Ryan Leaf: Top QB should pull an Eli Manning to avoid the Browns

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Ryan Leaf knows something about being a draft bust, and he thinks the key to avoid being a bust is to avoid going to the wrong place. And in Leaf’s mind, that means avoiding Cleveland.

Leaf said on FS1 that he would urge a top quarterback like USC’s Sam Darnold to tell his agent, “We can’t end up in Cleveland,” and then figure out a way to keep the Browns from drafting him first overall.

“I don’t want anybody to be a bust,” Leaf said. “I want them to be successful. And there is no evidence to show me that Cleveland is going to be successful. It’s a place where quarterbacks go to die. How many quarterbacks — 27 quarterbacks in the last 10 years? If I were Sam Darnold and I have this leverage right now and I know I’m going to be the first pick in the NFL Draft, I’m going to my agent and saying, ‘Figure out a way for me to not to go Cleveland. Eli Manning this for me.’”

Leaf said John Elway with the Colts in 1983 and Eli Manning with the Chargers in 2004 had the right idea: Simply refuse to play for a team you don’t think will represent your best interests.

“Do something like John Elway or Eli Manning did,” Leaf said. “What if he plays five years there and is mediocre because they never win?”

There’s been no indication that Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield or any of the other top players in this year’s draft would actually go so far as declaring that they wouldn’t play for the Browns. But Leaf thinks they should.

158 responses to “Ryan Leaf: Top QB should pull an Eli Manning to avoid the Browns

  1. My advice to the top QB drafted is not to take the advice of Ryan Leaf. He should follow the George Costanza model of doing the opposite of whatever Ryan Leaf says.

  2. What Elway and Manning did worked, as they both have had successful careers. It is completely unprofessional and wrong though and sets a horrible precedent and defeats the purpose of the draft.

  3. For once I agree with Ryan Leaf.

    The Browns are and will be a mess for years too come.

    It worked for Eli and Elway. They both won 2 Super Bowls each. And the Colts never had a solid team from 83-98 when Elway played. So Elway would have probably never won one in Indy. And as good as the Chargers have been…it has been their head coaching more then their QB. I’m not a big Rivers fan. But he did upset Indy and Peyton twice in the playoffs. So I doubt Eli wins a super bowl in San Diego.

    You don’t typically want to play this card as a college kid. But I would avoid Cleveland like this player right now if I was a QB in the NFL .

  4. The Browns have a decent offensive line, better OC, very good GM, and the drafted QB will sit for a year. There still remains a Haslam and a Hue, but things are looking up.

  5. you have Jarvis Landry, Corey Coleman, and MAYBE Gordon to go with Njoku. The QB has a few options. Now, as a diehard Irish Fan from Boston, i personally think Darnold will be bust. What do I know I am just a fan, but the “experts” and everyone else missed on Tommy except Bobby Grier so thank god for that 🙂 But, out of QB’s in this draft, I am intrigued by Luke Falk of WSU, and Kyle Lauletta of Richmond. Maybe its because those are the guys tied to my team, but I like the small school story.

  6. This is the maybe the one year not to quit on the Browns. They’ve at least made enough moves this off-season to allow them the benefit of the doubt. Not saying they’ll be instant contenders but this could be the start of an upswing.

  7. Eli’s team had it right. Spanos is not a good owner and is solely money interested. Spanos has betrayed SD their fans by ‘relocating.’ Spanos rents everything; his playing field, his practice field, his headquarters and he’ll be renting playing time from Kroenke when the new stadium is available for occupancy. Sadly, the Chargers gave up their equity, identity and fan base when they moved. The Rams ‘own’ LA. Any residual fans are Raider Nation. The Chargers have a ‘mountain to climb’ building a fan base. They’re sort of a step-child in LA.

  8. Taking football advice from Ryan Leaf is almost as bad as taking marriage advice from OJ Simpson.

  9. He’s not wrong, Despite making a few moves, the Browns are still set up for a 5 win season at best. They still kept their 1-31 Head coach, and canned the GM who built the plan to stockpile picks and rebuild the franchise.

    Now, having said that, I think Darnold is highly overrated anyway, and will be mediocre anywhere he goes.

  10. I live in Cleveland amongst all of these Browns fans, and Leaf is 100% right. Don’t ever wind up playing for Browns fans. Browns fans specifically demanded that Brian Hoyer be run out of town as Manziel was their savior. What was Hoyer’s record as Browns starting QB? That’s right. 10-6. How did the Manziel thing work out? Browns fans are beyond stupid. And don’t say Manziel was all Haslam, I shared season tickets so I could see the NFL live, and the entire stadium of fans wanted Hoyer run out of town; Hoyer, who was a high school star in the city of Cleveland and was their best QB since the city got the Browns back. Browns fans are neither loyal, nor even remotely intelligent.

  11. Leaf still looking to spread the blame for his failure in pointing at the Chargers with the Eli comparison. Looks like this guy hasn’t grown up and will continue to have issues. A shame.

  12. navyvandal says:
    March 31, 2018 at 11:32 am
    you have Jarvis Landry, Corey Coleman, and MAYBE Gordon to go with Njoku. The QB has a few options. Now, as a diehard Irish Fan from Boston, i personally think Darnold will be bust. What do I know I am just a fan, but the “experts” and everyone else missed on Tommy except Bobby Grier so thank god for that 🙂 But, out of QB’s in this draft, I am intrigued by Luke Falk of WSU, and Kyle Lauletta of Richmond. Maybe its because those are the guys tied to my team, but I like the small school story.
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    Bobby Grier was long gone and had nothing to do with drafting Brady.

  13. Oh man, what a hilarious cheat that Eli Manning is. Probably why people buy his certified game worn Chargers gear to this day.

  14. Thats such a ignorant statement! Im not a Browns fan but that team is being set up better then almost any team in the NFL. The WR’s, D-Line, O-Line are already some of the better groups in the NFL. Combine that with a the improved secondary along with Hyde and a rising TE in Njoku and you have something. Oh and then can’t forget the #1 and #4 picks haha

  15. See, now that would be so Ryan Leaf to do! The Browns have a new environment and a whole lot of ammunition to build upon. Only a Leaf would want to not be a part of that and be forced to look back at the greatness that was missed.

  16. The old regime is gone.

    The Browns have a new GM, Dorsey, from a reasonably successful team (the Chiefs).
    He will draft a QB and draft some good players and the browns will be close to 500 this year.

  17. So, just suppose he does that, and the Browns draft him anyway? Then what? He sits out of football if the Browns just squat on his rights.
    I suppose he could
    1. abandon football and fall back on his degree in Theoretical Physics (which all NFL players have) and become the next Stephen Hawkings, right?
    2. Hire Kaepernicks lawyer and sue the NFL/NFLPA over the draft for “unspecified damages.”
    In a contest with the NFL over who drafted you, I would bet on the NFL to win. Leaf gives bad advice, I would say. Two examples out of the thousands drafted over the years is not good statistics to bet on.

  18. When you’ve got a team that’s been as consistently bad as the Browns, but still remains profitable due to a loyal fan base, you know that on field production is not a priority; money is.
    Ideally, the fans would be able to force a change, but it’s obvious that’s not going to happen. And you know the other owners aren’t going to force the issue with one of their own.
    What’s left? The players. Maybe let them buy their way out by cutting a percentage of their contract to go somewhere else. Make the team so bad that the league has to step in to force the change.
    Cleveland may be a little better this year, but I don’t expect it to last. Their owner plainly doesn’t care about anything but lining his pockets. His businesses have ripped of their customers for years, expecting him to change is just being naïve in the extreme.

  19. This isn’t your Father’s Cleveland Browns. They have a real GM, and they have changed that roster a heck of a lot. I think Cleveland will be massively improved.

  20. So Ryan; I don’t remember you pulling an Eli and you still sucked. The problem with the Browns has not been killing QB’s it’s been picking QB’s that were about as good as you…!!! I’m not surprised you can’t foresee the Browns potential for success this season, based on the moves they’ve made so far…wait…you’ve never experienced much success in your career…how would you know?…!!!

  21. The Colts bck in the 90’s WERE the Browns of today. How did Peyton Manning do, turning them around.
    As far as Ryan Leaf goes, i bet the Chargers wish he didn’t want to play for them before the draft. A it turned out the Chargers did pick him and he never played for them anyway.
    There have been many first round QB busts in the NFL, To me,Ryan Leaf is considered the biggest.
    I’m not a Browns fan but if they come away with Barkley and a top QB with there 1st and 4th pick,with their free agency moves and the rest of their early draft picks, the Browns will be laughing stocks no more.
    Steelers, Ravens and Bengals should be on notice.

  22. Lol? The Browns are much better spot than the Giants and the Jets. You sit out a year behind Tyrod Taylor and learn and improve. You have a good O-line and some decent receivers and probably a good young running back.

  23. I think the Manning /Elway examples were the exceptions. I would classify them as “silver spooners”. Elway with his dad and the Stanford pedigree and Eli playing off the popularity of his big brother. Does Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield fit that mold?? Are their parent very controlling?

  24. Too late! I am already using that strategy. Let’s see–critize owners favorite political candidate check, have my coach state I will not fit in check, have teammates spread rumors about me check, make it seem like this California kid will not fit in at blue collar USA check.

    Best regards,

    Josh Rosen playing chess not checkers.

  25. Like it or not, Ryan Leaf has a point. And I have seen it played out time and time again. Bad organizations continue to make critical mistake after mistake that kill their own potential and success. Being such a team sport, one critical error in judgement can set a team back two to three years. Smart organizations don’t make such critical mistakes and therefore they stay relevant and in the hunt.

    I accept the draft position stuff, but sometimes if you are a QB and you get with the wrong organization, they ruin careers. I mean did we not see how Jared Goff performed with Jeff Fisher and how he was being called a bust, and then in comes McVeigh and he is in the run for the pro bowl!!! This is kind of what Leaf is talking about. This hard take by Leaf comes about when it is personal. And for him it was. Eli Mannings father lived that nightmare and THAT is the reason he took such a stand to ensure it does not happen to his son. And it mattered. Until the Browns prove they don’t kill QB careers, then I certainly would want to avoid being the QB there until they prove things have changed. At some point they will return to normal competition, they all eventually do, but they don’t always make it to the SB!!! You need either all the best players and coaches, by chance, or you need a brilliant organization.

  26. Eli would have been successful wherever he was drafted. Leaf would have failed wherever he was drafted. It’s the talent that determines who exceeds or fails in the long term of a career. Sure, each situation and team personnel affect the results, but the overall quality of any particular player will be evident, regardless. Hopefully most everybody, especially the top QBs, ignore this lame advice.

  27. Dumb organizations always get in their own way and make a dumb key move. And tear down what they have built. Ryan Leaf is correct.

  28. Bad advice from Ryan Leaf. To his credit, Ryan Leaf has gotten his life turned around, and overcome many of his problems. However, he’s no expert at dispensing advice on what any player should or shouldn’t do career-wise.
    The Browns have made some good moves in the offseason, have a real, bona-fide GM now, and appear poised for further improvement through the draft. Any QB should be eager to play for them, I would think?

  29. I think he’s exactly right. The draft is BS anyway. In what other profession are employees forced to work for the employer that the industry chooses for them? Imagine going to college and getting a degree in computer science and, upon graduating, being told that you’ve been drafted to work as a programmer for a startup company for five years. Also you don’t get to choose the city that you live in or negotiate your salary, and your future earning potential depends entirely on the performance of this company that you didn’t choose to work for. That’s basically how the draft works. If these kids think it’s in their best interest (and it probably is) not to play for Cleveland, then they should absolutely refuse to do so.

  30. I find it odd that whenever an individual makes a unfavorable remark, those commenting attack the person and ignoring the message.

  31. I lost all respect for the Manning family when Eli pulled his crybaby stunt. You are an NFL player and you were picked No. 1 in the draft. You should be grateful for that privilege and not whine about the team that drafted you. The Chargers may have done it solely for leverage to get another draft pick but that was a coward’s display.

  32. It is a fallacy of logic to discount an argument based on the source. Just because Ryan Leaf had a failed career does necessarily mean he is incorrect.

    I’d like to think he’s wrong, and that some QB, at some point, will help them win again (the heir to Brian Sipe). And Cleveland will worship that QB (and coach). Damn, they have to be due.

    However, I think back to how bad teams ruin QBs. He’s right about that.

    Jim Plunkett comes to mind, 2 Superbowl wins after getting hammered in SF and New England and written off as a failed QB. I think David Carr might have been pretty good his line didn’t allow him to be crushed in his first couple of years.

    So, the key question for the Sam Darnold (or any QB going there), is do you have the confidence that their GM and coaching staff can protect you and methodically build a winner. Or at least just protect you?

  33. could not agree more;

    the owner is an egotistical meddling moron who knows less about football than Mel Kiper;

    his buddy, the head coach, is the worst coach in the modern era since possibly Marinelli and knows less about football than the owner;

    for proof, one need look no farther than hoe Hue utterly mismanaged Kizer last season;

    the entire town and area has been enveloped for more than 60 years in a smog-like malaise that not only expects ALL its sports teams to lose, but WORSHIPS them for it—and please, don’t talk about that NBA sham where Lebrun was awarded a championship for returning from Miami;

    the roster has sufficient skill players to out-athletic a few teams from time to time, but who can Hue ever out-coach even if they are awarded a playoff spot (because there is NO other way cleveland ever win 10 games in a season)?

    remember, this is the low watt bulb what had a two score lead on the feared Caldwell up in Detroit going into the second half and couldn’t out-coach him;

    even Minnesota knew to build a domed stadium for its team at that latitude—and that what got it the track team defence like Atlanta that carried them to the title game;

    the only man in this brain trust with a lick of football sense is the GM and it clear he is comprised (emasculated?) by the owner who clearly forced him to keep as HC a man who has no business in the NFL, player, coach or water boy—which makes one question him for taking the job in the first place;

    remember, this was the owner who forced his people to draft Manziel—an overrated under-talented rich spoilt punk who hit more bottles and more women than open receivers in his cup of coffee in the NFL—and then passed the blame onto his coaches and GM, most of whom were summarily dismissed, which must’ve felt like being pardoned by everyone let go;

    remember, Hue is the coach responsible for turning the much feared Red Rifle up in Cincinnati (Dalton) into a perennial playoff pop-gun;

    no, at present there is NO future for a QB in cleveland..in fact, there is no future at all, unless a continual record of 5-11 and 6-10 is considered a bright future;

    problem is, the fans in cleveland for almost 65 years have taken that very history to heart as ‘success’, filling the seats year upon year in a non-domed stadium in a snow belt;

    that might’ve worked in the 1960s, when the NFL were a monopoly and imbecile head coaches commonplace, but that was back when the Beatles were saving rock’n roll from Bobby Vinton and The Beach Boys;

    and just like The Beach Boys couldn’t surf, Hue cannot coach and HazMat Haslam cannot draft—as if that will stop either idiot;

    cleveland is the one place (beyond the current White House and the annual owners’ meeting) where the idiots do, indeed, run the asylum;

    that is hardly the situation one would want to be drafted to play QB in, in ANY round;

  34. Never has a professional organization done less with more than the Browns. Ask yourself honestly if you or your son were to be in the fortunate position to be a top 5 draft pick would you want to go to Cleveland. The answer is no.

  35. All we need is to expand the sense of entitlement that these players often feel anyway. Not one person in the draft has ever done anything on an NFL gridiron and has to prove what they can do through play. We come up every year about how “this is the best draft class ever” and then we end up with, well, Ryan Leafs. He should go back to his cell where he belongs.

  36. Yes they have a new GM, but they still have the same head coach who never had a winning season in either Oakland or Cleveland. Hue Jackson did a good job with Andy Dalton as offensive coordinator for one season, but he failed badly with Carson Palmer, RGIII, and Deshone Kizer.

  37. rho1953 says:
    March 31, 2018 at 12:12 pm
    This isn’t your Father’s Cleveland Browns. They have a real GM, and they have changed that roster a heck of a lot. I think Cleveland will be massively improved

    My father’s Cleveland Browns are in Baltimore!

  38. Yes, because if all the top players refuse to play for the teams drafting high that wouldn’t create an unbalance of talent at all.

  39. I think Leaf was the victim of the media hype. They kept writing stories about Manning or Leaf, saying they were 1 and 1a, so hard to choose, Manning had a higher ceiling but Leaf was more ready to start on day 1. Of course, none of it was true, and at the time I couldn’t believe everyone was buying the noise. Manning was clearly one of those rare surefire franchise guys, and Leaf was a guy that maybe could have had a neat little career in a good situation.

    As for what he said here, it wasn’t said in earnest. He doesn’t really think that would be viable. This is why it is so easy for some people to claim “fake news” because it isn’t “news” it is “who can make the most compelling/controversial/inflammatory statement to drive viewership.” In sports it’s no big deal but it is a corrosive and poisonous problem in traditional news media

  40. For those who follow hockey, it brings to memory Eric Lindros,#1 pick in the 1991 NHL draft, who had said clearly he would not play for the Quebec Nordiques (today the Colorado Avalanche) who owned the first pick. He was chosen by Quebec anyway but never played for them, forcing the team to trade him a year later to the Philadelphia Flyers.The mess was compounded by the fact that Quebec, having a deal in place with Philly, accepted a second offer from the NY Rangers, about an hour later, that was better for them. An arbitrator had to be brought in to sort it out and he ended up starting his career with the Flyers….

  41. They hired an OC who has been to the Super Bowl. They traded for a 100 catch receiver. They added a feature RB who can catch passes out the backfield as well as anyone. Even without Joe Thomas they have an above average offensive line. They have a good starting QB, which means any QB drafted will get a year on the sidelines to develop.

    Leaf has no clue what he’s talking about. He came into a lousy situation in San Diego, but the Browns – finally – are loaded and ready to make some noise.

  42. you are 21 yrs old and about to get 30 million over 5 yrs . and the first year your job is to hold a clipboard. and BTW its a 8 month job. plenty of players come to Cleveland area and never leave. but Ryan u keep running your pie hole.

  43. Some of the best players in the HOF went to terrible teams to start their career.

    Circumstance change and even the lousiest of franchises can get their act together.

  44. Browns are turning the corner. I’m not a fan of theirs, their uniforms are too ugly to root for but they are in decent hands now with Dorsey. I don’t agree with their decision to keep Hue Jackson on as head coach but it is fair to do so. Taylor is a big upgrade over Kizer and they’ll probably draft Darnold who will be starting 2019. I’m predicting 6-10 or 7-9 for the Browns next year

  45. Quit hating on Ryan Leaf. If any of 300 other former nfl quarterbacks had made the same comment most of you folks would agree with it. Leaf was a crappy NFL qb, that he lacked talent and coaching should not equate to him not knowing what he is talking about 20+ YEARS LATER!

  46. bvolke says:
    March 31, 2018 at 11:21 am

    Ryan Leaf should never comment on anything to do with successful football.
    __________________________________

    He’s not, he’s commenting on Jimmy Haslam’s Browns. I happen to think things have begun to trend up there but tbh there’s more to justify Leaf’s take than there is to validate mine.

  47. Ryan Leaf is looking for a scapegoat for how his life turned out. News flash – it’s not because of where you were drafted, it’s because of your personality. Blaming everyone else (teammates, coaches, media) would have happened regardless of where you were drafted. The Browns finally are on the upswing. Look at the moves they have made. They also have 5(!) picks in the first two rounds of this years draft with a new GM who is very good at drafting. QBs should want to be drafted by Cleveland because it’s about to turn around and the QB that finally gets them winning will be an NFL legend.

  48. From a bust player to a coach and having his players getting him drugs. Hmmm! I believe Sam Darnold is smarter than that. And if you don’t like the draft system go ahead sit out. You can’t equate real life business to pro football you are not going to get 6 million dollar bonus when you leave college. I believe the Brownies are heading in the right direction. You can’t win when a GM guts a team of veterans. And Hue needs to win now. Please don’t compare Cleveland to the joke of the white house. And for the fans of Cleveland(most part) we are loyal to our teams not bunch of bandwagoners. Plus I’m not a fan of Sam Darnold but if they draft him I will root for him. Remember he or who they draft is not starting they went out got a Veteran QB. GO BROWNS!

  49. This article tells you all you need to know about Ryan Leaf:

    Leaf had a successful college career for the Washington State Cougars of Washington State University, where he was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy after his junior year. He was selected as the second overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft after Peyton Manning, but his career was short and interrupted by poor play, bad behavior, and injuries, and he struggled with his work ethic and ability to stay focused. An episode of NFL Top 10 ranked him as the No. 1 “draft bust” in NFL history.

    After his NFL career ended, Leaf completed his degree at Washington State. He would later have legal troubles involving drugs beginning in 2010, after a Texas judge sentenced him to 10 years’ probation. Two years later, Leaf pleaded guilty to felony burglary and drug possession in Montana. After a suspended sentence with a stint in drug rehabilitation, Leaf began serving a seven-year sentence in state prison in December 2012. In 2014, Leaf was sentenced to five years in prison for breaking into a home in Montana to steal prescription drugs, which violated his Texas probation. He was released from prison on December 3, 2014.[1]

  50. Ryan Leaf is a joke but sadly, he is right on this one.

    With the ‘qb guru’ Hue and Crooked Jimmy running the show, I’d run like a mofo from this current bogus version of the Browns.

    Heck, I run from my tv when the losers are on.

    Even sucktacular qb’s like Kizer and Kessler are prob thrilled to get out of there.

    Success starts at the top…….we got the Haslam scam.

    When Ryan Leaf trashes you…..you prob deserve it.

    Has Hue jumped in the lake yet?

  51. Why are top QBs the only players that should benefit from this draft exception? QBs have longer careers than, say running backs and thus more time to correct a poor team selection. If this is allowed, why have a draft at all?

  52. All indications are that Cleveland is turning it around and can make a run. They have a good GM, they have kept the coaching situation stable and signed a well known offensive coach. They have 2 quality receivers Landry and Gordan. They just drafted a talented TE. They have loads of cap space. They have a decent QB to start the first year so they don’t have to throw a rookie to the wolves. The AFC North is going to be in decline soon as Roethlisberger and Flacco age. The coaching situations of Tomlin, Harbaugh and Marvin Lewis all look tenuous.
    Not sure this is good advise.

  53. LMAO at people who use their leverage to put themselves in optimal situations. You only think that way because you’ve never had leverage. Also, the draft is ridiculous. Rewarding teams for being awful only ensures that teams will continue to be awful. Use a lottery to slot all 32 spots for the next five years, and then each year do another lottery so that there are always five years of known draft order to facilitate trades.

  54. Top QBs shouldn’t be taking career advice from Ryan Leaf.

    The Browns have the draft capitol to turn this around very quickly. If they get a top QB and either Barkley or Chubb in the 1st that team will be looking a playoff team n 2019. Fans are going to point and laugh but they rarely look past their own nose on things like this.

  55. The only reason Eli Manning even got to tell the Chargers “No Thanks” was Leaf’s worthless a$$ setting the franchise back years. They were gun shy on QBs and Drew Brees was NOT the guy you see today.

    All worked out though.

  56. Watch the Browns use their top pick on a pass rusher or a RB this year. They are that incompetent folks.

  57. Leaf is wrong. Not because he was an NFL bust, but because the Browns are getting better. Dorsey isn’t the greatest GM, but he’s good enough to change them from a laughingstock to team that has a chance to win week in and week out. With a great, young QB, who knows maybe even more.

  58. Regardless of whether he’s right or wrong, I did get a chuckle from all the people saying “Why does Ryan Leaf get an opinion, how can his opinion matter!”

    While they, someone who no football qualifications at all, should be freely able to espouse THEIR football opinions lol.

  59. Out of all those Browns QBs since 1999, 27 or so?, only Tim Couch was decent. Unfortunately he got hurt. None of the other QBs were any good. They weren’t in an ideal situation however none of them was ruined or improperly developed. They just were terrible players as evidenced by none of them succeeding with other teams.No that they have a good GM I like their chances of building a good team, including this year’s drafted QB.

  60. The Browns are very close to turning the corner. Not sure if Hue’s the right coach to optimize this roster, but they’re not gonna be a laughingstock for much longer. And anyone who has been paying any attention whatsoever knows that. In other words, Leaf sounds like my ten year old son, who only knows the superficial things about the teams he doesn’t root for. Leaf should shut it.

  61. Um…. Ryan is still a bigger laughing stock than Cleveland. How is anything this kid says relevant anyway? I’m not surprised that’s his mentality, being the smashing success HE was. Go back to collecting carts at Walmart.
    Times are changing in Cleveland, just wait and see…

  62. Oh the irony. A washed-up draft bust gives excellent advice on how to avoid mistakes. Yeah the messenger isn’t perfect but the has been is getting trashed by the “never was” is just hilarious.
    Yes please keep giving your opinion on how Ryan has no idea but you do.

  63. mapedog1 says:
    March 31, 2018 at 11:43 am
    I live in Cleveland amongst all of these Browns fans, and Leaf is 100% right. Don’t ever wind up playing for Browns fans. Browns fans specifically demanded that Brian Hoyer be run out of town as Manziel was their savior. What was Hoyer’s record as Browns starting QB? That’s right. 10-6. How did the Manziel thing work out? Browns fans are beyond stupid. And don’t say Manziel was all Haslam, I shared season tickets so I could see the NFL live, and the entire stadium of fans wanted Hoyer run out of town; Hoyer, who was a high school star in the city of Cleveland and was their best QB since the city got the Browns back. Browns fans are neither loyal, nor even remotely intelligent.

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    No, we wanted Hoyer gone because he was a pick-6 machine and was never the same after he tore up his knee sliding. Seriously, he ruined his career by giving himself up. Then he went on to become a bad luck charm on what, 3 teams since then?

    The Browns do have a horrible history of picking the wrong guys though. And it’s rare that the first qb drafted ends up being the best of bunch in the long run. Even locks like Andrew Luck have been overshadowed by guys like Russell Wilson. The best thing the Browns have done so far is set the rookie up to set for most of the year. They got a starter that is good, but not great, and a backup that you never want to see play.

  64. I think the QB being selected should be more concerned the Browns want him. For as much of a dumpster fire the Browns have been, what QBs left Cleveland and suddenly became good?

  65. Guys,

    At least be happy for a guy that came back from a really bad self inflicted
    ordeal.

    Never a fan but i am happy he is actually recovered and doing ok.

    And he is actually right.

  66. Ryan who? This guy was a loser who cried and screamed when his team was trying to draft a leader. What had Indy done before Payton got there if you want to talk about the Manning family?

  67. The theory is that the worst teams will pick first and they’ll get better and we’ll have parity. It would be fun if they just put 32 balls in a bucket and picked each round randomly. Stop rewarding teams for poor ownership/management. Some teams are always in the playoffs, even though they pick from the leftovers every year. Other teams get to pick early every year and stay at the bottom.

  68. internetcommenter7 says:
    March 31, 2018 at 2:13 pm

    Also, the draft is ridiculous. Rewarding teams for being awful only ensures that teams will continue to be awful. Use a lottery to slot all 32 spots for the next five years, and then each year do another lottery so that there are always five years of known draft order to facilitate trades.

    ———————-
    Every year the Patriots are at the back of the round yet they still stay consistently at or right next to the top of the league with those being their picks. Anything that could ever result in giving them a top pick under those circumstances would not be good for parity. It could be argued that if they got gifted a top 5 even once it could set parity back a few years. To a lesser degre but still true the same could be said about Pittsburgh.

    Its not intended to reward incompetance, its intended as a way to push the balance of teams back toward the middle. It doesnt do that completely of course, but it helps.

  69. grogansheroes says:
    March 31, 2018 at 11:49 am
    navyvandal says:
    March 31, 2018 at 11:32 am
    you have Jarvis Landry, Corey Coleman, and MAYBE Gordon to go with Njoku. The QB has a few options. Now, as a diehard Irish Fan from Boston, i personally think Darnold will be bust. What do I know I am just a fan, but the “experts” and everyone else missed on Tommy except Bobby Grier so thank god for that 🙂 But, out of QB’s in this draft, I am intrigued by Luke Falk of WSU, and Kyle Lauletta of Richmond. Maybe its because those are the guys tied to my team, but I like the small school story.
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    Bobby Grier was long gone and had nothing to do with drafting Brady.
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    Grier got let go in 2001. Brady drafted in 2000

  70. The way that bad teams can dictate your entire future, i agree.
    I would totally refuse to play for the Browns.
    It’s the kids career they’re talking about. A bad start will completely derail it.
    The young man will only get one shot at it.
    I’d absolutely make it known that i won’t play for them
    If it seems selfish, it is.
    These guys are setting the tone for their career. Not one of them owes the Browns a single thing.
    Is certainly not their fault the team has been absurdly bad for years.

  71. what I will never understand is why in the world did they keep the head couch, why not start completely new, as far as the failed qb he can go suck an egg, the Browns are on the rise

  72. Let’s not pretend that the Browns have drafted, traded for or signed the cream of the quarterbacking crop. Aside from the expansion year choice of Tim Couch, they’ve taken guys in the low first or later. They’ve signed backups, journeymen and guys at the end of their careers. When those guys have gone elsewhere they didn’t exactly blossom. When you draft an elite QB, he’ll work himself to greatness. Eli Manning ironically didn’t want to play for the team that Leaf himself ruined, yet he wants to advise a guy on not going to a team searching for the right man because he thinks they’ll ruin him? Tell you what, if you had the chance to be a starting QB in the NFL for any team good or bad, you’d take it.

  73. “For once I agree with Ryan Leaf”:
    The Browns are and will be a mess for years too come.

    uhhh….’belichickdominatedjoemontana’

    you obviously are not aware of what is transpiring in Cleveland…. therefore, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about…..

  74. Ryan Leaf has always been a self centered jerk. A QB should embrace the challenge of turning Cleveland around. It is not like Dorsey isn’t upgrading the talent. He is and big time. Don’t be a wimp like Leaf. Embrace the challenge!

  75. And Ryan Leaf further shows why he was a draft bust and Payton Manning who happily went to a 3-13 perennial loser team he admitted he didn’t even know existed became a future hall of famer like every hall of fame #1 pick not named John Elway did before him.

    If you have to go to a good team to have a good career that means you need to be carried by others and you’re not that good in the first place.

  76. Eli Manning is a bum for what he did. Brady went to the team that drafted him and built a perennial contender from the 199th hole. Eli went in thinking a SB title was owed him for being the #1 pick and being Peyton’s little brother.

  77. Eli made the right decision. Philip Rivers would probably have more than 2 rings with the Giants had he ever been on a team not fully incompetent from the top down.

  78. #1: As a Browns fan I pray the top QBs will consider Cleveland – we need you!
    #2: Ryan Leaf has no idea what it takes to be a successful NFL QB. Run from whatever that dolt says.

  79. And…how irresponsible is it for Fox Sports to have Ryan Leaf on the air? Most anyone else – heck, my dog, even, knows more about being an NFL QB than that guy. I totally blame Fox. Get him off the air. Incredible! Some up-and-coming sports journalist who has tried to get on the air – find him and ask him what he thinks, instead.

  80. He’s 100% right. Why would a top QB want to and get slaughtered??? Avoid the factory of sadness at all costs.

  81. Great comment. Agreed.

    Before Eli Manning there was John Elway.

    Elway pulled the greatest move in the NFL Draft.

  82. If I was one of the top QBs, i wouldn’t be terribly excited about to the Browns at #1. However, if they were to draft Barkley at #1, I would feel a lot better going to them at #4. A game changing RB seems to set up young QBs for success much quicker these days.

  83. Leaf should’ve knocked out that reporter in the locker room when he had his blow-up. It would’ve been vintage. Right up there with Latrell Sprewell’s post-game choking of Coach PJ Carlismo.

  84. What Leaf doesn’t get is that a lot of the players success is about character of the person, their abilities and perseverance. Look at the Raiders. When was the last time they had developed a QB prior to Carr? Tom Flores in 1960, Ken Stables in 1970. That’s it. They rebuilt Gannon and Lamonica, but not the same.

    The Browns need to get a character guy and surround him with the best players and coaches. Get a Brian Sipe or Bernie Kosar QB.

  85. Although I’m a Browns fan, I can understand the point Ryan Leaf is making here. It’s absolutely true that (a) for a long time now Cleveland has been the NFL’s Siberia, and (b) the team has shown ZERO ability to develop or support a quarterback. So yeah, if that’s the way things continue to go, then if you’re a young QB, you stay away from Cleveland. But the thing to remember is that situations change frequently in the NFL. Bad teams often improve, good teams often decline. The Browns have a new GM, so just because the previous GMs screwed up, that doesn’t mean HE will screw up. The Browns also have lots of cap space and extra draft picks. So the arrow would seem to be pointing up for this team. Granted, we’ve all heard that song before (believe me, we Browns fans have heard the old “things will get better” song so many times that we’re sick of it, especially when Hue Jackson is singing it on his way to an 0-16 season), but let’s try not to be overly cynical. There are reasons to think that there may finally be hope for the Browns. Let’s not assume, as Ryan Leaf does, that things will NEVER change in Cleveland.

  86. The advice Ryan Leaf should be offering incoming QB’s is to keep your head straight, be loyal to the team that drafts you, focus on your trade and be the best that you can be. In other words, don’t be like Ryan Leaf.

  87. I love how some of you — who have never played professional football and have no basis for your opinions — are nonetheless convinced that you know better than a man who actuall played in this league.

    The dude has literally been through this before. You have not. Obviously, he knows a great deal more about the topic than you do.

  88. mikeinthevine says:
    March 31, 2018 at 3:10 pm
    Yeah, Ryan Leaf is a guy you want to take career advice from.

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    WHY NOT? He should at least know how not to do things.

  89. Anyone who takes advice from Leaf a total loser would be an idiot. Cleveland with the right QB is going to be a force. Especially is they take Chubb at 4th. They would have a ferocious pass rush, great running game, good Qb. This team is loaded in talent just needs a leader is all.

  90. The Browns suck.

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    Very articulate. That high-school diploma is really paying off!

  91. With GB brass, young talent and draft picks, including first choice in a good QB draft, this Packers fan thinks anyone still crapping on Cleveland whose team is in the AFCN is shaking in their boots right now. Competitive, driven, confident athletes or businesspeople in any walk of life enjoy the challenge of a turnaround if the pieces are there. If I was any of these QBs I would beg to be drafted by Cleveland. #1 or #4.

  92. The whole purpose of the nfl draft format is for the crappiest team to pick first so they can become less crappy!!! I would pick whoever the hell I wanted to pick and if they don’t want to play they can go flip burgers at mcdonalds! And ryan leaf you just sucked its that simple.

  93. People have this misconception that the Browns constantly pick the wrong QB in the top 10….the only QB since 1999 that they’ve picked in the top 10 was Tim Couch. The next highest selection was #22 (which they got wrong multiple times). Without injuries (suffered because he was rushed into playing on an expansion team), Couch might have had a much better career. The mistake the Browns DO keep making is NOT selecting the QB in the top 10 when they have the chance (Ex: Carson Wentz)…or even other players (Ex: Julio Jones). That ends this year (we hope)…..pick a QB at #1 and let him sit and learn for a year.

    Here is my last point…any QB that would take advice from Ryan Leaf…probably not one that any team would want to go to “NFL war” with. This is Leaf’s way of trying to say “I was a bust…but it was not my fault”.

  94. Ryan Leaf as the “social conscience” for football – about as hilarious as the imbecile voicing his opinions out of the White House. What is sad is that ANY site would even think of giving him even one more second of fame, especially to a guy who never met someone else’s pill bottle that he did not like. What’s next? Johnny Manziel as a counselor for AA?

  95. To Ryan Leaf, before you trash the Cleveland organization from whatever 8×10 cell you reside in, let me ask you this – can you name one damn thing that you did good in the NFL, or even in life? I’m amazed at what crawls out from underneath a rock every so often. For you, I say go take a chill “pill” or maybe the whole bottle

  96. Typical mindset of Ryan Leaf and why he was, is, and always will be a loser: the mindset of a winner should be “I can go to a troubled team and turn it around” NOT “I don’t want to go to a troubled team because it will make me look bad too”.

  97. terryleather says:
    March 31, 2018 at 4:10 pm
    mapedog1 says:
    March 31, 2018 at 11:43 am
    I live in Cleveland amongst all of these Browns fans, and Leaf is 100% right. Don’t ever wind up playing for Browns fans. Browns fans specifically demanded that Brian Hoyer be run out of town as Manziel was their savior. What was Hoyer’s record as Browns starting QB? That’s right. 10-6. How did the Manziel thing work out? Browns fans are beyond stupid. And don’t say Manziel was all Haslam, I shared season tickets so I could see the NFL live, and the entire stadium of fans wanted Hoyer run out of town; Hoyer, who was a high school star in the city of Cleveland and was their best QB since the city got the Browns back. Browns fans are neither loyal, nor even remotely intelligent.

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    No, we wanted Hoyer gone because he was a pick-6 machine and was never the same after he tore up his knee sliding. Seriously, he ruined his career by giving himself up. Then he went on to become a bad luck charm on what, 3 teams since then?

    The Browns do have a horrible history of picking the wrong guys though. And it’s rare that the first qb drafted ends up being the best of bunch in the long run. Even locks like Andrew Luck have been overshadowed by guys like Russell Wilson. The best thing the Browns have done so far is set the rookie up to set for most of the year. They got a starter that is good, but not great, and a backup that you never want to see play.

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    both of you are partially correct…any decent browns fan wants a winner. hoyer was the best option but he was put in a bad position by haslam and the goofs who wanted manziel…a guy who was ILL FIT to be a quarterback in the nfl with ANY team. nothing needs to be said about ryan leaf who was a bum on the field and a failure to society outside of it.

  98. Perhaps, but does Darnold want to wind up with the Giants or Jets instead? Those organizations look just as bleak, if not moreso, than the Browns over the next few seasons.

    Obviously, if you take the historical (backwards) perspective as Leaf does, you wouldn’t want to end up with the Browns, but they seem to be building a solid foundation whereas the Jets/Giants are tearing down and making poor/ridiculous choices. The Browns are trending up; forget about superstitions, they are eventually going to be good on the current trajectory.

  99. I get it… This comment makes it easy to trash him and call him a loser etc.. But he was saying this from a top level macro view perception. Every QB they have had has failed since I can’t even remember 2000?

  100. Leaf is saying this to Guys like Darnold & Allen or Rosen. They have tremendous clout as commodities at this moment and going to cleveland could potentially disallow them to reach potential for variables outside of their control. Therefore they should adopt this approach. If the Browns were not the Browns this would not be an ISSUE!! Everyone Understand now?

  101. Somebody will turn that thing around. And when that someone does, he will have a Favre-like cult following.

    … or worse, we could have another Brady Cult.

  102. Sure – I mean, I get it. But as others have said, it sets a terrible precedent that the NFL can’t possibly allow to become more common. The whole point of the draft is to help the bad teams get better – parity in some form is what the NFL wants.

    Yes – the Browns have terrible ownership. That’s the fault of the NFL. Haslam should have the team taken away from him, just the like Lerners should’ve. They are a depressing lesson in how badly foolish owners can destroy and taint a franchise to its core.

  103. rollsieboys says:
    April 1, 2018 at 8:19 pm
    terryleather says:
    March 31, 2018 at 4:10 pm
    mapedog1 says:
    March 31, 2018 at 11:43 am
    I live in Cleveland amongst all of these Browns fans, and Leaf is 100% right. Don’t ever wind up playing for Browns fans. Browns fans specifically demanded that Brian Hoyer be run out of town as Manziel was their savior. What was Hoyer’s record as Browns starting QB? That’s right. 10-6. How did the Manziel thing work out? Browns fans are beyond stupid. And don’t say Manziel was all Haslam, I shared season tickets so I could see the NFL live, and the entire stadium of fans wanted Hoyer run out of town; Hoyer, who was a high school star in the city of Cleveland and was their best QB since the city got the Browns back. Browns fans are neither loyal, nor even remotely intelligent.

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    No, we wanted Hoyer gone because he was a pick-6 machine and was never the same after he tore up his knee sliding. Seriously, he ruined his career by giving himself up. Then he went on to become a bad luck charm on what, 3 teams since then?

    The Browns do have a horrible history of picking the wrong guys though. And it’s rare that the first qb drafted ends up being the best of bunch in the long run. Even locks like Andrew Luck have been overshadowed by guys like Russell Wilson. The best thing the Browns have done so far is set the rookie up to set for most of the year. They got a starter that is good, but not great, and a backup that you never want to see play.

    ********************************************************************
    both of you are partially correct…any decent browns fan wants a winner. hoyer was the best option but he was put in a bad position by haslam and the goofs who wanted manziel…a guy who was ILL FIT to be a quarterback in the nfl with ANY team. nothing needs to be said about ryan leaf who was a bum on the field and a failure to society outside of it.

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    We should’ve just kept Hoyer. He was always good enough for the team that he was given until our true franchise QB was found. Pettine and Farmer got a raw deal – they did well until Mack broke his leg in that first season and then the running game went away, and with it the play action they had working pretty well. Yes – Browns fans are fickle – but so are ALL fans. Any time a team drafts a new QB the fans want to see him right away. The TEAM needs to do the right thing for the long term, and throwing young QBs to the wolves is rarely the best thing for anyone. The team shouldn’t be listening to the fans.

    We’ve been through a ridiculous number of QBs and for whatever reason under Haslam they’ve shied away from (legitimate) first rounders. Which I get, to a point. We could’ve had Carr or Bridgewater in the 2nd round the year we took Manziel (who WAS Haslam’s fault – I’ve read multiple accounts saying he told them to take Manziel to “generate excitement and sell jerseys”).

    But since then we’ve passed on a bunch of guys who’ve turned out to be pretty good. Of course their experience in Cleveland would’ve been different. I’m all in favor of building the rest of the team until we find our QB. I’m glad they got Taylor – he’s good enough, and may be better than that.

    We just need Haslam to stay out of it and let the football people do their jobs.

  104. Ryan Leaf is still a con artist, sorry to say. I told him on Twitter I wished him well and would pray for him but he still has so many skeletons. Addiction is scary.

  105. The NFL draft – ALL pro sports drafts – are inherently illegal.

    If you went to Harvard Law School and graduated at the top of your class and had many law firms bidding for your services – wouldn’t you want to be able to have the right to choose between them? Pro sports drafts deny people the right to choose between the companies/teams they can go to work for. Unless, of course, they are undrafted free agents.

    Manning and Elway had some leverage to use and they did so. More power to them.

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