Willie McGinest: Josh McDaniels told me he’s “absolutely not” guaranteed to succeed Belichick

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Josh McDaniels spurned the Colts’ head coaching job to remain the Patriots’ offensive coordinator despite having no assurance that he’ll become the head coach of the Patriots some day.

Former Patriot Willie McGinest said on NFL Network that he spoke to McDaniels about it after McDaniels decided to remain in New England, and McDaniels told him there is “absolutely not” any type of guarantee that McDaniels will be the heir apparent to Bill Belichick.

McGinest added that there is also “no handshake deal” between McDaniels and Patriots owner Robert Kraft. McDaniels insisted to McGinest that it’s simply about preferring to remain in New England with people he trusts, including Belichick and Kraft, and not about being promised that Belichick will hand the reins over.

“At some point Belichick may retire but it’s not gonna be in the contract and you’re not gonna tell him when he’s gonna retire,” McGinest said of the potential succession plans.

McGinest did indicate that McDaniels has been told he’ll have job security in New England, but that might be just as an assistant and never as the head coach.

“He wanted stability,” McGinest said. “The best place for him, where he wanted to be, where he wanted to stay, was in New England.”

82 responses to “Willie McGinest: Josh McDaniels told me he’s “absolutely not” guaranteed to succeed Belichick

  1. Kraft talked McDaniels into staying. In other words, Kraft encouraged McDaniels to break a promise that McDaniels made to one of Kraft’s fellow owners.
    So even if Kraft did promise McDaniels the HC gig, that promise would not mean anything. These guys don’t value promises.

  2. No guarantees are handed out down in the cheese factory. If Josh continues to do his job well, he will be in strong consideration. Bill Belichick is committed to a level of excellence that has never been seen before in the NFL, but that just makes it harder for the guy who follows him. Mr Kraft was able to entice Josh to stay for less money and less power than was offered in in Indy because he is the best owner and is committed to winning, but Josh also knows the difficulty of turning around a loser team like the Colts.

  3. No matter what you think of Josh McDaniels, he’s not a complete idiot. He’s not going to tell someone in the media that the Patriots are ignoring the Rooney Rule, or that there is a timetable for Belichick. Are you serious? Are we complete idiots out here?

  4. What’s so hard to figure out? The only mystery is why he’d even entertain a head coaching gig with that disaster in Indy when he already has the second best coaching job in the league.

  5. .
    It’s going to be interesting to see if Luck comes back from injury and if that played a role in McDaniels decision. Or, did family concerns intervene? However, one other factor to consider is that if things went south in Indy, his NFL career would probably be over. With New England he essentially will have a job for life.
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  6. very wise move

    the idea that indy could force him to sell out,
    was stlll a headscratcher after they were caught colluding
    with goodell in a federal court to cheat the pats

    honorable move to think of your family and realize trust and
    environment is vital for success

    the clots are a walking dumpster fire

    who in their right mind would go there?

  7. I’m sure there was a very real commitment but McDaniels of all people should no the value of a man’s word.

  8. Haters gonna hate.

    NE, with the enabling press, sucks all the O2 out of the air – including that in the vicinity of those who made the above posts.

    McDaniels wisely has made no public comments (that I know of.) McGinest is relaying what McDaniels told him. But posters know all about everything. Yah.

  9. suncawy says:
    February 10, 2018 at 9:34 am
    Well, that’s good that he wants to remain in New England because he’s not going to get any other coaching job in 31 other cities.

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    This point of view really cracks me up.
    When another club decides Josh is the coach that can take them to promised land, they’re not going to care that he changed his mind about signing a contract with the Colts.

  10. I’d think what McDaniels pulled was shady, if it wasn’t the Colts. But the Colts deserve everything that comes to them after that Deflategate BS. “The rivalry is back on.” Lmao. Just lmao.

  11. Go ahead Willie and keep believing what you hear out of the patriot organization. See how far that gets you.

  12. steaksandwichandsteaksandwich says: “Kraft talked McDaniels into staying. In other words, Kraft encouraged McDaniels to break a promise that McDaniels made to one of Kraft’s fellow owners.”
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    McDaniels was still under contract with the Patriots. As employer, Kraft has EVERY RIGHT to talk to his employee and try to retain his services by offering more.

  13. Even if McDaniels wasn’t a liar the ridiculous Rooney Rule would prevent him from telling the truth in this matter.

    The ironic part is if McDaniels was black he could say “Yes, I will replace Belichik when he retires”. But since he’s white, the Rooney Rule puts him in a situation where he couldn’t tell the truth if he wanted.

  14. Wouldnt describe that opportunity as “succeeding Belichick”. Both because its not likely to be successful and the real person he would be following is Brady and without Brady, Belichick is just another coach who likes to push the envelope on sportsmanship.

  15. And we’re supposed to believe him? Or you? No one with a past or present connection with this organization can be trusted. History has proven that – time and time again.

  16. Wow, Bill isn’t even out and they are trying to act like they are upholding the Rooney Rule for when they eventually get a new HC, with Willie as their spokesperson.

  17. To all you Patriot fans celebrating because Kraft and McDaniels screwed the Colts to get revenge for deflategate.

    Deflategate was real because

    Grigson suspected it
    A guy called himself the deflator
    The deflator took footballs without permission
    Deflator lies about it and said he used a urinal that didn’t exist
    Suspicious texts
    Pats not fully cooperating
    Brady not fully cooperating
    Brady lied about knowing deflator and his role

    If none of the above happens then Brady is likely innocent

    Instead Patriots claim conspiracy theory and science which not one of the scientists tested the footballs used in the AFCCG

    So if you’re happy the Colts got screwed then you don’t care about the integrity of the game. Like the Patriots it’s all about winning at any and all costs.

    Karma will make a comeback and when you continually screw people it will eventually catch up with you.

    Ballard who replaced Grigson was mending fences with the Pats. But clearly the Pats still don’t care to play by the rules.

  18. I love that this loyalty and logical (if ill timed) decision gets under Pats haters skin so much. If it was a solid coach who’s the right hand man for your HOF QB sticking around I’m betting you’d feel differently.

    Y’all know barring injury McDaniels staying all but guarantees another pro bowl year for Brady AGAIN next year. Stings, doesn’t it?

  19. The Colts are always the victims. Stop it. It’s not like McDaniels was sitting in a lounge chair by a pool casually processing his decision and putting the pieces in place. The Colts hired those coaches and brought them to Indy before they hired McDaniels. They have been evasive and not trustworthy about Luck from the start. And the agent with the obvious conflict of interest is the sleazy one. Did he put words in McDaniels’ mouth and encourage his other client, Ballard to pressure him with premature actions, knowing that McDaniels was a little distracted with playoff football?

  20. Pats fans defending a man’s lack of integrity is hilarious. It would be illogical to think the Colts went out and hired McDaniels preferred assistants and ended their HC search without a commitment from him, verbal or otherwise. He not only crapped on the Colts, he crapped on those coaches whom they hired to work for him. How do you suppose that will effect his ability to hire assistants in the future? No one will trust his word.

    IMO, any person who defends anothers lack of integrity shows their own lack of integrity.

  21. 2 things: I didn’t know anything coming a former Pats stiff meant anything. Two, McDaniels was so smart he tabbed Tebow as his franchise QB. What an offensive genius.

  22. I love that this loyalty and logical (if ill timed) decision gets under Pats haters skin so much. If it was a solid coach who’s the right hand man for your HOF QB sticking around I’m betting you’d feel differently.

    Y’all know barring injury McDaniels staying all but guarantees another pro bowl year for Brady AGAIN next year. Stings, doesn’t it?

    “”””””

    No Colts fan are thrilled we dodged a bullet. At the end of the day McD showed his continued lack of maturity and arrogance. Most Colts fans were leery of McD but we were trusting Ballard.

    Colts fans aren’t angry that McD didn’t keep his word, but that he put the Colts behind the 8 ball with his last minute decision. Colts fans are happy he trashed his reputation by not keeping his word. Makes the evil empire continue to look like cheaters.

    Patriot fans always point to the scoreboard. The Patriot scoreboard I see is tainted.

    And nice giving McD credit for Brady. We’ve been telling you all along he’s not the greatest.

  23. PresidentTrumpIsRightRespectYourCountryAndFlag says:
    February 10, 2018 at 9:36 am
    JM is not head coaching material, its already been proven!

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    JM has lied like Bill Belichick, he has cheated like Bill Belichick and he has been fired like Bill. He might not be head coaching material elsewhere, but its already been proven he fitsright in with an organization that honors cheating and lying like the Kraft and his Pats.

  24. patsfiend says:
    Y’all know barring injury McDaniels staying all but guarantees another pro bowl year for Brady AGAIN next year. Stings, doesn’t it

    And another beat down from the Eagles, if the pats make it back.
    Now I’ll bet that really stings.

  25. Josh will have his challenges when he replaces B.B. most notably at qb. He will be where many teams are..finding a qb. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn’t . Will be interesting to watch

  26. McDaniels as head coach showed he’s an immature egomaniac, he continued his cheating ways in Denver, all his assistants hated him, gave up 3 draft picks to draft Tebow in first round, once his OC contract was up in St. Louis he joined the Patriots just before a divisional playoff vs the Tebow led Broncos (Only with NE does this happen). Now in Indy he went back on his verbal agreement to join Indy, threw his new assistants under the bus, didn’t even contact his assistants about his 180 until after his change of mind was public.
    You can have him New England, he fits in perfectly with that franchise.

  27. There is an exception to the Rooney rule

    “Several years ago, Eric DeCosta and the Baltimore Ravens reached agreement that DeCosta would succeed Hall of Famer and legendary General Manager Ozzie Newsome when Newsome steps down,” the Fritz Pollard Alliance said in a statement released on Tuesday. “Under Rooney Rule protocol, when a Club has established a firm succession plan that involves an internal coach or executive replacing a departing Head Coach or General Manager, no external search is required. Examples of such circumstances include Jim Caldwell’s succession of Tony Dungy as head coach of the Indianapolis Colts and Jim Mora’s succession of Mike Holmgren as head coach of the Seattle Seahawks.”

  28. Theevidencesaysotherwise says:
    February 10, 2018 at 12:04 pm
    Pats fans having been defending the lack of integrity of Kraft, Belicheat, and Brady so it’s no surprise you are defending McDouche.

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    Except it turned out it was the Colts that were lying to him. They told him Luck was fine and he would have his QB. But now we know he is not and its very much up in the air if Luck will ever pkay again. The doctors that are treating him are expressing their doubts. The Colts knew that the whole time. (They knew it all last year when laying that line of their fans for tickets sales too). So Josh pulled back from the guys he caught in a lie.

    Meanwhile Kraft and Zbelichick tell him he is wanted, can get a raise, and some career training from Belichick (which is no small thing). But thry cant promise him anything beyond those things. So in telling him that truth he knew these were the guys he could trust. Re-read the article you can see he is saying as much.

  29. McDaniels is the 4rth guy to pull his name from the Colts search this offseason.. not the first one.

    If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a thousands times. There is a much bigger story here and it has something to do with the Colts front office since Coaches are running from that job like it’s Tokyo and the Colts are Godzilla. The last team to have this issue was the 2014 Browns and it eventually came back that the front office was acting like jerks who wanted to tell the coach how to coach to the candidates resulting in no one wanting to work with them.

    These quotes of “just wanting stability” sound like the same thing is happening there. Ballard didn’t exactly convince anyone that he had any business sense during that press conference. He definitely came off sounding like a coach (what he was) talking down to players when discussing the situation.

  30. don’t be surprised it mcdaniels and kraft stab belichick in the back. Krafty Bob and McWeasel are plotting and scheming as we speak.

  31. I’m still laughing about the Dolts without a coach and a quarterback. Maybe they should send their first round pick to the Bengals for the comedy team of Dalton and Lewis.

  32. People who keep bringing up the Rooney Rule clearly don’t understand it.

    There is a provision in place that exempts teams who name a successor who is currently on staff. Patriots could have named Josh the successor if they wished.

  33. zeke2517 says:
    February 10, 2018 at 3:48 pm
    Ha!
    Handshake deal…

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    More like a reach around ….the rules.

  34. Some of the comedy in this is all the Colts fans that were previously annointing McDaniels both saint and savior are not all spewing such poison.

    Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned – William Congreve

  35. Can’t let the head of the opponents defensive spying department go but happy to relieve the one that got fooled by the eagles mock walk through. It makes perfect sense now why the patriots couldn’t stop Nick Foles, they were spying on the wrong thing and outsmarted themselves. Haha nice job guys, serves you right

  36. waterisforfighting says:
    February 10, 2018 at 10:13 am
    I like all these other fan bases ragging on JM. As if you wouldn’t be excited to have him be the HC of your team if your guy left…..
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    Not a chance. Players usually don’t want to work for a guy whose word is no good, unless that guy is behind someone they respect (which I suspect is the case in New England–the players respect BB, and for good reason, and may ignore JM).

    I’m not crazy about my team’s coach, but he does have a ring, he keeps the team in contention, and his players seem to respect him and play well (at times) for him.

  37. Yeah, I’m going to take an ex-Patriot’s word about what a known egotist, liar, and promise-breaker who is with the Patriots said to him.

    Yeah. Sure. Right. Uh huh.

    Now if McDaniels says this to an ex-Colt with no ax to grind with Colts management, I’m listening. Not believing, but listening.

  38. It’s just so good to see McDaniels doing what’s right for his family and not just jumping at the money like everyone else in pro sports. Very refreshing for a change. The guy is a clas act. Thanks J Mac

  39. It would be amusing to see every potential minority candidate refuse to interview with the Patriots just so they can tick off the Rooney Rule box.

    Everyone with half a brain can see the fix is in…

  40. Im by no means a McDaniles or Patriots fan I think his move was trash. However, for everyone clamoring about the Rooney rule it doesn’t apply if the replacement is in house and being promoted and written in contract. This applies to coaches, GMs, etc.

    Just saying.

  41. “thelongestgoodbye says:
    February 11, 2018 at 10:47 am
    Im by no means a McDaniles or Patriots fan I think his move was trash. However, for everyone clamoring about the Rooney rule it doesn’t apply if the replacement is in house and being promoted and written in contract. This applies to coaches, GMs, etc.”

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    Read the title of the article….

  42. @kreplachistan

    The title of the article is here say and third hand. I’m not commenting on the article, my comment is to the thread of responses citing the Rooney Rule. No one knows what his contract will say or read

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