Bruce Allen: Team presidents should be judged by wins and losses

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Washington team President Bruce Allen thinks he upgraded at the quarterback position this offseason because Alex Smith has won more games than Kirk Cousins as a starting quarterback. But in making that case, Allen may have inadvertently painted himself as a failure.

Allen said at the league meeting that everyone in football — not just the quarterback but everybody, including the team president — should be judged on winning or losing.

“Wins and losses is the most important statistic when it comes to an equipment manager, a team president, a quarterback, a running back, a guard or a coach,” Allen said, via the Washington Post.

One problem: Allen has a 52-75-1 record in Washington, a winning percentage of .410. If that’s the way team presidents are judged, how has Allen kept his job so long?

Ultimately, Allen is more responsible for Washington’s record than Cousins is. If team presidents are judged by winning and losing, maybe Cousins isn’t the only one who needed to be replaced.

49 responses to “Bruce Allen: Team presidents should be judged by wins and losses

  1. Bruce Allen did not make the decision to screw over the best QB we had since Theismann in RGIII. That’s the coach who will be fired if he can’t take Alex Smith and the rest of the team into the playoffs. Bruce Allen has handed him a Top 3 Roster in the NFC this season period.

  2. Last year the 49ers could hardly win a game. They were 1-10. Then they put in Jimmy Garoppolo and went 5-0. I didn’t realize they got a new equipment manager. Maybe it was the way he adjusted chin straps. Meanwhile, the hapless Browns keep changing coaches and General Managers. It’s the darn equipment manager stupid!

  3. With this logic all he needs to do is get Manning out of retirement because he won so many games.

  4. This article doesn’t make much sense. I’m pretty sure fans already judge every job an NFL team has by wins and losses. Nothing like spouting off the obvious.

  5. He should have been fired long ago for letting his ego and vindictive nature control his actions as GM. They could have locked up Cousins at a reasonable rate long ago.

  6. If that’s the way team presidents are judged, how has Allen kept his job so long?

    Snyder likes the way Bruce always gets the lunch orders just right.

  7. Football is a team game and there are many aspects to putting together a winning organization. If a President, GM or Coach takes over a train wreck of a team and goes 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 9-7 and 12-4 in his first 5 years, his record is 20-51 Would you fire him because of his wins and losses ? It all has to be put into perspective .

  8. logicalvoicesays says:
    March 30, 2018 at 7:01 am
    Bruce Allen did not make the decision to screw over the best QB we had since Theismann in RGIII. That’s the coach who will be fired if he can’t take Alex Smith and the rest of the team into the playoffs. Bruce Allen has handed him a Top 3 Roster in the NFC this season period.
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    I agree with you 100%. They allowed Gruden to just cast RGIII aside because Gruden wanted to play a severe West Coast offense instead of doing like the smarter coaches have all done by playing to the strengths of the QB who had proven he could play at an exceptionally high level in college AND the pro’s. Gruden made every mistake in the book when he came and left a whole lot of scapegoats lying around while he continued to get chance after chance. And not until he brought in Bill Callahan and Matt Cavanaugh did that team begin to improve. Gruden had RG3, Cousins, and McCoy in 2014 and he even went so far as to bench cousins and snatch his uniform and made him a healthy scratch for the rest of the season on account of all the picks he was throwing! That team was saved by Callahan and Matt Cavanaugh who helped Kirk Cousins stop throwing behind players all the time-cause that is who he was entering the league.

    He wanted RG3 to stay in the pocket all the time (coaching failure) and that was Cousins all day. So isn’t it funny that after three years of Cousins all Gruden is talking about is how Alex Smith can run some Read Option!!!! He had RG freaking 3!! one of the absolute BEST at doing that. But he could not see that that was a necessary skill to beat the better teams. Seems like Gruden is coming around. Funny, HE still has his job after wasting the Skins investment in RG3 and just casting him aside and diminishing his public value as well as all the bad defensive coaching hires he made. Gruden has Bruce in his pocket right now. Maybe its not a good idea to hire friends!! I mean even the Jaguars gave Bortles a fourth and fifth year to see how he would develop as the team developed. RG3 gets 3 years with two different coaches and an injury to develop.

    The truth IS. It has nothing to do with perception-NOTHING!

  9. Well, as we all know, Allen and the Skins are “winning off the field,” so he’s actually 128-0.

  10. Well, to be fair, those first few years, Mike Shanahan had full control of the roster. Bruce Allen was more involved with Harvest Fest and what color pants the team would wear.

  11. RGIII was awful he did great the first year because the Defensive Coordinators didnt have any NFL film to study on him, his second year the opponents easily figured him out. He was just a narcisstic ego maniac too whose talent didnt merit the attention. All that we gave up for him haunted us to this day. Wise decision to go with Cousins, because we did a lot better with Kirk than we did with RGME!!! But I agree Bruce botched up the whole Cousins scenario and not only the Redskins, but the entire league is paying for it!!!—WTG Bruce, the Redskins shouldve kept Scot and fired Bruce!

  12. cmonitsfunny says:
    March 30, 2018 at 7:51 am
    If that’s the way team presidents are judged, how has Allen kept his job so long?

    Snyder likes the way Bruce always gets the lunch orders just right.

    Cmonitsfunny, Today you win the internet! Bruce Allen was Jon Gruden’s puppet in Tampa. It’s nice to see as some things change, some things stay the same.

  13. Pretty sure that Mike and Kyle Shanahan saw to it that RGIII was already a pariah with the fan base, in the media, and locker room with how they aired him out. Especially Mike!! He didn’t everything within his power to undercut RGIII in the public eye. Very lame, even if Griffin brought a lot on his self by being stubborn on field (REFUSING to slide or get out of bounds! Or throw the ball away!!) or persistently coming across as totally aloof.

    Mike was in 60’s…Robert was what, 22 or 23?? Awful display of “leadership” & “maturity” exhibited by the senior citizen. Gave his QB a terrible example to follow…so if we’re gonna knock someone for poor leadership, it would be Mike Shanahan.

    Let’s not forget…it was Shanny’s regime that took RGIII AND then also went with Cousins in the 4th the SAME draft!! Who does that?!?!? And Gruden gave RGIII his shot…but he got himself reinjured by not learning his lesson about protecting himself and simply continued to play with self-destructive reckless abandon. From there, Cousins took the reins and made the most of the opportunity following his initial struggles.

    Tell me again, who was the GM/president who hired BOTH coaches and oversaw the drafting of BOTH QBs in the same draft year, incubating the toxic environment??

    Yup, that’s right…you wrote the recipe, chose the ingredients, prepped it, and cooked it to raging boil and burned the damn dish.

    Kick the chef out of the kitchen if he’s clearly more qualified to be a dishwasher.

    I mean, it’s not like Bruce Allen deserves credit for the success of TB (Dungy and Monte Kiffin get all that love, duh.) and Oakland sucked while he was there.

    Lame duck front office.

  14. Thetruthis – You can’t speak truth and facts on this comment board because some don’t adhere to truth or facts. But, you couldn’t be more right about the situation in Washington, Jay Gruden has been a complete and total failure as an HC! The Redskins front office put more into the success of Kirk Cousins than they ever invested in RG3, Kirk got a top tier OL line coach in Bill Callahan even with all the injury to the OL they played good football. Kirk also had a young creative mind in McVay who turned his career around from the Kirk Cousin of 2014 to the Kirk that was bench for Colt McCoy to the Cousins that pass for 4000+ yards and had one of the QB coaches Matt Cavanaugh, who taught Kirk how to be an NFL QB. The thing that I didn’t understand about the Redskins front office, why invest all that draft capital in RG3 and don’t build a good team around him, RG3 did more with less than any QB drafted in the last 5 or 6 drafts. Things around Kirk Cousins has to be perfect! The Redskins front office tried like hell to give Cousins the best chance to win and Kirk couldn’t.

  15. sgrvn329 says:

    March 30, 2018 at 9:19 am

    Thetruthis – You can’t speak truth and facts on this comment board because some don’t adhere to truth or facts. But, you couldn’t be more right about the situation in Washington, Jay Gruden has been a complete and total failure as an HC! The Redskins front office put more into the success of Kirk Cousins than they ever invested in RG3, Kirk got a top tier OL line coach in Bill Callahan even with all the injury to the OL they played good football. Kirk also had a young creative mind in McVay who turned his career around from the Kirk Cousin of 2014 to the Kirk that was bench for Colt McCoy to the Cousins that pass for 4000+ yards and had one of the QB coaches Matt Cavanaugh, who taught Kirk how to be an NFL QB. The thing that I didn’t understand about the Redskins front office, why invest all that draft capital in RG3 and don’t build a good team around him, RG3 did more with less than any QB drafted in the last 5 or 6 drafts. Things around Kirk Cousins has to be perfect! The Redskins front office tried like hell to give Cousins the best chance to win and Kirk couldn’t.
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    Where is that RGIII now??? Once the threat of run was gone, he was way below average. smh

  16. no Bruce you are the worst POS in the business. Why you think all the seats at the stadium are covered up. Its not a coincidence that attendance rates dropped after you became President.

  17. Thetruthis says:
    March 30, 2018 at 8:12 am
    logicalvoicesays says:
    March 30, 2018 at 7:01 am
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    I think you’re the same guy. Different shtick, same guy.

  18. sgrvn329 says:
    March 30, 2018 at 9:19 am
    Thetruthis – You can’t speak truth and facts on this comment board because some don’t adhere to truth or facts. But, you couldn’t be more right about the situation in Washington, Jay Gruden has been a complete and total failure as an HC! The Redskins front office put more into the success of Kirk Cousins than they ever invested in RG3, Kirk got a top tier OL line coach in Bill Callahan even with all the injury to the OL they played good football. Kirk also had a young creative mind in McVay who turned his career around from the Kirk Cousin of 2014 to the Kirk that was bench for Colt McCoy to the Cousins that pass for 4000+ yards and had one of the QB coaches Matt Cavanaugh, who taught Kirk how to be an NFL QB. The thing that I didn’t understand about the Redskins front office, why invest all that draft capital in RG3 and don’t build a good team around him, RG3 did more with less than any QB drafted in the last 5 or 6 drafts. Things around Kirk Cousins has to be perfect! The Redskins front office tried like hell to give Cousins the best chance to win and Kirk couldn’t.
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    SPOT FREAKING ON!!!!! You are an accurate thinker sir. Most of the posters are PERCEPTION people. Would not know the truth if it backed up and bit them on the tail!!!

  19. bordner says:
    March 30, 2018 at 9:49 am
    Thetruthis says:
    March 30, 2018 at 8:12 am
    logicalvoicesays says:
    March 30, 2018 at 7:01 am
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    I think you’re the same guy. Different shtick, same guy.
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    And that proves you know nothing of thinking. What do I have to hide? I don’t work for any of you people. Why? Why would I need to, I am not a celebrity or somebody with a public persona. I speak accurately because I see so little of it today. It is a sad state of affairs when people are so full of themselves they can’t acknowledge any thing that does not fit their perception. Sick of ya’ll. IT HAPPENED.

  20. ———————
    Where is that RGIII now??? Once the threat of run was gone, he was way below average. smh
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    That was my point. RG3 has been maligned by DC and they took such bad care of him, Shanny and Gruden, that his career was derailed on account of it. Do you hear Desean Watson’s coach working against him? Do you hear Philly, pumping Nick Foles up OVER Caron Wentz who were both injured by the way? NO. And lets not forget, even Gruden has figured out a bit the error of his way. The read option no longer works cause teams have caught up to it dumb dumbs keep saying people have caught up with is a fat lie. Yes, you have to use it creatively but it works. Heck he even ran it with Kirk to get a few TD’s Kirk could not get being a drop back passer. Yeah, IT HAPPENED. And now isn’t Gruden talking about running the read option more with Alex Smith. I mean he had RG3 and freaking MESSED OVER THIS TALENT. That sickens me. The threat of the run HAS NOT GONE with RG3-WHO TOLD YOU THAT often repeated LIE!! He is healthy and as fast as ever. Waiting for a team with a brain to bring him in. I just hope he gets with a solid team for a change. Gruden has made every mistake in the book and has gotten a pass. The cousins experiment was an epic waste of time and money. Gruden and Cousins has won nothing since they paid Cousins. And Cousins looked like the overmatched QB he was in that playoff game and it proved the 9-7 skins did not even belong in the Wild Card game! They have finished 3rd out of 4th in the division since they paid cousins. Epic failure!

  21. Yes, Allen basically called himself an incompetent who is really only employed because his dad was a legendary coach in Washington. Tell us something we don’t know.

  22. darthraven887 says:
    March 30, 2018 at 10:12 am
    Wait, didn’t Washington win more games with Kirk Cousins starting than they did without him?
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    NO! KC record with Washington starting games is 26-30-1! 0 playoff wins. And they paid him like an Aaron Rodgers type QB. They deserve what they got for him. They had all this hope in 2015. And what happened since they paid him and trained him? The skins got hit by a smooth criminal! Zero appreciation for what the skins gave this 4th round draft pick. Zero. Zero. Zero. KC did what KC does. He took care of KC. He went to the team he FELT could help his career best. This guy is a greedy little self serving phone. And he and Gruden deserved each other. And Bruce Allen deserved the Gruden and Cousins. All three are the same type of people. They make a name for themselves by using other people while they continue to serve themselves.

  23. buckstalion12965 says:
    March 30, 2018 at 9:09 am
    So when the Vikings win more games this year than the Skins, will Allen admit he should have offered Cousins a fair deal in 2015?
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    Three years of Cousins not enough for you? Allen should admit it when they bring over the VIKINGS entire team and coaching staff and enclosed arena! Then maybe they could admit it. They paid Cousins extremely well for HIS resume and Cousins preceded to finish 3rd out of 4th in the division AFTER they paid him. Maybe they should have given the Vikings Cousins and switched the Vikings entire team-casuse we know the Vikings can win some games WITHOUT cousins.

  24. I’m amazed at how many people are so simple minded to think that wins are the only way you can judge the participants in a team sport. Everybody involved contributes in a small way to the team’s success, with some having much more impact on it than others. The GM and coach have more impact on winning than any of the players (except in Green Bay where it’s pretty much all Rodgers). If you can’t evaluate a team employee or player in a deeper way than to look at the team’s winning percentage, you should not be employed as a GM or be commenting on PFT.

  25. I am so hoping the Redskins fail this year – I want to see Chubbs Gruden and the Allen Brat fired and to have their offices tossed into the parking lot of Redskins park and set on fire.

    I loathe every minute that Allen Brat consumes oxygen – he’s a fraud and an idiot.

    As for Chubbs, he’s proved he cannot be an effective coach – he’s never started the season well, has held Camp Snowflakes, has shown he can’t tolerate defensive coaches with talent and hires idiots. I want him gone.

    I can’t wait to root for this team to implode – consider this the payback of a 48 year long Redskins fan – I want this team to suffer for all the years of misery we’ve had with Little Napoleon Snyder’s ownership.

  26. This is nonsense. A GM/President have so much control over the building the roster, managing the cap, drafting, signing players and a Coach has so much oversight with planning, play calling, adjustments, and game day decisions. Also oversight of his other coaches who are coaching the players. To say a player who can also control what the coach calls is responsible for a win or loss solely is crazy. Sure some players make poor decisions in critical times but it goes way beyond them. Players dont get to build the teams around them. The GM/President/Coach are way more responsible for W/L than a player is. A player cant even control his own stat line in football because its usually dependent on another player.

  27. I suspect that somewhere in the fine print of the NFL’s president manual there is an exception for presidents that serve under the ownership of one Daniel Snyder.

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