Is Vick truly remorseful for his actions?

As quarterback Mike Vick prepares both to possibly sign with a new team and to definitely face James Brown of 60 Minutes, we can’t help but wonder whether Vick truly accepts responsibility for the things he did.

On Tuesday, Vick told basketball campers at Hampton University to “use me as an example for your dreams.”  (We assume that they should wake up before the “Leavenworth” portion.)

More importantly, Vick also lamented the fact that he “allowed someone who didn’t have my best interests at heart to take all that away from me.”

We would agree, if the “someone” to whom Mike Vick is referring is Mike Vick.

Even if Vick somehow was manipulated by others to engage in a six-year lifestyle of dogfighting and gambling on dog fights and killing dogs deemed unfit to fight other dogs, he should be well past the point of blaming others for his fate.

His failure to take public responsibility for his actions makes us wonder whether he’s truly remorseful for his behavior — and whether he simply told NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell that which Vick believed Goodell wanted to hear.

114 responses to “Is Vick truly remorseful for his actions?

  1. Of course he’s remorseful… Cause roger said he had to show genuine remorse. What a crock of vick.

  2. Anyone who believes Vick is remorseful and has turned over a new leaf is complete moron. Thug 4 Life.
    Goodell should test Vick, put him in a locked room for 48hrs with a box of puppies and see if everyone comes out alive. I bet he eats them all.

  3. I feel bad for which ever team signs him, unless its the dolphins, jets, or patriots.
    GO BILLS.
    F**K CRABTREE – LETS PLAY SOME BALL MAYBIN

  4. You’re right Florio. (did I just say that?) That statement is a more than a warning sign- it a huge blaring warning siren. He still doesn’t believe at the end of the day that any of this was his fault.
    This is a common symptom of the recidivist (most posters will have to look that up- go ahead, I’ll wait)
    Any team that signs this career criminal deserves whatever they get.

  5. Give it a rest. Prison will make anybody realize the mistake they made. I’m sure he regrets his bad decision making. When your brought up around something negative, that is condoned by the people your around, it’s easy to fall prey to those same actions. No excuses, he did it and served his time. Leave the man alone, this article is dumb, write about which team’s are pursuing him or something for the millionth time. None of us know the man personally so this opinionated article doesn’t mean anything or have any impact on whether he is remorseful or not. NEXT TOPIC PLEASE!!!

  6. Ok Florio, I think that I am one of your biggest supporters. I promote your website to everyone who I talk football with at the office and have recently started to promote subscriptions to your youtube account. And I support your opinions on Mike Vick and think after his “gangsta” appearence with some Young Jeezy clown proves that he will never grow up and he will always think he is some thug. As a result I don’t feel he should ever play the game again and should go try to be a rapper where he can bitch about the white man and do all that garbage.
    That being said, I am getting a little tired of reading a irrelevant Mike Vick post every day. We all know he isn’t remorsefull and unless he pulls a Dante Stallworth and says that the sound of dogs crying as he electorcuted them or smashed them to the floor until they dide haunts him everyday and will for the rest of his life, we never will. By posting this over and over it is going to make people not care anymroe. I suggest that posts come after a team says they dont want him, when he acts like an idiot with idiot rappers or when he signs with a franchise desperate to make noise. All this other irrelevant crap doesn’t matter much.

  7. I agree Florio. How can he blame someone else for taking everthing away from him when he funded and operated and participated in the dog fighting ring. Whatever happened to saying, “I made a stake, a serious and terrible mistake for which I am sorry”? Why is it so difficult to admit you were WRONG? Why is it others that have done terrible things to you and you are not responsible for your actions? Same thing with Stallworth. I have yet to hear the words from his mouth saying “I AM SORRY!” These guys think the world is thier oyster and anyone who interrupts their fun by running into their car or making me slam dogs to the ground is the real culprit. PITIFUL!

  8. This has been the point all along – “someone took from me” – WAAAH, WAAAH, WAAAH!!! Blame others is all he’s ever done, when he has a chance to come clean early all he did was LIE!
    Mike Vicks SADISTIC, CRUEL, SUB-HUMAN behavior (including but not limited to, strangulation, electrocution, beating to death, drowning) of non-violent animals IS THE ISSUE!! Vick could have hired a vet to humanely put down the animals that wouldn’t fight! Instead he chose to purposely & FOR KICKS, with his own hands torture these animals. And he still wants to blame others for HIS SICK, serial killing of animals! This guy deserves what ALL SERIAL KILLERS DESERVE, to be exterminated from SOCIETY not another NFL job.
    Remorse? Most serial killers aren’t capable of remorse, this misfit is no exception.
    THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR TORTURING DEFENSELESS CREATURES, but this will not stop the defenders, they will blame others just like Vick does… anyone else see a pattern here?? I can’t wait to hear from the “unity” & “stick together no matter what” group with more nonsense, all the Vick defenders spout is nonsense.

  9. Festivus says: August 12, 2009 8:54 AM
    Anyone who believes Vick is remorseful and has turned over a new leaf is complete moron. Thug 4 Life.
    —————————————————
    Though I don’t believe he is that remorseful (Except remorseful he was arrested for it), that is a really negative attitude. People can change there boss.

  10. My first thought to this story was…Duhhhh! But honestly, Mike Vick is not remorseful for his actions (i.e., killing dogs). He is remorseful for getting caught.

  11. Let’s see:
    He bought a home for his hood friends and his weed head cousin. He set *them* up in ‘business’, ostensibly running a kennel, but it was a dog ring. He gave *them* money to do all of this, including gamble, but never partook of any profits.
    You really think if Vick did not have the hangers on he would have been so close to that lifestyle? Everyone on the Falcons indicated they had *no* problems with him when they were around him.
    Oh, and his ‘friends’ completely rolled on him and took NO responsibility and served virtually NO time for their roles in the day to day running of the enterprise.
    Vick was speaking to kids. While he could have worded this better to not give a wrong impression to those splicing the few comments of his that were reported, the message of resisting the level of peer pressure that makes you wildly overvalue loyalty to childhood friends and associates is exactly the message that these kids needed to hear.
    Even if Vick had NO personal involvement in Bad Newz Kennels (and I’m not saying that, we know he was very involved), by virtue of him buying his ‘friends’ the house and helping out guys who didn’t have his best interest at heart, he would have been in the exact same situation. The money trail would still have led to him, and he’d have taken the fall. And for all of those sickened by his personal involvement (as I am), note that the same heinous crimes resulted in almost no jail time for his ‘friends’ under the justice system.
    He went down for exactly what he told the kids about at this camp. Not separating from folks up to no good. Even if his personal behavior was sterling in this situation, which it wasn’t, he still would have fallen for his associations and support of these guys.

  12. The 60 Minutes piece is guaranteed to be a puffball audition for Vick.
    So many people making excuses for him, and he’s just not good enough to pull it off.

  13. Florio, you are so off base here.
    Vick is extremely remorseful.
    Remorseful he got caufght.
    F Ron Mexico.

  14. kaakwha is totally right. whether he means it or not, that is what people (especially his supporters) desperatley want to hear. “I made a mistake. It was no one else’s fault, and i’m very sorry”, or something to that effect. this article throws a huge spotlight onto his whole “remorse issue. If he’s still blaming other people for what he did, then he obviously believes it’s someone else’s fault, and not his. Therefore, he cannot be truly sorry for what he did.

  15. “Prison will make anybody realize the mistake they made.”
    Yeah, many convicts think the mistake was getting caught!
    Oh, and interestingly, you look up ‘recidivist’ up on dictionary.com, and the banner ad on the left hand side is for the World Society for the Protection of Animals……. Well I found it funny at least….

  16. Mr. Vick’s recent remarks and choice of companions don’t point to what I believe the NFL commissioner was looking for. Hopefully, the teams in the NFL will realize this. If this is his attitude now, wait until he gets signed and then thinks he is someone “special.” Doesn’t seem like Tony Dungy has made any progress in Vick’s recovery from what has been seen so far. Too bad, it would be a great story if Mike Vick could turn himself around. But, until that appears to be happening, his future may be somewhere other than the NFL.

  17. It was the man!
    The “man” just could not stand to see Michael Vick making money and they tricked him.
    He was hood winked!
    He was bamboozeled!
    He was oppressed!
    He was an idiot.
    Wait…. what do I mean “was” an idiot?

  18. Florio said: “he should be well past the point of blaming others for his fate.”
    Didn’t you just blame ESPN yesterday for a story you posted?
    When the plaintiff in the Roethlisberger case started getting threats from idiots, didn’t you blame everyone but yourself?

  19. Let’s see if he can conjure up a few crocodile tears for 60 Minutes… I’ll bet his agent will have him sniffing onions in the dressing room…

  20. I am convinced that Michael Vick is completely amoral. He can’t recognize that he has done anything wrong. Such a person should not be permitted in the NFL.

  21. Psychopath POS.
    Waste of a human being.
    Deserves the same treatment as he gave the dogs.
    Go scrub floors and toilets with the other convicted felons.

  22. Of course he just said what he thought Goodell wanted to hear. The guy is scum and always will be. Two years of prison can’t change that.
    The notion that prison magically “rehabilitates” an individual is a fantasy.

  23. Perhaps he actually was speaking of himself? You know, in the third person?
    “That bastard Mike Vick screwed Mike Vick the hell over! If Mike Vick runs into that bastard Mike Vick on the street, Mike Vick is gunna kick Mike Vick’s ass!”

  24. Nice to see this article. It is pretty apparent he is trying to play the victim now. He is a schitzo or unable to determine right from wrong, which allows him to be easily manipulated then? Either way he has bigger issues at hand rather than playing football again.
    At least Stallworth has manned up and took responsibility for his actions and set a course to make them right. Settlement and all. Yes, he might have bought his way out, but didn’t deny everything until he was overwhelmed by evidence he had no choice but to plea guilty.
    http://www.smackmyvickup.com

  25. Subtly racist article prompts several insensitive and equally bigoted comments. But it is an honest display of the State of America that even after he lost millions, years of freedom, and the ability to receive forgiveness in the land where In God We Trust people are still out for his blood and question the content of his remorse. Should he not be allowed to make a living as someone suggested with the leaflets placed on car windows at the Hall of Fame game? Should we all pine and petition for his execution as payback and justice for the dead doggies? What makes you any worse than him when it comes to disregarding and misinterpreting the value of all life, canine or human?
    I remember 2000, Ray Lewis. People prayed and wrote and talked in anger for the man’s downfall. Almost a decade later, he’s still in the league and has been a positive impact on so many of the younger player’s lives. An elder statesman who can pass on his wisdom gained through his life experiences, both good and bad.
    Continue to hate, it’s what makes America so great a country to live in. No matter the disruptions, you can always succeed if you stay focused.

  26. Remorse you ask ? Oh I’m sure he truly feels remorse, remorse for getting caught that is. I’m sure he’s remorseful for going to jail and having to file for bankruptcy and losing his multi million dollar job but that’s about it. It probably even bothered him that he had to go six months without smoking weed. If you’re asking if he feels true remorse for torturing and then killing all those dogs, I wouldn’t bet a dime on it.
    I’m sure his motivation to make it appear like he’s remorseful stems from his bankruptcy and his dire need of cash. Seven fkn years he committed these atrocity’s. Anyone with any humane feelings at all would have stopped long before getting caught.

  27. I would think teams would want to see that 60 Minutes interview before they seriously consider signing him. I bet some body language expert will tear him up……..

  28. I hope nobody signs this turd. Done his time? So have a million other felons and they don’t get special treatment. Vick’s an A$$hole to the max.

  29. Vick SHOULD be mad at all his former “buddies” who shipped him down the river at the first hint of trouble. However, I should point out that loyalty is probably not a trait you would find among thugs who run a dog-fighting ring, or thugs in general.

  30. you see now he has his new entourage tony dungy william c rhodan jessie jackson al sharpton.he never had a chance to succeed.you see he grew up in a bad neighborhood on the wrong side of the tracks gangs all around him.just didnt have the same chances all of the white kids in the suburbs.no chance for a proper education. the kid never stood a chance to learn right from wrong.how long are we going to use that excuse have been for years you would think uncle jessie could make a difference by now but yet 50 percent of african american males will not recieve a high school diploma and i do believe the prison population is still around 70 percent.by the way who entitled tony dungy the dr. phil of the nfl.he speaks out on the charactor of michael vick speaking to nfl teams on his behalf.he also says jay cutler is inature and needs to grow up and is not a leader and is overrated.guess you need to be a thug to be a leader

  31. CoughlinUpALoogie said: “Subtly racist article….”
    I re-read the entire article after reading your allegation of racism, and I wasn’t able to find any hint of racism whatsoever.
    Can you please point out specifically how or where the article is racist?

  32. Of course he is remorseful……at no longer having money to burn, his buddies to tell him how great he is each and every day, and women willing to have any kind of sex imaginable at any time. Damn, who wouldn’t be sorry to lose all that?

  33. CoughlinUpALoogie says:
    August 12, 2009 9:50 AM
    Subtly racist article prompts several insensitive and equally bigoted comments.
    ———————————
    Please be kind enough to identify the subtly racist portions of the article. I have reread it 10 times now, and I can’t find it. Please illuminate me.
    I agree, however, that there are comments here that would fail the racist smell test.
    That being said, if you don’t recognize his comment “allowed someone who didn’t have my best interests at heart to take all that away from me”, as a projection of blame away from himself, perhaps race is coloring your judgement in the opposite direction.

  34. He’s only sorry that he got caught.
    You cannot be involved in something so long, (the past decade), and since the age of 8, and be remorseful about doing it.
    Goodell has already screwed the pooch by letting him back in, but the only solace that can be found is nobody has signed this psychopathic fool.
    He will never accept his actions as HIS actions, even if they cocky punk uses his name or alias in the 3ed person.

  35. Sorry but Vick is not wailing “my name is Toby” for you AWM’s. Really, that’s what the ire is all about isn’t it? He’s not balled up in a corner, downtrodden and spirit all broken. LOL, nope, not at all. Good for him.

  36. Damn Florio. You gonna pick on every little thing that Vick does to see if it meets to your standards. Leave the guy alone and only report about Vick if something actually happened not just what he does on his time off.

  37. You probably should have asked the folks at Hamptonroads.com what else was said or if there was something like a full transcript of the talk. It is possible that Vick said a lot more that make him sound remorseful than what was reported.
    I sure Vick said more than 3 partial sentences. Of course you and most everyone here is willing to pass another judgment on Vick based on these partial sentences. This is where your internet/twitter style of reporting (short, little real reporting and only snippets of information) falls down. It gets you notoriety, and national exposure, but still means you are more a blogger and not a respected journalist.

  38. If as many “Real” Football people read PFT as claim, then I would think the list of 5 teams considering Vick has probably shrunk a bit today. Or a least it should have if they have any clue or morals.

  39. How remorseful is Mike Vick? Well how do you measure remorse? Liters? Angstroms? Millibars? Feet? You are either remorseful or you are not.
    Mike Vick may not be remorseful for dog fighting. I am SURE that he regrets his decisions that lead up to his punishment. Too me all that matters is that he stays clean and does not commit any more crime.

  40. Whether Goodell heard what Vick thought he wanted to hear? Please.
    “Don” Goodell handed Vick the script that he wanted him to read. I just don’t understand why you think Goodell is this bastion of virtue. The guy is corrupt and will bring the NFL to the very edge of destruction.

  41. Vick didn’t make a mistake, like one night got drunk and drove and had an accident.
    He knowingly financed and ran a dog fighting ring which includes interstate gambling. He did this for an extended period of time, not accidentally one day when he was stoned or drunk. Normally in any sport once that kind of gambling is involved you are banned for life.
    Let be real Vick wanted to still be a thug and embrace the “gansta” lifestyle while financing that with money from the NFL. He knew all along and every time he killed an animal he knew what he was doing was wrong.
    WHY is the Commissioner treating him differently than any one else, because he knows that Vick will bring in gate money and in this down economy they are going to have problems selling out games this year. Teams other than the Raiders and Chargers will be experiencing blackouts this year.

  42. @CoughlinUpALoogie and others who “sniff” racism in some of these comments:
    Please get a grip and re-adjust your “sniffers.” I read and re-read the article and detected nothing racist at all. What Vick did was despicable and disgusting. If we didn’t know Vick’s ethnicity, do you think that would change a thing? Race is being used way too often for excuses and for victimization. If anything, my “sniffer” would detect Vick’s comments as vaguely rascist in that he seeks to blame someone else for his demise.
    The fact that he sees nothing to really apologize for, and in fact blames someone outside himself for his brutality is indicative of a person who really does not think they did aything wrong, but that outside forces took him down.
    What a sad excuse for rehabilitation. If this is an example of the “healing power” of Tony Dungy, then he should find another calling quick.
    I would be interested in hearing Dungy’s response to Vick’s recent comments.

  43. famu-cancer
    The Cancer part is fitting since you come in here to spew hate and cry racism.
    Vick is getting a huge break by Goddell regardless of his color this is about Micheal Vick the athlete it was not a racist issue until “YOU” tried making it one just now.
    Go put your head back up your ass!

  44. I doubt he is, look at all the people in the world who did bad things. If they were given a second chance for saying “I regret that I did that..” then everyone would be doing it. But he did do his time.

  45. it’s really funny to read all these comments. How many of you have never made a mistake in your life. or How many times Floria made a stupid mistake in his life.
    He made a stupid mistake no question about that.
    Are you all Saints? You guys sleep around with girls and leave them alone.. Hey My friend I screwed her tonight…
    If your daughter sleeps with someone and you find out.. YOu get mad.. why.. didn’t you sleep with someone else in your life…
    Go to Asia, dogs are being killed everyday. They give more importance to human life than animal.
    This country cares about dog not human.. human killers are free but dog killers are caged..

  46. Well said “Realitypolice”
    There is absolutely no hint of anything racist in this article. I dont really see too many hints of racism in the comments either, however I did mention something about rapping and bitching about white men. I guess that makes me one of the slightly racist comment authors. However I would disagree since I was just saying if he wants to be a thug go be one. At least he can make a living that way.
    by the way, “CoughlinUpALoogie”, we all anxiously await the line in this original post that has anything to do with race.

  47. @famucancer
    you are way off base dude.
    When you f**k up, a healthy dose of recognizing your mistake, apologizing and getting on with your life/career is healthy and healing.
    Who said we want him crawling in a corner? Man, some of you guys who are defending Mike are way more rascist than the people you are pointing your fingers at.
    Arrogance is not an admirable trait.
    Honesty and seeing the truth of your situation is.
    There is nothing wrong with admitting a mistake.
    You do think what he did was a mistake or wrong, don’t you?

  48. Man Florio, why this infatuatation with Vick? We understand that you are a dog lover just as millions around the world are, but I believe he served his time, paid his debt, and has the right to move on. No one will ever know if he truly is remorseful. I don’t see posts as provocative as this aimed towards Stallworth who actually killed a PERSON! I hope you are not trying to say that a canine’s life takes priority over a human one.

  49. Ok Florio, I think that I am one of your biggest supporters. I promote your website to everyone who I talk football with at the office and have recently started to promote subscriptions to your youtube account. And I support your opinions on Mike Vick and think after his “gangsta” appearence with some Young Jeezy clown proves that he will never grow up and he will always think he is some thug. As a result I don’t feel he should ever play the game again and should go try to be a rapper where he can bitch about the white man and do all that garbage.
    That being said, I am getting a little tired of reading a irrelevant Mike Vick post every day. We all know he isn’t remorsefull and unless he pulls a Dante Stallworth and says that the sound of dogs crying as he electorcuted them or smashed them to the floor until they dide haunts him everyday and will for the rest of his life, we never will. By posting this over and over it is going to make people not care anymroe. I suggest that posts come after a team says they dont want him, when he acts like an idiot with idiot rappers or when he signs with a franchise desperate to make noise. All this other irrelevant crap doesn’t matter much.
    ******************************
    I concur 100%. If you knew your audience didnt want to hear about a Hall of Fame QB who didnt know how to call it quits, what makes you think we want to hear about a THUG qb who shouldnt be allowed in the league and by the looks of things probably won’t be back in the league because no team wants to take the PR hit right now and the loss of ticket revenues when the economy is down right now.
    So until some team is dumb enough to sign him, please stay off this degenerate.

  50. “southernboi727 says: Leave the guy alone and only report about Vick if something actually happened not just what he does on his time off.”
    Umm isn’t what he does on his time off what got him in the situation he is in right now? What an ignorant and terrible comment.

  51. Vick is finding out what a lot of convicted felons find out after they are released from the hole, it’s tough to get hired as a convicted felon.

  52. Some of these comments are racist….but the article? C’mon….Michael Vick is a convicted felon…trying to get back in the best league on this planet. Just because someone has a different opinion than yours doesn’t mean they’re racist. Wake up…and use your head.

  53. Expecting a grown man to accept responsibility and stop blaming others is NOT RACIST unless you think a man’s skin color has something to do with his ability to be a responsible human being.
    It doesn’t. You can be any race and still be a decent, responsible human adult. Mike Vick is NOT. Quit handing him the crutch of the racism fallacy.

  54. Vick is just doing what a lot of black people do; that is, he’s blaming somebody else for his own poor decisions.
    Contrary to the prevailing opinions of “black America” and guilt-ridden white libs, the overwhelming majority of the truly significant issues that plague the black community are NOT the result of racism.
    Instead, these issues are self-inflicted wounds that are the result of irresponsible behavior by significant portions of the black population: out-of-wedlock births, deadbeat “fathers”, STDs, crime, and a lack of emphasis on education.
    All this whining and sniveling about the U.S. being “the most racist country in the world” is a bunch of garbage. (Hint: Just because Al Sharlatan and Je$$ie Jack$on say it, doesn’t mean it’s true.)
    If this was a “racist country”, why in God’s name would people from all over the globe be coming here by the millions? How do you explain the incredible success enjoyed by Asians, Indians, “real” Africans, and other “people of color”?
    A lot of these folks can barely speak English when they arrive here, and yet they are able to build thriving businesses. How, exactly, do you think that happens?
    Of course, it’s much easier to sit back and blame “The Man” for all of your problems than it is to take responsibility for your own life and your own destiny.
    Thank you all, and may God bless America!

  55. Racist article / comments???
    People are so worried about being tabbed a “racist” it blinds them from seeing the most obvious issues. In this case people are using the racist tag to sugar coat a very disturbing psychopathic tendency done by a multi-millionaire athelete.
    You do realize that animal cruelty and torture is a past time of serial killers, right?
    The crux of the article is now this convict is blaming others for getting caught. Wouldn’t matter if he were black, white, red or yellow. No racism here, just the fear of being called one.

  56. AWM’s get over it. You’ve been mad now for quite a while and its really probably unhealthy for ya. Vick is gonna be signed, and there is nothing you can do but what you WILL do, which is watch. So settle down and just wait for the new Young Jeezy track that’s dedicated to MV…dont worry, your lil Todd or Noel will be playing it.

  57. famucancer, well said. Until Michael Vick pulls a Jim Bakker or a Jim Swaggert and has tears streaking down his cheeks or maybe a Jim Jones and takes out a few more “Toby’s” along with himself, the AWM will always believe that he holds no remorse in his heart. Another example of a misguided notion of entitlement.
    And at those who see no racism in this article, it is for you to take the journey to open your eyes, not my responsibility to provide the lens. I will say that it has become mainstream media’s mission to strain to write anything positive about anyone without spinning it back towards a negative. And in Michael Vick’s case, most of the veiled hate or subtle deceit or disguised disingenuous concern about his remorse and/or other feelings regarding his conviction comes from your AWM reporter which then leads to your AWM reader spewing AWM anger and disgust. I’m just saying is all…how can you not see the spin? And how can you not forgive a man who has paid for his mistake and then question the strength of his own atonement?

  58. He is not nearly as remorseful as he would be if some dog owners I know could get a hold of the sob.

  59. He is not nearly as remorseful as he would be if some of the dog owners I know could get their hands on him

  60. As times pass it is more and more evident that using racism to excuse failures is the vogue thing to do. The black racists, especially those who have written here, have shown it is much easier to play on white guilt than move on to the next level of understanding. How can we fault them? The racist Sharpton has never apologized for Tawana Brawley’s lies. The racist Jackson, who scolded Time magazine 20 years ago for not calling him a moral leader, has fathered illigitimate children from numerous affairs. The wonderful Cosby was slipping mickies in women’s drinks to have his way with them. The congenial Farrakkan has encouraged anarchy. What wonderful role models. No wonder black people excuse Vick. I am not a racist, yet will always be considered one just because of my skin color. Blacks have proven to be no better than whites in their prejudicesHow sad for all of us.

  61. Whichever team is foolish enough to take him should apply the same punishment when he fails to meet expectations that he used on his dogs.

  62. Bubba Maximus
    The characteristic of blaming others for one’s own problems isn’t limited to a single race of people.
    You say may “God Bless America”, but do you seek him “God” with the knowledge that you are a sinner? “All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God” Romans 3:23

  63. CoughlinUpALoogie says:
    August 12, 2009 9:50 AM
    Subtly racist article prompts several insensitive and equally bigoted comments. But it is an honest display of the State of America that even after he lost millions, years of freedom, and the ability to receive forgiveness in the land where In God We Trust people are still out for his blood and question the content of his remorse. Should he not be allowed to make a living as someone suggested with the leaflets placed on car windows at the Hall of Fame game? Should we all pine and petition for his execution as payback and justice for the dead doggies? What makes you any worse than him when it comes to disregarding and misinterpreting the value of all life, canine or human?
    I remember 2000, Ray Lewis. People prayed and wrote and talked in anger for the man’s downfall. Almost a decade later, he’s still in the league and has been a positive impact on so many of the younger player’s lives. An elder statesman who can pass on his wisdom gained through his life experiences, both good and bad.
    CoughlinUpALoogie is a pretty apt name considering his “comments” would invoke coughing up a loogie.
    With his “subtly racist comments” and insensitive and bigoted opinions. What “years” of freedom? I believe it was a year and so many months, wasn’t it? But, go ahead and buff your comments so it doesn’t appear as if YOUR being partial and racists. We’re not questioning his “remorse” just his ACTIONS after his pretext of remorse. Should “he be allowed to make a living”? Yes, wasn’t he doing so at the construction company after his release? Would you give Madoff HIS job back after he “served his time”? No, but he WOULD get a second chance just as Mike “DawgKilla” Vick did with his construction job. Oh, and WHAT positive impact did Ray “Killthebitch” Lewis EVER have? Exactly, none! These are the kinds of comments that show just how partial and racist that Vick’s supporters can be. They ramble on, make up or create details when none exists, and try to throw it back on the readers claiming that the readers are sinners also, therefore Ol Mikey can’t be that bad. Oh, for what it’s worth, I and MOST of our society have NEVER taken a life, canine OR human, but if we did, it’s till inexcusable. He reaped what he sown and you can try to whitewash it all you want.

  64. CoughlinUpALoogie
    Nice try to get out of this one, no one is spinning race and judging off the fact that most of the “AWM” reporting are highly paid and successful, I don’t think they are angry. Lord knows Florio probably gets a big paycheck from NBC and so we know he isnt angry. As far as most people are concerned he didn’t serve his time, he deserved more time and he should have to face the fate that all convicted felons do, struggle to find a job that pays minimum wage.
    Your argument is nonsense and you just proved that you my friend are seeing life with a shade over your “lens” and until you can remove the shade of race you will never see things for how they truely are.

  65. It is amazing to me how folks worry about things like this. Vick served his time and remorse won’t change much.
    There are players that have done much worse to people and without the public outrage.
    Personally, I hope Vick comes back, is hugely successful with or without remorse.
    Let’s move on.

  66. Again with the race card?!?!?! Why is this even an issue? What race were the dogs? Jesus H!!! SHUT UP ABOUT RACE!!!! AWWW poor Mike, he was just given every opportunity to succed in life due to his genetic ability. Poor guy had millions and was one of the most popular players during his palying days. Too bad he was dicriminated agianst for being black. That is why he went to jail, right? Because he is black?? Oh wait, no he bank rolled a cruel and inhumane and ILLEGAL operation. I am from Blacksburg and I can tell you first hand both of the Vick boys were given opportunities and free passes that others at VT were not. Stop making excuses for this scum.

  67. famucancer says:
    August 12, 2009 10:23 AM
    Sorry but Vick is not wailing “my name is Toby” for you AWM’s
    Don’t know who Toby is or what you are referring to but, he IS wailing and balled up in a corner for all you ABM’s to see. If he wasn’t wailing, he wouldn’t be trying to get back into the rich life of the NFL.

  68. “Glad to know there are so many spotless people out there.”
    Never killed a dog or bankrolled an illegal interstate gambling ring if that’s what you mean.

  69. I find the act of trying to glean the sincerity from the public words and actions of anyone in fame’s limelight to be, in all but the most extreme of cases, a hilarious wild goose chase. The level of artifice someone in Vick’s position has had to build into his public persona is such that I’m not sure anybody who doesn’t have reporters waiting for him every time he goes to the doctor’s office or gets a parking ticket can really grasp. People misread words and body language and behaviors of those with whom they’ve spent their entire lives; how can we possibly expect to get any real grasp of Vick’s sincerity from the words he utters with a few dozen cameras in his face?
    Also, I take some issue with the inexplicable moral standards that our society expects from those it tacitly raises to have almost none. Exceptional athletes, particularly those in sports that make gobs of money for everyone involved, have a tendency to be spoiled by the majority of people around them during their formative years. While it certainly doesn’t excuse this or the variety of other crimes committed by professional athletes over the years, it does lead me to question how we can all be so outraged over a lack of sincere remorse. I don’t mean to come off as an apologist for celebrity criminals, not in the least–we all make our own choices. Just pointing out that when people are fawned over by everyone around them from a very young age, perhaps it might not be terribly surprising to discover convincing these people that they are wrong is not the easiest thing to do.
    So stop with the hand-wringing. His level or lack of remorse is not only impossible to discern by anything but future behavior, it is completely irrelevant–his behavior is the thing.
    Just like I don’t want to be prosecuted every time somebody cuts me off in traffic and I think “I really want to run this piece of garbage into that bridge abutment,” (but don’t do it), Mike Vick doesn’t deserve to be publicly persecuted just on the off-chance that he’s thinking “To hell with PETA, I still want to fight dogs” (as long as he doesn’t do it). (Again).

  70. “it’s really funny to read all these comments. How many of you have never made a mistake in your life.”
    Um, that wasn’t a mistake. It was a terrible decision. Or series of them.

  71. “How do you measure remorse? Can someone please explain to it me.”
    See Michael Irvin’s HoF speech. Or DON’T see Vick’s words at Hampton U.

  72. He made millions and had people kissing his ass all day long.
    He was not a great QB or even a very good one but he was treated like a God and now that he has pissed it all away he is being treated poorly because he is black?
    Really?
    I could have sworn that he was black BEFORE the whole dog torture thing became public.

  73. “And at those who see no racism in this article, it is for you to take the journey to open your eyes, not my responsibility to provide the lens.”
    oh hahahaha in other words, you can’t say why you think it’s racist, you just know that it is!

  74. killachap, we are not friends. And please do not mistake my lengthy responses for the desire to engage with you or any of these “nobody’s” in this forum who wish to bury their collective heads in the sand so as not to see that color/race is still and will forever be a factor in all things American. Again, it is what makes this such a great country. The AWM can say and do all that he wants about and to the ABM and that ABM can still become its President, highest paid golfer, highest paid NFL player, highest paid entertainer, etc. etc., despite the ramblings of those who seek only to cause a distraction to progress. And vice versa.
    I will conclude my observation on this forum with this one simple fact; the world is filled with pimps and hoes, which one are you? Do you pimp your intelligence or do you let ignorance have its way with you? It’s your pleasure to do either and equally so to dismiss me from your conscience.

  75. @famu and loogie
    You both are pretty sad characters and I must say you sound pretty stupid.
    You both assume to know my race and my politics and my gender. You both think I am a white man. How would you know that?
    By making assumptions and putting people in little mental boxes that you create and saying all white men feel this way and all black men feel that way etc.. That is the essence of racism.
    For all you know I may be a Vietnamese female.
    You also assume I am angry.
    I have not put any anger in my comments. I admit there are a few comments in this thread that are subtly racist but I fnd your dismissive ideas of anyone who disagrees with you to be more racist and more deluded than anything the vast majority of comments made here.
    You guys (if you are guys) are part of the problem this country faces. We will never get over racism in this country until people like you paint everything in terms of race.
    It is more than race! It is about decency and honor. You guys are pathetic.
    good luck getting through life with that victimization personality you both exhibit.

  76. Bubba and Killachap….excellent posts! Now, let’s see if the racist Coughin and FAMU can at least attempt to have a discussion without them bringing race into it to excuse anyone’s behaviour.

  77. @entelechy3
    Once again evryone but the person responsible is chastised. It is not hard to discern what a man means when he plants the seed of someone else not having his best interests at heart. Wake up. He is laying the foundation of not being totally responsible for his mistakes. 99% of the people writing here would agree. He has been in front of cameras and reporters all his life. You are making excuses for him, too. He is an example of dreams, all right. Only, they are the worst nightmare for any of those poor young people who follow in his selfish shoes. Did you ever stop to think the person who cut you off did not do it on purpose? It says a lot about your character to want to run the piece of garbage into a bridge abutment. I believe you would do it if there was a way to get away with it. Now, I see why you defend Vick. You have similar personalities.

  78. Trust me. This is not the end of Vicks legal road.
    He can play , or not play, admit hes sorry, or not.
    Bottom line, he will get arrested for something again. Because……..hes so stupid. Only dumb asses like him, think they are above the law. The dumb ass thought he could get away with something. Criminals always do.
    Convicts swear they will never go back to jail. Lord knows they are all innocent. Yet recidivism is really high.
    He can play this year, go ahead, (enjoy it while you can thug), but this dumb ass will see the inside of a jail again. Sooner or later vicky, you will show your ass again.

  79. OK I lied, only because entelechy3 (Aristotle or Driesch?) has provoked a rather interesting idea, or maybe just a concept with undefined parameters.
    A person’s expression of remorse is truly irrelevant if the actions that follow display otherwise. But how then can the actions be pre-determined if that person does not fully grasp the concept of what it means to be remorseful? How can we blame or expect Michael Vick or any high-profile figure to fully accept the blame for their actions when they in turn are treated and likely conditioned to believe that they are not like the other 95% of the population? They are labeled as and pushed to become exceptional in every physical way thus creating an even greater likelihood that they can be just as exceptionally deficient in other capacities (mentally, spiritually, emotionally) Interesting.
    For all we know, Michael Vick may say he is truly sorry and still engage in illicit activity years or even months down the line. Even at this moment, he could be downloading kiddie porn while eating barbecued unicorn. But I will agree that the true measure of this man will come in his deeds and not his words.
    *ptooie*

  80. CoughlinUpALoogie said: “And at those who see no racism in this article, it is for you to take the journey to open your eyes, not my responsibility to provide the lens.”
    That’s a pretty convenient stance for you to take. It allows you to accuse others of racism without ever having to identify it.

  81. @coughupabuger
    You say, “”And at those who see no racism in this article, it is for you to take the journey to open your eyes, not my responsibility to provide the lens.” How many times have you stated that in this forum? It seems like a mantra with you and is getting old. You do not want to take responsibility? I never heard that from a black man before, yet you continually lash out at everyone who does not agree with you, especially if they are white. You are eager to force your views and then claim no responsibility. So, what is it? Our eyes are open and, unfortunately, we do not like what we see. Thank goodness we do not see racism, except for you of course.

  82. Give him a break. Vick never should have landed in Federal Court – this was a Federal Witchhunt.
    He’s paid his dues, he’s playing ball in the NFL this year, you can’t wait to watch him – so shut up already.

  83. Some of the posters here are absolute idiots. Being disgusted by Vick’s horrific behavior makes you an angry white male and a racist? Are you kidding me? Seems to me those of you trying to make this a race thing ought to take a look in the mirror, because for most of it, it’s absolutely not about race. It’s about distancing ourselves from a sad, pathetic and sick individual.
    @Bubba Maximus- Great post, sir. You’ve hit the perverbial nail on it’s collective head.
    @Baseball First- Well said, though I don’t agree with the idea of putting baseball first, ahead of the NFL. =)

  84. @Loan Shark
    Arguing with you is like dueling with an unarmed man. He was given more breaks than you or I will ever see combined. He had the world by the tail and he alone screwed it up. The gambling ring was interstate and wound up in Federal court as required. Do you not think his high-priced lawyers would have made that complaint? Before you rudely tell others to shut up, I would suggest you know your facts. Egg on the face is not becoming. By the way, when he was indicted, he was released and agreed to abide by strict rules. He then violated the terms by testing positive for pot. Yes, he was so sorry. He had an electronic monitor put on his ankle after that and was restricted to his home. I wish I could pretend as you and others do, but that would be unfair to the truth. Next, you will be saying Mulder and Scully have empirical proof of alien life, or new footage was found of Castro in the grassy knoll with a rifle aimed at JFK. Witchhunt indeed!

  85. Loan Shark says:
    August 12, 2009 2:18 PM
    Give him a break. Vick never should have landed in Federal Court – this was a Federal Witchhunt.
    He’s paid his dues, he’s playing ball in the NFL this year, you can’t wait to watch him – so shut up already.
    =========================================
    He committed the federal crime of running an interstate gambling ring, a felony. He deserved to be arrested, tried and convicted.
    And if by “Witch hunt” you mean going after the guy at the top who created and sponsored the whole thing, then yes, this was a witch hunt, as it should have been.

  86. “It is more than race! It is about decency and honor.”
    Dog fighting? what about that is decent and honorable? Can someone please tell me??

  87. Also this is exactly what happens when the race issue is played. The ISSUE is lost. It suddenly becomes a “white people don’t like black people and vice versa thing”. No one is even talking about Vick anymore, no one is addressing the actual issue, or ethical and moral issue. We are all too busy calling each other racists and biggots. Focus on the actions and issues, not the race card.

  88. I am with the Humane Society and I (personally) do not believe Vick has changed. I think he was CAUGHT and is telling everyone what they want to hear so he can go back to playing football. Anyone that has ever seen (in person) a pit bull fight would not be able to sleep at night (if they had a HEART). I have seen them and it honestly has changed my life. I can now hear a dog growl and my heart nearly jumps out of my body. I will never get over it.
    I know everyone deserves a second chance but where are all the dogs chances? I would spit on the man if I ever saw him……and then I would let my pit bull discuss it with him.

  89. My pit bull is black and white……so no racial problems there……if he had mistreated her the way he did the other dogs……we wouldn’t have had to discuss Michael Vick ever again. Hmmmmmm

  90. Coughlin this will be my last point on this discussion because obviously your hate towards the AWM is more important that the logic in my argument. Obama was elected because white people looked beyond the color of his skin and looked to what he represents. As far as Tiger Woods, GREAT EXAMPLE!! He is a role model for all of these black youths who fall victim to their surroundings. He has more class than any other athlete in the world. Instead of sending Tony Dungy, who by no means has the qualifications to support and guide any young man in the right direction, why doesn’t Tiger help him out. I think that would get him further in life.
    Finally, race will always be an issue as long as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and hateful people like you, use race as a crutch or as an excuse. Man up.

  91. Lets talk second chances….
    In one case, a dog Vick tried to hang “by placing a nylon cord over a 2 x 4 that was nailed to two trees located next to the big shed” refused to die. Wearing a pair of overalls he donned so he would not get blood from the dogs on his expensive tailored suits, did Vick give that dog a second chance? No. According to the Special Investigator, the dog “was taken down and drowned in a 5 gallon bucket of water.”
    Not only did he savagely abuse and kill those dogs, he took great enjoyment in it, finding it funny to watch family pets being torn apart.
    Vick had another opportunity to give a dog a second chance when that dog “would not die from hanging.” Did he? No. According to the Investigator, “Vick took down one of the dogs that would not die from hanging and tossed the dog to the side. He later hung the same dog until it died.”
    Vick had yet another opportunity to give dogs a second chance when they were “rolled” or “tested” to see if they would fight. Did he? No. Even when some of his co-conspirators wanted to give away dogs who would not fight rather than kill them, the Special Investigator says “Vick stated ‘they got to go,’ meaning they needed to be killed.”
    http://www.smackmyvickup.com

  92. “Give him a break. Vick never should have landed in Federal Court – this was a Federal Witchhunt.
    He’s paid his dues, he’s playing ball in the NFL this year, you can’t wait to watch him – so shut up already.”
    Vick is good at second chances.
    In one case, a dog Vick tried to hang “by placing a nylon cord over a 2 x 4 that was nailed to two trees located next to the big shed” refused to die. Wearing a pair of overalls he donned so he would not get blood from the dogs on his expensive tailored suits, did Vick give that dog a second chance? No. According to the Special Investigator, the dog “was taken down and drowned in a 5 gallon bucket of water

  93. Sounds to me like Vick ought to forget about football and get into politics asap. He’s got the part down pat about accepting full responsibility and still leaving the impression that it was the fault of other(s). The money isn’t quite as good Mike, but your career can last a lot longer if you just exercise a little self control. You know – maybe confine your dogfighting to Central or South America somewhere.

  94. @Baseball First:
    Spare me your indignant self-righteous ranting, would you? It was awfully nice of you to climb down from your ivory tower long enough to chat, now kindly climb back up and continue enjoying the smell of your own farts and reminding yourself of your own superiority.
    My point was that we all have thoughts that, if carried out, would put us in jail or worse. My sincerest apologies if the example I chose offended you, but the fact that you were willing to decide that I was the type of person who would carry out a murder-suicide based on reading three paragraphs penned by my hand tells me that you’re the kind of lunatic who’ll gladly believe the worst about anyone who disagrees with him, and in doing so completely shut yourself off from any potentially valid argument they may raise. I apologize, therefore, to anyone else unfortunate enough to read this utterly pointless response, but here we go.
    I am not making excuses for Vick, nor anyone else for that matter. I’m simply flabbergasted that people like you continue to be shocked by situations like this–we live in a society where we’re constantly raising our heroes on loftier and loftier pedastals while simultaneously giving them more and more leeway to bend the rules… and then we’re absolutely shocked and horrified when they cross the line. And now you’re getting your panties in such an inexplicably tight knot wondering if an unemployed professional athlete has truly, truly changed. Really? That’s what you’ve been saving your moral outrage for?
    You know what? Who cares if he’s changed? You say I’m chastising everyone but the person responsible… responsible for what? Might I remind you that the entire point of this discussion is whether or not the man is truly sorry for his actions? You would have me “chastise” the man for a state of being that neither I nor any of you have any remotely reasonable method of discerning, or grounds for authoritative opinions? Are you insane, or just that full of yourself?
    I hate him for the crime he committed, make no mistake. I have two dogs, and I do believe anyone capable of harming dogs for entertainment is a monster. But you know what? Luckily, for the sake of rational thought everywhere, neither I nor you are in charge of our justice system. And the man served almost two years in prison. Does that bring back the dogs he killed? No. Does it erase the years he spent making their lives hell while they still lived? No. But it’s what the state decided as his penalty, and he paid it. If he does it again, he’ll pay whatever price comes of it. Until then, can we stop pretending we live on Sesame Street, and making baseless assumptions about the man because he hasn’t personally knocked on all of our doors, looked us in the eye, and said he’s sorry?

  95. I agree Florio. How can his responsibility someone else for taking everything away from him when he funded and operated and participated in the dog aggressive circle.

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