Get Ready For More Misery, Browns Fans

We were intrigued by Peter King’s effort to rank the 32 NFL franchises for the coming season, and it was more than a mild shock to see the Bears at No. 4.
But while we fully expected to see the Lions continue to own the cool earth that resides under the basement floor, we were surprised dig up the concrete and find in that brown stuff . . . the Browns.
King put the Cleveland Browns at No. 32, behind the likes of the Lions and the Rams and the Chiefs and the Raiders.
As King points out, the last time he put them last, they went 10-6. 
So maybe he’s doing them a favor.
Frankly, we tend to agree with King on this one.  In 2006, new Jets coach Eric Mangini found a roster that had been shaped in large part by the Bill Parcells influence on Mike Tannenbaum.  So Mangini’s Parcells/Belichick methods yielded a playoff berth in Mangini’s first season in part because the players were inclined to respond to their new boss.
In Cleveland, many of the incumbent players won’t respond to Mangini, and so the team won’t contend until Mangini brings in enough of the guys who will.
Though Mangini’s trying to import as many of the players who helped get him fired as possible, it likely won’t be enough to turn things around right away.
So now that we’ve echoed King’s proclamation that they’ll be among the NFL’s bottom-feeders for the coming season, the denizens of the Dawg Pound probably would be wise to start researching early February flights to Miami. 

63 responses to “Get Ready For More Misery, Browns Fans

  1. 10 things I think I think Peter King, please move out of Boston before you make everyone hate this place. No one cares about your problems with your free air fare or how you swindle free coffee from hotels and Starbucks or how you didn’t have a hand getting your daughter an internship with the Seahawks. Please just go away you skunk

  2. Yeah, I’m a big fan of starting in the lines and building out, but you trade down, what, 5 times and then take a center? Really? That may prove to be a brilliant move in a few years…but in terms of winning RIGHT NOW, it doesn’t exactly scream “playoffs”. If Mangini takes too long a view in building this team, he may assemble a really great team that some other coach can come in and take to the promised land, after Mangini is fired in 3 years.

  3. Let’s see 8-2 with a healthy Brett Favre and 8-8 with a hurt Brett Favre…Obviously that’s Mangini’s fault…It wasn’t the players that got him fired…It was a player…Look at Favre’s past, he’s a coach killer…I’ll take 8-8 this year…

  4. This time last year he had Atlanta 32nd! (Pittsburgh were ranked 12th and Arizona 21st. The Browns were 9th and the Jags finished 5-11 after being ranked 3rd.)
    IMHO all these pre-season power ratings are pretty much worthless.

  5. This is really poor logic and a misrepresentation of facts.
    When Mangini took over as Jets HC, he took over a team that had been reshaped by Herm Edwards and Terry Bradway, the GM during Edwards tenure as HC. When Mangini took over, it had been 6 full years since Parcells coached the team and five years since he had any involvement in the front office. For five years, drafting and roster management was overseen by Edwards and Bradway. Edwards–as you should be aware–ran a tampa two defense, which requires much different types of front seven defensive players than Mangini’s one-gap 3-4 defense.
    In Cleveland, Mangini takes over a team last coached by Romeo Crennel, who runs basically the same defense as Mangini.
    In other words, the talent should be a better fit for Mangini’s style in Cleveland than it was with the Jets.

  6. The Bears have no wide outs and a suspect defense, ya, it makes sense to rank them #4. The Cowgirls get rid of TO and lose 44-6 with the playoffs on the line with the same coaching staff in place and then didn’t even draft until the 3rd round so it makes sense to put them in the top 10.
    For the Lions or the Raiders to be ranked above anybody much less Cleveland is the cherry on top. This list was submitted just to drive internet traffic, that’s it.

  7. Peter King is not an expert on football. He just has access to the players, but that does not make him an expert at all. If I was Browns fans, I would be celebrating, because Peter “I luv quarterbacks” King has about as much credibility as Chris Mortinsen.

  8. Totally disagree here…
    The roster Mangini inherited in 2006 was miserable, the closet was bare there and in 3 years he left that team MUCH better than when he got there. There weren’t Parcells guys on the 2006 Jets yet…Bradway had run them into the ground. The Browns may have sucked in 2008 but the talent from 1-22 wasn’t miserable…BUT…from 23-53, it was God-awful.
    So what has Mangini done all offseason? Added quality players on that 23-53 end of the roster, building depth wins games. Plus, the power run will be back by adding Mack to the line.
    And who’s to say the guys already here won’t respond to Mangini? If they want to win, they will. The guys who won’t buy in will be in the great minority, of what I’ve been reading is any indication. Guys like Cribbs, Thomas and Quinn are excited for what Mangini’s gonna bring to the Browns. Rogers apparently is back on board with Mangini’s plan.
    So I don’t buy the Browns players are gonna slack off on a guy who’s gonna crack the whip…losing sucks, and I’m positive Mangini’s gonna get this team back on track. I’ve been thoroughly impressed with the guy so far.

  9. Peter King is an idiot. Which is good, given that he put the Pats at the top of his list. Look for them to tank this season, as Tom Brady doesn’t come back fully from his injury and teams go hard after him and finally expose him for the system quarterback that he has always been.

  10. what Cleveland is predicted to suck again this season?!?!? really? realllllllllly?!? I am shocked to read that. bottom feeders describes the browns pretty well, Mud Monkeys is another good one.
    goooo stillers!!!!!

  11. Peter King made these rankings, as all do, for one purpose and one purpose only…. to get people to read them!! Of course, there will be “shockers” and “snubbs” in the rankings. They get attention!!! No one reads a boring article or cares if there’s no shock value to it. These mean about as much as Draft Grades or Strength of Schedule Rankings at this time of year. The only difference between these rankings and the ones I could hammer out on my computer in about 20 minutes is that these were written by a guy who gets paid to write 5 pages every Monday about everything from football to coffee and how wonderful he is living in Boston. He knows no more than anyone else, so take them for what they’re worth…. nada.

  12. What’s this ranking based on? Last year I assume. Curious has to where he ranked the Cardinals this time last year? Trying to rank the teams this early is absolutely crazy, you don’t even know who’s going to make the roster for cryin’ out loud. It’s a gimmick to get ckicks.

  13. It doesn’t matter where Peter King or anybody ranks the Browns. What matters is that the players make good decisions, don’t commit stupid penalities and play hard for all 4 quarters. If all of the above happens and the Browns finish last we will at least be able to stink with pride. That would be a change.

  14. Florio’s New Math nailed it.
    And shouldn’t the only 0-16 team in history have to prove it on the field before they get out of the NFL cellar?

  15. Florio,
    dont worry the browns and their fans are use to taking it on the chin and i am not talking about all this trash talk about them if you know what i mean.

  16. Peter King is just another “insider” who has a love affair with Jay Cutler. Would someone please explain to me how he is a franchise qb and he has not won one thing, you can throw in Tony Romo also.

  17. Peter King molests collies. If I could go to Vegas and bet again his prediction I would do it in a heartbeat.

  18. JimmySmith, its probably good to read the article referenced here and not just the write up Florio does on it. Call the bears D suspect, and then go read the stat’s Peter King throws out. Now, add Lovie Smith as defensive playcaller, and guess where those stats go from there.

  19. I really don’t have a problem when people PK do these types of rankings, because he has a sense of humor about it and admits he’s usually wrong, so the whole thing is taken with a grain of salt.
    It’s people like Mel Kiper I can’t stand who go absolutely ape**** if you dare question one of their draft grades or predictions.

  20. i like how he writes a paragraph on every team and then writes a sentence about the bucs. nobody in the national media wants to acknowledge the bucs exist unless someone gets arrested or if a player can be referred to as a scumbag.

  21. The number of people who care what Peter King thinks EQUALS the number of wins the Browns had last year.
    As for you Florio, how in the hell do YOU know whether or not the Browns players will respond to Mangini?
    Thank you, once again, for making it painfully obvious that you are a Steelers and Pats homer and a Jets and Browns hater.
    I love how Mangini doesn’t deserve ANY credit for his past successes, but deserves ALL the blame for his past failures.

  22. With the status of Favre up in the air, looks like Peter King’s lips have moved on to Cutler’s tool……

  23. King is a tool, but I would love to see the Brownies come in dead last..ahaah…Go Stillers!!

  24. Man, what would this website be without someone making fun of the Browns or Mangini? Is the rest of the AFC North secretly paying your hosting fees? It would make sense if Mike Brown was in it since this site crashes every couple of weeks.
    Fact is, Peter King is making light of his predictions, while Florio and Co. take it as doctrine.
    Sad thing is that a site that once seemed to be built on straight forward factual reoprting has taken a backseat to speculation and gossip.
    Frankly, it’s gotten old and TMZ does it better

  25. Gee, a dead beat lawyer, and a media “god” says it’s so, so it must be so.
    Maybe we should all bow to the collective wisdom of these two individuals.

  26. @daboo
    a stiller can be defined as a champion from a city with the most SB wins in the NFL. all of us yinzers know what a stiller is n’at. so basically that makes you a jagoff. excuse me while i go dahn to peppies for some ice cream with jimmies. but i gotta run the sweeper and red up the room first.

  27. wydok,
    Was it a failed goal line stand that couldn’t get them over the bears in these rankings? Cuz that’s what couldn’t get them over the bears last year.

  28. With idiots like Peter King and attorney-at-law Florio calling the shots…why even bother with this season?
    Florio…have you ever experienced an independent thought of your own?
    Here’s mine: Your Steelers will go down…just like a Pittsburgh prom queen at her family reunion.

  29. Yeah, the same Peter King who predicted Butch Davis would take Cleveland to the SB, the same Peter King who gushed over Danny Wuerfful in Washington and advised taking him early in fantasy drafts, and the same Peter King who predicted Julius Jones would win the rushing title just a couple years ago.
    King should stick to reporting and not prognosticating. Aren’t we due for him to name drop someone big and mention the cell conversation he had with that person?

  30. I’m guessing nobody actually sat and watched the Browns play last year. They were awful and have done nothing to improve this year. They will be lucky to get 4 wins.

  31. Hey IC Light,
    Though I’m not originally from Pittsburgh, I’ve lived here for several years, and while you think your “Pittsburghese” lexicon is cute and endearing, in reality, it makes you sound like an uneducated hillbilly.
    I can’t wait until all you ignorant losers realize that “Yinzers” is NOT a term of affection, but rather a joke at your expense.
    In the words of the great Pittsburgh radio icon Mark Madden, it’s true, oh, it’s damn true.

  32. Looks like King used a dartboard approach to his rankings. At least half of that list makes zero sense at all.
    I do agree that the Browns will likely be at the bottom of the pile because:
    – The AFC-W is in a rebuilding mode at KC and DEN so the Raiders may win a few games.
    – The Lions aren’t as bad as their record. They just need to believe they can win.
    – The Browns will have their spirits stomped to gravy four times next year by the Steelers and Ravens.
    – The Bengals can probably keep enough players out of jail to beat the Browns.
    – Mangini is a waste of oxygen. Cleveland will need the Army Corps of Engineers to clean the mess he’ll leave in his ample wake.

  33. There’s also the factor that the Lions would have beaten the Browns if they played after Dec 1st last year. Let’s not forgot which team failed to score a point for like 15 straight quarters.

  34. The Bears are as likely to be in 3rd place in the NFC North next year as they are to be 4th overall in Kings’ power rankings. Lovie Smith’s play calling and a new D-line coach isn’t going to magically make the defense young or healthy again and play like they did in 2006.

  35. I have seen Favre talked about as being a Coach killer more then once. I am not exactly happy with Favre’s diva attitude these days, but curious were that comes from. Considering how many seasons he has played it makes sense he would have gone through more then one head coach.
    Sherman got fired because he couldn’t draft worth a crap, and he messed up the Packers cap situation. That’s why Wahle/Rivera had to be let go and the Packers then had a 4-12 season.
    Sherman also put too much money into the oline and the defense sucked. Sherman went through 3 different D.C’s in three years. It’s true he lot Favre get away with way too much but that was never Sherman’s main problem as a Coach/GM.

  36. “In Cleveland, many of the incumbent players won’t respond to Mangini…”
    Care to clue us in on your insight to this assumption?

  37. I will read Florio repeating information from anonymous sources any day of the week instead of reading Peter King’s latest cup of coffee from Starbucks. Florio is much more reliable than King and PFT doesn’t have all the douchebaggery you see in Peter King’s columns.
    “Brett Farve – Land Baron. Has kind of a nice ring to it.”

  38. FlorioBorio says:
    May 11th, 2009 at 11:33 am
    Peter King is an idiot. Which is good, given that he put the Pats at the top of his list. Look for them to tank this season, as Tom Brady doesn’t come back fully from his injury and teams go hard after him and finally expose him for the system quarterback that he has always been.
    —————————————————-
    How would Tom Brady’s knee injury hindering him expose him as a system QB??

  39. TheCoop says:
    May 11th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
    Hey IC Light,
    Though I’m not originally from Pittsburgh, I’ve lived here for several years, and while you think your “Pittsburghese” lexicon is cute and endearing, in reality, it makes you sound like an uneducated hillbilly.
    I can’t wait until all you ignorant losers realize that “Yinzers” is NOT a term of affection, but rather a joke at your expense.
    In the words of the great Pittsburgh radio icon Mark Madden, it’s true, oh, it’s damn true.
    ___________________________________
    I lol’ed at the Mark Madden icon thing. LOL’ed hard.
    If by icon you mean ignorant douchebag- then you are spot on.

  40. WTF with the bears. Doesn’t Cutler need someone to throw to? THey’re not even top 10, IMHO which would make Eagles Top 5.

  41. Peter King can eat it. Put Big Ben on the cover of Madden 2009.5, Carson Palmer and his bionic arm can go to hell, and i hope Ray Lewis knifes down Joe Flacco in a shower room brawl. Browns will go .500 this year, and the Steelers win streak is over.
    Philly sewer rat can go hang out in a shower room in Baltmore.

  42. Wow! Such prophetic statements by Mr King and you! Don’t know how Browns fans get any sleep after this. But wait, they’ll probably just let the season play out and see if your’e dart throwing is even close!
    Florio you need to do 2 things
    1. Try printing reasonably accurate information form time to time, you know its called professionalism!
    2. Stop the constant ridicule and negativism of the teams/people yo don’t like.
    I as of today will discontinue reading anything you author.

  43. more evidence that Florio is a closet steelers fan……of course most steelers fans haven’t come out of the closet themselves.

  44. KBall7326 says:
    May 11th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
    I’m guessing nobody actually sat and watched the Browns play last year. They were awful and have done nothing to improve this year. They will be lucky to get 4 wins.
    YA KNOW, I was willing to read this bull and not respond, but then I read this one. THEY have done nothing to improve this year? You’re an idiot!!! Personnel wise, they have been one of the busiest teams in the league. All of the players they got from the Jets are decent players and an up grade over what they let go. They had a good draft as well. So unless you can break your statement down further with solid evidentiary info, we’ll just have to settle for calling you the idiot you are.

  45. I wonder how many football experts really watch football. Most years basically all they do is say the team that was bad last year will be bad the following year and the teams that were good the year prior will still be good. Does it really take an expert to say that? I’m the only one I know who predicted the Cardinals to the Superbowl and that was in part that I’ve predicted them to the superbowl for the past 3 years and this just happend to be the year I was right. I watched the Browns and I watched the Lions last year and there is no logical reason as to why either team shouldn’t be better this year than they were last year. Both teams were plagued by injuries. As for the Browns they destroyed the Giants with maybe 80% of their starters and nearly beat the Colts with probably 10% of their starters. On that fact alone the Browns at 100% should be good for 7 wins on their “easy” schedule next year. I’ll give them 8 because they’ll probably beat Pittsburgh once just on the fact that they no longer have Romeo Crennel’s questionable clock management and play calling that also plagued them last year and lost them the prime time game against Pittsburgh last year that they could have and should have won.

  46. “In Cleveland, many of the incumbent players won’t respond to Mangini”
    -Based on what?
    “Though Mangini’s trying to import as many of the players who helped get him fired as possible,”
    -fabricated
    ” it likely won’t be enough to turn things around right away.”
    -You don’t know that enough to say “likely” replace with “maybe”
    “the denizens of the Dawg Pound probably would be wise to start researching early February flights to Miami.”
    -would be wise? It would be wise for PFT to do some research on “credibility” and “Bias”
    “dig up the concrete and find in that brown stuff . . . the Browns.”
    -keep dogging on Cleveland PFT, we dont respect you either. Youre just
    buncha ill-informed blogger dooshes.

  47. I’ve always found Peter King’s coverage and knowledge of the Browns to be unsatisfactory. And as everyone else has said, power rankings mean squat but to get people excited about the upcoming season. Hell, most the time, “experts” are wrong all the way up through the playoffs.
    Even an admission that my team (the Browns) is not very good does not suggest that I feel they are the worst team in the league. In fact, I feel as though we have improved over this offseason, and I was impressed with our draft.
    Frankly, nobody should ever be rated below the Lions…generally in that conversation should be the Raiders, and the Bengals (everybody’s offseason darlings). How Lewis still has a job is dumbfounding to me. How long could an above average talent squad possibly underachieve to epic levels before changes are made – and the insistence on signing thugs, then scratching your head saying “wha happen?” when they get into trouble shows questionable judgement calls.
    Don’t care where the Browns end up, but it won’t be the league basement, I guarantee that. And where ever they end up, it won’t be because some “guru” says that’s where they belong. I trust that the players and coaches understand they control their fate.

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