PACKERS DUMP REST OF DEFENSIVE COACHING STAFF, EXCEPT MOSS

A day after firing defensive coordinator Bob Sanders and three days after special teams coordinator Mike Stock “retired,” the Packers reportedly have scuttled the rest of their defensive coaching staff.
Per NFP, all defensive assistants except assistant head coach/linebackers coach Winston Moss have been fired.
Gone, then, are defensive ends coach Carl Hairston, defensive tackles coach Robert Nunn, secondary coach Kurt Schottenheimer, cornerbacks/nickel package coach Lionel Washington, and quality control assistant Joe Whitt, Jr.
It also has been rumored that offensive line coach James Campen could be in trouble.
The moves are somewhat stunning, given the team’s 13-3 record from 2007.  But someone has to be held accountable for the collapse in 2008, and since coach Mike McCarthy and G.M. Ted Thompson don’t seem to be in trouble for their handling of the Brett Favre fiasco and the dark cloud it cast over the season, someone(s) else had to take the fall. 

38 responses to “PACKERS DUMP REST OF DEFENSIVE COACHING STAFF, EXCEPT MOSS

  1. I hope both bozo’s coach Mike McCarthy and G.M. Ted Thompson start the season on the hot seat. Will see.

  2. That’s a pretty severe housecleaning. I assume Moss will be handed the DC job. I’m not sure what he’s done that makes him so safe, except for the fact he seems to be highly regarded elsewhere.
    I also assume there’s a cost to putting in a new defensive coaching staff and the learning curve of that for coaches and players.

  3. thompson and mccarthy are the ones that should be fired. mangini is fired after drastically improving a 4-12 season yet thompson and mccarthy are untouched after this year’s dismal showing??? not one word from any of the talking heads (florio) about this?? noone is holding thompson accountable? or mccarthy?
    thompson even has the balls to state that he will not change his ways. meaning he will continue to “build” through the draft and will not be looking for free agents to fill the needed spots on the team. i keep asking, when do you stop “building” and instead try and “win” a superbowl???
    the day thompson and mccarthy are gone cannot come soon enough.

  4. oh no!! looks like they are lining Moss up to be the new D coord. If MM is that stupid, then he’ll get what he deserves when he’s fired after next year, but at least he’ll have earned it.

  5. favre took a 4-12 team to 9-7. Rodgers took a 13-3 team to 6-10. Nice move. Start typing favre haters. But you know with favre they would have done a lot better than 6-10. They would have won their division.

  6. By the 2nd quarter of the Vikings game in the home-opener, the only people who decided that there was a “dark cloud” over the team was the media.
    With Favre, that’s an 8-8 team, and McCarthy and Thompson STILL would have been criticized for letting Favre back.

  7. As bad as the defense was, MM was the reason this team didn’t make the playoffs, he has to be accountable for 5 of losses this season.

  8. McCarthy and Thompson absolutely should not be in trouble for their ‘handling’ of the Favre fiasco. In fact, there’s really nothing they did wrong throughout that stupid-assed drama, all created by the Ultimate Drama Queen. They handled it with class and aplomb, didn’t flip out publicly, didn’t trash Favre even though they could’ve easily ruined his reputation and legacy, didn’t run to some softball-tossing ‘journalist’ like Greta and never wavered.
    This ‘dark cloud’ assertion is also complete BS. If it cast such a pall, explain how GB started 2-0. GB’s season was submarined by bad OL play and coaching, bad DL play and defensive injuries, bad defensive coaching and bad ST’s coaching. Thompson also went into the season way too thin on the DL, and he deserves heat for that.
    Fav-ruh had nothing to do with GB’s lousy season. Rodgers clearly outperformed him, and now that clown is the Jets’ problem.

  9. Yeah, MM/TT were the decorum of how to do things. They hired Ari Fliesher, didn’t they? Yup, they were the best. And oh, instead of getting more team help, let’s send 20M as a bribe to get Favre to stay retired. That’s a class move. Better yet, let’s hedge our decision by trading Favre late to a team so he can’t learn a new playbook or practice a lot. That’s also a class move. And hey, let’s fire coaches on the defense side of the ball; after all, even thought last year they were all great, this year they weren’t. That’s a great way to show loyalty. And while we are at it, let’s make sure everyone knows that the problem is not on the offensive side. After all, there were so many good stats put up, except the WIN stat.
    But you ARE right on one thing. Favre had nothing to do with GB’s bad season. That’s all on MM/TT, and they SHOULD be in trouble.

  10. traghipp, get real. Bill Cowher posted two 6-10 seasons after having winning records the year before. I bet the Steelers wish they’d fired him, right? Changing coaches everytime they don’t do as well as expected leaves you like the Oakland Raiders.
    Creeper you nailed it.

  11. If the Packers were going to promote Winston Moss to DC, they wouldn’t have fired all of his cohorts. Moss is being allowed to maintain his current job until he can find another one (hopefully HC or DC for the Rams).
    Firing the whole staff means they’re going to bring in an entirely new scheme. My guess is they’ll either get Haslett and his staff from the Rams, or go with one of the Philly-defense-experienced folks. Make no mistake, TT and MM were watching the Eagles-Vikings game, and remember the NFC Championship game against the Giants (whose DC came from Philly)… just like the Packers went after the Denver D (when it was “en vogue” in 1999/2000, by hiring Ed Donatell), so will they go after the Jim Johnson/Philly D…

  12. How is it possible people are still debating the handling of Favre? Come on guys, root for the team we have, not the team we should have been.
    As far as the Packers being better with Favre this year, it wouldn’t have happened, unless Favre was taking snaps at DE or gunner on special teams. That’s where the problems were.
    Is Rodgers the second coming of Montana? Absolutely not. But he’s better than any other QB in the NFC North. The Packers had to make a choice – scuttle the vet and get solid at QB, or wind up like the Bears and bring in a new QB every year for a decade. They went with the safe choice. For those fans who can’t accept the choice, please accept that this where the team is now and stop calling for the head of MM or TT. Take the blinders off an acknowledge the other problems with this team. This move helps address some of that.

  13. “favre took a 4-12 team to 9-7. Rodgers took a 13-3 team to 6-10. Nice move. Start typing favre haters. But you know with favre they would have done a lot better than 6-10. They would have won their division”
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    Typical Favre Homer logic. I guess you weren’t paying attention to all that free agent cash they spent in New York this last off-season huh? They added a ton of bodies to the team for 2008. Stop trying to give favre all the credit. It’s debatable how much he helped the Jets in 2008, it’s NOT debatable that he singelhandedly destroyed their season with his INT’s.
    As for the Packers, the defensive staff is getting cleaned out because the defense was the reason they didn’t have a winning season. Go look at how many close games they lost and how many leads that defense gave up in the 4th quarter.
    Aaron Rodgers had a better year than Brat Favre did. That’s a FACT.

  14. The “Favre fiasco’ was Favre’s alone. Thompson has made other mistakes (see drafting of AJ Hawk, Justin Harrell, etc.) but the plan to continue with Rogers will pay off. It was never about 2008 – it was about the future. Favre was the chump, not Thompson/McCarthy.
    All the best for Favre, but now Jets fans know what Packers fans learned last year.

  15. Get ready for a decade of terrible football. At least you will have the Lions to keep you out of the cellar

  16. MM and TT will be held accountable for their performance. This is just the usual process of things. The coordinators get canned first. If they have another meandering season like this, I’m betting one or both will find themselves out of a job, too.

  17. you know, in some circles Green Bay fans have this reputation as being knowledgable football fans. I have no idea why this is the case, with their sheepish loyalty to Lord fav-rah and endlesstly trashing McCarthy and Thompson.
    fans of 31 other teams realize that Rodgers was not the problem this year and that the situation was handled as best they could do. GB would have had an even WORSE record with Lord Meglomaniac than they did this season, and you’d be dragged through the annual will he-won’t he saga through June, Rodgers hitting Free Agency, and a longer rebuilding process ahead. At least you’ve got a base to build on with Rodgers.
    Packer fans- you’ve been exposed as frauds.

  18. Favre was more at fault for the summer drama than TT or MM. Coaches stayed professional, fv threw tantrums on tv. Watch both QB’s play this year and you can see it was the right choice… especially after one of them retired for 4 months
    7 games in 2008 lost by less than 4 pts. 2007 Packers won those close games. The difference was the defense especially in the 4th quarter. Under Sanders and crew we’ve seen vets get confused with the scheme at times and the defense as a whole lacked the intimidating meanness needed to win championships. Never had that under bob.

  19. @westclaims
    “favre took a 4-12 team to 9-7. Rodgers took a 13-3 team to 6-10. Nice move. Start typing favre haters. But you know with favre they would have done a lot better than 6-10. They would have won their division.”
    Ummm, I’m not a Favre hater, but didn’t Favre take a 10-6 team to 4-12 before taking it to only 8-8?
    There are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics.
    Continuing not to be a Favre hater, he seemed to collapse at the same time as the GB D. That combination could have very well led to Detroit getting that one ‘W’.
    The 2008 season was about playing a difficult schedule, a first year starting QB, and defensive injuries. Next season, the injured players will be healthy (I’m talkin’ to you Harrell), the 3rd place schedule will be easier, and the first year starter will have a full season under his belt.
    2009 will be a good year for GB Fans.

  20. Get ready for a decade of terrible football. At least you will have the Lions to keep you out of the cellar
    HornyVikesFan,
    You guys should have ignored the extension to sell tickets and gone with the Blackout. Everyone but you Queens fans knew Philly was gonna beat Tjack and the rest of the team into the ground.

  21. Wow.
    Not, “Wow”, as in: “Wow, I can’t believe they fired all those people.”
    I mean, “Wow”, as in: “Wow, I can’t believe people are using this as an excuse to continue their pointless (and odious (thanks, Tiki)) Favre debate.
    Who cares? Really? If you’re a Packers fan, then get behind Rodgers. If you’re a Favre fan, follow him wherever he goes next.
    Just get over it already. Sheesh.
    Back on topic: I hadn’t expected a clean sweep of the defensive staff. It sounds like Moss will be the next DC, else why would they have kept him? But I sincerely hope not. What other area of the defense underachieved like the linebackers did? There’s a lot of talent there, and we still can’t blitz. Still can’t stop the run. Still can’t cover a TE. What the hell has Winston Moss done to deserve a promotion?

  22. axjeepman
    I will take watching 17 games a season over 16 anytime. Philly is playing on borrowed time and a team like that is dangerous. The Westbrook play was a dagger but without that it was a pretty close game. I think we can move forward with a new Quarterback and have no doubts we will repeat as NFC north champs. Credit to Philly and their defense. T-jack isn’t the first player to be pressured by Johnson’s schemes and to be honest with you played better than Romo in Week 17

  23. hayward giablommi
    Easy don’t confuse the outspoken Favrian Nation as true Packer fans. Been a Pack fan since the 70’s and the decision to let Lord Favre go was a smart football decision from the start.
    back on topic I’m not sure Moss is the next DC. Might be MM’s way of helping him get that job down in St Lou. LB position had alot of nagging injuries but it didn’t seem like any of them could blitz except chill so I say let Moss head south and get one of the young guys from either Philly or the Gints see what they can do to get us an attack style of D and fire up some of these players.

  24. Wow are westclaims packerswin and simon says right how dare MM and TT take Bretteney for his word they should of known he was lying.How dare they keep Rodgers over Bretteney he only threw 6 more TD and 9 less interceptions and ran for more touchdowns in a season than Bretteney ever did. That’s besides the point Rodgers can’t make 2 game winning FG’s what a loser his tackling on defense is awlful,play calling sucks he uses to much starch and the players complain of the scrarchiness of their uniforms,and his announcing of the games on the radio is flawed (he also built the worst NFL team ever in Detroit)You morons!! As for HornyVikesFan great game yesterday I’m sure the Vikes will remain one of the NFL’s elite I can’t wait to come to Mpls and see all the Lombardi Trophy’s (guess I won’t have to spend the night or even stop my vehicle)

  25. This is awesome. Thompson is sending a message that this year was unacceptable. He can hire his new guys, and if the defense fails again next year, he and McCarthy will be gone. Thompson is clearly accountable for the team next year, and I think that will lead to good things.

  26. He and McCarthy deserve a lot of praise for making the decision they did on Favre. Did they handle it well?? Heck no. But it was clearly the right decision. Not that they have washed their hands of Favre, they can concentrate on installing the new defense this off-season, rather than be caught up in the yearly “will he/won’t he” soap opera.

  27. HornyVikesFan: You crack me up. At least we had a terrible year and have alot of positive changes coming. You guys making the play-offs was the worst thing that could have happened for you. Childress will now keep his job, and despite the fact that your pathetic QB single-handidly lost the Philly game for you, you won’t make any changes there. Future looks WAY better for Green Bay.

  28. “you know, in some circles Green Bay fans have this reputation as being knowledgable football fans. I have no idea why this is the case, with their sheepish loyalty to Lord fav-rah and endlesstly trashing McCarthy and Thompson.
    fans of 31 other teams realize that Rodgers was not the problem this year and that the situation was handled as best they could do. GB would have had an even WORSE record with Lord Meglomaniac than they did this season, and you’d be dragged through the annual will he-won’t he saga through June, Rodgers hitting Free Agency, and a longer rebuilding process ahead. At least you’ve got a base to build on with Rodgers.”
    Packer fans- you’ve been exposed as frauds.”
    You are right on!! The only thing you are off on is that real PACKER fans do support the team and are glad we moved on. Its the people that think Favre is the be-all end-all that ruin it, and unfortunately, there are more Favre fans posting online than actual Packer fans.

  29. “you know, in some circles Green Bay fans have this reputation as being knowledgable football fans. I have no idea why this is the case, with their sheepish loyalty to Lord fav-rah and endlesstly trashing McCarthy and Thompson.
    fans of 31 other teams realize that Rodgers was not the problem this year and that the situation was handled as best they could do. GB would have had an even WORSE record with Lord Meglomaniac than they did this season, and you’d be dragged through the annual will he-won’t he saga through June, Rodgers hitting Free Agency, and a longer rebuilding process ahead. At least you’ve got a base to build on with Rodgers.
    Packer fans- you’ve been exposed as frauds”
    ————————————————————-
    I don’t think that’s accurate at all. I’m no Packers fan, but the majority of Packers fans i’ve seen all over the net are glad to be rid of him and his bullshit. Mark it down, if they end up retiring his jersey in the near future he will be bood at Lambeau Field. Of course, some of the Homers will cheer him but the majority of Packers fans got sick of his act a while ago. This last offseason was one of the final nails in the coffin and then when it came out he was trying to help the Lions gameplan against the Packers it was the final nail. Favre’s legacy and reuptaion in Green Bay are pretty much destroyed.

  30. Of course the Vikings fans have all the answers. Can’t they enjoy their loss to the Eagles and leave the rest of us alone?

  31. jaxjeepman says:
    Easy don’t confuse the outspoken Favrian Nation as true Packer fans. Been a Pack fan since the 70’s and the decision to let Lord Favre go was a smart football decision from the start.
    ————————————————————
    Fair enough. I would think “Favrian nation” as you call it would have seen the light after his meltdown the last 5 games. If not now then they never will. unreal

  32. Wow, so now somebody else will be expected to turn chicken s*** into chicken salad in Green Bay.
    The front seven of that defense consists of Aaron Kampman and six human blocking sleds, Justin Harrell has been nursing a strained uterus since before the Packers drafted him, A.J. Hawk is a bust who couldn’t lift Chad Greenway’s jock strap, let alone carry it, Nick Barnett is as overrated as it gets, and nobody else in that front seven even merits a mention.
    At least Minnesota has one of the league’s best defenses to build around. Green Bay has nothing. I’m more worried about the Bears in ’09 than I am about the Packers. WAY more worried.

  33. 30PTBUCK, I said nothing about a Lombardi, although I would like to sometime soon. I do think they will win the NFC north again, especially if they change quarterbacks

  34. I see Gonz is back at work in his mother’s basement. GB’s talent wasn’t as good as 13-3 a year ago and not as bad as 6-10 this year. They will rebound and be solid at QB for years to come.
    As for your Vikings, the best news is that winning the division insured Col Klink will be back for another couple of years. There is nobody (outside Ziggy) who thinks that guy is even an average coach. As for QB, yesterday’s game only proved what we’ve been saying all year. T Jackoff is a joke and the longer you stick with him, the better it is for the rest of the NFL. But I do have to give credit where credit is due. I used to think all the Viking fans were idiots (and Gonz is Exhibit A) but with the poor ticket sales for the playoff game, maybe they do recognize a shitty football team after all. good luck in 2009 with Chilly and T Jackoff, you’re going to need it.

  35. “I’m more worried about the Bears in ‘09 than I am about the Packers. WAY more worried.”
    I’d be more worried about staying out of the Lion’s spot in the cellar as long as Chilly is “coaching” and Jackson is “QB-ing” for you guys.

  36. Once again ACDC, once again I am glad you are so optimistic after a 6-10 season the year after you lost your one real claim to fame in the last 20 years. You lost your mojo and are preparing worse probably the worst period in Packers history although that might be diffult to accomplish. remember that from 1970 – 1990 your record was 129-178-8. (.420). Pretty impressive
    Get ready

  37. “I’d be more worried about staying out of the Lion’s spot in the cellar as long as Chilly is “coaching” and Jackson is “QB-ing” for you guys.”
    Amazing, isn’t it. . .a team with such awful quarterback play and such a terrible head coach finished four games better than a team with the (alleged) second coming of Unitas calling the signals and the (alleged) second coming of Bill Walsh roaming the sidelines. Man. . .you’d think that team has to have some talent on it somewhere, huh?
    As long as the Packers’ defense continues to suck. . .and don’t worry, it most assuredly will, because their personnel sucks. . .then I’m not worried about Green Bay at all.

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