NO FINE FOR CLARK

Usually, a player makes a big hit in a game, draws no flag, and then later in the week receives a FedEx from the league office advising him of his involuntary contribution to one or more charities of the NFL’s choosing.
For Steelers safety Ryan Clark, his “how many fingers? . . . Tuesday” shot on Pats receiver Wes Welker triggered a penalty.  But there will be no fine.
Per the Boston Herald, NFL V.P. of officiating Mike Pereira says that Clark won’t have to pay for popping Welker.
“A lot of people think it’s a foul to leave your feet,” Pereira said.  “Launching is not a foul.  There is nothing in the rulebook that states that at all.  It’s a misconception people have.
“It is a foul to hit with your helmet against a defenseless receiver.  It is a foul to throw a forearm into the neck or head area of your opponent.  I don’t think either of those things happened.  I’m not a fan of those high hits but if you do it with your shoulder you’re OK.”
(Troy Polamalu says, “Holy crap.”)
Here’s the hit, which for some reason isn’t as much fun to watch now that we know it’s regarded as clean. 

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91 responses to “NO FINE FOR CLARK

  1. Good, I am a Ravens fan but I said from the get go that if Ryan Clark was fined for this it was complete and utter Bull shit. Im glad the league finally got one right.. Good hit Clark.. thats the hit kids dream of.. well unless you are Wes Welker

  2. So, without saying so, it is being said that the penalty should never have been called. Wonder if this will be yet another case of “let’s just sweep this under the rug”??
    There is a huge disproportion of penalties against the Steelers this year, and this has got to be the first time that anything has been done remotely resembling admitting as much.
    Now, maybe, we can start to return back to the non-pussified league that we all grew up watching. Thanks Mike Pereira, your honestly is very welcome.

  3. Wow, that’s amazing. Good to see thay you still can lay the wood sometimes. That was a hell of a hit and it was a clean one, nice.

  4. I guess because it was penalized, it didn’t make the league look bad, so they didn’t need to fine the guy.

  5. Suck on it Pats. The hit was clean all the way. I saw it when it happened and was shocked there was a flag in the first place. (This is coming from someone that doesn’t really like either team)

  6. Still waiting on the fine for Peppers’ hit on Rodgers. Never seen a more blatant example of player intentionally trying to take a QB out. He should’ve been ejected from the game. At least we should see a fine.

  7. The misperception Pereira is talking about is held by the officials. They are the ones that told Clark he was flagged for leaving his feet. See the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Steelers Notes on December 1st where Clark states the official told him he was flagged for leaving his feet.

  8. I’ve been hearing announcers talking about “launching” for years now as cause for a penalty. So all that time the announcers didn’t know the rule, and no one corrected them? I’m in favor of fewer calls on big hits, but the league needs to be consistent.

  9. There’s a difference between unnecessary roughness and illegal hits. I don’t think there’s anything inconsistent about this. It was a big hit, and using that kind of force against a guy subjects you to the ref’s decision. If he decides it’s unnecessary roughness, then you’ll get the penalty. But the fines come from illegal hits: horsecollars, helmet-to-helmet, going low at a QB’s knees, anything remotely hard on a QB, etc.

  10. Where are the Pats whiners now? On Monday saying Clark was dirty player for the “cheap” hit. Now we know, thanks to Pereira, not only was the hit clean and legit but that Clark shouldn’t have even been flagged on the play!
    Anyone from Monday saying it was dirty and shouldn’t be a part of the game…go watch golf. That is football. That’s how you play whistle to whistle.
    Awesome, awesome hit. I could watch that video over and over and over and over….oh wait, I am.

  11. Yep, to all those who tried (and failed) arguing with me on the “Wicked Hit” thread…………IN YOUR FACE. Suck on that one Steelers haters. More to come for the poor unfortunate souls who dare cross the middle and “let up” before the play is over.

  12. That’s some system the NFL has.So if the play was clean,why a penalty flag? Don’t the officials know the rules?(from what I’ve seen this year,apparently not)It’s time for the league to take a hard look at it’s itself when it comes to officiating,meting out fines and suspensions, it’s policy on anabolic steroids and other related substances, the appeal process and it’s confidentiality and it’s biggest problem;it’s hypocrisy.They market the league with big hits and fine the players for those same hits,they suspend players for taking a supplement that THEY KNEW WAS TAINTED and they players had absolutely no way of knowing.I hope the players get their injuction and continue to play giving Commisar Goodell the finger.

  13. To all fans who called Clark dirty, and how he should be fined…guess not huh? Get over it, the league doesn’t protect the Steelers anymore than anyone else. A case can easily be made for the opposite, watch how many times Ben gets hit late, and high without a flag, let alone a fine.

  14. Very inconsistent but very much the right call. If he had made that same hit back in October he likely would have been fined $10K.
    Good to see the league back off on these stupid fines. Now if we could just get the refs to keep those flags off the ground…

  15. He was flagged for unnecessary roughness, and the hit fit that description according to the rulebook. However, the unnecessary roughness penalty doesn’t automatically come with a fine. That’s the key.

  16. GigantoGillicus says:
    December 3rd, 2008 at 10:49 am
    Still waiting on the fine for Peppers’ hit on Rodgers. Never seen a more blatant example of player intentionally trying to take a QB out. He should’ve been ejected from the game. At least we should see a fine.
    ———————-
    I’m a Packer fan and I couldn’t disagree with this more.
    1) Peppers’ hit on Rodgers was a sideline hit. Rodgers had taken possibly one step in the white before getting hit by Peppers. He was very close to being on the field of play.
    2) When the QB leaves the pocket, as Rodgers did on that play, he is no longer a passer. As such, he’s a runner and there’s not supposed to be any distinction in how he’s tackled as opposed to a RB. The league is still going to try to protect QBs, but there’s no rule they need to follow about hitting a passer low or any of that stuff.
    3) I think the only reasons it even drew a flag were (a) he’s a QB and (b) there was such an immediate forceful reaction from the crowd. If that game was played in Carolina instead of GB, I doubt that they throw the flag.
    Football’s a rough game and when a QB leaves the pocket he can really expect to be hit hard. Rodgers knows that.

  17. WOW. I’m shocked. I am GLAD that there was no fine, because that was a GREAT Football Hit. There was nothing illegal or cheap about it. Viscious? Hell Yes.
    The only thing that does bother me, is how INCONSISTENT the NFL is this year on implementing fines. They are ruining the game with this crap.

  18. I admit I was wrong. I have seen other similiar hits that were fined which the explaination was that the defender launched into a defenseless players. I didn’t think launching itself was illegal, but the fact that the player was defenseless where he had his arms down because he felt the play was over was what made it illegal. I guess it wasn’t in this case.

  19. techstar25,
    The hit DID NOT fit the description of unnecessary roughness, at least according to NFL V.P. of officiating Mike Pereira.
    Read the following again…
    “A lot of people think it’s a foul to leave your feet,” Pereira said. “Launching is not a foul. There is nothing in the rulebook that states that at all. It’s a misconception people have.
    “It is a foul to hit with your helmet against a defenseless receiver. It is a foul to throw a forearm into the neck or head area of your opponent. I don’t think either of those things happened. I’m not a fan of those high hits but if you do it with your shoulder you’re OK.”
    NO FINE, BECAUSE THERE SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN A PENALTY ON THE PLAY.

  20. Patriots TE David Thomas got fined $7500 for unnecessary roughness late in the Colts game on November 2nd. The hit was late on a defenseless player. It was almost the same situation as this hit. Just saying there are consistency issues with this.

  21. Good it’s finally time that the NFL stops handing down these bullshit fines. The only this hit could have been better is if Clark would have broke Welkers jaw!!! You know people!!!

  22. Yeah lets talk about how the League officials are Anti-Pittsburgh.. Need I remind you about the Superbowl “Victory” you guys had.. I do believe the seahawks got shafted in that. And Ben’s “Touchdown” yeah.. maybe if they are.. its just Karma.

  23. I am a Pats fan, and I think I can speak for most Pats fans when I say, it was a good clean hit. I’m glad that he didnt get fined. It wasnt helmet to helmet.
    The only thing I dont understand, is the “defenseless receiver” part of the rules. Again, I dont agree with the rule, if you are going for the ball,you should never be “defenseless” (yes there are rare exceptions).

  24. They took the video down already?
    These “Youtube” sites suck. the vids are up there for less than an hour sometimes, like no.

  25. “Patriots TE David Thomas got fined $7500 for unnecessary roughness late in the Colts game on November 2nd. The hit was late on a defenseless player. It was almost the same situation as this hit. Just saying there are consistency issues with this.”
    Even as a Pats fan, I won’t argue it is similiar. Thomas hit the player several seconds after the play was over and the whistle was blown. Clark’s hit may have been late after the play was over, but not nearly as blatant as Thomas’.

  26. Blah, Blah, Blah, Superbowl, Blah, Blah, Blah refs helped Pittsburgh. Funny this is coming from a Ravens fan. Strangely enough Seahawk fans have gotten over it, why can’t you? Besides Raven’s fans are always quick to point out past Suberbowl wins for Pitt don’t count because they are history. That happened almost 3 years ago, and we are talking present. Either keep up, or keep out.

  27. I do love all of the morons on these pages. As a Pats fan, every story that comes up, that has anything to do with the Pats, all of the haters come out, and start with their typical responses, such as “The Pats are classless”, and Patriots fans are arrogant jerks”, or “Pats fans have no class”.
    How can someone make those types of statements, then at the same time, make statements wishing injuries on players. If I had a dollar for everytime I saw a comment that praised Bernard Pollard for destroying Brady’s knee, or the comments wishing Welker broke his leg, or jaw etc. It is pathetic. There are lots of players I hate in the NFL, and lots of teams I hate in the NFL, but, like most Pats fans, we dont wish injuries or misfortune on other players or franchises. It’s pretty sad actually. I suppose, if you cant beat them, hope to hurt them? Is that the new rule of competition?
    Side note: With less than 6 minutes to play, and the game in hand, shouldnt Pittsburgh have just kicked a gield goal, rather than scoring that last TD? I personally dont have a problem with it, but Steelers fans have been pretty outspoken about NE scoring too many points (IE NE v Mia). The fans of lots of teams were outraged that NE scored a TD late, where is the outrage now? Is this another case of fans talking out of both sides of their mouth

  28. I guess the league missed the fact that the hit happened after the ball had hit the ground? Welker let up because the play was clearly over, which is why he got jacked up. Refs got the call right.
    The league’s all over the map. This doesn’t draw a fine for a hit well after the ball was gone, yet last year Justin Smith gets fined for sacking the QB too hard when he still has the ball? WTF?

  29. [FlorioHatesMyTeamMoreThanHeHatesYourTeamWaahhh said: I am a Pats fan, and I think I can speak for most Pats fans when I say, it was a good clean hit. I’m glad that he didnt get fined. It wasnt helmet to helmet.]
    Glad to hear it.
    Actually, if you go back a couple days and look at some of the comments, there were many Pats (and other) fans who not only disagreed, but went to far as to accuse Steelers fans of being ridiculous in even trying to argue that the play didn’t deserve a fine.
    Now that it’s all over, I’m glad Clark didn’t get fined, and I’m glad Welker wasn’t hurt.

  30. Pereira is right, I had a misconception that there was a rule that prohibited a player from launching himself into a defenseless receiver. My misconception was based on this:
    Rule 12, Section 2, Article 8:
    There shall be no unnecessary roughness. This shall include, but not be limited to:
    (e) Unnecessary running, diving into, cutting, or throwing the body against or into a player who (i) is out of the play, or (ii) should not have reasonably anticipated contact by an opponent, before or after the ball is dead.
    And this, a story that ran in the LA Times regarding this very subject:
    According to referee Terry McAulay, if [a player] leaves his feet to make the same type of play [ie, a tackle on a defenseless receiver] during the regular season, he will pick up a 15-yard personal foul penalty because the NFL has done a better job of defining what is an illegal hit and what’s not.
    “It doesn’t even have to be a helmet-to-helmet hit,” said McAulay at the Chargers’ training camp at the Home Depot Center in Carson.
    “Launching with a shoulder would be a foul too. The key is, you can’t launch at anyone that is defenseless, usually meaning receivers and quarterbacks. When you jump in the air and launch yourself into a hit, that’s a foul.”
    http://articles.latimes.com/2003/aug/03/sports/sp-nflrules3

  31. Wow! I thought was clean, but borderline cheap shot. Interesting that the NFL did not issue a fine. I wonder (or hope) if he will deliver a similar legal hit to Terrell Owens this Sunday. His presence has to be in the heads of the WRs that play against the Steelers. I will certainly tune in to find out.

  32. “Yeah lets talk about how the League officials are Anti-Pittsburgh.. Need I remind you about the Superbowl “Victory” you guys had.. I do believe the seahawks got shafted in that. And Ben’s “Touchdown” yeah.. maybe if they are.. its just Karma.”
    ———————————————————————-
    Feel free to head over to Stillers-forums.com to discuss that nonsense. I just got done pimpsmacking a rival fan there with a complete play by play breakdown of Super Bowl XL using video evidence and still images of the Ben TD run.
    The only bad call of that game was the low block call on Hasselbeck…..which occured AFTER he threw a crucial INT. Either way, Pittsburgh ball. Goal line still images clearly show the ball across the plane on Ben’s run. And even if he hadn’t gotten in, we had another down to take a shot. Sorry, Seahawks aren’t stopping the Bus or a QB sneak from that “distance”.
    The OPI call was legit and upheld because it’s more than clear Chris Hope was pushed back and had to compensate. Look at his feet during the pushoff, that’s why the call was made…..and upheld by the league.
    The holding calls? Some say they were “ticky tack”. Using that terminology is a double edge sword. It insinuates that there may have or many not have been holding.
    If there was any karma it was paid in full on the non-call during Garrard’s game-breaking scramble at the end of last year’s playoff game that eliminated us……the same non-call the NFL copped to the next day.
    The refs didn’t cause Jerramy Stevens to drop all those balls. The refs didn’t cause the Seahawk’s kicker to miss a FG. The refs didn’t cause the Seahawk’s defense to give up the longest run play in Super Bowl history. The refs didn’t cause the Seahawks defense to get burned on the Randle El/Ward trick play for a TD. The refs didn’t cause Hasselbeck to throw a game-killing INT in the redzone.
    And even if you give Jackson the TD from the OPI call and the kicker makes that FG……Seahawks still lose by 1. Suck on that.

  33. Florio, you sound so disappointed that Clark wasn’t fined. Try to hide your distaste for the Steelers and love of the Ravens just a little bit better.

  34. “There is a huge disproportion of penalties against the Steelers this year”
    Not that huge. 76 penalties on the Steelers, 70 penalties on their opponents.

  35. The NFL is totally contradicting itself here.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1882220
    “Lynch drew the fine for a hard blow just below Hall’s face mask as Hall sprawled out to catch a ball over the middle. The hit came after it was fairly clear the ball couldn’t be caught, though it’s hard to know if Lynch could have pulled up to avoid contact in time.
    He said officials told him he was penalized not for a helmet-to-helmet hit — something the league has cracked down on severely over the past few seasons — but for taking a shot at a defenseless receiver.”

  36. I agree with the flag for the unnecessary roughness, and agree with no fine because even though it was unnecessary, it was still a legal hit. I do love how all these people who have been banging on the refs and the refs association and Goodell this season now applaud him. I guess the biggest complainers were stealer fans. One goes for your team, great job. One goes against, off with his head.

  37. I’m also amused by the fact that, if that exact same hit, was Rodney Harrison crushing Santonio Holmes, instead of Clark crushing Welker, all of you Steelers fans would be outraged, because it was a “dirty hit” by a “dirty player”

  38. As a fan of the NFL, WTF??? How come the officials don’t know the rules? Boston sports radio was saying that the NFL guy said that he was glad it was flagged but that it shouldn’t have been. The NFL is quickly becoming a very sketchy organization from where I am sitting.

  39. yeah, take that you little cheatin’ bitches.
    the biggest problem with all this is the absolutely horrible inconsistancy with ALL nfl officiating. horrible. just horrible.
    .

  40. If Mike Pereira says it was clean, then it was clean and I was wrong. MrMagoo is still a douchebag, that I am 100% confident about.

  41. it’s not against the rules to launch of the ground, but it is against the rules to hit/tackle/closeline/etc a guy who never even touched the football. this is BS. so much for safety first.

  42. cmelton says:
    December 3rd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
    If Mike Pereira says it was clean, then it was clean and I was wrong. MrMagoo is still a douchebag, that I am 100% confident about.
    _______________________
    Thank you princess. You brought a smile to an otherwise dreary day.

  43. “cmelton says:
    December 3rd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
    If Mike Pereira says it was clean, then it was clean and I was wrong. MrMagoo is still a douchebag, that I am 100% confident about. “

  44. That was a hit on a defenseless Wide Reciever who had no chance of catching that ball. I don’t really care about fines on players, I think they’re overrated, Pats got the penalty where they should’ve, on the field.

  45. God, I can only imagine what you idiots would be saying if Vince Wilfork was responsible for a hit like this….

  46. God, I can only imagine how much more respect Vince Wilfork would get from fans if he was responsible for a hit like this…
    Instead, he flops to the turf like a beached orca and throws an elbow or two at somebody’s knee.

  47. Rarely does someone get such a clear cut validation of their position in an online forum debate/argument as what just happened today.
    The NFL has made it clear – not dirty – legal…
    Half of Patriot Nation (ie. ex-giant fans) applied their knowledge of football and whined for a red card.
    The other half came on here and quoted the rule book, their interpertation of the rule book and labeled a good, solid player and a great hit as dirty …
    Only to be shot down just days later by the NFL themselves. HAHAHA!
    Perrira should be flagged and fined for unnecessary roughness – piling on the defensless position patriots fans took.

  48. @kayC – When Wilfork “flopped around like a beached orca”, JP Losman still had the ball. What’s Clark’s excuse? Why not hit the head linesman because he was 20 feet away from the ball?

  49. This is weird. Most Steeler fans I’ve talked to thought it was an illegal hit. I sure did, and I’m a Steeler fan. I thought it was a penalty to hit a “defenseless” WR that late after the play even if it did not involve helmet-to-helmet, “launching,” head shot, etc. The NFL really needs to clear this up with the officials because they’ve been getting a lot of calls wrong then.

  50. FlorioHatesMyTeamMoreThanHeHatesYourTeamWaahhh says:
    December 3rd, 2008 at 12:26 pm
    I’m also amused by the fact that, if that exact same hit, was Rodney Harrison crushing Santonio Holmes, instead of Clark crushing Welker, all of you Steelers fans would be outraged, because it was a “dirty hit” by a “dirty player”
    ___________________________________________-
    That ground has been walked. Santonio got crushed vs. the Bengals and I believe the general consensus was that he’d run one slant too many. I don’t dislike Welker, but the article had it right… he’s the one that stopped playing while the ball was still in play. I’m glad he’s okay and I’d bet he won’t do it again but this was a bad call and I’m glad the league did the right thing. Wanting something to be true doesn’t make it true.

  51. I think the league is completely right here… The his was excessive and unnecessarily rough, hence the flag; but there was nothing “illegal” about it. If all of you really love this game as much as you say you do, than you should want to see the players leave it on two feet, not on wheels.

  52. [kellyb9 said: God, I can only imagine what you idiots would be saying if Vince Wilfork was responsible for a hit like this….]
    I see, so now that you’ve been proven wrong about the fine, it’s time to launch into hypothetical situations that can’t be proven either way?
    I assume that you’re implying that Steelers fans, and all other fans would have been outraged had it been Wilfork, correct? And that everyone would have been crybabying about it, correct?
    Neither you, nor the collective body of Patriot fans that post here have no room to argue about crybabying after the display you guys put on the other day about this very topic. The topic is still on the site, you can go read through all 5 pages of comments again if you like. If you do, I’m imagining that it might look EXACTLY how it would have been had Wilfork laid the hit. Just change the names around and you’ve got it.

  53. “20 feet”? Exaggerate much? Try about 5 feet, with another Patriots reciever (#88) also within about 5 feet of the ball. You DO realize that it was all of about one second between the tip and the hit right? Of course not, you’re a Patriots fan. Hate to break it to you, but defenders don’t have the time to sit around headhunting. They have assignments to worry about and the play moves too quickly to take time to scout players to hit. Any defensive player will tell you the opportunity to lay that kind of a hit on a player in the NFL is almost once in a career. Clark was in the right place at the right time. Welker was in the right place at the wrong time. And it’s his own fault for letting up on the play before it was whistled dead. I guess it never occured to him that #88 might catch the tipped ball and that he might have to actually block for him huh?

  54. “Why not hit the head linesman because he was 20 feet away from the ball? ”
    You must be referring to the hit put on one of the officials (I don’t know which) by the Pats player in chase of Timmons during his 89 yd return. I don’t think it is in the “official” clip posted on the highlights, but I saw it as well. Did you think it was intentional?

  55. whats awesome is the attention that this hit garnered accross the nfl.. advantage – steelers defense. Disadvantage – opposing WR’s.
    Oh, anyone notice who the least penalized team is this year?

  56. so Wes Welker gets blasted and gets up and Gus”i do the weekly fake flop and look like i got knocked out”FreRotte,gets bumped in the back and fakes he is knocked out cold ,but yet comes right back to play…one word for you Gus …”PUSSY”

  57. Wes Welker is a total warrior compared to Gus Ferflop. He’s a warrior anyway, but comparing him to Gus is insulting. I have nothing against Welker at all, he can play on my team anyday and I’m glad he’s okay.

  58. BTW, the more I watch it and think about it (the less I get done at work), I guess many people here (myself included, sometimes) confuse dirty play and aggressive play. There is a difference.
    Welker did seem to quit on the play full knowing that he was traveling over the middle of the field. Glad he’s okay, glad Clark isn’t fined.

  59. Look at that, the NFL pampering those evil Patriots yet again! Shame on them!
    Oh wait, no, they didn’t.
    What’s going on??? I thought Kraft had Goodell in his pocket? What are people going to complain about now?

  60. There’s hope in the nfl for physical play 🙂
    most patriot fans thought it would be a fine because it drew a flag and in my opinion was the most viloent hit I have ever seen since brady got jacked up against seatle.
    Steelers fans are right its welkers fault he let up on the play but he didnt expect nor did any other patriots fan that the steelers would pop him in the mouth even though the ball was clearly going to Aiken not him.
    Now Gus what a total diver . Him and Cindy Crosby would be perfect Bff’s

  61. [DC_Bengals_Fan said: I guess the league missed the fact that the hit happened after the ball had hit the ground?]
    You might want to watch the video again. In the replay just before Ed announced the penalty, you’ll notice the ball is clearly in midair (several feet in the air in fact) when contact is made.

  62. Rob0769 says:
    “Patriots TE David Thomas got fined $7500 for unnecessary roughness late in the Colts game on November 2nd. The hit was late on a defenseless player. It was almost the same situation as this hit. Just saying there are consistency issues with this.”
    Even as a Pats fan, I won’t argue it is similiar. Thomas hit the player several seconds after the play was over and the whistle was blown. Clark’s hit may have been late after the play was over, but not nearly as blatant as Thomas’.
    ————————-
    Thomas’ hit deserved the personal foul because it was a late hit. All late hits deserve that call. You cannot make the argument that Thomas’ hit was vicious though. All he did was PUSH THE GUY. There have been a ton of late hits that didn’t result in fines.
    Here’s the video for those that can’t remember (2:30-2:40):
    http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c2b5ad
    Mathis missed no snaps, unlike Welker, who missed the rest of the game. Welker might miss the next game too, depending on whether the doctors clear him.
    All I’m saying is that based on Thomas’ fine, there is no way that Clark should not be fined. Consistency please.

  63. The hit was dirty. I love comments like “the ball was several feet in the air when contact was made”. No, it wasn’t. It was almost to the turf. “I guess it never occured to him that #88 might catch the tipped ball and that he might have to actually block for him huh?” Yeah, about that… You can’t tackle someone without the ball… Otherwise, every cornerback in the league would just tackle receivers at the line of scrimmage and claim that they thought they were going to be blockers on the play. Thanks for sharing your incredible knowledge of the game though, idiot. Again, the hit was dirty. Clark hit Welker with the intention to hurt him, not just stop him. However you want to define where the ball was, and whatever, if someone goes after someone else to purposely hurt them, it’s dirty. You can’t argue that. “Well, Wilfork is a dirty player” Then get some justice on Wilfork. Who is going to rationalize that Welker is a dirty player? Anyone? Anyone? Then why are you condoning someone purposely trying to hurt the guy? Did he beat up your mom? Get your sister pregnant? What? There are plenty of punks in the league, Wes isn’t one of them. I’d love to see Clark get his head torn off, but I wouldn’t want to see the same happen to Polamalu. The difference is one is a punk, and the other is a great player, who doesn’t take intentional cheap shots at other players.

  64. [Bendak said: I love comments like “the ball was several feet in the air when contact was made”. No, it wasn’t. It was almost to the turf.]
    Since you’re obviously not willing to actually watch the video and come to a reasonable conclusion, I went ahead and made a screenshot for you:
    http://i36.tinypic.com/dp9t34.png
    The quality is terrible since it’s from a video, but you can still clearly make things out. Do you see that object near the upper-left of the 8 on the back of Welker’s jersey? That’s the ball. I grabbed this right after the impact, as is clear by Welker’s feet.
    The ball was several feet in the air at the time of impact.

  65. Bendak says:
    December 3rd, 2008 at 3:52 pm
    The hit was dirty. I love comments like “the ball was several feet in the air when contact was made”. No, it wasn’t. It was almost to the turf. “I guess it never occured to him that #88 might catch the tipped ball and that he might have to actually block for him huh?” Yeah, about that… You can’t tackle someone without the ball… Otherwise, every cornerback in the league would just tackle receivers at the line of scrimmage and claim that they thought they were going to be blockers on the play. Thanks for sharing your incredible knowledge of the game though, idiot. Again, the hit was dirty. Clark hit Welker with the intention to hurt him, not just stop him. However you want to define where the ball was, and whatever, if someone goes after someone else to purposely hurt them, it’s dirty. You can’t argue that. “Well, Wilfork is a dirty player” Then get some justice on Wilfork. Who is going to rationalize that Welker is a dirty player? Anyone? Anyone? Then why are you condoning someone purposely trying to hurt the guy? Did he beat up your mom? Get your sister pregnant? What? There are plenty of punks in the league, Wes isn’t one of them. I’d love to see Clark get his head torn off, but I wouldn’t want to see the same happen to Polamalu. The difference is one is a punk, and the other is a great player, who doesn’t take intentional cheap shots at other players.
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    Here in reality, most of us know that when the ball is tipped you can indeed tackle the reciever before the ball hits the ground and the whistle is blown. Some of us even know that it’s not only encouraged but taught. It’s nice to know Wes’ mom posts on PFT though and what her screen name is.

  66. partner55416386 says:
    Look at that, the NFL pampering those evil Patriots yet again! Shame on them!
    Oh wait, no, they didn’t.
    What’s going on??? I thought Kraft had Goodell in his pocket? What are people going to complain about now?
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    Actually, if you think about it, the NFL came out and said hey, that was a legal hit – no fine and yet the refs threw a flag so ya, they were pampering the Patriots. A fine would have no bearing on the Patriots where the flag certainly did.
    Oh, since you brought it up, The league is pampering the Patriots – again – that’s why they are the least penalized team in the NFL.

  67. ~~~I’d love to see Clark get his head torn off, but I wouldn’t want to see the same happen to Polamalu. The difference is one is a punk, and the other is a great player, who doesn’t take intentional cheap shots at other players.~~~
    First time I’ve ever heard anyone refer to Ryan Clark as a “punk”
    What’s your sources on that? Perhaps you have him mixed up with Anthony Smith?

  68. OK – I will watch the NFL for another week – until someone gets flagged for finishing a tackle on a quarterback

  69. This is what makes me mad.
    wes welker gets layed out gets bACK up and is on the field 3 plays later but you call him a bitch and you diss him. There is not a damn thing to like about one of the best slot recievers in the league.he works his ass off every play everyone hates on him and what did he say “Thats a good hit”. he didnt bitch and whine like chad johnson or any other pre madona would have done. Dont deny it you would love to have him on your team
    You attack patriot fans from defending there player and you bitch and call them cheaters. They got caught but what would you do if your team was caught video taping signals. and you call pats fans classless
    besides hobbs having a seizure everytime he makes a single play(wich he hardly does anymore). Patriots fans dont go to games wavin a pee stained surrender flag(steelers) or beat up opposing fans(eagles). but i geus patriot fans are class less because there team is un doubtfully better than yours except the giants LMAO

  70. jerseyguy says:
    December 3rd, 2008 at 9:09 pm
    This is what makes me mad.
    wes welker gets layed out gets bACK up and is on the field 3 plays later but you call him a bitch and you diss him. There is not a damn thing to like about one of the best slot recievers in the league.he works his ass off every play everyone hates on him and what did he say “Thats a good hit”. he didnt bitch and whine like chad johnson or any other pre madona would have done. Dont deny it you would love to have him on your team
    You attack patriot fans from defending there player and you bitch and call them cheaters. They got caught but what would you do if your team was caught video taping signals. and you call pats fans classless
    besides hobbs having a seizure everytime he makes a single play(wich he hardly does anymore). Patriots fans dont go to games wavin a pee stained surrender flag(steelers) or beat up opposing fans(eagles). but i geus patriot fans are class less because there team is un doubtfully better than yours except the giants LMAO
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    Are you posting drunk? There’s a difference between saying someone made a mistake and dissing them. Who called him a bitch? I don’t believe any Steeler fans have a problem with Welker, he’s a Steeler kind of guy. Posting a novella accusing Ryan Clark of being dirty when you don’t have a clue about the rules equates to caveat emptor. Who’s calling anyone classless? Hell, I was called a douchebag by one of their gentleman scholars for having the audacity to be correct about this not being a dirty play. Of course that might be a Raven’s fan, in which case it was for breathing. It’s football and the internet, neither is a place for the easily butt hurt.

  71. It was a legal cheap shot. The Patriots should have told Ben Watson to take out Clark. At least then, Watson could do something.

  72. Seeing how Bendak has already been pimpsmacked like the little bitch he is by my Stillers brethren I don’t have a need to retort. To Bendak I will say this…..look me up at either Stillers-forums.com or Steerfury.com and i’ll be more than happy to tear you a new one. Bring it chump. I go by the same name at both locations. Bitch.

  73. The hit was clean and a good hit. If this happened to harrison or wayne Polian would make sure the rule changed.

  74. Typical Squeelers hit….legal, but unnecessary and all it does is puff up the reputation of a team of cheap shot artists. Can’t wait to watch the City of Smog and Dirt get run over this weekend.

  75. Flying elvis says:
    December 4th, 2008 at 12:09 am
    It was a legal cheap shot. The Patriots should have told Ben Watson to take out Clark. At least then, Watson could do something.
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    I’m calling BS on this…1st of all Ben Watson STILL can’t do anything and 2nd THIS IS FREAKING football! I bet you stand and cheer every time Rodney Harrison brutally and legally laid someone out when the opportunity arose.
    The message is clear and concise from most safeties around the league…come over the middle, and you are going to be hit, and hit HARD. I bet Wes Welker thinks twice next time that ball comes his way over the middle…
    I am a fan of the game and that hit FIRES ME UP!!! BoooYaaahhhh!!!

  76. No, I bet Wes Welker will think twice the next time the ball DOESN’T come his way over the middle.

  77. Late but clean–Steeler Haters quit your whining. No problem with the flag no fine…no 6 figure fine. If you play the Steelers there is no sleeping on the field’

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