Dungy On Vick: "I Believe In Him"

Former Colts and Bucs coach Tony Dungy offered the clearest statement yet regarding his belief that quarterback Mike Vick  should be reinstated to the NFL.
Without actually saying that he believes Vick should be reinstated to the NFL.
I believe in him,” Dungy said on Friday’s edition of The Dan Patrick Show.
The statement came in response to an on-air question from Dan Patrick regarding the advice Dungy would give to Colts owner Jim Irsay, if Irsay were to ask Dungy whether the Colts should sign Vick.
Dungy offered no details regarding his recent prison visit to Vick, saying only that the experience was “similar to what I’ve seen so often” while visiting other prisons.  He categorized Vick as “[a]nother young person with potential who kind of got short-circuited and needs to get back on track.”
That characterization made us a bit uncomfortable, as did Dungy’s use of the term “mistake.”  As we’ve said almost as repeatedly as Vick fought dogs and gambled on dog fights and participated in the killing of dogs deemed unfit to die while fighting, it wasn’t a mistake.  It was a six-year lifestyle.
Dungy also offered some intriguing advice for Vick, who presumably will at some point take the “Get My Money Back” tour to Larry King’s chair and Oprah’s couch.  (She might want to cover it in plastic, given the whole “Ron Mexico” thing.)
“I wouldn’t try to repair my image in the media at all,” Dungy said.  “I don’t know that you’re ever gonna win the public opinion battle by going on shows or doing interviews.”
Dungy feels that way even though he believes “[t]here’s no doubt” that public opinion will be against Vick.
Actually, our sense is that public opinion is beginning to coalesce in Vick’s favor, possibly because we’re collectively intrigued by the possibility of seeing Vick back on the field.  (And, frankly, we’re becoming intrigued by that as well.)
Near the end of the interview, Patrick posed an intriguing question to Dungy:  Should Vick voluntarily sit out the 2009 season?
Dungy said no, without saying no.  (He’s very good at that.)  Initially, Dungy answered by expaining that it’s “[h]ard to say.”  And then he basically gave what came off to us as an easy answer:  Dungy thinks Vick needs to be in an NFL locker room, so that he’ll have that support system.
Setting aside the fact that the support system from an NFL locker room didn’t help him in Atlanta (primarily because the Falcons’ organization consisted largely of Mike Vick sycophants and wheelchair-pushers), we agree with Dungy on that point.  Vick needs to be around peers who are willing and able to hold him accountable for his actions, and to influence him to stay on the right path not for the duration of his federal probation, but permanently.
So, yeah, we eventually think Vick should play again.  But we also think that the question of whether he should be permitted to exit federal custody and enter an NFL training camp without an additional suspension is far more complex than most people realize.

71 responses to “Dungy On Vick: "I Believe In Him"

  1. Cruelty to animals, children, the elderly, anyone or anything that generally can’t defend itslf is reprehensible and should not be forgotten or forgiven.
    Cruelty of this nature are early tells for serial killers. Not that Vick would be a serial killer but he is certainly one who practices the same kind of depravity.

  2. I love wearing my Ron Mexico shirt. With that said, Vick should be allowed to play in 09. He did his time, lost all of his money. The league should get out of the way and let the free agent market take over.

  3. Get over it Florio. Vick has served his sentence for what he’s done and by all accounts he was a model citizen while on the inside. What he did was reprehensible, but a judge and jury decided his fate and he served out his sentence without incident. That should be enough for you and all the other french poodle owners of the country.

  4. its really not that complex, Florio. After he’s released on July 20, on July 21 Godell should just reinstate him. Simple as that.

  5. If I’m not mistaken, he has already missed two full seasons, the equivalent of a 32 game suspension. I wouldn’t be surprised if Goodell sentences him to “time served” which will effectively be 32 games.
    Can you think of a time when a player was banned (from any sport) for TWO YEARS? (excluding a lifetime ban, such as Pete Rose). It’s a pretty severe punishment.

  6. I still don’t understand who the hell cares what Tony Dungy thinks. The guy was an OK coach. That’s it. Not a great coach. Not a superstar coach. An ok coach. He’s a bigot, which is certainly a bad character trait, but whatever. Everybody’s got some baggage…it just really chaps my ass (pun intended) when he tries to come off as some kind of moral authority.
    First of all, this man is not someone who should be charged with shaping young lives, as evidenced by his own life (terrible tragedy, but it would be ridiculous not to mention the obvious). Second, the guy is a hate monger. He works to deprive minority groups of their rights by raising money for hate groups. Third, does he realize that more people have been killed in the name of religion than anything else over the course of history? Religion isn’t a source for good, it’s a source of evil. It was invented to control the masses and to justify mass murder of others simply because they held different beliefs or because “that’s what god would want. He’d want you to go into this village and kill every man, woman and child”.
    Religion, to this day, continues to be a problem in our society. It holds back positive social change and attempts to put restrictions on personal rights. That’s the reason that Republicans are every bit as liberal (if not more so) than the democrats: because they allowed the religious right to take over the party instead of holding true conservative values.
    Back to Tony Dungy. Guy’s a scumbag.

  7. I know a guy who was a reserve OL for the Falcons when Reeves was still the coach. He told me Vick was always super quiet in the locker room and that he never really hung out with any of his teammates. Of course now we know it was because of his activities outside the game but I guess my point is if he was never really part of the locker room culture then why would he be now? Especially when some teammates might feel he was radioactive to their marketing opportunities or the guys who are animal lovers are still sickened by what he did? Of course if he starts helping winning games all that awkwardness will probably disappear.

  8. Goodell would be foolish to let Vick back this fall. Give him the Pacman Test — see if he can stay out of trouble for a year. Yes, Vick will get a second chance, but why now?

  9. Boy, Dungy didn’t show this type of grace and mercy to Belichick when he admitted making a “mistake” when interpreting the video rules. I can see why: knowingly participating in heinous crimes for 6 years is not as bad as videotaping defensive signals.
    Dungy couldn’t be racist, could he? Nah …

  10. Alright Florio….what ‘s your deal w/ Vick. I realize he did a horrible thing and should be punished…but what do you want…he’s served his time & seems to have learned some life lessons. Your comments after every Vick post are kind of getting of line. What would you propose?….That he spend the rest of his life in jail?? So far we’ve heard that he is remoresful and wants to change his life. I’m not sure what else you would have him do?

  11. If he needs others to keep him out of trouble, he still doesn’t get it. It is not his peers’ responsibility to keep him on track, it is his. If he cannot do it himself, no amount of babysitting will keep him out of trouble (Pacman anyone?)

  12. Move on!
    Players have killed humans in DUIs & given the chance to move forward.
    Please move on or as Rosenhaus once said “Next!”

  13. Exactly……..Dungy is the most over-rated coach in history. What did he ever do for the Colts. His defensive coaching prowess certainly never helped.
    as for Vick…..any team stupid enough to pick him to run their time deserves what they get………if Goodell wants any credibility whatsoever, he needs to ban Vick for life……..period and done!

  14. Vick hasn’t served his time in my opinion. he was never even charged with the killing of dogs. they only got him on a stupid gambling charge or something minor like that. the combination of the crappy celebrity-friendly prosectuor combined with his plea bargain got him a seriously reduced sentence. serving less than two years for 6+ years of running a dog fighting ring isn’t justice in my opinion.
    and for those clamoring for him to be re-instated, you realize playing in the NFL is a privilege, right? Vick has had *many* past transgressions, not limited to the marijuana/water bottle incident, lying to Goodell, flipping off fans, etc, etc, etc…. he already has a long behavioral rap sheet that would make Pacman blush.
    Say everything you want about Pacman, but he didn’t kill God knows how many dogs….

  15. 6 year lifestyle?
    This POS was involved in this when he was in the process of nearly flunking out of Va Tech.
    He doesn’t deserve another down in the NFL, and I’ve lost every bit of respect I had for Tony Dungy for getting involved with a subhuman like Vick. Tony, go speak to kids who you can actually shape and save.
    It’s a shame he had the VA DA in his back pocket and has yet to be charged for the obscene acts that he did with those other animals to those dogs.

  16. I’m a huge fan of the blog. However, I am tired of you repeating over and over (and over) that Vick’s crime was not a mistake, but a chosen lifestyle. We get the point! You don’t believe Vick should be given a second chance. And that’s where we disagree. Don’t get me wrong. I do agree that Vick’s crime was horrible and despicable. I also believe that he paid his debt to society. He spent almost 2 years in prison. He lost his fortune. He lost his image. He lost everything! Now, provided that he shows remorse and stays on the right path, I strongly believe that he should be allowed back in the league. Not only for Vick’s future, but for his family.

  17. Dungy also believes in trolls that live under bridges and dreams of gum drop fairys…..but in reality Dungy is one of the most stand up guys in pro sports and I hope Vick doesn’t screw him over.

  18. EverybodyGotAIDS: Kurt Warner said you are an a–hole – well actually it was his wife.
    I really do agree with you, though. Who cares what Dungy thinks. He is not even in the league. He once considered leaving the NFL to be a prison minister. Think he may have an agenda?
    I think you are right to mention his personal situation – although I do not usually think personal situations should be mentioned. If this article was about Andy Reid, there would be hundreds of “Andy cannot even handle his own kids- so how can he judge Mike Vick” comments.
    Mike Vick and his brother are losers. That is just they way it is. The NFL has every right to keep him out since they are a private organization. However, I think Roger Goodell is taking this a bit too far. He needs to cut the Moral BS that Dungy has always spewed.
    As much as I do not like Vick, let him back in and keep him on a short leash! It should be up to the owners to decide if they want to deal with this kind of person.
    Maybe Goodell should ban the Bengals from the league for a year and bring up a college team (probably be better anyway).
    While he is at it Goodell should stop the NFL from being so arrogant. It would be nice if they could go back to letting there be fun in the games.

  19. EverybodyGotAIDS said: “Religion isn’t a source for good, it’s a source of evil. It was invented to control the masses and to justify mass murder of others simply because they held different beliefs or because “that’s what god would want. He’d want you to go into this village and kill every man, woman and child”.
    Just like there are religious whackjobs, there are also whackjobs at the opposite end of that spectrum. Which is where you seem to be firmly planted.
    I have a lot of problems with organized religion, and I don’t deny that it can lead to evil things. But to label all religion as a “source of evil” is extremely myopic.
    I don’t know why so many people have to be so extreme with their opinions these days. Not all things are completely black or white. Not all things are completely good or evil. The real problems often happen when taking things to the extreme, in either direction.
    Just like you just did.

  20. Personally I believe Vick should sit until next season, isn’t he on some kind of parole yet! Regardless he should sit.

  21. Florio is a blatant homer and still pissed that Vick beat up hid college team on the way to the NC game. Vick has served more than enough time for his crimes. If an NFL has the stomach to hire him, then he should be allowed to do it.
    Where is the same level of punishment for human on human crime??? How much time did Jamal Lewis serve for dealing drugs to kids? What about Leonard Little after he killed a lady driving drunk? Ray Lewis after he concealed murders? PacMan…yadyadayada. On and on it goes.

  22. Anyone reporting on Michael Vick who is expressing an opinion on whether he should be reinstated to the NFL or not should be required to first answer one simple question honestly:
    “Would YOU hire him?”
    That includes ESPN, Fox, NFLN and every other news source that wants to pontificate on this subject….even PFT.
    I can’t imagine that ANY of the major media outlets would touch Vick with a 10-foot pole for fear of losing audience rating points and sponsor dollars. However, this doesn’t stop them from asserting their opinion that the NFL should welcome him back with open arms.

  23. “EverybodyGotAIDS says:
    May 22nd, 2009 at 11:34 am
    I still don’t understand who the hell cares what Tony Dungy thinks. it just really chaps my ass (pun intended) when he tries to come off as some kind of moral authority.”
    +1

  24. If Goodell lets Vick back in the league I’m fine with that. I hope he goes to the Redskins so I can watch him get destroyed by Demarcus Ware.

  25. FLORIO – Stop it with this “it wasn’t a mistake” schtick. He doesn’t mean it was a mistake like it was an accident. Of course it wasn’t an accident. He means that the original decision to get into dog fighting was a mistake and if he had it to do over again, knowing what he knows now, he wouldn’t. Kinda like getting married – at the time it seemed like a good idea but by now most of us realize it was a mistake.

  26. “Would I hire him??” If I can confirm and detect Sincerity and remorse whole heartedly ABSOFREEKINLUTELY I would hire him……QUESTION FOR YOU……If this was your son, wife or daughter WOULD YOU HIRE THEM???????????????? No be careful how you answer this…..If your family did the SAME things and acted the same way as Vick WOULD YOU HIRE THEM?????????????????

  27. Just like there are religious whackjobs, there are also whackjobs at the opposite end of that spectrum. Which is where you seem to be firmly planted.
    I have a lot of problems with organized religion, and I don’t deny that it can lead to evil things. But to label all religion as a “source of evil” is extremely myopic.
    I don’t know why so many people have to be so extreme with their opinions these days. Not all things are completely black or white. Not all things are completely good or evil. The real problems often happen when taking things to the extreme, in either direction.
    Just like you just did.
    _________________
    Is anything I wrote inaccurate? Is terrorism a serious problem in the world? Absolutely. Terrorism? Religion. Also, I’m not gay, but gay rights are really the “final frontier” in the civil rights area. When gays have rights equal to everybody else, we’ll be done with it and everybody will be more or less on a level playing field (except for all the racist systems like Affirmative Action and whatnot, but we’ll get rid of those in due time and everyone will actually be treated equally). Major imediment to gay rights? Religion. Crusades? Religion. Holocaust? Well…it was religion-based (i.e. a group was singled out based on religion, and yes, I understand that it wasn’t religious persecution in the normal sense, but it still applies). Religion was used to justify the slave trade. The inquisition? Religion. The current situation in the middle east? (both Israel/Palestine and the broader issues there) Religion. Religion is used as a driving force any time large numbers of stupid and/or uneducated people are needed to mobilize to accomplish something bad. That’s what it does. It allows those with perceived religious authority to use the stupid and/or uneducated for their own ends, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    This country was not founded based on religious principles (regardless of what many religious people will tell you – the founding fathers were not devout in any sense of the word, especially not by the standards of the day), and it became the most successful experiment ever conducted. The lesson? Without the perverting influence of religion, things thrive. Look to Turkey. They were one of the first, and remain one of the only, predominately Muslim countries that has an exclusively secular and democratic government. They are also one of the most free, fastest growing, most powerful, and developed of all the muslim countries.
    All I’m saying is that religion has become too firmly entrenched in our society, and if we want to move forward, we all need to work to eliminate it. I’m just doing my part.

  28. Anybody watch NFL Total Access last night?
    Marshall Faulk was spewing crap out of his mouth! It was insane.
    Allow me to paraphrase:
    Michael Vick never did anything wrong. He was a good guy on the field, a good guy to have in the locker room, and a good guy off the field. He shouldn’t be suspended.
    !!!!!
    Okay, Marshall, you obviously have lived in a cave for several years now. Good guy on the field, I guess flipping off fans doesn’t count.
    Locker room? Eh, I don’t know, but all his homies in the locker room were thugs. Anybody remember that Monday Nighter last year with the “Free Mike Vick” T-Shirts….disgrace.
    Off the field?
    Seriously, Marshall, you believe that Vick was a good guy off the field?????
    I guess you forgot that he ran an illegal dog fighting operation for 6+ years. Lied to Arthur Blank, the comish, the fans, and police. Oh yea, he did drugs too. His drug problem was so bad he brought them into and Airport! The one place where everything gets searched!
    But I guess he never had problems. What the hell was he thrown into jail for?!?!?
    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81073045/Vick-Risk-vs-reward
    fast foreward to around the 1:20 mark.
    Ridiculous!!!

  29. Hmm
    I wonder if Saint Dungy would feel the same if it came out that Mr Vick was playing hide the pickle with some guy name Butch while he was seeing the light and suddenly finding Jesus!
    this is total propaganda guys if you cant see right through it your blind!! Dungy is using Vick as a prop to further his career as a jesus toter and healer of all wayward men..
    all besides wayward gay men that is!!!

  30. WaltWV says:
    May 22nd, 2009 at 11:44 am
    Alright Florio….what ’s your deal w/ Vick. I realize he did a horrible thing and should be punished…but what do you want…he’s served his time & seems to have learned some life lessons. Your comments after every Vick post are kind of getting of line. What would you propose?….That he spend the rest of his life in jail?? So far we’ve heard that he is remoresful and wants to change his life. I’m not sure what else you would have him do?
    ————————————————
    Where do you get that Vick has learned life lessons? Saying the right words to a sap like Dungy is pretty far having proven you’ve truly “learned” anything. Let Vick stay out of trouble for a year on his own. Then you can say he’s learned some life lessons. Until then, he’s just a thug pretending to be otherwise.

  31. Thanks for that link Pea Tear Griffin.
    Un FN real!!!
    There should be fines for spewing such retarded comments.
    And the two of them laughing about the only thing Vick can’t do is get a dog. Big loss of cred there…

  32. I love all the animal freaks on here with the double standards. Where is outrage at the players who beat women repeatedly (Larry Johnson)? or who drive drunk endangering everyone on the road (Jared Allen)? No body seems to care too much about the Tank Johnson’s or Jeremy Stevens but yet have fixated on the one guy who actually was convicted as served his time. Any doubts on the double standards check out this great database of all the NFL thugs arrests and sentence:
    http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/nfl/arrests.html?appSession=766170355291978&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=&cpipage=1&CPISortType=&CPIorderBy=

  33. Vick(aka Ron Mexico) was a terrible QB look where the Falcons are without him.The dude is just dumb as a doornail.

  34. Is there a chance, that even if Vick is reinstated by Goodell, that the Falcons might just sit on his rights into the early part of the season? Vick’s trade value would presumably rise as starting and key backup QBs get decimated in training camp, the preseason, and the first couple weeks of the regular season. And the Falcons don’t owe Vick a favor.

  35. RonBurgundy says:
    May 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
    Florio is a blatant homer and still pissed that Vick beat up hid college team on the way to the NC game. Vick has served more than enough time for his crimes. If an NFL has the stomach to hire him, then he should be allowed to do it.
    Where is the same level of punishment for human on human crime??? How much time did Jamal Lewis serve for dealing drugs to kids? What about Leonard Little after he killed a lady driving drunk? Ray Lewis after he concealed murders? PacMan…yadyadayada. On and on it goes.

    Well, Pacman was forced to serve a 1 years suspension before being let back into the league, so at a minimum Gooddell should force Vick to serve a one year suspension to see if he can keep his nose clean on his own. Jail time doesn’t count, since he’s pretty well supervised.
    As for everyone else, your argument is pretty weak. That was an old administration, old rules and an old way of doing things. Just because it’s the way the old administration used to operate doesn’t mean the new administration has to behave in the same fashion.

  36. ElCabong says:
    Cruelty of this nature are early tells for serial killers. Not that Vick would be a serial killer but he is certainly one who practices the same kind of depravity.
    Great contradictive sentence. Make up your mind. Then maybe prove that this is true. I think the guy was trying to run a successful illegal operation, and was probably taught by someone to kill the weaker dogs. It’s still wrong, he’s still an idiot, but I’m sure he’s smarter and if not he’ll get caught again. For those of you comparing Vick to Pacman, please don’t be rediculous. Pacman was arrested several times. There were shootings and suspected shootings and then, he didn’t learn. Vick was doing basically 1 thing wrong for an extended period of time. I see no reason to keep him out of the game. Would I want him on my team? No. Only because I don’t care for his accuracy.

  37. I guess if you believe man and dinosaurs were on the Earth at the same time it isn’t much of a leap to believe Vick can be rehabilitated. Unfortunately, those two things have about the same chance of actually being true. Dungy is a nice guy though. But I repeat, he believes men and dinosaurs hung out together. (Maybe he should run for Vice-President.)

  38. @TNCM333
    No prob. My jaw hit the floor while watching that last night.
    I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. I’m actually surprised that no one else (Florio included) brought this up. It was despicable.
    …and just when I was getting pumped up about NFN and Comcast reaching a deal…

  39. yeah…..if Vick was white or hispanic, do you think Dungy would be paying him a visit?????????????

  40. I believe in Michael Vick too. I’ve seen him. Now, I’ve never seen bigfoot, so I don’t believe in bigfoot!

  41. jwill007 says:
    May 22nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
    “Would I hire him??” If I can confirm and detect Sincerity and remorse whole heartedly ABSOFREEKINLUTELY I would hire him……QUESTION FOR YOU……If this was your son, wife or daughter WOULD YOU HIRE THEM???????????????? No be careful how you answer this…..If your family did the SAME things and acted the same way as Vick WOULD YOU HIRE THEM?????????????????

    You really are as stupid as you sound, aren’t you? This argument you keep trying to make is weak and lame at best.
    This has been explained to you repeatedly, but since you still don’t get it, maybe you should write this down: It’s IMPOSSIBLE to be impartial when it comes to one’s own family. That’s why you see the family members of serial killers and rapists standing by their side, showing their support. So of course if it was a family member you’d want to see them reinstated.
    That being said, Vick isn’t my family member. As such, it’s easy to be impartial and objective and just say the league should, at the very least, give him a 1 year suspension. They ought to just ban his ass, but if they are seriously contemplating allowing his return, then it should be done only after serving a 1 year suspension.

  42. here’s the problem with michael vick comming back to play football,say a team decides to hire him,what is his starting salary?
    if it’s for the veteran minimum,do you think it might occur to him to augment his salary by fooling with the point spread..just a thought.

  43. I am a huge fan of this site, however I finally had to creat an account to make comments after reading this crap for the 5th time. Get off of your high horse concerning Michael Vick. Trust me, as a Falcons fan I was just as angry as anyone about the way he destroyed our team and basically walked all over Arthur Blank and his teammates. However, it is time to give him another chance. He has already lost more than just about anyone over dogfighting. I mean unless he can somehow return to the near-MVP status he had in 2002 & 2004, he is really never gonna bounce back from this. At the end of the day, it was still just dogfighting. I know I know, it was a 6 year “lifestyle”, but I would still rather hear about a dogfighting ring than some poor person being killed byh a drunk driver like Donte Stallworth or Leonard Little. He has lost a fortune, spent 2 years of his life behind bars, and basically branded a monster by society at large. Give hime the chance to fail or succeed now on his own actions. And please, stop preaching to us. We get it, you hate Mike Vick.

  44. I came to comment on the “it isn’t a mistake, it was a lifestyle” point that Mike keeps making, which is flawed logic. I see jwestbay made the point very well already. (It wasn’t an accident when you went to L-school, but looking back, maybe it was a mistake not going to J-school.) The real point is that Vick had many chances over 6 years to correct the lifestyle he now (supposedly) realizes was a mistake, and he didn’t. Maybe that point is too subtle?

  45. RonBurgundy says:
    May 22nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
    I love all the animal freaks on here with the double standards. Where is outrage at the players who beat women repeatedly (Larry Johnson)? or who drive drunk endangering everyone on the road (Jared Allen)? No body seems to care too much about the Tank Johnson’s or Jeremy Stevens but yet have fixated on the one guy who actually was convicted as served his time. Any doubts on the double standards check out this great database of all the NFL thugs arrests and sentence:
    http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/nfl/arrests.html?appSession=766170355291978&RecordID=&PageID=2&PrevPageID=&cpipage=1&CPISortType=&CPIorderBy=

    Nah, people are pissed at Jerramy Stevens and many people feel he shouldn’t be playing in this league. Since he’s not the latest and greatest and has been keeping his name out of the papers there isn’t as much public outcry.
    And come on, Larry Johnson and Jared Allen? None of their crimes even remotely compare to the level of heinousness of Vick’s crimes. Stupid, sure, but they don’t even compare.
    I’m with ya on Tank though.. That guy’s an ass and should have been kicked out a long time ago.

  46. rgott28 says:
    May 22nd, 2009 at 1:32 pm
    ElCabong says:
    Cruelty of this nature are early tells for serial killers. Not that Vick would be a serial killer but he is certainly one who practices the same kind of depravity.
    Great contradictive sentence. Make up your mind. Then maybe prove that this is true.

    Characteristic #14: “They are involved in sadistic activity or torturing small animals.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer

  47. Smush Rodriguez, how long have you been a complete moron, and is there medication you can take for that?
    Reinstated or not, what team is STUPID enough to sign Mike Vick? At BEST he would split the fanbase between those who forgive him and those who never will. What if he gets himself in trouble again? Would you want to take that PR hit for a guy who is a sub-par QB? Sure, the guy WAS exciting, but how much has age and conditioning slowed him down? And if Vick now has only “good” speed, what use is he? He can’t read a defense, isn’t accurate with his throws…
    The guy was a crappy QB who could make up for it with his legs. Again, who in their right mind wants to take a chance on the guy with all of his baggage.
    I hope for Mike Vick’s sake that he is not reinstated. The last thing he needs right now is to even have the chance to return to big money and big stardom. That could give him the big head which will get him in big trouble.
    As far as Tony Dungy… What a stupid move throwing his lot in with this guy. If Vick does well, noone’s going to credit Dungy, and WHEN he screws up again, everyone will remember that it was Dungy who vouched for the guy’s character. Truly stupid.
    Here’s a better question: If Dungy got a job as a HC again, would he sign Mike Vick on his team? Does Dungy believe that rounding up ex-cons is a good way to build a football team at a time when character is more of a concern than ever?
    So, reinstate him if you want, I don’t think any NFL team is stupid or desparate enough to want the PR from such a move. That would send a powerful message… We don’t have to ban you, you’re unwanted.

  48. EverybodyGotAIDS says:
    May 22nd, 2009 at 11:34 am
    I still don’t understand who the hell cares what Tony Dungy thinks. The guy was an OK coach. That’s it. Not a great coach. Not a superstar coach. An ok coach. He’s a bigot, which is certainly a bad character trait, but whatever. Everybody’s got some baggage…it just really chaps my ass (pun intended) when he tries to come off as some kind of moral authority.
    First of all, this man is not someone who should be charged with shaping young lives, as evidenced by his own life (terrible tragedy, but it would be ridiculous not to mention the obvious). Second, the guy is a hate monger. He works to deprive minority groups of their rights by raising money for hate groups. Third, does he realize that more people have been killed in the name of religion than anything else over the course of history? Religion isn’t a source for good, it’s a source of evil. It was invented to control the masses and to justify mass murder of others simply because they held different beliefs or because “that’s what god would want. He’d want you to go into this village and kill every man, woman and child”.
    Religion, to this day, continues to be a problem in our society. It holds back positive social change and attempts to put restrictions on personal rights. That’s the reason that Republicans are every bit as liberal (if not more so) than the democrats: because they allowed the religious right to take over the party instead of holding true conservative values.
    Back to Tony Dungy. Guy’s a scumbag.
    SOMEBODY must have had a strict daddy. Dungy will give you a hug, all you have to do is ask!

  49. bshazzar says:
    May 22nd, 2009 at 3:28 pm
    SOMEBODY must have had a strict daddy. Dungy will give you a hug, all you have to do is ask!
    ____________
    I think if anyone had “daddy” issues, Dungy wouldn’t be the guy to fix them….unless you’re talking “permanent solution” type fixing.

  50. LostInDaJungle says:
    May 22nd, 2009 at 3:21 pm
    Smush Rodriguez, how long have you been a complete moron, and is there medication you can take for that?
    ****
    Uh, after reading your post -WE AGREE. I am saying that the NFL should not ban him but the teams should not hire him. If the Eagles signed Vick, I would be PISSED. It would be a stupid move by an organization – so the Bengals, Detroit, or the Cowboys will probably do it. Or the Raiders will turn him into a WR.
    I also would be pissed if my team hired Dungy. He is a self righteous idiot who I do not care to hear from.

  51. @EverybodyGotAIDS:
    Your repeated contention that Dungy’s son’s suicide was due to a lack of parenting skills, love or concern shows a blatant ignorance of depression, mental illness and suicidal thoughts. But please, keep showing it off.

  52. I’ve always disliked Tony Dungy. He always came off to me as a phony hypocrite…Still there were those who bought his act hook, line and sinker. Not to pat myself on the back, but I find some comfort in knowing now that my intuition about the man was absolutely correct.
    Becoming a propaganda machine for an individual like Vick is shameful and embarrassing. Vick is a depraved sociopath who was immersed in a violent, heinous endeavor. A lifestyle decision is not a mistake, St. Tony.

  53. “Actually, our sense is that public opinion is beginning to coalesce in Vick’s favor, possibly because we’re collectively intrigued by the possibility of seeing Vick back on the field. ” – Florio
    Collectively, maybe. Individually, I never was intrigued by a guy with great athletic ability who happened not to be able to play quarterback on a consistently high level. Plus, he’s a douche bag, and I never find them intriguing.

  54. I come to this website to get quite possibly the best NFL news and rumors, usually before they get posted anywhere else.
    Instead, all I get, almost every, single, day, is your opinion of what Michael Vick did two years ago. Over. and over. and over. and over, and over, and over. We get it. You don’t like Mike Vick, you don’t like what he did. Leave it at that, and quit repeating your same opinion day in and day out, get back to business, and to the reason people come to this website in the first place.

  55. Wellsee says:
    May 22nd, 2009 at 4:24 pm
    @EverybodyGotAIDS:
    Your repeated contention that Dungy’s son’s suicide was due to a lack of parenting skills, love or concern shows a blatant ignorance of depression, mental illness and suicidal thoughts. But please, keep showing it off.
    ____________
    My repeated contention? I simply brought it up. Not bringing up Tony Dungy’s son’s suicide in a conversation about his ability to mentor young men would be like not bring up the fact that the Titanic sunk while discussing it. “Great ship! Biggest in the world! Completely foolproof!” Yeah, feel free to remove your head from the sand any time.
    Look, I’m not saying that Dungy was RESPONSIBLE for his son’s death. As a matter of fact, I do know a thing or two about [attempted] suicide and depression (diagnosed when I was 16 [biologically based clinical depression], lasted until I was about 18…then magically went away, for whatever reason. No problems the last 7 years whatsoever – any/all, feel free to mock me for that. Really, fair game.) The fact of the matter is, while Dungy may not have caused his son’s feelings…it’s ridiculous to assume he couldn’t have done anything. People with depression (I speak anecdotally, from my own experiences and the experiences of about….say, 15 friends, plus various news reports on many others) almost ALWAYS exhibit symptoms of some kind prior to suicide. To say that Dungy didn’t notice is almost to guarantee that he wasn’t available to notice, i.e. he was a bad father.
    Look, I understand if someone has had a loved one kill themselves, and they want to cling to the suggestion that there’s nothing they could have done. It’s comforting. The fact of the matter is, it is RARELY true. Could James Dungy have been one of those rare few who killed themselves without any warning? Sure….it’s possible….but considering it is EXTREMELY (and I can’t stress exteremly enough) rare, and Tony Dungy worked and LIVED in a different city at the time…isn’t it a little more reasonable to assume that he simply missed the signs? They’re hardly ambiguous. I don’t know enough about his situation to say with ANY certainty that he could have prevented it….I’m just saying the odds aren’t in his favor relative to being completely guilt free.
    The fact that he’s “dedicated” his life to mentoring troubled young men belies a guilty conscience. I’m not saying he SHOULD feel guilty, because I don’t know for SURE…..just saying it appears that he is. I feel like you just might be intelligent enough to draw your own conclusions….

  56. briansalo1: Speak for yourself, bro. I come here to hear Florio’s opinion and thoughts about: Vick, John Stewart beating Kramer, Kurt Warner talking to God, Pat White, Brett Favre, how bad the Cardinals organization is, how baseball sucks, and Seinfeld references. I also follow him on Twitter to hear about hockey and the apprentice.
    BTW, the Phillies just killed the Yankees in New York. Nice.

  57. EverybodyGotAIDS: sometimes people do see the signs and try to do everything they can to help and still fail. People are not educated enough to help the way people need help which is why there are professionals. I have seen first hand what suicide can do to a family and the guilt associated with the survivors. Before the incident everyone thought they were doing all of the right things and helping as much as they could and in retrospect – maybe everyone should have done more (or less) but certainly helped in different ways. The difference with Dungy is that he is out trying to mentor people now and writing best selling books where the people I am talking about are still in recovery mode.
    I do give Tony credit for trying to do good but I personally think he is a creep. I liked one of the posts earlier that asked wen Tony would visit Leaf in Jail. That is funny.
    Also, I am not sure how anyone can argue with you about whether Dungy should be a role model… It is pretty much a proven fact that a head coach of a football team has to spend too much time at the office to be an effective parent – of course there are exceptions. I personally would not take a job where I would have to spend that much time away from my family or I would hae made the decision to not have a family.

  58. Got a simple scenario for all you shit-for-brains that say Vick paid his dues and deserves another shot in the NFL:
    Suppose you are accused of commiting a crime. Your boss – no, the owner of the company – asks you point blank if you did the crime. You flat out lie to his face and say “heavens no, I would NEVER do something like that”.
    Evidence comes forward that is so strong that you are forced to admit your guilt in court. You are convicted, serve your sentence (ie: “Pay your dues”) and are released.
    Does that owner of that company have a legal obligation to hire you back after you flat out lied to his face?
    That alone – never mind the illegal betting, never mind the heinous and callous disregard for a living creature, never mind having never demonstrated a mastering of your basic professiona skills (ie: won a single damn thing) – is grounds enough for Roger Goodell to tell Michael Vick to go pound sand and play in the CFL, where he’ll earn $1.98 a year in comparison to an NFL paycheck.
    Screw Micheal Vick; the world owes him NOTHING.
    (I’ll take my copy of the book at your earliest convenience, Mr. Florio!)

  59. I have no ax to grind with coach Dungy. But the media has somehow deemed this guy a SAINT. I dont get it…Look at his personal life, his own son took his life. Thats not father of the year material.

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