Owners table discussion of Josh McDaniels rule

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The NFL’s owners considered on Tuesday a so-called Josh McDaniels rule, which would allow teams to hire as head coaches assistant coaches from other teams before those teams have concluded a playoff run. The owners decided to consider the proposal again in the future.

The rule has been tabled until the May meeting, which often becomes a graceful way of killing a proposal.

Colts G.M. Chris Ballard, whose team was directly impacted by McDaniels’ decision not to sign a contract to which he had unofficially agreed before his current team, the Patriots, played in Super Bowl LII, was opposed to the rule change.

“When you’re a playoff team, you’re trying to eliminate all the distractions that you can,” Ballard said Tuesday, via the Indianapolis Star. “And we’re going to be a playoff team and we’re going to have these issues. It becomes a slippery slope. We have rules in place for a reason. I think they’re good rules. It gives you a chance to interview and then, after the season, whatever happens, happens. In our case, he changed his mind and we moved on.”

Appearing on PFT Live, Ballard expressed relief that McDaniels opted not to follow through on the tentative decision to take the Colts job; basically, Ballard believes it was better that someone who wasn’t truly all in realize it now and not a year or a month or even a day after signing the contract. If teams were permitted to harvest a signature before a candidate’s playoff run ends, the candidate possibly wouldn’t realize that he’s not fully committed to the job until it’s too late.

Of course, having the moment of clarity that comes from having pen to paper come sooner than later could force a guy who isn’t all in to say so before, for example, staff members are hired under the assumption that the candidate will take the job. To get to that point, however, a franchise that is singularly focused on the task at hand of preparing for and winning playoff games will necessarily be forced to act, at the risk of creating distractions and disruptions.

Given that the league is constantly concerned about the unintended consequences of any and all changes, this one could end up creating plenty of messes for organizations that try to convince an assistant coach to not leave — especially if the efforts to get him not to leave fail.

35 responses to “Owners table discussion of Josh McDaniels rule

  1. Yeah, the Colts should be happy McDaniels decided to run home to mommy. His first season in Denver he was only 8-8. His next season he went 3-9 before being fired. He’s only highly-regarded for one reason–Tom Brady is the QB. You could have Donald Duck as the OC and they’d still win.

  2. Why not go the other way. No coaching changes until a week after the Superbowl? Why should the losing teams benefit with a head start?

  3. Just make everyone wait till after the Super Bowl for all of it. Why is that so hard?
    How about we forget about the dead week between Championship games and “The Big Game”?
    That would save us all a week.

  4. The average Joe Schmoe coach gets screwed more than the team.

    The Colts were left at the altar. How many times has this happened?

    It’s the COACHES that get screwed. They get bypassed because of their success. You think if it favored the owners it would have been tabled? They don’t care, the Colts were the exception, not the rule.

    Can’t believe this has become a ‘pro-team’ thing (thus called the Josh McD rule) when it should be a ‘pro-coach’ thing (pick one that lost out).

  5. Well there are two reasons. The main one is Bill Belichick. I don’t know that he will succeed a second stint without papa bear. He just doesn’t have the leadership temperament.

  6. whenwilliteverend says:
    March 27, 2018 at 5:05 pm

    You could have Donald Duck as the OC and they’d still win.
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    Sounds like the Manning Colts.

  7. In my opinion they should disallow the hiring of any coaches until after the Super Bowl. Any coach hiring while games are still ongoing would then be deemed interim only and no contract binding beyond.

  8. Why not just have all teams wait till the Tuesday or Wednesday after the super bowl to recruit and attempt to hire coaches. This would remove the chance of distraction for the coach who is being poached allowing them to stay more in the moment benefitting the team to which they are currently employed.

    The browns don’t need a head start just to hire a new disappointment…

  9. It’s funny that all rules changes somehow try to invalidate what Patriots do. It’s getting silly. Patriots pass defenders play physical against Colts and that’s followed by an edict to call everything pass interference or illegal contact. Tuck rule changed. The catch rule only changed after Pittsburgh loss to NE. Now, we’re onto McDaniels. Of course, if you want to go back to ancient history, Don Shula got rule changed making it illegal to use a machine during a timeout to clear snow after Patriots beat him with a machine and a John Smith field goal. Of course, it wasn’t illegal to film from the sidelines until it was.

  10. Why not go the other way. No coaching changes until a week after the Superbowl? Why should the losing teams benefit with a head start?
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    Teams can’t sign free agents for over a month after the Super Bowl. Unless someone is already a FA or re-signing with their current team. So how about no hiring coaches until after the SB unless a team is promoting someone already on the coaching staff or hiring someone from outside the NFL.

  11. Right, because there are no distractions from interviewing people, and agreeing to terms behind closed doors with a nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

    Makes perfect sense. Many have said it here, defer all coaching hires until after the SB. No interviews. No hires. Break the rule you lose a first round draft choice.

  12. pastabelly says:
    March 27, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    It’s funny that all rules changes somehow try to invalidate what Patriots do.
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    What’s even funnier is that it never works.

  13. There have been enough times a team has been all set to hire a coach when a coach they like better suddenly comes available. Or a coach has to hang loose whether he will get a job while the team waits to see if another coach they like better will come available. And avfew other scenarios. Its been the coaches that have had the tough situations far more than the teams. Its not until the Colts got impacted (the first time I know if where a team git bit) that this was suddenly a big deal.

    All that could be solved by having everything (interviews, hirings, everything) wait until the week after the superbowl. Let black monday go by then start the (equivalent of) FA season for coaching positions start a couple days after.

  14. Art of the crowd says:
    March 27, 2018 at 6:11 pm
    All that could be solved by having everything (interviews, hirings, everything) wait until the week after the superbowl. Let black monday go by then start the (equivalent of) FA season for coaching positions start a couple days after.
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    Black Monday is the day after the last regular season game. The week after the SB would be 6 weeks later.

  15. As Bill Belichick showed with the Jets, even a signed contract won’t necessarily stop coaches from backing out at the last second, or even during the introductory press conference.

  16. pastabelly says:
    March 27, 2018 at 5:30 pm
    It’s funny that all rules changes somehow try to invalidate what Patriots do. It’s getting silly.
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    It’s funny how arrogant a team gets when they win. Everything does not revolve around the Patriots. Some rule changes were made because of other teams- the Seahawks DBs committed a penalty nearly every play and that’s why the rule was changed. The tuck rule change was because everyone and their grandmother recognized that should have been a fumble by rule. The catch rule was tinkered with because of a million discussions from furious fans of all 32 teams that at one point got screwed by that rule.

  17. Michael Stone says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:14 pm
    It’s funny how arrogant a team gets when they win. Everything does not revolve around the Patriots.
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    Given their success they’re remarkably unarrogant as a team. And Brady’s 8 SB appearances in 16 seasons, and the massively lopsided league’s attacks on them (eg, spygate on Pats when Jets were forgiven and Dolphins players’ later admission of using secret Brady recordings in 2008 to cause false starts were ignored; and the evidence-free PSIgate on Pats when Aaron Rodgers’ own PSI admission was ignored) and the hugely disproportionate media interest and number of PFT comments that Pats threads generate, all demonstrate the NFL world does absolutely revolve around that team.

  18. Maybe don’t announce someone as your head coach before they’ve signed the contract. Its simple good business sense not to do so.

  19. Given their success they’re remarkably unarrogant as a team. And Brady’s 8 SB appearances in 16 seasons, and the massively lopsided league’s attacks on them (eg, spygate on Pats when Jets were forgiven and Dolphins players’ later admission of using secret Brady recordings in 2008 to cause false starts were ignored; and the evidence-free PSIgate on Pats when Aaron Rodgers’ own PSI admission was ignored) and the hugely disproportionate media interest and number of PFT comments that Pats threads generate, all demonstrate the NFL world does absolutely revolve around that team.

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    8 super Bowl appearances are because Brady and his coach are both great but also because the AFC east is a doormat.
    Brady lost all chance at appeal when never gave over his cell phone. Innocent people don’t do that.
    The Pats stole defensive signals in the 2004 Super Bowl. The league burned the evidence rather than reveal the big game was tampered with. So they weren’t held accountable for that. Nice the Eagles got some revenge 13 years later.
    The Dolphins recording Brady is pure fiction as far as I can tell. Not sure where you heard that but there are zero reports about this. A conspiracy so big no one knows about it.

  20. “Brady lost all chance at appeal when never gave over his cell phone. Innocent people don’t do that.”

    Actually he gave his cell phone to Ted Wells, who thoroughly examined it and returned it to Brady. Brady then specifically told Wells at a later point he intended to destroy the phone and was Wells done with it? Wells said yes and then the league made a national crisis of it claiming “non-cooperation” when the Well findings didn’t support a ball deflation scheme.

  21. mmack66 says:
    March 27, 2018 at 6:07 pm
    pastabelly says:
    March 27, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    It’s funny that all rules changes somehow try to invalidate what Patriots do.
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    What’s even funnier is that it never works.

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    Thats because people obsessing on the Patriots forget that these decisions apply equally to all 32 teams so they aren’t tipping the playing field like they think, they are only rearranging it. (And doing it over some past event that has no bearing on what the future event might be)

  22. commentawaitingdeletion says:
    March 27, 2018 at 6:33 pm
    Art of the crowd says:
    March 27, 2018 at 6:11 pm
    All that could be solved by having everything (interviews, hirings, everything) wait until the week after the superbowl. Let black monday go by then start the (equivalent of) FA season for coaching positions start a couple days after.
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    Black Monday is the day after the last regular season game. The week after the SB would be 6 weeks later.
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    When your team loses the superbowl it’s not just dark monday, its black. 🙂

    Seriously, what I meant was that if they moved that time up then the day fter the SB would become the new Black Monday. The idea is all the new job opportunities and all the available candidates appear at the same time so that everyone knows what all their options are going to be as they are deciding where to go with their career. Its the candidates that benefit from this being known right up front more than the teams but really both would have an easier time making their choices.

  23. Are we really supposed to believe the Colts GM was opposed to this rule when it was obviously generated by his team’s incessant whining? Who else would have proposed it on their behalf?

  24. Ever notice how the rule committee has to reconvene every time a Patriot pulls another fast one? If the Patriots would stop lying (promising to go to the Colts) and cheating (spygate, deflategate, headsetgate, reporting ineligible to confuse officials, etc.) we wouldn’t need a whole set of new rules every off season. This team is a an embarrassment to not only football but the spirit of good sportsmanship.

  25. switchwitch59 says:
    March 28, 2018 at 7:23 am
    Are we really supposed to believe the Colts GM was opposed to this rule when it was obviously generated by his team’s incessant whining? Who else would have proposed it on their behalf?

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    Actually I give Ballard credit for the thinking about it more broadly than the one situation..
    1) the shoe could be on the other foot someday and he wouldnt want it
    2) if a candidate is not all in he wants that caught before signing.

    Those are both very intelligent points. Its very possible it was Irsay complaining at the league office while Ballard thought it through better. I think Ballards points if anything support the idea that just having all discussion and decisions after the SB is better.

  26. takeyourpunishmentandquitwhininglikeababy says:

    March 28, 2018 at 8:23 am

    Ever notice how the rule committee has to reconvene every time a Patriot pulls another fast one? If the Patriots would stop lying (promising to go to the Colts) and cheating (spygate, deflategate, headsetgate, reporting ineligible to confuse officials, etc.) we wouldn’t need a whole set of new rules every off season. This team is a an embarrassment to not only football but the spirit of good sportsmanship.
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    Ever notice how the COMPETITION committee convenes every year? Let me clue you in to something, until you sign a contract you can change your mind. By the way, the only person confused by the reporting eligible/ineligible receiver, was Crybaugh, the Officials had no problem with and even announced it. Quit your crying, it was a legal move before the whiners had it changed because they didn’t understand the rules.

  27. what a crock of shizz. who proposed this “rule” the Browns?

    Let’s let the losing teams distract the winning teams during the playoffs. yeah, great idea.

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