Is Tom Brady leading a revolt against Bill Belichick?

Getty Images

On the 18th anniversary of Bill Belichick’s decision to make Tom Brady a Patriot, is Brady actively trying to unmake the Patriots?

The notion that #Tommy is fomenting Foxborough friction would have been inconceivable a year ago. Now, Tom Curran of NBC Sports Boston connects the dots in a way that suggests Brady resides at the center of the storm that keeps gathering around Belichick and his grumpy old man ways.

Curran identifies scattered Patriots who revolted in the past, from Adalius Thomas to Randy Moss to Wes Welker to Logan Mankins. This time, it’s very different.

“The pushback now is being led by Brady,” Curran writes. “And it’s not about one thing, it’s about everything. It’s about the culture. A culture we’ve all celebrated for nearly two decades as being the reason the Patriots from 2001 through 2019 will be the standard by which all American sports dynasties are measured.

“But when the player whose buy-in is most important — Brady — begins an open revolt, then what? What changed? Who changed? How many teammates agree with him? What next?”

Curran’s column lacks hard evidence that would support the proclamation that Brady is leading a “pushback,” or that he has launched an “open revolt.” Curran will join Monday’s PFT PM podcast, where that will surely be one of the questions.

The column contains plenty of quotes from now-former Patriots that suggest a sea change regarding the willingness of players to continuously be mentally and emotionally beaten down by a “zero fun, sir” head coach whose quest to win each and every Super Bowl may not be shared by guys who eventually have a couple of rings (or more) and who decide that life is too short to let it be run by a single-minded, all-consuming, soul-expunging obsession.

Really, how many times can a guy give everything he has to keep scaling a mountain he already has scaled, especially when there’s no clear evidence that all work and no play is the secret to making it to the summit? The Eagles, a far more fun-loving and loose group than the Patriots, won the Super Bowl this year by beating the Patriots, thanks in part to Belichick choosing to send a message to the locker room in a way that kept one of his best defensive players on the bench for four hours.

It’s one thing to process a pair of losses to the Giants that felt like divinely-intervened flukes. It’s quite another to lose the Super Bowl to a team with a head coach who doesn’t expect his players to be robots, thanks in large part to a specific effort by Belichick to remind his robots that they should remain robotic by removing the battery from Malcolm Butler.

For more, check out Monday’s PFT PM podcast. Subscribe here. People seem to like it. If you haven’t tried it, this may be the best day to hear what happens.

160 responses to “Is Tom Brady leading a revolt against Bill Belichick?

  1. Look, change with any team is inevitable, but it is particularly so with the Pats given the advancing ages of Brady and Belichick. This “schism” may hasten things a bit however. . . .

  2. Would this article exist if they had won the bowl? Brady should remember who and what got him to where he is, or go have fun playing for a loser.

  3. If the Patriots fired Bellichick in 2018 he would be the #1 choice to replace Hue Jackson in Cleveland similar to Gruden returning to Oakland as he and the Browns owner are very close.

    That would be the biggest storyline of the decade (and Jamie Collins worst nightmare)

  4. At this point in Brady’s career there is no incentive to undermine the coach or the organization. A revolt following the trade of Jimmy G. would be a poke in the eye to not only the management but the fans as well—and I do not think that the fans would be supportive of Tom.

  5. The genius is probably regretting trading his “QB of the future” for a bag of peanuts.

    His starter is pushing 50 and hates him. What can go wrong?

  6. His voice may have finally gotten to the point where guys dont want to hear it anymore, but you cant fault his methods after these past almost 20 years.

    If Brady is revolting its sort of funny how he waited until the end of his career to do so.

  7. as being the reason the Patriots from 2001 through 2019 will be the standard by which all American sports dynasties are measured.

    ****

  8. No one is setting the 2001-2019 Patriots as the standard by which ALL sports franchises. #1 they haven’t played in 2018, so that’s a stretch, but there have been more successful franchises. Anyone remember the Celtics (11 championships in 13 years and arguably THAT franchise)? The Bulls did 6 in 8 years. Lakers went to more championships and won just as many rings – just between 1979 and 1991, fewer years. Spurs same rings, less years and the highest winning percentage of all sports during their span.

    The Patriots are like #4 or #5 on the list as an NFL franchise in terms of wins versus losses, and really not all that close when you look at the dynasties. And they were never dominant in the big game. So no – they are not the standard.

  9. “Curran’s column lacks hard evidence that would support the proclamation that Brady is leading a “pushback,”

    That about sums it up.

  10. Definition of curmudgeon: a crusty, ill-tempered, and usually old man. Yepper, that fits Mr. Hoodie to a tee! The biggest problem is Mr. Cheese is older and probably even more crotchety than cranky crab.

  11. Brady knows that Belichick’s ego cost him another Super Bowl win…He’s a grown man, he put up over 500 yards passing, and they still lost.The greatest performance by a QB in super bowl history. Maybe he realizes no matter how great he performs, it’s all about Bill…Think about it, this is no kid trying to impress the coach.

  12. We always debate Coach Bill or Brady, who is responsible. I think we finally know. It’s Brady. He threw for over 500 yards and they lost…with one of their defensive starters sitting on the bench. They now feel how the Seahawks did after that SB blunder.

  13. “Curran’s column lacks hard evidence”

    Just like every other hit piece trying to shoo Belichick out the door Curran has inexplicably made his stock-in-trade this off-season.

  14. As much as I would want to Pats to fall apart and crumble I cant imagine Brady is the one behind it.

    First, why would they choose someone who has 2-3 years tops at the helm left to makeover and mold the team for the future? If he tried to lead a revolt the organization would just be like, Tom, dude, you’re 40!’

    Second, look at the players that are leaving, or contemplating retirement as the Patriots change (or as we are supposed to believe, revolt) Why would a Brady-led revolt have WRs depart over contract situations, or Gronk be close to retirement? He is going to led a revolt that makes it tougher on him???

    If anything its far more plausible that Belichick, angered over being one upped by ownership in the Garoppolo trade, is throwing a wrench into the team. He’s either doing this to try and show he can win with anyone, that it’s him not Brady responsible for the team success, or he is doing all this, not paying WRs, not signing Butler etc. to dare Robert Kraft to get rid of him.

  15. Not a single fact to back up this “NE Revolt”. Although it appears that every anti-Patriot has accepted it all as the Truth the whole truth and nothing but the Truth.

  16. Something is rotten in the state of Massachusetts.

    I can’t help but wonder if Kraft regrets (supposedly) forcing Bill B.’s hand, watching Garoppolo get shipped out west for a mere 2nd round pick (which I believe was done to spite Kraft). Something about that trade seemed off. At the time it was done, with so little leverage, it’s not how Bill operates

  17. Patriots fans will give this a thumbs down..

    But as a Belichick admirer since January 1987, I honestly hope Belichick leaves next February.

    The under appreciation inside Foxboro is absurd.

    I truly want to see what Brady does with Josh McDaniels as their head coach. Good luck with your 26th ranked defense that results to BB leaving.

    Lastly, I believe the Kraft’s will regret taking Brady’s side at all costs over Belichick.

    It will backfire the way Jerry Jones didn’t understand Jimmy Johnson’s full worth to his franchise.

    Plus, I want to see Belichick become even hungrier and want to win outside of New England. If that happens, the Lombardi Trophy would officially be re-named.

  18. So many things wrong with this article. The mistake I’ll address is the disrespect to the Eagles. They are loaded with talent across the field and their coaches game planned like champs for the majority of the year. The pats “culture” and a weaker AFC field is what got their low talent team to the Super Bowl.

  19. another year…another story of the Patriots demise….. ho hum book us a trip to another AFC Championship and SuperBowl….Same as it ever was!!!

  20. TruFBFan says:
    April 16, 2018 at 3:04 pm

    The Patriots are like #4 or #5 on the list as an NFL franchise in terms of wins versus losses, and really not all that close when you look at the dynasties. And they were never dominant in the big game. So no – they are not the standard.

    ———————————————————–

    Full free agency era. What NE has done will never be replicated.

  21. As this article states, Curran has no actual evidence just a random theory. One day these takes about the Patriots being done as a top team will end up being correct, but these writers and talking heads keep making themselves look dumb trying to be the 1st to call it

  22. “…head coach whose quest to win each and every Super Bowl may not be shared by guys who eventually have a couple of rings (or more) and who decide that life is too short to let it be run by a single-minded, all-consuming, soul-expunging obsession.”

    Last time I checked, that is the goal assigned to the coaches and players. Vilifying a coach who is dedicated to winning takes more mental gymnastics than I am willing to handle.

  23. First off no ones hates the Patriots as much as I do. Secondly a couple of people responded saying BB will be fired. Do you know anything about football? Kraft(owner) and BB are long term best friends and that will NEVER happen. This team may or may now be having internal problems, to which I have still seen no real proof. BB is a cheater, and not a good person imo, but he’s great coach and the Pats are still the AFC defending champs. Like them or not, they continue to win, and probably will continue to do so.

  24. TruFBFan…. all true except the Patriots are doing what they are doing in a salary Cap Era…. BIG difference. Think about the talent that has walked out of Foxboro because you can’t pay everybody.

  25. The best part of this whole article:

    “Curran’s column lacks hard evidence to support”

    Should probably stop reading after that sentence.

  26. Belichick did not seem to care about winning the last sb because he benched Malcolm Butler for no rhyme or reason, and according to Amenodola, many players disagreed with the decision.

  27. sayormills49 says:
    April 16, 2018 at 2:58 pm

    Would this article exist if they had won the bowl? Brady should remember who and what got him to where he is, or go have fun playing for a loser.
    =========================================================================
    Before lucking into drafting Brady in the 6th round, BB wasn’t a successful head coach. I think you have it backwards. BB didn’t become a “genius” until getting Brady. There’s BB pre-Brady and BB with brady and there simply is no comparison.

  28. sayormills49 says:
    April 16, 2018 at 2:58 pm
    Would this article exist if they had won the bowl? Brady should remember who and what got him to where he is, or go have fun playing for a loser.

    ————————

    Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.

    Whenver NE doesn’t win the SB, this is what the offseason is like.

    It just shows the jealousy, tied to the idea the ride is nowhere near over, and how the NFL fears the Pats going to another SB.

    They now even have Tom Curran, a rational, honorable insider for years, now trolling the organization with outright lies.

    It won’t matter…When January rolls around and NE is hosting another title game, poised to possibly go to another SB, Goodell and his stooges will be dreaming up new ways to changes a rule in the SB to try to cheat the Pats.

  29. Not a Pats fan in any shape or form, but the final paragraph pretty much explains the purpose of this article.

  30. Nothing more than a fishing expedition … The media is tired of the regular Patriot diet of business as usual. They’ve now evolved to throwing various notions against the wall to see which will stick.

    Just Saying

  31. .
    The whole Butler saga has to be a kick in the teeth for players who endured a lot to get to the Super Bowl. They know that their best personnel group was not on the field that day.
    .

  32. I’ll believe it when I see the Patriots suffer a horrific 4-12 campaign, not a campaign that sees them go 10-6 and win the AFC East. “Oh no, we didn’t get a playoff bye for the first time since 2009, things are obviously going downhill fast!”

  33. LOL is this a joke. im a ravens fan but cmon may. Bellichecks way works, who else has won or been too that manny superbowls in the last 30 yrs. not the eagles ill tell you.

  34. Like it or not, the world is changing and becoming more and more focused on the “individual” rather than “the team” and the ways of Belechik will be harder and harder to pull. It feels like the end of an era…and the new normal.

  35. I’ll bet you:

    1) the Patriots win their division (pretty sure of this)

    2) The Patriots have at least 11 wins. Could be 12 or 13, or even 10, but 11 sounds about right.

    3) the Patriots compete for the AFC championship.

  36. Brady is the greatest QB of all time in my opinion, however I said last year I would have traded or cut him in favour of Garopolo. Why compete for two seasons when you could have 15 years. I think Brady couldn’t handle the competition because he knows he is weaker now and forced the trade. I love what he has brought but also understand it is a business and that he needs to go sooner rather than later. Kraft needs to let Bill do what Bill does and stop letting his emotions for “son” Tommy interfere.

  37. It is clear from this and from the ESPN article that Brady and Belichick are not close and probably never were.

    As for Brady’s future…we will know a lot more from what the Pats decide to do in the draft. If they, say, move up to pick a QB… bye bye Tom.

  38. feckyerlife says:
    April 16, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    LOL is this a joke. im a ravens fan but cmon may. Bellichecks way works, who else has won or been too that manny superbowls in the last 30 yrs. not the eagles ill tell you.
    =====================================================================================
    See Belichick’s record prior to getting Brady with 6th round pick in the 2000 draft and look at how his way worked prior. How many super bowls has BB coached & won without Brady again?

  39. If you really wanted to be objective, they should’ve lost two other Super Bowls if it wasn’t for the stupidity of Seattle and Atlanta. The “dynasty” might’ve crumbled before now…

  40. If Belichick gets fired, some of the other teams actually have a shot at being a dynasty…because right now NE is blocking everyone from being a dynasty.

  41. Who’s the real secret to their success: Brady or Belicheater??? Timeless question

    Bill might be sick of Kraft and Tom too. The move to let Jimmy G go was crazy.

  42. Belichick is losing his grip on this team. It was bound to happen eventually. His way of coaching may have been successful (5 rings in 8 tries) but it seems to be looked at as “old school” now. Why is that? Guys are tired of not being paid what they deserve, they can’t train with Alex Guererro if they want to, and as Amendola said, Bill can just flat-out be an “a-hole”. Perfect example: letting Malcolm Butler stand on the sidelines for the entire Super Bowl, when playing him may have changed the outcome. I think that was the last straw for a lot of players, and fans too. I wouldn’t care if Belichick walked away. I still hate thinking about that loss to Philly. Curran usually has the inside info. Can’t wait to hear that podcast…

  43. Soon training camp will open, Brady and the rest will be in Foxboro practicing and back in the saddle for the season to come. All this click bait nonsense being generated by the media will go away and the Pats will start their yearly charge to the AFC Championship and hopefully another Super Bowl appearance.

    And their will be the usual gnashing of teeth and gnawing off of extremities by the Pats haters who were so sure this was the season the Pats were going to fall apart.

    Lolz

  44. You don’t kick the MVP of the league out the door unless you’re a moron. Timing wasn’t right for Jimmy G and that’s because B.B. held the insurance policy for too long before cashing it. He wanted to win without Brady plain and simple but without Brady he is still the Browns coach. And don’t talk to me about 2008. Yeah the 11 wins were impressive but when it counted and you needed wins to get in the playoffs (which they missed) you didn’t get them. And 3-1 to start a season without Brady really wasn’t all that much to write home about. B.B. would be the first person to tell you that quarter of the season is worthless. Brady almost bailed out his coach in the super bowl but for a strip sack. If I threw for 505 and lost someone would have some splainin to do.

  45. The Boston media are the absolute worst in the world. I wish Kraft, Belichick and Brady would just stop talking to them altogether. What a joke.

  46. Incredible. The article itself states that there is no evidence of this being true but we’ve got a wall of posts showing that everyone has accepted it as the truth.

  47. Work is called work because it’s…work.
    No one goes to work to have fun. If you manage to have fun at work it’s incidental.
    These guys have plenty of off-time to have all the fun they want. If this is true, then these people have taken entitlement to a new level.

  48. zibet says:
    April 16, 2018 at 3:54 pm

    Who’s the real secret to their success: Brady or Belicheater??? Timeless question

    Bill might be sick of Kraft and Tom too. The move to let Jimmy G go was crazy.
    ================================================================================
    They couldn’t pay 2 QBs $2o million plus. Brady thinks he can play 5 more years. The other guy looks good but is unproven. To let Brady go for an unproven guy is way too risky. It isn’t crazy at all.

  49. Brady is not GOAT. Undoubtedly MSOAT (Most Successful of All Time) though.

    With that said he is in my top 15 for GOAT, based on his wins and success alone. But success is a team aspect, and a lot of the time it starts with the coach. Who just so happens to have a real case for GOAT himself.

    The Pats would be far worse off today if they lose Belichick compared to if they lose Brady.

  50. mumfio says:

    April 16, 2018 at 3:52 pm

    feckyerlife says:
    April 16, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    See Belichick’s record prior to getting Brady with 6th round pick in the 2000 draft and look at how his way worked prior. How many super bowls has BB coached & won without Brady again?

    =======================================

    Well he has 2 coaching SB rings without Brady and went to 3 prior to Brady. And his defensive gameplan for the 1990 SB against the Bills was requested to be archived in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

  51. If Brady wasn’t happy, he would just walk away as the greatest quarterback to have played the game. There is absolutely zero reason for him to foment some revolt against Belichick, without whom he would have likely never had a successful career.

  52. Not a Patriots fan, but this will all go away when they’re winning games again in September-January/February, which they do every year.

  53. In all of these Patriot’s stories, when it boils down, they overstate the issues in the locker room.

  54. When Brady is gone, Belichick will still win in New England (if he’s still there, I should say). He’s done it before: Matt Cassell, for example. If winning is want you want, his style, his system – his command and execution – it works. The evidence can’t be ignored. It’s not the only system that works – but it works. We all know it – even the fans of other teams that won’t admit it, they know it.

    When Belichick is gone – whether or not Brady is still there – the slide to mediocrity will begin in earnest. If Brady still has couple of years left in him, he might help slow it a bit, but it will happen pretty fast. Josh McDaniels? Denver couldn’t run him out of town any faster. Why would he be any better in New England?

    All good thing come to an end, Pats fans – and man, I’m not a Pats fan but I’m the first to admit it was truly something to see. You might have two or three years left, but you’re going to be coming back to the mean soon.

    Happens to all dynasties – Pats will be no different.

  55. Braz says:

    April 16, 2018 at 3:57 pm

    Who made the Pats? Brady is great but it is Belichick without a doubt.

    ==========================================

    Don’t underestimate Brady’s importance. Belichick is 18-19 as Pats coach without Brady starting. And Brady is the only player Belichick has decided to keep around even though he has consistently has got rid of good players who start to get too expensive.

  56. Braz says:
    April 16, 2018 at 3:57 pm

    Who made the Pats? Brady is great but it is Belichick without a doubt.
    =====================================================================
    How so? His record as a head coach for the Patriots in 2000 before he used Brady was 5-11 & his record in his final season with the Browns was also 5-11. His head coaching record before lucking into drafting Brady in the 6th round was 41-55. Prior to Brady he had 1 winning season, and that was with the Browns. Brady is obviously the difference.

  57. Well he has 2 coaching SB rings without Brady and went to 3 prior to Brady. And his defensive gameplan for the 1990 SB against the Bills was requested to be archived in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
    ======================================================================================================
    Not as head coach, that was Parcells. Belichick inherited Lawrence Taylor(widely considered the best outside linebacker of all-time) & Harry Carson (Hall of Fame) and a loaded defense in general. So was it Belichick, or the Hall of Fame defense that he inherited when he was hired there? I mean how lucky can a coach get? He basically hit the lottery twice.

  58. Let’s debunk some of the “getting tired of the voice” theory… take a look at the roster. The good bulk of the Patriots have been there for 6 or 7 years or less. Outside of Brady and a few other major names, the rest are fairly new. 19 years with the same boss, I’m getting tired of it too.

    Seems again, more about the media looking to create a story to fill some gap. Or, piling on towards the tail end of an historic run.

  59. Not sure it makes a ton of sense to latch onto a team mentality that has won exactly one super bowl and using that as a “See they did it” moment.

    Brady isn’t going to win this one. Assuming it’s even true. If it is he needs to be reminded he’s a player not the coach.

  60. Belichick is an amazing coach, obviously, but one big difference between him and other notable head coaches like Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcels, and until recently, Nick Saban, is that those guys knew that if you stay in one place for too long you tend to wear out your welcome. Johnson himself admitted that it takes too much intensity to keep coaching at such a high level for so long, and that he would burn himself out after 4 or 5 years. I think the Patriots have had a great run, but it may be time at long last for Belichick to move on.

  61. @mumfio

    Do you know the number of playoff games Bill Parcells won without Belichick on his coaching staff?

    That would be the same number of playoff games the Greatest NFL Player of all-time, Tom Brady, has won without Belichick as his coach.

    For the record, Belichick has won in the playoffs without the two HOFers Parcells and Brady. Parcells and Brady without BB, no playoff wins yet.

  62. The only reason Tom Brady is still on this team is because of Bob Kraft. I wonder if Bob is down with all this nonsense, or if it is what it is , just nonsense.

  63. Browns fan here. Can’t stand him, but it’s insane the negativity Brady is getting. He’s the GOAT. Kraft rightly decided to let him go out on his own terms. Bill doesn’t like it. I get it. Very rarely does one deserve to write his endning, but Brady does.

  64. The people who follow this team are certainly putting on a brave face. It’s amusing.

  65. whywerule says:
    April 16, 2018 at 4:41 pm
    Do you know the number of playoff games Bill Parcells won without Belichick on his coaching staff?

    That would be the same number of playoff games the Greatest NFL Player of all-time, Tom Brady, has won without Belichick as his coach.

    For the record, Belichick has won in the playoffs without the two HOFers Parcells and Brady. Parcells and Brady without BB, no playoff wins yet.
    ===============================================================================================================================
    Parcells also inherited Lawrence Taylor & Harry Carson, all he needed was an average offense and he had a major contender. I never said Parcells was great either. It still doesn’t change facts. BB had a losing record before Brady and became a “genius” only after winning the lottery and lucking into getting Brady. Belichick had one winning season in Cleveland and beat his former boss, Parcells in the wildcard playoff game and was blown out the following week against the Steelers. Is that supposed counter my point about BB having a losing record prior to getting Brady, because it doesn’t. You can’t use Brady as an example as the Pats are the only team he has played for & BB coached another team, the Browns to a losing record. You should see the difference.

    Belichick may in fact be as great as most people seem to think, but in reality we will never know. It’s like how people think Phil Jackson is the greatest coach in the NBA because he has 11 championships. Thing is Jackson had the good fortune to have the 2 best players in the league in their prime on his team, twice. If Jackson were to take the Charlotte Bobcats to the championship it would be way more impressive. When you have the best talent it is harder to lose than it is to win.

  66. 18 year run. 8 Super Bowl appearances. All despite huge player turnover on a yearly basis. B.B. doesn’t have to be their friend. I think the players understand that but simply are getting tired of it. It happens to most people in any profession.

  67. I don’t know why the Patriots fans are getting so twisted. Nothing lasts forever. They had a great run now time to admit it is coming to an end. One thing I can tell you is this thing is not going to end pretty.

  68. There are 2 common denominators in New England’s winning ways: Bill and Tom.

    Tom has a handful of years left, at best. He even appears to be contemplating retirement (Tom v Time).

    Bill has announced no such intentions and will encounter no physical limitations. Though Brady is obviously the GOAT, if you can pair Bill with another great QB, which one would you put your money on? If he’s out in New England, I’m lining up as quick as possible to fire my head coach and make Belichick the man.

  69. The reality is that Brady and many others were willing to tow the company line when they had a head coach who got them Super Bowl rings. Now in the face of evidence that Belichick has made efforts to undermine his teams success to show them that he is so good he can control who wins and who loses, the players feel burned and are willing to move on from him. No, we would not be talking about this if the Patriots won the Super Bowl. And that’s exactly the issue. That Belichick screwed the guys who were on his side.

  70. Absolutely wrong…we have not “all celebrated the patriots culture”. Nor are “all sports measured” by Pats.

    They have a culture of CHEATING.

    Proven in court. Deal.

  71. So every year someone pushes a Patriot scandal and at best it’s motivation for the Patriots to prove them wrong again. Seems like a win for the Patriots. Not a Patriot fan.

  72. With each new story it’s looking more and more like the Patriots traded the wrong QB.

  73. Cue the “Belichick is a GENIUS” comments….because they say that about everything.

    I am sure that there were a whole bunch of them saying ” Bill is benching Malcolm Butler for the Super Bowl? he’s a GENIUS!!” right before the most recent Super Bowl LOSS

  74. “They have a culture of CHEATING.

    Proven in court. ”

    Judge Berman: Mr Goodell, what evidence do you have that Tom Brady engaged in a scheme to deflate balls?

    Goodell: None your honor.

    So no, proven just the opposite in court.

  75. mumfio says:

    Not as head coach, that was Parcells. Belichick inherited Lawrence Taylor(widely considered the best outside linebacker of all-time) & Harry Carson (Hall of Fame) and a loaded defense in general. So was it Belichick, or the Hall of Fame defense that he inherited when he was hired there? I mean how lucky can a coach get? He basically hit the lottery twice.

    ===========================================

    Yea, that’s why the Pro Football Hall of Fame archived his defensive gameplan…because he was “lucky”. And your logic badly falters when you say Belichick is “lucky” to have LT and Brady yet Parcells never reached the same heights without Belichick… Belichick and Brady equally share in the greatness of the Pats success.

  76. Tom Brady’s blind side is Alex Guerrero. Brady should not let his friendship with Guerrero be cancer in the locker room. He and Gronk should not be allowed to run the team. Trade Gronk to the Browns for the first pick. The Pats can win the SB without him. The team stuck with him through all his injuries. Brady should retire if he’s just going to be pouty, so the team can rebuild without him. Enough of this drama. BB can have Johnny Foxboro as QB.

  77. Either (a) this is not true (b) Brady is making a huge ego play as he wants more credit for the success or (c) he’s tired of winning. Bill might be a donkey but hard to argue with those results.

  78. More breathless gossip with zero behind it. Nate “Turnstile” Solder said the team supported him when his son was sick, but what got picked up and headlined is the Patriots are “cold” and you had to worry about your job if you had a bad practice.
    Every year the silliness gets louder, there is never proof, and people just change the song to the fall version.
    1. No evidence that BB was forced to trade Jimmy
    2. Solder wasn’t worth what he wanted. That shoulder injury turned in into a revolving door.
    3. Butler himself admitted he was sick all week and practiced badly. It wasn’t a discipline thing at all. The idea that a guy who regularly gets abused by bigger receivers would magically come off the bench and fix that game is silly. Watch the Atlanta game, he got so toasted that they had to put Eric Rowe out there.
    4. If Brady is leading a revolt, it sure is a quiet one. Nobody has said ANYTHING about Brady saying ANYTHING. All speculation. He is setting up retirement, there isn’t much reason to change the Patriots for 2 years. How is this sensible? It’s not.
    5. The idea that BB was nothing without Brady is silly. HE HAD DREW BLEDSOE. He built the team that beat the Rams from scrap parts and good scheme. Did Brady hold the greatest show on turf to 17 points? No, he didn’t. He was an important part of the team, but he was a part.

    Tom Curran just stirring the pot here.

  79. Wow, here we go with the who’s responsible arguments. I’d say, Brady is one of the greatest QB’s of all time, but Montana is the best. Belichick is one of the greatest coaches of all time, but Joe Gibbs is the best. The combination of Brady/Belichick is the greatest combo of all time. I’ve been watching this game for a long time, and that’s my honest opinion. If someone else thinks Vince Lombardi or Peyton Manning are the greatest at what they did, I love it. That’s what’s awesome about sports. Just to be mentioned in one of those arguments is beyond awesome.

  80. Yes, there’s some hard feelings over the gruff culture and mean old Belichick making the players practice in tough conditions. Too bad—he’s proven he knows a thing or two about preparation to win close games. Those things are the difference makers a lot of the time.

    What’s missing here is that the Patriot team that faced the Eagles was not one of the better versions that went to the Super Bowl. Would Butler have made the difference? Possibly. Not definitely. I can see players having issues with not putting their best on the field for the biggest of games. They work harder than other teams to get there every year.

    Still, I’d be amazed if the team isn’t 12-4 again and looking for a 1st round bye to begin the playoffs this year. The organization and Brady are too professional to let distractions deter them like we see with so many other franchises. That’s what has been most amazing through this whole run—that consistency.

  81. Bill Belichick and Tom Brady are laughing their heads off reading this fictitious drivel that you wish was true. The New England Patriots remain the team that all 31 others aspire to. Believe it or not, Bill knows precisely what he is doing. We’ve lost some productive players but have a lot of draft picks to replace them. Only in New England excellence is expected every season – anything less is considered a failure.

  82. haughville says:
    April 16, 2018 at 3:52 pm
    If you really wanted to be objective, they should’ve lost two other Super Bowls if it wasn’t for the stupidity of Seattle and Atlanta. The “dynasty” might’ve crumbled before now…

    ————

    And the Pats should have one two against the Giants. And even against Seattle, it took a lucky play to even put the Seahawks near the end zone at the end of the game so you might as well exclude that as well. See how it works?

  83. I guarantee that Belichick was extremely heated when Kraft told him to trade away Garoppolo. I bet in his mind Brady would retire and Jimmy G would take the reins and continue Belichick’s quest to be the greatest HC of all-time.

  84. Rats always turn on each other when theres no more cheese. Watching the Patriots fall apart is going to be almost as sweet as watching Nick Foles destroy them in the Superbowl.

  85. I know how these things always go. It’s so predictable. The threads always start with anti-Patriots rhetoric and then Patriots fans come in and even up the thumbs up-thumbs down thing. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. Not everything is rainbows and gumdrops in the Patriots’ locker room but on the other hand, things are not as pallid as NBC Boston would have you believe. I’ve been to this rodeo before.

  86. 1 – If there is any truth to this, Brady is a complete loser toolbag.
    2 – Malcolm Butler was not winning that game, so get over it.

    I’m going with this is 100% BS. I refuse to believe that the most successful football team, arguably ever, is headed by two 14-year-old girls. If there was real beef, Brady and Belichick would have it out like men, not this TMZ drama crap. Curran is desperate for a story, and of course Florio is going to exploit that for clicks.

    P.S. Moss was basically begging for the Pats to take him back after 2 games under Childress…so probably take that example out of your soap opera plot.

  87. The internal finger pointing from the Jimmy G. trade fallout must be of historic proportions. NE sent Jimmy G to sf for a bag of peanuts and the Bears gave up what for Trubiski?

  88. I agree with bradjames33160– “the truth is somewhere in the middle.” The only two Patriots beat writers I take seriously are Tom Curran and Mike Reiss, so the fact that both of them are feeling as though there’s something to the supposed unhappiness of Brady, Gronk, etc., says something. Still, is anyone going to be shocked if they’re in playing in another AFC Championship or SB again a little over nine months from now?

    The way so many “trolls” are posting their feigned delight over the eventual demise of the Patriots dynasty is laughable to me as a fan. Indeed, it’s going to come to an end at some point, but that doesn’t erase the fact that it happened. I became a fan of the Patriots in the days of Hugh Millen quarterbacking under coach Dick McPherson, saw my team nearly move to St. Louis, go from the “Browns” of the late 80s to a respectable playoff caliber team under Parcells and Bledsoe, take a slide back under Pete Carroll, and even get off to a rocky start with Belichick. Going back to being like every other team is not something I’m looking forward to, but it won’t change a two decade run of dominance. We won’t see it again, and we’ll just have to be like every other fan in the NFL and hope for a few good playoff runs every decade or so. We’ll deal with it.

  89. Leading a revolt against BB doesn’t seem very smart. How could the owner not let BB get rid of him?

  90. EJ says:
    April 16, 2018 at 6:36 pm

    I guarantee that Belichick was extremely heated when Kraft told him to trade away Garoppolo. I bet in his mind Brady would retire and Jimmy G would take the reins and continue Belichick’s quest to be the greatest HC of all-time.

    Not true. the decision was made in Feb 2016.

  91. So it’s a revolt when players choose not to participate in voluntary off-season workout programs?? Next question is why would Brady at year 18 show up if he doesn’t have a workout bonus in his contract? They can keep the $215 per day and I can workout on my own time and show up only when its mandatory.

    Gronk is another story but he wouldn’t be the first player who gave up his workout bonus.

  92. Tom Brady is one of if not the classiest guys there is. In his mild mannered class act style that only he has I believe he just gave Bill Belichick the middle finger.

  93. Gee.. I wonder if the Patriots will be taking a QB in the draft? You know, now that Jimmy G is kind of busy.

  94. All great teams/players/coaches run their course. They either get too old, too tired, or relationships get too strained to continue the way they have been. Either way there are fewer days ahead than there are behind.

  95. As “Dandy Don” Meredith used to sing:

    Turn out the lights
    The party’s over
    They say that all
    Good things must end.

  96. jake6879 says:
    April 16, 2018 at 5:17 pm

    The reality is that Brady and many others were willing to tow the company line when they had a head coach who got them Super Bowl rings. Now in the face of evidence that Belichick has made efforts to undermine his teams success to show them that he is so good he can control who wins and who loses, the players feel burned and are willing to move on from him.
    ———————

    What a load of claptrap. The Patriots have been in 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls, and won 2 of them. Anyone that expects them to win every single time they are in it is delusional.

  97. This is the transformation into the 2nd Belichick era. Brady will play as hard as ever to cement his legacy and meanwhile Belichick will begin preparing.

  98. stucats says:
    April 16, 2018 at 2:54 pm
    this team is crumbling down & I LOVE IT!!!

    —————————
    I would NOT stick a fork in NE just yet. Let’s see a couple of 8-8 or less seasons THEN we can stick a fork in them.

  99. Patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    April 16, 2018 at 5:29 pm
    With each new story it’s looking more and more like the Patriots traded the wrong QB.

    ================

    Makes no sense, since you repeated have said a high school QB could lead the Pats to wins because of their magical “system”. You need to stick with your own crazy argument before you start a new crazy one. You discredit yourself.

  100. How about the rift between Brady and BB over the personal trainer Brady and Gronk choose to use rather than the team’s good ole boy?

    ——

    By good ole boy, are you referring to the Patriots training staff and team doctors?

  101. steelchampions says:
    April 16, 2018 at 7:40 pm
    All great teams/players/coaches run their course. They either get too old, too tired, or relationships get too strained to continue the way they have been. Either way there are fewer days ahead than there are behind.

    ————

    Kind of sounds like Pittsburgh, what with Ben being old and injury prone and already talking about retirement. Plus tomlin seems like he’s on thin ice every year after they get bounced from the playoffs

  102. Rats always turn on each other when theres no more cheese. Watching the Patriots fall apart is going to be almost as sweet as watching Nick Foles destroy them in the Superbowl.

    ————

    You’re not even an Eagles fan are ya? Pats must have really put some beat downs on your favorite team I would bet.

  103. Brady and Bellicheck clearly are not on each other’s Christmas list anymore. I fully expect Bellicheck to take control and draft a new QB somewhere in this draft.

    And in two years, I expect him to move Brady; weather Brady likes it or not.

  104. Butler had an aversge season. I remover saying to my brother “ good thing they never signed him
    Long term” I’ll stick with that.

  105. Would this article exist if they had won the bowl? Brady should remember who and what got him to where he is, or go have fun playing for a loser.

    _______________

    But they didn’t win, and perhaps that has players wondering if it IS all worth it. Sure, when you win, you justify it. But if you don’t? If you’re going to be like 31 other teams, why not have some fun? Eagles had fun, Broncos had fun. You can have fun and win.

    At this point in Brady’s career, it sounds like he’s looking for more than just the grind. Like Aqib Talib said about his move to the Rams…at this stage of his career, he wants to be somewhere where he’s comfortable.

    Think about it, do we all slave, work hard, put in extra hours, just so we can slave and put in extra hours some more? There’s a payoff we’re working for, a promotion, different job, retirement, etc. Something that isn’t as much of a grind. If there’s a nugget of truth about Brady in Curran’s article, that’s it. After all these years, it’s starting to wear on him.

  106. They’re both so etched into the history of the NFL that they’ve forgotten how much they needed each other to make that happen.

  107. mumfio says:
    April 16, 2018 at 5:03 pm
    Belichick may in fact be as great as most people seem to think, but in reality we will never know. It’s like how people think Phil Jackson is the greatest coach in the NBA because he has 11 championships. Thing is Jackson had the good fortune to have the 2 best players in the league in their prime on his team, twice. If Jackson were to take the Charlotte Bobcats to the championship it would be way more impressive. When you have the best talent it is harder to lose than it is to win.
    ==========================================================================================
    Fair point. If we are working under the premise of coaching with the best talent, the only argument I have is it holds true for EVERY great coach. Meaning we can also discount the greatness of Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Don Shula, Jimmy Johnson and some others. There’s also a notion of divining where the intersecting point of talent vs coaching that talent is as well. If you were to create a list of coaches that did anything noteworthy without significant talent I suspect the list will be very short.

  108. u4iadman says:
    April 16, 2018 at 5:20 pm
    Absolutely wrong…we have not “all celebrated the patriots culture”. Nor are “all sports measured” by Pats.

    They have a culture of CHEATING.

    Proven in court. Deal.
    =============================
    You don’t need to celebrate them but you’re kidding yourself if you think all teams aren’t measured by them. Cheating or not.

    The only reason they have a culture of cheating is because of a corrupt commissioner that decided to make a name for himself based on nominal BS that was going on for decades prior to him. Full stop. There really shouldn’t be anybody believing the courts proved cheating. That couldn’t be any further from the truth.

  109. Pats crumbling? Impossible. According to Pats fanboys in here, they walk down a yellow-brick road into practice everyday, and then light candles & sing kumbaya afterwards, w/ their beloved owner!!

  110. Brady should be thankful to Bill. His no nonsense coaching and management style brought Brady a lot of rings.

  111. fireroger says:
    April 17, 2018 at 8:11 am

    mumfio says:
    April 16, 2018 at 5:03 pm
    Belichick may in fact be as great as most people seem to think, but in reality we will never know. It’s like how people think Phil Jackson is the greatest coach in the NBA because he has 11 championships. Thing is Jackson had the good fortune to have the 2 best players in the league in their prime on his team, twice. If Jackson were to take the Charlotte Bobcats to the championship it would be way more impressive. When you have the best talent it is harder to lose than it is to win.
    ==========================================================================================
    Fair point. If we are working under the premise of coaching with the best talent, the only argument I have is it holds true for EVERY great coach. Meaning we can also discount the greatness of Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Don Shula, Jimmy Johnson and some others. There’s also a notion of divining where the intersecting point of talent vs coaching that talent is as well. If you were to create a list of coaches that did anything noteworthy without significant talent I suspect the list will be very short.
    ————————
    ————————
    The point is Belichick was nothing until Brady. He was a losing head coach. His record before Brady played for him was 41-55. The other coaches you mention won with with multiple players. NE is just Brady. The other coaches pretty much had HOF’ers on both sides of the ball. Who are the HOF’ers that Brady has had to help his cause? The Pats were probably the less talented team in their last 3 super bowls, but won 2 of them due to Brady.

  112. mumfio says:
    April 17, 2018 at 10:26 am
    The point is Belichick was nothing until Brady. He was a losing head coach. His record before Brady played for him was 41-55. The other coaches you mention won with with multiple players. NE is just Brady. The other coaches pretty much had HOF’ers on both sides of the ball. Who are the HOF’ers that Brady has had to help his cause? The Pats were probably the less talented team in their last 3 super bowls, but won 2 of them due to Brady.
    ===============
    Sorry but IMO, your argument moves the goal posts to prove a point. Which is to capriciously claim that it only counts to have multiple HOFs to measure the success of a coach. Remove Montana and Young from Walsh and what do you have? You don’t even have a coach that managed a team without HOF QBs. All of which was largely decided by age\injuries than by anything else. I understand what you are saying but I struggle to understand how measuring a coach with two HOF QBs and 3 SBs is somehow better than a coach with 1 HOF QB and 5 SBs. Regardless of how Belichick performed in Cleveland. People can pretend that Walsh didn’t have 3 seasons with less than 6 wins each with Montana running the show but it will still be true. n the end Montana is still significantly better than both Kosar\Testaverde combined.

  113. mumfio says:
    April 17, 2018 at 10:26 am
    The point is Belichick was nothing until Brady. He was a losing head coach. His record before Brady played for him was 41-55. The other coaches you mention won with with multiple players. NE is just Brady. The other coaches pretty much had HOF’ers on both sides of the ball. Who are the HOF’ers that Brady has had to help his cause? The Pats were probably the less talented team in their last 3 super bowls, but won 2 of them due to Brady.

    =======================================================

    Uh, if Belichick had fewer HOFers than other successful coaches, wouldn’t that make his career MORE impressive? And he also is the GM and is far and away the most successful coach and GM of the salary cap era. And Belichick has 2 Super Bowl rings and 3 SB appearances before he even had heard of Tom Brady. Brady and Belichick both deserve plenty of credit.

  114. steelercrazy says:

    April 16, 2018 at 8:52 pm

    As “Dandy Don” Meredith used to sing:

    Turn out the lights
    The party’s over
    They say that all
    Good things must end.

    ==========================

    Is Big Ben talking retirement again?

  115. I respect Patriots fans who know who Hugh Millen and Dick MacPherson are. Bonus points if they actually recall Hart Lee Dykes (what a waste of talent) and Irving Fryar, as well as Robert Perryman.

  116. revelation123 says:
    April 17, 2018 at 10:20 am
    Brady should be thankful to Bill. His no nonsense coaching and management style brought Brady a lot of rings.

    1 0 Rate This
    mumfio says:
    April 17, 2018 at 10:26 am
    fireroger says:
    April 17, 2018 at 8:11 am

    mumfio says:
    April 16, 2018 at 5:03 pm
    Belichick may in fact be as great as most people seem to think, but in reality we will never know. It’s like how people think Phil Jackson is the greatest coach in the NBA because he has 11 championships. Thing is Jackson had the good fortune to have the 2 best players in the league in their prime on his team, twice. If Jackson were to take the Charlotte Bobcats to the championship it would be way more impressive. When you have the best talent it is harder to lose than it is to win.
    ==========================================================================================
    Fair point. If we are working under the premise of coaching with the best talent, the only argument I have is it holds true for EVERY great coach. Meaning we can also discount the greatness of Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Don Shula, Jimmy Johnson and some others. There’s also a notion of divining where the intersecting point of talent vs coaching that talent is as well. If you were to create a list of coaches that did anything noteworthy without significant talent I suspect the list will be very short.
    ————————
    ————————
    The point is Belichick was nothing until Brady. He was a losing head coach. His record before Brady played for him was 41-55. The other coaches you mention won with with multiple players. NE is just Brady. The other coaches pretty much had HOF’ers on both sides of the ball. Who are the HOF’ers that Brady has had to help his cause? The Pats were probably the less talented team in their last 3 super bowls, but won 2 of them due to Brady.

    0 3 Rate This

    ——————–

    Nothing? His SB 25 gameplan sits in Canton? His Giants Ds routinely dismantled Montana and the juggernaut 49ers.

    I could go on for days of this man’s history and incredible resume.

    He was breaking down game film with his dad at Navy at age 12 with Roger Staubach.

    Hint: Tom Brady was NOTHING before the Pats organization and Kraft wisely trading for Bill Belichick.

  117. Guess the revolt isn’t lasting too long. Sorry, Tom Curran.

    NFL Media’s Ian Rapoport seemed to indicated the two might return once Phase 2 rolls around and the team is
    no longer focused just on weight training.

  118. Look at all the Rocket Scientists predicting the Patriots will draft a QB, as if Brady was the last one they drafted. A new clue for you Sherlock Holmes-types, they’ve drafted a few since 2000.

  119. The reality is that Brady and many others were willing to tow the company line when they had a head coach who got them Super Bowl rings. Now in the face of evidence that Belichick has made efforts to undermine his teams success to show them that he is so good he can control who wins and who loses, the players feel burned and are willing to move on from him.
    ———————

    What a load of claptrap. The Patriots have been in 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls, and won 2 of them. Anyone that expects them to win every single time they are in it is delusional.

    ________

    I don’t expect them to win the Super Bowl.. I do however expect the Head Coach to always, 100% of the time, act in the best interest of the team.

  120. mumfio and/or sayiomills:

    “There’s BB pre-Brady and there’s BB with Brady and there is simply no comparison.”

    This is obviously true. Your point? Obviously it is to belittle Belichik, but in order to make it a good point there has to be some other coach who you you think would have just as good a record with Brady and you don’t have any names.

    You have a point, but if you keep your hat on maybe no one will notice. (Thanks to Ann Landers)

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!