Dissenting Opinions Emerge On Orakpo Workout

Earlier in the day, NFL.com’s Gil Brandt offered up a glowing review of Brian Orakpo’s Pro Day workout.
But not everyone feels that way.
Per one league source, some scouts viewed the linebacker/defensive end’s workout as “brutal.”
According to the source, Orakpo is regarded by some as having “great athletic abilities but bad football skills.”  It’s prompting some to question whether Orakpo merits even a first-round pick.
If this sounds familiar, it should.  There’s a chance that Orakpo could be the latest in a line of “looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane” players, including past first-rounders like Vernon Gholston and Mike Mamula.  (Then there’s Alabama’s Andre Smith, who as one reader pointed out after Smith’s recent shirtless sprint “plays like Tarzan, looks like Jane.”)
Even Gil Brandt, who is regarded by many as having a bias in favor of Texas football, acknowledges that Orakpo is “one of those guys that appears to play hard 90 percent of the time, but takes a vacation the other 10 percent.”
It’s the kind of attitude that could put a coach or a G.M. on vacation 100 percent of the time if they pick Orakpo, and if he doesn’t deliver.

42 responses to “Dissenting Opinions Emerge On Orakpo Workout

  1. “great athletic abilities but bad football skills.”
    Gholston is the poster boy for that quote.

  2. I just hope the Browns play it safe with the fifth pick and take B.J. Raji so he can pair up with Shaun Rogers up front. Then, go ahead and take a LB with one, or both, of the two second round picks.
    It would at least demonstrate Mangini learned how to build a 3-4 defense from Belichick. To remind, Pioli and Belichick built the Pats’ defense around 3 first round picks on the defensive line in Seymour, Warren, and Wilfork.
    Do the right thing Mangina!

  3. No. This freaking guy is a monster. He is not a workout wonder and his motor never stops. I watched every minute of this guy and if anyone resembles D Ware, it is this guy. Whoever gets him is lucky.

  4. Jeez could we put the Mamula thing to bed already.
    The guy was more than just a workout warrior. He had a fine college career, and a decent pro career which was shortened by injuries.

  5. But, like Andre Smith, he WILL be taken in the first round. It only takes one GM to be enamored and think that he has a steal.

  6. Great job propagating knee jerk reactions to “opinions by others.” It’s fun to see you swing from one side to the other with some of your stories Florio. One second he’s ready to break the top 5 now he’s suddenly maybe not even a first round pick.
    Reporting rumors as rumors is fine but quit with the flame fanning already.

  7. “I just hope the Browns play it safe with the fifth pick and take B.J. Raji so he can pair up with Shaun Rogers up front.”
    Browns don’t need another DT in 3-4 scheme they employ.
    Regarding Orakpo, the 90% time is in the game is enough for him to make big time impact in big time games. And he will get drafted high for that.

  8. My Cowboys will be more than happy to take him if everyone else wants to pass. Anyone who doesn’t think this guy is Top-10 talent is just plain stupid and didn’t watch him at all while he was at Texas. Dude DESTROYED Phil Loadholt in the RRS this past season.

  9. Although I think Orakpo is a first round pick, Everitt Brown from Florida St. looks to be the best pass rusher. Brown has quite a few moves to get past the linemen and moves better in the “trash”. (Same with Larry English.) Orakpo seems to just blow by the LT on most of his sacks. Which isn’t all bad. Mabey he will develop more moves in the NFL. I also like Andre Smith as well. I don’t mind if my OT’s are fat. His youtube clips are very impressive against tuff SEC foes. This years bust looks like Stafford to me. Expecally if he gets on the field before 2011. The Aaron Rogers approch will be his best chance. He just looked ok in the SEC, and looked BAD against the top SEC teams. ie Florida, yuck. Brady Quinn looked much more polished and had a better resume and he has yet to make an impact. Buyer beware.

  10. a.smith- plays like tarzan, looks like king louie. how did you not get that one flroio?c’mon!

  11. sports scouts remind me of weathermen and politicians. Wrong half the time but still somehow keep their jobs.

  12. Once again Florio, you come with this vague rumors, like “some scouts feel” and some GM’s say” non sense……
    All these players that are going to be drafted are RISKS….not one of them is a supposed “safe pick”.
    By the way the Fins overpaid for an injury prone Jake Grove.
    Why can’t you tell it like it is?

  13. Wow. I was the one who sent in the “Plays like Tarzan, looks like Jane” comment on Andre Smith. I’m surprised to see it resurface a few weeks later.

  14. 4evrnyt says:
    March 25th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
    Great job propagating knee jerk reactions to “opinions by others.” It’s fun to see you swing from one side to the other with some of your stories Florio. One second he’s ready to break the top 5 now he’s suddenly maybe not even a first round pick.
    Reporting rumors as rumors is fine but quit with the flame fanning alread
    ^^^^^
    Agreed! Florio does this crap all the time!

  15. “Jeez could we put the Mamula thing to bed already.
    The guy was more than just a workout warrior. He had a fine college career, and a decent pro career which was shortened by injuries.”
    Mamula was a workout warrior who rose his stock drastically with his combine numbers. Was he worth the 7th overall? A decent pro career? No. Average. I think Sapp could’ve served the Eagles a little better. Mamula was a HUGE disapointment.

  16. Football is life says:
    March 26th, 2009 at 12:27 am
    Although I think Orakpo is a first round pick, Everitt Brown from Florida St. looks to be the best pass rusher. Brown has quite a few moves to get past the linemen and moves better in the “trash”. (Same with Larry English.) Orakpo seems to just blow by the LT on most of his sacks. Which isn’t all bad. Mabey he will develop more moves in the NFL. I also like Andre Smith as well. I don’t mind if my OT’s are fat. His youtube clips are very impressive against tuff SEC foes. This years bust looks like Stafford to me. Expecally if he gets on the field before 2011. The Aaron Rogers approch will be his best chance. He just looked ok in the SEC, and looked BAD against the top SEC teams. ie Florida, yuck. Brady Quinn looked much more polished and had a better resume and he has yet to make an impact. Buyer beware.
    ^^^^^
    Agreed! OLine guys aren’t supposed to have the bodies of Atlas…..OT’s are supposed be agile fat guys who have long arms and strong legs and have a good kick slide.
    Andre Smith will be either a very good LT or a DOMINANT RT.
    Everette Brown is gonna be beast. Strong, fast, quick, powerful and has multiple pass rush moves and he will only get better. He is always making plays in the backfield.

  17. Yawn, sounds like more posturing from teams who are trying to devalue him to hope he falls
    I wouldn’t be surprised if it was my own team.

  18. Nothing matters – good or bad – but game tape. The combine and individual workouts should only influence a team’s pick if there’s someone else they value equally and want, there’s a trade offered, etc. This up and down b.s. without having played a game is essentially useless. The combine and individual workouts should serve only to determine how serious a player is about his job.

  19. Agreed, this is posturing and misinformation spewed by someone who hopes he slides to their team. A second round pick? Please.
    And by the way, Florio and fans of the J-E-S-T, can we please stop with the “Vernon Gholston is a bust” talk? Dude’s been in the league ONE freakin year.
    Just because he can bench press more with one hand than most of you can bench with two arms and your girlfriend spotting and didn’t have 20+ sacks last year doesn’t make him a “Jane” or a bust. He will be dominant in Rex Ryan’s defense.

  20. DKnight007 says:
    March 26th, 2009 at 1:05 am
    4evrnyt says:
    March 25th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
    Great job propagating knee jerk reactions to “opinions by others.” It’s fun to see you swing from one side to the other with some of your stories Florio. One second he’s ready to break the top 5 now he’s suddenly maybe not even a first round pick.
    Reporting rumors as rumors is fine but quit with the flame fanning alread
    ^^^^^
    Agreed! Florio does this crap all the time!
    And yet YOU ALL continue to fall for and complain about it!!! Brilliant Florio! Keep driving that traffic up!

  21. Before you guys go boasting about lil Everett Brown, realize this, he’s short and will likely be an OLB in the pros plus FSU has probably the worst track record of putting good DEs into the pros. Other than Greg Spires, there hasn’t been a decent FSU DE in eons.
    Florio, don’t you think it is possible that a scout or team exec would leak bad information about a guy to hope it affects public and league opinion of him so he will free fall? It happens every year. The way you spot a Mike Mamula is when he physical ability doesn’t match up to his production, Orakpo was very productive during his tenure and unlike Gholston, Orakpo actually made other tackles than sacks. Gholston had only 37 tackles in his last year in college, over half of them were sacks or behind the line, if that doesn’t scream “BAD MOTOR” and “INCONSISTENT PRODUCTION” then nothing does.

  22. Based on the Senior Bowl and workouts, I’m starting to think that Clay Matthews Jr. is the LB/pass rusher in this years draft.

  23. Orakpo couldn’t handle Alex Boone in the Fiesta Bowl. Rumors said he was hurt, but c’mon, Alex Boone?

  24. Brasho. I think Orakpo and Brown will both have more productive careers if they play OLB. Just my oppinion. Wimbley is pretty darn good. He just needs someone to play on the other side so he doesn’t attract so much attention. If the Browns select either of these guys at 5, they could have an intresting combo of OLB. I love McGinest but he was too old to be effective.

  25. Mike Mamula, sacks by year: 5.5, 8.0, 4.0, 8.5, 5.5. As an Iggles fan, I wish he had been more productive, but there are plenty of guys who flamed out much more disastrously. Would the Birds have been better served by picking Sapp? certainly. But Mamula was not the unmitigated failure casual history paints him to be.

  26. Talons – “I think Sapp could’ve served the Eagles a little better” than Mamula.
    lol Um Yeah, just a little

  27. I agree Orakpo is more of a LB than DE.
    Surprised Florio didn’t mention the “looks like Jane AND plays like Jane”, marvelous Bill Parcells First Round Pick ‘Barbie’ Carpenter.

  28. Vernon Gholston was a DE at OSU, not a linebacker. Why does the NFL change so many player’s positions. He is a natureal D lineman, and should be moved back. To say he’s a bust after only one season is ridicoulous.

  29. Hey Mike,
    How about adding just a little more to these stories about these workouts. Give us a little background on what their statistics were for their last year in college or during college. The author hints that he could be the next bust – where is the proof, how many sacks did he have last year or tackles or interceptions.
    Thanks,
    BC

  30. Orakpo couldn’t handle Alex Boone in the Fiesta Bowl. Rumors said he was hurt, but c’mon, Alex Boone?
    ———————————————————————
    One sack, one TFL and 3 QB hurries against a run first team who was playing a guy with pretty good running skills at QB for 1/2 the time (meaning he had to read “run” first well over 1/2 the time)…
    Seems like he handled Boone fairly well.

  31. how many sacks did he (Orakpo) have last year or tackles or interceptions.
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………..
    TKLES g ua a total tfl pd ff fr blk
    2005 13 17 10 27 4 0 1 1 0
    2006 13 18 8 26 6 2 0 0 0
    2007 9 27 10 37 9 2 1 0 0
    2008 12 31 11 42 19 2 4 0 0
    TOTAL 47 93 39 132 38 6 6 1 0
    SACKS g ua a total yards
    2005 13 0 1 0.5 7
    2006 13 4 1 4.5 28
    2007 9 5 1 5.5 49
    2008 12 11 1 11.5 100
    TOTAL 47 20 4 22.0 184

  32. Gholston is on the bust fast track, but it’s the Mamula analogy that Florio can’t stop invoking display historical ignorance.
    Mamula was far from a first round prospect going into 1995 combine and wasn’t considered a great nor even productive player at Boston College.
    Gholston, on the other hand, was a beast at OSU and dominated games (see, e.g., 2007 Michigan game). The guy set the single season sack record and was widely considered a top 10 prospect BEFORE the combine……which merely cemented his draft status.
    A more accurate analogy for Mamula would be a guy like Fabian Washington.

  33. @ bizurk – the thing about Mamula is that he was picked #7 overall, primarily based upon his workouts at the combine. With that #7 pick, you’d want your DE to avg more than 6 sicks a year over 5 (based on the numbers you provided). That’s why Mamula gets a load of crap.
    I’m sure the kid down in ATL is hearing it, and they wanted to bash Mario w/the Texans after his 1st year too. Early DE picks are expected to DOMINATE, not put up 6 sicks a year.

  34. Way to be a puppet on a string for which ever team’s scout wanted you to devalue Orakpo for him. Must feel great being a lemming. Did you even engage your critical reasoning skills? Think about it….
    Orakpo won the Nagurski Trophy (nation’s top defensive player), the Lombardi Award (nation’s most outstanding lineman), and the Hendricks Award (nation’s top defensive end), while racking up 11 sacks as a consensus 1st team All American. Yet, he’s a “looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane” guy? Yeah, that makes sense. He was the one guy on Texas’ defense that opposing OCs game planned for. And, he won every award he could possible win, not to mention being a consensus 1st team All American.
    How’s this for a brutal workout?
    BRIAN ORAKPO – TEXAS PRO DAY & NFL COMBINE
    Ht: 6-3 3/8″
    Wt: 262
    40 yd dash: 4.70 sec (#5 LB, #3 DE, #3 DL)
    Broad Jump: 10′ 10″ (#1 LB, #1 DE, #1 DL, #4 overall)
    Short Shuttle: 4.45 sec (#13 LB, # #10 DE, #10 DL)
    3-Cone Drill: 7.26 sec (#12 LB, #9 DE, #9 DL)
    Bench: 31 reps (#1 LB, #1 DE, #7 DL, #15 overall)
    Vertical Jump: 39.5″ (#1 LB, #2 DE, #2 DL, #13 overall)
    So, he has the 4th best broad jump of all players in the draft (at every position), the 13th best vertical jump of all players in the draft, and ranks in the top 5 for DEs & LBs at the 40 yard dash, broad jump, bench press, and vertical jump…….but his workout was brutal? Sure, sure. We believe you! (wink, wink) If that doesn’t smell of a hidden agenda, I don’t know what does.
    The “he plays hard only 90% of the time” comment is so misleading. I don’t care who the player is, no one gives 100% on every play of every game….no one!

  35. wow have you ever even seen him play the guy is as beastly on the field as he is in the gym. And now washington has him.

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