Pats now have plenty of ammunition to move up for a quarterback

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Three teams in the AFC East could now be angling for top-shelf quarterbacks in the draft.

The Jets already sit in prime position after moving from No. 6 to No. 3 last month. The Bills, with two first-round picks, two second-round picks, and two third-round picks, have the ammo to make the climb as high as No. 2, maybe No. 1.

And now the Patriots, who have added the 23rd overall pick to go with the 31st pick and two second-rounders, can try to make a move up the board to get one of the best quarterbacks in the incoming class.

It’s no secret that the Patriots are once again looking for a potential successor to Tom Brady, given the trade that sent Jimmy Garoppolo to the 49ers in exchanges for a second-rounder. And if coach Bill Belichick is truly considering a trade that would send tight end Rob Gronkowski to a new team (a proposition that becomes less plausible with receiver Brandin Cooks gone), Gronk could yield another high pick to be added to the pile — or he could be the player who, coupled with the two first-round picks, gets the deal done.

However it plays out, Belichick may have one or more tricks up his cut-off sleeves. Watching it play out over the next three weeks will be one of the most compelling aspects of the offseason.

145 responses to “Pats now have plenty of ammunition to move up for a quarterback

  1. Eh, I’d get a left tackle, and then draft a bunch of safeties and CBs and keep whichever one can get a ham sandwich away from a hungry grizzly.

  2. the pats proved you can find a quarterback in late rounds quite well, wouldn’t you say?

    their needs are on defensive line and linebacker.

  3. I honestly think Gronk may be on his way out. He violated the number one rule: he aired some dirty laundry.

  4. They aren’t going to get a QB.

    Jesus.

    BB will draft a OT and probably that South Dakota State TE.

    Did you miss Brady winning the MVP last season and braeking the Super Bowl record for 501 passing yards at age 40?

  5. Don’t forget that gave away Jacoby Brissett, who despite the Colts pathetic offensive line and getting the tar beaten out of him every week, performed like one heck of a backup QB when he had time to throw.

  6. I tend to agree with derp363. Yes they have plenty of ammunition but do they have a serious target? Don’t think so. They can find their QB in later rounds.

  7. Note to WR don’t reverse the field obnoxiously in a predictable 360 pattern and get knocked out in the SuperBowl.

    Patriots will get best OT available and TE.

  8. still think they’ll go with one of the second tier QB’s, ie. Falk, Lauletta or White in the later rounds and not trade up for one the projected first rounders, ie., Rosen,Allen,Darnold or Mayfield.

  9. They won’t throw away all these assets on a shot in the dark QB. They will solidify the team with players on rookie contracts for the next 4 years (5 for the 1st rounders).

    And the notion that they would give up this financial flexibility for a distraction like OJB (to say nothing of his $$ burden) is downright laughable.

  10. Doesn’t any one in Sports Media look at the history of the Pats. They aren’t packaging picks to move up any further. It’s possible that pick 23 is where they want to be for a certain player. With the amount of QBs that are going to go early that is going to push a lot of defensive and Oline talent back to them. They need it and now they have 3 picks counting the 9ers 2nd rounder with which to get some of it.

  11. I’m no fan of James g, but you tRade him for second round pick, not their first? Now, teams are giving us a ransom to get anew opportunity to draft an unknown. Unforced error.

  12. So outside of the Giants whose training down out of top 5 maybe Cleveland at 4. You have 3 QBs going in top 3 most likely. Denver at 5 maybe but they could take QB at 5. Colts Oakland San Francisco but now you trading up for 5th QB

  13. I’m sorry but this sounds just too ridiculous.

    When has Belichek ever come close to making this kind of trade up? Not in his MO to spend that type of draft capital and committing those types of dollars when he can get 2 players ready to contribute in a draft deep enough to really fill holes.

    The title of this article should start with “What if”

    observations from a Raider fan

  14. j7067 says:
    April 3, 2018 at 7:23 pm

    Mason Rudolph will be there
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    I’d say you hit the nail on the head. There are 5 guys with great potential and he is one of them. He should be there at 23 if they want him.

  15. I thought calling the pats cheaters said all I need to know about you…

    But suggesting that they take Lamar Jackson at 23 takes your lunacy to a special level of idiocy most individuals can’t achieve.

    Bravo

  16. They’ll use the draft picks to replenish the talent they lost this offseason and pick a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round. Brady plans to play another five years. What’s he going to think if they blow all their draft capital on his replacement?

  17. I’m sure all the delusional Patriots fans think he’ll get someone to trade the 31st pick and a 7th round pick to the Browns for the #1 pick. After all, that’s a fair trade right?

    I think to trade up high enough to get one of the top flight QBs it will take both of those first round picks and at least one of the second round picks and even then I doubt it’s enough. Plus, like someone else said, they should draft a tackle.

  18. So the Pats trade Garoppolo (who looks like a Franchise QB) for a second round pick.
    They then that second, along with another second, and two first round picks to draft a QB who they hope will be a franchise QB.
    Something’s not adding up here.

  19. .
    I’m surprised the pats dont have 3 first round picks already. Isnt that the norm every year?
    as for gronk… the dude is always injured he has no trade value.

  20. Isn’t there some part time starter coming out of Michigan that played under Jim Harbaugh that they can probably get in a late round?

  21. No way…Belicheat doesn’t trade up in the 1st. He routinely sends his 1st’s to other teams for players around 25-28 years old. Belicheat doesn’t handle 20 year old kids well, he not a “motivater” by any means whatsoever!!!

    He trades away his 1st’s for men who know the game of Football, instead of a high draft pick that may or may not pan out

  22. .
    The key phrase is “plenty of ammunition”. In such a chaotic draft one never knows is going to fall. If you have the capital, you might be able to move up and snag a top tier player at a reduced price. Also, let’s not forget that the Patriots have a glaring hole at LT and the pickings would have been slim at #31. Several teams with choices in the 20’s have interest in offensive line help.
    .

  23. “Cheaters will move up to take the quarterback from Louisville”

    So Indy finally figured out Luck will never play on an NFL field again?

  24. profootballtalkcom1000 says:
    April 3, 2018 at 7:47 pm

    If the Pats draft a QB that means they really screwed up with the Jimmmy G trade , that tells me the owner did force the move …the beginning of the end for the Pats

    NE could keep Jimmy G. Obviously, you’d rather talk nonsense. When Brady was extended in 2016, Jimmy G was gone. Spare me also how the MVP sucks.

  25. I love patsy fans thinking another Brady is going to fall in their laps in the late rounds.

    The delusion of these snow shovelers knows no bounds.

    Just like Disneyland….”This ride is slowly coming to an end. Please keep your hands and arms inside the vehicle until it has come to a full and complete stop…”

  26. belichickdominatedjoemontana says:
    April 3, 2018 at 7:11 pm
    They aren’t going to get a QB.

    Did you miss Brady winning the MVP last season and braeking the Super Bowl record for 501 passing yards at age 40?

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    Key part of this post is 40. He’s 40 bro. He won’t play forever.

  27. They’re NOT going to draft a QB, plain and simple. They will draft an offensive lineman and/or a defensive end. Whatever they pick in the first round, it ain’t gonna be a QB. They will pick Luke Falk in the second or third round or even later rounds.

  28. redeemerac says:
    April 3, 2018 at 7:48 pm

    So the Pats trade Garoppolo (who looks like a Franchise QB) for a second round pick.
    They then that second, along with another second, and two first round picks to draft a QB who they hope will be a franchise QB.
    Something’s not adding up here.

    NE isn’t trading up for a QB. They are restocking for the future. They also have 15 million in cap space for free agent signings part II.

  29. profootballtalkcom1000 says:
    April 3, 2018 at 7:47 pm
    If the Pats draft a QB that means they really screwed up with the Jimmmy G trade , that tells me the owner did force the move …the beginning of the end for the Pats
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    If Pats draft a QB – they will get one because they’ll want a 3rd – it merely shows the process that Brady is playing at least the remaining 2yrs of his contract (and likely at GOAT level). And then he could play another 2-3yrs after that at a still-good-enough level. With that in mind, the Pats simply couldn’t afford to keep JimmyG, who wanted to play regardless what Pats offered. Do you just pay big bucks to the next great hope and hope he’s as good? No, you keep the confirmed greatest ever QB (at a cheap salary) for another 4yrs and use that time to develop another great guy.

  30. No they don’t. 23 and 31 are a helluva drop from the top 5. Patriots aren’t know for high first rounders, and I don’t think a team will drop from that high for those picks, nor do I think they’ll give up 3 1st’s and both of this years 2nds.

    This means Christian Kirk is a big possibility for them at 23 or 31. They love him.

  31. belichickdominatedjoemontana says:
    April 3, 2018 at 7:11 pm
    They aren’t going to get a QB.

    Did you miss Brady winning the MVP last season and braeking the Super Bowl record for 501 passing yards at age 40?
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    Did you miss the maybe-he’s-lost-a-step 40yo getting the ball swatted out of his hand to seal the win for the Fleagles? If he goes down the team is burnt toast.

  32. I wasn’t overly impressed with cooks. IMO he couldn’t catch away from his body well, ran really fast but couldn’t high point the ball or jump to contest it unless he slowed down.

    Brady dropped a couple right in the bread basket and he couldn’t grab them because of tight coverage.

    This is a steal

  33. I would guess with their 3rd pick (the 1st one of theirs in round two) they’ll get Mason Rudolph. Seems like a player they’d like. I imagine they’ll go OT and perhaps corner in the first round.

  34. Cut Dwayne Allen, Sign Troy Nickolas and Jordan Mathews to replace cookies. And…. They’ll still be 10 million under the cap.

  35. “Looks like a rebuilding job to me.”

    Pats don’t rebuild, they reload and go back to the AFC Championship most years.

  36. All these people saying he won’t draft a QB – Bill could draft a QB just to keep that QB away from the Bills or Jets. If he believes there is a legit QB, don’t be surprised if he pulls the trigger. It’s a win-win. He can either trade him away or use him if the end finally happens with Tom.

  37. justanotherfan101 says:
    April 3, 2018 at 8:49 pm
    Looks like a rebuilding job to me.
    __________________
    Pats have rebuilt 3 times over the last 17 years with the exception of TB and BB

  38. The QB they draft will be hand-picked by McDaniels, not Belichick. That was probably the agreement when McDaniels made the deal to ditch Indy and stay with the Pats. It won’t be in the first round either. It will probably be between rounds 2-5, a project QB that McDaniels can groom until Brady (and Belichick) retires in 2 years.

  39. Somewhere in the Pats draft room… “Hey, Joshy, remember that one year when you infiltrated the Broncos and you drafted Tebow? In the FIRST round?? OMG, that was hilarious! You should do that again, man. I was in tears!”

  40. If anything, the Pats will probably trade down from 31 and pretty ck up another high 2nd rounder and a 3rd or 4th. They got and experienced pro in Cooks for the final year of his rookie deal, then traded for a higher pick. Similar to what they’ve done with Garopollo. It’s apparently their new MO, in case you haven’t caught on. Same deal with their recent DE and LB. It allows them to land top talent on a rookie contract, then reclaim the pick. All while going to two superbowls in three years and filling the roster with quality mid level players. It’s Belichick playing 3-d chess.

  41. When their highest pick is 23rd, they do NOT have the ammunition to move high enough to get one of the top QBs, unless they are going to give away their entire draft to get a backup QB. It cost the Jets three 2nd rounders to move from 6 to 3. I would cost a fortune to move from 23 into the top 5 or 6.

  42. terripet says:
    April 3, 2018 at 7:25 pm
    Cheaters will move up to take the quarterback from Louisville

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    I dont think so. Even with Luck all done they should still be fine with Brisette. He’s better than he gets credit for.

  43. If I was BB I’d trade Gronk and TB to The browns for their 2 first’s, 1 second and 2 3ds.
    Get a rookie QB for 5 years, a LT for 5 years and retool your d with 5 new players in 2nd and 3d round.
    Cleveland would get 2HOF players to build a fan base. NE would be set for a long while as long a BB can find a real QB.

  44. I like to say this every now and then.

    On any given day Belichick is at least 2 moves ahead of his fellow GMs, 3 moves ahead of self-important writers (like all of them) and 4 moves ahead of us denizens of the peanut gallery, and I’m one of them, to the extent of having my own gilded seat.

    In Bill we trust – for instance who ever heard of Garapolo before Belichick found him, who ever heard of Brady before Belichik drafted him, etc.

  45. harrisonhits2 says:
    April 3, 2018 at 8:05 pm
    “Cheaters will move up to take the quarterback from Louisville”

    So Indy finally figured out Luck will never play on an NFL field again?

    54 15 Rate This

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    lol!!!

  46. Funny how everyone is so busy marvelling at the genius of the Patriots that nobody happens to mention how they blew a high draft pick on a one-year rental of Cooks…well, at least he was a key part in winning the…oh

  47. There are enough teams who will dump a vet at the end of camp if a rookie shows enough promise. Surprised they haven’t signed Matt Moore. Not many other potential back-ups with more than a .500 record as a starter. Or playoff experience. Plus he could download the Dolphins playbook twice a year.

  48. johny101010 says:
    April 3, 2018 at 10:21 pm
    If I was BB I’d trade Gronk and TB to The browns for their 2 first’s, 1 second and 2 3ds.
    Get a rookie QB for 5 years, a LT for 5 years and retool your d with 5 new players in 2nd and 3d round
    _______________________

    No team would trade the #4 overall pick (let alone all the other stuff) for a 40 year old QB and a oft-injured TE already hinting at retirement.

  49. Nobody evaluates talent and knows player values like Bill Belichick. He’s the very best of the best and he’s totally focused on this Draft with a plan. This is a rebuilding year with multiple needs but if anyone can pull it off, it’s Bill. My hunch is that there’s a QB who he really really likes and who will fit into the system.
    BTW – Rams just got totally hosed in the Cooks trade. Look at the Miami night game that the Patriots lost. Cooks was absolutely killed by the bigger physical CB with speed, Xavien Howard. That was the blueprint how to beat him, even with the GOAT throwing him the ball.

  50. I think they need more help with the rest of the roster than they need a top college QB, because Brady may last long enough to make his successor unaffordable as a backup. If Brady retires, and they do not have a successor, they can simply tank their way to the top of the charts the next season.

  51. harrisonhits2 says:
    April 3, 2018 at 8:57 pm
    “Looks like a rebuilding job to me.”

    Pats don’t rebuild, they reload and go back to the AFC Championship most years.
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    Pats get back to AFC Championship every year because of the SHAMEFUL weakness of the rest of the AFC East…the idiocy of the Steelers….and most importantly total collusion of refs and NFL schedule to guarantee Home Field Advantage in AFC every year.Your “genius” was outcoached by the Eagles.You lost 2 to the Giants and SHOULD have lost to the Falcons and SheHawks.

  52. So, the Pats need a back-up/future QB, a WR to replace Cooks, a T to replace Solder, a new TE, DLs, LBs, CBs and some Safeties, but they aren’t rebuilding because they still have a 40-year old starting QB???? Ok, here’s your reality check Pats fans, your team is deteriorating. They may still win the woefully awful AFC East next year, but look for them to be one-and-done in the playoffs. Then they will experience the great mediocrity until they find their new franchise QB.

  53. Which QB would be worth that high a price? Of the top QBs in the league, how many were drafted in the first few picks of the first round, and how many in the last half of the second round or later? Too risky drafting a QB that high – it’s not worth the price in picks.

  54. aj66shanghai says:
    April 3, 2018 at 10:57 pm
    Funny how everyone is so busy marvelling at the genius of the Patriots that nobody happens to mention how they blew a high draft pick on a one-year rental of Cooks…
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    The Pats gave up the #32 pick in the 2017 draft for Cooks, and in the 2018 draft the Pats are receiving the #23 pick for Cooks. Even if you work in the other picks involved in the two trades, there is no genuine way to currently consider this a blown draft pick by the Pats for Cooks. We will see what becomes of that #23 pick and will know more in the future.

    Apparently Cooks wants Mike Evans like money, and someone will probably give it to him in 2019 but it was not going to be the Pats. Definitely a good move by the Pats to get this kind of value for Cooks immediately before they get nothing but maybe a 3rd round compensation pick in 2020.

  55. wib22 says:
    April 3, 2018 at 7:24 pm
    why? Brady is finished. Tick tock tick tock

    terripet says:
    April 3, 2018 at 7:25 pm
    Cheaters will move up to take the quarterback from Louisville

    Anyone need more proof that human cloning is real?

    Brady is, like every other player in the NFL, one hit away from the end of his season. He’s also 40 so his seasons are limited as compared to a younger player all things being equal. Bil does what’s best for the team and as far as I can tell, all things considered, there wasn’t a better QB move out there up until now but age is changing the equation. NE got the best possible deal out of TB, all things considered, unless you prefer throwing long bombs in October to playing in the last game of the season.

  56. I’d bet the plan is to strengthen the O-line and procure defenders that can pressure the QB. I guess we’ll see. It is a fairly interesting Spring for the Patriots for a change.

  57. IN BILL WE TRUST!!!

    The Media know squat about the inner workings in New England….

  58. jagsfan1 says:
    April 4, 2018 at 5:54 am

    Pats get back to AFC Championship every year because of the SHAMEFUL weakness of the rest of the AFC East…the idiocy of the Steelers….and most importantly total collusion of refs and NFL schedule to guarantee Home Field Advantage in AFC every year.Your “genius” was outcoached by the Eagles.You lost 2 to the Giants and SHOULD have lost to the Falcons and SheHawks.
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    I suppose they could play the Texans, Titans and Colts twice a year to help improve thier schedule. LOL All those calls that went the Pats way in the SB prove the collusion with the refs. 😉

  59. jagsfan1 says:
    April 4, 2018 at 5:54 am
    Pats get back to AFC Championship every year because of the SHAMEFUL weakness of the rest of the AFC East…

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    Jags – you are absolutely spot on! They play 6 games in the division and usually go 5-1 or 6-0. Then look at their record against the rest of the league! I think last year they went 1-9 and then the year before they went 0-10!

    Finally someone who brings something to the table! NE would win every division in Football.

  60. The Patriots are too smart to take a first round QB when you can actually fill needs with smarter, safer picks. Speculating can be fun but only if it’s realistic and makes sense. This QB nonsense is none of those things.

  61. Not a Patriots fan…well, specifically, not a fan of their fans (you folks are incredibly ignorant and arrogant)…but, for all of you people out there sniffing out a reason to declare the demise of the Patriots and pointing to the Jimmy G trade as your smoking gun, get a freakin’ clue. Jimmy was geting ready to hit free agency…even if the Patriots had offered him more money than any other team, I don’t think he would have re-signed. No way he was going to spend another two or three years sitting behind Brady, and paying your backup more money than your starter is insane…Belichick traded Jimmy while he could still get something out of him. Will the end of the line come for the Patriots and we’ll finally get some relief from the classless trolls with the martyrdom complex? Yes, and it will likely be sooner than later, but let’s be realistic here.

    As for moving up, I don’t see it at all…it just doesn’t fit in with Belichick’s MO. I’m betting they pick up a QB this year, but I think it’s more likely to be Lauleta or Rudolph than Lamar or Rosen.

  62. Who knows what will happen in the draft? I’m getting older, but I seem to remember Aaron Rodgers sitting in the draft room on camera, waiting and waiting!

  63. Moving up to take a first round QB means a first round QB type contract. Hard pass by Bill on this plan. O-lineman and linebacker are going to be the first picks unless a good secondary player slides to them. A QB will be taken by the Pats, but not before 3rd or 4th round.

  64. jagsfan1 says:
    April 4, 2018 at 5:54 am
    Pats get back to AFC Championship every year because of the SHAMEFUL weakness of the rest of the AFC East…

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    Did someone from the AFC South really just call another division shamefully weak? LOL!!!

  65. raiderfool says:
    April 4, 2018 at 12:06 am
    Who cares,theirs no Tom brady on the horizon..

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    When all the teams passed on Brady for five rounds there was also no Tom Brady on the horizon…. Many of the best QBs were drafted in later rounds….heck, some guys were not even drafted (Tony Romo, Warren Moon, Kurt Warner)

  66. jagsfan1 says:
    April 4, 2018 at 5:54 am
    Pats get back to AFC Championship every year because of the SHAMEFUL weakness of the rest of the AFC East…

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    Brady’s winning pct. is surprisingly pretty equal across the board. And Pats have almost always played a first place schedule in Brady-Belichick era.

    vs. AFC East .792
    vs. AFC .778
    vs. NFC .766
    vs. entire NFL .775

  67. If the Cardinals don’t take Mason Rudolph at #15 the Patriots will take him, mark it down.

  68. Why does a team have to move up to get a QB? Why can’t they just draft one that looks like a good value at the time the Pats are on the clock? Nobody moved up to get Brees, or Brady, or Rodgers, the 3 best in the game. Perhaps it is possible that a QB will be effective without a team giving up multiple picks to validate your personal view of QBs as special snowflakes?

  69. daddeeo says: “Get real people. OBJ is a cancer to a locker room. BB is no where near going for that clown.”
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    Albert Haynesworth, Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, Aqib Talib, Michael Floyd, LeGarrette Blount, etc.

    BB usually gets them to tow the “Patriot Way” or cuts them. But doesn’t stop him from trying if the price is right.

  70. akira554 says:
    April 4, 2018 at 10:24 am
    daddeeo says: “Get real people. OBJ is a cancer to a locker room. BB is no where near going for that clown.”
    —————–
    Albert Haynesworth, Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, Aqib Talib, Michael Floyd, LeGarrette Blount, etc.
    BB usually gets them to tow the “Patriot Way” or cuts them. But doesn’t stop him from trying if the price is right.

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    All true… The price isn’t likely to be right. That’s the issue.

  71. campcouch says:
    April 4, 2018 at 2:24 am
    The Pats have nothing that anyone in the top 5 needs or wants.

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    yes we have a roster full of players with playoff and super bowl experience. that is something the browns definitely do not need right?

  72. I’d rather see the Patriots draft a LT and a few off the line LBs with their first 3 picks and then take Luke Falk at 63.

    Their biggest needs are at LT and then LBs

  73. Why do people keep assuming that Belichick is concerned about the long term? We don’t know that he will coach beyond when Brady quits. So, he may not have any specific reason to make sure they develop a young QB. In fact, if the team falls apart after he and Brady leave, it will kind of cement their legacies further (not that they really need it).

  74. jagsfan1 says:
    April 4, 2018 at 5:54 am

    Pats get back to AFC Championship every year because of the SHAMEFUL weakness of the rest of the AFC East

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    Man, don’t be lazy. Go look up the actual division results. The rest of the AFC East is pretty much never the worst in results, pretty much always average or above average.

    I agree with you on the can’t-shoot-straight Steelers, who are becoming a legendary case of squandering talent through lack of leadership & discipline.

  75. If you go by the value chart, the best the Pats could do if they bundled both first round picks in a trade will be to move up to #8. That will not be enough to get one of the top QBs in the draft.

    Not to mention that it would be an admission that they made a massive error sending Garoppolo away.

  76. it would be an admission that they made a massive error sending Garoppolo away

    Explain the financial path to how they could have kept him and Brady.

  77. PAUL SOUSA says:
    April 4, 2018 at 8:50 am

    jagsfan1 says:
    April 4, 2018 at 5:54 am
    Pats get back to AFC Championship every year because of the SHAMEFUL weakness of the rest of the AFC East…

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    Jags – you are absolutely spot on! They play 6 games in the division and usually go 5-1 or 6-0. Then look at their record against the rest of the league! I think last year they went 1-9 and then the year before they went 0-10!

    Finally someone who brings something to the table! NE would win every division in Football.

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    Until the AFC Least features a team or two with a really good QB and coach – something that has been missing in the Least this century – then Pat fan has no credibility when talking about the strength of their division. It’s like every single team in the Least are intimidated by the Pats, with one notable exception being the 2010 New York Jets.

    Pats win the Least every year helped by a favorable record against their division, and then they get a guaranteed home playoff game or a bye. That path makes it much easier to reach the AFC Championship than if you are a wild card and have to scratch and claw your way to get to the conference championship. It really isn’t that difficult to grasp isn’t it?

  78. richabbs says:
    April 4, 2018 at 6:43 am

    So, the Pats need a back-up/future QB, a WR to replace Cooks, a T to replace Solder, a new TE, DLs, LBs, CBs and some Safeties, but they aren’t rebuilding because they still have a 40-year old starting QB???? Ok, here’s your reality check Pats fans, your team is deteriorating. They may still win the woefully awful AFC East next year, but look for them to be one-and-done in the playoffs. Then they will experience the great mediocrity until they find their new franchise QB.
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    Let me go through your list of supposed “glaring needs” one by one.

    – QB: They may take one but don’t NEED to. They will pass and roll with Brady/Hoyer for a year if they don’t absolutely love a QB prospect.

    – WR: Wouldn’t call WR a need, they may add one but certainly not a NEED. They’ll be just fine with Edelman, Hogan, Mitchell, Gronk, Dorsett, Patterson, Britt.

    – LT: Yes, that’s a need that they will 100% address with one of their first 2 picks.

    – TE: Last I check they still have the GOAT TE…NEXT!!!

    – DT: There fine at DT, Malcolm Brown, Lawrence Guy, Danny Shelton and Vince Valentine.

    – LB: Yes, that is a definite need. They will address with one of their top picks.

    – CBs: Gilmore and Jason McCourty are a rock solid top CB pairing. With Eric Rowe and Jonathan Jones as decent nickle/depth CBs

    – Safety: Not a need. They have McCourty, Chung, Harmon. Those 3 have been solid for a long time. Very stable at S. Wouldn’t call it a need.

  79. PAUL SOUSA says:

    April 4, 2018 at 8:50 am

    jagsfan1 says:
    April 4, 2018 at 5:54 am
    Pats get back to AFC Championship every year because of the SHAMEFUL weakness of the rest of the AFC East…

    ——————————–

    Jags – you are absolutely spot on! They play 6 games in the division and usually go 5-1 or 6-0. Then look at their record against the rest of the league! I think last year they went 1-9 and then the year before they went 0-10!

    Finally someone who brings something to the table! NE would win every division in Football
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    Paul … Paul…. Paul…… Please if your going to make statements please make then factual…

    here are the facts:

    2017 AFC EAST GAME RECORD: 5 & 1 BUFF was 9 & 7, MIA was 6 & 10, Jets was 5 & 11

    2017 AWAY/HOME GAMES RECORD: 5 & 2
    5 away games won against other division and conference teams, 3 home wins against NFC & AFC teams,. 2 home game losses against another NFC teams

    2016 AFC EAST GAME RECORD: 5 & 1 MIA was 10 & 6, BUFF was 7 & 9, Jets was 5 & 11

    2016 AWAY/HOME GAME RECORD: 5 & 1
    5 away games won against other division and conference teams, 4 home wins against NFC & AFC teams,. 1 home game loss against another NFC team

  80. Let’s be serious Pat fan. What ONE QB and coach from your AFC Least rivals this century have you been intimidated to see your team face? Cam Cameron? Tony Sparano? Rex Ryan? Dick Jauron? Chan Gailey? Mike Mularkey? LOL. Mark Sanchez? LOL. Trent Edwards? LOL. JP Lossman? LOL. Cleo Lemon? LOL. Chad Henne? LOL. Josh McCowan? LOL. Ryan Fitzpatrick? LOL. Ray Lucas? LOL.

    Stop spinning it Pat fan – other than the short term exception of the Jets your division is trash and it has been for Brady’s entire career.
    It’s like all AFC Least teams cower in fear of the mighty Patriot silver, red and blue. It’s quite pathetic actually. Put the Pats in divisions like the AFC North where your team will be be genuinely hated not feared and let’s see how you do.

  81. Braz says:
    April 4, 2018 at 10:44 am
    If you go by the value chart, the best the Pats could do if they bundled both first round picks in a trade will be to move up to #8. That will not be enough to get one of the top QBs in the draft.

    Not to mention that it would be an admission that they made a massive error sending Garoppolo away.
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    No need to trade up for a QB. Stay put and land 2-3 core players, starters and maybe draft a QB late 2nd or beyond.

    How is it an error trading Garapollo? You have the NFL MVP, who is going to play at an elite level for 2 more years and then probably still be a damn good QB for another year or two after.

    THERE WAS NO PLAUSIBLE WAY to keep Jimmy G. If they hold on to him, he walks to the highest bidder as a free agent anyway. There was no chance of re-signing him because, he wasn’t about to sit for another 2-4 years behind Brady. They wouldn’t have paid him anyway, because its bad business to pay your backup QB starting QB money. The Patriots didn’t plan on Brady being the best QB in football at 40. So their perfect succession plan didn’t work out and they got caught in a no leverage situation which is rare.

    Please explain a realistic scenario in which they keep and transition to Jimmy G?

    I’ll be wait, because no one has presented one yet.

  82. Most are speculating about BB using pick 23 to get a perceived top QB. He got Brady at 199. Maybe he’ll get Solder’s replacement to protect Brady. With Brady’s 3 top weapons gone, he’ll stay in the pocket longer. He needs a good body guard.

  83. Braz says:

    April 4, 2018 at 10:44 am

    If you go by the value chart, the best the Pats could do if they bundled both first round picks in a trade will be to move up to #8. That will not be enough to get one of the top QBs in the draft.

    Not to mention that it would be an admission that they made a massive error sending Garoppolo away.

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    Best “value” would be waiting on a QB till later rounds. Pats have much, much more pressing needs in the front 7 and offensive line. Paying 1st rd QB money is not great value for a contending team with other holes to fill. Having an expensive rookie backup QB or a 20+ million dollar backup QB in Garappolo is terrible value.

  84. Braz says:

    April 4, 2018 at 10:58 am

    Let’s be serious Pat fan. What ONE QB and coach from your AFC Least rivals this century have you been intimidated to see your team face? Cam Cameron? Tony Sparano? Rex Ryan? Dick Jauron? Chan Gailey? Mike Mularkey? LOL. Mark Sanchez? LOL. Trent Edwards? LOL. JP Lossman? LOL. Cleo Lemon? LOL. Chad Henne? LOL. Josh McCowan? LOL. Ryan Fitzpatrick? LOL. Ray Lucas? LOL.

    Stop spinning it Pat fan – other than the short term exception of the Jets your division is trash and it has been for Brady’s entire career.
    It’s like all AFC Least teams cower in fear of the mighty Patriot silver, red and blue. It’s quite pathetic actually. Put the Pats in divisions like the AFC North where your team will be be genuinely hated not feared and let’s see how you do.

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    Actually Brady does have some fear about playing in Miami. He’s been kind of bad there with a 7-9 record and 15 INTs.

    And please explain why Brady’s winning pct. is fairly equal across the entire NFL even with playing a 1st place out of division schedule almost every year.

    vs. AFC East .792
    vs. AFC .778
    vs. NFC .766
    vs. entire NFL .775

  85. Braz says:
    April 4, 2018 at 10:52 am
    PAUL SOUSA says:
    April 4, 2018 at 8:50 am

    jagsfan1 says:
    April 4, 2018 at 5:54 am
    Pats get back to AFC Championship every year because of the SHAMEFUL weakness of the rest of the AFC East…

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    Jags – you are absolutely spot on! They play 6 games in the division and usually go 5-1 or 6-0. Then look at their record against the rest of the league! I think last year they went 1-9 and then the year before they went 0-10!

    Finally someone who brings something to the table! NE would win every division in Football.

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    Until the AFC Least features a team or two with a really good QB and coach – something that has been missing in the Least this century – then Pat fan has no credibility when talking about the strength of their division. It’s like every single team in the Least are intimidated by the Pats, with one notable exception being the 2010 New York Jets.

    Pats win the Least every year helped by a favorable record against their division, and then they get a guaranteed home playoff game or a bye. That path makes it much easier to reach the AFC Championship than if you are a wild card and have to scratch and claw your way to get to the conference championship. It really isn’t that difficult to grasp isn’t it?

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    youre just making excuses. the reason the pats win is because they are smarter and work harder than all other teams. plain and simple. make any excuse you want.

  86. richabbs says:
    April 4, 2018 at 6:43 am

    So, the Pats need a back-up/future QB, a WR to replace Cooks, a T to replace Solder, a new TE, DLs, LBs, CBs and some Safeties, but they aren’t rebuilding because they still have a 40-year old starting QB???? Ok, here’s your reality check Pats fans, your team is deteriorating. They may still win the woefully awful AFC East next year, but look for them to be one-and-done in the playoffs. Then they will experience the great mediocrity until they find their new franchise QB.

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    Well Pats do have a “new” top WR joining them this coming year in Julian Edelman. And plenty of talented WRs get disgruntled and want a trade or get cut so Pats will be shopping and easily find someone to plug in and perform.

    And the only need a 2nd TE, Gronk isn’t going anywhere, especially now.

    And if your going to call Brady old, you also have to call him “reigning NFL MVP”

    And AFC East had 2 playoff teams last year, more than most divisions.

  87. Did you miss Brady winning the MVP last season and braeking the Super Bowl record for 501 passing yards at age 40?
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    Did you miss the maybe-he’s-lost-a-step 40yo getting the ball swatted out of his hand to seal the win for the Fleagles? If he goes down the team is burnt toast
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    You’re right, a QB in his 20s or 30s never has a ball swatted out of his hands. If he gets hurt, the team is done? I thought it was the system and they’d still win 10 or 11 because Brady is a dink and dunk qb. Which is it?

  88. Um, did you not watch the Patriots first and last games of the season? They don’t need a QB, for the future or a backup right now, as much as they need D line help, or secondary. QB is not a first round priority for them.

  89. The Pats did not lose the SuperBowl because of Brady who threw for 500 yards.
    They lost because of Belichick’s coaching decisions. That hurts to write, but it’s true.

  90. I could see Belichick trading a #1 to gain more 2nd and 3rd round picks. Corners and Safeties are thick this year. There will be good prospects available in rds 2 and 3.
    Edge rushers are thin. If you want a sure fire potential starter for day 1 you’ll have to grab one early in rd 1. Day 1 starting O-Lineman are not plentiful. It’s not a good year for them.
    I seriously doubt he trades up for one of the 4 touted QB’s. I don’t think it’s a very deep year for QB’s. I can’t see where any of the top 3 would be a starter in Sept. Maybe Darnold.

  91. vanmorrisey: you obviously don’t know your own team. They traded for a first round pick to get a QB. They wouldn’t make that trade for any other reason

  92. j7067 says:
    April 3, 2018 at 7:55 pm
    He’s going to package 23 and 63 to jump up and grab Roquan Smith.

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    You might be correct on that.

    Also, they will not take a QB in round one. Lauletta, Rudolph and Faulk will be there in rounds 2 and 3

  93. Keith Hernandez says:

    April 4, 2018 at 1:56 pm

    vanmorrisey: you obviously don’t know your own team. They traded for a first round pick to get a QB. They wouldn’t make that trade for any other reason
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    Based on…. what exactly? They traded Cooks because good WRs contracts are skyrocketing (ie Mike Evans) and they have to pay Cooks after next year. A first rounder is an excellent return on him and it opens up cap space. They have much bigger holes on both sides of the line. QB will be taken, but not before 3rd, 4th round.

  94. Very unlike Belechick to move up, or spend a bunch of pics for one guy. Have they ever tried a big jump up the board with Belechick in charge?

  95. Braz says:
    April 4, 2018 at 10:52 am
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    Let’s forget the fact that the Pats have over a 700 winning percentage in every division but their own. Largely because it’s way too convenient to look up and dismisses just about every argument about their perennial schedule favoritism. Regardless of that largely irrelevant factoid, someday somebody will have to explain to the people who just can’t grasp this that the schedule makers continue to fail to make the schedule harder for the teams that make it to\win the SB. Every time the Pats make it to and win their SB the schedule just keeps getting easier and easier. Said nobody … ever.

  96. Pats are playing a guy in his forties when a young healthy Jedi-level QB like Kap sits waiting for a call. Collusion. Kap was the missing piece that would have got them a superbowl win last year. Scheme coaches like Belichik just don’t like the fact that you can’t control a mobile improvisational QB like Colin Kapernick.

  97. stevejjones says:
    April 5, 2018 at 10:47 am
    Pats are playing a guy in his forties when a young healthy Jedi-level QB like Kap sits waiting for a call. Collusion. Kap was the missing piece that would have got them a superbowl win last year. Scheme coaches like Belichik just don’t like the fact that you can’t control a mobile improvisational QB like Colin Kapernick.
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    Or it could be that the only plays QBs like Kapernick make are with their feet instead of their arms. Not sure how many times we have to pull out the over-rated card with Kapernick but here’s another one in case you haven’t been paying attention.

  98. exinsidetrader says:
    April 4, 2018 at 1:18 pm

    The Pats did not lose the SuperBowl because of Brady who threw for 500 yards.
    They lost because of Belichick’s coaching decisions. That hurts to write, but it’s true.
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    The Pats still would have lost if Butler played. Butler ain’t all that and never was. Coach Belichick did what he felt was best for the team and rightfully so.

    Also if Brady played better in the first half the Pats would have won that game by double digits.

  99. Braz says:
    April 5, 2018 at 2:44 pm

    The Pats still would have lost if Butler played. Butler ain’t all that and never was. Coach Belichick did what he felt was best for the team and rightfully so.

    Also if Brady played better in the first half the Pats would have won that game by double digits.
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    Sigh – the Eagles won. We get it already. That still doesn’t mean Foles outplayed Brady or that Brady was the primary reason behind the loss. It’s more than a bit disingenuous to say they would have still lost with Butler. While you ‘might’ be correct there is still more than enough room to argue Butler was better than either ERowe or JBademosi. In fact, there’s very little room to argue otherwise. It may not have been enough in the end but there will always be the argument the chances would have been significantly better.

  100. Through the first half:

    Foles: 13-of-22 for 215 yards, one touchdown, one interception, and an 88.3 rating.
    Brady: 12-of-23 for 276 yards, no touchdowns or interceptions, and a 95.6 rating.

    If you want to argue Brady should have performed better as a WR in the first half you might have a point. Otherwise, your point seems a bit muddled by the facts.

  101. fireroger says:
    April 5, 2018 at 3:19 pm

    Through the first half:

    Foles: 13-of-22 for 215 yards, one touchdown, one interception, and an 88.3 rating.
    Brady: 12-of-23 for 276 yards, no touchdowns or interceptions, and a 95.6 rating.

    If you want to argue Brady should have performed better as a WR in the first half you might have a point. Otherwise, your point seems a bit muddled by the facts.

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    I didn’t say Brady was terrible in the first half but he did miss a lot of makeable throws in the first half, bouncing them in there. 12 of 23 is barely 50%, it’s nothing to boast about. He also threw a weak lollipop to Amendola on blown coverage. Amendola caught it but he had to stop and settle under the ball like a CF making a routine flyball catch. If Brady had make a good throw, Amendola was gone. As easy a TD as you’ll ever see in the NFL. That cost the Pats 7 as the Pats got nothing on the drive. A TD there would have completely changed the way the game played out. And yeah, the dropped pass was a big deal.

    Foles outplayed him from start to finish. Period.

  102. In order to get to the #4 overall pick, the Patriots would have to trade to Cleveland picks #23, 31 and 43. I just don’t see the Patriots giving up that many picks for a QB who won’t play in 2018. That would put their first pick, besides a QB who won’t play in 2018, at pick #63.

  103. Braz says:

    Foles outplayed him from start to finish. Period.

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    No he didn’t, you were just shown stats that proved otherwise. And Brady was going against a much tougher defense (Def DVOA PHIL-5th Pats- 31st) AND Brady had his top 2 WRs out for most/all of the game.

  104. Rate This
    Braz says:

    I didn’t say Brady was terrible in the first half but he did miss a lot of makeable throws in the first half, bouncing them in there. 12 of 23 is barely 50%, it’s nothing to boast about. He also threw a weak lollipop to Amendola on blown coverage. Amendola caught it but he had to stop and settle under the ball like a CF making a routine flyball catch. If Brady had make a good throw, Amendola was gone. As easy a TD as you’ll ever see in the NFL. That cost the Pats 7 as the Pats got nothing on the drive. A TD there would have completely changed the way the game played out. And yeah, the dropped pass was a big deal.

    Foles outplayed him from start to finish. Period.
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    12 of 23 is barely 50%. It’s also exactly one less completion than Foles. Since we’re not boasting. rolleyes

    A better thrown ball to Clement would have resulted in 2 points. Does that count as well? It’s rhetorical you don’t need to bother to answer that question.

    Foles only outplayed Brady because you say so. That’s it. You can’t statistically back it up of course so you’ll continue to dance around it by pointing out blown opportunities by Brady while completely dismissing the exact same thing for Foles.

  105. Braz says:

    The Pats still would have lost if Butler played. Butler ain’t all that and never was. Coach Belichick did what he felt was best for the team and rightfully so.

    Also if Brady played better in the first half the Pats would have won that game by double digits.

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    Zero proof that Butler would not have helped. And yet plenty of proof that he would have. He’s a good corner (not top tier, but good) and he’s one of the best tacklers on the Pats. That would have helped a lot on the busted plays where the Eagles got big chunk yardage. Would that have been the difference, who knows? But certainly and indisputably would have helped.

  106. Matt Cassel, 7th round, Jimmy G, 62nd pick, Brady, 6th round. I think there’s a better chance the Pats will trade down to pick a QB, and get extra assets in the deal.

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