NON-CALL ON PETERSON HELMET REMOVAL "FRUSTRATES" PEREIRA

During a Wednesday morning interview on Sirius NFL Radio, NFL V.P. of officiating Mike Pereira took issue with the failure of the officiating crew to flag Vikings running back Adrian Peterson for unsportsmanlike conduct for removing his helmet after scoring what turned out to be the game-winning touchdown against the Packers on Sunday.
“I can’t figure out why anything wasn’t done about that,” Pereira told Randy Cross and Peter King, “but I will say this:  It frustrates me that we didn’t do anything about that.  You can’t take your helmet off either to argue a call or to celebrate.  If you’re in a time out period or a measurement or a challenge there are times when you can take your helmet off on the field.  Or when you’re nearing your team area when you approach the bench.  But when you score like that, when you remove your helmet you should be flagged.  Or when you take off your helmet to argue with the officials you should be flagged, too, and it frustrates me, quite frankly, that we didn’t do that.”
Wow.
We appreciate the candor, especially since the question has been so hotly debated since we posted an item regarding the non-call.  Nearly 150 comments have been generated, and we’ve got a feeling that a few more will be attached to this posting as well.
Clearly, the Vikings avoided a major problem on this one.  If Minnesota had kicked off from their own 15 while leading the game by one point with more than two minutes to play, chances are that game-winning field goal attempt would have been launched closer than 52 yards from the goal post.

114 responses to “NON-CALL ON PETERSON HELMET REMOVAL "FRUSTRATES" PEREIRA

  1. Wait a minute, isn’t this the same guy that said just a couple days ago that public criticism of officials was “unacceptable? Now here he is doing the same thing to HIS OWN STAFF in public. This guy’s a clown and needs to go.

  2. It gets knocked off of his big head!!!! Come on people put the video up again!!! Packer fans can never admit the PACKERS as a team lost the game!!! Its always someone else that makes them lose the game, be it the other team, a ref, or even an act of god. Move on so that next week you can pick a reason why you lost to the BEARS!!!!

  3. You said: “If Minnesota had kicked off from their own 15 while leading the game by one point with more than two minutes to play, chances are that game-winning field goal attempt would have been launched closer than 52 yards from the goal post.”
    Chances are? Really? Talk about speculation (which is about 80% of this site’s content now)…could you also figure out that “chances are” Driver would catch a tipped pass 20 feet in the air for a huge gain? God forbid you’d suggest “chances are” Rodgers might throw a pick and kill the drive before they get into Vikings territory.
    Stop speculating the “what if’s” – a bad call happend but did it unequivocably change the outcome of the game like the Denver/SD game? Not a chance. The ref’s didn’t dictate who won this game. In the end, the better team won the game, which is all we can ask for!!

  4. This is the biggest threat to the NFL game: poor and inconsistent officiating. I understand it has to be the hardest game to ref – but there has to be some way to improve. Look what has happened to the NBA. The refs have hijacked the game and turned into a half court free shooting contest. We need full time, younger, athletic refs.
    Great comment Je suis – made me laugh out loud.

  5. His facemask hit the ground and it came loose!!! they even give you a slowmo on that video you posted. watch it again!!

  6. Anybody else remember any other year where so many calls could have directly determined the outcome of the game? This is ridiculous.

  7. Pereira is increasingly sounding like he wants to flag everything.
    5 yard gain, flag for illegal motion.
    Audible called at the line, flag for false start.
    Sideline catch, flag for unsportsmanlike conduct.
    Tackle, flag for defensive holding.
    Didn’t Florio have an article up a week or so ago where Pereira said he thought the officials weren’t calling enough flags?

  8. You know what annoys me. When guy undue their helment straps after every play. Its like every player has OC or something.

  9. It’s a BS rule. He wasn’t in any kind of harm or making any exceptional celebration. And to be honest with what he just did he might have a good reason to take his helmet off. It was a good non-call. And I think Pereira should be saying this directly to the official instead of giving us such candor. All this does is gives NFL fans more reasons to blame and bash on referees. They’re human and they will make mistakes or not notice certain activities. That’s why the NFL reviews film afterwards and does the best it can with that. I don’t think there is any team that can claim they’ve been affected because of a bad or non call that could have potentially affected the outcome. Personally I blame Ed Hochuli for all this as he should not have publicly apologized as he did or talk about it further. He made a mistake like other refs have throughout the years and because of what he did afterwards has put a bigger spotlight on this all. Vikings won that game and that’s it. We can get on the refs about it but all they do is make sure they are more aware of it.

  10. Here we go again…
    If Minnesota had been moved back 15 yards, there does NOT mean that the Packers would have been 15 yards closer. As it is they got the ball back at the 40. A squib kick or a kick out of bounds would have accomplished the same thing.
    For the record, the debate on your post had a lot to do with the fact that you claimed that this was as bad as the Week 2 Denver call… That is sensationalizing a relatively small part of the game…

  11. If’s and but’s come on now! Get over it!! There are calls that go both ways. If Longwell hadn’t missed his field goal the Packers would have needed a touchdown and the way they were moving the ball that was not going to happen!
    How about the Non call on Woodson’s tackle of AD after the run from inside the 10? He clearly had his hand inside the back of the jersey and should have been flagged for a horse collar.
    Bottom line is Packers lost and Vikings won MOVE ON! Quit dwelling on the past!

  12. 52-15=37
    37 yard field goal is practically a chip-shot these days. The pack got screwed twice by the same crew in the same game. Once on the saftey/illegal forward pass call, and now this.
    NFL = Not For Long when you keep making those calls.

  13. Can you think of a time this season that a non-call affected the outcome of a game more than THIS? I can’t either…Great job Pereira, Zebras, Goodell. You all suck.
    Keep in mind, SD-DEN was a premature whistle, not a non-call.
    Where can I apply to be an NFL Referee? Obviously, there are no qualifications, including knowing the rules as stated in the book.

  14. Nice purple shaded glasses you ahve there Purple Reign.
    Crobsy only needed another 5 yards to make that field goal a absolute. You can argue semantics all you want, but the facts are if Green Bay has that ball at midfield or in Minny territory to start that last drive, you lose – end of story.

  15. Rules are applied differently for different players. Look at all the flags thrown on Al Harris. A good example is the illegal use of hands call against the vikings. Totally bogus. That call is not made against 95% of the DBs in the league. I watch DB play and often think “If that was Harris there’d be 4 flags on the field.”
    Do the refs flag Favre for intentional grounding as they did Rodgers? Officiating in the NFL has become total BS.

  16. Cry me a river!!! Quit bitching about the missed call….the Vikings out played the Wackers and it not for a lucky bounce would of not even had a chance at a field goal. It is a about time the officals missed one on the vikes. Hey did you notice AP rip the packers defense for 192 rushing yard?

  17. Pereira doesn’t seem to be frustrated with pass interference calls that change games.
    Pass interference may be the one call that can change the entire game around and is called WAY too much but he just defends those calls, and then sends out a letter of apology.

  18. Jesus Florio, STOP BEATING A DEAD HORSE! Chances are if GUS threw the PICK-6 a few more inches away from Nick Collins then there is no TOUCHDOWN, “chances are” is the key word.
    I see you made no comment that Pereira said that the intentional ground call was CORRECT. Wait, that wouldn’t fit your agenda from yesterday.

  19. Lets think about this for a minute……..Why are their penalties? Penalties are called when a player gains an unfair advantage over his opponent or tries to injury an opponent. In the helment removal rule it is to discourage showing up his opponent or arguing calls. Now lets look at this case. Did Adrian outrun Bigby because he knew he was going to take his helmet off? No. Did he try to injury any Packer by taking his helmet off? No. Did he take his helmet off to taunt Bigby or yell at the official for not calling the TD quicker? No. In my opinion, great no call. Since we are breaking down rule infractions on that YouTube video, what about the horse collar tackle on AP at 1:47 on the video?

  20. Purple Reign says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 11:35 am
    Stop speculating the “what if’s” – a bad call happend but did it unequivocably change the outcome of the game like the Denver/SD game? Not a chance. The ref’s didn’t dictate who won this game. In the end, the better team won the game, which is all we can ask for!!
    The better team lost. The blown-call on the non-safety that gave Minnesota two points did decide the game, thus the officials greatly affected the outcome of the game.
    Real final score – 27-26 Packers…chump!

  21. Wait, What? A viking fan thinks the call doesn’t matter? HAHA Look all you can do after a bad call helps to alter a game is speculate. Do you disagree that it is easier to score when the defense kicks from the 15 yard line?
    Maybe they still win, but it was simply a bad call. Stop trying to twist it into a vikings against the world thing…HE BROKE A RULE!

  22. Pereira is in way over his head. He needs to go asap. His mantra of “always throw a flag” will now be even worse because his boys missed one. Watch the parade of yellow on BS calls we’ll all be subjected to this weekend. It’s not a “real” football game to Pereira unless HIS boys are the stars and get plenty of air time. The guy is slowly killing the sport from the inside with his ineptitude.

  23. I hate the rule, but if you’re going to make it a rule… ENFORCE IT! as for the dumba$$ who said it got knocked off….. either you’re blind, looking at the wrong clip or are the one making excuses, cuz it’s quite clear he rips his chinstrap off and yanks the helmet off to show his always confused looking face….. Hes a damn good running back, I just wish hed quit and go back to playing Turk in Scrubs or maybe even making a remake of Remember the Titans (anyone see the donald faison resemblance???) The best thing about the NFC North, is that anyone can still win it…. although I really think the Packers play to sloppy and get penalized too often to go anywhere soon, so i see em making it to 8-8 and missing the playoffs…. I just hope the viqueens dont represent the north!

  24. Purple Reign,
    San Diego could have gotten the ball back after the fumble/non-fumble call and fumbled it right back. So the Broncos could have won the game after all. So the ref didn’t influence that game either right? And earlier they didn’t give Minnesota the benefit of a terrible call against the Saints when they gave you an extra possession inside Saints territory after a missed facemask call? But I guess that didn’t influence the game either, right? Of course not, at least not in the home teams eyes.
    And you know it is about “what ifs.” As in, what if Minnesota didn’t get 3 completely terrible game changing calls in the favor that at least COULD have affected who won the game? They could be 2-7 IF the calls were made correctly.
    Everything else being equal in the game, giving GB that 15 extra yards, I say Crosby hits that 37 yard FG 8/10 times at least.

  25. Alright purple people eaters, calm down. Why do you guys keep taking things so personally?
    He’s not frustrated because it didn’t called against the Vikings, he’s frustrated because it didn’t get called. Period, end of story.
    Regardless of which team the penalty was against, his stance is that it should have been called as it’s a violation of the rule. So it’s not a personal attack against the Vikings or “Purple Jesus.” It’s an attack over the inconsistency in the penalty calling.

  26. Purple Reign I can assure you that you and a select few of Vikings fans are the only people in this universe that believe the better team won this game. The Vikings deserved to win and it really makes no difference what calls were made, but believe me the Vikings are NOT, I repeat, NOT the better team. Take off your purple shades and truly put that statement into perspective.

  27. Green Bay didn’t deserve to win, that’s for sure. But to require them to play the Vikings and bad officiating; in fact to require any team to do so, is pretty lousy, no matter who you cheer for.

  28. Either way, the call or non-call is a mute point, as shitty as the Pack played, the still had a chance to win the game and didnt. Because of that you can’t blame anything on the refs, because in the long run we still could’ve won. How good can you feel about this win as a vikings fan, your team damn near dominated us, aside from your passing O/ our passing D… and yet we still had a shot at the game winning field goal, your best days barely beats our shittiest days…
    ….Pack need to revamp that Oline though, they got murdered, starting with Clifton…

  29. “The refs totally took this game away from the Packers, and the ViQueen fans know it.”
    Thats weird… I watched that game, and it looked surprisingly to me like the Vikings win was the result of a missed field goal by the Packers.

  30. “The refs totally took this game away from the Packers, and the ViQueen fans know it.”
    184 yds total offense took the game away from the Packers

  31. bakler5 says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 11:58 am
    Purple Reign I can assure you that you and a select few of Vikings fans are the only people in this universe that believe the better team won this game. The Vikings deserved to win and it really makes no difference what calls were made, but believe me the Vikings are NOT, I repeat, NOT the better team. Take off your purple shades and truly put that statement into perspective.
    RIGHT BECAUSE THE PACKERS HAVE LOST 5 of the last 7. They are far superior!

  32. Peterson’s helmet removal and Rodgers’ illegal forward pass are two of a kind. In both cases, the refs ruled on the apparent intent of the player rather than the specific rule applied to the action.
    Peterson wasn’t taunting, confronting, or readying for a fight. He took off his helmet because the play had ended and (it looked like) he simply needed air.
    Rodgers’ “pass”, in contrast, looked like he was simply trying to avoid a sack.
    If every technical penalty were called (think holding, downfield contact, or cut blocking), then there wouldn’t be a single play without a yellow flag. Intent matters.
    The outcome of the play also matters. Did the hold effect the run, did the contact prevent the completion? Did the infraction change the natural outcome of the play/game? In Peterson’s case, the touchdown counted. In Rodgers’ case, not calling intentional grounding (or whatever), would have unfairly punished the defense. (Had the receiver had even the slightest opportunity to catch the ball, then no intentional grounding should have been called.)
    As with the law, it seems like discretion is an important part of officiating. Otherwise the game couldn’t be played. (Imagine if the law were enforced without discretion. We might have millions of otherwise productive people wasting away in prison for minor drug violations.)
    After the fact reviews can catch egregious violations in which the player’s intent can be sanctioned, even without a gametime infraction. Ask Jared Allen about that.

  33. As a Vikings fan, I will readily admit that his helmet did not get knocked off of his head. He gets a pat on the helmet, but that is not what caused it to come off. Those helmets are on tight enough that a little pat isn’t going to make it come off. He has his head/helmet on the ground and he holds his helmet with both hands and pulls his head out of it. It’s pretty clear.

  34. And for all you morons stating that the helmet got knocked off his head. Watch the damn video. He gets to his knees, unstraps his helmet, puts his head down on the turf, places his damn hands on his ear pads and PULLS the helmet off.
    I am the biggest Packers fan there is and this call really makes no difference to me. It just pisses me off how ignorant Vikings fans are. Your team is so bad that you thoroughly handed us our ass the whole game, and we STILL should have beat you. Crosby makes that kick 9 out of 10.

  35. His helmet came off when he hit the ground. So if this guy, Mike Pereira who happens to be the NFL V.P. of officiating, can’t watch a simple replay and come to the same conclusion we then is it any wonder why the leadership of the NFL is screwing up on so many levels. i.e. fines, suspensions, screwing former players of endorsements, etc… Keep it up NFL management and we’ll have a strike on our hands!

  36. Yes, Peterson should have been flagged, but this in no way equals that Green bay would have won. PFT, seriously, are you based in Green Bay or something. Comparing this to the Denver SD game. If you look at the stats, Green Bay is lucky that the Vikings Quarterback and special teams gave them a chance to kick the field goal at the end.
    From what I saw on the stat sheet, Peterson had more offensive output than the entire GB offense. Don’t you think that had a little more to do with the outcome than the saftey that arguablly was not grounding and this 15 yard penalty that should have been. I am guessing that if I had seen the game, there would be examples of where GB should have been penalized and weren’t.
    I disticntly remember watching on the NFL network a play where the Titans got a pivotal fourth down conversion on the Vikings and it was clear that he didn’t make it. I don’t see you crying foul on that one.
    PFT has lost some serious credibility in my eyes. No Matter though, my Cardinals will take it all this year. Warner for MVP!!!

  37. Tileman –
    Right, the refs took the game away. Of course, had Rodgers not taken a sack in the endzone for a TD, or had the OLine been able to keep Rodgers off from his back, or had the Pack been able to stop AD in the first place, or had the Packers not committed 10 penalties for 80 yards, or had McCarthy not run an asinine 2 minute offense in the final drive of the game…
    A lot more went into this loss than some false belief that the poor, poor Packers are being victimized by the league. I honestly don’t believe that this was a call. But even if it was and the refs missed it, the call is simply NOT the sole reason the Packers lost.
    Every team, not just the Packers, has calls that go for them and against them. Every team. Stop whining.

  38. Don’t be afraid to beat a dead horse.
    What if the Packers fumbled the kickoff, What if Ryan Grant fumbled the ball because the packers could run more with the better field position, What if Aaron Rodgers tripped going out to the 50 yard line and seperated his shoulder, what if the grounding call was just an incomplete pass, and the vikings blocked the punt and recoverd the ball in the end zone, what if, what if, what if. Woulda shoulda coulda. Referee errors are a part of the game.

  39. BTW Florio, I see that you left a lot off from the entire interview. Pereira also goes on to say that the flag for the first safety was “absolutely the right call”. He went on to say that the ball wasn’t close enough to any receiver, and Rodgers was simply trying to throw the ball away to avoid a penalty.
    So the only debatable call is the helmet one on AD, yet you still maintain that this game is as “tainted as the Week 2 Denver win”?
    How about you report ALL of the story?

  40. Pereirra is a tool. The NFL changes the rules as the games are played and his defense of in-defensible calls over the years has made him into a spineless pawn of the NFL and someone who carries absolutely no weight in my household. So what now, he finally took a reality pill? Why start now?

  41. I am a HUGE Packer game and a season ticketholder. Although the calls and lack thereof are annoying we can’t help but admit we were totally ouplayed in this game. Can’t blame the refs for this loss. What about the penalties? The too often conservative playcalling? the swiss cheese run defense? The invisible offensive line on pass plays. Give credit to the Vikings(that hurts) for once in the Chilly Ball era instead of looking for excuses.

  42. all of this will be a moot point in 5 weeks when the Queens are sitting at 6-8, chilly is on his way out and gus frerotte is in a Just For Men commercial. The Packers will still win the NFC North, regardless of the outcome of this game.

  43. I have to say, I love this site, but this discussion is silly. You are advocating penalizing a player who is one of the most humble and respectful in the league for slipping his helmet off. He didn’t wave it around, or do a dance, or taunt anyone. He removed it after scoring in an exhausting 30+ touches performance. Was it illegal? Yes. But this isnt a rule designed to change the course of the game by penalizing a player for brain fart. It’s designed to stop cocky jerks like TO and Chad Johnson from doing any more idiotic things than they already do, or protect players from head injuries. How about winning the game on Sundays guys. When a helmet coming off gets your panties in a bunch, chances are football is getting to be for the weak. The fact is, the vikings whipped the packers butts up and down that feild. If it wasn’t for us pulling classic Viking blooper reel plays and shooting ourselves in the foot, your team isn’t even in the game. You got two gimmies and you want more…
    Good non-call Ref.

  44. officiating in the nfl is a mess, the system needs to be
    overhauled ASAP before a tim donaughy situation arises. Also
    the nfl needs to spend more time and money to develop better
    officials and work on making the rulebook more easier to
    understand for players, coaches, and officials, spend more
    money and time on this and stop wasting money on international
    regular season games and expansion.

  45. Is it a slow week? Is Sprint rolling out some new phone and you need to generate traffic? This is a non-story. Penalties go uncalled in every game, and you can speculate for years over the impact. Did Drew Pearson push off on Nate Wright, and would a penalty have sent the Vikings to the Super Bowl? That’s an argument worth having. Would a 15-yard penalty on the ensuing kickoff given the Packers better field position for their final drive? Probably, but that is no guarantee of anything. Focus on some of the important stories, like the impending suspensions for weak pee-pee.

  46. It’s kind of humorous that Vikings fans think they are the be all, end all of great football teams now after getting this one win. I realize that this one win totally makes your year, but lets face facts here:
    Yes, you outplayed us. You dominated us defensively and in the running game, there’s absolutely no doubt about that. But when it came down to it, you *still* had to rely on a miracle to get the win. If you were really so much better than we were, the score wouldn’t have been anywhere close.
    So go ahead, enjoy the win. Just remember that when you boil it down, it took a miracle for you to get it.

  47. jz0717 says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
    bakler5 says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 11:58 am
    Purple Reign I can assure you that you and a select few of Vikings fans are the only people in this universe that believe the better team won this game. The Vikings deserved to win and it really makes no difference what calls were made, but believe me the Vikings are NOT, I repeat, NOT the better team. Take off your purple shades and truly put that statement into perspective.
    RIGHT BECAUSE THE PACKERS HAVE LOST 5 of the last 7. They are far superior!
    ————————–
    OK so now we are going to make it a numbers game? The Vikings lost to the Colts by three, The Packers beat them by 20, the Pack beat the Vikes by 5, Vikes only beat Pack by 1, Vikes lost to Titans by 13, Pack only lost by 3. Pack beat Lions by 23, Vikes only by 2. I am sure I could go on and on with this…

  48. There was something similar that should have been a flag during the eagles and i think giants where the RB ran back onto the field sans helmet to grab the football as a souvenier of his TD after the review upheld a TD call but ran back off without the ball…but how was that not a penalty!?

  49. If you’ll notice, he was NOT ON THE FIELD when he took off his helmet. Clearly standing out of bounds on the white paint, so isn’t he allowed to remove his helmet?

  50. Showtime Hayden says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
    all of this will be a moot point in 5 weeks when the Queens are sitting at 6-8, chilly is on his way out and gus frerotte is in a Just For Men commercial. The Packers will still win the NFC North, regardless of the outcome of this game.
    Once again, the Paqueers have lost of 5 of the last 7. Sure they are right on track to take the NFCN crown. Delusional cheeseheads.

  51. No matter what anyone says, the Vikings still get a win and the Packers get a loss.
    You could blame anything. Rodgers on the 3rd down play before the missed FG, threw the ball to Driver and had Jennings on a curl route that might have netted a first down.
    http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=highlights&gameId=2008110905&week=10&seasonFilter=2008&seasonType=REG
    Watch the “2-Minute Drill: Packers vs Vikes” @ 47 seconds. He could have waited for the play to develop and thrown to Jennings for a first down. So why isn’t anyone blaming Rodgers?
    There is no point to my post besides the exercise in futility that everyone else is showing too. Anything could have happened, and yes, the Packers got hosed on a few big calls. However, there’s no way to say that the Packers would have won.
    A win is a win in the NFL. There are no rankings to worry about.

  52. Am I the only one that noticed Peterson’s face and helmet planted into the ground. Someone should ask him, but I think he took it off because the helmet was pushed forward and causing some pain. I’d have done the same thing, and have before.
    BTW, Emmit isn’t here anymore get rid of the rule.

  53. Here’s what I think is really going on…It’s all about Brett Favre..I know everyone’s thinking, he doesn’t play for the Pack anymore, why should it be about him? Well, the media is divided into 2 camps.. Favre lovers and Favre haters..Florio is probably a hater..Now if the media watches something like, Aaron Rodgers turn a NFC championship game participantinto a non playoff team, and Favre turn the Jets from like a 4-12 team into a playoff team, that doesn’t sit well with the folks that think McCarthy and Thompson are geniuses that got rid of an old washed up QB and replaced him with a rising star. So if the Pack loses to ,say, a mediocre team like the Vikings it must be the officiating, because it couldn’t possibly be that McCarthy and Thompson were idiots to get rid of their HOF QB.

  54. Bakler5…we can debate semantics All Day…but what does it get us? Idle chit chat on a site that promotes rumor-mongoring over actually getting the story correct.
    Let’s just see what happens after week 17 shall we?

  55. jz0717 says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
    Showtime Hayden says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
    all of this will be a moot point in 5 weeks when the Queens are sitting at 6-8, chilly is on his way out and gus frerotte is in a Just For Men commercial. The Packers will still win the NFC North, regardless of the outcome of this game.
    Once again, the Paqueers have lost of 5 of the last 7. Sure they are right on track to take the NFCN crown. Delusional cheeseheads.
    ——————————————————————-
    thats exactly my point JZ, the packers are a good team, they have lost 5 of their last 7, yet they sit 1 game back in the standings, and have the co-division leaders at home this week. Now if the Pack had won 4 of their last 6 lets say, and were still 1 game back, I would be worried. But we are just heating up, the Packers always have been and always will be a second half of the year team. NFCN is ours, put it down.

  56. Purple Reign I am just bored at work and have nothing better to do then argue on the best site on the internet.

  57. As a completely uninterest Browns fan I can say that is was so p!ssed when I saw this play because he clearly takes his helmet off and walks around for a while without a penalty. Every Browns fan remembers the end of the game 5 years ago where they flagged Dwayne Rudd for taking his helmet off and it DIRECTLY cost us the game. I have rarely, if ever, seen this call made since.

  58. First off I’m a Vikings fan and clearly Peterson should
    have been flagged. But I have a question, did Emmitt Smith
    ever get flagged for the rule he helped create? I don’t
    think he ever did.

  59. “If Minnesota had kicked off from their own 15 while leading the game by one point with more than two minutes to play, chances are that game-winning field goal attempt would have been launched closer than 52 yards from the goal post.”
    If Donald Driver doesn’t get a lucky 20 yard catch, the pass could have been intercepted. Chances are, the kneel down after that turnover still would have ended the game.

  60. EvPimp have you seen the video ??? yeah he gets knocked by a player on his on team but when he`s on the ground he pulls it off his head himself.

  61. Relax, take a deep breath and come back to reality folks. The pack isn’t going to do squat with their lousy D and O lines. Schemes and coaching can’t make up for lack of talent, age and injuries. If they continue to play that lousy the Pack doesn’t have a chance (you’ve got to play the Bears twice yet). I’m a Vikes fan but not stupid enough to think that my team will succeed with its limits at QB, special teams and the threat of the Williams boys being suspended. If Orton gets and stays healthy, the Bears have the best shot.
    However, no matter what happens the rest of the year, the Vikes still kicked the cheesers’ asses in what likely will be the last game of the year between the two teams. I don’t know what has been more entertaining: watching the Viking lines dominate the Pack all day in a win, watching the cheeseheads sulk out of the dome Sunday, or reading the whines/excuses of 90% of the Pack posters on PFT.

  62. Some of you ppl. kill me. The massive amount of speculation…what if’s and only if’s make me want to puke.
    The referees are HUMAN and thus are NOT PERFECT. If you want a game called perfectly, then call GOD. But, be prepared he has a lot more on his plate than an NFL game.
    Packer fans face it…your boys lost the game…now you know how the Viking fans feel when the go into Lambeau and are told to bend over and grab their ankles.
    No one can say that if this call had been made, it would have meant that the Packers would have won this game. Once again that is GOD’s territory.
    Get over it…besides you need to worry about Chicago this weekend, don’t you?

  63. Packers got a 1 yard break by not having the penalty called. Instead of starting at their own 40, (due to Mn most certainly kicking the ball out of bounds, they started at their 41. End of story. Florio humiliates himself again.

  64. Mikesmissingbrain, if the vikings kicked the ball out of bounds from their own 15, the ball would be placed at the Vikings 45. I don’t think you know what you are talking about.

  65. Try again, genius. Kickoff out of bounds is spotted thirty yards from the origination of the kick. For a kickoff from the 30, it’s at the receiving team’s 40. For a kickoff from the 15, it’s at the kicking team’s 45.

  66. “Here’s what I think is really going on…It’s all about Brett Favre..I know everyone’s thinking, he doesn’t play for the Pack anymore, why should it be about him? Well, the media is divided into 2 camps.. Favre lovers and Favre haters..Florio is probably a hater..Now if the media watches something like, Aaron Rodgers turn a NFC championship game participantinto a non playoff team, and Favre turn the Jets from like a 4-12 team into a playoff team, that doesn’t sit well with the folks that think McCarthy and Thompson are geniuses that got rid of an old washed up QB and replaced him with a rising star. So if the Pack loses to ,say, a mediocre team like the Vikings it must be the officiating, because it couldn’t possibly be that McCarthy and Thompson were idiots to get rid of their HOF QB.”
    ———————————————————————
    Rodgers isn’t the problem in Green Bay. In fact, he’s having a better year than Brett “Pick Six” Favre. TT made the right move. The packers over-achieved last year. Anybody with a lick of sense knows it. Remember when last season started nobody even gave them a chance at the division much less get to the NFCCG. Their performance was a shocker for everyone……and Brett Favre was kept on a tight leesh by McCarthy. The defense played great last year and it was a team effort. The loss of Favre has less than zero to do with what’s happening with the Packers. Favre has gotten way too much credit for most of his career and he’s the most over-rated HOFer in existence. Hell, last week the TV retards were giving favre credit for INT’s the guys on the Jets DEFENSE were getting…..talking about how Favre “elevates everyone around him”. Yeah whatever. Homers.

  67. snore. i do believe there are better topics to get excited about than this. It would have been more of an issue if a penalty was called and ultimately affected the outcome. We don’t need more official’s calls affecting games on plays where no advantage was gained.

  68. Take the win of the Vikings record. Adrian Peterson took off his helment so the Vikings should have lost. That was the play (or non-play) that was the sole reason the Packers lost.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    I seem to remember plenty of games in GB where the Vikes took it up the poop shoot. More specifically, when the true Lord Farve was running a 2 minute drill at the end of a game with no timeouts. They were a little over a yard short of the first but called for a measurement so the clock would stop. On comes the FG unit in kicks the field goal to win when the clock should have ran out. It wasn’t even close enough to warrant checking the spot.
    Florio, we could rounds about calls like this all day. The more rules for the No Fun League, the more we need to start to assess the integrity of the game.

  69. The problem is the cheeseheads are used to getting all the calls and can’t stand it when one doesn’t go their way.
    We got hosed in Chicago on a horrible pass interference call on 4th down that gave the Bears another set of downs. Every team faces bad calls just that the Packer fans can’t stand them not going their way once!!! The roughing the passer call on Jared Allen was crap! He took one step and even let up on Rodgers. He was well within the rules to destroy him but didn’t and still got flagged.
    BOTTOM LINE NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU PACKER FANS WHINE OR FLORIO CONTINUES TO TRY AND STIR STUFF ABOUT THE VIKINGS THE BOTTOM LINE IS
    CHICAGO 5-4
    MINNESOTA 5-4
    GREEN BAY 4-5
    I know you Packers fans are we only lost to this team by X and you lost by whatever IT DOESN’T matter if if is 1 or 50 an L counts as an L ethier way. Get over it, move on or you will be crying next week about how Forte ran over your sorry defense!!!!

  70. If Packer fans need to vent call the Mike McCarthy show and ask why challenge the last touchdown? It was a horrible decision! I would be more mad about that because that is something that the Packers can control!

  71. Mactator says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    “Just shows that the Queens need all the help they can get to actually get a win!!!”
    Yeah, it’s called Chillyball!

  72. if the AD had been flagged and IF the Vikings had to kick off from the 15 and IF IF IF…………
    If If’s and But’s were candy’s and nuts then we’d all have a Merry Christmas!
    Get over it already! Hey Florio, since you’re so stuck on the Packers supposedly getting hosed by the refs, why not bring up the 15 or so calls that have gone against the Vikings this year in various games. Or lets talk about the game several yrs ago when the NFL game out and said they blew 9 calls in the 4th QTR alone during a Packer’s come from behind win!!

  73. man my mask hit the ground and popped my lid lose. thats all. did get started on pointing all the bad calls out. this website doesn’t have a server big enough for all the complaints to be listed. by the way, my neck does still hurt from having that cat drag me down by the back of my pads. where was the tissue for that?

  74. I’d love to say this would have mattered in the outcome, but I doubt it did. The bottom line is the Vikings outplayed the Packers, and that is that. The better team won that day .. can’t cry about it after the fact.

  75. Wait….so you mean that the officials would have to penalize the “The Chosen One” Peterson? This simply cannot be!
    I agree and this is just another damn double standard that the overpaid and underqualified officials have created. I have seen this going on all year. How many people have celebrated by going to the ground and not getting a penalty like TO, and now AP doesn’t get flagged while Vernon Davis does just one day later??
    If you don’t kiss the NFL’s ass or say things to push people’s buttons your games will be called unfairly. It is bullshit! The atheletes that cause controversy are usually the ones that fill the seats, but they effed on these poor calls.
    Just like they say…”If you are going to get to the top, be prepared to kiss a lot of the bottom”

  76. This is rich
    He’s now admitting that the refs screwed up the helmet non-call with Peterson which means they probably screwed up at least 3 times that I saw (him taking his helmet off during the game).
    That’s 45 penalty yards and who knows what else, but whatever. It’s just Packers fans bitching about the refs, LMAO.
    This is one of the most tainted games ever. Enjoy it Vikings because karma is a funny thing and you will get yours at some point with these jokers (refs) calling games.

  77. Once again Florio doesn’t take into account the good return that the packers had. If the Vikings kick off from their own 15 and cover it well, who is to say that the packers don’t end up with worse field position then their own 41. Stop making up hypothetical situations Florio!

  78. You aren’t very bright if you don’t think the Packers wouldn’t have had better field position on that final drive with a +15 yard penalty in their favor.
    As Florio pointed out even if they kick it out of bounds they get it at the 45. Chances are Blackmon also returns it much further with an additional 15 yards to work with because you know Longwell can’t kick it all that deep to begin with.
    Water under the bridge, but the more the league and the officials review this game the more they will find out it was nothing short of a farce. Next thing you know they will come out and say Al Harris shouldn’t have been called for the penalty where Bobby Wade initiated the contact and tried to run him over- DUH
    Tainted win, Vikes, tainted win.

  79. >>kenviro says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    snore. i do believe there are better topics to get excited about than this. It would have been more of an issue if a penalty was called and ultimately affected the outcome. We don’t need more official’s calls affecting games on plays where no advantage was gained.<<
    Well, the inverse is also true. It can be argued that the lack of the penalty call did in fact affect the outcome of the game. Problem is because none of them were called, no one can know for sure what would have happened. We can only speculate.
    Anyway, it’s Wednesday already. Three days of bitching is enough and what’s done is done. It’s time to start focusing on the upcoming matchups.

  80. jarhead_jed
    Please tell me you are not a Packer fan. If you are, then I will report your comment…(report as inappropriate). Of all NFL fans, the Packers have the least to complain about when it comes to the Chosen One.
    See Lord Favre.

  81. Let’s say the penalty is called and the Vikings kick from the 15. Any play that occured after that would be different. No one knows.
    What about the suddenly boneheaded McCarthy challenging the touchdown? If he wins the challenge, the Vikings get to take more time off the clock. (I was pissed that they scored too soon – I was hoping he would win the challenge.) Losing the challenge cost him a timeout, and then he still runs the ball.
    THAT is what cost the Packers on the final drive.

  82. I don’t see how anyone, even those with purple colored glasses could say his helmet came off when he hit the ground. After hitting the ground, he gets up, with helmet on, un-snaps the chin strap. His teammate slaps him on the back to congratulate him, and he drops to the ground on his own power (not from his teammate’s pat), grabs his helmet with both hands and pulls it off, then he bows his head and holds his right hand up making a fist. I’m surprised no one has picked up on this.
    It seems pretty clear to me that he was making the same statement that Ocho Cinco wanted to make about unity.

  83. What I find laughable is if the situation was reveresed the most of the Queen’s fans would have gone INSANE by now.
    Believe me, I get to listen to them everyday on KFAN – with the f’ing worst play-by-play guy in the NFL, Paul “I’m a total D-Bag” Allen and the rest of those jokers.

  84. if the officials are gonna call a “safety” on rodgers for intentional grounding then they should have called the helmet removal on peterson. damn the Vickqueens finally beat the packers and its not even a legit victory!! GO Pack!!

  85. I’m a Packer fan, but would point out that the helmet removal probably wouldn’t have happened on the TD if it had gotten called properly earlier when he was arguing with the refs after he fumbled. The Packer players should take some blame for that one, as they easily could have pointed that occurance out to the ref. It’s hard to say whether that call would have effected anything, as the Packers drove fairly well after that play but had the drive killed on what appeared to be a BS holding call.
    I think the Rodger’s play could have been called grounding easily, but like PFT suspect that the refs avoided that call due to a TE possibly being in the area. They don’t have replay, so they may have thought the ball was closer than it was. Plus the ball was thrown at a guy who was looking for the ball. Compare that to the times (like Warner on MNF) where a guy is under duress and throws the ball 6 yards behind a guy who isn’t even looking the right direction and it doesn’t get flagged.
    Other than that all the BS calls have been covered, except for the Sidney Rice push-off on the play prior to his TD. Then again I don’t expect that to be called as OPI never seems to be called correctly unless it is a pick play.
    The Vikes have got screwed in past matchups. I remember the onsides recovery a few years back where the Vikes cleary recovered in plain site and it should have ended the game. Ben Steele made his only play ever, when he somehow stole the ball and allowed the Packers to get a game winning FG.

  86. Maybe next time the Packers should have their players study the game plan a little more instead of spending time on the NFL network spouting off about how to beat the Vikings. Furthermore, if the Packers defense wouldn’t part like the Red Sea every time Peterson touched the ball they might have been good enough to overcome a call or two that didn’t go their way!
    Get off your knees Packer nation you are begging!

  87. 1) Apparently the league director of officiating is saying it was okay for Peterson to remove his helmet and yell at the officials after his 4th down fumble because there was an official timeout for change of possesion.
    2) It was not okay to remove it after the touchdown because it was part of a celebration display and there is no official time out after a touchdown.
    Careful with some of those stats!!
    There is a lack of offense when your defense and special teams keep scoring because then the scoring team has to kick off.
    The returns on Gus Frerotte’s three picks either scored or shortened the field considerably. It wasn’t the Offense’s fault special teams scored on a return.
    The defense’s reward for success is to stay on the field.

  88. Ok, #1 the packers have no right to bitch about blown calls, they have about 20 years of blown calls that went their way to use first, before they can bitch. (See the 10 blown calls in the 4th quarter alone game)
    #2 Adrian was on all fours when he pulled the helmet, not sure what game marko is watching
    http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/806564/APpic.jpg
    #3, he was never in the field of play with his helmet off, he was on the sidelines the entire time, so if you want to get picky, he is within the rules.
    #4 If the vikes would have a real qb, they will this game by 28

  89. But apparently it is okay to take the helmet off of an opponent, as long as you have a good reason, like attempted eye removal.

  90. Perhaps I have delusions of grandeur, but Did I start all this???
    I had heard nothing about this anywhere until I made the comment in post on Sunday. Then the Packer fans jumped on it. An article about on this site (twice). Now the head of officiating is talking about it!
    This made my year.

  91. Here’s the facts, the Packers played their worst game of the season, the refs screwed them several times, and they still almost beat the pitiful Vikings. Dream on Viking fans if you think you have any shot at not finishing 3rd in the division.

  92. Seems to me the vikes completely dominated the game, and if it weren’t for the horse$hit game Gus had, you wouldn’t even have been in the game.

  93. this must be a karmic pay-back season for the vikes. they must finally be getting the benefit-of-the-doubt-plus-about-4-calls-per-game for all of the “bad calls” that they have suffered over the years.
    i dont think that any other team has benefitted more this season from blown calls than the vikes have. i can only think of one bad call that went against the vikes( a TD early in the season, that wasn’t a TD). but i can count at least three games that they have won, where there were some critical game changing calls that they benefitted from.
    smoke and mirrors baby!

  94. I believe he removed his helmet three times during the game. Not just once. Oh well. The good news for Packers fans is this guy ( Peterson ) is a me first cry baby playing a team sport! He’s a ticking time bomb and will become a distraction for the Vikes organization mark my words. Typical diva. Typical queen. Same as it ever was in the land of the Purple People Cheaters!
    Can’t help but wonder how Aaron Kampmans neck is doing after all the blatant face mask tackles he endured. Oh and by the way, none of those were called either!

  95. Wow, you really are an idiot. Peterson is one of the most down to earth, competitive guys in the league. he is about as far from a “diva” as there is. Obviously you weren’t watching when he took over the game at the end after fumbling on 4th down. He is harder on himself than anyone else.
    Plus, again, fudge fans have no right complaining about cheating or bad calls, or anything like that. They have had more games handed to them over the years than all other teams combined.

  96. I looked to me as well like Peterson’s face mask hit the ground. I think this official is fixated too much on the “letter of the law” rather than the purpose behind it. When officials start nit-picking to this point, they are doing way too much.

  97. “tsbrewers says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
    Wow, you really are an idiot. Peterson is one of the most down to earth, competitive guys in the league. he is about as far from a “diva” as there is. Obviously you weren’t watching when he took over the game at the end after fumbling on 4th down. He is harder on himself than anyone else.
    Plus, again, fudge fans have no right complaining about cheating or bad calls, or anything like that. They have had more games handed to them over the years than all other teams combined.”
    I’ll bookmark the page.

  98. “peppsfan says:
    November 12th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
    Gforce is eating too much cheese. ”
    That may be, but tell me ,who was Adrian thinking of when he flashed that million dollar tear? Without his helmet? Was it the Team? The fans? Perhaps he’s a personal friend of yours and he did it just for you? While all of these seem unreasonable to me and I assume to any reasonable person, I am quite content leaving you in your happy little purple bubble.

  99. This was the 2nd time AP took off his helmet, ckeck out the 4 and 1 play with about 8 minutes left in the game. Stood around the officials with his helmet off arguing the call. Terrible referring!

  100. I saw the replay several times and it looke to me that Peterson might have been off the field of play when he removed his helment. If he ws, would that still have been a penalty? Just wondering.

  101. Peterson was not off the field on that final play. He was kneeling down in the endzone after the TD before the official review and/or the TV timeout. As for the “his teammate knocked off his helmet” that is the most ridiculous bullsh!t I’ve heard since Brett Favre demanding to be traded to the Vikings and then stating he’s all about the team and he loves the Packers.
    He also took his helmet off at least one other time (4th down play) plus he came onto the field to argue with the refs which should have also been a penalty. Since when is the NFL like the NBA where players can argue with refs??
    Speaking of which, I actually think the NBA is MORE credible because you know those games are fixed- especially in the playoffs. The NFL is all about “integrity” but week after week you see blown calls again and again.
    As for Minnesota, it is ironic because they’ve directly won 3 games this year (New Orleans, Detroit, and GB) where they benefitted from calls in their favor, so I would count your blessings because the more attention this gets the more you know that the door will probably swing the other way. It’s just a matter of time. PS- for the experts that say MN outplayed GB well so did New Orleans and Detroit (outplaying MN) but I guess we won’t talk about that.

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