ll forget that.

  15. Brady just won the League MVP and had the best passing performance in the Super Bowl.

    If the Patriots make it back to 2 more Super Bowls. Isn’t that worth 12 years of potential success with Jimmy G.

    My Guess is 3 more super bowl appearances and 5 more AFCCG appearances.

    I see him playing 8 more years.

  16. Because Brady is still the best QB in the league and was showing no signs of slowing down this season. Jimmy G could be a good QB or he could have a good season or two then burn out. Brady has had 16 great seasons and been to the SB for 50% of them. There are other Jimm G’s out there. There is only one Tom Brady.

  17. Is there that big of a mystery here? If they let him go in Free agency they would get an end of the 3rd round compensatory pick for him. Instead they got a top of the 2nd round pick. When the deal was made it was like a top 4 pick in the 2nd round. The Niners late season win streak dropped it down a bit. The Pats gambled they wouldn’t use Garrapollo anyway the rest of the year. They were right. Barely.

  18. There is little doubt now Garoppolo could have won the SB with Patriots this year. He beat Jacksonville’s defense more convincingly than Brady did in AFCC game, he would certainly not be outgunned by Nick Foles in the SB. Oh what could have been.

  19. rrbernier1 says:
    February 10, 2018 at 1:20 pm
    In a league where you are one play away from losing your starting QB. Why would you trade the only other QB on your roster?
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    Because keeping him would have cost $25 million plus bumping Brady up. Or risk losing him for a compensatory pick. In most cases you lose your starting QB you’re dead anyway (Philly being the exception)

  20. .
    Keeping Garopollo for half the year insured that the Patriots would not have a lost season. It is tragic when a QB for a playoff team goes down and the rest of the team goes down with him. Ask the Packers.
    .

  21. The cold, logical move would have been to move Brady and lock Jimmy up.

    I’m okay with the best quarterback ever getting to go out wearing only one uniform.

    Plus, there’s time to mentor another guy.

  22. He beat Jacksonville’s defense more convincingly than Brady did in AFCC game

    Jacksonville came to play. There’s no way of knowing. One game absolutely doesn’t translate meaning to another, particularly the championship game.

  23. The two biggest problems with this saga are Brady and Kraft. They conspired to keep Brady and get rid of Jimmy G. The trade value could have been much higher if Jimmy could have had a few more starts but Brady was not about to let that happen. Brady ran to Kraft and B.B. was told to ship Jimmy out . Bill was….not happy, so he had a pay back and Jimmy went for a SECOND round pick ! That second round pick looked great, because San Fransisco had zero wins at the time but Jimmy swept the table and won every game he started. The pick is still the ninth or tenth in the second… Bill wanted to go off into the sunset after winning four or five more Super Bowls with Jimmy but it was not to be.

  24. BB wasn’t going to trade him until the trade deadline. He’s all in to win. Wikersham’s article is illogical. BB and NE doesn’t start the guy they are in love with when he was under contract, 2014 – 2017. The player the media hates is the MVP in 2017, leads NE to two Super bowls and in 2017 completion %, yards per completion, and passer rating were better than his career average. In addition Brady was extended in Feb 2016 and gave NE a sweetheart deal. His cap hit for 2016 was 13 + million and 2017 cap hit 14 million.

  25. Worst trade Pats ever made. Could have had a #1 and a #2 from Cleveland. Why did Bill turn it down? Because he was fired by Cleveland, and Bill holds grudges .Even when it hurts himself and his team. One of his few coaching faults, but its a bad one.

  26. If you listen to Bill’s explanation he gave while on the radio one day, it was obvious that Garoppolo was not going to play for anything less than the maximum money. So good, he’s got his truckload of money now. Good luck building a decent team around him for a long period of time.

  27. TheWizard says:
    February 10, 2018 at 2:32 pm

    The cold, logical move would have been to move Brady and lock Jimmy up.

    I’m okay with the best quarterback ever getting to go out wearing only one uniform.

    Plus, there’s time to mentor another guy.

    They couldn’t move Brady in 2017, it would have cost them 28 million in dead cap. In 2018, it would cost them 14 million in dead cap to move Brady. Why one would move Brady, the MVP and franchise Jimmy G is baffling. NE would be at the cap and need to get rid of players under contract so they could pay draft picks. Then they’d be starting a player that had started very few games.

  28. Something had to happen for Belichick to pull the trigger on that trade. We may never find out what that something was,but Belichick doesn’t covet many players the way he did Garoppolo.

  29. What happened?

    Belichick didn’t want to hold him back.

    I think, in Bills eyes, he went to the team that could offer him the most as far as playtime, spotlight and probably salary, the team that could benefit Jimmy greatest.

    Just my opinion.

  30. tbisgod says:
    February 10, 2018 at 2:48 pm
    Worst trade Pats ever made. Could have had a #1 and a #2 from Cleveland. Why did Bill turn it down? Because he was fired by Cleveland, and Bill holds grudges .Even when it hurts himself and his team. One of his few coaching faults, but its a bad one.

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    The only problem with this logic is that the Cleveland Browns who fired Bill are now the Baltimore Ravens. Belichick was fired in 1995. In 1996 the Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens.
    But other than that, you’re spot on.

  31. Kraft used the ol…’I thought you groom good QB’s in your sleep’ angle as Bill stormed out. He probably sent the text to Shanahan right after he slammed the door to Kraft’s office. If Garoppolo takes Santa Claus to the playoffs next season, it will be the most talked about debacle of the Patriot reign.

  32. bradygirl12 says:
    February 10, 2018 at 3:05 pm
    Something had to happen for Belichick to pull the trigger on that trade. We may never find out what that something was,but Belichick doesn’t covet many players the way he did Garoppolo.

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    Actually we managed to get our hands on some documents (a calendar) that showed evidence that the trade deadline was looming. Also there is a rumor that JG was going to be a free agent at the end of the year. You could say no one would have wanted him but there has been some recent evidence that a team would have paid upwards of 137.5 million. As far as saying a second round pick was not much, there has been some math done that suggests its greater than zero. Also, if one looks closely at the league structure they can notice that the 49rs are an NFC team so JG will have to get into the SB for him to ever really haunt the Patriots. (Something Belichick might have worried about if like JG was good or something.)

  33. There was a time when Belichcik was running the show in New England. It produced the greatest dynasty in recent NFL history. Then Robert Kraft got a big head and took over the controls. The dynasty is over. I expect Belichcik will be announcing his retirement soon.

  34. charliecharger says:
    February 10, 2018 at 4:56 pm
    There was a time when Belichcik was running the show in New England. It produced the greatest dynasty in recent NFL history. Then Robert Kraft got a big head and took over the controls. The dynasty is over. I expect Belichcik will be announcing his retirement soon.

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    As said in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and now 2018.

    Soon to be said in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027. And then maybe by then it will be a different coach people are wishing would retire so they might have a chance.

  35. WWR-
    Been a Pats fan for 50 years, that doesn’t mean I have to live the delusional world of many NE fans. The team is great, doesn’t mean they don’t make mistakes. The made a bad trade, plain and simple. BB is the greatest coach ever in the NFL, but he’s not perfect. Also made a terrible move sitting Butler for the SB, probably cost them another trophy. TB and BB will be back fir another year, but this one slipped away.

  36. Shhhhhhhhhh, Bill is playing chess. He will trade JG to 9ers for a second rounder then get JG back the next year in FA. At least that what all the pat sheeple were saying😂

  37. Jimmy G gone…puff. Gronk concussed so many times hes looking at retirement. Connie Chung has he even regained consciousness yet from the Philly beat down? And then there is Tom trying to put on a happy face watching his personal ball boy get paid ..

  38. What was the relationship between Jimmy G and McDaniels? Could it be that part of the deal to keep McDaniels happy was giving him the opportunity to draft and groom his own QB so when the Belichek and Brady hang it up, these two step right in? Could be the writing was in the wall months ago so they moved when they could get something for him instead of waiting until the end of the season.

  39. Dillon Pauls says:February 10, 2018 at 1:24 pm
    “I remember teams offering the Patriots a first round pick and the Patriots refused.”

    =======================

    That’s just speculation. The simple fact could be that no one made the offer, at least not that high. We all just assume teams would offer that much for Jimmy. What if that never happened?

  40. Anyone who understands football would take Garoppolo over Brady. Brady could barely run that play where they threw it to him, Garoppolo walks in for a TD.

  41. Why one would move Brady, the MVP and franchise Jimmy G is baffling

    One is 26 years old, the other is 40. What’s baffling about that?

  42. You can’t have both QBs so you have a choice to keep the Greatest QB of all time for 3 more years or Keep a QB who made it through 2 games before he got hurt last year. They chose to keep the GOAT and draft another QB this year. If they had traded Brady they don’t even make it to the Superbowl and the longer they hold on to Jimmy the less he is worth so It looks like they made the right decision. The majority of the people ripping the move aren’t Pats fans so that tells me they did the right thing again. Thanks BB

  43. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    February 10, 2018 at 2:23 pm
    There is little doubt now Garoppolo could have won the SB with Patriots this year. He beat Jacksonville’s defense more convincingly than Brady did in AFCC game, he would certainly not be outgunned by Nick Foles in the SB. Oh what could have been.
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    Garropolo is great no doubt but this post could not be further from the truth. It was the Pats defense that let them down, not Brady.

  44. Sorry JarJar even I can’t buy into that. Tom played a great SB game. I can name 5 QB’s better than Jimmy G and 2 are in Philly. 5 years from now Garoppalo might be be better than Tom but right now this Tom’s world and EVERY other QB in this league lives in it. Tom’s THE BEST. Deal with it.

  45. Problem for NE now is you need to pay him. DA is gonna be looking for some money this year too. I’m curious to see who gets more Danny A or Jarvis Landry.

  46. Brady dominated as usual despite losing Crooks to an illegal hit to the head. Looking forward to three picks in the first two rounds. Last years two top picks were on IR all year, Edelman, Hightower Back. Things could be worse. Hoyer is a capable back up!

  47. We all wish Jimmy G the best of luck here in NE—we really do. But Brady wrecked the plan by remaining awesome longer than what is considered normal, so Jimmy had to go. It’s that simple.

    Odds are, barring injury (which Brady is very good at avoiding), Jimmy G will be a very good NFL QB, and maybe even a great one. The “maybe” part is more unlikely than it looks right now, but that’s just reality. Would have loved to have kept him around. Great is reserved for very few though, so time will have to tell.

    How many Tom Brady’s have you seen in history? Exactly 1. It’s that rare. Don’t be duped by pretend Patriot fans touting “the system”. Brady is the system.

    Feels like 2-3 more years and it’s over, but what an historic ride. It created a nation of excuse mongers who’ll twist themselves in knots attempting to denounce this run as long as they live. We in NE will continue to be witness to their dysfunction—and smile.

  48. I think this pretty much confirms now that it was Tommy B. running behind Belichick’s back to Kraft and crying that he couldn’t have the next golden boy looking over his shoulder, that caused the trade. But why should this surprise anyone?

    Meanwhile, these arrogant pre-Super-Bowl Pats fans seem to be scarce these days. Wonder why? Is tylawspick6 still hiding under the bed? tedmurph weeping with shame still? Just wondered.

  49. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    February 10, 2018 at 7:30 pm
    I think this pretty much confirms now that it was Tommy B. running behind Belichick’s back to Kraft and crying that he couldn’t have the next golden boy looking over his shoulder, that caused the trade. But why should this surprise anyone?

    Meanwhile, these arrogant pre-Super-Bowl Pats fans seem to be scarce these days. Wonder why? Is tylawspick6 still hiding under the bed? tedmurph weeping with shame still? Just wondered
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    I hear that out of 32 teams in the whole world only one team can win the Super Bowl. Sounds like it may be pretty hard.

    31 teams fail each year pal, hen hey start over.

    I’m guessing you’re an Eagles fan this year.

  50. Not sure why Kyle would divulge this information. I don’t think it adds value to his relationship with Bill. Player availability for trades should be between the coaches and organizations. Not for public consumption.

  51. I feel like this is a simple story getting overcomplicated. You’re going into 2017 with Jimmy looking good in practice and a handful of games, backing up a 40 year old, but the 40 year old isn’t good, he’s not great, he’s a LEGEND, and has done more on the field for this Patriots franchise, and most other franchises for that matter, than arguably ANYONE. This is like Jim Thorpe alive in your locker room. This guy will have babies and pets and streets and awards named after him. One thing I fully agree with the Krafts on: Tom Brady has earned the right to dictate his exit. Who, in our lifetimes, will ever do more for the New England Patriots? Serious question. I’ll wait… The answer is “NOBODY.” This guy deserves to say when and how he’s going to leave. You know he won’t embarrass himself and stick around if he’s mediocre, they trust him. I hope Jimmy G goes and becomes a Hall of Famer, but he probably won’t be in Brady’s air when it’s said and done. And even in the present, Brady just won the MVP at 40, probably would have ring #6 and SB MVP #5 if he had a defense behind him, and if nothing else, he saved the Pats from what could have been an embarrassing blowout. Tommy rides into the sunset on his terms, period.

    So Belichick, like all of us, wondered if Brady might fall off, but he was in the MVP race and looked to be defying time. Meanwhile time was up with Garoppolo. Belichick knew or was told that the Krafts expected Brady to go out a Patriot, so now you have to move Jimmy. Unfortunate timing, probably could have gotten more in the spring, and now you’re stuck trading an expiring contract with half a season left, so that’s why you only get a second rounder. Seems pretty logical to me.

  52. “That makes sense about getting something for him, but Belechick gave him away for a second round pick… there has to be more to the story.”

    Not really. If BB waiting he was risking potentially getting nothing for JG. And with Brady playing so well they weren’t going to waste the money signing JG to a big money contract to play back up for 2-3 more years. Shanahan was chomping at the bit so it made sense to take the deal on the table, recoup the 2nd rounder and utilize the pick in this years draft. Smart move under the circumstances.

  53. jarjarbinks1 says:
    February 10, 2018 at 5:47 pm
    patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    February 10, 2018 at 2:23 pm
    There is little doubt now Garoppolo could have won the SB with Patriots this year. He beat Jacksonville’s defense more convincingly than Brady did in AFCC game, he would certainly not be outgunned by Nick Foles in the SB. Oh what could have been.
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    Garropolo is great no doubt but this post could not be further from the truth. It was the Pats defense that let them down, not Brady.

    ————

    So Brady couldn’t score more TDs than a backup QB and managed to fumble the football to seal the loss but it is somehow Pat defense’s fault.

  54. Former backup quarterbacks like Tyrod Taylor of Baltimore got $15 million per year as a free agent from his current team the Buffalo Bills. Jimmy G would likely get at least that much even if he wasn’t traded to Frisco and won 5 games in a row. That much money would of course be too much to spend on a backup QB, especially when Tom Brady is playing well and is injury free. Keeping Jimmy G may actually make it harder for New England to win the Super Bowl since that much money would allow them to pay several talented players on OL, DL, LB, WR and RB. Before the season began, however, there is no incentive to trade him since they need a backup and he was still getting paid on his rookie contract.

  55. I’m sorry. Not enough for Jimmy G. Who cares where they send him. Top ten number one pick plus more is what he’s worth

  56. Jimmy G wouldn’t have commanded this money because he wouldn’t have seen any game time, sitting behind Brady. He would have chased the biggest contract offered to him, but it woudn’t have come from the Patiots. He would have probably made middle-of-the-road starter money from a bad team that needs a QB. But he wouldn’t have been the highest paid QB in the league.

  57. What’s really frightening is how close Pats were to seceding Brady’s epic 17 year run with a 26 year old Garoppolo. Rest of the AFC should be thankful to the niners for rescuing them from that nightmare.

  58. if he only gets Tyrod Taylor type money ($15 mil a year), then teams like Jacksonville, Minnesota, Denver, Arizona, and of course the 49ers would be interested. Competition would likely bump up his value above $15 million, although I do agree 100% that he would not have gotten the highest pay for any NFL player without the 5 game winning streak and 3 straight wins against playoff bound teams. However, free agency has not started. We have no idea how much New Orleans or another team will pay free agent Drew Brees and how much Kirk Cousins will get. Jimmy G’s status as highest paid NFL player ever may be short lived.

  59. It’s this simple: impossible to keep JG and TB because of Jimmy’s contract status. Which forces one to choose. Between an MVP still at peak performance and incidentally the best QB ever, or a kid with five games experience. Duh.

  60. tbisgod says:
    February 10, 2018 at 5:18 pm
    WWR-
    Been a Pats fan for 50 years…
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    I doubt you have even been alive for 30 years Colts fan.

  61. The only problem with this logic is that the Cleveland Browns who fired Bill are now the Baltimore Ravens. Belichick was fired in 1995. In 1996 the Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens.
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    Yes and no. The Cleveland Browns never fired Bill Belichick. The Browns ceased to exist after December 1995; Belichick was told he would not be coming along to Baltimore by Art Modell in February 1996. You could say he was fired by Modell, or even the Ravens. But he wasn’t fired by the Browns, no matter how great/funny a story it may be. The Browns didn’t even exist at the time.

  62. Seems a bit odd on the surface I’ll admit. Even at mid season the browns would likely have given away more as I recall (possibly incorrectly) that they had offered more for the bumbled McCarron trade…but for those saying Belichick is propped up by Brady I say that’s nonsense. He was 11-5 with Matt Freaking Cassell. And as the Head Coach of the Browns I personally watched his squad beat the Steelers in a playoff game in Pittsburgh with Kelly Holcomb if it weren’t for a dropped Dennis Northcutt long ball at the end of the game. This pains me to say as a die hard Steeler fan but let’s be honest. Tom Brady is probably the best ever but Bill will have his team in the hunt every year regardless. It’s a match made in heaven that rarely comes along. They’re both lucky to have been joined at the hip for this long. Give them BOTH some credit.

  63. Pats should have kept Jimmy G. He has that it factor like Joe Montana. Speaking of Joe, he was 4-0 in Super bowls. Brady is now tied for the most losses in Super Bowl history. Brady is great no doubt but Montana is still GOAT..

    Thanks Bill for sending Jimmy GQ to the Niners !

  64. Yes. The Pats getting some compensation for a guy that was going to walk at the end of the season is bad business.

    The Niners making JG the highest paid player in the NFL with 6 1/2 games is good business.

    Because JG has the ‘it factor’…let’s see mid way through next season how that ‘it factor’ is coming along!!!

  65. @atheistsareidiots

    Your facts are alternative facts.

    Jim Kelly started 4 Super Bowl games lost by the Bills. Tom Brady has started SB games lost by the Pats. Brady is tied with Fran Tarkenton for the 2ND most losses among QB starters in SB.

    Other real facts of which you are likely unaware. Tom Brady has 8 Super Bowl starts as a QB and 5 Super Bowl wins as a QB. #1 among QB for both.

    Believe it or not, helping your team reach the Super Bowl, win or lose really is better than not getting there at all.

    Kelly and Tarkenton were great HOF QBs.

    Tom Brady is the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time, and Jim Brown as the 2nd greatest is not even close anymore.

  66. Everyone is fixated on the compensation. A high 2nd rounder, but with the ability to send the guy to a place he wanted to go, to a team in the opposite conference with LOTS of cap space and a long term need at QB. I’d rather take that than a first rounder that ends up with him not signing and going to the Jets in a year or two

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