Report: NFL used new catch rule in Super Bowl replay decisions

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NFL owners didn’t vote on a new catch rule until Tuesday when it passed unanimously. But, according to ESPN, the league applied the new rule — even though it wasn’t a rule then — in Super Bowl LII.

ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio said a conversation with Al Riveron, the NFL’s senior vice president of officiating, indicated it was “clear” the rule already was in place for replay rulings on touchdown catches by Zach Ertz and Corey Clement.

“They were basically legislating on the fly during the Super Bowl,” Paolantoio said on NFL Live, via a transcript from NESN.

Chris Mortensen agreed with Paolantonio, saying, “I will still maintain, as I said [Monday], that we saw this rule in action during the Super Bowl when the Eagles played the Patriots.”

The Eagles benefited from both rulings, with replay upholding the touchdowns. Ertz’s 11-yard score came with 2:21 left.

90 responses to “Report: NFL used new catch rule in Super Bowl replay decisions

  1. Expect plenty more rule changes……the Patriots lost the super bowl and the refs need more fire power.

  2. translation? goodell cheated the pats. again

    i can tell you right now, if that was a pats’ rb in the back of that end zone, it’s an incomplete pass ruling

    it’s just that simple

    lawyers like grey areas to be able to lie, cheat and steal

    the previous and better rule was very black and white and easy to rule

    fire goodell for cheating

  3. jam11163 says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:17 pm
    And both calls were right. Td Eagles.

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    false. both announcers during the sb, and everyone with an iw over 100, knows the clement play was incomplete

  4. The Ertz touchdown was in line with the rules for the last 5 years…. he caught the ball took 3 steps and, as a runner, crossed the plane of the goal line…. the fact that the ball hit the ground and bounced after the crossing of the goal line was irrelevant. The Clement TD could have been interpreted in a different manner… but glad to see that it wasn’t and that future catches like it won’t be ruled differently.

  5. Just counting down till Pats fan gets hysterical starting the Receptiongate conspiracy and Roger Goddell’s revenge for Matt Patricia’s t-shirt after last years Super Bowl win.

  6. lightninhopkins says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:17 pm
    Pretty clear during the game. On the Ertz play especially.

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    Ertz took 3 steps and then dove. I think you let collinsworth get in your head. He instantly compared it to the jessee James td but couldn’t be more wrong. James didn’t even get one foot down. He fell right to a knee and then lost possession. I think the clement td was closer to being overturned.

  7. gabrosin says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:20 pm
    Patriot fans whining about getting screwed over by the rules is perhaps the most ironic thing ever.

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    that makes no sense whatsoever

    pats fans are forced to know the rules stone cold, up down, due to
    goodell’s cheating for over 10 years now.

    the pats have rarely if ever benefitted from rules conpletely ignored or made up to help them

    give us an example

    meanwhile, we can name
    numerous situations where goodell
    cheated our team during the game itself, even by changing the rule in writng after the game ends to hide the cheating by goodell

    this simply does not happen to other teams

    i knew goodell would try to cheat as best as possible to try to force a loss for the pats. he tried it in the afc title game, too, but the pats perservered

  8. Man. I totally expected both of those calls to go the other way. Didn’t have any dog in the fight, but I remember thinking that the Patriots were getting screwed.

  9. shadrach422 says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:24 pm
    The Ertz touchdown was in line with the rules for the last 5 years…. he caught the ball took 3 steps and, as a runner, crossed the plane of the goal line…. the fact that the ball hit the ground and bounced after the crossing of the goal line was irrelevant. The Clement TD could have been interpreted in a different manner… but glad to see that it wasn’t and that future catches like it won’t be ruled differently.

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    dude, please. it was incomplete

    translation? “i am glad goodell
    cheated the pats to fit my agenda of rooting against the pats”

    people like you arw why goodell has destroyed the league

    he caters to millennials and their delicate sensibilities, so cheating the pats is on the table as long as goodell
    wants to collect his 40 mil per

  10. The Ertz TD should never have been in question, it’s ridiculous that any rule would take away an obvious TD. But the Clement TD shouldn’t have been, based on the rule, even though it would’ve been a TD every time in the first 90+ years of the NFL.

  11. tylawspick6 says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:22 pm
    translation? goodell cheated the pats. again

    i can tell you right now, if that was a pats’ rb in the back of that end zone, it’s an incomplete pass ruling
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    Luckily you didn’t have to worry about that. Malcolm jenkins was locking your rb’s down all game long in the passing game(when he wasn’t concussing cooks, that is). You sure do whine a lot. If losing the super bowl makes you cry so much, why do you torture yourself so often and log in to this football website. It must be some therapy type of thing I’m guessing. I’m glad we can help. GO EAGLES!

  12. @tylawpick6

    There you go again always crying about Patriot conspiracy theories. I don’t think any teams has been caught cheating more times than the Patriots.

  13. Its funny how pats fans want to claim that the refs cost them the game. I guess they completely forgot about their missed extra point, missed fg, failed 4th down conversion, failed pass to Brady and of course the strip sack fumble. I think those plays cost them the game. And oh yea, the 41 pts given up. But ok, I guess it was the refs fault.

  14. bird2urmother says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:42 pm
    Its funny how pats fans want to claim that the refs cost them the game. I guess they completely forgot about their missed extra point, missed fg, failed 4th down conversion, failed pass to Brady and of course the strip sack fumble. I think those plays cost them the game. And oh yea, the 41 pts given up. But ok, I guess it was the refs fault.

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    it is not necessarily why they lost, but changing the rules during the game is flat out cheating.

    period

    also, the illegal formation before the foles td was also conveniently missed.

  15. tylawspick6 says:

    false. both announcers during the sb, and everyone with an iw over 100, knows the clement play was incomplete

    Looks like your iw is in question, your team was out played/out coached.
    And Collinsworth must have had $ on the pats.

  16. Irish Hoodlum says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:37 pm
    @tylawpick6

    There you go again always crying about Patriot conspiracy theories. I don’t think any teams has been caught cheating more times than the Patriots.

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    name me a time the pats have been “caught” cheating

    two manufactured
    framejobs don’t count

    one of em was taken into a federal court with brady under oath anf proven to be false, and the other would have been also if belichick
    was part of the nflpa

    note how all the funny business started when goodell took over

    pats have never tampered, cheated the cap…nothing.

  17. bird2urmother says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:34 pm
    tylawspick6 says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:22 pm
    translation? goodell cheated the pats. again

    i can tell you right now, if that was a pats’ rb in the back of that end zone, it’s an incomplete pass ruling
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    Luckily you didn’t have to worry about that. Malcolm jenkins was locking your rb’s down all game long in the passing game(when he wasn’t concussing cooks, that is). You sure do whine a lot. If losing the super bowl makes you cry so much, why do you torture yourself so often and log in to this football website. It must be some therapy type of thing I’m guessing. I’m glad we can help. GO EAGLES!

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    umm, your d was dusted for over 600 yards, a postseason record

    jenkins did nothing

    broken
    coverages everywhere and that vaunted d was destroyed, especiallly in that second half

    you can’t change truth and fact, little guy

  18. tylawspick6 says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:31 pm

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

    ____________________________

    Stop crying dude, it’s gonna be alright. Your team got outclassed in the Super Bowl. Outclassed by the coaches, players, cheerleaders, fans, everyone.

  19. jimnaizeeum says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:45 pm
    tylawspick6 says:

    false. both announcers during the sb, and everyone with an iw over 100, knows the clement play was incomplete

    Looks like your iw is in question, your team was out played/out coached.
    And Collinsworth must have had $ on the pats.

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    umm, how was one team more “outcoached” than another? i did not see the pats get two free tds like philly did

    learns the rules, little 5th place trophy boy

    i wish my team was gifted an 8 point swing

  20. thekingdp says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:51 pm
    tylawspick6 says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:31 pm

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

    ____________________________

    Stop crying dude, it’s gonna be alright. Your team got outclassed in the Super Bowl. Outclassed by the coaches, players, cheerleaders, fans, everyone.

    1 1 Rate This

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    at least my team
    doesn’t need the commissioner in its back pocket to assist in winning

  21. Ertz TD was unquestionable. Remember the review said receiver caught the ball, became a runner, and the ball broke the play. Ref said confirmed not stands. Clement was the only “questionable” play because the ball wobbled slightly as he was adjusting it in his hands on his third step out of bounds. To me if a player catches the ball with two feet inbounds, then as long as the ball doesn’t untouch the players hands or touch the ground while they are out of bounds even if the ball moves it is a catch because it never hit the ground and the player had it in possession. If player let goes of it out of bounds and grabs it again, then no catch. That Clement catch, and the throw, was just amazing.

  22. I’m a Pats fan and felt like the plays should have stood as called on the field because their wasn’t clear evidence they were wrong. But I also felt that if they called those they way they had all season, they should have been incomplete. The call that really bothers me is the missed illegal formation on the TD pass to Foles – clear and obvious that Philly had only 6 guys on the line of scrimmage, the wideout was at least 2.5 yards off the line. Four point swing if called properly, and it wasn’t hard to see.

  23. As a Patriots fan I simply say this, sometimes things go your way, sometimes they dont. Its called Life!

  24. My oh my…….Pats fans, specifically Tylaw complaining about calls….ironic….when calls that are frankly 50/50 go the Pats ways, the refrain is ‘know the rules’, ‘called according to the book’ when they go the other way, ‘Pats are getting screwed again’. Easy to come up with such instances Ty….Game against Texans, Cooks TD catch easily bobbling it, but ruled a TD…ok fine…Bills game Kelvin Benjamin TD at the half…another grey area TD the Pats way…shall we go on? biggest crybabies in sports

  25. neilpountney says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:57 pm
    As a Patriots fan I simply say this, sometimes things go your way, sometimes they dont. Its called Life!

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    as a sports fan who appreciates good
    comeptition, i don’t want rules to be changes during the competition to help
    one team over another

    it comes off as cheating

    get it?

  26. TYLAW, what illegal formation? Alshon pointed at the side judge 3 times before the snap to make sure he was lined up properly. If the ref would have told him he was off, he would have stepped one step forward. And vaunted eagles defense?? Who said that? I think Philly had 4th ranked d and pats 5th ranked d. Who cares about yards. The most important thing here is that the eagles gave up less points than the pats. That’s all that matters. And your defense gave up 41 pts to a backup qb. Let that soak in for the whole off-season.

  27. As a Steelers fan i find it quite funny they got screwed over like we did . And the Cowboys did with the Dez catch . Cheaters feeling cheated is precious .

  28. tylawspick6 says:
    umm, how was one team more “outcoached” than another?

    It’s so simple, maybe you need a refresher…your team lost, and lost by 8 points.

  29. cheek2vegas says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:59 pm
    My oh my…….Pats fans, specifically Tylaw complaining about calls….ironic….when calls that are frankly 50/50 go the Pats ways, the refrain is ‘know the rules’, ‘called according to the book’ when they go the other way, ‘Pats are getting screwed again’. Easy to come up with such instances Ty….Game against Texans, Cooks TD catch easily bobbling it, but ruled a TD…ok fine…Bills game Kelvin Benjamin TD at the half…another grey area TD the Pats way…shall we go on? biggest crybabies in sports

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    what? cooks had both hands under it and 2 feet down

    again, learn the rules

  30. This guy talking about us getting smoked for 600 yards on defense makes it all the better since the Pats lost a shoot out to Foles. We Eagles fans can say the Pats but up the most passing yards in a Super Bowl ever and lost. That’s a nice record to own. We can also talk about how the Eagles hung 41 points on your flimsy D as well. Hey, I don’t care if the Pats dusted us for a 1,000 yards of offense, the bottom line is that the Eagles had more points and played an absolutely amazing game offensively when it was all said and done, and we won. That’s it.

  31. Ya think!?!?! That is obvious.

    What isn’t clear is whether either team knew that going into the game. Or whether one team knew and another did not….you can fill in the blanks there, but everyone knows Fraudger was doing anything and everything possible to NOT HAND THE LOMBARDI TO BRADY AND BELICHICK 2 years in a row.

    Thru 20 weeks of NFL 2017 season, Clement’s “catch” would not have been a catch by the twisted, contorted “Catch Rule” they’ve been drilling into our heads for 5 straight years.
    You do the math.

  32. The Clement TD could have gone the other way. The Ertz TD should have never been in question. Under ANY set of rules the NFL has used, that’s a TD 10/10 times. Pats fans want to cry, and that’s fine, but it doesn’t change facts.

  33. kelvin benjamin? that was the same as the clement fake td! not a catch. you need 2 feet down once final control is established

    in fact, that alone proves goodell cheated in the super bowl

    and like i said, if clement was in a
    pats uni, it is 100% an incomplete pass. they would have ruled it as they have been and correctly so by the rules

    you idiots have gotten away with murder cheating the pats for over a decade and you still want more obvious cheating
    to be done

    unreal

  34. theandy59 is being intellectually honest with himself and I appreciate that. I agree as an Eagles fan that Alshon wasn’t on the line when he lined up wide. Yes, sometimes calls are missed. Yes, we got away with one. I’ll take it. I think the rest of the calls were good and not enough to be overturned. It was a fun game to watch by football fans in general.

  35. The TD the RB caught was very similar to the Lewis fumble that could’ve sealed the game for the Jags in the AFC championship go look at it. if that Lewis play is a fumble then the Clement play is incomplete. Go look.

  36. Stop crying dude, it’s gonna be alright. Your team got outclassed in the Super Bowl. Outclassed by the coaches, players, cheerleaders, fans, everyone.

    ____

    Philly fans classy? That would be a first.

  37. The craziest thing from the super bowl was how in the heck did the pats lose when they wore their white jerseys?! I heard about that so much leading up to the super bowl and then when the pats decided they were wearing their whites, i thought for sure the eagles would lose since the pats were undefeated in super bowls when wearing their whites. I still can’t wrap my mind around that.(sarcasm) What a bunch of idiots.

  38. Changing the rule application during a game is a ridiculous example of the league tweaking the results of the game. I have no idea who was ruled for or against or if it was even. It should NEVER happen. If you know the rule is bad, man up and change it before the next game rather than adhere to a rule that does not exist at the expense of one that actually does (though admittedly flawed). If one team got the new benefit and the other did not, would the calls have been the same if the teams were swapped? There is no way to answer that question and the very reason why some fans feel cheated or believe the games are rigged (at best they are influenced).

  39. Tylaw, how can you say jenkins did nothing? He knocked your best wr out of the game and was locked on your rbs all game long. They were irrelevant in the passing game. And by the way that makes 2 wins in a row for eagles vs pats. Last time they played jenkins took a Brady pick 6 about 100 yards.

  40. The Ertz TD was as clear as day, he caught it, possessed it, made the football moves, dove, crossed the line = TD. The play needs to end when the receiver maintains possession as he crosses the line.

    The Clement TD he caught the ball, one foot down, ball changes hands, second foot down, still possessed, and then the third step tipped out of bounds. The ball stopped momentum once Clement caught it – TD

  41. Jeremie says:
    March 27, 2018 at 8:07 pm
    The Clement TD could have gone the other way. The Ertz TD should have never been in question. Under ANY set of rules the NFL has used, that’s a TD 10/10 times. Pats fans want to cry, and that’s fine, but it doesn’t change facts.

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    false. it was not a catch by the rule. the replay showed it

    that is what replay is for

    stop cheating

    that is all pats fans ask

  42. Tylawpick6 is gonna need an inhaler after this. Breathe buddy & maybe step away from the keyboard. Go grab the tissue box in the bathroom. Grab a wooder from the fridge. Something.

  43. Watching the NFL network soundfx, you can hear sterratore agree with the league and confirming that clement possessed the ball and then moved it on his own and shifted it. I know that call could have gone either way, but it both sterratore and the official who ultimately made the call both agreed that clement got both feet down WITH possession and then adjusted the ball, then they made the correct call even by 2017 regular season rules.

  44. gabrosin says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:20 pm
    Patriot fans whining about getting screwed over by the rules is perhaps the most ironic thing ever.
    ====================
    Well if nothing else we can finally dismiss the ridiculous notion that the calls always go the Pats way. Instead of focusing on why the calls were being legislated on the fly we’ll focus on the irony of Pats fans crying foul. Sure makes the need for the competition committee a bit moot.

  45. Man, eagles fans are insufferable. The only silver lining is their one SB win is tainted now by being awarded two TD’S that actually weren’t.

  46. FinFan68 says:
    March 27, 2018 at 8:23 pm
    Changing the rule application during a game is a ridiculous example of the league tweaking the results of the game. I have no idea who was ruled for or against or if it was even. It should NEVER happen. If you know the rule is bad, man up and change it before the next game rather than adhere to a rule that does not exist at the expense of one that actually does (though admittedly flawed). If one team got the new benefit and the other did not, would the calls have been the same if the teams were swapped? There is no way to answer that question and the very reason why some fans feel cheated or believe the games are rigged (at best they are influenced).
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    A thousand times this!!!! Even if you feel the two plays were catches this point STILL stands. Changing the rules are for the off season where they can be presented, reviewed and approved. Full stop. Integrity … whatever.

  47. Pats were clearly beaten by a superior team. They were lucky the game was even close.

    Their legacy is tainted. They had to cheat to eek out wins.

  48. haansel82 says:
    March 27, 2018 at 8:26 pm
    The Ertz TD was as clear as day, he caught it, possessed it, made the football moves, dove, crossed the line = TD. The play needs to end when the receiver maintains possession as he crosses the line.

    The Clement TD he caught the ball, one foot down, ball changes hands, second foot down, still possessed, and then the third step tipped out of bounds. The ball stopped momentum once Clement caught it – TD

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    this proves you do not know the rule and do not watch the nfl

  49. bird2urmother says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:34 pm

    Luckily you didn’t have to worry about that. Malcolm jenkins was locking your rb’s down all game long in the passing game(when he wasn’t concussing cooks, that is). You sure do whine a lot. If losing the super bowl makes you cry so much, why do you torture yourself so often and log in to this football website. It must be some therapy type of thing I’m guessing. I’m glad we can help. GO EAGLES!
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    I guess we can finally write off the notion that the Eagles have any type of penalty discrepancy against them as just whining as well. Since we aren’t entertaining the idea of any bias at all.

  50. randomcommenter says:
    March 27, 2018 at 8:58 pm
    Pats were clearly beaten by a superior team. They were lucky the game was even close.

    Their legacy is tainted. They had to cheat to eek out wins.
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    When you put up almost 600 yards of offense you really don’t get to use the “lucky it was even close” excuse. LOL

  51. bird2urmother says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:42 pm
    Its funny how pats fans want to claim that the refs cost them the game. I guess they completely forgot about their missed extra point, missed fg, failed 4th down conversion, failed pass to Brady and of course the strip sack fumble. I think those plays cost them the game. And oh yea, the 41 pts given up. But ok, I guess it was the refs fault.

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    Agree or disagree the calls impacted the game but nothing changes the fact that both of those calls were incomplete every game prior. As a fan of the game you should be pi$$ed about that more than the outcome of the game.

  52. I don’t really care. It was a good game. Phi won fare and square. They made the one play they needed and the pats didn’t.
    Philly fans and the rest of the league fans, just imagine your outrage If the tables were turned and those catches were in favor of NE!
    Heads would have exploded.

  53. fireroger says:
    A thousand times this!!!! Even if you feel the two plays were catches this point STILL stands. Changing the rules are for the off season where they can be presented, reviewed and approved. Full stop. Integrity … whatever.
    =============================

    A league changing the rules around a key component of the game in their championship game without announcing it is a very bad look. Every coach and player expects that different officials might call things a little differently (one crew may emphasize offensive holding, another may look at illegal contact on so on), but they’re all calling things based on the same set of rules. To secretly change the rules for the biggest game of the year is like something out of a movie.

  54. That was what most astute observers noticed during the game. If they had called the Super Bowl the same as the rest of the games played during the year two Philly TD’s would have been overturned but the NFL was afraid they would look ridiculous.

  55. Ertz’ catch was a touchdown both before and after the rule change. 3 steps and then a dive is a touchdown once the player breaks the plane. Clement’s catch was a little trickier. The ref needed to conclude that he always had control and that the ball just shifted.

  56. The Ertz TD was beyond question, Collinsworth is an idiot. I knew as soon as it happened it was a TD, end of story.

    The Clement TD, listen to the ref mic’d up. He says he’s shifting the ball but maintains control while getting both feet down. At no point is the ball not in contact with his hands and in his control. It’s a TD.

    Sorry, salty Pats fans. I said going into the game that the Eagles superior OL and DL would be the difference, and it was….

  57. tylaws , remind me how many flags were thrown aganst the Pats? What about the blatant Pass Interference Van Noy did to Clement on the 2 point conversion that wasn’t called, blatant as your bitterness.

  58. fireroger says:
    March 27, 2018 at 9:14 pm
    bird2urmother says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:42 pm
    Its funny how pats fans want to claim that the refs cost them the game. I guess they completely forgot about their missed extra point, missed fg, failed 4th down conversion, failed pass to Brady and of course the strip sack fumble. I think those plays cost them the game. And oh yea, the 41 pts given up. But ok, I guess it was the refs fault.

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    Agree or disagree the calls impacted the game but nothing changes the fact that both of those calls were incomplete every game prior. As a fan of the game you should be pi$$ed about that more than the outcome of the game
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    I’d say the players execution impacted the game. Its not like they were given free yards off of bogus calls. The eagles players physically made those plays. And I could see the argument on the clement play but the ertz td was clearly the correct call. 3 ft and a dive will always be a td.

  59. No way that both of those plays were TDs. It should have been called even regardless of which rule was in effect (especially if there was a rule modification in play). That doesn’t take away from the game the Eagles played. The league office shouldn’t be involved in anything related to the games on game day. PERIOD.

    Listen to the subtle comments of the owners and the league office over the longer view. They use words like “entertainment” in some pretty telling ways. The NFL is going by way of WWF. The more authority that is concentrated in the league office on game day, the more the outcomes will become staged. Even Eagles fans should be appalled by the idea that a rule was unilaterally changed and applied by the league office.

  60. I’m just happy for the 10 superbowls that I saw the Patriots play in that were in my era.I’m also happy for the 90 year old philly fans that got to see them win one…thats like better than watching the pappili..popaloui movie huh.Adrian we did it adrian.

  61. A Patriots fan claiming they Patriots have been getting cheated is beyond ridiculous, as 3 of the NE superbowls NE won were due to cheating. Get over it bud, you are way to bitter. Accept defeat graciously.

    tylawspick6 says:

    March 27, 2018 at 8:27 pm

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    false. it was not a catch by the rule. the replay showed it

    that is what replay is for

    stop cheating

    that is all pats fans ask

  62. bird2urmother says:
    March 27, 2018 at 11:52 pm

    I’d say the players execution impacted the game. Its not like they were given free yards off of bogus calls. The eagles players physically made those plays. And I could see the argument on the clement play but the ertz td was clearly the correct call. 3 ft and a dive will always be a td.
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    I think it’s safe to say we can have this discussion regardless if the plays impacted the game or not. There’s a reason the Ertz TD was reviewed. To say that will always be a TD is a bit disingenuous not to mention the complete dismissal of similar calls previously that prove otherwise. The argument that the play ‘should’ always be the case has merit but you don’t change that on the fly like the NFL did.

  63. Anyone even debating the Ertz TD is an imbecile.

    Anyone complaining about illegal formation needs to contact the line judge, because he told Alshon Jeffery 3 times that he was on the LOS.

    Clement…eh…I could see people upset about that one. I was very surprised it stood, but it was called a TD on the field, and thus overturning it becomes slightly harder.

    But anyone complaining about the first two, I put in a boat with Collinsworth. You don’t know squat about the game. That Ertz TD was a catch in 1933, and it was a catch in 2018.

  64. lightninhopkins says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:17 pm
    Pretty clear during the game. On the Ertz play especially.

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    the ertz play would have been a catch under any rule the nfl has ever used for a catch. it was zero percent questionable. a catch, three steps, and a lunge are not similar to the jesse james nor the dez bryant calls. both of those were catch and lunge.

    the corey clement catch was the affected call. in most situations during the regular season, it would have been ruled incomplete because the ball shifted.

  65. I have no complaints regarding the calls in the Super Bowl as a Patriots fan. They were both close calls, but fair based on the eye test.

    However, if the new rule standard was actually being used, that’s completely insane. It’s not why the Patriots lost (that would be the defense) as I think the same rules would have applied to any Patriots close calls too, but it’s BS that you would change the rules for one game.

  66. SBLIIChampionEagles says:
    March 28, 2018 at 9:42 am
    Anyone even debating the Ertz TD is an imbecile.
    Anyone complaining about illegal formation needs to contact the line judge, because he told Alshon Jeffery 3 times that he was on the LOS.
    Clement…eh…I could see people upset about that one. I was very surprised it stood, but it was called a TD on the field, and thus overturning it becomes slightly harder.
    But anyone complaining about the first two, I put in a boat with Collinsworth. You don’t know squat about the game. That Ertz TD was a catch in 1933, and it was a catch in 2018.

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    There’s nothing to complain about. In the end it was one of the best officiated Super Bowls I have seen. Close calls on the field, no evidence to overturn them. That’s it. I actually thought they were the right calls under the existing rules.

    The line of scrimmage play was certainly purposeful, smart and legal because he checked with the official. Jeffrey wanted to get as much release as he could from his blocker so he took the DB as far away from Foles as possible. A two second block there and the DB might have been able to drop into coverage on Foles because he would have been near by.

    That said… if the new rule standard was being used for one game that makes no sense.

  67. Whatever, Philly won the game. Most people agree that the rule interpretations changed for the game. I doubt it was intentionally done to handicap the Patriots however. I think if NE was the team “Catching” those passes they would have been ruled the same way. Sometimes calls go your way, sometimes they don’t. Philly got some calls, it’s ok to say it, it isn’t whining. They got breaks on the Clement play and the Foles play. Everyone knows this. The Ertz play wasn’t a break, just a clear cut TD. Good for the Eagles and their fans. Enjoy the win. It was well deserved.
    Go Pats!

  68. bird2urmother says:
    March 27, 2018 at 7:42 pm
    Its funny how pats fans want to claim that the refs cost them the game. I guess they completely forgot about their missed extra point, missed fg, failed 4th down conversion, failed pass to Brady and of course the strip sack fumble. I think those plays cost them the game. And oh yea, the 41 pts given up. But ok, I guess it was the refs fault.

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    The funny thing is that all the way down this thread I read about you guys enjoying the Pats fan’s meltdown, but whats misding from the picture is the Pat’s fans meltdown. (Aside from TLP6 who is difficult to speak to). For the rest of us it was a game, we lost. It happens. We pick up and come right vack at it next year. I guess its because we are blessed to know (just like the rest are cursed to know, but they still know) that we will be right back at it next year. Pats fans know better than to take as granted a SB win in any year, that would be silly, but we do enjoy being secure in the knowledge that we will be a top contender every year. It makes it more fun for us to go into a season than it is for other teams that have to settle for just being at best hopefully optimistic. And also its why we dont get down when there are little misforunes and setbavks earlier in the season because we know the team is built so it always recovers and still contends.

  69. Ertz – 3 steps, dive while extending ball, ball moves when contacting the ground. Under 2017 rules that would have been a touchdown. Key is that he was not going to ground during the process of the catch which is what caused the “issue” with the other plays. Collinsworth saying he didn’t think it was a catch does not mean it wasn’t. Ironically he even pointed out the differences between what happened with Ertz play verse the James play.

    TD to Foles – Yes Jeffrey was not on the line of scrimmage and would normal result in an illegal formation penalty, except when the receive checks with the line judge prior to snap. Since the ref told Jeffrey he was good, that ref will not throw a flag because he approved it beforehand. This happens to be an unwritten rule but this play was not an exception as this happens. I have seen refs tell a receiver they are not good and watched them move up.

    Clement – Original call was a touchdown so there would need to be proof that he did not maintain possession. According to the audio of the review both the ref and video replay official agreed that the movement of the ball was not lack of control, rather it was the player shifting the ball of his own accord with no lack of possession. This is the only real questionable one of the 3 but according to the two reviewing it he didn’t lose possession so that means call stands. If this logic is applied, then the call would have been a touchdown last year.

  70. There has only been one topic in New England since the Super Bowl – Malcolm Butler. There’s been no complaints about officiating. We saw Foles pick apart the defense, no one play, no one call was likely to change the outcome. So for all the haters trying to write their own version to make themselves feel good, get some facts first and spare us the “whiny Pats fans” crap

  71. theandy59 says:

    March 27, 2018 at 7:56 pm

    I’m a Pats fan and felt like the plays should have stood as called on the field because their wasn’t clear evidence they were wrong. But I also felt that if they called those they way they had all season, they should have been incomplete. The call that really bothers me is the missed illegal formation on the TD pass to Foles – clear and obvious that Philly had only 6 guys on the line of scrimmage, the wideout was at least 2.5 yards off the line. Four point swing if called properly, and it wasn’t hard to see.

    Plays like that are rarely called when that close. But if you look at the reply of the philly special, Alshon asked the line judge if he was okay line dup where he was. He received the okay from the ref so negates any penalty.

  72. All this proves is the refs/NFL decides the out come of the games. The Pats have won and lost SBs due to questionable calls.

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