Tebow ad highlights trend toward allowing advocacy spots

With the financial services industry and large segments of the auto industry no longer buying up commercial time for big events, the networks have been forced to embrace groups they previously avoided, especially in high-profile events like the Super Bowl.

But with the Tim Tebow pro-life ad ready to be aired during the Super Bowl, CBS has explained that advocacy ads will be considered is “responsibly produced,” according to the Associated Press.

The term “responsibly produced” doesn’t lend itself to an easy definition, however.  Though it likely falls within Potter Stewart’s know-it-when-you-see-it neighborhood, the reality when it comes to advocacy is that the existence of responsibility will be influenced by the views of the beholder.

As to Tebow, the 30-second spot from Focus on the Family focuses on Pam Tebow’s 1987 pregnancy, which due to an illness a doctor suggested she terminate.  She declined, and the baby that would have been aborted became the star quarterback at the University of Florida.

“We have for some time moderated our approach to advocacy submissions
after it became apparent that our stance did not reflect public
sentiment or industry norms,” CBS spokesman Dana McClintock told the AP.  “In fact,
most media outlets have accepted advocacy ads for some time.”

In other words, “General Motors doesn’t buy space anymore.  We had to replace the revenue with something.”

Still, the complaints will persist.  But the deeper message is that, if anyone opposed to the Tebow ad hopes to articulate their views, they can buy a 30-second spot, too.

And as the guys at WFNZ in Charlotte pointed out to us earlier this morning, CBS now might be able to charge extra for the spots aired immediately before and immediate after the Tebow ad, which due to the controversy will be watched even more closely.

Meanwhile, is it any wonder that the major networks aren’t complaining about last week’s Supreme Court ruling that corporations may spend unlimited sums in support of political candidates?

125 responses to “Tebow ad highlights trend toward allowing advocacy spots

  1. Well shame on anyone for criticizing Tim Tebow for being proud he wasnt terminated before he saw the light of day.

  2. Cab we go 12 hours without a Tebow article ? There is 200+ other recruits, can we discuss just 1 other please ! Jesus Christ we’re wasting our time with this bum who will end up like Troy Smith.. Who ?

  3. “Meanwhile, is it any wonder that the major networks aren’t complaining about last week’s Supreme Court ruling that corporations may spend unlimited sums in support of political candidates?”
    No bigger wonder than why the networks didn’t complain about the mountain of dubious Obama campaign contributions from people such as “Doodad Pro” and “Good Will” that were used to sell him to the dumber, more gullible segment of the citizenry.

  4. Didn’t Obama have a superbowl ad last year? That was directly political. They avoided Fox keeping the line by buying them locally, but it was still a superbowl ad.
    Though I somehow doubt so much controversy would be raised if Tebow was saying he should have been aborted. Liberals seem to really have shit fits when a mother doesn’t abort a child and then is happy about it (see Trig Palin birtherism).

  5. I guess I don’t see what the big deal is. This is America. Why would anyone have an issue with this. Please, someone explain to me why this ad would offend anyone? (Serious responses only please.)

  6. im pro choice but if tebow wants to do this, that is ok bc he he has free speech and it is allowable by law. but i wonder if some1 wanted to do a pro choice commercial in the same “responsible” vein, would they be allowed? i really doubt it. and also, from the reports from the senior bowl, tebow’s NFL career is going to be very, very short, so he is probably, in the back of his mind, beginning to build his “brand” to appeal to right wing conservative Southerners through an avenue other than football. Church speaking engagements and car dealer commercials and maybe even Fox News are on the horizon.

  7. In the end it is all about money. It won’t matter how distasteful or controversial a segment is, if the advertiser ponies up the money, CBS, and any other network will take it.
    It’s a shame it’s not a 45 second spot, with the extra 15 seconds assuring mothers with unwanted pregnancies that this foundation will adopt and care for the child until adulthood. In my eyes, that would really be putting your money where your mouth is.
    And that really is the biggest problem with the pro-lifers. They just want to feel better about themselves by pushing choices on women who aren’t ready those responsibilities.
    It’s a woman’s body. It’s a woman’s choice.
    This will backfire on everybody involved somehow.

  8. Who cares. I will listne to Tebow like I listen to the hot blonde with herpes. It’s a commercial. If you are watching the Super Bowl for the commercials, maybe you should be doing something more productive anyway, like the dishes or knitting a quilt.

  9. People has been asking why there is so much hate for TeBLOW, and I contend that it is due to the fact that most people don’t like to be preached to by sports figures or entertainers. If I wanted to hear about religion on sunday I would go to church.
    I am not a believer in organized religion, but to be honest I dont really care what other people believ and I don’t waste my time trying to get other people to think like me. Pro-choice – Pro life….what other people do with their own lives is non of my business, I won’t preach to people who think differently than me so I’m not a fan of when other people try preaching to me about how I should live.
    I however am not a TeBLOW fan simply because i hate the Gators, and because I think he will be a failure at the NFL level ( at least in terms of being a quality long term QB )
    unless the Jags pick him early to sell tickets, which they probably still won’t, he shouldn’t go any earlier than the 4th round.

  10. Theyre complaining about an ad no one has seen. About the supreme court ruling, like it or dont it upholds the constitution which is something we should all embrace.

  11. Isn’t it a violation of the constitution to allow Teabag to wear scripture patches under his eyes while representing a taxpayer supported institution? I find that very offensive.
    Tebow seems like a nice kid–but has anyone ever been more brainwashed?

  12. Well, I guess the bottom line is, CBS is a for-profit company and they’re going to try to make cash in any way possible.
    I hate to see this kind of garbage during any sporting event, but as long as CBS gives everyone an equal shot at a spot, be they Anti-Choice or Pro-Choice, then so be it.

  13. I’m all for free speech, but I don’t think anyone should be allowed to express an opinion that runs contrary to my own.

  14. Its sad that the world would rather see a young athlete selling sneakers and later getting arrested for a DUI than a guy like Tebow who practices what he preaches and makes people think.

  15. From my understanding of the ad, (as NO one in the public has actually seen the ad) it isn’t an advocacy ad. Tebow’s mother tells the story of her choice whether to have an abortion or not to and that the doctors where telling her that her pregnancy might kill her. O’reilly had an abortion advocate on last night and she couldn’t quite figure out who she was angry at about the ad. I guess if you are pro abortion you don’t want to hear that people choose not to have abortions.
    My position is this.
    I’m against abortion. If you choose to have an abortion it isn’t any of my business. I just don’t think that I (my tax dollars) should pay for it. If the woman’s life is in danger or she’s been raped that is a different story, but that applies to very few abortions.

  16. My favorite line so far from the outrage over this ad came from that idiot liberal (I know, redundant) Joy Behar: “[Tim Tebow] could have easily been a rapist pedophile.”
    The only reason anyone has a problem with this ad is because they know how damaging it is to the cause of abortion supporters. What can people do to counter the point? Show a commercial of a woman 20 years after an abortion who is happy that she kept a person from coming into this world? It was the same “controversy” with the commercial that said the same thing but used Obama. The only thing pro-murder people could hope to do to keep their message from dying out was to silence their opponent’s voices. Probably the only good thing to come out of ObamaCo ruining the economy, is stridently liberal corporations buckling under the loss of income and allowing conservatives to have more of a voice with their dollars.

  17. I have no problem with the Tebow spot itself.
    But to suggest that abortion is wrong in all cases because of this one example – and I am not sure if the spot will claim that (but it certainly suggests it) – is silly. Shall we run a spot claiming that abortion should be mandatory because it would’ve been great had Hitler been aborted? C’mon. It’s silly.
    But good for Tebow for putting himself out there. I repsect that. After all, this will cost him future “mass” endorsements – to some degree he’ll get “Dixie Chicked” in some circles. With his All-American good looks and ability he’d have been a natural for promoting the NFL and its products to women. Now, that will be a challenge.
    I woud still like to see the Birds draft him. He has a lot to offer as a change of pace player.
    Zaggs, you need mental health counseling for your anger issues. It creates delusional thinking. Who is unhappy when a mother doesn’t abort a kid? Do you have any proof of that? Or did you just make it up like your idol DumDum Millionaire (Sarah Palin) does? I know many pro-choice people who made the same choice as DumDum did – remember, it is a personal CHOICE. The kind of choice you and DumDum would deny anyone. So, your thinking on this is kind of silly. Isn’t it?

  18. I thought this was a PRO football site, not a maybe NFLer or a abortion rights site.
    Stick to the NFL

  19. Who cares? If you don’t want to see it then mute your tv or change the channel. It’s not like they are forcing people to watch it. But then again, it seems that the liberals want to take out anything that could “offend” someone all around.

  20. It does not matter what they say or advertise, they paid for the spot let them do what they want.
    Thanks for our daily Tebow update, what time did he wake up today?

  21. StevenM says:
    January 27, 2010 9:37 AM
    In this economy, anything short of a porn ad might make it to air. LOL
    ________________________
    Don’t laugh until we see Danica’s next ad.

  22. The biggest problem I have with the ad is that they are crying about how it’s freedom of speech and not political and how they are standing for what they believe in….
    But if someone sponsored a pro-choice ad, this is the EXACT organization that would completely flip out and demand (not request) it be pulled and threaten boycotts.
    They don’t want debate, they want to get their message across without any conflict and they work to stifle any counter arguments.
    That attitude makes me sick.

  23. One’s opinion on Tebow or abortion are sort of red herrings in this matter. The real issue here is CBS’s bias in favor of conservative political advocacy.
    A few years back, the network refused to air two separate ads by liberal advocacy groups during the Super Bowl – one by the Episcopal church that carried an implicit endorsement of gay marriage, and one by moveon.org that was critical of President Bush.
    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Tebow speaking out in favor of an issue about which he feels strongly. What is problematic is that a corporation licensed to broadcast over the public airwaves has decided to favor one set of ideological beliefs over another.

  24. .VoxVeritas says:
    January 27, 2010 9:37 AM
    dumber, more gullible segment of the citizenry.
    ———————————————–
    Oh, so that’s how you see African Americans in today’s society. Yeah, that’s about right for you.

  25. i have no problem with the ad, if it is paid for then i have no problem with it because it takes alot of money to get an ad on the air and when someone pays to have a commercial and they get it on the air, it should be what they want, but as for Tebow, i really don’t care about the ad, BUT i DO care about his senior bowl practices, he got better at getting the ball from under center, now i want to here if his throwing was better.

  26. Zaggs, you’re a moron. No one has sh!t fits. They’re simply saying it’s a woman’s right to choose. No one is suggesting that they’re forced into abortion. Mix in some intelligence.
    Nothing at all wrong with the Tebow ad. At least the kid speaks to his convictions.

  27. Where to begin…
    “…major networks aren’t complaining about bla bla bla…” You should be here in New York state whenever there is a budget contraversy or it’s election season. Ad after ad after ad from SEIU Local bla bla bla, or “Paid for AFSCME/AFL-CIO” or CSEA Danny Donahur President. No wonder why NBC is the least trusted news network. (PPP study posted on POLITICO.com) You fit right in there. I know yours is an opinion site so keep it that way. Stay away from trying to present anything else…

  28. TV stations do it all the time. MTV, NBC, ABC, always have some type of global warming ad with stars in it. FNA lowers the lights in their studio to “save” energy

  29. Tim Tebow is his generation’s Heath Shuler (albeit with the Heisman). He will knock around pro football for a few years–most likely on at least two teams. Make too much money and get too much attention for being what he was in college. Then return home, run for office, and save the world.

  30. I seriously doubt that if I paid enough money they would let me run and add that said:
    Come join the church of Satan we pay for your abortions!
    So forget the “they will let anyone with money run an add” theory.
    A bunch of stupid christians run this country and it makes me sick how they retard our children and stop stem cell testing etc. etc….
    I don’t need to hear that crap in a football forum I come here to get away from that kind of talk!!
    Please Florio refrain from talking about Tebow he violates two rules as he is a college player and should be in the CFT website not here as well!

  31. Don’t you love how liberals defend free speech except in those cases when they disagree with the political viewpoint of the message?
    Planned Parenthood will personally escort a woman to an abortion clinic with taxpayer dollars and yet somehow this ad is controversial?

  32. These left wing liberals who have a problem with this ad dont even realize how they contradict themselves. They are ALL FOR someone’s “right” to choose to kill an unborn baby. Yet when it comes to a television ad, there shouldn’t be any rights for the tv company to choose to put an ad on.
    God forbid Tim Tebow being grateful that his mom didnt abort him like the doctors wanted her to. How many other presidents, scientists, teachers, athletes…out of the 40 million abortions since the ’70’s were killed???

  33. Its funny how no one ever thinks about the bad people that could have been aborted. Would there be any complaints from the right wing if Bin Laden was aborted? Of course we would never know. What about if Obama was aborted?

  34. Eh… I’ll probably miss it anyway. TV timeouts are for getting refills on food and/or beverages or hitting the crapper.
    Bottom line: who cares?

  35. I love it when pro-lifers point to people like Tim Tebow and Trig Palin as examples of why there shouldn’t be safe and legal abortion, as if every woman contemplating abortion is a upper-middle class white woman.
    If Tim Tebow’s mother had been a homeless, crack-addicted teenager with no father in sight, I don’t think he would be starring in a Super Bowl commercial. Whatever your religion based stance on the issue is, there can be little doubt that our society would be in a far better place without the millions of unwanted, unsupportable children cast adrift into society with zero hope.
    If you have any desire to read a book other than the Bible and can drag yourself away from Fox News for 5 minutes, read Freakonomics by Steven Levitt & Stephen Dubner, particularly Chapter 4.
    Even if providing safe, legal and affordable abortions to under-priveledged women didn’t make economic sense, the Constitution is pretty clear on separation of Church and State.

  36. Silver Back says:
    January 27, 2010 9:31 AM
    Well shame on anyone for criticizing Tim Tebow for being proud he wasnt terminated before he saw the light of day.
    ————————————————–
    focus on the family is a extreme right wing hate group, not just an anti abortion group.

  37. “Meanwhile, is it any wonder that the major networks aren’t complaining about last week’s Supreme Court ruling that corporations may spend unlimited sums in support of political candidates?”
    Given that the law in question limited everyone’s ability but major media to air opinions on political candidates, yes I believe it is a wonder that the major networks aren’t complaining. They had their outlet to express their views. Now everyone else has an outlet as well.
    As far as the rest of the post goes, free speech is free speech. CBS, as a private entity, may decide to reject or accept ads on advocacy as it sees fit. They are free to decide. Viewers are free to view, or not.

  38. obamas doing such a bad job, why cant he be a good president like the guy who came out of the lone star state a few years back

  39. I can’t wait for Danica’s next ad. I don’t even care if she speaks or not. It will still be the best of all of them.

  40. I read somewhere that the guy who would end up murdering Tebow in his teens actually WAS aborted.
    So there is another side to this story.

  41. its too bad sarah palin’s mom didn’t have an abortion. if that isn’t argument in favor of abortion, i don’t know what its.
    and yes, obama is “ruining” the economy. it was doing so wonderful when he came into office. i miss those prosperous days.

  42. It’s making me sick at how fast this site went from a football topic to preachy internet nerds babbling about religion and liberal agendas!
    SHUT UP!!!!!
    If you don’t have you have something “Football” to say then don’t say anything!

  43. I guess I’m the only one that doesn’t see this AD as political. I am supposing they are just trying to make people think twice before taking the easy way out. I SHOULD have a 15 year old right now, but I don’t. It was her choice, I had no say (Believe me I tried everything.) I sometimes wonder if it haunts her like it haunts me.
    Some of these comments are sicking to me.

  44. I have no problem with Tim’s ad, I just find it ironic that in all his comments to the media he keeps discussing his mother’s “choice”. Tim, I’m happy it worked out the way it did and more power to you and your family but that CHOICE is what people like Dobson are trying to take away. Then their like will try and defend themselves and say “well in certain cases like rape, sure, it can be allowed”, which is horseshit. Then they’ll parade out another ad with a product of a rape trying to tug at heartstrings.
    Neo-cons can sit here whining about liberal this and liberal that but its not fooling anyone. Liberals have no problem with Tebow airing his ad. They DO have a problem with the blatantly homophobic, anti-equality and anti-women bastards with whom he has aligned himself, not to mention the fact that if a pro-choice organization decided to air an ad, all you Hannity sucking crybabies would be throwing a shit fit. Get a low income black family on the ad talking about preserving life and these bitter dicks would be screaming about “their tax dollars paying to raise the kids”. You can’t have it both ways, ladies.

  45. Reality Police – your are wrong. Palin is wealthy. She was a millionaire – partly because of her lobbyist husband (read his job description, people) and her drive to suck up as much cash as she can (charging for speaking engagements at key PAC’s, publishing a work of fiction, etc).
    And since Palin oversaw a socialist state that taxes its #1 industry (oil) for a general welfare handout to every man, woman, and child in the state on an annual basis…they make out pretty good.
    That said, she seems to have only a 4th grade eductaion.
    But she represents the “Real America”. HA!
    And if you don’t abort your baby, can you use it as a campaign prop? Or is that tawdry too? Is it right to deny your baby crucial early year development so that he can help you sell books or get elected Vice President?

  46. The Tebows choose to partner with Focus on the Family who choose to make a commercial about a choice that was made and then choose to pay CBS who choose to accept the money and the Pro-Choice crowd is upset?? Makes perfect sense to me!!

  47. Absolute travesty what the Supreme court did, democracy is dead, welcome to idiocracy brought to you by the retardicans.

  48. What about the ad by the Dr. who told the crack head mom that she shouldn’t have the kid, but did. That kid went out and car jacked a mom and killed her and her two children in the back.’
    For every ‘wonderful’ story the pro-abortion people put out…there are 1000 of the flip side, where the parents were never ready for the kid, but had the kid and they never treated the child well and the child becomes a criminal…robs and kills…and is a burden to every good person out there.
    1 feel good story does not make up for 1000 of the flip side.

  49. toe-to-toe bird law says:
    January 27, 2010 10:01 AM
    .VoxVeritas says:
    January 27, 2010 9:37 AM
    dumber, more gullible segment of the citizenry.
    ———————————————–
    Oh, so that’s how you see African Americans in today’s society. Yeah, that’s about right for you.
    Now you said that, he didn’t.

  50. Opening up to advocacy ads?
    Are you serious?!
    Every other ad these days promotes measures to curb phony global warming.
    The left can’t stand the defense of life, because they hate life!

  51. Zaggs says: “Liberals seem to really have shit fits when a mother doesn’t abort a child and then is happy about it”
    Actually, rational people have “s**t fits” when right wing extremists, who claim to love “freedom”, want the state to dictate what a woman can and can’t do with her body. Ironically, these same people who champion “states right” on other issues, insist that an abortion ban be national. All banning abortion will accomplish is rich girls will go to Europe and poor girls will go to unlicensed hacks to have it done illegally. Which is exactly what happened before Roe V. Wade. Just like Prohibition, banning it just drives it underground. It is estimated that 10 to 22 million abortions are performed illegally each year. So making it illegal really does very little to stop it. Unless you ban travel to any other country, completely close and secure the borders, and put tracking chips in every womb, you’re not going to stop it. BTW, Zaggs, how many kids have you adopted? Have you paid the medical bills of an uninsured pregnant woman so she can safely raise the child up to birth and then put the child up for adoption? If you’re not part of the solution, Zaggs, you’re part of the problem. For the record, I’m against it. I just see no point in passing a law that the affluent will be able to bypass so easily while forcing the poor to gamble with their lives.

  52. The Tebow’s choose to partner with Focus on the Family who choose to make a commercial about a choice and then choose to pay CBS who choose to take the money and the Pro-Choice crowd is upset?? Makes perfect sense to me!!

  53. Not that anyone cares, but in my previous post concerning the right to lifers, I neglected to give my opinion of whether they have the right to air the ad. As a Constitution-first Libertarian, I absolutely defend their right to run the ad.
    In this country, everyone’s got the right to be wrong.

  54. The reason we all enjoy football is to GET AWAY from this sort of thing. The sports reminds us of how much we share — messages like this invading the telecast are divisive and will cost CBS audience.
    It also may make Tebow a divisive figure – it would reflect how I feel about the team I follow if he were to be drafted there.
    He’s entitled to his own beliefs — but they do not belong on or near the football field — or shoved into people’s faces during what should be a fun afternoon.
    CBS may need the dough — but stuff like this will kill the goose laying the golden eggs on football Sundays.

  55. “.VoxVeritas says:
    January 27, 2010 9:37 AM
    dumber, more gullible segment of the citizenry.
    ———————————————–
    Oh, so that’s how you see African Americans in today’s society.”
    Oh sure, because everybody knows that only black people voted for Barack Obama. Nice job of outing yourself as a racist, Grand Wizard. And a stupid one at that. An Obama voter, no doubt. 0-3gle fans continue to prove themselves to be the dumbest animals on the planet.

  56. “About the supreme court ruling, like it or dont it upholds the constitution which is something we should all embrace.”
    Glad to see we have Constitutional scholars here at PFT.
    If corporations are people with the same rights as people, then no corporation should be able to own another corporation. That’s slavery and Lincoln freed the slaves.

  57. People are just threatened by someone with morals. That’s why there are so many Tebow-Haters! Planned Parenthood should put there money where there mouth is and put on their own ad – but they would never do that. Just sit and complain, but do nothing. That is the liberal way!

  58. “truushot says:
    January 27, 2010 9:53 AM
    O’reilly had an abortion advocate on last night and she couldn’t quite figure out who she was angry at about the ad.”
    If you actually believe that, you are as retarded as every other O’Reilly viewer.
    I watched the segment out of curiosity. He asked her a question, she started her response and after THREE words he yelled at her and asked her a DIFFERENT question. And that was for every single question he asked. She wasn’t allowed to complete more than three words IN RESPONSE TO A SINGLE QUESTION HE ASKED.

  59. Realitypolice, I completely agree with your overall point, right up until you brought up the Constitution.
    There is no such thing as separation of church and state. That is a fallacy. The Constitution simply says, in laymen terms, there will be no national religion. The Church of England as an example. There is no, and there never will be, a Church of the United States.
    Beyond that, I am not a Republican, or a Democrat, I am Independent. I dont give a rats ass about abortion. I hate pro choicers that want to convince me that I should be pro choice. I hate pro lifers that think they need to convince me to be pro life. Everyone has the freedom to to do whatever they want in this country. Whether you agree, or disagree. You cant argue in favor of freedom, and then try to push any view onto a group of people. You either have freedom, or you dont. The freedom of choice cant go anywhere. Once you take that freedom away, or any freedom for that matter, you might as well take away all freedoms…. Having the ability to choose is what America is all about, right or wrong……..

  60. “the Constitution is pretty clear on separation of Church and State. ”
    It says that Congress will make no laws respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. THAT’S IT. It says no more than that on the subject.

  61. FYI — Free Speech does not mean “Free Speech when I agree” it means Free Speech all the time for all people whether you agree or not.

  62. “obamas doing such a bad job, why cant he be a good president like the guy who came out of the lone star state a few years back”
    You mean the guy that got reelected? We’ll see if the US is dumb enough to reelect the community organizer from Chicago after his disastrous presidency, which is on par to replace Jimmy Carter’s as worst ever.

  63. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame, Baby Jesus. Your time is almost up and I predict you will be just another Brady Quinn in the NFL.
    Unlike conservatives, I believe in free speech. You can express your views. But, I’ll be channel surfing at that time.

  64. I find it odd that Florio censors readers on this site sometimes. Some of my downright nasty posts gets through while other tamer ones don’t. I guess it depends on his agenda.
    Good for him….his sight….his rules. He is laughing at the way to the bank you lemmings.

  65. Freedom of speech! I am baffled as to why the ACLU is not out there supporting Tebow and Focus on the Family’s freedom of speech rights……I thought that is one of the major things the ACLU stood for…..
    If you are offended, use your remote and change the channel for 30 seconds…..or choose life – your mother did!

  66. I don’t watch football to get away from {insert issue of choice}.
    The Superbowl is a party. Friends, family, chili that you have no idea of whats in it, arguments over the best commercial. I don’t think this one will win, but I can’t wait to see it now!
    Some people need to ease up and enjoy life.

  67. “Oh, so that’s how you see African Americans in today’s society. Yeah, that’s about right for you.
    Now you said that, he didn’t.”
    Only because “toe-to-toe bird law” is a spiteful, hateful (and incredibly stupid) racist at his core and was dumb enough to prove it on this here blog for all to see. If I could buy him for what he knows and sell him for what he thinks he knows, I could retire a millionaire on the profits.

  68. “Buffalo Hogan says:
    January 27, 2010 10:59 AM
    FYI — Free Speech does not mean “Free Speech when I agree” it means Free Speech all the time for all people whether you agree or not.”
    Actually, free speech means “the government won’t restrict speech (except in very specific cases)”. It doesn’t apply in this case because CBS is a private organization.
    No one seems to understand that freedom of speech only applies to government involvement.
    It’s not a free speech issue if you say something stupid, and someone calls you retarded. It’s not a free speech issue if someone takes issue with you using the term “retarded” because they have a retarded brother. It’s not a free speech issue if you call a coworker retarded and are fired for it.

  69. “I watched the segment out of curiosity. He asked her a question, she started her response and after THREE words he yelled at her and asked her a DIFFERENT question. And that was for every single question he asked. She wasn’t allowed to complete more than three words IN RESPONSE TO A SINGLE QUESTION HE ASKED.”
    TF….you watched the segment out of curiosity? It’s assholes like you that make that show #1 in the ratings. There aren’t enough right wing zealots to carry that shows ratings but idiots like you that “watch it out of curiosity” is why he is a multi-millionaire.

  70. This add is absolutely ridiculous. I hate everything about it.
    Signed,
    Ohio State and Oklahoma

  71. I think when Tebow gets to the NFL, he’ll feel aborted. I dont think he has “it” at the NFL level.
    As far as the politics of his SB ad. What’s the big deal…? For those against abortion, he’s living proof of support for their cause. However, for the Pro-Choice crowd….. why get your panties in a bunge..? Isnt choosing not to have an abortion when recommended by a doctor, pro-choice too…??
    The problem with the issue is it isnt a simple one. Im one who is very conservative fiscally yet, somewhat liberal socially. I support the pro-choice cause however, only early on in a pregnancy.

  72. Glennsjenny says:
    January 27, 2010 10:53 AM
    People are just threatened by someone with morals. That’s why there are so many Tebow-Haters! Planned Parenthood should put there money where there mouth is and put on their own ad – but they would never do that. Just sit and complain, but do nothing. That is the liberal -way!
    ————————————————-
    planned parenthood is a meidcal service, not a extreme fringe politlical group. their money is better spent other places, so they spend it accordingly.
    I find it hallirious that the same people that are anti-choice and claim that aborting a 2 month old collection of cells is the same as throwing a infant at a wall also tend to be the same people that don’t want welfare given to unwed teenage mothers.

  73. It’s a women’s body. It’s a women’s choice. It’s Tebow’s image and money. It’s Tebow’s choice. If you advocate taking away Tebow’s rights to speak, you advocate taking away your right to choice.

  74. My imitation of all the conservative posters on here-
    See, Obama is ruining the country sooo much that we finally get to have our day. All you pro-murder idiots who were dumb enough to believe that ObamaChrist was the second coming finally will feel the wrath when the Palin/Tebow ticket win and purge all the non-believers…
    My imitation of all the liberal posters on here-
    He should have been aborted, the guy is such a douchebag, and why do we have to hear about religion during a sports event. At the same time, I am wrong because free speech is part of the constitution. Oh sometimes I wish my mom would have had an abortion…
    I can’t decide which is funnier/sadder.

  75. realitypolice says:
    the Constitution is pretty clear on separation of Church and State.
    __________________________________
    Really??? Funny when I read the constitution this morning I could have sworn I DIDN’T see anything about separation of Church and state…. In fact the US Constitution to include ALL amendments doesn’t even include the word CHURCH!!! In fact let me post the 1st amendment for all of you who think you know what it says…..
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Don’t worry realitypolice I will still wake up tomorrow morning and put my uniform on to defend the very document that you choose to use incorrectly to make a pointless argument.

  76. One, free speech is free speech, whether you agree or not. It is like that with any topic. People who hate Tebow because he doesn’t believe the same thing as they do, simply show their immaturity.
    Two, because Tebow is an athlete, I admire the fact that he is willing to stand up for what he believes in and put himself out in the spotlight for people to criticize and hate.
    Third, Tebow is who he is and he shows that. That is why he is playing in the Senior Bowl. He is showing everyone that he is a hard-working, intelligent player who loves the game of football. Coming from a scouting standpoint, that stands out to me. While a lot of other players are simply focused on the combine and preparing for the draft, he is putting himself out for scouts and coaches to see just who they are getting if\when they draft him.
    I would give him a late 2nd\early 3rd round draft grade, and I don’t think he will make it out of the 2nd round.

  77. “Meanwhile, is it any wonder that the major networks aren’t complaining about last week’s Supreme Court ruling that corporations may spend unlimited sums in support of political candidates?”
    Of course pinko Florio conveniently fails to mention that his union buddies can spend an unlimited amount as well. Just to head off the idiot who chimes in with…”Well the corporations have a lot more money” here is a fun fact…the carpenter’s union pension fund for just the Philadelphia area contains just under $2 billion. This is where the majority of the union’s political money is pulled from. That’s one trade union and one small sliver of the country.

  78. kev2060 says:
    January 27, 2010 11:18 AM
    realitypolice says:
    the Constitution is pretty clear on separation of Church and State.
    __________________________________
    Really??? Funny when I read the constitution this morning I could have sworn I DIDN’T see anything about separation of Church and state…. In fact the US Constitution to include ALL amendments doesn’t even include the word CHURCH!!! In fact let me post the 1st amendment for all of you who think you know what it says…..
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Don’t worry realitypolice I will still wake up tomorrow morning and put my uniform on to defend the very document that you choose to use incorrectly to make a pointless argument.
    ————————————————–
    Good thing reading comprehension is not something stressed in the millitary.

  79. BTW, all you pro-lifers should recognize that abortion may not be particularly moral, but it sure is good for society.
    I know you like to think it’s just successful white career women getting abortions because they are selfish, but the truth is abortions are far more heavily performed on the underprivileged and teenagers. And they are 100% performed on people who aren’t prepared or willing to raise the kids. And guess what happens to kids that aren’t raised in loving homes by willing parents….they usually end up being drains on society (either through welfare or in the prison system, and man, you guys sure do hate those two groups of people don’t you?)
    How different do you think this story would be if Tebow’s mom wanted an abortion, but was forced to have him……you think he’d be a celebrity right now?
    And I won’t even get into the fact that overpopulation is what is going to destroy this planet.

  80. Buffalo hogan makes the definitive point on the matter. I’m a moderate about most things, I actually completely disagree with the intent of the Tebow ad , and I am pro choice, but the right to free speech is a much bigger issue. It seems to me that liberals are only liberals when it suits them ; they believe in complete freedom about everything except opposing viewpoints. When you disagree, they want you fired from your job, your business shut down, your ads barred from the air, or want you otherwise marginalized. If you feel strongly enough about something then you should be more than happy to allow others to present an opposing point of view. If they had the money to pay for it, then that group has every right to ask CBS to put it on the air. If you agree, great, if you don’t , great. BTW, I doubt that Tebow will have anywhere near the issues in an NFL locker room that people will think he’ll have; there are religious people on every team ( Reggie White was always well respected in his locker room) , as well as plenty of players that agree with his life philosophies. Those that don’t agree will only care how he plays on the football field, and rightly so.

  81. Is it really a “trend”? Or is CBS just suddenly declaring it a “trend” even though there’s no real “trend” at all in them doing this?
    The only “trend” has been to repeatedly deny any and all liberal/progressive advocacy ads up to this point. Conservatives love to rail against the ‘liberal media’ and ‘political correctness’, but they never seem to look closely enough to realize that PC keeps a lot more liberal thought off the airwaves than conservative thought. Turn on the radio, turn on TV broadcasts–there’s no competition. Whole networks are devoted to religious-right thinking.
    Now, just before the game, when remaining ad slots are probably dwindling and most expensive, CBS throws open the door–which of course will leave most who would have otherwise submitted ‘counterprogramming’ unprepared to do so.
    It’s pathetic and pandering. What’s next, Tony Dungy giving a sermon at halftime?

  82. topcide says:
    Good thing reading comprehension is not something stressed in the millitary.
    __________________________________
    Must be one of those libtards I keep hearing about…. posts nothing of substence only ridicule.
    So to further help you out, the separation of church and state was coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Danbury Priests ensuring that the STATE would not interfere with their church. He assured their PROTECTION under the 1st amendment. Next time do some research before you come on here to spue your drivel…. unless of course you are a TROLL!!!

  83. Keve2060,
    The Constitution also says nothing about the executive office of the President. Meaning that offices like the FBI, CIA, NEA, and NSA would be deemed illegal under such strict construction. The separation of Church and State is implied with the first line. “Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion…” means that laws can’t be passed giving deference to biblical or sharia law, for example.
    Now, since neither you or I are Constitutional Scholars or a federal judges, neither of us are in any position to interpret the Constitution. It’s a 200 year old document, which never took into account the fact that television might exist at some point in the future. Because of this glaring problem, it becomes hard for anyone but the most learned to make such assertions about the meaning of the document. It’s meaning has evolved and will continue to evolve. There’s no two buts about it.

  84. I can’t wait for this clown to go down like Tiger.
    I also can’t wait to see how many idiots go through with pregnancies when their doctors say “This will probably kill you”, and then die. lolz.

  85. “Don’t worry realitypolice I will still wake up tomorrow morning and put my uniform on to defend the very document that you choose to use incorrectly to make a pointless argument.”
    Thanks – and my tax dollars will pay your salary. I guess I play a critical role in our nation’s defense as well? Don’t I? Because bullets cost money.
    Not that I think creating a powerful Shiite dominated Iraq was a great idea, as it strengtens the hand of our greatest rival / threat to Israel in the region. But when you have a saccharin marketing exec running the Pentagon, that’s bound to happen. Funny, no conservatives were complaining much then.
    We are talking about the military, and not McDonald’s. Right?

  86. There recently was an article in the St. Petersburg Fl. Times. The
    Business Section asked readers for ideas on: “How Would You Fix the Economy?”
    I think this guy nailed it!
    Dear Mr. President,
    Please find below my suggestion for fixing America ‘s economy. Instead of giving billions of dollars to companies that will squander the money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following plan. You can call it the “Patriotic Retirement Plan”:
    There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force. Pay them $1 million apiece severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:
    1) They MUST retire. Forty million job openings – Unemployment fixed.
    2) They MUST buy a new American CAR. Forty million cars ordered – Auto Industry fixed.
    3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage – Housing Crisis fixed .
    It can’t get any easier than that!!
    P.S. If more money is needed, have all members in Congress pay their taxes…
    Mr. President, while you’re at it, make Congress retire on Social
    Security and Medicare. I’ll bet both programs would be fixed pronto!

  87. Silver&Black666 says:
    January 27, 2010 10:05 AM
    I seriously doubt that if I paid enough money they would let me run and add that said:
    Come join the church of Satan we pay for your abortions!
    So forget the “they will let anyone with money run an add” theory.
    A bunch of stupid christians run this country and it makes me sick how they retard our children and stop stem cell testing etc. etc….
    ______________
    Uhm, no, Christians are by and far the last thing that “run” this country. They probably wouldn’t run your ad because it would be a poor business decision, not because of free speech. No one’s gonna take bad money .

  88. “And they are 100% performed on people who aren’t prepared or willing to raise the kids. And guess what happens to kids that aren’t raised in loving homes by willing parents….they usually end up being drains on society (either through welfare or in the prison system, and man, you guys sure do hate those two groups of people don’t you?)”
    Ever heard of “adoption”?

  89. kaoticbandito,
    $2 billion for a pension fund??? That money was taken from people’s checks you twit. You know how a little bit gets taken from each paycheck and it goes to state taxes, federal taxes, social security and part of it goes to a pension, perhaps, and the amount gets matched by the company if you have a union.
    How about $16 billion bonuses for Goldman Sachs? That could have given each one of their employees half a million dollars.
    Merril Lynch gave $27 billion in executive bonuses.
    So please, go wax your boner over a state-wide pension fund, which isn’t money that the union can even spend, somewhere else. It doesn’t even compare to the amount of extra money that one single bank has.
    Also, an insurance company like Allstate carries at least$400 billion in it’s reserves, or at least that’s how much they had five years ago when Hurricane Katrina hit.
    Corporations have way way more money than unions do.
    And remember “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” – Benito Mussolini.

  90. “Everyone has the freedom to to do whatever they want in this country. Whether you agree, or disagree. You cant argue in favor of freedom, and then try to push any view onto a group of people. You either have freedom, or you dont. The freedom of choice cant go anywhere. Once you take that freedom away, or any freedom for that matter, you might as well take away all freedoms…. Having the ability to choose is what America is all about, right or wrong……..”
    Not true. You don’t have the freedom to do whatever you want, there are all kinds of laws that regulate that. Otherwise theft and every other crime right up to Murder would be legal. In my mind Abortion IS murder so nope that’s not a viable choice and yes it should be outlawed. Avoiding it because some folks might still do it illegally or get on a plane is a copout.
    OH and NEWSFLASH: Abortion ISN’T a religious issue, it’s a moral one.
    The woman’s choice is irrelevant IMO because it is superceded by the baby’s RIGHT to live. If you’re going to talk about choice then include the baby’s, otherwise shut your pie hole about choice, you’re being intellectually lazy.
    Another NEWSFLASH: Conservative does not equal religious.
    I’m an atheist and think Abortion is murder and wrong, this isn’t about religion.

  91. @Vox Veritas:
    It seems you just like to complain. About everything. I suppose bitterness, both random and focused, is held in high regard these days.
    In your case, does it help to relieve daily stress?Make you feel better about yourself?
    Man, I hope so.
    Because if it serves no other purpose than to add to an already oversaturated market of ignorant, hateful, mostly illiterate people, then whats the point of living?

  92. .VoxVeritas says:
    January 27, 2010 10:47 AM
    a stupid one at that. An Obama voter, no doubt.
    ————————————————-
    Look, just because I didn’t grow up on a Texas farm like you, where weekends were spent molesting cattle and then wiping their spooge all over your Magic cards, doesn’t mean you have to hate on Obama voters. I’m not the one denigrating an entire voting population, you are. Just because you made a completely ignorant, blatantly racist statement in the 4th comment in this topic, doesn’t mean you have to broadcast your hate to football fans who frequesnt this site. You can hate quietly in your little dungeon. Please don’t do it on here.

  93. OranjelloJones,
    You won’t believe me but I have a degree in political science, not that it makes me a supreme egghead on the subject but it’s worth noting. First, I’ll say it, I’m pro-choice, and I have absolutely zero problem with this ad airing. I would only have a problem with it if the focus on the family group demanded that a pro-choice ad be pulled (which they likely would).
    Secondly, I didn’t read all of your gigantic post but I read something that’s a glaring misconception. Your textbook definition of neo-conservatism. One of the first things that they teach you in a political science program is that ideological definitions evolve and aren’t always that same.
    For instance, Herbert Hoover called the New Deal fascism…How? Everyone nowadays would argue that it’s more socialism, which is more accurate. Eisenhower warned of the political industrial complex, something that he feared was fascism. He, however, is probably more correct.
    The active definition for neo-cons now, is a group of conservatives who believe that laying down core principles of a democracy in a traditionally undemocratic region (Iraq), will, without question, lead to the development of a functioning democracy.
    Bill Kristol, Sean Hannity, Paul Wolfolwitz, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, and Donald Rumsfeld are neo-cons .
    Your textbook definition of neo-conservatism doesn’t apply to anyone…that’s why we don’t use it.
    Also, I was pro-life until my sister became a social worker and told me how the government has little interest vested in the proper development of children. If you’re going to force people to have the baby, you should cover the cost of their health care.

  94. @TFBuck Futter: I think everyone understands that the “free speech” doctrine only applies to government. That said, it’s disingenuous to use an example of someone saying something offensive like the word “retarded” , and making the point that free speech doesn’t apply in the private sector. You’ll be happy to know that an NFL team ( Eagles) fired an employee for using that very word in referring to his teams decision on Brian Dawkins within the last year. There were people that criticized the team for being so petty, and those that said they had every right to do so. There is no doubt that they had the legal right to do so, the debate before the house was should they have done it. Now in this case, the Tebow people are not trying to offend anyone, they just disagree. As I said, I disagree with their premise. But they have every right to their opinion. More and more people who call themselves liberal have spent the better part of the last 20 years saying as long as the government doesn’t show up and arrest you for your views, that all other sanctions (loss of livelihood, loss of social standing, loss of business) are just fine and dandy. To me , that’s a slippery slope, the bottom of which could contain what everyone fears, that is, that the government will eventually sanction people for their point of view. I doubt that was the intent of the founding fathers ; I think the real truth probably lies with those that say ” I completely disagree with your point of view, but our country has fought wars for your right to say it”

  95. The women groups just need to shut up. I don’t see them getting angry about all of the half naked girls in the go daddy commercials that air during the Super Bowl, or all of the girls in the Beer ads. Good for Tebow and his family. They aren’t trying to shove their agenda down our throats, they’re just trying to inspire people. I totally disagree with their stance, but I will watch the commercial and listen to it. Good for them.

  96. Full Disclosure: I do not believe that there are magical people in the sky that see and know everything, but to each his own.
    The man behind the add is Dr. James Dobson, who believes, among other things that Sponge Bob is the face of a vast homosexual agenda, children should be corporally punished, but only with an implement so as not to associate the parent’s hand with anything but love, and that homosexuality can be prayed out of a man. Either nobody told Tebow this, or he is making a conscious decision to line up with this clown and I don’t know which is worse.
    I’m also a combat Vet (173rd ABN 74th LRSD) and I don’t understand why other Vets feel like they are the only ones that have a right to talk about the constitution/freedom because they “fought for it”. Spare me. From where I was (Shah Wali Kot, Taji, and Kandahar), we weren’t fighting to defend freedom, we were slaughtering people that attacked us because of among other things, our loyalty to Israel, which I was fine with. I’m all about killing bad guys, but don’t take such a Toby Keith view on why we’re there. How can you say that you wear the uniform to defend freedom but then attack someone that has a dissenting view from your own? My experience tells me that Servicemembers with such a myopic view on the situation tend to be waaaaaay back in the rear with the gear, free from having to actually attempt to understand why we do what we do and the harsh reality of combat. I pity their ignorance. I also take issue with the guys that are alluding to the fact that Soldiers or Marines are not intelligent. There are some very bright people at the tip of our spear that perform at an extremely high level under conditions you could not begin to imagine and could never understand unless you experience it.
    This guy Dobson is about hate and divisiveness and whether you are a liberal or a conservative, you have to realize that there is no place for that. Shame on Tim Tebow and the people around him.

  97. There was a study conducted by one of the USA’s premier economists Steven Levitt that assembled the data necessary to draw a direct correlation to the Roe v. Wade decision and the corresponding drop in violent crime in the mid 90’s because there was a smaller talent pool of sh*tbags. Contrasting this was his study on the ban of abortion in Romania: Controlling for composition using observable background variables, children born after the ban on abortions had worse educational and labor market achievements as adults. Additionally, I provide evidence of crowding in the school system and some suggestive evidence that cohorts born after the introduction of the abortion ban had higher infant mortality and increased criminal behavior later in life.’
    Also, in my opinion, the constitutional issue regarding this has much more to do with the Commerce Clause (Article 1 Section 8) than it does with free speech.

  98. My only problem is that CBS flatly refused an ad in 2004 from the United Church of Christ – the ad highlighted that church’s pro-gay and lesbian stance. I guess CBS said yesterday that they changed their stance on advocacy ads, but I remain skeptical.

  99. Lebron Jeremy, (it was long but worth the read IMOya shoulda bit the bullet and read on 😉 ) right on the definition has evolved. My point was simply that those like the person quoted who use it as a pejorative descriptor for anyone espousing conservative or right leaning philosophy tend to have no clue what it actually means nor its origins.
    And it’s great that you hit on the foreign policy aspect of it because that’s what it centers on and you’ve got yutzes like this guy incorrectly using the term in a domestic sense. IOW neo-con does not equal republican or even conservative the way it is pejoritavely used.
    Oh and as long as it’s getting personal here. Been close to it myself. My sister has had 2 abortions (and also adopted out 2 kids one of which came from a rape) so it’s not like I’m completely clueless about the dynamics here. Most abortions are received by women who have already had one and most also are used as birth control. Don’t even get me started on Planned Parenthood and their bunk.
    It’s a murky topic no doubt with all kinds of “yea but’s” but after thinking about it for over 3 decades I’m 100% anti abortion. Not anti choice, anti abortion because to me until the kid gets equal rights there is no point in talking about choice. Oh and I was “pro choice” until I became a father FWIW. I remain this way even in the face of my own quite liberal Foster Care agent wife who tells me a different horror story every day. Her question was “Would you want to grow up the child of a rape?” My answer is “Yea I’d want to live, all the rest is secondary. It’s not the kid’s fault their parent was scum, why should they die for it?”

  100. RichieBugs83 says: January 27, 2010 12:50 PM
    “This guy Dobson is about hate and divisiveness and whether you are a liberal or a conservative, you have to realize that there is no place for that. Shame on Tim Tebow and the people around him. ”
    First reasonable criticism I’ve read of this yet.
    Thanks for serving.

  101. @Richiebugs83: I agree with the others that your post was the best so far, but I do believe that it’s better to let Dr. Dobson’s absurd and sick ideas to be put out there to the mainstream public, so they can identify him as the nutjob he truly is. I don’t think his ideas would be divisive, since any reasonable person on either side of the issue at hand would realize how ridiculous his views are and dismiss them as such. Like you said, Tebow may not even know everything this guy stands for, if he did I doubt that he would stand behind him. If he would, then like you said, shame on him.

  102. Richie Bugs83 says:
    I’m also a combat Vet (173rd ABN 74th LRSD) and I don’t understand why other Vets feel like they are the only ones that have a right to talk about the constitution/freedom because they “fought for it”.
    – I am not saying “they don’t have the right to talk about the US Constitution” I am arguing that IF you use the US Constitution in an argument don’t twist it or even misquote the constitution to further your personal view. As a former vet that should anger you!
    How can you say that you wear the uniform to defend freedom but then attack someone that has a dissenting view from your own?
    – See Above, I have an issue with Americans making a mockery of a document I have pledged to “Support and Defend” and have yet to make my view known.
    My experience tells me that Servicemembers with such a myopic view on the situation tend to be waaaaaay back in the rear with the gear, free from having to actually attempt to understand why we do what we do and the harsh reality of combat. I pity their ignorance.
    – I AGREE 100%, however this is not the case, I won’t get into a Di*k measuring contest on a posting board.
    I also take issue with the guys that are alluding to the fact that Soldiers or Marines are not intelligent. There are some very bright people at the tip of our spear that perform at an extremely high level under conditions you could not begin to imagine and could never understand unless you experience it.
    – We agree on many points but I think you make too many assumptions based on clearly articulated written words on your computer screen.

  103. My objection is not the MESSAGE . I would object to ANY political message during the SB. I don’t care if it was pro choice, pro life, pro this , anti this. My problem is that I don’t think that this is the time or the place for that. I want to watch the GAME. I don’t want to deal with abortion or any political issue during the GAME. This ad is going to distract from the attention being paid to the two teams who busted their rumps to make it to the big game for all the marbles. People will be (and already are) yapping about this ad than the game. Yes, yes, I KNOW the mantra: don’t like it, don’t watch it. I KNOW THAT. A five year old child would know that. That is not the point. If I am watching the Super Bowl, I want to discuss the game and the fun ads. I don’t want to get into a discussion about abortion. What is gonna be next? A death penalty ad during the SB? Nonsense. I have a priest to preach about abortion, and other issues. If I want to hear a debate about abortion, I will put on MSNBC, or Fox News, or any of those shows. I do not want to hear about it during a football game.

  104. Cornerdenizen says:
    January 27, 2010 12:17 PM
    @Vox Veritas:
    It seems you just like to complain. About everything. I suppose bitterness, both random and focused, is held in high regard these days.
    In your case, does it help to relieve daily stress?Make you feel better about yourself?
    Man, I hope so.
    Because if it serves no other purpose than to add to an already oversaturated market of ignorant, hateful, mostly illiterate people, then whats the point of living?
    ———————————————–
    I’m not sure why he’s like that. I can only speculate that he doesn’t get enough attention in the real world, so he decides to make divisive comments on the internet in order to generate attention. Very sad. You’ll notice that he never has anything positive to say about any non-Cowboy player, yet he’ll defend even the most embarrassing Cowboy behavior(Flozell Adams tripping, for example).
    I’m an Eagles fan, but I have a blast watching the Sunday exploits of guys like Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Darrelle Revis, Andre Johnson, Aaron Rodgers, Phillip Rivers, Ray Lewis, Frank Gore and many others. Guys/girls/FBI-monitored child predators like Vox watch football to blindly praise their local team and vilify everyone else in the league. I’m not a mental health professional, but I think it’s quite obvious that the guy needs help.

  105. NachoBidness
    Your not that bright are you….most christians are retarded they think the earth is only 10,000 years old so I do forgive you for doubting science and reality so you can live in a fantasy world….but here is where I draw the line.
    You said no one is going to take bad money…..I pose this question to all here….how many of you would take “BAD” money?
    I thought so!

  106. OranjelloJones,
    I appreciate greatly the fact that you call yourself anti-abortion, as opposed to pro-life (even though I called myself pro-choice earlier only for lack of a better term). And I completely respect your opinion on the matter, and I couldn’t imagine how it must have felt to have your sister have 2 abortions. A good friend of mine recently informed me that she aborted a pregnancy two months ago, and it nearly reduced me to tears. I would never want anyone I would know (like a close friend’s child) to be aborted.
    But the fact that you feel she shouldn’t have been able to get an abortion doesn’t make you “anti-choice,” as some call it, just as the fact that I feel like she should have a choice doesn’t make me “pro-abortion.”
    The traditional labels “pro-life,” “pro-choice,” and the derisive labels “anti-choice,” and “pro-abortion” do no justice to the integrity of the debate because neither are descriptively accurate.
    But we can both agree that we need to cut down on the number of unwanted pregnancies. And I hope that credo can usher in a new generation of thought on the issue.

  107. @ Kev2060
    No offense intended at all. I mean no disrespect to your sentiments and I don’t think that I’m an authority on this or anything. If I misread your opinions, my apologies. I feel the way I feel because that is how I cope with the things I experienced.

  108. VoxVeritas,
    Dumber, and more gullible? I’ll tell you what, I’ll see your high school diploma and raise you two MDs (not DOs, which are easier to get) one phd in history, one masters in psychology, and of course there’s my undergrad degree in political science, which I’m following up with a doctorate program.
    This, pal, happens to be my family. All of us voted for Obama. We must be the college elite. Well, whatever. I know won’t believe me (nobody ever does) but this is all true. My family made education and critical thinking staples of our lives as children.
    In fact, if you ever went to college (obviously you didn’t) you would know that those people who you have to call “doctor” or “professor” usually aren’t that dumb. And, AND, a lot, probably most, of them voted for Obama.

  109. I hear ya LebronJeremy that’s the problem with labels in general. They tend to pigeon hole people and almost none of us fits into any of these so called categories completely. We all tend to have differing opinions based on issues and our background as opposed to something in line with a talking points memo or political platform. That’s why I hate the whole conservative/liberal label thing and especially hate the oft misused term neo-con, it’s right up there with “fascist” and “nazi” as terms that are ignorantly used in what seems ubiquitous fashion by all sides. Someone wants to label themselves something then fine but when people are labeled by others we just end up in these stupid divided camps that seem to accomplish almost nothing but more division.
    It boils down to a glorified version of “I know you are, but what am I?” and makes me want to go Rip Van Winkle and go to sleep for a couple decades.

  110. LebronJeremy says: January 27, 2010 3:18 PM
    “In fact, if you ever went to college (obviously you didn’t) you would know that those people who you have to call “doctor” or “professor” usually aren’t that dumb. And, AND, a lot, probably most, of them voted for Obama.”
    That just proves being smart and acting stupid aren’t mutually exclusive. I’ve seen a World renowned Mathematician who couldn’t add up his change at a McDonald’s drive through (true story, made me blow snot laughing)…go figure. 😉

  111. OranjelloJones,
    Yeah I probably was being a little over-the-top with educated=smarter rant. I get very irked when I hear people suggest that one person or another is dumber for their opinion. And I get really really irked when it’s not even remotely true, as in this case.
    Truth be told, I hate politics. Like you said the liberal/conservative characterization of the world is completely regressive. I got into political science because functions of government interest me. But through my education, I’ve only become more liberal, I guess you could say. Although, I am not A liberal.
    But I take extreme pride in my education and my savvy. I was never athletic, never a teenage heartthrob, and never even that suave with the ladies, but I was always smart. And especially when it comes to politics, I tend to weigh my options more carefully than most. I put a lot of thought into voting for Obama.
    I definitely try not to come off as being pedantic, and I don’t ever try to make people feel stupid, unless they deserve it, like that a-hole did.
    And I absolutely believe that a mathematician wouldn’t know how to add change haha. I was pals with an astrophysicist at a near-by state college. He was one of those guys who just seemed to know everything, but he once told me that simple math is the most difficult for him because “it’s nothing like riding a bike; you absolutely forget.” Nonetheless, I’m sure that was hilarious.

  112. # .VoxVeritas says: January 27, 2010 10:59 AM
    “obamas doing such a bad job, why cant he be a good president like the guy who came out of the lone star state a few years back”
    You mean the guy that got reelected? We’ll see if the US is dumb enough to reelect the community organizer from Chicago after his disastrous presidency, which is on par to replace Jimmy Carter’s as worst ever.
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    Actually I would nominate Barbara Bush’s great grandfather, Franklin Pierce, as worst president in US History. Dos some research, you may just agree.

  113. # Bill Cowher’s Chin says: January 27, 2010 10:56 AM
    Realitypolice, I completely agree with your overall point, right up until you brought up the Constitution.
    There is no such thing as separation of church and state. That is a fallacy. The Constitution simply says, in laymen terms, there will be no national religion. The Church of England as an example. There is no, and there never will be, a Church of the United States.
    Beyond that, I am not a Republican, or a Democrat, I am Independent. I dont give a rats ass about abortion. I hate pro choicers that want to convince me that I should be pro choice. I hate pro lifers that think they need to convince me to be pro life. Everyone has the freedom to to do whatever they want in this country. Whether you agree, or disagree. You cant argue in favor of freedom, and then try to push any view onto a group of people. You either have freedom, or you dont. The freedom of choice cant go anywhere. Once you take that freedom away, or any freedom for that matter, you might as well take away all freedoms…. Having the ability to choose is what America is all about, right or wrong……..
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    I totally agree with the chin. But I think we need to extend the freedoms a bit.
    I know I will probably get blasted for this, but Ricky Williams had it right. Marijuana, a naturally occurring substance should be a choice we get to make. It is only illegal because of the harm that it caused the paper and clothing industry and the power that their $$$ had over the government.
    Do some research, and if you can honestly tell me it is more harmful to an individual or society than alcohol, well, then, I guess I will just have to surmise that you are an idiot.

  114. CBS and the NFL are full of crap. They say they can’t pull the Tebow ad, yet they have pulled ads in the past. Last year they would not allow Ashley Madison to air an ad.
    Any ad that takes away from the game should be pulled. Let us enjoy the damn game without having to have a debate about family values and such.

  115. Pack_Attack says:
    January 27, 2010 9:46 AM
    Theyre complaining about an ad no one has seen. About the supreme court ruling, like it or dont it upholds the constitution which is something we should all embrace.
    The Supreme Court, at one time, also said slavery was “constitutional”.

  116. Unless I woke up in a country that bars FREE SPEECH leave him alone about the Ad everyone is due his thoughts on the subject,don,t like it don,t watch simple as that. As long as there is NO violence in this matter its comes under the heading of his thougts on this subject. Now how hard is that???????

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