Will Giants pass on a quarterback?

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The most recent reporting regarding the Giants’ plan for the second overall pick was simple: Quarterback Sam Darnold if he’s there; otherwise, running back Saquon Barkley or defensive end Bradley Chubb.

Paul Schwartz of the New York Post has a new take on the situation. While not necessarily a clear-cut report and instead more of an informed tapestry of rumor, analysis, and speculation, Schwartz predicts that the Giants won’t take a quarterback at No. 2, because they don’t feel strongly enough about the likelihood that any of them will become a perennial All-Pro and potential Hall of Famer.

Instead, the thinking is that the Giants and G.M. Dave Gettleman will lean toward Barkley with the second pick.

“I thought all along this is the guy Dave wants,’’ an unnamed scout with no apparent connection to Gettleman, other than “crossing paths with him on the road over the years,” suggested. “And he might get him, if Cleveland is dumb enough not to take him at No. 1.”

And that’s the risk in rolling the dice on a franchise quarterback. Roll wrong, and a team like the Titans will take Jake Locker and a team like the Jaguars will take Blaine Gabbert with a guy like J.J. Watt still on the board.

“I don’t think Dave will take a quarterback,’’ the unnamed said. “I don’t see it. I could see Chubb putting on that gold jacket. I could see [guard Quenton] Nelson putting on that gold jacket. Barkley, no question. If you have a crystal ball and say, ‘This guy is gonna be an annual All-Pro and make it to the Hall of Fame,’ Barkley would be the No. 1 guy.’’

Here’s another factor to consider: The ongoing presence of Eli Manning. As Hall of Fame coach Tony Dungy explained last month on PFT Live, the Giants should ignore the potential awkwardness arising from putting a rookie with Eli if they believe the rookie will become a star player. If they don’t believe any of the quarterbacks will become stars, they should take a player at another position whom they believe will be a star.

48 responses to “Will Giants pass on a quarterback?

  1. Amazing how people say that Barkley is a generational talent. I’ve literally heard the same thing about Gurley, Elliott and Fournette within the past 5 years.

  2. Agree. None of these QBs deserve top five pick. Giants, Cleveland etc should build their OL and DL. especially Cleveland. Second and third rounds go for skill players and QB. Less money spent more production less pressure. There is no Groft or Wentz in this years crop.

  3. The Giants have an aging QB
    Option 1. What would Belicheck do
    Option 2. What would the Browns do

  4. If any team is waiting for a qb to appear on the radar as a perennial All-Pro and potential Hall of Famer then they will wait a very long time. QB more than any other position is a place you have to take chances on every year of the draft. Does not mean you use a First or second round pick every year but the position is so hard to find a good yet alone great player its surely worth the risk.

    In the Giants situation it all depends how long they think Eli has left, more than this season then they would probably be better off trading down and getting more picks and maybe taking a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round as a prospect, but IF they do think the QB of the future is there grab him whenever.

  5. I could see the Giants taking Barkley and then taking a guy like Kyle Lauletta in the 2nd round. There are 2 or 3 QB’s outside of the top 5 that may turn out to be pretty good starters a few years down the road.

  6. They wud be FOOLS to pass on a QB with that high of a pick. Eli has MAYBE 2 years left…tops. Draft a guy now. Barkley is good but QB is much harder to draft….

  7. …an unnamed scout with no apparent connection to Gettleman, other than “crossing paths with him on the road over the years,” suggested.

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    Can you make the source sound less reliable or credible?

  8. @ cheapskates
    Everyone of those teams were in the playoffs with the exception of Dallas and probably would had made playoffs if Zeke didn’t get suspended.

  9. Smokescreen.
    Who cares about who the NYG draft?
    They need about 25 new players that actually have talent, not just 1 QB to develop, or a DE with no one opposite him, or a RB which you can get later in the draft.

  10. No disrespect to Barkley, but wasn’t Trent Richardson a can’t miss / generational talent?

  11. bart15np says:
    April 15, 2018 at 1:38 pm
    Going to have to draft one eventually, why not now with a premiere pick

    Reading comprehension. Did you read the article? That was the point. They have a premier pick. Don’t waste it on a QB if they don’t believe he is a premier player just because it’s a QB. Jeez. School taxes keep going up and up. Not sure we are getting anything in return…

  12. Never draft a RB when your QB is old , shell shocked and has only a year left , how stupid are the Giants if they don’t take a QB as they will end up sending a bunch of picks to move up next year . Face it Eli is done and after this year he wont even be a starter on any team

  13. I wish Pat Shurmur nothing but the best in three years when he’s looking for an offensive coordinator job.

  14. It’s a no brainier..There is no QB worthy of the #2 pick for them. There are several teams trying to move up for one if the QBs. Smartest move is to trade down 3/4 spots and take who’s available from (G) Nelson, (DE Chubb) or maybe even Barkley. I’d take Nelson and grab a RB in round 2. D.Guise or R.Jones should be there pick 34.

  15. cheapseater says:
    April 15, 2018 at 1:41 pm
    Amazing how people say that Barkley is a generational talent. I’ve literally heard the same thing about Gurley, Elliott and Fournette within the past 5 years.

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    But with Gurley the pundits were actually correct.

  16. Smokescreen.
    By saying that they may take barkley,they are trying to force Cleveland to take Barkley at #1, which allows them to choose between all of the q.b.’s, or fleece somebody else for the #2 pick.
    Duh..

  17. cheapseater says:
    April 15, 2018 at 1:41 pm
    Amazing how people say that Barkley is a generational talent. I’ve literally heard the same thing about Gurley, Elliott and Fournette within the past 5 years.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Looking at teams who drafted a qb with a top ten pick compared to a rb with a top ten pick the last few years drafting a rb is the way to go.

  18. The Giants are looking Darnold, Barkley, Nelson. If they were smart, they would take Nelson. With the rookie pay being slotted by draft position, the “value” that draft analysts often talk about when selecting high picks is pretty much out the window. They have had a terrible O-line for a while now, and getting a plug and play monster interior lineman would improve the team immediately.

    And Chubb? It makes no sense. The Giants traded Pierre-Paul because he wasn’t a good fit for the new D. For one, he is too big to be a standup LB, and has played his whole life with his hand in the dirt. Chubb is even bigger, and also plays with his hand in the dirt. The pick would make very little sense.

  19. If I was the Giants and the only QB that interested me was Darnold, then if the Browns take him then I trade out of #2 and get 2 or 3 more picks for this year and next. Trade with the Bills and get their 12 and 22, plus another pick next year and draft BPA. RB is something they can find in Rd 2, but they really need Oline help right now.

  20. Honestly passing on a franchise Quarterback that can keep you in contention for years to come tough decision, how much better is Barkley than all the other running backs in the draft I think if the pass on a Quarterback they should draft Chubb either way I think the Giants are going to get a great player .

  21. Also, for those who don’t know: The Giants spent a 3rd rounder on a QB last year who a lot of people really liked coming out. I thought Webb was the 2nd best QB coming out of the draft last year, behind Watson. I thought he had the 2nd best NFL-ready skill set of all the QBs. Granted, it’s a new regime, but it would seem foolish to draft another guy without knowing what you have already, especially when none of the top 4-5 QBs in this draft are sure things.

  22. You can’t force a QB pick. He has to be *the guy*. If they don’t feel that way about any of them, they should trade down. Don’t force the pick just bc Eli’s old.

  23. only qb from college that was hall of fame bound in the last 20 years was Anderw Luck. and right now i wouldn’t trade capernick for him.

  24. Might as well take a chance if one is still on the board. Better to get a bust with a pick you received from sucking rather than trading years of 1st & 2nd rounders to move up in another draft.

  25. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    April 15, 2018 at 5:55 pm
    If 37 year old Eli is aging, what is soon to be 41 year old Brady doing?

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    Winning the league MVP.

    Who Will be your Jets’ QB this season Jets fan?

  26. That move they pulled a day or 2 ago praising Barkley was as blatant a smokescreen as I have ever seen, they are clearly going to pick a QB.

  27. Rate This
    patriotmaleorgy says:
    April 15, 2018 at 4:23 pm
    cheapseater says:
    April 15, 2018 at 1:41 pm
    Amazing how people say that Barkley is a generational talent. I’ve literally heard the same thing about Gurley, Elliott and Fournette within the past 5 years.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Looking at teams who drafted a qb with a top ten pick compared to a rb with a top ten pick the last few years drafting a rb is the way to go.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    The point is if a once in a generation talent comes along every other year, then he’s not a once in a generation talent.

  28. Well for the first year time in years no one knows what the Giants are going to do in the draft. Good job Gettleman.

  29. I like the thought processes here.
    The Giants have a high draft pick, so they have to take a QB.
    1) Because QB is a crap shoot and you can only get one with a top 5 pick.
    2) Because if they don’t take one and end up with a good record (implies whoever they take helps them win) they will have to trade up next year to get a high draft pick.
    3) Because they need one, or will soon, so they should draft one 2nd overall even if they think he is no better then Jake Locker.

  30. emmonsh says:
    April 15, 2018 at 4:55 pm
    only qb from college that was hall of fame bound in the last 20 years was Anderw Luck. and right now i wouldn’t trade capernick for him…………………………………

    Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady to name a few

  31. Giants don’t have the cap space to sign if they trade down for more pics. They also draft best available in the first round no matter what position it is.

  32. Well for the first year time in years no one knows what the Giants are going to do in the draft. Good job Gettleman.

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    Like you knew they were going to draft the bust Flowers. The Giants still need to find a decent general manager and a competent head coach. And they’ll have a top-five pick again next year.

  33. I say take Barkley, you still haven’t seen what Davis Webb can do yet. From what I’ve heard he has a better arm than Eli, just the whole dumpster fire of management and front office decided to put Geno Smith in the day they benched Eli Manning instead of Davis Webb. You know what I get it he was a rookie, but that move to Webb might have actually saved both their jobs because it would have made it seem like you were looking towards the future. Of course, you probably would’ve had to let him play out the season and we’d still probably have the #2 draft pick. Which might’ve angered Eli, but after that dumpster fire of a season even before Odell got hurt why Not? Only factor here is if the browns are smart and actually take Barkley #1, if they do then I think you take Chubb. I mean they’ve got Taylor so they may go qb at #4, if they take a qb at #1 the pressure will be too great from front office management and ownership to start him. So much to my dismay I don’t think the giants get a crack at Barkley, butt Chubb wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize. Just make sure you at least get Davis Webb some playing time during preseason.

  34. citpyrc says:

    April 15, 2018 at 9:05 pm

    Well for the first year time in years no one knows what the Giants are going to do in the draft. Good job Gettleman.

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    I disagree sir the year we drafted flowers we didn’t know they’d draft a bust with the ( I believe)9th overall pick then the unthinkable happen to beatty and we’d be forced to start him and he’s been whiffing on defenders ever since.

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