Jimmy Johnson not sold on Tim Tebow

One of the biggest questions surrounding the 2010 NFL draft is whether Florida quarterback Tim Tebow can make it as a quarterback in the pros.

One of the best draft-day decision makers in NFL history isn’t optimistic about Tebow’s chances.

Jimmy Johnson, whose wheeling and dealing in the NFL draft built the Dallas Cowboys dynasty of the 1990s, said today on the Dan Patrick Show that he thinks Tebow will need to change positions in the NFL — unless some franchise is so sold on him that it’s willing to rebuild the entire team around an offense he could run.

I don’t think Tim Tebow can play in the NFL if it’s in a pro style offense,” Johnson said.

According to Johnson, an NFL team that drafts Tebow would most likely turn him into an H-Back or a wide receiver. (Safety might also be a possibility.) Quarterback, Johnson thinks, just isn’t the right position for Tebow in the NFL.

Johnson did allow that a team could totally change its offense, start running the same spread attack that the Florida Gators use, and draft Tebow as a quarterback. However, Johnson said a team that was going to do that would probably have to replace its head coach. If that’s the case, there probably aren’t many coaches who will advocate drafting Tebow.

86 responses to “Jimmy Johnson not sold on Tim Tebow

  1. Wide Receiver? Safety?
    He ain’t THAT fast Jimmy. All that styling gel in your hair leak into your brain or something?

  2. Finally someone that isn’t sold on Tebow. He’s so overrated. He won’t be able to read defenses in the NFL or handle the speed. So Tebow junkies, he might dominate college but he will get dominated in the pros. He’s going to be a bust for whoever drafts him.

  3. sold… done and done…
    bring on tebow , we need a new HC anyhow
    buffalo can trade down there 4th overall pick and still get tebow!
    win-win-win situation

  4. Think with your dipstick, Jimmy!
    I wouldn’t bet against this guy. As much as I can’t stand hearing Verne Lundquiste and Gary Danielson (CBS – SEC coverage) gush with their man crushes on Tebow every Saturday for the past 4 years, there is no denying that he is a winner and has the “it” factor. I don’t think that he will be a Dan Marino, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but I think that he can be better than Jamarcus Russell, Trent Edwards, Mark Sanchez, Matt Leinhart and Kyle Orton. I would take a chance on him if I already have the team built around him to be successful.

  5. Tebow will have a short 4-5yr NFL career, spending most of it on the sidelines somewhere
    i’m sure he has a great work ethic, tremendous leadership on the field, and great athleticism, but the same could be said for plenty of other players who didnt make it
    he will not be a QB in the NFL

  6. How the heck can this bonehead Jimmy Johnson say that he loves Vicne Young and Tebow is 100 timed better than Vince Young? Tebow is a better passer.. a more effective and durable runner and runs the 40 in the same time as Young.. AND Tebow would NEVER fall apart mentally like Young.
    Just shows that like system QBs there are system coaches.. Jimmy was obviously the guy getting carried by Aikman and Emmitt.

  7. Physically this guy reminds me of Eric Crouch from Nebraska in terms of a pro prospect. I wouldn’t touch him come draft before the 5th round.

  8. Fullback, nah. WR or Safety, doubtful. He will be either a TE or a QB on a rebuilding team. If Jeff Fisher can make Vince Young a winning QB despite his numbers, someone can make Tim Tebow a winner as well. And it does not need to be a whole new offense or head coach either.

  9. This is why I can’t get REALLY into college football. It’s a totally different game. Here you got a top QB in the country that many people (not just JJ) think can’t make it as a QB in the pros. I don’t understand two things:
    1. Why don’t these college programs implement pro style systems to actually prepare their kids for the next level?
    2. Why do these top recruits out of high school even choose schools that don’t have pro systems?

  10. I’d take a shot on Tebow, even at QB, anyday over the “me-first”, non-working, know it alls that are his competition. You know what you are getting as a leader and considering the numbers he’s put up it’s worth a look. Everyone said he couldn’t throw his Frosh year and look what he’s done. All he’s done is produce(look at his high school passing stats too) and win. The redskins sure could use someone like that on their team, AND IN THEIR LOCKER ROOM.

  11. I’ve been saying this for three years. Tebow isn’t a NFL quarterback. Just look at his footwork, accuracy and throwing motion, it’s downright horrible. H-back is his best bet in the NFL. Anyone drafting this kid early in the first round or even in the first round and going to play him at QB, you’ll get another Jamarcus Russell, a pure bust!!
    Running college quarterbacks aren’t successful in the NFL, you have to be a pocket passer first, runner second, not the other way round..

  12. After watching Vince Young resurrect his career, I think it’s very possible this guy could come in and be a quality qb. No Peyton Manning, but better than half the qbs out there.

  13. boyboy….those are great points and those are the exact points that Lane Kiffin is selling against Urban Cryer in the recruiting battle. Come to Tennessee and then go to the NFL.

  14. Maybe Tebow can be a missionary. Bringing Jeebus to the heathens or something like that. Or he can make millions in the NFL. His soul is in the balance… good vs. evil. Time will tell.

  15. @boyboy
    1. Why don’t these college programs implement pro style systems to actually prepare their kids for the next level?
    2. Why do these top recruits out of high school even choose schools that don’t have pro systems?
    _________________________________
    First off, some systems absolutely do pro style, like USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Georgia, and so on. But some, like Florida do not. And its simple. There are over 300 football programs in NCAA division 1. Thats over 18,000 players in division 1 alone. Only 224 players get drafted in the NFL, with another 30 or so signed as undrafted. Thats 250 players out of over 18,000. So all the time the best college player out of a college only systems does not make it to the NFL. Its college dude, it isn’t a minor league system for the NFL.

  16. I hope no one would expect Tebow to come in and play QB in the NFL for the first couple of years, but if he’s in a QB friendly system and has time to watch and learn for couple seasons I don’t think it’s out of the question that he could play QB. Only problem is if a team takes him in the 1st round he’s probably not going to have the luxury of getting that much time to develop.

  17. @boyboy
    1) College programs are trying to succeed at the college level. They don’t need or want pro style systems most of the time.
    2) Fair question, but if they were really top recruits wouldn’t the top pro system schools have made a play for them?

  18. If Jimmy were still at Dallas they wouldn’t still be looking for their 1st playoff win since 96.
    The guy does know talent.

  19. lol yeah KC_Vols ok..Do you know what Urban “cryer” tells his recruits?? Win the championship and beat the shit out of Tennessee. Can’t spell Citrus bowl without the U and the T. Homo.

  20. He wasn’t sold on Troy Aikman either. Which made him spend the first overall pick on Steve Walsh in the 1989 supplemental draft. Which worked out pretty well, if Jimmy had the #1 overall pick in the 1990 draft he’d have taken Blair Thomas or James Francis instead of having to “settle” for Emmitt Smith.

  21. I would like to recommend that the Redskins hire Urban Meyer and draft Tebow. That way they will have a coach that runs the same exact spread offense and knows how to get the most out of Tebow. This seems to me to be a recipe for success.

  22. SURE!!!! The experts really have a grasp on this??? NOT NOT….They are all speculating, and the bottom line is….A future indicator is past performance….The guy is a winner with obsurd athletic ability…..I would take him all day long…He will certainly prove to all the Knuckleheads that think he cant be successful, that they are Broadcasters now for a reason!
    Good Luck Tebow…….Maybe the Vikings will take him…….SKOL

  23. “VoxVeritas says:
    November 24, 2009 11:36 AM
    He wasn’t sold on Troy Aikman either. Which made him spend the first overall pick on Steve Walsh in the 1989 supplemental draft. Which worked out pretty well, if Jimmy had the #1 overall pick in the 1990 draft he’d have taken Blair Thomas or James Francis instead of having to “settle” for Emmitt Smith.

    I have to agree. Jimmy doesn’t do very well on the offensive side of the ball. Look at all the top round busts he drafted in Miami. Defensive side of the ball is another story.
    We would draft a RB like every year and they would all suck. John Avery, Cecil Collins, Abdul-Jabbar was passable only because he had like 35 carries a game for a 3.0 average.

  24. why dont the Bills hire Johnson as their “football czar” or GM or whatever? also, how can you want Tebow as ur starting QB? you cant trust some1 who is a virgin by choice; the kid is mentally unstable.

  25. If he can be utilized correctly, Tebow will work in the NFL. I think Vince Young is the closest comparison and he’s had his ups and downs and he dont’ think he’s utilized right.
    it’d have to be somewhere unorthodox like Miami or a new team willing to do new stuff, but it could happen.
    he’s a superstar, and superstars will find a way to make it work.

  26. “The guy does know talent.”
    He did when he was fresh out of college with a buttload of high draft picks, anyway. He didn’t draft so well with the Dolphins. Particularly on the offensive side of the ball.

  27. boyboy says: November 24, 2009 11:17 AM
    This is why I can’t get REALLY into college football. It’s a totally different game. Here you got a top QB in the country that many people (not just JJ) think can’t make it as a QB in the pros. I don’t understand two things:
    1. Why don’t these college programs implement pro style systems to actually prepare their kids for the next level?
    2. Why do these top recruits out of high school even choose schools that don’t have pro systems.
    The second question is one only the players can answer. As to the first, a college HC job is to win, not prepare kids for the NFL.

  28. Jacksonville + Grunden + Tebow. I’ve said it to my friends for weeks. Listen to Gruden gush about the Wildcat and he has been studying the spread offense in his down time. Tebow is from JAX and they need something to sell tickets.

  29. I have last years National Championship game recorded and the analysts on the game coverage made some comment aobut Jimmy Johnson saying something negative about Tebow.. it seems Jimmy Johnson was saying Tebow wouldn’t be able to Beat Sam Bradford in that game and he was proven dead wrong. coaches are no better than fans. They can be just as deluded as fans. It’s obvious to be Jimmy was drinking that Big12 koolaid along with all the guys that snubbed Tebow in the Big12. That is probably why he is a Vince Young fan and not a Tebow fan as well.

  30. Lol, I love the comparisons to Vince Young. Vince Young has a cannon compared to Tim Tebow. Tebow should become a full back, or a tight end…..

  31. Gruden is a moron when it comes to rectruiting. Look what he did for the Bucs. He won a superbowl with Dungy’s recruits. Maybe Tebow can join him in the booth making dumb comments.

  32. Does anyone even remember Danny Wuerful(sp), Danny(?) Ware, Frazier in Nebraska, Crouch (who was mentioned above), Greene from UGA, and the many other record setting WINNERS who played QB in college but failed in the NFL?
    There is nothing wrong with being a great college QB. But success or being mediocre in college has really no bearing on what you will be in the NFL.
    You are taking Tebow over Ryan or Flacco in college, but you are taking Ryan and Flacco over Tebow in the NFL.
    So its not a knock on Tebow to say he is not going to translate to the NFL. But he is not going to translate.
    (Anyone see Wes Welker in him?)
    It is a knock to compare him to NFL failures and say he is better then those guys. I mean is it really saying anything to claim Tebow will be better then Jamarcus Russell?

  33. @amm14:
    I would like to recommend that the Redskins hire Steve Spurrier and draft Danny Wueurffel. That way they will have a coach that runs the same exact spread offense and knows how to get the most out of Wueurffel. This seems to me to be a recipe for success.

  34. at dcfan-1212450
    Oklahoma and Texas do NOT run a pro style offense. Almost the entrie Big 12 runs the spread with Nebraska and Kansas State being the only exceptions that come to mind at the moment.
    Mark me down as a Tebow doubter, he seems like a very poor mans McNabb

  35. “””Lol, I love the comparisons to Vince Young. Vince Young has a cannon compared to Tim Tebow. Tebow should become a full back, or a tight end…..”””
    Tebow has nearly the same YPA as Vince Young and Tebow plays against defenses in the SEC 100 times better than Vince Young did in the BIG12.. that was proved last season when Bradford was exposed in the NCG.

  36. Uh…there’s this new thing out in the NFL right now, it’s all the rage, maybe some of you have heard of it….WILDCAT??
    Put Tebow in it and he just might move the sticks for you.

  37. As a Vikings fan, I’d take Tebow to groom..
    Rosenfels, Jackson and Tebow… Might not be traditional, but fun.
    Childress isn’t the right coach though, unless his methods change.

  38. @Redruckus81
    Oklahoma and Texas do NOT run a pro style offense.
    __________________________
    Your right, my bad. Just double checked. I pulled a Florio and put out a comment before double checking something…

  39. I think Tebow could be a great NFL QB if he went to the right team. IMO, almost any elite college player can succeed in the NFL, it’s all about working your ass off, being coachable, and hopefully being utilized correctly. If those three things fall into place for Tebow, he has more than enough skills, running and passing, to be a very good player.

  40. First off Oklahoma and texas use gimmick offenses too. Second living proof of what will happen to Tebow is Alex Smith. an unbeaten assault weapon in college using the spread offense. NOW what is he? sure there are many factors in there contributing to his inconsistency, like Oc’s and protection but the same will happen to tebow if he doesn’t go to 1 of maybe 10 or 12 teams that could wait around and chance him progressing. Anyone else and he will be thrown right in and his career down the toilet. As far as Smith is concerned well he still looks outstanding from the spread, but it takes a lot of weapons to use it as base offense in the nfl and he looks like a turd under center. Yet again a team with that kind of receiving talent to run spread isn’t gonna be shopping for tebow anyway

  41. tebow doesn’t take snaps under center and doesn’t throw a pretty ball – that is what will kill his draft stock as a QB.
    but to say he will fail in the NFL is ludicrous. the guy has intagibles through the roof and a tremendous athletic ability. used as an H-back that will occasionally take snaps for wildcat/change of pace, would be a recipe for success for this guy.
    If i’m Weaver, i’m drafting Tebow for the Jaguars next year. he’ll sell tickets (HUGE need for them), he’s a hometown favorite (think of how well florida games sell when they play in jax), and he’ll bring a leadership to the team.
    he doesn’t have to be your starting QB, but you can find a role for him on the team. his presence alone would be worth it.

  42. Jimmy was obviously the guy getting carried by Aikman and Emmitt.
    ——————————————–
    The single most influential factor of the Cowboys success in the 90s was the best offensive line to ever play the game of football.

  43. “Physically this guy reminds me of Eric Crouch from Nebraska in terms of a pro prospect. I wouldn’t touch him come draft before the 5th round.”
    —Huh? Crouch was 6’0 210, Tebow is 6’3 240. I don’t really see any comparison physically in any way, regardless of how it related to being a “pro-prospect”. I agree Tebow couldn’t be worse than Jamarcus Russell or Vince Young. VY throw a terrible ball just like Tebow.

  44. Well Jimmy. I think yiou’ve lost your brain since moving to the pregame shows. You just don’t seem a very eficient evaluator of talent anymore. Both Gruden and Dungy are sold on him.
    Also, Jimmy mentions that in order for any team to build their entire offense around him it would also take a coaching change. Wll, no kidding. Considering Tebow is going to be drafted in the first few picks, if not first overall entirely, it’s fair to wager that it’s a new head coach running the franchise that gets him anyways. The only exception to this might be the Rams who are going to be wanting a QB but probably aren’t ready to get rid of their coach quite yet.
    I’d love to see Gruden using this guy. It would be potent immediately.

  45. “I don’t want to hear that the son of a [bleep] can’t throw,” an Alabama coach told me later. “Every time he needed to make a big throw against us, he made it. There really isn’t anyone else like him.”

  46. If one more person compares Tebow to Vince Young i might literally throw up. Vince Young is 1000 times better player than Tebow. He was in college and he will be in the NFL. Race has nothing to do with people’s opinion. Im sure of it.

  47. # emulcifier says: November 24, 2009 11:35 AM
    Anyone remember Johnson gushing about Sanchez?
    ——————————————————
    Watch 5 years and see what happens, If i remember right another QB that johnson was right about went 1-15 his first year. you must be too much of a douche to care about that though, right?

  48. This is crazy talk by Jimmy Johnson!!!!!
    Back in the day, no college QB was suitable for the pro style. Then again, it took a couple of years to get NFL-ready.
    As an example of how unready college QBs were back then, take a look at Jim Plunkett’s stats in his senior year at Stanford — you’d be shocked that he won the Heisman that year! And most other QBs who made it in the NFL didn’t come close to Plunkett’s stats.

  49. Vince is nowhere near Tebow not the other way around… Vince couldn’t even win one Heisman and Tebow won one as a sophomore. Colt McCoy is putting up better numbers than Vince Young… and both McCoy and Vince are massively overrated from playing the worst defenses in football. Both of them would have been destroyed running in the SEC.

  50. # ChocoTaco says: November 24, 2009 12:33 PM
    “””Lol, I love the comparisons to Vince Young. Vince Young has a cannon compared to Tim Tebow. Tebow should become a full back, or a tight end…..”””
    Tebow has nearly the same YPA as Vince Young and Tebow plays against defenses in the SEC 100 times better than Vince Young did in the BIG12.. that was proved last season when Bradford was exposed in the NCG.
    ____________________________________
    And, what does the NCG that you reference have to do with arm strength??? Tebow throws well, but he doesnt throw as well as Vince Young (and VY sucks, by the way, Tebow doesnt throw as well as Mike Vick as far as arm strength is concerned…..)

  51. What does anything have to do with arm strength? You can’t gauge arm strength by watching someone pass on TV. Tebow’s problem is taking heat off the ball when throwing not lack of arm strength.. Skip Bayless is an OU homer and he says Tebow has better arm strength than Sam Bradford who was supposed to be the number one pick. Arm strength is NOT a problem for Tebow so why bring it up? Look at Tebow’s passing.. he has been better against better defenses form day one in college.. Vince Young couldn’t even win a Heisman his whole college career and Tebow did it as a sophomore against tougher defenses. Vince lost his Heisman against the worst defense in college football that year in Texas A&M

  52. Hahaha cant wait til Tebow fails in the NFL, i cant wait. All you white guys who are dying for an athletic white QB, here is your shot.
    Vince Young > Tim Tebow……….not even close, sorry.

  53. Unless you are a stout Gators fan, probably realize that Tebow will not be successful NFL QB. I’m not convinced that he will be a successful H-Back, WR or S. Special teams could be landing spot, but teams can fill those spots cheaply and as effectively.

  54. Well, Skip Bayless thinks that Tebow has better arm strength than Bradford, so I guess Tebow is god’s gift to football…….
    All I said, was Young has a stronger arm. Tebow is not going to be able to run in the NFL, it is as simple as that. He is going to have to rely on being a pocket passer, and he isnt going to be able to do that.
    Nobody is going to know the outcome, until it happens. You discredit everyone that thinks Tebow is going to suck, by comparing him to Young. Guess what, Young sucks too. You act like you know for a fact, that Tebow will be a winner in the NFL, maybe he will, maybe he wont. But you dont know that, and neither does anyone else. Get off your high horse, it is simply a conversation about what everyone’s opinion is……..douche bag. When Tebow is Super Bowl MVP, league MVP, etc you can gloat, until then, your opinion is no more accurate, or important than anyone elses

  55. You forget that everyone was saying Tebow would never be able to play his style in the SEC.. and not only did he do it he won the Heisman doing it.. Everyone acts like Vince Young is some incredible athlete.. yet he runs the 40 in the same time as Tebow and Beanie Wells… Vince groupies also ignore the fact that Colt McCoy is putting up better numbers than Vince Young against the same competition. And Sam Bradford is at least as good as hoe guys and was completely exposed against an SEC defense.. Vince never faced one decent defense his entire college career. If he did he would have been exposed like Colt Brennan against Georgia. Even now all he has proved is that he is better than Kerry Collins. If guys like Vince and Garrard can be successful in the NFL Tebow is going to blow the roof off the dump.

  56. Moose Johnston
    Steve Wisniewski
    Troy Aikman
    Emmitt Smith
    Leon Lett
    Erik Williams
    Russell Maryland
    Darren Woodson
    Zach Thomas
    Jason Taylor
    I think he did Ok.

  57. People don’t realize that the game is changing.. you really think there are not good passing QBs around to fill positions on NFL teams? Yet why are Qb’s so weak around the league? Why are the Dolphins running the Wildcat so much? The reason is that NFL defenses are far stronger than they have ever been.. this is why guys like Tebow, Vick, McNabbb, Garrard and Roethlisberger are so successful in today’s game.
    So you have 2 things happening.. pure pocket passers are not as effective as they once were.. and athletes are becoming more versatile and skilled like Tebow. Basically what has happened is that defenses have advance dramatically and offenses have become stagnant. They should be embracing a guy like Tebow not doubting him. But guys like Jimmy Johnson are too mired in the past to understand that. He seems to be biased against the SEC too.
    The Cowboys owner even said his scouts thought Tebow was an NFL QB…

  58. Let’s face it, these powerhouse colleges get THE top players in the country to join their programs. They’re going to win regardless of what type of system they put in place. It’s a disservice for these kids who are physically gifted enough to make play in the NFL if you don’t get them prepared. So why not implement a pro style system?
    And what better way to continue to get top recruits then having a proven track record of putting players into the pros? So, there is an incentive for these colleges to run pro style systems. Lane Kiffin is really onto something in Tennessee.
    I guess for schools like Florida, it doesn’t matter. Kids just want to go to Florida. Nevermind the fact that Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerfel, and Rex Grossman all were flops in the NFL. Until these recruits stop choosing to become Gators and until these NFL teams learn their lesson about drafting these players, then nothing will change.

  59. I love how cmoney contradicts himself in back to back posts. His first post he states that race has nothing to do with anyones opinion. And then on his second post he makes a comment about race. Your University of Phoenix Education is coming in real handy there dude.
    Then, in an attempt to get all cute and pretentious, he tries to make about about us “dying for an athletic quarterback.” Yeah because athletic quarterbacks like Vick and your boyfriend Vince Young put up these incredible passing numbers and win superbowls every year right?? Thats ok, I think we’ll stick to guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady or Drew Brees etc etc. You may have heard of em. Thanks for playing fukstick

  60. The problem isn’t college (spread) offenses.. the problem is NFL (pros style) offenses.. more teams should be using athletic QBs.. and they should be using them better. The pocket passing system is a GIMMICK that is no longer as effective. Look at Peyton Manning.. far and away th best passing QB in the game.. yet only one championship. Why is that? It’s because pure pocket passing is a gimmick that doesn’t work. This is why Tebow is the prototype for QBs now.. not Manning. IF you have the perfect team around a Manning you can dominate still.. but it’s impossible to build a team like that in this era. This is why Manning will get beat by a good defense in the playoffs.

  61. # ChocoTaco says: November 24, 2009 5:12 PM
    The problem isn’t college (spread) offenses.. the problem is NFL (pros style) offenses.. more teams should be using athletic QBs.. and they should be using them better. The pocket passing system is a GIMMICK that is no longer as effective. Look at Peyton Manning.. far and away th best passing QB in the game.. yet only one championship. Why is that? It’s because pure pocket passing is a gimmick that doesn’t work. This is why Tebow is the prototype for QBs now.. not Manning. IF you have the perfect team around a Manning you can dominate still.. but it’s impossible to build a team like that in this era. This is why Manning will get beat by a good defense in the playoffs.
    That has to be close to the most MORONIC thing I’ve read in my life. I don’t like Manning, but he will be in the top 10, possibly top 5 to ever play the game. He is the best there is now and will be for some time to come. The colts as a whole have a tendency to choke. It’s not because manning is unsuccessful.

  62. There’s very few RUNNING qb’s with a championship at all. In fact you can count them on 1 hand. Steve Young is the only one that was actually great, and HOF. I bet this is a real heart breaker to cmoney, but guess what he was WHITE! HAHAHA

  63. BTW Vick Mcnabb and Garrard combine for ZERO championships. Roethlisberger yet another WHITE athletic qb has 2. I still don’t see where white people are praying for that white athletic qb. Considering all of the superbowl WINNERS and league mvp’s are white as well. god cmoney that must hurt. Vick can’t throw. Mcnabb is by far the best of the rest and he still hasn’t gotten the job done, and he never will

  64. josh who? lol smith at least has some legit excuses. no receivers, new coordinator every year and no protection, but he still is only worth a damn in the spread

  65. “Hahaha cant wait til Tebow fails in the NFL, i cant wait. All you white guys who are dying for an athletic white QB, here is your shot.”
    Tony Romo’s pretty athletic. Plus he’s got an arm and is very accurate and is not as dumb as a stump (talking to you VY, McNabb, and Vick). Of course he’s not “white” per se though he’s got pretty fair skin.

  66. “Moose Johnston
    Steve Wisniewski
    Troy Aikman
    Emmitt Smith
    Leon Lett
    Erik Williams
    Russell Maryland
    Darren Woodson
    Zach Thomas
    Jason Taylor”
    Like I said, he did pretty well fresh out of college with abuttload of picks but thanks for proving my point about him in Miami. Four drafts and you come up with only two names?

  67. “Watch 5 years and see what happens, If i remember right another QB that johnson was right about went 1-15 his first year.”
    Aikman was at the top of every team’s draft board, including Landry’s before he was fired. Johnson hedged his bets by drafting Steve Walsh, which cost the Cowboys the #1 overall pick in the 1990 draft.

  68. lol nice one youngtorice. You are, dare I say, right on the “money” with that one. Ironic how the only running qb that was HOF material and able to win a superbowl was Steve Young, and hes as white as wonder bread. cmoney is a toolbag.
    I was actually agreeing with most of chocotacos previous comments and then he reels off one of the single dumbest posts ever. “pocket passing is a gimmick.” Oh..my..god..I can’t believe an alleged football fan would say something like this. Choco has immediately discredited himself from that conversation. Bill Cowhers chin ftw.
    You win in the NFL by having pocket awareness, being able to read defenses, having the courage to stay in the pocket and “look down the gun barrel” to make your throw after your third read on a play before you get slammed to the turf. Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Brady, John Elway, Dan Marino, Manning, Montana, Unitas, Bradshaw and on and on and on. You wanna be great, play like those guys. It’s been like that for 75 yrs and it will be like that until humans are extinct from this freaking earth

  69. “””That has to be close to the most MORONIC thing I’ve read in my life.”””
    You are conditioned by the past. You aren’t using common sense though.. It’s not Manning’s fault.. it’s gotten nothing to do with him really.. it’s defenses. In the past pocket passing systems could dominate because there was a discrepency between talent on offense and defense.. NO MORE though. Defenses are just as atheltic and just as well prepared. Look at Tom Brady and the Patriots.. their offense was COMPLETELY dominant the year the Giants beat them in the Superbowl. Yet he got beat by Eli Manning.. why? Because Eli was better? No! Because the Giants had the better defense and running game. Even with Brady, Bellichick.. a stellar Oline and Moss.. still not enough. Look how Brady got SAVAGED in that game.. that PROVES defenses have a huge edge. The reason is because POCKET passers ARE a gimmick. They rely on all the different elements of the offense to be successful.. line.. QB.. system, receivers.. runners.. if you have a weak link the defense has the edge because the QB is not a threat to run.. this is why running QBs have the edge in this era. With a pure passing Qb that can’t run you are playing one man short… With Tebow who can run power and finesse it is like having 2 extra guys on the field compared to a pure passer.
    You are blinded by the history of the game.. the same way old school coaches have their head buried in the sand.
    And to say running QBs aren’t successful because they don’t have championships is ignorant. There are only a couple teams with the cajones to use a running Qb.. and they aren’t using them anywhere near their potential.. also.. there are only a couple running Qbs even cultivated unlike pro style Qbs.. cultivate more running Qbs.. use them properly and I bet they are superior to passing Qbs in this era. The fact people are even using running QBs shows there is something changing here..

  70. He’s a competitor and a warrior, he’ll find a niche somewhere in the NFL….I’ve got a feeling the Pats will use a pick on him.

  71. Choco,
    If running quarterbacks don’t win championships in the NFL, it must be because they are not being used properly . . .
    Therefore: Running quarterbacks who are used properly win in the NFL, in theory.(your theory being, running quarterbacks should win because they are fast)
    Nice circular logic.
    Roethlisberger, Manning, Manning, Roethlisberger, Brady, Brady, Johnson, Brady, Dilfer, Warner, Elway, Elway, Favre, Aikman, Young, Aikman, Aikman, Rypien, Hosteltler, Montana, Montana etc. . .
    While not every team wins a Super Bowl because it has a pocket quarterback, only one team has ever won a Super Bowl with a scrambler, and he was the best scrambler of all time.
    One reason why: passing plays generate more yards than running plays. Good passing teams have better offenses. Read what Gregg Easterbrook has to say on the matter:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/091124&sportCat=nfl

  72. ChocoTaco says:
    “this is why guys like Tebow, Vick, McNabbb, Garrard and Roethlisberger are so successful in today’s game.”
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    You need to step away from the Kool-Aid. Tebow is NOT “so successful in today’s game.” The boy is still in college–not to be mentioned in the same sentence with any pro QB.
    It remains to be seen what, if anything, Tebow will be in the NFL. If I’m drafting, I DO NOT want a QB who doesn’t take snaps from center and who has more rushing TDs than Herschel Walker. I want a pocket passer because THIS IS THE NFL. Should the NFL change to accommodate Tim Tebow? Absolutely. And leprechauns should drop off their pot of gold on my doorstep. Can Tim Tebow change to meet the needs of an NFL offense? Possibly. The question isn’t so much “Can he change?” as “Will he?” He’s had four years of adulation from the local and national press calling him The Greatest QB Ever to Play the Game. Will a guy who’s been told over and over that he’s the best to ever play think he needs to change? That’s the question.
    Tight end, maybe. Time will tell.

  73. I am telling you man.. the game has changed… but people in the NFL are NOT innovative. The college game is a looking glass to the future of the NFL. People said Tebow and Meyers offense would not be successful in the SEC and look at them dominate. You think this is just a fluke? You are deluding yourself. The same offensive and defensive parity that allows Tebow to dominate college is the same offensive and defense parity in the NFL that has completely diminished the effectiveness of pocket passers. Pocket passing si a gimmick.. believe it or not.. I am not saying a running Qb doesn’t need to throw.. I am saying a pocket QB HAS to be able to run.. and they cannot be protected in todays game… the NFL has already taken steps to protect pocket passers.. and they are STILL getting beaten up too much.. this is definitive proof of what I am saying..

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