McKenzie says Saints "put a little doubt in Brady's mind"

Based on the manner in which he was flying around the field and making plays roughly a week after rejoining the Saints, we wondered aloud (Twitter style), “How was Mike McKenzie available in November?

But he was, and the Saints benefited greatly from a guy who showed up, adapted to a defensive coordinator who wasn’t with the team when McKenzie last played for it, made three tackles, intercepted a pass, and broke up a key fourth-down throw to Randy Moss.

So how were the Saints able to hold the Pats to only three more than they scored against the Giants during Super Bowl XLII?

“Our coaching staff did a tremendous job of mixing things up, and I
think we put a little doubt in [quarterback Tom] Brady’s mind,” McKenzie told Dennis Dillon of Sporting News Today after the game.

The best way to put doubt in Brady’s mind, as the Giants demonstrated in February 2008, is to put pressure on him.  With the offensive line not keeping bodies away from Brady, he simply wasn’t able to spot the open man and wind up and deliver the ball in a spot where it could be caught.

It also helps to have guys like McKenzie in the defensive backfield, especially when McKenzie already is playing like he played in the best days of his playing career. 

Plenty of other coaches and front offices have to be wondering how in the hell no one else noticed McKenzie can still play.

68 responses to “McKenzie says Saints "put a little doubt in Brady's mind"

  1. Can anybody explain to me why the Patriots abandoned the run after the first drive?
    I saw how banged up the OL was with Light and Neal going in and out, but was that enough reason? The pass blocking was horribly broken the whole night.
    Only way to beat the Saints is to slow them down.

  2. Mike Bell got dinged in the 4th quarter last night, maybe they’ll bring back Deuce and make him look like a superstar, too.

  3. And I am really beginning to wonder whether Belichick has an ego problem – why does he not bring in experienced assistant coaches?
    And being a whole different situation than against the COlts, going for it instead of opting for the chip shot field goald which would have cut the lead to 11 was stupid. All three previous downs the pocket collapsed in the moment the ball was snapped – how the hell do you think you will get positive yardage on that one?
    Always going for it is about as stupid as never going for it (albeit TMQ would disagree).

  4. Once again, some player has ONE good game and now the media will go on and on about him. Maybe McKenzie and Dennis Dixon can sit next to each other on their way to the Pro Bowl. Quit acting like a damned meatball.

  5. Ah another one: Special Teams.
    Was that intentionally that Gostkowski never kicked the ball deep on Kickoffs to prevent a return? ANY friggin return went over the 20, why didn’t they just kick it for the touchback? Gostkowski usually has the leg strength, or is he banged up as well.
    If not, horrible coaching effort by the Pats top to bottom, even though with that OL performance, they could have played a hundred years and never would have beaten the Saints.
    I really hope it was injuries on the OL.

  6. I know what you’re saying bearsrule but the guy had one heck of a game for being out until week 11.
    He was jumping routes and making big plays all night so hats off to him.
    Take it easy Patriots fans that all of a sudden are questioning Belichick’s integrity. He can only coach, he cannot play solid defense or throw the ball to open receivers.
    And besides, if he feels it will give the team the best chance to win, Romeo & Weiss would both be back within the next week.

  7. The bloom is off the rose for the Patriots. It will be interesting to see how fast their bandwagon fans stop supporting them. It will happen sooner rather than later. Until they won their first SB, they didn’t have much of a reliable fan base anyway. They certainly didn’t have an over the top mouthy fan base.
    They will no longer be a big market team regardless of how much ESPN appears to prop them up. No matter how much they kiss Bellichik’s ass.
    The Patriots had a good run, but now their time has past. Their only saving grace is that they are in a division with three teams that are not exactly top-notch. The only competition they have for the foreseeable future is the Fins. Buffalo is a mess, and the Jets can’t keep their collective mouths shut.
    Giving up and pulling players before the game ends is pretty low class, and a defeatist attitude. That speaks volumes about the Patriots future. It makes me wonder how much longer Brady and/or Bellichik will be with the Patriots.

  8. Are people still questioning why Belichick went for it on 4th and 2??? This defense is terrible. They cant pressure the qb. They cant tackle in the open field. The db’s cant cover a phone booth. They have no playmakers (big hits are nice, but they never cause fumbles, and only make interceptions when they ball is thrown right to them)………..

  9. “Actually Florio the Giants held the Pats to 14 points in the Superbowl. 3 fewer than the Saints.”
    “how were the Saints able to hold the Pats to only three more than they scored against the Giants during Super Bowl XLII?”
    ————————————————-
    Only a Dolphins fan would say something that stupid.
    It’s the same thing, numbnuts.

  10. New Orleans looks like a powerhouse this year. If the Vikes can’t derail them then I think they win it all. Only a team playing incredible defense has a shot… and there really isn’t one of those this season.

  11. Wow – the Patriots aren’t very good anymore. That is right up there with anyone who thinks the Steelers can get a 1 for Dixon when guys like Cassel and Hasselbeck couldn’t pry a 1 from anyone in the league.

  12. @ PervyHarvin:
    Right. All teams suck except your precious Vikings. Saints are overrated, Colts are overrated, Patriots are overrated, blah blah blah.
    Give us a break. Tell me, when was the last game where Favre played a good game in January? You’ll probably point to the GB/Seattle game in ’07, to which I’ll respond that Ryan Grant absolutely carried them to victory that day.
    Please, tell me when Favre came up clutch in January, and give me a reason to think he’ll do anything other than fall on his face come playoff time.

  13. Hmmm… maybe the Patriots just aren’t as good as everybody THINKS they are. They play in a very week division (they are the only team above .500). Have only 2 wins against teams with winning records, and both of those teams are only a single game over .500.
    Seems to me they just aren’t as good as when they cheated. Too bad the press won’t own up to this fact.
    And you Patriot apologists, yes, i know they went 16-0 when they didn’t cheat, but for one game. But that season, they had the easiest schedule of any team in recent memory and since then they haven’t been able to duplicate that “greatness” or come close. And unless they have another “great” season, it was simply an anomaly. Get over it. Your team just isn’t as great as they think they are. They never have been. And probably never will.

  14. “Can anybody explain to me why the Patriots abandoned the run after the first drive?”
    Ummm, yeah;
    A) Once N.O. took the lead (not after the first drive, but not long after, either) the ground game wasn’t going to score points. You obviously don’t run the ball trying to play “catch up”.
    B) Maroney had a couple of solid runs at first, then remembered he’s Laurence Maroney.
    It was clear early on that New England’s plan was controlling the ball while burning the clock, keep Brees off the field. They did keep him off the field somewhat, but when he was on it, man was he effective. You can run the ball and burn the clock all you want, but sooner or later dude is going to get the ball and when Brees did, he torched them like they were the Jets.
    I kept hoping early on, when Maroney was effective, that Brady would throw deep to Moss to keep them honest ….. didn’t happen until way too late.
    This game was easier to swallow than the SB loss, because the superiority of the Saints became clear pretty early, but it was a shock to see the way they handled the Patriots on both sides of the ball. Bellichick really was outcoached last night, but he learned some valuable lessons if they’re going to face N.O. in the post season.

  15. ’72 Dolphins buzz if Saints and Colts advance in NFC and AFC Championship games with unblemished records?
    Last words of cocktail waitress on February 7, 2010: “Excuse me Mr. Kuechenberg, would you care for some champagne while you’re enjoying the game?”

  16. @PervyHarvin
    I guess we will just have to wait for the NFC Champ game to find out who will win. A game that will be played in the Superdome. Hope to see you there???

  17. Dont forget that the Saints are cheaters too.
    Why didnt the the players get suspended.
    The NFL wants the Saints to win.
    What other team gets away with so much holding and illegal contact?

  18. This game demonstrated two things: (1) the Patriots just aren’t an elite team any more; and (2) the Saints are. It’s looking more and more like a Colts/Saints Super Bowl, as painful as that is to say.

  19. @whatdiga: Pats played the NFC East that year (yup, that is the one with the Giants, Eagles, Cowboys and Redskins), as well as Ravens, Chargers, Colts.
    Easy?

  20. More gems from Filbertkiwi71:
    >>>Filbertkiwi71 says:
    “The bloom is off the rose for the Patriots. It will be interesting to see how fast their bandwagon fans stop supporting them. It will happen sooner rather than later.”
    ^^^^^
    Any real fans of a team are glad when the bandwagon jumpers flee. And, guess what, news flash, for the bandwagon hoppers, who jump from team to team, that train left the station week 1 last year.
    >>>Filbertkiwi71 says:
    “Until they won their first SB, they didn’t have much of a reliable fan base anyway. They certainly didn’t have an over the top mouthy fan base.”
    ^^^^^
    Until they won their first SB, they had sold out the *worst stadium in the league* for eight (8) years running. The missed the playoffs three (3) of those years. Some lousy fan support, eh?
    If I’m not mistaken, you’re a Charger fan? Some moxie you have calling out another fan base. Unreal.
    >>>Filbertkiwi71 says:
    “They will no longer be a big market team regardless of how much ESPN appears to prop them up. No matter how much they kiss Bellichik’s ass.”
    ^^^^^
    Don’t know who cares about this, or why it matters. BTW, if you haven’t figured out by now that it’s spelled “B-e-l-i-c-h-i-c-k”, then you really shouldn’t bother commenting at all. Get a clue.
    >>>Filbertkiwi71 says:
    “Giving up and pulling players before the game ends is pretty low class, and a defeatist attitude. That speaks volumes about the Patriots future. It makes me wonder how much longer Brady and/or Bellichik will be with the Patriots.”
    ^^^^^
    So if they play 60 minutes with their starters, you, and the collective hater nation, crucify Belichick (note the spelling). If they pull the starters 55 minutes in when the outcome is clear, you crucify them. This is confusing.

  21. bearsrule says: December 1, 2009 8:42 AM
    Once again, some player has ONE good game and now the media will go on and on about him. Maybe McKenzie and Dennis Dixon can sit next to each other on their way to the Pro Bowl. Quit acting like a damned meatball.
    ———————–
    One game wonder or not….. McKenzie would still be a significant upgrade to the Bears secondary. Hell, he’ d probably even be an upgrade if they played him at QB!

  22. @ hayward giablommi- So what if I think my Vikings are the cream of the league? Jaws,Collinsworth and many NFL analysts think the same. Not like I am alone. You just have a puckered ass because the Patriots team of dominance is dead. You had a good run chum,deal with it!
    You sound as dumb as the jealous Pack fans saying Favre’s arm will magically fall off and we will be screwed. Favre got some rap in outdoor games which is still bull imo. Any one with half a brain knows the SuperBowl NFC road is in a dome and Brett is quite comfy in one thank you.
    Why will he do better?do you see the Vikings ? They spread the ball just as good as the Saints any day. Unlike the Patriots,we have a qb smashing defense. I think the Saints are for real,but weapon for weapon I will match us up anytime. Brees will see what pressure is like. What getting the run game stuffed is like. And I would take AD,Chester,Rice,Harvin,Shiancoe,Berrian and Favre over them any day. Not to mention our O line.
    Keep hating. The world will see in January.

  23. McKenzie was there for a reason. He did his job well and MOSS sucks. I think he was more worried about Sharper on his double teams. But I will say this Maroney is a hell of a runner and have always liked him. He flat backed both Harper and Sharper for big gains. But all and all. WHO DAT!!!!

  24. Filbertkiwi, what are you talking about???? They didnt have much of a fan base before winning their first Super Bowl? Are you serious, the Patriots have sold out every game, I’ll repeat, every game, since 1994 (that includes every game in 94). They won their first SB in 2002 (2001 season). That is 8 years of sellouts before their first SB. Obviously they arent the Packers, with 50 friggin years of sellouts, but you act like they started selling tickets in 2002………
    And, ESPN hates the Patriots. They were the ones shouting the loudest against the Pats and Spygate and all of that crap. Tom Jackson and Mark Schlareth wake up every morning just so that they can find something about New England that they hate…….
    As far as their time being over, I think you are over stating it a bit. New England’s problem is the fact that their secondary is full of players with no experience. If anything, their future looks promising, not all doom and gloom like you think. And yes, they do suck right now on defense (hence 4th and friggin 2 against the Colts)
    And why is every decision that Belichick makes, classless??? Pulling Tom Brady, who was getting drilled all night, with 5 minutes to play is smart, not classless. Why risk getting him hurt if you dont have to? Using that line of thinking, that means Tony Dungy has no class, because he barely played Manning and the starters for the last 3 weeks of the season, for the last 5+ years, once the Colts looked up the division, home field, etc…….
    Let me guess, Belichick was also classless, because he interrupted Suzy Kolber’s post game interview with Drew Brees, so that he could congratulate Brees on a great game……

  25. Man the Vikings fans are getting nervous about the Saints. You can tell from the posts I’ve seen in this article and another. The Pats and Colts are overrated? Excuse me but let’s take a look at your precious Vikings schedule…….
    Browns and Rams 1-10
    Lions x2 2-9
    Seattle and Chicago 4-7
    49ers 5-6
    Steelers and Ravens 6-5
    Green Bay x2 7-4
    That’s a combined record of 45-76. They rocked Green Bay twice because Farve was out for the big F U. However, they got beat by Pittsburgh, escaped Baltimore with a last second choke job by the kicker and a miracle last second TD by the kicker.
    Sorry about ranting, but I’m getting so sick of this sense of entitlement from Vikings fans. You guys are by far the second best team in the NFC, but christ you guys act like you are the greatest team ever.

  26. @firesnake-
    The NFC east is WAY overrated. The Cowboys and Giants are over hyped EVERY year. The only consistent team in the Division are the Eagles. And the Redskins, well, we all know the situation there.
    Yes, the Giants went to the Superbowl that year and beat the Patriots, but they got hot at the right time, in the playoffs. (Don’t forget they dropped 2 of their last 3 games and barely made it into the playoffs)
    As for the AFC teams, they played 3 good teams. And won 3 good games. Which can happen for any good team during the course of a season. That leaves 11 gimmies for them. No other team has had that type of easy road. It was like they were a college team who really only had to show up for a couple of games.
    Is that their fault? No. It’s not. But they receive too much credit for going 18-1. It’s as bad as the teams at the top of the BCS bowl who are undefeated, but have only played against 1 or 2 good teams.

  27. “What other team gets away with so much holding and illegal contact?”
    I hate to sound like sour grapes, but it was ridiculous and obvious how much the Saints D was getting away with. Didn’t really change the flow of the game (the Pat’s defense was just as ineffective as their offense, for one) but it really was off the charts stupid what they were getting away with.

  28. @PervyHarvin; In no way have the Vikings displayed anything like the total mastery over a decent team like New Orleans did last night. Not even close. But you are correct in that you have every right to be an unapologetic homer.

  29. @hayward giablommi
    People have been saying since the start of the season all the problems that Favre would have. Guess what buttnugget. Not a single one of those problems has come true, and Favre is having a season like he has never had before. Even Vikings fans have got to be surprised. Who would have thought that Favre’s name would be talked about when considering the league MVP!
    All you and the rest of the Favre haters have left is how he will fall apart in January. Well, guess what, I doubt any serious fan believes that at this point. None of the previous predictions have come true (3 TOTAL int’s for the season so far). I have serious doubts anything bad is gonna happen the rest of the year!
    SKOL!

  30. Bobby McShanklebee says:
    December 1, 2009 10:07 AM
    You guys are by far the second best team in the NFC
    ===================================
    Thanks for the laugh. Being hated is a good thing. Vikings are very capable of beating the Saints. We are the most physical team in the league. And explosive. Sure you don’t even watch the Vikings play. Oh yah,that GreenBay team we hacked twice has the top rated D in the league.

  31. “Actually Florio the Giants held the Pats to 14 points in the Superbowl. 3 fewer than the Saints.”
    “how were the Saints able to hold the Pats to only three more than they scored against the Giants during Super Bowl XLII?
    ————————————————-
    Only a Dolphins fan would say something that stupid.
    It’s the same thing, numbnuts.”
    Hey Richm2256, the article originally said that the Saints held the Patriots to the SAME score as the Giants in the Superbowl. I was merely pointing out the error to Florio.
    So next time make sure you know what you’re talking about before you start calling people names.

  32. @PervyHarvin
    I don’t know if you’ve realized it, but the Vikings defense is pretty mediocre and the O-line hasn’t been as awesome as you make it out to be. If that’s the case, then why is Peterson’s YPC down every year since his rookie season? I thought having a legit QB would take the focus off Peterson? Why do they still have a terrible secondary with such a “viscious” pass rush? How do you expect that to be an asset against a team like the Saints? If the defense is so QB smashing, why are they ranked so bad against the pass, even with the benefit of playing against a bunch of weak teams? Hell, 7.5 of Jared Allen’s 12.5 sacks came against 2nd and 3rd string tackles for the Packers who were actually guards and never even started a game at LT. The 2 against the Bears? Their tackles are even worse.

  33. hayward giablommi says:
    December 1, 2009 9:29 AM
    @ PervyHarvin:
    Right. All teams suck except your precious Vikings. Saints are overrated, Colts are overrated, Patriots are overrated, blah blah blah.
    Give us a break. Tell me, when was the last game where Favre played a good game in January? You’ll probably point to the GB/Seattle game in ’07, to which I’ll respond that Ryan Grant absolutely carried them to victory that day.
    Please, tell me when Favre came up clutch in January, and give me a reason to think he’ll do anything other than fall on his face come playoff time.
    _________
    Only a MORON like YOU and your fellow Pats chump fans would fail to see that a HEALTHY Favre will be just fine in January. So, while I’m not a big fan of his due to his penchant to waffle regarding his retirement plans in the past, even I have to admit that he is having the best season of his career…a much better season than the overrated Tom Brady, for instance.
    Speaking of Brady, one more loss and he matches Matt Cassel’s record from last season…for all of you Pats fan fools who spent all of this season trying to claim that Brady was going to do so much better and that the Pats were going to be so good this season. Eat crow, Pats fan LOSERS. LMFAO!!!!!!!!

  34. DolFan Dan says:
    December 1, 2009 10:26 AM
    “Actually Florio the Giants held the Pats to 14 points in the Superbowl. 3 fewer than the Saints.”
    “how were the Saints able to hold the Pats to only three more than they scored against the Giants during Super Bowl XLII?
    ————————————————-
    Only a Dolphins fan would say something that stupid.
    It’s the same thing, numbnuts.”
    Hey Richm2256, the article originally said that the Saints held the Patriots to the SAME score as the Giants in the Superbowl. I was merely pointing out the error to Florio.
    So next time make sure you know what you’re talking about before you start calling people names.
    _________
    DolFan Dan, please excuse PoorMORON2256 and the rest of the New England/Boston RETAHDS…they can’t help being ignorant and stupid…they were born that way. Must be something in the water up there or something. LMFAO!!!
    Good luck to your Fins next week…keep the Pats beatdown coming. Heck, if the Jets can beat them once, then so can your Fins. LMAO!!!!

  35. Richm2256 says:
    December 1, 2009 9:35 AM
    “Can anybody explain to me why the Patriots abandoned the run after the first drive?”
    Ummm, yeah;
    A) Once N.O. took the lead (not after the first drive, but not long after, either) the ground game wasn’t going to score points. You obviously don’t run the ball trying to play “catch up”.
    B) Maroney had a couple of solid runs at first, then remembered he’s Laurence Maroney.
    It was clear early on that New England’s plan was controlling the ball while burning the clock, keep Brees off the field. They did keep him off the field somewhat, but when he was on it, man was he effective. You can run the ball and burn the clock all you want, but sooner or later dude is going to get the ball and when Brees did, he torched them like they were the Jets.
    I kept hoping early on, when Maroney was effective, that Brady would throw deep to Moss to keep them honest ….. didn’t happen until way too late.
    This game was easier to swallow than the SB loss, because the superiority of the Saints became clear pretty early, but it was a shock to see the way they handled the Patriots on both sides of the ball. Bellichick really was outcoached last night, but he learned some valuable lessons if they’re going to face N.O. in the post season.
    ________________
    NO WAY are the mediocre Pats going to be facing the Saints in the postseason. Brace yourself for a ONE-AND-DONE this year, fool…and 9nly because the rest of the AFC Least can’t mount any challenge to your weak ass team this year.
    And as for the swallowing, I hear you New England guys like to swallow the sword and the result as well. Must be why so many guys there are marrying each other as sanctioned by the laws up there. LMFAO!!!!!

  36. Looks like we are going to get an all ‘roid monster NFC championship game. Sorry , an all(unpunished)’roid monster NFC game. Guess we’ll just have to put an asterix on the winner. Enjoy the bullseye Saints and Vikings.

  37. scomibord says:
    December 1, 2009 9:40 AM
    @PervyHarvin
    I guess we will just have to wait for the NFC Champ game to find out who will win. A game that will be played in the Superdome. Hope to see you there???
    ===================================Be careful what you wish for!!

  38. @ PervyHarvin:
    The Vikings are a top 5 team, no doubt. Probably even top 3. If Favre magically is playing in February, once I clean the vomit off my shoes, I will give him all the credit in the world.
    But you seemed to sidestep my question of ‘when did Favre last play a good game in January’? And that’s probably because, despite your sand-head-burial routine, you know, deep down, that he is an epic choke artist come January, capable of sabotaging even the most complete team’s season. Other than # 4, who on Minnesota has any playoff experience (wins)? Anyone?
    BTW, playing in a dome didn’t help him in 2001, when he artfully threw an epic 6 INT game in St. Louis, and playing on his home field didn’t help in 2002 (first home playoff loss in GB history), 2004 or 2007. Food for thought…

  39. I told all you Belichick ball washers in here how his Richard Seymour trade would impact this team when playing against the leagues better offenses.
    I told you all that both Manning and Brees would hang 5 touchdowns or more of this mirage of a Patriots defense.
    Where are you Patriots defense defenders now? Where are those defensive statistics now that aren’t so highly based on Kerry Collins and Josh Johnson mistakes? Uh-huh…that’s what I thought.

  40. “So how were the Saints able to hold the Pats to only three more than they scored against the Giants during Super Bowl XLII?”
    1. It’s simply not the same Pats team.
    2. This Pats team average about 13 less points than the 2007 edition.
    3. This Pats team has a weaker defense, thus less chances with the ball.
    Not rocket science.

  41. whatdiga says:
    December 1, 2009 9:31 AM
    And you Patriot apologists, yes, i know they went 16-0 when they didn’t cheat, but for one game. But that season, they had the easiest schedule of any team in recent memory and since then they haven’t been able to duplicate that “greatness” or come close. And unless they have another “great” season, it was simply an anomaly. Get over it. Your team just isn’t as great as they think they are. They never have been. And probably never will.
    Seriously dude? I mean REALLY?
    The 2007 Patriots actually had a very difficult schedule. TEN of their 19 games came against teams that either made the playoffs or won 10 games. That’s more than half of their schedule against quality competition. They played (and beat) every good team in the league that year except Green Bay. They beat Indy, San Diego (twice), Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Dallas, and the Giants. The only contender they didn’t play was Green Bay.
    Now if you want to talk about the 2008 schedule fine. That one was easy but the 2007 schedule was anything but.

  42. Nice to see Brady is consistent…consistently a sore loser. No post game hand shake w. Brees and the rest of the Saints players & coaches!?! It is nice to see Brady proudly carrying on the Patri*ts tradition of dealing poorly w. adversity.

  43. hayward giablommi – Are you telling me that the Saints are full of playoff tested guys?/ Hope not.
    We got Hutch.Favre. Longwell.
    Favre has his best team ever. Past don’t count son.

  44. “I told all you Belichick ball washers in here how his Richard Seymour trade would impact this team when playing against the leagues better offenses. ”
    ^^^^^
    If you watched the game last night, which you clearly must not have, you’d know that it was the secondary that was the problem, not the front 7.
    If you watched any games, you’d know that Jarvis Green and/or Mike Wright are very good players who could start for most NFL teams.
    If you had a clue, you’d know that a rebuilding defense would be wise to trade a starter for an upcoming top-10 pick, rather than have him playing out a contract before leaving for no compensation at the end of the year.
    Don’t even waste your time responding, because I already know what your response will be, and that it somehow involves Tommy Vardell. You are doing a pretty lousy job of trolling.

  45. hayward giablommi says:
    December 1, 2009 11:55 AM
    “I told all you Belichick ball washers in here how his Richard Seymour trade would impact this team when playing against the leagues better offenses. ”
    ^^^^^
    If you watched the game last night, which you clearly must not have, you’d know that it was the secondary that was the problem, not the front 7.
    If you watched any games, you’d know that Jarvis Green and/or Mike Wright are very good players who could start for most NFL teams.
    If you had a clue, you’d know that a rebuilding defense would be wise to trade a starter for an upcoming top-10 pick, rather than have him playing out a contract before leaving for no compensation at the end of the year.
    Don’t even waste your time responding, because I already know what your response will be, and that it somehow involves Tommy Vardell. You are doing a pretty lousy job of trolling.
    ________
    And if YOU watched the game last night, haywoodjablowtheentirepatsteam, YOU would know that NO defensive backs, Pats or otherwise, can defend WRs indefinitely without a decent pass rush (which is the fault of the front seven). But then again, you lame ass Pats fans never let simple things like FACTS get in the way of your pathetic drivel.
    As for “trolling”, you Pats fans are the most pathetic trolls on the Internet…as well as the most HYPOCRITICAL.
    GFY, haywoodjablowtheentirepatsteam.

  46. “Nice to see Brady is consistent…consistently a sore loser. No post game hand shake w. Brees and the rest of the Saints players & coaches!?! It is nice to see Brady proudly carrying on the Patri*ts tradition of dealing poorly w. adversity.”
    ^^^^^
    hmmm…You didn’t post a single thought relavant to the 60 minutes the game was played, just handshakes.
    Speaking as a “traditional” football fan, I think posters (such as yourself) who obsess over postgame handshakes really need to reevaluate what you’re doing 1.) watching football games to begin with and 2.) posting on a football board.
    Stick with TMZ or other gossip sites since you only care about the soap opera aspect of gossipy nonsense. Think Dick Butkus or Chuck Bednarek obsessed over post game handshakes the way “fans” like you do? I sure don’t.

  47. PypersRealm says:
    December 1, 2009 11:30 AM
    Seriously dude? I mean REALLY?
    The 2007 Patriots actually had a very difficult schedule. TEN of their 19 games came against teams that either made the playoffs or won 10 games. That’s more than half of their schedule against quality competition. They played (and beat) every good team in the league that year except Green Bay. They beat Indy, San Diego (twice), Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Dallas, and the Giants. The only contender they didn’t play was Green Bay.
    Now if you want to talk about the 2008 schedule fine. That one was easy but the 2007 schedule was anything but.
    —-
    Yes.. REALLY!
    Indy? yes.. excellent team..
    San Diego? Don’t make me laugh. Norv Turner can’t head coach his way out of a paper bag. Just ask the Raiders and Redskins.
    Pittsburgh? Overrated
    Jacksonville? Overrated
    Dallas? HELLA Overrated
    Giants? barely backed into the playoffs and lost 2 of their final 3 games.
    Ravens? great team that year, and you guys barely won due to a timeout called on a 4th down. But again, a good team will win 3-4 games against other good teams.
    So YES, the Pats had a cake schedule that year. get over it.

  48. @whatdiga:
    “And you Patriot apologists, yes, i know they went 16-0 when they didn’t cheat, but for one game. But that season, they had the easiest schedule of any team in recent memory”
    Were you living under a rock in 2007? The Pats played the Chargers, Colts (undefeated at the time), Cowboys (undefeated at the time), Steelers, Giants…their schedule wasn’t even the easiest of any team that season. The Seahawks, Cardinals, and Buccaneers all had crazy easy schedules that year.
    “and since then they haven’t been able to duplicate that ‘greatness’ or come close.”
    Neither has anyone else. The closest anyone has gotten is the 13-3 Titans. I fail to see your point.

  49. hayward giablommi says:
    ‘I told all you Belichick ball washers in here how his Richard Seymour trade would impact this team when playing against the leagues better offenses.’
    ^^^^^
    “If you watched the game last night, which you clearly must not have, you’d know that it was the secondary that was the problem, not the front 7.
    If you watched any games, you’d know that Jarvis Green and/or Mike Wright are very good players who could start for most NFL teams.”
    ^^^^^^
    LOL at comparing Green or Wright to Seymour. Typical homer in denial response here.
    If you knew anything at all about football hayward, you would understand the impact of a premiere defensive lineman such as Seymour and how defensive rotations work and affect all areas on the field.
    Just know that your team is going nowhere and Belichick is to blame with that horrid Seymour trade…

  50. bearsrule: “Once again, some player has ONE good game and now the media will go on and on about him. Maybe McKenzie and Dennis Dixon can sit next to each other on their way to the Pro Bowl. Quit acting like a damned meatball.”
    Well, the difference is that McKenzie proved for years he was a very good CB in this league, but had what was thought to be a career ending injury.
    So, the comparison isn’t really relevant.

  51. “What other team gets away with so much holding and illegal contact?”
    I hate to sound like sour grapes, but it was ridiculous and obvious how much the Saints D was getting away with. Didn’t really change the flow of the game (the Pat’s defense was just as ineffective as their offense, for one) but it really was off the charts stupid what they were getting away with.”
    Sounds like a fan grasping at straws and not coming to the realization that the Pats are done.
    Admit it dude your Pats got waxed and these fake holds you pointed out are all you have to hang your hat on.

  52. I knew the excuses would flow today. “The NFL wants them to win”….why? Or was it “steroids”? Yea thats it. It can’t be that the Saints are the most complete team in the NFL. The Vikings are sooo much better and the Saints would not stand a chance against the mighty Vikings. Keep believing that.

  53. The way McKenzie was jumping on those quick outs screamed for a hitch and go with a pump fake. It would have been good for a non contested touchdown.

  54. I don’t understand why so many posters here need to resort to calling other posters or teams losers, cheaters, ball lickers, etc. I can only think that those folks don’t have any new ideas or intelligent commentary to make…
    I’m a Pat’s fan for no other reason than I lived in Boston for three years (now I live in Portland, OR). I lived in Phoenix for a few but never got into the Cards (talk about devoted fans – can you imagine how die hard you have to be to love them before last year!!!).
    Anyway – while saddened by the loss to the Saints I am happy for Drew Breese. He seems to always be left out of the list of top tier QBs (always Payton, Brady, etc). Breese’s output for the last three years is absolutely stunning (though to me it is a tossup whether he THIS YEAR is better than Payton. They are both playing awesome).
    Finally – someone wrote that the Pat’s are at best one a done this year. I think that is the most likely occurrence – though this is football and anything can happen. If you remember the past the Pat’s actually do better when everyone counts them out…
    All that said I would feel absolutely blessed if the Pat’s made it to the SB – though even if they do pull off that miracle I think the Saints (their most likely opponent –sorry Viking’s fans) would beat them again – and if the Saints did win the SB I would be just as happy as if the Pat’s won… I just think it is time for the Saints to win the big one.

  55. No question since 2007 – The New England offense is severely unbalanced. It showed in that Super Bowl and it showed when they matched up against both the Colts and the Saints. The Pats had an effective possession based drive in the first quarter led by Maroney finishing off the drive with a touchdown. The result was Brees only attempted 4 passes in that 1st quarter. Then for whatever reason New England wanted to play Playstation with the Saints. Want to beat the Saints? You do what Carolina did for first 3 quarters against them. Run the ball effectively, limit big plays, and don’t turn the ball over.

  56. To finally resolve the 2007 Strength of Schedule claims posted here, read below (sorry Pats fans, but YOU LOSE):
    2008 Strength of ScheduleCBSSports.com staff
    The Steelers and Colts have the toughest schedules in 2008.
    2007 NFL STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE
    Team
    Opponents’ 2007 win pct.
    Opponents’ 2007 wins
    Opponents’ 2007 losses
    ________________
    Steelers .598 153 103
    Colts .594 152 104
    Jaguars .559 143 113
    Vikings .551 141 115
    Ravens .551 141 115
    Bengals .547 140 116
    Texans .547 140 116
    Browns .547 140 116
    Lions .543 139 117
    Titans .543 139 117
    Bears .531 136 120
    Packers .531 136 120
    Redskins .523 134 122
    Cowboys .523 134 122
    Eagles .520 133 123
    Giants .520 133 123
    Rams .488 125 131
    49ers .484 124 132
    Seahawks .477 122 134
    Buccaneers .469 120 136
    Cardinals .465 119 137
    Dolphins .465 119 137
    Panthers .465 119 137
    Falcons .461 118 138
    Jets .457 117 139
    Chiefs .453 116 140
    Bills .449 115 141
    Saints .449 115 141
    Broncos .445 114 142
    Raiders .438 112 144
    Chargers .422 108 148
    Patriots .387 99 157
    The Pats had the EASIEST schedule in 2007…PERIOD.

  57. hayward giablommi says:
    December 1, 2009 12:05 PM
    “Nice to see Brady is consistent…consistently a sore loser. No post game hand shake w. Brees and the rest of the Saints players & coaches!?! It is nice to see Brady proudly carrying on the Patri*ts tradition of dealing poorly w. adversity.”
    ^^^^^
    hmmm…You didn’t post a single thought relavant to the 60 minutes the game was played, just handshakes.
    Speaking as a “traditional” football fan, I think posters (such as yourself) who obsess over postgame handshakes really need to reevaluate what you’re doing 1.) watching football games to begin with and 2.) posting on a football board.
    Stick with TMZ or other gossip sites since you only care about the soap opera aspect of gossipy nonsense. Think Dick Butkus or Chuck Bednarek obsessed over post game handshakes the way “fans” like you do? I sure don’t.
    ______
    You were probably too busy giving Richm2256’s pecker a “handshake”, as he was doing the same to you.
    GFY, haywoodjablowtheentirepatsteam…you are a sports KNOW NOTHING who simply parrots what the Boston Globe tells you to say, just like the rest of the New England moron fans here.

  58. whatdiga says:
    December 1, 2009 12:07 PM
    Yes.. REALLY!
    Indy? yes.. excellent team..
    San Diego? Don’t make me laugh. Norv Turner can’t head coach his way out of a paper bag. Just ask the Raiders and Redskins.
    Pittsburgh? Overrated
    Jacksonville? Overrated
    Dallas? HELLA Overrated
    Giants? barely backed into the playoffs and lost 2 of their final 3 games.
    Ravens? great team that year, and you guys
    So YES, the Pats had a cake schedule that year. get over it.
    ===============================
    So you’re criticizing our schedule b/c in your eyes all the teams that finished with good records were overrated?
    I think you may have just made a case why abortions should not only remain legal, but become mandatory.

  59. Yo, slicknick. Drew’s last name is Brees not Breese. Down here in NO we all pronounce it Breeze but it is properly pronounced as you spell it – sort of like the peanutbutter cups. Thanks for the nice words.
    McKenzie was an awesome surprise for all of us Saints fans. He was essentially a “shudown “corner for us but had a season ending knee injury in 2007. He came back last year and was playing resonably well but had another injury to the same knee. Broke his kneecap! (I can’t imagine that pain!) He was IR’ed and released at the start of 2009. He was only cleared to play Nov. 9th and fortunately he was available. And face it, he had a monster game. Moss was a non-factor.
    For those of you who wonder why the Pats stopped running so much: This year a number of RB’s have started out well against us but after the first qtr their production has tailed off significantly. Our D seems to adjust to the run blocking and contains the RB. Moroney was no different.
    For those of you who think the Saints are a bunch of drug cheats: The drug in question was butadiene (sp?) which is a diuretic, not a steroid. The NFL considers butadiene to be a masking agent. The drug was an unlisted ingredient in a product called StarCaps. StarCaps was advertised as being an “all natural”. I personally checked the website where some rich-bitch owner showed how wonderful her supposedly all-natural StarCaps were. Six players were notified that they would be suspended by the NFL – 4 Saints and two Vikings. One of our players served his suspension last season and is suing StarCaps for 4 game checks – I hope he wins. The Saints players were prepared to sit out the first four games this season but the VIKINGS players took the case to a state court which issued an injunction against the NFL under Minnesota law. Since the case could take forever, the NFL has postponed the suspensions until next season. NONE of the players was accused of using steroids. NFL drug tests can still detect ‘roids even if a masking agent is used.
    Whether or not my Saints are the best team this season is arguable. However it is hard to find any other team that is averaging 37 points a game and winning by an average 17 point margin.
    I’ve had season tickets for 34 years and attended nearly every home game since the 1972 season. I’ve watched a lot of bad football and some very good football. The 2009 Saints are the most complete team we have ever had. I truly believe we will win our first Superbowl this season!

  60. PypersRealm says:
    December 1, 2009 7:25 PM
    whatdiga says:
    December 1, 2009 12:07 PM
    Yes.. REALLY!
    Indy? yes.. excellent team..
    San Diego? Don’t make me laugh. Norv Turner can’t head coach his way out of a paper bag. Just ask the Raiders and Redskins.
    Pittsburgh? Overrated
    Jacksonville? Overrated
    Dallas? HELLA Overrated
    Giants? barely backed into the playoffs and lost 2 of their final 3 games.
    Ravens? great team that year, and you guys
    So YES, the Pats had a cake schedule that year. get over it.
    ===============================
    So you’re criticizing our schedule b/c in your eyes all the teams that finished with good records were overrated?
    I think you may have just made a case why abortions should not only remain legal, but become mandatory.
    ___________
    AGAIN, MORON…
    2007 NFL STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE
    Team
    Opponents’ 2007 win pct.
    Opponents’ 2007 wins
    Opponents’ 2007 losses
    ________________
    Steelers .598 153 103
    Colts .594 152 104
    Jaguars .559 143 113
    Vikings .551 141 115
    Ravens .551 141 115
    Bengals .547 140 116
    Texans .547 140 116
    Browns .547 140 116
    Lions .543 139 117
    Titans .543 139 117
    Bears .531 136 120
    Packers .531 136 120
    Redskins .523 134 122
    Cowboys .523 134 122
    Eagles .520 133 123
    Giants .520 133 123
    Rams .488 125 131
    49ers .484 124 132
    Seahawks .477 122 134
    Buccaneers .469 120 136
    Cardinals .465 119 137
    Dolphins .465 119 137
    Panthers .465 119 137
    Falcons .461 118 138
    Jets .457 117 139
    Chiefs .453 116 140
    Bills .449 115 141
    Saints .449 115 141
    Broncos .445 114 142
    Raiders .438 112 144
    Chargers .422 108 148
    Patriots .387 99 157
    The Pats had the EASIEST schedule in 2007…PERIOD.
    Looks like YOU are the one who is the ideal retroactive candidate for the aforementioned abortion, PipeReamed.
    Try ducking the COLD HARD FACTS posted above. YOU CAN’T.

  61. PornFlorio says:
    December 1, 2009 10:26 PM
    AGAIN, MORON…
    2007 NFL STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE
    Team
    Opponents’ 2007 win pct.
    Opponents’ 2007 wins
    Opponents’ 2007 losses
    ________________
    Steelers .598 153 103
    Colts .594 152 104
    Jaguars .559 143 113
    Vikings .551 141 115
    Ravens .551 141 115
    Bengals .547 140 116
    Texans .547 140 116
    Browns .547 140 116
    Lions .543 139 117
    Titans .543 139 117
    Bears .531 136 120
    Packers .531 136 120
    Redskins .523 134 122
    Cowboys .523 134 122
    Eagles .520 133 123
    Giants .520 133 123
    Rams .488 125 131
    49ers .484 124 132
    Seahawks .477 122 134
    Buccaneers .469 120 136
    Cardinals .465 119 137
    Dolphins .465 119 137
    Panthers .465 119 137
    Falcons .461 118 138
    Jets .457 117 139
    Chiefs .453 116 140
    Bills .449 115 141
    Saints .449 115 141
    Broncos .445 114 142
    Raiders .438 112 144
    Chargers .422 108 148
    Patriots .387 99 157
    The Pats had the EASIEST schedule in 2007…PERIOD.
    Looks like YOU are the one who is the ideal retroactive candidate for the aforementioned abortion, PipeReamed.
    Try ducking the COLD HARD FACTS posted above. YOU CAN’T.
    ==============================
    Looks like we’ve got another abortion gone bad.
    What is is like to be proven wrong after you use the language and attitude that you do. To be that sure of yourself and yet to be proven completely wrong must qualify you as one of the biggest jerks, dimwitted idiots in all the lands. You’re the guy that even all the idiots call an idiot.
    Here are the facts. Below is the list of the 2007 Patriots with their respective records.
    New York Jets………………….4-12
    San Diego Chargers…………..11-5
    Buffalo Bills……………………….7-9
    Cincinnati Bengals…………….7-9
    Cleveland Browns…………….10-6
    Dallas Cowboys………………..13-3
    Miami Dolphins………………..1-15
    Washington Redskins……….9-7
    Indianapolis Colts…………….13-3
    Bye Week
    Buffalo Bills……………………..7-9
    Philadelphia Eagles…………8-8
    Baltimore Ravens…………..5-11
    Pittsburgh Steelers…………10-6
    New York Jets………………..4-12
    Miami Dolphins……………….1-15
    New York Giants……………..10-6
    Jacksonville Jaguars………..12-6
    San Diego Chargers………….13-6
    New York Giants……………..14-6
    Assuming you are capable of doing basic arithmatic which might be a reach, the combined records of the Patriots 2007 opponents was 120-136 (.469).
    However one must also remember to subtract the 16 losses that those opponents endured at the hands of the Pats. That means that the Patriots opponents had a record of 120-120 (.500) vs the league and 0-16 vs the Pats.
    If we add in the postseason then the record improves to 158-136 (.537).
    It should also be noted how those numbers are impacted by playing the 1-15 Dolphins twice. The combined record of the 14 other opponents was an extremely respectable 118-90 (.567) vs the league and 0-14 vs the Patriots.
    These are the facts. Of the teams with the 10 best records in 2007 (other than the Pats of course) the Patriots played and beat 9 of them.
    So once again, how does it feel to get RULED on Florio’s website?

  62. That is the biggest reason why when you hear people talking about whose the best Quarterback in the League its usaully Peyton Mannings’ name on top of that list. Tom Brady can be rattled and he can be tooken out of the game. It doesnt happen much but it can happen. With Manning thats really never the case no matter what the score is or whats happening in the game he always seems confident that he can win and most of the time he does.

  63. “It should also be noted how those numbers are impacted by playing the 1-15 Dolphins twice. The combined record of the 14 other opponents was an extremely respectable 118-90 (.567) vs the league and 0-14 vs the Patriots.”
    __________
    ALSO, PipeReamed, your lame attempt to discount the Miami Dolphins 1-15 record as a mitigating factor regarding the low SOS percentage is far outweighed by your convenient use of both the Chargers’ and the Giants’ records twice in your pathetic spin formula to attempt to try (and fail) to prove your weak point.
    ONCE AGAIN, you prove to be the FOOL that we already know that you were. Again, you are OWNED.

  64. However one must also remember to subtract the 16 losses that those opponents endured at the hands of the Pats. That means that the Patriots opponents had a record of 120-120 (.500) vs the league and 0-16 vs the Pats.
    ________
    NO strength of schedule calculations by ANY reputable sports source does this…yet another lame attempt by a Pats fan chump to try and spin the fact that your team had the EASIEST schedule in the league in 2007.
    YOU LOSE…AGAIN, fool.

  65. According to ESPN.com and NFL.com the Patriots had the 3rd toughest 2007 Strength of Schedule.
    PornFlo – you goon – get your facts in order. Don’t let your hatred further blind your beady, bloodshot eyes.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2830466&type=story
    Raiders .539 (138 – 118)
    Bills .539 (138 – 118)
    Patriots .535 (137 – 119)
    Titans .520 (133 – 123)
    Colts .516 (132 – 124)
    Chiefs .516 (132 – 124)
    Jets .516 (132 – 124)
    Dolphins .512 (131 – 125)
    Steelers .512 (131 – 125)
    Bengals .512 (131 – 125)

  66. It looks like PornFlorio just likes to make numbers up out of his @$$. He must work for FOX News.

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