Patriots have big influx of young talent coming in 2018

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Super Bowl teams rarely have the draft capital necessary to see a big influx of young talent the next season. But this year’s Patriots will be an exception.

New England has acquired an extra first-round pick and an extra second-round pick this year by trading Brandin Cooks and Jimmy Garoppolo, and the Patriots have all their own picks in the first three rounds of the draft as well. But the influx of young talent goes beyond just that.

Last year the Patriots traded away their first- and second-round picks, but they had two third-round picks. The two players they selected, defensive end Derek Rivers and offensive tackle Antonio Garcia, both missed the entire 2017 season, Rivers with a torn ACL and Garcia with blood clots. Both players are expected to be healthy and ready to go in 2018.

That means the Patriots essentially are adding two first-round picks, two second-round picks and three third-round picks to a team that was already good enough to go to the Super Bowl. With seven talented first-year players, there’s every reason to think the Patriots can be a more talented team this year.

136 responses to “Patriots have big influx of young talent coming in 2018

  1. The Patriots having a bounty of draft picks would mean a lot more if the Patriots had shown they could draft well.

    Look at their recent drafts if you don’t believe me.

  2. Meh been a Pats fan since Bledsoe/Parcells and as a good a run as they’ve had, I think this is the end of the line. Maybe one more Superbowl run but that’s questionable. They lost ALOT of good players to free agency and Brady, Gronk and Edelman are all a year older. If they can shore up the defense and beef up the O line they should be OK. But their dynasty years are likely at an end. Wish we didn’t trade Jimmy G =(

  3. wib22 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:12 am

    Sadly, Brady is done. If you listened to his interviews post super bowl, he’s mentally checked out.
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    You might want to tell that to Brady. Poor guy was in Foxborough last week throwing with Edelman.

  4. wib22 says:

    April 12, 2018 at 8:12 am

    Sadly, Brady is done. If you listened to his interviews post super bowl, he’s mentally checked out.

    ————-

    The guy is renowned as highly-competitive. Talking to someone like that after they fall in a Super Bowl, I’m not imagining a happy-go-lucky tone or mood.

    Amazing, the nay-sayers. Brady has been to the big game literally half of the seasons he’s been a starter in a long, decorated career. It not only speaks to his own greatness, but the team/organization he plays for that puts them in position to compete every year. I’m not a Pats fan, but I think my money is on Bill’s plan against the rest of the field.

    But oh yeah, it’s a glass house built on cheating. Right….

  5. The article does not discuss the totality of the Patriot offseason. Belichick has picked up THREE former first round and THREE former second round picks (Patterson, Clayborn, Shelton, Niklas, Hill and Matthews) to go with the NINE 2018 picks and the TWO picks from last year. In total the Pats have TEN First and Second Round picks coming to the program in addition to their two returning picks from last year. They’ve picked up other players to fill holes in their team (Tobin, Bowanko, McCourty). They will likely draft a developmental QB (Mike White, Kyle Lauletta or maybe Woodside) who will be ready to play in 2020 if not before. Don’t be surprised if Belichick picks up a failed experiment like Paxton Lynch in a trade or Davis Webb off the waiver wire when teams cut down to 53. And the talking heads (Adam Schein in particular) are saying the Patriots had a terrible off season? In his 19 years as the head coach of the Pats Belichick has developed a reservoir of data on every player currently in the NFL so his reclamation projects will again surprise. He even employs college head coaches to advise on players being drafted (e.g. former Arkansas head coach Bret Bielema) and regularly mines his unmatched personal sources like Saban. Lots of fun watching people try to figure out the Patriots plans who don’t understand the comprehensive intelligence system Belichick has put in place that keeps the Pats chugging along.

  6. The clearest indication every year that spring is just around the corner – the annual letters, articles, etc of the Patriots’ demise.

    I just heard a robin outside.

  7. Yup, Lining up another 10 years of dominance and paving the way for the Young to take over from the wise old masters. Very similar to Yoda and Obi-Wan passing the Light Saber Luke. It’s a shame the other teams in the NFL can’t learn from the Patriots success.

  8. exinsidetrader says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:40 am
    “Brady is done” Yes, only 500 yards in the SuperBowl.
    _____________
    …….and a loss.

  9. .
    The Patriots also have former 3rd round pick, DT Vincent Valentine and former 2nd round pick, Cyrus Jones coming back from IR.
    .

  10. goodellisaclown says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:30 am
    wib22 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:12 am

    Sadly, Brady is done. If you listened to his interviews post super bowl, he’s mentally checked out.
    ________________________________

    You might want to tell that to Brady. Poor guy was in Foxborough last week throwing with Edelman.
    ________________
    It’s called off season workouts.
    All teams are doing it this week.

  11. This means a lot of veterans will soon be available to contribute to other teams. This is the Patriot way. Dump more experienced players before they command big contracts. It’s worked well for them so far. The only trouble with them needing to wholesale turn over their roster, is that they won’t be able to trade these players for draft picks etc. that wind up going on the cheap. But I’m not sure that will make a difference in how the patriots perform this year. They always seem to get it together and be a contender. I’m going to study the draft and see who they pick, and then see who my team might be able to get off the street that will help them.

  12. deneb1973 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:34 am
    He even employs college head coaches to advise on players being drafted (e.g. former Arkansas head coach Bret Bielema)
    ___________________
    ‘THE’ Bret Bielema?
    Who went 4-8 last year?
    Awesome!

  13. NEVER write Bill and Brady off.

    And we need a Gruden vs Belichick playoff game before they retire!

  14. If you want to see the CRYBABIES come out of the woodwork post an article about the Patriots

    EVERY offseason the same song and dance “the Patriots are done” blah blah blah….then October comes and these same crybabies slowly disappear. Look for more of that this season.

  15. While this is all true about the draft picks, they still have to hit on them. The disappointing thing is they should have even more, except Bill didn’t maximize Jimmy G’s trade value.

  16. BB at his best. Coming off a SB loss, down to the wire, this team will be young and loaded for a deep run, hopefully a lot healthier this time.

    Jealousy to continue.

  17. Ewhite1065 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:44 am
    Yup, Lining up another 10 years of dominance and paving the way for the Young to take over from the wise old masters. Very similar to Yoda and Obi-Wan passing the Light Saber Luke. It’s a shame the other teams in the NFL can’t learn from the Patriots success.

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    They’d rather be jealous, entitled and lazy, and collude with Goodell to make up stories and framejobs to steal picks.

    Just think: Goodell successfully cheated NE, possibly, out of 2 SB wins in SB 46 and SB 52.

    TWO 1st rd picks were not present to try to help the team win.

    What we’re witnessing is unprecedented in the history of sports.

  18. “Too bad the Pats have been horrid in the draft.”

    Yet somehow they’ve managed to cobble together enough talent to go to eight Superbowls in the last 18 years, including the last two.

  19. shackdelrio says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:24 am
    The Patriots having a bounty of draft picks would mean a lot more if the Patriots had shown they could draft well.
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    Wrong! He drafted Brady, Edelman, Gronk, JimmyG, James White, Donta Hightower, Ebner, McCourtney, Cannon, Chung, Mayo, Slater … then there was Logan Ryan, Solder, Vollmer, Maroney, Mankins, Wilfork, Koppen, Matt Light, Deion Branch, ……. meanwhile the likes of Mitchell, Valentine, Flowers, Karras, Fleming, Malcolm Brown, Roberts, Harmon and Jones are all developing nicely. Belichick has always been better than most at both drafting and trading, he’s just been a little unlucky with injuries – in 2017 Pats were the most banged up team in the league (and in 2015 too, alongside the Giants) but still almost won the SB both years.

  20. It would be an influx of talent if the Pats knew how to draft talent. It’s like 1/6 turn-out to be talented.

    I wouldn’t doubt if they traded some of those pics for talent that has been in the league for a while. That seems to be Belicheck’s MO.

  21. They will add talent, but have also lost talent, including Brandon Cooks and Malcolm Butler. There is no guarantee that draft picks will turn into good players, even though some may become pro bowlers or even hall of famers.

  22. 6ball says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:51 am
    .
    The Patriots also have former 3rd round pick, DT Vincent Valentine and former 2nd round pick, Cyrus Jones coming back from IR.
    .

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    There’s a load of young talent and upside, it’s just a matter of how it shakes down. I was reading an article yesterday on the league’s main site where they made it seem like the Pats were in a dire situation.

    Absolutely comical.

    BB has 4 picks in the top 64. That’s devastating news for the rest of the league.

    From 2010-2012, he had 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds, which is what built this mini dynasty off the Lockout.

    It’s been utter genius to watch him trade, find UDFAs, and draft pretty well overall during this time.

    LAst year’s draft was weakened by cheater Goodell and injuries, so it’s an incomplete. But, if you look at the entire picture where he also collects other teams’ 1st rd disappointments, one the last years of their rookie deals, it’s just genius.

  23. Wrong! He drafted Brady, Edelman, Gronk, JimmyG, James White, Donta Hightower, Ebner, McCourtney, Cannon, Chung, Mayo, Slater … then there was Logan Ryan, Solder, Vollmer, Maroney, Mankins, Wilfork, Koppen, Matt Light, Deion Branch
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    Cool you named 20 guys over a 20 year span. Some of whom aren’t/weren’t anything more than a role player. News flash, thats not even average.

  24. the consensus amongst many posting here seems to be that both Brady and Belichick stink at what they do.

    I guess this is an instance where 2 wrongs do make a right.

  25. bengal4life says:
    April 12, 2018 at 9:12 am
    It would be an influx of talent if the Pats knew how to draft talent. It’s like 1/6 turn-out to be talented.

    I wouldn’t doubt if they traded some of those pics for talent that has been in the league for a while. That seems to be Belicheck’s MO.

    —————-

    Possibly. BB is great at looking at talent that other team’s squander. Take Rex Burkhead for example. The guy did nothing with the Bengals under Marvin Lewis and yet BB turned him into a quite productive situational contributor. I cannot wait to see what BB does with Cordarelle Patterson.

  26. BB is a great GM. No GM/VP/owner/manager of a football team can say they hit on ever single drafted player. None… If you hit on half of them you are doing very well. These Patriots are the best run organization in Pro Football. Plain and simple.

    They will be back in the Playoffs next season. Can’t wait for opening day!

  27. Old and busted: Jimmy G is just another system QB propped up by der cheatars, the Niners were stupid to get him
    New hotness: Three-in-four years SB participant Patriots will never recover from trading away Jimmy G, greatest player of all time, in order to have the cap room to sign six other high picks in support of reigning league MVP Tom Brady

  28. What is really laughable to me as a Patriots fans is back this time last year people were talking about trading Jimmy Garoppolo before the draft and the main debate was his value which many placed as mid to late round picks, some admittedly as high as a second rounder but NOBODY was talking a first rounder (For a guy who had only started two games and then got injured).

    Lets put this one to bed the Patriots choice was Brady OR Garoppolo and anyone who thinks they were going to let Brady go is simply delusional. Yes it would have been nice to keep both but totally undoable.

    As for the compensation they got for him could it have been higher… possibly but it seems to me they were willing to give up a little to place Jimmy in A) A good situation and B) Where he would have minimal impact on the Patriots future. To those idiots who thing Bill Belichick was getting back at his owner by trading him for what he did you are crazy. Robert Kraft would have had to totally sign off on the deal and if he did not think it was good enough I can assure you he would have vetoed the move.

  29. Ewhite1065 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:44 am
    Yup, Lining up another 10 years of dominance and paving the way for the Young to take over from the wise old masters. Very similar to Yoda and Obi-Wan passing the Light Saber Luke. It’s a shame the other teams in the NFL can’t learn from the Patriots success.
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    If by success you mean chopping every corner and bending every rule in the book to win, then yes, I’m surprised other teams haven’t gone that route. With the constant scandal that is the Patriots sitting on the tip of the tongue of every media outlet available, you would assume most teams would rather refrain from the large fines and removal of draft picks, but heck If they are gonna cheat, why not everyone else right?

  30. crush22 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:52 am
    goodellisaclown says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:30 am
    wib22 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:12 am

    Sadly, Brady is done. If you listened to his interviews post super bowl, he’s mentally checked out.
    ________________________________

    You might want to tell that to Brady. Poor guy was in Foxborough last week throwing with Edelman.
    ________________
    It’s called off season workouts.
    All teams are doing it this week
    ________________________

    Tell that to Khalil Mack.

  31. The patriots are a prime example of how HARD it is to win a super bowl.

    The 18-1 season.

    Last years performance 505 yards zero interceptions

    And that is With Tom Brady.

    No point in drafting a QB. The future is now. I would easily endure 5 more losing seasons for the privilege off just one more super bowl win.

    Load up on winning now. There is no guarantee you will ever make it back even with Brady let alone without him. But I like my chances with him.

  32. bengal4life says:

    April 12, 2018 at 9:12 am

    It would be an influx of talent if the Pats knew how to draft talent. It’s like 1/6 turn-out to be talented.

    ____________________

    Yet they have been to the Super Bowl eight times since 2001 and won five of them. Go figure…

  33. bengal4life says:
    April 12, 2018 at 9:12 am
    It would be an influx of talent if the Pats knew how to draft talent. It’s like 1/6 turn-out to be talented.

    I wouldn’t doubt if they traded some of those pics for talent that has been in the league for a while. That seems to be Belicheck’s MO.

    ——————–

    Since 2010, no one has had better draft yields than the Pats, overall. That includes back end of the draft and UDFAs.

    Your team was in that max through 2013ish, and have fallen off with Houston in the AFC. Maybe KC could be mentioned in there, too.

    NE was the youngest team in NFL history to win a SB in February of 2015, so none of what you or anyone else says on this topic makes any sense, as per usual with the lies surrounding the Pats.

    You keep running your mouth, the Pats will continue playing in title games.

  34. I hope Garcia can contribute this year. Like most Belichick picks, I’d never heard of the guy on draft day, but I watched some of his tape and man, is he nasty. Plays with a mean streak, finishes blocks HARD. But losing like 30 lbs is crazy. Hopefully he can get his weight and strength back up, but they JUST cleared this guy to resume football activities like a week or two ago. I’m not optimistic that he’s ready for Week 1, albeit sight unseen. That just doesn’t sound promising. And they worked out the tackle from Texas, heard they’re looking at the kid from UCLA too. But one thing that always stood out amongst all the nuggets of Belichickian wisdom I’ve heard, is probably the most basic: [it would be] “irresponsible of me as a coach to not teach blocking, tackling, running on a daily basis.’’ Blocking, tackling, running….I mean, that’s the brass tacks of football. It happens on pretty much every single play. I think he’d also agree that injuries are part of the game and depth is crucial. So I can envision Belichick wanting to bring as many good OLs into camp as possible, I guess interest in other players doesn’t mean Garcia is a no-go. But I’m just not counting on a guy to be back in football shape just like that after a serious health issue. I remember Jamie Collins had that weird illness a couple years back and he lost a bunch of weight too. He was quite the same for a while when he returned, and he’s one of the most freakish athletes in the League, a league already full of freak athletes. I think the Pats have 5 picks in the Top 100. Need to get at least three solid starters out of that, OLs and defense, mostly. Maybe pull the trigger on one of the top QBs if they fall and you like them. But honestly, I’m ready to suck when Brady retires, we’ve had an unprecedented run of success. Win whatever you can NOW. And one more thing I was thinking, and then I promise I’ll shut up, how do you draft OLs right now with Brady’s future hazy? Do you bother drafting guys who aren’t ready to play this year? What if you end up with a Lamar Jackson? In a few years you need a totally different type of lineman that can get downfield and block while he’s on the run. Going to be a very interesting draft for sure.

  35. gisellichek says:
    April 12, 2018 at 9:30 am
    BB is a great GM. No GM/VP/owner/manager of a football team can say they hit on ever single drafted player. None… If you hit on half of them you are doing very well. These Patriots are the best run organization in Pro Football. Plain and simple.

    They will be back in the Playoffs next season. Can’t wait for opening day!

    ———————–

    He’s clearly the greatest GM of all time in any sport. And, I have tons of respect for other sports dynasties’ and other GMs who have sustained greatness, but who does this?

    Also, show me a league where the commissioner and some owners collude to concoct fake stories to work with a large broadcast company as a partner to frame the Pats in order to try to slow them down? It just doesn’t happen. Not in MLB, the NHL, the NBA, etc.

    No sports franchise has ever had to deal with such things and it’s directly due to money and the Pats’ success, curbing parity and growth overseas.

    If you have 1 dominant team, there really is no parity.

    And, right now, with ratings dropping and a BAD parity, this is the owners’ worst nightmare.

  36. Don’t forget that the Pats play in the AFC Least.

    No reason to think they won’t win the Least again in 2018 and get at least one home playoff game.

  37. When the Pats got that second first round pick, if you know their history, then you know that one of those first round picks is a trade down option that they will trade out of the first and turn that 1st round pick into an additional two to three picks. That’s what Bellichek does.

    I think what drives Bellichek now is that he wants to show everyone he can retool after Brady and Gronk and make a championship team for the next decade or so.

    Because Brady and Gronk have gotten too big for their britches. Bellichek is gonna show everyone that he’s the reason for the team winning championships and not Brady/Gronk.

  38. EJ says:
    April 12, 2018 at 9:39 am
    Ewhite1065 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:44 am
    Yup, Lining up another 10 years of dominance and paving the way for the Young to take over from the wise old masters. Very similar to Yoda and Obi-Wan passing the Light Saber Luke. It’s a shame the other teams in the NFL can’t learn from the Patriots success.
    _______________________________________________________
    If by success you mean chopping every corner and bending every rule in the book to win, then yes, I’m surprised other teams haven’t gone that route. With the constant scandal that is the Patriots sitting on the tip of the tongue of every media outlet available, you would assume most teams would rather refrain from the large fines and removal of draft picks, but heck If they are gonna cheat, why not everyone else right?

    ———————

    Factually state where this has occurred. There is no bending of any rules, but rulees get changed to stop NE from doing ANYTHING within the rules. So, you’re confused.

    Was the first forward pass “bending the rules”, or just because no one had though of doing it before?

    You whiny crybabies have been lied to by Goodell. He’s played very well into the Millennial/5th Place Trophy Generation’s penchant for video games, offense and fantasy football, with a whiny, entitled, crybaby and embarrassing attitude.

    The rest of us appreciate quality football and greatness.

    Fact: The Pats have never cheated. They’ve been framed twice to steal draft picks. It’s why other real violations like tampering or cap cheating, etc, goes unchecked or little to no punishment.

    It’s just sad that your generation in general are so easily led and duped.

  39. Playing in the AFC Least allows the Pats to take chances in the draft that they’ll hit the jackpot on fringe players from subpar schools. Most of the time they will miss, which should be expected.

    They’d never get away with that in a real division.

  40. rocketdogsports says:
    April 12, 2018 at 9:52 am

    And we kicked him out of Cleveland.

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    If you’re talking about Belichick – no he was not kicked out of Cleveland.

  41. This is timely—as Brady slowly declines with age the team around him gets better to make up the difference (sorry other 31—-Pats remain a force to be reckoned with)

  42. wib22 says:

    April 12, 2018 at 8:12 am

    Sadly, Brady is done. If you listened to his interviews post super bowl, he’s mentally checked out.
    —————————————————————————-

    Come on here……Done? yeah I listened and I heard a guy who lost, was frustrated and questioning his drive and love for the game. that happens when you lose the biggest game.

    He is refreshed and OTA camp opens up Monday back up here in New England.

    He will be there, along with the rest of the team. no hold outs or controversies.

    And we begin the drive for # 6 again.

    Done… Last years MVP isn’t quitting any day soon my friend…Pray he doesn’t play your team this year……in fact Fear this team as they begin it anew.

  43. exinsidetrader says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:40 am

    “Brady is done” Yes, only 500 yards in the SuperBowl.
    “Terrible,” said no one with a brain.
    ========================================
    Not terrible, but clearly the 2nd best QB on the field that day.

  44. and don’t forget about the injured starters returning to the roster edelman, hightower. belichick is a genius, period. and he’s done against the toughest schedule in the league, with the lowest picks in the league over 18 years. every year the league changes rules to offset an edge he finds; he finds an exploits the unintended consequences. won’t be any fun when he hangs it up.

  45. Fact: The Pats have never cheated. They’ve been framed twice to steal draft picks. It’s why other real violations like tampering or cap cheating, etc, goes unchecked or little to no punishment.
    ===============
    Spygate was a direct outcome of Belichick’s arrogance. That is 100% on him. A lesser coach would have been fired for that the same day.

    Brady got his ball boys to deflate footballs. It’s indisputable from the text messages and the evidence we have, as noted in the Wells report.

    I actually don’t really buy the hype that these were cheating but the grief the Pats received in both cases was self inflicted.

  46. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:15 am
    exinsidetrader says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:40 am

    “Brady is done” Yes, only 500 yards in the SuperBowl.
    “Terrible,” said no one with a brain.
    ========================================
    Not terrible, but clearly the 2nd best QB on the field that day.

    1 0 Rate This

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    Correct. You kiddies act like the Pats have to go 19-0 every year. NE has lost games and SBs before. Cap era.

    You also act like it’s the end of the world, within your little wishful thinking campaign, if NE does lose a SB as injured as they were.

    Rational people would realize the odds of them seeing as many injuries in back to back seasons, 4 picks in the top 64 of the draft, and key players returning in 2018, meant the effort by the PAts in 2017, was a very good one.

    Most teams lose that many key players, and their season is cooked.

  47. 24thstatesolutions says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:15 am
    Every team has an influx of young talent… it’s called the draft.

    0 1 Thank You

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    Most teams don’t know how to draft.

  48. The Pats will be back as long as Brady and Gronk are back. The AFC is fairly weak again, with basically the Pats, Steelers,Texans, and Jags as contenders. I think the team that will challenge the Pats is the Texans. I think Watson is the real deal, and they have studs on defense. I don’t think Tomlin can coach the Steelers past the Pats, and the Jags are sticking with Bortles so not sure they will challenge.

    As long as New England figures out how to fix the defense there isn’t much stopping them from returning to try for ring #6.

    As an Eagles fan the NFC is going to be murder this year. The Eagles, Rams, Saints, Vikings, Falcons, Niners, Packers, and Cowboys will all contend. There are 2 teams in each division that could wind up in the Super Bowl. It will be a good season to watch.

  49. higheriqthanyou says:

    April 12, 2018 at 8:39 am

    Too bad the Pats have been horrid in the draft.
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    yeah sure they are…….bad at drafting… yup sure thing buddy…

    explain 19 years of 10 wins or more and 5 super bowl wins in 8 tries and most consecutive AFC champion HOME FEILD games in the history of the league??

    yeah the drafting sucks….. considering they are drafting last or second or third from last in every round every year… and had 2 first round picks taken away….yeah I would say their drafting really sucks…..

  50. goodellisaclown says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:30 am
    wib22 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:12 am

    Sadly, Brady is done. If you listened to his interviews post super bowl, he’s mentally checked out.
    ________________________________

    You might want to tell that to Brady. Poor guy was in Foxborough last week throwing with Edelman.
    ________________
    It’s called off season workouts.
    All teams are doing it this week.
    —————————————————————————

    no it isn’t……Patriots OTA’s start on Monday next week…. know your facts.

  51. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:10 am
    Playing in the AFC Least allows the Pats to take chances in the draft that they’ll hit the jackpot on fringe players from subpar schools. Most of the time they will miss, which should be expected.

    They’d never get away with that in a real division.
    =============================

    The “AFC East sucks” hot takes are by far and away the worst hot take sin all of sports. It isn’t like the Patriots win the division with 7-9 to 9-7 record and simply made the playoffs cuz the rest of the division is awful.

    They win 12 games every year. Plus, the only way this “weak division” argument would hold water is if they went 1 and done every year like Manning and Colts. This isn’t a 1 and done team. They’ve been to 10 conference championship games, played in 8 super bowls and won 5 of them. Are you telling me Seattle threw up all over themselves because the AFC East is weak??? Are you telling me the Falcons threw up all over themselves and blew it, because the AFC East is weak? Or maybe the big bad Steelers choked in the playoffs against the Jags last year, because the AFC East is weak. Give me a break with this freezing cold, lazy, stupid take.

  52. superpatriotsfan says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:36 am
    LMAO the delusional thinking the Pats homers have. Every draft pick they think is a hall of famer.

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    Umm, no we don’t troll. In fact, it’s the opposite. The anti-BB media and local radio shows brainwash dumb Pats fans into thinking BB is bad at building teams and drafting.

    Example: Both the Logan Ryan and Duron Harmon picks were mocked at the time.

  53. bengal4life says:
    April 12, 2018 at 9:12 am
    It would be an influx of talent if the Pats knew how to draft talent. It’s like 1/6 turn-out to be talented.

    I wouldn’t doubt if they traded some of those pics for talent that has been in the league for a while. That seems to be Belicheck’s MO.
    ———————————-
    Said the Bengal fan…… hahahahahahahaha.

  54. Marcus says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:30 am
    The Pats will be back as long as Brady and Gronk are back. The AFC is fairly weak again, with basically the Pats, Steelers,Texans, and Jags as contenders. I think the team that will challenge the Pats is the Texans. I think Watson is the real deal, and they have studs on defense. I don’t think Tomlin can coach the Steelers past the Pats, and the Jags are sticking with Bortles so not sure they will challenge.

    As long as New England figures out how to fix the defense there isn’t much stopping them from returning to try for ring #6.

    As an Eagles fan the NFC is going to be murder this year. The Eagles, Rams, Saints, Vikings, Falcons, Niners, Packers, and Cowboys will all contend. There are 2 teams in each division that could wind up in the Super Bowl. It will be a good season to watch.

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    Fair analysis and pretty accurate, although something tells me with time missed and it being his 2nd year, Watson may have some struggles for Houston.

    I do expect Jax to take a step back, yes. Some other AFC team will bubble up, but it’s clearly still NE’s conference to lose.

    Health matters. Since 2009, the end of that year, more so 2011, 2013, 2015 and 2017, during the odd seasons, NE’s has had injuries that really hurt them, regardless of how they finished the season.

    Your team’s health was superior than NE’s in the SB. You need that and a bit of luck in there to win a SB, as you’ve seen as an Eagles fan.

  55. harryshavik says:
    April 12, 2018 at 9:09 am

    “Too bad the Pats have been horrid in the draft.”

    Yet somehow they’ve managed to cobble together enough talent to go to eight Superbowls in the last 18 years, including the last two.
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    Their success is all tied to Brady. Belichick was merely average before lucking into drafting Brady in the 6th round. When Brady retires then it is very likely the Super Bowls will stop happening for NE. They were actually the less talented team in each of the last 2 super Bowls, but Brady almost was enough to win both.

  56. mumfio says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:50 am
    harryshavik says:
    April 12, 2018 at 9:09 am

    “Too bad the Pats have been horrid in the draft.”

    Yet somehow they’ve managed to cobble together enough talent to go to eight Superbowls in the last 18 years, including the last two.
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    Their success is all tied to Brady. Belichick was merely average before lucking into drafting Brady in the 6th round. When Brady retires then it is very likely the Super Bowls will stop happening for NE. They were actually the less talented team in each of the last 2 super Bowls, but Brady almost was enough to win both.

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    Yes and Bill Walsh’s success is exclusively tied to Montana, Noll to Bradshaw, etc, etc, etc. BB’s brilliance as GM and Coach has no benefit to Brady. lmao

    What you say makes no sense. The cap era is the difference and proof BB is more important than Brady.

    Your argument would be easier to support in the pre cap era, where money was no object and teams never lost players.

    BB also had Brady work out for the team, he picked him and he kept 4 QBs on the roster in 2000 to give Brady what was essentially an extended tryout.

  57. superpatriotsfan says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:36 am

    LMAO the delusional thinking the Pats homers have. Every draft pick they think is a hall of famer.
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    That’s okay. It gets evened out by all of the idiots that say they can’t draft.

  58. Between 2013-2017 the New England Patriots had only 2 draft picks in the the top 50 of those 5 drafts combined. Profootball reference ranks draft selections based on career value. In those 5 drafts combined the Patriots drafted 9 players ranked in the top 50. 2013: Collins (11), Ryan (47). 2014: White (50). 2015: Mason (13), Brown (18), Flowers (32). 2016: Thuney (10), Brissett (21), Roberts (26). In 2017 their two highest picks ended up on IR yet they still drafted the 55th highest ranked player (Wise). That seems like a pretty reasonable track record of selecting talent to me.

  59. tylawspick6 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:43 am

    Umm, no we don’t troll. In fact, it’s the opposite. The anti-BB media and local radio shows brainwash dumb Pats fans into thinking BB is bad at building teams and drafting.

    Example: Both the Logan Ryan and Duron Harmon picks were mocked at the time.

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    And where is Logan Ryan now? Oh that’s right NOT on the Patriots. As for Harmon, he’s average at best. Once Brady the QB which is THE MOST IMPORTANT position in pro football the Patriots will no longer be relevant as you will you. Belichick lucked into drafting him and hasn’t found a decent QB since. Jimmy G sucks, he’s played mediocre teams throughout his career and gets bailed out by his kickers.

  60. I love when people try and make the point that “the patriots don’t draft well.” Are they as good at drafting as they are beating up the rest of the league?

    No. Of course not, that would be wildly unfair.

    But they’re “at worst” still above average in the draft – and that doesn’t account for the fact they consistently draft at the end of rounds (or not at all after the NFL steals their picks over bogus “incidents”). Put their drafts up against other teams and make an honest comparison – you’d be surprised.

  61. Garcia is far from healthy. Blood clotting problems don’t just magically disappear, and he’s dropped 40-lbs in the process. I hope he gets better, but to say that he is good to go is just a flat-out lie.

  62. Playing in the AFC Least allows the Pats to take chances in the draft that they’ll hit the jackpot on fringe players from subpar schools. Most of the time they will miss, which should be expected.

    They’d never get away with that in a real division.
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    1. Let’s talk about division strength
    Bill through 2016

    200-71 with the Pats

    In division 74-27 wp.732

    Out of division 126-44 wp .741

    I have not gone back and adjusted to the prior alignment but do not believe there is a significant impact

    Can we put to rest the myth of the AFCE being the reason for the continued excellence and just acknowledge they have sustained it against any competition?

  63. TheDotardinChief says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:18 am
    Garcia is far from healthy. Blood clotting problems don’t just magically disappear, and he’s dropped 40-lbs in the process. I hope he gets better, but to say that he is good to go is just a flat-out lie.

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    We don’t know the timeline, though. He did lose 40 lbs, but we have no idea when that happened and how much (if any), he’s gained back. I do agree he needed to ADD weight last year.

    With that in mind, yes, it’s an unknown.

  64. If memory serves me correct, Bret Bielema directed the Patriots to James White, Trey Flowers, and Dietrich Wise. All three have performed above their pay grade.

  65. superpatriotsfan says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:11 am
    tylawspick6 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:43 am

    Umm, no we don’t troll. In fact, it’s the opposite. The anti-BB media and local radio shows brainwash dumb Pats fans into thinking BB is bad at building teams and drafting.

    Example: Both the Logan Ryan and Duron Harmon picks were mocked at the time.

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    And where is Logan Ryan now? Oh that’s right NOT on the Patriots. As for Harmon, he’s average at best. Once Brady the QB which is THE MOST IMPORTANT position in pro football the Patriots will no longer be relevant as you will you. Belichick lucked into drafting him and hasn’t found a decent QB since. Jimmy G sucks, he’s played mediocre teams throughout his career and gets bailed out by his kickers.

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    Logan Ryan is being overpaid after taking his 2 SB rings and parlaying into a big payday, which a lot of Pats players do for their benefit after using the NE environment to their gain.

    And?

    BB went out and got Stephon Gilmore on short money and Jason McCourty at 1 million cheap dollars, with potential contract control on him , beyond 2018.

    See how this works?

    And, Harmon as a 4th rd pick is a good, smart, steady player (minus his weed decision), who plays a good CF and works well with McCourty and Chung.

    He also had another key INT, in the SB.

    Harmon is above average as Safety. BB likes IQ and Harmon delivers or he wouldn’t be there and wouldn’t help them win a lot of games as a good defense.

  66. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:07 am

    Don’t forget that the Pats play in the AFC Least.
    ____________________________________________________________

    Never do but we do sometimes wonder what the crying would be like if they played in another Northern or Eastern division. Belichick & Brady’s win % against: NFCN .848, AFCN .842, NFCE .818, AFCE .792. Looking at those #’s it seems maybe they play in the AFC Less rather than least. Which one of those divisions would you rather see them in? As a Pats fan I’d rather see them stay put and play against teams that play better against them but if I had to choose a different one I think I’d go with the AFC Not, their fans cry hardest.

  67. They win 12 games every year. Plus, the only way this “weak division” argument would hold water is if they went 1 and done every year like Manning and Colts. This isn’t a 1 and done team.

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    There has not been one coach in the AFC Least other than Belichick that has been worthy of yours or other teams attention in over 17 years. Indisputable.

    There has not been one QB in the AFC Least other than Brady that has been worthy of yours or other teams fear in over 17 years. Undeniable.

    All 3 non Patriots AFC Least curls up in the fetal and jams their thumbs in their mouths at the thought of playing you guys. Fact.

    The Least stinks. Not the Pats fault. But they benefited from that and it is indisputable that it is a massive reason for their success. Fact.

    Put your team in a physical division with 3 teams that loathe you guys like the AFC North and you’d miss the playoffs a lot more than you have in the last 17 years. Fact.

    Not that hard to not go one and done when you are the only legit NFL team in the AFC Least and you win your division and get the undeniable advantage of a home playoff game.

    Stop with this nonsense and spin that your division is decent. The Least is a joke, and Pat fan looks ridiculous defending it.

  68. tylawspick6 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:58 am
    Yes and Bill Walsh’s success is exclusively tied to Montana, Noll to Bradshaw, etc, etc, etc. BB’s brilliance as GM and Coach has no benefit to Brady. lmao

    What you say makes no sense. The cap era is the difference and proof BB is more important than Brady.
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    Belichick did nothing as a head coach for the “original” Browns(1 winning season) & wasn’t anything special in NE with Bledsoe as his QB. The Browns had gone to 3 AFC championships just prior to Belichick going there and after he left they won a Super Bowl with another head coach as the Baltimore Ravens. The steelers were loaded w/Hall of famers and RB Franco Harris was the focal point, not Bradshaw. I’m not saying BB had nothing to do with it, but I highly doubt he would have won a single super bowl without Brady and I am very sure he never will without Brady.

  69. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:15 am
    exinsidetrader says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:40 am

    “Brady is done” Yes, only 500 yards in the SuperBowl.
    “Terrible,” said no one with a brain.
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    Not terrible, but clearly the 2nd best QB on the field that day.

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    Actually Brady was clearly the better QB. But all things considerd which includes defensive play the Eagles were the better team that day.

  70. mumfio says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:42 am

    tylawspick6 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:58 am
    Yes and Bill Walsh’s success is exclusively tied to Montana, Noll to Bradshaw, etc, etc, etc. BB’s brilliance as GM and Coach has no benefit to Brady. lmao

    What you say makes no sense. The cap era is the difference and proof BB is more important than Brady.
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    Belichick did nothing as a head coach for the “original” Browns(1 winning season) & wasn’t anything special in NE with Bledsoe as his QB. The Browns had gone to 3 AFC championships just prior to Belichick going there and after he left they won a Super Bowl with another head coach as the Baltimore Ravens. The steelers were loaded w/Hall of famers and RB Franco Harris was the focal point, not Bradshaw. I’m not saying BB had nothing to do with it, but I highly doubt he would have won a single super bowl without Brady and I am very sure he never will without Brady.
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    I actually have to disagree there. Many of those losses he had as a Browns coach were because they were a dead franchise walking and had nothing to do with him.

    Coach Belichick took a nothing Browns team and by the time the newly anointed Ravens fired him (yes technically it was the Ravens not the Browns) – he had built a team on the verge of being a Super Bowl contender before Modell pulled the plug. Based on what we saw in 2000 with the Ravens… I think that could have easily been the Browns.

    No Belichick was not perfect as Browns coach but it’s revisionist history and misleading standings watching to suggest Belichick was a bad coach with them.

  71. ronnyw222 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:48 am

    Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:15 am
    exinsidetrader says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:40 am

    “Brady is done” Yes, only 500 yards in the SuperBowl.
    “Terrible,” said no one with a brain.
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    Not terrible, but clearly the 2nd best QB on the field that day.

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    Actually Brady was clearly the better QB. But all things considerd which includes defensive play the Eagles were the better team that day.

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    No he wasn’t.

    Foles was great from start to finish.

    Brady was meh in the first half and great for the 28 minutes in the second half until he fumbled.

    Out of the two, Foles played the complete game from start to finish. He was better, hands down.

  72. ronnyw222 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:48 am
    Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:15 am
    exinsidetrader says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:40 am

    “Brady is done” Yes, only 500 yards in the SuperBowl.
    “Terrible,” said no one with a brain.
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    Not terrible, but clearly the 2nd best QB on the field that day.

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    Actually Brady was clearly the better QB. But all things considerd which includes defensive play the Eagles were the better team that day.

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    actually, foles outplayed brady. he was very good from q1 to q4 d brady struggled with poor throws early and in the red zone. plus, he dropped an easy pass, wide open. that blunder alone could have been the difference.

    – pats fan

  73. wib22 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:12 am
    Sadly, Brady is done. If you listened to his interviews post super bowl, he’s mentally checked out.
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    Mentally checked out guys dont resist all attempts to get them to retire. He is coming back hard and mad.

    But I can get it why Volts fans need to think its not just their team with an all done QB. (I wont call Luck checked out because I think the poor guy is trying as hard as he can, but I do think he is done)

  74. silvernblacksabbath says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:58 am

    NEVER write Bill and Brady off.

    And we need a Gruden vs Belichick playoff game before they retire!

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    That already happened in 2001…the “Tuck Rule” game

  75. higheriqthanyou says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:39 am
    Too bad the Pats have been horrid in the draft.

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    Actually they have overall been pretty good. Not perfect but still better than most, certainly far more successes than failures. There are guys that like to point to every pick the Pats make and say they failed, but usually when later these players are leaving for big contracts elsewhere or more often getting traded for value just before they hit FA these same critics are calling that a sign the dynasty is unraveling. Then they go back to criticizing the new players the Pats pick up with all that capital. Rinse and repeat.

  76. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:55 am
    No Belichick was not perfect as Browns coach but it’s revisionist history and misleading standings watching to suggest Belichick was a bad coach with them.
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    During his tenure in Cleveland, he compiled a 36–44 record. He benched Testaverde, who was ranked 3rd in the AFC at the time, in favor of Eric Zeier. Zeier didn’t become Tom Brady. And as I already stated, they (Browns/Ravens) went to 3 AFC title games before him & won a Super Bowl only after he left. This is a fact & I don’t get how anybody can debate it. Belichick lucked into drafting Brady in the 6th round and is now considered a “genius.”

  77. That’s a pretty big leap to assume that every one of those players will pan out. It’s not a guarantee for anyone.

  78. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:42 am
    They win 12 games every year. Plus, the only way this “weak division” argument would hold water is if they went 1 and done every year like Manning and Colts. This isn’t a 1 and done team.

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    There has not been one coach in the AFC Least other than Belichick that has been worthy of yours or other teams attention in over 17 years. Indisputable.

    There has not been one QB in the AFC Least other than Brady that has been worthy of yours or other teams fear in over 17 years. Undeniable.

    All 3 non Patriots AFC Least curls up in the fetal and jams their thumbs in their mouths at the thought of playing you guys. Fact.

    The Least stinks. Not the Pats fault. But they benefited from that and it is indisputable that it is a massive reason for their success. Fact.

    Put your team in a physical division with 3 teams that loathe you guys like the AFC North and you’d miss the playoffs a lot more than you have in the last 17 years. Fact.

    Not that hard to not go one and done when you are the only legit NFL team in the AFC Least and you win your division and get the undeniable advantage of a home playoff game.

    Stop with this nonsense and spin that your division is decent. The Least is a joke, and Pat fan looks ridiculous defending it.

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    Lots of cherry picked details there but the one you conveniently left out is that whatever you want say about the other teams it adds up to the AFC East having the third best winning % in football. IMHO the easiest ride to playoff contention enjoyed by any team the past 2-3 years has belonged to Pittsburgh. I dont want to go over all time because this is a constantly shifting thing including times when having the Patrots in the AFC East made things easier for the other three teams.

  79. 2019. They will receive likely two 3rd round compensation picks for free agents lost. New England regilarlu drafts for depth and special teams players. Never glamorous but highly effective.
    The rest of the teams play the role of the hero st the draft,

  80. te:Drafting ability

    Um how many Superbowls with B.B. drafting. More than any other team. Nothing else to add .

  81. Who cares about the AFC east. You have to the AFC to make the super bowl. Non issue. Dumb topic.

  82. New England currently has an adequate back up quarterback.
    No panicked in New England. They may not even draft s Wab,
    Brady has three years left minimum.

  83. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:42 am

    Put your team in a physical division with 3 teams that loathe you guys like the AFC North and you’d miss the playoffs a lot more than you have in the last 17 years. Fact.
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    Fact, you keep using that word but I do not think it means what you think it means.
    Here’s a fact, Brady/Belichick’s winning % against the AFC Not is 50 points higher than it is against the AFC East. That’s in spite of the fact that in 2 out of every 3 years the Pats only play the best team in that cupcake division. No one is claiming the AFC East is great, just that actual game results (otherwise known as established verifiable facts) show that when it comes to playing against New England it is better than the AFC Not.

  84. tylawspick6 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:46 am

    Your team’s health was superior than NE’s in the SB. You need that and a bit of luck in there to win a SB, as you’ve seen as an Eagles fan.

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    I think the more accurate statement is “Your team’s depth was superior than NE’s in the SB. You need that and a bit of luck in there to win a SB, as you’ve seen as an Eagles fan.”

    The Eagles suffered season-ending injuries to key players like Wentz, Peters, Hicks, Sproles, and Maragos, all elite players at their positions. It was the depth behind those players that contributed to winning the SB. They were certainly not fortunate in the health department.

  85. davehamgood says:
    April 12, 2018 at 12:52 pm

    te:Drafting ability

    Um how many Superbowls with B.B. drafting. More than any other team. Nothing else to add
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    Well, you could add the little tidbit that Belichick had Brady as his QB the entire time. Pretty important detail to not mention. It’s like saying Erik Spoelstra coached the Heat to 4 straight championship appearances but not mentioning he had LeBron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh. Or Phil Jackson won 11 NBA titles and not mention that he had the luck of having the 2 best players in the league, in their prime for 2 different teams. Talent wins & coaching is pretty overrated.

  86. mumfio says:
    April 12, 2018 at 12:24 pm

    Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:55 am
    No Belichick was not perfect as Browns coach but it’s revisionist history and misleading standings watching to suggest Belichick was a bad coach with them.
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    During his tenure in Cleveland, he compiled a 36–44 record. He benched Testaverde, who was ranked 3rd in the AFC at the time, in favor of Eric Zeier. Zeier didn’t become Tom Brady. And as I already stated, they (Browns/Ravens) went to 3 AFC title games before him & won a Super Bowl only after he left. This is a fact & I don’t get how anybody can debate it. Belichick lucked into drafting Brady in the 6th round and is now considered a “genius.”

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    You’re forgetting the Browns were seen as a Super Bowl favorite in 95. That was Belichicks’ doing. After Modell in October announced the move to Baltimore the Browns won 1 more game that season. So Belichick’s W-L there, while not stellar, ultimately doesn’t mean that much to me when looking back. In fact I bet he would have won a ring with Cleveland had things remained the same.

    There’s also the Browns draft trade the year before that set the newly anointed Ravens up with a first round pick in 1996 – and they used it to pick Ray Lewis. That was Belichick’s doing too.

    As for Belichick without Brady… he coached a Bradyless team led by Matt Cassel, Jacoby Brissett and Jimmy Garoppolo to a 14-6 mark. And that was recent history, not 20-25 years ago. So I think that answers that question.

  87. whenwilliteverend says:
    April 12, 2018 at 12:29 pm
    That’s a pretty big leap to assume that every one of those players will pan out. It’s not a guarantee for anyone.

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    I agree, that would be a big leap indeed. But I dont see anyone really saying that. What I do see are guys assuming none of them will pan out which is an equally big leap.

  88. davehamgood says:
    April 12, 2018 at 12:56 pm

    New England currently has an adequate back up quarterback.
    No panicked in New England. They may not even draft s Wab,
    Brady has three years left minimum.
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    Brady is done after this season, at least in NE. Take it to the bank.

  89. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:42 am
    They win 12 games every year. Plus, the only way this “weak division” argument would hold water is if they went 1 and done every year like Manning and Colts. This isn’t a 1 and done team.

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    There has not been one coach in the AFC Least other than Belichick that has been worthy of yours or other teams attention in over 17 years. Indisputable.

    There has not been one QB in the AFC Least other than Brady that has been worthy of yours or other teams fear in over 17 years. Undeniable.

    All 3 non Patriots AFC Least curls up in the fetal and jams their thumbs in their mouths at the thought of playing you guys. Fact.

    The Least stinks. Not the Pats fault. But they benefited from that and it is indisputable that it is a massive reason for their success. Fact.

    Put your team in a physical division with 3 teams that loathe you guys like the AFC North and you’d miss the playoffs a lot more than you have in the last 17 years. Fact.

    Not that hard to not go one and done when you are the only legit NFL team in the AFC Least and you win your division and get the undeniable advantage of a home playoff game.

    Stop with this nonsense and spin that your division is decent. The Least is a joke, and Pat fan looks ridiculous defending it.

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    That Pats were 5-0 against the cream puff AFC North two seasons ago…. in fact I cannot remember the last time the Pats lost a game to an AFC North team…

  90. commentawaitingdeletion says:
    April 12, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:42 am

    Put your team in a physical division with 3 teams that loathe you guys like the AFC North and you’d miss the playoffs a lot more than you have in the last 17 years. Fact.
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    Fact, you keep using that word but I do not think it means what you think it means.
    Here’s a fact, Brady/Belichick’s winning % against the AFC Not is 50 points higher than it is against the AFC East. That’s in spite of the fact that in 2 out of every 3 years the Pats only play the best team in that cupcake division. No one is claiming the AFC East is great, just that actual game results (otherwise known as established verifiable facts) show that when it comes to playing against New England it is better than the AFC Not.
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    Brady would never stay upright a full season playing in the physical AFC North. In fact I bet his career would be cut short. Every game is a war there. And unlike the AFC Least the Pats would have real competition both at coach and QB.

    Put the Steelers in the AFC Least and they could easily do what the Pats are doing.

  91. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:42 am

    Put your team in a physical division with 3 teams that loathe you guys like the AFC North and you’d miss the playoffs a lot more than you have in the last 17 years.

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    I dont think the Patriots are getting a lot of love from the Bill, Jets, or Dolphins. And are you trying to say that facing the Browns, Ravens, and Bengals last year was a hardship?

  92. 6ball says:
    .
    The Patriots also have former 3rd round pick, DT Vincent Valentine and former 2nd round pick, Cyrus Jones coming back from IR.

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    And Hightower returns, as well. I think we’ll see an improved Patriots defense.

  93. Update through 2017 including playoffs since BB became coach

    AFC East 109 games played 80 wins WP .734
    Total Out of Conference 222 games played 167 wins WP .752

    FACT FACT FACT

  94. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 1:11 pm
    As for Belichick without Brady… he coached a Bradyless team led by Matt Cassel, Jacoby Brissett and Jimmy Garoppolo to a 14-6 mark. And that was recent history, not 20-25 years ago. So I think that answers that question.
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    So those QB’s led the Pats to super bowl, like Brady does? I will check the recent super bowls for those players stats in those super bowl games, don’t wait on me. I’m pretty sure none of those QB’s led the Pats to the playoffs, much less the super bowl.

  95. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 1:15 pm
    commentawaitingdeletion says:
    April 12, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:42 am

    Put your team in a physical division with 3 teams that loathe you guys like the AFC North and you’d miss the playoffs a lot more than you have in the last 17 years. Fact.
    ____________________________________________

    Fact, you keep using that word but I do not think it means what you think it means.
    Here’s a fact, Brady/Belichick’s winning % against the AFC Not is 50 points higher than it is against the AFC East. That’s in spite of the fact that in 2 out of every 3 years the Pats only play the best team in that cupcake division. No one is claiming the AFC East is great, just that actual game results (otherwise known as established verifiable facts) show that when it comes to playing against New England it is better than the AFC Not.
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    Brady would never stay upright a full season playing in the physical AFC North. In fact I bet his career would be cut short. Every game is a war there. And unlike the AFC Least the Pats would have real competition both at coach and QB.

    Put the Steelers in the AFC Least and they could easily do what the Pats are doing.

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    The last year they played the AFC East Steelers went .833 in theIr own division but only managed to go .500 against the AFC East so no, they would not. (Uh, fact)

  96. mumfio says:
    April 12, 2018 at 1:26 pm

    Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 1:11 pm
    As for Belichick without Brady… he coached a Bradyless team led by Matt Cassel, Jacoby Brissett and Jimmy Garoppolo to a 14-6 mark. And that was recent history, not 20-25 years ago. So I think that answers that question.
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    So those QB’s led the Pats to super bowl, like Brady does? I will check the recent super bowls for those players stats in those super bowl games, don’t wait on me. I’m pretty sure none of those QB’s led the Pats to the playoffs, much less the super bowl.

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    Well, Belichick created a scheme to solve the Greatest Show on Turf in Super Bowl 36. Brady had an 86 passer rating in that game and he wouldn’t have won squat anyway without Vinatieri’s clutch kicking. And so on. It’s really not difficult to pump the brakes on the idea that Brady is THE reason why they win the Super Bowl, or any team’s QB for their team’s Super Bowl for that matter.

    Belichick is 14-6 without Brady this century. Speaks for itself.

    And I’m sure you know wins are a team accomplishment, not just a QB accomplishment.

  97. tylawspick6 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:59 am

    ronnyw222 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 11:48 am
    Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:15 am
    exinsidetrader says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:40 am

    “Brady is done” Yes, only 500 yards in the SuperBowl.
    “Terrible,” said no one with a brain.
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    Not terrible, but clearly the 2nd best QB on the field that day.

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    Actually Brady was clearly the better QB. But all things considerd which includes defensive play the Eagles were the better team that day.

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    actually, foles outplayed brady. he was very good from q1 to q4 d brady struggled with poor throws early and in the red zone. plus, he dropped an easy pass, wide open. that blunder alone could have been the difference.

    – pats fan
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    That’s right. Plus as I’ve pointed out before that long completion to Amendola was actually badly underthrown. Amendola had to stop for it. If Brady hit him where he should have, that was an easy TD. Pats instead ended up with 0 points and there’s your margin of loss right there. Brady wasn’t horrible but he was C+ in the first half, and A+ for 28 minutes in the second half.

    This is a perfect example of why looking at stats doesn’t tell the whole story. Pat fan used to understand this especially when it came to Peyton Manning discussions, it’s odd that they don’t anymore.

  98. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 1:56 pm
    Well, Belichick created a scheme to solve the Greatest Show on Turf in Super Bowl 36. Brady had an 86 passer rating in that game and he wouldn’t have won squat anyway without Vinatieri’s clutch kicking. And so on. It’s really not difficult to pump the brakes on the idea that Brady is THE reason why they win the Super Bowl, or any team’s QB for their team’s Super Bowl for that matter.

    Belichick is 14-6 without Brady this century. Speaks for itself.

    And I’m sure you know wins are a team accomplishment, not just a QB accomplishment.
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    If Brady had a 14-6 record in the REGULAR season, he wouldn’t be mentioned at all.
    Brady is an all-time great due to what he does in the post-season. There’s Belichick pre-Brady and Belichick with Brady and there is no comparison. The numbers do not lie. That’s what speaks for itself.

    Very few teams win without an elite QB, unless they have an elite defense like Denver, Seattle, Baltimore, Bucs and the Bears many years ago. Otherwise, it’s Brady, Brees, Rothlisberger, Manning & Rodgers. Those teams don’t get a team accomplishment like the super bowl without those QB’s.

  99. This story will not age well. Patriots are imploding. Everything that got them to the Superbowl is chipping away. Put a positive spin on it if you must, but this team is trying to rebuild too quickly but it won’t be in time.

  100. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 1:15 pm

    Brady would never stay upright a full season playing in the physical AFC North. In fact I bet his career would be cut short. Every game is a war there. And unlike the AFC Least the Pats would have real competition both at coach and QB.

    Put the Steelers in the AFC Least and they could easily do what the Pats are doing.
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    Bwahahaha Brady wouldn’t stay upright against the ‘physical’ AFC Not that’s a good one. Let’s take a look at that factually shall we?
    Playing against those supposedly horrifying Not defenses Brady’s avg game:
    23/35 64.25 cmp% 285yds 2td .4int 1.6sk 102.8 rte
    Against the AFC East:
    20/33 62.1 cmp% 237yds 1.8td .63int 1.8sk 94.7 rte

    BTW Ben and the stealers have a .577 win% against the AFCE and a .753% vs the AFC Not. Looking at those FACTUAL #’s Pats fans would be happy to swap div’s with the stealers but it’s safe to say you’d be much happier keeping both teams right where they are. If you are going to keep at this try finding one objective & independently verifiable thing to back it up. Oh one last set of numbers for you, those other coaches in the AFC Not the stealers play against have a combined win % of .382, the Pats opposing coaches in the AFC East are .498

    Your opinions aren’t facts, the facts stated above are not opinions. Numbers don’t lie but AFC Not trolls sure do.

  101. grant35 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 2:36 pm
    According to all the Pats fanboys in here, we should just hand them the AFCC trophy now, as merely a formality.
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    I am not sure what a “fanboy” is, but whatever it is there must not be any posting in this thread because no one has made such a comment (except for you, at least indirectly).

  102. mumfio says:
    April 12, 2018 at 2:18 pm
    Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 1:56 pm
    Well, Belichick created a scheme to solve the Greatest Show on Turf in Super Bowl 36. Brady had an 86 passer rating in that game and he wouldn’t have won squat anyway without Vinatieri’s clutch kicking. And so on. It’s really not difficult to pump the brakes on the idea that Brady is THE reason why they win the Super Bowl, or any team’s QB for their team’s Super Bowl for that matter.

    Belichick is 14-6 without Brady this century. Speaks for itself.

    And I’m sure you know wins are a team accomplishment, not just a QB accomplishment.
    —————————————————————————-
    If Brady had a 14-6 record in the REGULAR season, he wouldn’t be mentioned at all.
    Brady is an all-time great due to what he does in the post-season. There’s Belichick pre-Brady and Belichick with Brady and there is no comparison. The numbers do not lie. That’s what speaks for itself.

    Very few teams win without an elite QB, unless they have an elite defense like Denver, Seattle, Baltimore, Bucs and the Bears many years ago. Otherwise, it’s Brady, Brees, Rothlisberger, Manning & Rodgers. Those teams don’t get a team accomplishment like the super bowl without those QB’s.
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    Well yeah, a great GM/coach will consistently build and coach a team to become a strong contender for the top. Then a great QB will close the deal.

  103. grant35 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 2:36 pm
    According to all the Pats fanboys in here, we should just hand them the AFCC trophy now, as merely a formality.

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    Heck no. That would be boring.

  104. ronnyw222 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 2:39 pm
    —————————————————————————-
    If Brady had a 14-6 record in the REGULAR season, he wouldn’t be mentioned at all.
    Brady is an all-time great due to what he does in the post-season. There’s Belichick pre-Brady and Belichick with Brady and there is no comparison. The numbers do not lie. That’s what speaks for itself.

    Very few teams win without an elite QB, unless they have an elite defense like Denver, Seattle, Baltimore, Bucs and the Bears many years ago. Otherwise, it’s Brady, Brees, Rothlisberger, Manning & Rodgers. Those teams don’t get a team accomplishment like the super bowl without those QB’s.
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    Well yeah, a great GM/coach will consistently build and coach a team to become a strong contender for the top. Then a great QB will close the deal.
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    You seemed to miss my point, I am questioning how great BB actually is, considering he was under .500 as the Browns head coach and wasn’t anything special until he lucked into drafting Tom Brady. I know the QB is great but I believe the coach/GM part is debatable.

  105. @mumfio

    You are questioning how good or great BB is, seriously?

    BB has 7 Super Bowl rings as a Head Coach/GM or Defensive Coordinator.

    BB has 8 Super Bowl trips as a HC/GM.

    BB has 12 AFC Championship trips as a HC/GM.

    We have not even scratched the surface of the BB greatness with the information above. The internet could not handle that much data at once.

    BB is the greatest Head Coach and GM of all-time.

    Your question has been correctly answered.

  106. None of the miserable troll film/flam excuses tell you anything worth remembering. They can never get their story straight anyway. Brady has carried Belichick for years. No, wait—it’s Belichick who carries Brady…..no, no, no, it’s the division that gifts them a ride….Oh yeah, and the refs are bought by Kraft. My team had the sun in their eyes that day…..whatever. It’s downright hilarious to witness.

    The Patriots have demonstrated consistent dominance in the form of many wins vs. few losses because — wait for it — they’re better than your team and more prepared. Oh oh! I found it.

    It turns out that this team game happens to revolve around excellent quarterback play and quick decision making plus execution. And we have Brady. Sorry. No other position is as important in any major sport.

    But these blame-wielding bozos will say anything other than “the better coach, quarterback, and team won.” It’s unsportsmanlike at the very least. Delusional at the most.

    It just hurts them too much to admit it.

  107. Braz says:
    April 12, 2018 at 10:15 am

    exinsidetrader says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:40 am

    “Brady is done” Yes, only 500 yards in the SuperBowl.
    “Terrible,” said no one with a brain.
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    Not terrible, but clearly the 2nd best QB on the field that day.

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    Not quite. Statistically he was the best QB on the field that day, but the Pats defense was beyond horrific.

  108. The draft is a crapshoot and the Patriots have not done any better than most teams……the glue has been Brady, when he departs they will erode quickly….

  109. deneb1973 says:
    April 12, 2018 at 8:34 am

    The article does not discuss the totality of the Patriot offseason. Belichick has picked up THREE former first round and THREE former second round picks (Patterson, Clayborn, Shelton, Niklas, Hill and Matthews)

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    Correction. Former first and 2nd round busts.

  110. “That means the Patriots essentially are adding two first-round picks, two second-round picks and three third-round picks to a team that was already good enough to go to the Super Bowl.”

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    The writer seems to forget the subtraction of talent used to obtain the extra picks. A rookie draft pick is not likely to duplicate Brandin Cooks receiving numbers for example, weak draft for receivers.

  111. crush22 says:

    April 12, 2018 at 8:52 am

    It’s called off season workouts.
    All teams are doing it this week.

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    Brady also skipped some voluntary workouts in ’08, ’09 and ’10. If this was the first time, it might be a story. But Brady has never officially confirmed to the media he is playing the coming year in the past, not sure why the media expects this year to be different.

  112. steelercrazy says:

    April 17, 2018 at 12:57 pm

    “That means the Patriots essentially are adding two first-round picks, two second-round picks and three third-round picks to a team that was already good enough to go to the Super Bowl.”

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    The writer seems to forget the subtraction of talent used to obtain the extra picks. A rookie draft pick is not likely to duplicate Brandin Cooks receiving numbers for example, weak draft for receivers.
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    True, but Pats also essentially are adding Julian Edelman and Donte Hightower who should be healthy for the coming season.

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