Minnesota Governor says funding for stadium not in budget proposal

In theory, the excitement generated by the 2009 Vikings, with a 12-4 season, a rollicking romp over the Cowboys in the division round of the playoffs, and an NFC title game for the ages should have been enough to shake some public money out of the tree that is Minnesota government.

But with fiscal problems making said tree look like the thing Charlie Brown bought at a very steep discount, Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty said Tuesday that his proposal for a new state budget will not include funding for a new Vikings stadium, according to Mike Kaszuba of the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

(Mr. Wilf?  Ed Roski is on line 2.  Again.)

Pawlenty suggested last week that a new lottery game could help fund the venue.  Regardless of he ultimate plan, the clock is ticking more loudly than the heel of Marisa Tomei’s boot

The Metrodome lease expires after the 2011 season — and the Vikings have no plans to renew it.

And so the Vikings in two seasons will become stadium free agents, which means that they should be the top targets for a move to Los Angeles.

172 responses to “Minnesota Governor says funding for stadium not in budget proposal

  1. They were indeed all in in 09! Welfare franchise that Favred away their season, their stadium, and quite possibly their city.

  2. To the Vikings haters, they won’t be moving. There will be a new stadium in a few years. This funding not being in a budget proposal is a non story. To those who want them to move, you cling to these types of stories and touch yourself to them. In the end you will be denied and the Vikings will be playing in a new stadium in Minnesota not LA.

  3. so if the Vikings move where does that put the NFC North? Los Angeles Vikings? really? so the Packers Bears Lions and La Vikings in the NFC North? geographically doesn’t work, since the head honchos in the NFL want an l.a. team so bad then move the Raiders or Chargers or Rams that way it doesn’t mess up the division, they’ll still be an AFC West or NFC west
    p.s. LA already has a team…USC

  4. I have given Viking fans a lot of grief over the past few weeks but being a Saints fan I know how it feels to be threatened with your team leaving. As many arguments as I have been in with Vike fans I know they are passionate about their football. I don’t wish that on anyone. LA never supports football, teams always leave. Pretty pathetic for a major market.

  5. but will the people of L.A. pick up the Minnesota tradition of whining about losses? without that, the Vikings just won’t be the Vikings.

  6. Start up the moving trucks, the caravan is LA bound. There is a history of LA stealing Mpls based teams in purple uniforms, combine that with a lack of ticket buying fans, the NFL’s disgust with battling season ticket holding state judges and a lack of a good local weed supply since Randy Moss left town and it all adds up.
    Look at the bright side, no more high speed traffic violations that threaten the local citizen’s safety, no more illicit criminal activity on rented boats and the court system is now wide open to prosecute regular thugs and punks instead of Vikings wrapping their kid’s head’s in plastic bags, ticket scalpers and whizanator violations.

  7. Silly Governor trying to use money to rebuild his economy rather than build a silly football stadium. Good for them. Maybe the Vikings should just suck it up for another season or 2 and then try again.

  8. GET ME REWRITE!
    “In fact, the continuing record of post-season futility generated by the 2009 Vikings, with a 12-4 season, an actual win against an opponent in the division round of the playoffs, and yet another early exit from post-season play was indeed enough to ensure yet another year in the wilderness for football’s blue bumblers.”

  9. did pawlenty blame democrats for this problem? or maybe he said “let’s put in God’s hands”? i know, it was al franken’s fault.

  10. JimmySmith says:
    February 10, 2010 12:08 PM
    Start up the moving trucks, the caravan is LA bound. There is a history of LA stealing Mpls based teams in purple uniforms, combine that with a lack of ticket buying fans, the NFL’s disgust with battling season ticket holding state judges and a lack of a good local weed supply since Randy Moss left town and it all adds up.
    Look at the bright side, no more high speed traffic violations that threaten the local citizen’s safety, no more illicit criminal activity on rented boats and the court system is now wide open to prosecute regular thugs and punks instead of Vikings wrapping their kid’s head’s in plastic bags, ticket scalpers and whizanator violations.
    ——-
    Well said jimmy

  11. A city that doesn’t support their team with a new stadium doesn’t deserve a team. Not that LA is any better, but at least they’ll fund a stadium.
    At least you have the Twins and Timerwolves.

  12. Minnesota can’t support a franchise hahaha! I am so sick of the ViQUEENS. Please leave…the best thing would be to completely abolish the Vikings franchise…after all, it’s clear NO ONE CARES about them.
    GO PACK!

  13. Vikings fans, I know some of you have taken shots at the saints here and elsewhere the last few weeks and months (Hello Pervy….), but you guys really need to get a stadium deal done soon. I know you support your team and want to have them stay in your state, but somebody will probably be moving to Los Angeles and without a new stadium deal, the prime candidates include the Vikings. Didn’t the Lakers play in Minnesota at some point……
    Not trying to rub any salt into the wounds, but get a stadium deal done or watch out for the poachers from California. We came close to losing our team a few years ago to a bunch of thieves from San Antonio led by their mayor and our owner, so I feel your pain. Your current stadium is a joke. I have been there and it is actually worse than Candlestick, and that is saying something.
    I hope you guys work something out. If not I guess the Vikings will be in the West and the Niners will play them twice a year. Where would the Vikings fans place their new allegiance? Chicago, Green Bay or the Winnipeg Blue Bombers?

  14. Back up the truck!
    Back it up!
    I pray that this happens, that way I dont have to hear one more ignorant dipshit, who knows nothing about football, flap his jaws about how great this shitbag organization is……
    Mr. Wilf, I ask, cut your losses and move these douchebags to LA.

  15. hankstramcbsradio says:
    February 10, 2010 12:01 PM
    To the Vikings haters, they won’t be moving. There will be a new stadium in a few years. This funding not being in a budget proposal is a non story. To those who want them to move, you cling to these types of stories and touch yourself to them. In the end you will be denied and the Vikings will be playing in a new stadium in Minnesota not LA
    —————————————
    Soooooo, if their lease expires after the 2011 season, are they going to build this stadium overnight? The longer they wait, the less time they’ll have to build a new shithole for them.

  16. 2012 cannot come fast enough. Two more years and Viking fans will have nothing to cheer for on Sundays. Serves them right. The fans and the owner are too cheap to finance the majority of new stadium expenses. Instead they think their busted ass state can pay for it. Sorry Viking fans, if you don’t want it bad enough to pay for it, then you don’t deserve a team.
    I can’t wait to see that redneck Jared Allen try to fit into a city like L.A. Unless he wants to get shot in a drive-by he’ll have to quit wearing flannel shirts like the homeboys. Hell, they might just shoot him anyway. I hear there’s a standing rule, “No mullets in California”.

  17. With the State in a 1+ billion dollar shortfall, how does building a stadium become worth it? If LA wants to go further into debt, let them.

  18. Having flashbacks! Having flashbacks!
    So this could very well be the last season of the Minnesota Vikings…(strike in 2011).
    Ugh, I feel for you guys.

  19. start up a new lottery game with all the profit going to strictly the VIKINGS stadium ?????not a bad idea , there ya go ziggy. you start it up , then you can pay for the stadium , and tripple the value of the VIKINGS

  20. After the playoff loss to the Vikes in Lamblow (their only playoff game EVER against each other) and after this year of suffering two ass beatings at the hands of your franchise’s all-time favorite player…I can understand why Packers fans want the Vikes to move.
    JimmySmithBlows!

  21. The AFC already has two CA teams to the NFC’s one. Move the Vikings to the NFC West and bump the Rams up to the NFC North. It’s not like the Rams have any decent rivalrly in the NFC West right now, and the NFC North will still have Green Bay-Chicago. And that will give the Packers another soft dome team to beat the crap out of.

  22. “A city that doesn’t support their team with a new stadium doesn’t deserve a team. Not that LA is any better, but at least they’ll fund a stadium.

    LA will not spend a penny to build a stadium. It will come from Mr. Roski and his buddies.
    And when the team lands in LA, can we get rid of that “Vikings” name please?
    The only Vikings in these parts is Santa Monica High School.

  23. My goodness! Can someone please explain to me what the Vikings and fans, like me, have done to hurt you all so bad? Seriously! What have we done?

  24. WarrenMoonGOAT says:
    February 10, 2010 12:01 PM
    so if the Vikings move where does that put the NFC North? Los Angeles Vikings? really? so the Packers Bears Lions and La Vikings in the NFC North? geographically doesn’t work, since the head honchos in the NFL want an l.a. team so bad then move the Raiders or Chargers or Rams that way it doesn’t mess up the division, they’ll still be an AFC West or NFC west
    p.s. LA already has a team…USC
    ===================================
    No, genius. The divisions would be realigned if the Vikes were to move. The Vikes would go to the NFC West and the Rams would go to the NFC North.

  25. there goes jimmysmith saying the same bullshit he says in every post…
    where are your funny little names? i kinda miss em…
    even to this vikes fan you’re usually kinda funny…but your old randy moss joke is OLD…get some new material

  26. YES!! move these douches now. I just have 1 question, Will Pervy be moving as well? MN deserves this, that whole organazation is filled with girls that are to big of pussies to even play outside. Look at it this way. Stadium should cost less cause it won’t need a roof, wait does it rain much in LA? I’d hate to see these girls get wet. SO LONG BITCHES!!!!!!!
    SKOL!!!!!!!!!!!

  27. TheHydraPart6 says:
    February 10, 2010 12:15 PM
    JimmySmith says:
    February 10, 2010 12:08 PM
    Start up the moving trucks, the caravan is LA bound. There is a history of LA stealing Mpls based teams in purple uniforms, combine that with a lack of ticket buying fans, the NFL’s disgust with battling season ticket holding state judges and a lack of a good local weed supply since Randy Moss left town and it all adds up.
    Look at the bright side, no more high speed traffic violations that threaten the local citizen’s safety, no more illicit criminal activity on rented boats and the court system is now wide open to prosecute regular thugs and punks instead of Vikings wrapping their kid’s head’s in plastic bags, ticket scalpers and whizanator violations.
    ——-
    Well said jimmy
    ==============================
    Super:
    That you agree with this turd speaks volumes.
    I lost a lot of respect for you today.
    ===================================
    To the rest of you morons. What is there to gain for you packer fans if the Vikings leave?
    You lose a 50 year rivalry. That isn’t good for football.
    Hate the team and fans all you want, but the game would not be the same for you either.
    Just like Pitt/ Clev doesn’t really mean anything anymore.
    I don’t expect any less out of you people though.
    99.9% of you are not only football idiots, you are life idiots.
    Even if they move, I will remain a fan. I was born and raised in Wisconsin, I just don’t let my home state dictate what fan I am a fan of.
    You didn’t really get to choose your team. You HAD to root for the Packers, if you didn’t I’m sure your dads taped you to a chair with a Packer jersey on.

  28. Rams, Bears, and Lions in the NFC North. Then the Packers should change their name to the Green Bay Mooses (or Gooses) so we have an all-animal division.

  29. After the playoff loss to the Vikes in Lamblow (their only playoff game EVER against each other) and after this year of suffering two ass beatings at the hands of your franchise’s all-time favorite player…I can understand why Packers fans want the Vikes to move.
    ————————————————–
    Just another rehash of the same tired story. As long as they beat the Packers, the Vikings’ season is considered a smashing success by their fans. Aim higher, Viking Fans!!!!

  30. TO EVERYONE WHO KEEPS ON PUSHING FOR THE VIKINGS TO MOVE TO LA…well first its not going to happen. Lets just get that straightened out. Second, you do realize that every single time you guys express your wishes for that to happen that its only because you are afraid of the Vikings in your conference. No one is saying “Oh geez I really want the Lions to move to L.A.”. Thats because the Lions are an almost guaranteed 2 wins in the NFC North. You guys are just strengthening the position that the Vikings have a foothold on being a power in the NFC North. No wonder the Packers and Bears want them to leave…the Vikings are a legitimate threat to their playoff hopes. So go ahead, keep on ranting and hoping that the Vikings will leave because with each post you guys put up there it just makes the real Vikings fans smile because we already know we are a threat to you…you are just confirming that.

  31. These are the stories that separate the true football fans from the merely belligerent bloggers.
    …as much as I loathe Green Bay, and love watching them lose and talking smack about it, I would hate it if they were no longer there. For me, for them, for football.
    It would about kill me if the Vikes left Minnesota. Haters go ahead and enjoy that. I guess you somehow need it, right? Fulfilling?
    Yeah. Right.

  32. Well atleast they can look back at their days in Minnesota as full of Championships and trophies. Oh wait, no they can’t.

  33. There will not be a new stadium getting gov’t money in a recession with labor strife on the horizon.
    Those of you that say LA doesn’t support their teams, neither do the current Viqueen fans. They needed an extension to sell out their 2008 playoff game against the Eagles. The only thing that creates any buzz among their “fans” is signing former Packers (Longwell, Robert Ferguson, Darren Sharper, and Favre.) They have a very unnatural obsession with Green Bay (Mike Tice painted his house green and yellow) and when the Queens suck everybody turns their back. They jump back on the bandwagon for the good times, but there are very few permanent seats on that bandwagon.
    Let them go. As a whole, Vikings fans are the most ignorant and arrogant fans I have met. This may be because I have never met an Eagles fan though…

  34. JimmySmithBlows says: February 10, 2010 12:35 PM
    After the playoff loss to the Vikes in Lamblow (their only playoff game EVER against each other) and after this year of suffering two ass beatings at the hands of your franchise’s all-time favorite player…I can understand why Packers fans want the Vikes to move.
    JimmySmithBlows!
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    we don’t want em to leave. The division needs a charity case with an empty trophy case to laugh at. Hell, even the Lions are a more stable organization.

  35. Packer fans can hope this happens all they want, but they are too stupid to understand how much the Packers NEED the Vikings in Minnesota.

  36. Always baffled me that the University of Minnesota and the Vikings didn’t go in on a joint outdoor stadium. Really hope they get this figured out though, how much would it suck for the NFC North to be composed of the Pack, the Bears, the Lions…and the Rams.

  37. Way to be on top of this, and miss the comments that the governor made proposing a new lottery to help pay for the stadium.
    There is no way, TPaw can ask for public money from the budget when the state budget is so f’d up right now.
    Before you say its done deal — Vikes to LA, just remember that this year’s Superbowl champs were lined up to be the San Antonio Saints right after Katrina.
    Think they are marching in San Anotonio today?

  38. Super:
    That you agree with this turd speaks volumes.
    I lost a lot of respect for you today.
    ————
    I never said i agreed. I said well said. It was. Whether his point is a good one or not it was well said.

  39. So who pays for the stadium in LA?
    Right, the California residents, LOL
    Gov, you are right not to allow an NFL that makes billions expect the residents to pay for the stadium, twice. Taxes then high ticket prices. Maybe three, personal seat licenses.
    NAH, gov you are right.

  40. Hate to break it to anyone who thinks the Vikings are leaving Minnesota in 2012… NOT HAPPENING.
    The NFL will more likely move Oakland, San Diego (German for “A Whale’s Vagina”), Jacksonville, or Buffalo before they would move a team from MN.

  41. So many Purple haters in here. The Vikes won’t move to LA. We will get it done in the 11th hour in a special session called by the state.
    No matter where I live in this world, if the Vikings somehow were forced out, I would fly back and lay in front of the bus. Purple pride forever. The Superbowl always looks better in Purple.

  42. what kind of jerk- offs actually hope that a fan base loses the team they love? oh right, people who have such crappy, boring lives that their only pleasure is through other peoples pain.

  43. If any team has to move to LA , and I wish none did, I would rather it be Jacksonville or Seattle. The Vikings just belong in the great North! Don’t split up the old black and blue division.

  44. If you added-up the IQs of all the Peckers fans on this site, it still wouldn’t break 100!

  45. TheHydraPart6 says:
    February 10, 2010 1:09 PM
    Super:
    That you agree with this turd speaks volumes.
    I lost a lot of respect for you today.
    ————
    I never said i agreed. I said well said. It was. Whether his point is a good one or not it was well said.
    =========================
    You agreed in a prior post. All in in 09…….
    Cmon dude, you are smarter than that. At least I thought so. That you take such glee in the possibility of them moving is disturbing.
    I guess favre being on that team has really clouded your judgement. I am beginning to question your knowledge on other aspects of the game. That you dont see the Vikings moving as bad for the Packers too, well I’m not sure you understand the dynamics of the game and rivalries and all that entails.
    Hell, what am I worried about? you are a know nothing(moreso than others) I shouldn’t give 2 shits in a pillowcase what you think.

  46. hankstramcbsradio says: February 10, 2010 12:01 PM
    To the Vikings haters, they won’t be moving. There will be a new stadium in a few years. This funding not being in a budget proposal is a non story. To those who want them to move, you cling to these types of stories and touch yourself to them. In the end you will be denied and the Vikings will be playing in a new stadium in Minnesota not LA.
    —————-
    I bet you said that about the Lakers and the North Stars as well? Just because you type it, doesn’t make it so unless you are a state legislator by chance? There’s a budget shortfall in MN, so no stadium bill has a chance of passing. A new stadium doesn’t build itself overnight, so it should already be underway if it was going to happen. My bet is there’s a 75% chance they move. Wilf’s team value would double overnight. That’s definitely alluring…..

  47. Kris James says: February 10, 2010 1:12 PM
    Hate to break it to anyone who thinks the Vikings are leaving Minnesota in 2012… NOT HAPPENING.
    The NFL will more likely move Oakland, San Diego (German for “A Whale’s Vagina”), Jacksonville, or Buffalo before they would move a team from MN.
    ———–
    Thanks for your brilliant insight. Unfortunately for you, it’s not the NFL’s choice, it’s the owners choice.

  48. DeathByPurple says: February 10, 2010 1:19 PM
    So many Purple haters in here. The Vikes won’t move to LA. We will get it done in the 11th hour in a special session called by the state.
    No matter where I live in this world, if the Vikings somehow were forced out, I would fly back and lay in front of the bus. Purple pride forever. The Superbowl always looks better in Purple
    ——————-
    God you Queen fan’s are ridiculous. Do you really think there is going to be some sort of bus that’s going to show up to move the players and the team? They will all hop on an airplane and report for work from wherever they live in the offseason. Perhaps you could get in front of Chilly’s limo though. Preventing him from making the trip to LA would be the best thing you could do for your team.

  49. As an old Oilers/current Texans fan from Houston, it’s surprising to see so many Vikings fans still in denial. It can happen… not using Houston as an example necessarily but if the Browns can move out of Cleve., then yes, it can happen anywhere. But unlike Cleveland, I doubt the NFL will award another franchise to Mpls if they can’t get a stadium deal done now. This is your chance to not blow it….

  50. Jimmy Smith says:
    “Look at the bright side, no more high speed traffic violations that threaten the local citizen’s safety, no more illicit criminal activity on rented boats and the court system is now wide open to prosecute regular thugs and punks instead of Vikings wrapping their kid’s head’s in plastic bags, ticket scalpers and whizanator violations”
    ___________________________________________________
    I guess Green Bay players will then be free to jump into hot-tubs with underage girls, head-butt fellow football players, and traffic codeine and other drugs onto the streets…

  51. This would be a non issue if you dumb moron asshats that live in Minnesota pay a tax
    I hope they move because I think they will have better chances of winning Super Bowls in LA.
    Plus I think Jeff George lives there and it would be nicer for him to play close to home.

  52. “Hell, what am I worried about? you are a know nothing(moreso than others) I shouldn’t give 2 shits in a pillowcase what you think.”
    ———–
    I agree totally.

  53. “Packer fans can hope this happens all they want, but they are too stupid to understand how much the Packers NEED the Vikings in Minnesota.”
    I guess you didn’t realize that the Packers are among the teams subsidizing deadbeat teams like the queens.
    As a Packer fan, I would find it bittersweet if the queens moved to LA. It’s been a good rivalry for almost 50 years. I believe both teams have won 49 games in our regular season head to head matchups.
    That being said, if the fans aren’t willing to do what it takes to keep the team in Minnesota, Good Riddance. I don’t want to hear about the economy being an excuse either. This stadium issue has been on the table since well before the economic downturn.
    As far as who would replace the queens in the NFC North, I would prefer an alternative to the Rams. Their fan base isn’t any better than the one in Minnesota and I’d rather see a team that played outdoors come into the division.
    I’d propose the following:
    queens to NFC West
    Rams to AFC North
    Ravens to AFC East
    Bills to AFC North
    Browns to NFC North

  54. All the State needs to do is EARMARK
    The TAXES the Vikings already generate
    Toward funding the new stadium.
    NO TEAM = NO TAXES.
    Pretty simple.

  55. I will admit to missing the Vikings once they go. No more paper championship each spring, sort of like the first green spouts pushing thru the ground, the signing of any FA would be cause for the Viking fan to declare its the missing piece for the Superbowl, the sound of Childress’s SUV going to the airport to pick up another player and then sound of choking that ends each Viking season, the same sound for the last 50 years. Those we will miss.
    What we wouldn’t miss is the lame excuses and false bravado of the Viking faithful, full of BS and blather but not enough money to buy a ticket to their home games.

  56. MN taxpayers have already built two stadiums in the last couple years. Why does there need to be a third? To house three teams that used to share one now-paid-off dome?
    And it’s never about not getting money, it’s always about how much money the state kicks in and how much the owner of the franchise (who is the only one that stands to profit from it) kicks in. Looking at you, Pohlads.

  57. Lol,
    Wow someone dusted off their fake screen name.
    I find it humorous that i now have 3 insane little “fans”.
    I’m so proud to know that i irritate people enough to have them have to create alternate screen names. it means I’m doing my job.
    To answer your question, the powers that be wouldn’t allow any posts with links to those pics.
    Evidently it was deemed offensive.
    Are you mad you only recieved 1 award?
    That is ok, rest assured, you are in the top 20 for worst posters ever. happy now?

  58. DogCollar says:
    February 10, 2010 12:42 PM
    My goodness! Can someone please explain to me what the Vikings and fans, like me, have done to hurt you all so bad? Seriously! What have we done?
    ___________________________________
    You apparently have not met Pervy.

  59. Lol,
    Wow someone dusted off their fake screen name.
    I find it humorous that i now have 3 insane little “fans”.
    I’m so proud to know that i irritate people enough to have them have to create alternate screen names. it means I’m doing my job.
    To answer your question, the powers that be wouldn’t allow any posts with links to those pics.
    Evidently it was deemed offensive.
    Are you mad you only recieved 1 award?
    That is ok, rest assured, you are in the top 20 for worst posters ever. happy now?

  60. Vikings will stay in Min. Huge revenues derived from countless sold out games, and season tickets, are far to lucrative to Ziggy…..oh wait!

  61. Bordner says:
    February 10, 2010 12:54 PM
    After the playoff loss to the Vikes in Lamblow (their only playoff game EVER against each other) and after this year of suffering two ass beatings at the hands of your franchise’s all-time favorite player…I can understand why Packers fans want the Vikes to move.
    ————————————————–
    Just another rehash of the same tired story. As long as they beat the Packers, the Vikings’ season is considered a smashing success by their fans. Aim higher, Viking Fans!!!!
    ______________________________
    How do the Pack measure their success…1st round playoff losses? Tight Ends raping teenagers? D linemen selling Ecstasy on the side? Their coach making it thru a season without his “fat ass” having a heart attack? Or actually having a decent looking girl at Lamblow for the first time?

  62. WarrenMoonGOAT says:
    February 10, 2010 12:01 PM
    so if the Vikings move where does that put the NFC North? Los Angeles Vikings? really? so the Packers Bears Lions and La Vikings in the NFC North? geographically doesn’t work, since the head honchos in the NFL want an l.a. team so bad then move the Raiders or Chargers or Rams that way it doesn’t mess up the division, they’ll still be an AFC West or NFC west
    p.s. LA already has a team…USC
    ======================================
    It’s so basic and simple even a vikings fan can figure it out… oh wait, no they cant…. Vikings to LA and NFC West, St. Louis to NFC North.

  63. WarrenMoonGOAT says:
    February 10, 2010 12:01 PM
    so if the Vikings move where does that put the NFC North? Los Angeles Vikings? really? so the Packers Bears Lions and La Vikings in the NFC North? geographically doesn’t work, since the head honchos in the NFL want an l.a. team so bad then move the Raiders or Chargers or Rams that way it doesn’t mess up the division, they’ll still be an AFC West or NFC west
    p.s. LA already has a team…USC
    ======================================
    It’s so basic and simple even a vikings fan can figure it out… oh wait, no they cant…. Vikings to LA and NFC West, St. Louis to NFC North.

  64. “The Vikings just belong in the great North! Don’t split up the old black and blue division.

    It hasn’t really been the black and blue division since the Vikings left the old Metropolitan Stadium (R.I.P — now Mall of America) and the Lions moved out of Tiger Stadium – both into domes!
    The Packers and the Bears in Lambeau and Soldier Field are the black and blue division.
    The Vikings and Lions with their cozy indoor digs are, at best, pretenders.

  65. I think a couple things need to be cleared up.
    #1: Viking fans, don’t bullshit yourselves. The Packers and their fans definitely do NOT need you in any way. There will always be other teams to compete against. The Packers have a 20 year waiting list for season tickets. Last thing we need is you ass clowns shitting on our stadium once or twice a year. If anything, its Minnesota that needs Green Bay. After all, where would you get all your players, coaches and scouting information? The Packers already have a historic and classy rivalry with Chicago. The games are exciting and there’s mutual respect. You Candian castaways will never understand so let it go.
    #2: Some Viking fans are asking, why all the animosity? Because most Viking fans are classless assholes with no respect for the game, other teams, other fans or even their own franchise. For all you fans that are not familiar with Viking fans first hand. They are obnoxious, rude slobs. I have personally watched Viking fans consistently start fights, leave bags of garbage and throw beer bottles all over the parking lot around Lambeau. Not to mention all the shit talking they do in person and on blogs like this.
    #3: People say it’s horrible for other fans to cheer for the Viking fans losing their team. To that I say; it’s their own fault. They have fans that are not willing to chip in for a staduim and an owner who wants to sell the team. The owner would not be selling if the team made money, but it doesn’t. It doesn’t make money because the Vikings have fair weather fans. It takes a lot more than bitch ass fair weather fans to keep an organization successful. Even in the 80’s when the Packers sucked every single game they still had sellout crowds. That’s the difference.
    Sorry Viking fans but you made your bed, now suffocate and die in it. One winning season and you think you can go around talking shit to the rest of the fans in the league….well look where it got you. You’re now the Terrell Owens of fans in the league. You pissed everyone off, now you’re on your way to the only city that will have you. Humble pie tastes like shit, doesn’t it.

  66. L.A. Vikings…….my son asked me a couple of years ago why it was the L.A. Lakers. He said there’s no lakes out here. I explained they were once the Minnesota (or Minneapolis?) Lakers….as we may one day have to explain the L.A. Vikings.
    The Twin Cities have all four sports in all different venues (with the new Twins park coming) and they have the Big 10.
    I have always expected that that sized market would not be able to support all those sports. And the Vikes with no park could be the last one standing in musical chairs and the first one leaving…just like the old Minne Lakers.

  67. Good for the MN politicians not to allow the taxpayers to be extorted of somewhere from half a billion to a billion dollars. Let WILF get his own financing and build a new stadium if he wants one. Billionaires do not deserve free stadiums.

  68. I only skimmed through the postings, but nobody commented on Florio’s absence of an editor this time? “Regardless of he ultimate plan, the clock..”
    Just throwing it out there 🙂

  69. Lakers left in the 60’s i believe, and lets keep in mind that they left largely because their name kept about 300,000 from having any interest in them (minneapolis lakers). it is because of that that every team has had the name Minnesota _____ not Minneapolis______. no one expected the northstars to really leave, so there was no effort to keep them, plus you’ve got to understand that hockey is BIG around here, especially at the college and highschool level. mid and high level pros are drafted out of places like SCSU (smaller school, sucks terribly at every other sport and aspect of education).
    One thing to keep in mind too, especially for likeminded viking fans is that the twins were supposed to move or disapear how many times too in the late 90’s? it took awhile, but target field is opening in just a couple months. If zygi is interested in keeping the team in minnesota, it may take awhile, but they will get a new stadium. if he wants to move it, there is nothing we can do.
    To the complete douchebags wishing this upon the viking faithful, you really are the absolute scum of the sports world. one thing to look at though is Baltimore, Cleveland, and Houston, they all got franchises back eventually and much like the lakers and NORTHstars whatever does happen will eventually be fixed by the great fans and residents of the state of Minnesota.
    Having said all that, I’d put the chances of the team moving at less than 20%

  70. As low as my opinion is about some of the bloggers (no names needed), this isn’t even cool. I don’t personally care much about the Vikings but I recognize that it’s fan base does and that the team means a lot to that area, along with the Chicago Area and Greenbay Area.
    Ziggy don’t be an idiot – work with the Gov and get the deal done. Stay in Minnesota.

  71. Can someone explain to me why the Vikings can not build there own stadium?
    Miami Dolphins–first privately funded stadium
    N.E. Patriots–privately funded
    Jets/Giants–privately funded
    If the state does not wanna help, do it yourself then if you want one that bad, if not stay at the MetroDome it is paid for already.

  72. The team is not going anywhere…period.
    Just the normal B.S. talk before a deal actually gets done.
    If they do move the team I will no longer support them.
    A Pucker fan I work with said ” don’t worry, if they do move they can fit all their Lombardi trophies in a Vikings lunch-box,”
    Painful, but true.
    Everyone with half a brain knows this was the best team in football last season, and with the draft and FA we should be the odds on favorite to win it all this year….IF Fvare comes back. If not we still have a great shot
    They can ship Chilly to San Francisco for all I care….girly-man.

  73. It absolutely annoys me that most of you are saying that Vikings fans aren’t true fans just because we can’t get funding from the residents of Minnesota. What a joke. There are millions of fans (even ones outside of Minnesota) that would pay whatever tax it took to make it happen. But it’s not up to us!! The Governor decides and passes the vote onto other meaningless people. What happened to a state-wide vote? Maybe after this year, more people will see that a measly extra 10-cent-tax won’t break them? I know it will happen, but it gets frustrating when people discredit us real fans with this issue when it has nothing to do with us. But you can hate on the Vikings all you want… I enjoy seeing you butt-sore jackasses (especially Packer fans) bring up OUR problems, when clearly your teams have plenty of their own issues… I can see the jealousy just seeping out of your words. Obviously it wasn’t the ideal ending to a season, but the Vikings are going to come back harder and stronger next year and make it to Dallas. No doubt.

  74. The Vikes will not get a new stadium but they will move to St. Louis right after the Rams are sold and head to LA, that way the Vikings stay in the NFC North and the Rams stay in the NFC West.

  75. The ratings for Vikings games in their home region (Minneapolis) were higher this season than any other NFL franchise. Our fans watched more than any others last year. This is not debateable.
    Metrodome attendance continued to rank among league elite as attendance was continually at or near capacity. This may surprise some as there is an artificial stigma that the stadium does not get filled stemming from the fact that seats are often available near the game start time, but never during the game itself. Teams with legendary attendance reputations like the Packers will consistently have 500 to 1000 more empty seats during the actual game itself, as many season ticket scalpers fail to turn their tickets over in time. Again you can look this up by checking attendance to games on espn and compare a few. In fact the Vikings game was the only one all season where the Packers approached Viking-like attendance (due in no small part to the many Vikes fans that paid big for those empty seats).
    Vikings did better than average in merchandise sales, much of which comes in the home state, despite not being that large of a market.
    Vikings are 6th all time in overall winning percentage which is a reflection on overall the way our state supports the franchise. Sadly, and oddly, enough they have yet to win a super bowl but as anyone with a brain knows it is not statistically that unusual for a coin to flip tails 4 times in a row. Most idiots put all the stock in one or two games ignoring the luck factor unless it works against them.
    So yeah, long story short we have great fans and a great franchise. Roski would kill for a franchise like this but odds are it won’t work out like that. The NFL wants the team to stay here because the fan support and stability is truly great. We just happen to have a stadium going obsolete in the midst of a recession and record deficits. We’ll get there though, just as sure as we continue to win consistently and fall short of the big prize.

  76. If I lost chickenfoot’s respect…I don’t know what I would do!! Does anyone on this site show any respect whatsoever????

  77. For the people in here that are concerned about how long it would take to build a new stadium, its not an issue. They have already said that if there was a deal in place, they would extend the current lease of the Metrodome while building the new stadium. So they have 2 more years to get a deal done.

  78. JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoooo says: February 10, 2010 1:21 PM
    what kind of jerk- offs actually hope that a fan base loses the team they love? oh right, people who have such crappy, boring lives that their only pleasure is through other peoples pain.
    You can call me a jerk-off. When you have fans like Pervy and MNFANINAZ(isn’t he in the wrong state-or is he up someones azzzzzzzzzzz) you can’t help but hope someone like them losses their team. You reap what you sow!!!!

  79. Tim Pawlenty and all of the incumbents are idiots. If they cant realize the financial inpact of the team leaving and what a new stadium would do for the economy they should all be fired.

  80. I get such great joy from hearing you scared lil nut sacks in WI hoping for the Vikings to leave your division. I can’t blame you. It’s like you are the nerd on the block and the Vikings are the big bully. We give you humiliating beatings and steal your lunch money each year…of course you want us in a new neighborhood. Then NFC North may be attainable.
    Let me tell you something though you fat Johnsonville Brat chokers. The Vikings will never leave,that I can assure you. I can’t reveal the details but I know people in high places.
    Don’t fear Vikings fans…we are going NOWHERE!

  81. Doubt that they will move. Zygi will have to put up a lot of money and then the rest will appear from wherever. While it’s being built they’ll either continue to play in the Humpty Dump or lease time in the Gophers’ stadium. To the person who wondered how anyone could hope for the worst for another team’s fanbase, obviously you don’t have contact with Viking fans, who fade into the woodwork when times are lean but when they are winning walk around puffed up like their team is the greatest dynasty in sports history. I mean seriously – if they want to define “obnoxious” in a new dictionary, all they would have to do is put in a picture of some dork wearing his plastic horned helmet with blonde braids. The Bears are our real rivals, but the Vikings are the little yapping dogs that won’t EVER shut up day or night, and make you obsess about the ways you’d like to see them vanishing forever. That’s all.

  82. Just a thought. Here’s my idea on how the stadium could be built (I have to link it to my site because it contains formatted text and a poll): http://www.boards.edgy-sports.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2479
    I really think that the Minnesota fans deserve to keep their stadium. I know that there are people out there that don’t like them but let’s face it, they’ve supported their team a lot better than many teams in this league (Certainly, better than LA!).
    Oh, just a little thought but did you realize that the Rams are the only team to play in four cities AND two leagues? 🙂

  83. By the way everyone, L.A. is broke and has a budget shortfall bigger than most other states. The curret mayor was too busy getting it on with a local news reporter that he forgot to manage the budget. The team is going to be in a suburb and will have a long name like The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim and, just the like Lakers, only the rich will be able to afford to go to the game.

  84. I know Florio is doing this for hits…I understand that.
    But I honestly cannot understand any fan of any team WANTING anyother team to move from one location to another JUST TO SPITE another fan base.
    Honestly…it makes no sense to me at all.
    For those Packer Fans that WISH for/HOPE for the Vikings franchise to move to LA…I have only one thing to say…why? And be honest with yourself. If you just like saying it to try and piss off Vikings fans…at least I can see that (still, seems quitre classless).
    I would really like to know what drives you on this.

  85. Pervy Harvin says:
    February 10, 2010 3:54 PM
    I get such great joy from hearing you scared lil nut sacks in WI hoping for the Vikings to leave your division. I can’t blame you. It’s like you are the nerd on the block and the Vikings are the big bully. We give you humiliating beatings and steal your lunch money each year…of course you want us in a new neighborhood. Then NFC North may be attainable.
    ——————————
    Hilarious! You win two games this year against us and now you’re beating us down each year? HAHAHA! Two years ago, you barely won a game against us in the metrodome because our kicker can’t make a field goal. We clearly beat you at home two years ago. Three years ago, we whooped your ass’s at the Metrodome and HUMILIATED you at Lambeau. The year before that, we split both games. So again, where do you get off saying that you beat us down every year?
    Pervy, you’re pathetic. And now you can respond with your typical stupid responses like “I’ll make you my bitch” or “Packer fans are so fat and ugly” or “I’ll smack you around if I ever saw you”. Come on, let’s here it! You make yourself sound more and more less intelligent with every post. Even other Viking fans on this site are embarrassed by you.

  86. jimmySee says:
    February 10, 2010 2:33 PM
    “The Vikings just belong in the great North! Don’t split up the old black and blue division.

    It hasn’t really been the black and blue division since the Vikings left the old Metropolitan Stadium (R.I.P — now Mall of America) and the Lions moved out of Tiger Stadium – both into domes!
    The Packers and the Bears in Lambeau and Soldier Field are the black and blue division.
    The Vikings and Lions with their cozy indoor digs are, at best, pretenders.
    =================================
    Turd:
    What does smashmouth football IE black and blue have to do with playing inside or outside?
    You think they hit less hard inside?
    Moronic post to say the least, then again, that is typical out of you.

  87. To all those Minnesota fans that think the NFL won’t let football leave Minnesota, that’s what Cleveland thought, that’s what Houston thought, that’s what Baltimore thought. I fully expect Minnesota to lose the Vikings, then when Minnesota realized what has happened they will build a new stadium 5-10 years down the road for the Minnesota Jaguars.

  88. scomibord says:
    February 10, 2010 3:29 PM
    If I lost chickenfoot’s respect…I don’t know what I would do!! Does anyone on this site show any respect whatsoever????
    ==========================
    i know what you mean Scomi……
    That being said, Super and I are good freinds off the site.

  89. SF Saints Fan & awoods1906 – For being up standing and logical Saints fans even after all the crap I have hurled at you…..you receive the Pervy Pardon. Your Saints deserve to be the champs this year. Your fan base,with the exception of scomibord and a few other nut sacks,are way classier than the obese nard eaters from Green Bay. We will stay in MN.

  90. Pervy Harvin says:
    February 10, 2010 3:54 PM
    Don’t fear Vikings fans…we are going NOWHERE!
    Couldn’t have said it better. The vikings always go nowhere.

  91. Hate Minnesota
    It’s cold as heck
    And all the women should wear bells around their neck
    Look at that new stadium
    Look at them fans
    Look at that highway
    Filled with Viking moving vans
    Look at these women
    There ain’t nothin’ like ’em nowhere
    From the offense to the defense
    >From the O line to the D line
    Everybody’s very happy
    ‘Cause the sun is shining all the time
    Looks like another perfect day
    I love L.A. (We love it)
    I love L.A. (We love it)

  92. Bay,
    Why would you read a Viking article and take time out of your perfect world in WI to post a comment about how ‘pathetic’ Viking fans are…..? And the truth of the matter is… why would any team’s fans talk smack if they weren’t winning? That’s something Packer fans would do (as well as bring up ancient history). Green Bay fans preached non-stop about a ‘deep playoff run’ after that ‘impressive’ preseason… As for the new definition of “obnoxious”, I guess you think wearing a foam block of cheese on your head is the definition of “cool”? Quit your bitching.

  93. I love reading all the posts from viking fans boasting about how badly the Vikings beat Green Bay. Are you guys really that pathetic that you hang your hat on one season of success? Apparently you’ve taken the same approach your organization takes…..live in the now, forget about how dumb it will make you look tomorrow, and run your mouth about everything under the sun to burn every bridge possible in the league.
    It cracks me up to see Viking fans talk about how they dominated the NFC North. ONE SEASON dipshits. Nobody cares about one season. The NFL is all about sustained success. I would have thought you Queen fans would have learned that this year after falling short of the big dance AGAIN. The Vikings are still the oldest team in the league that still doesn’t have a Lombardi trophy. Minnesota has been pathetic for most of it’s existence. I think it’s about time to call it quits.

  94. This is the same lame duck governor who was beat out for the VP slot by Sarah Palin because she’s smarter than he is.
    He’ll be gone after the next election and the new stadium will be built.

  95. DogCollar says:
    February 10, 2010 12:42 PM
    My goodness! Can someone please explain to me what the Vikings and fans, like me, have done to hurt you all so bad? Seriously! What have we done?
    ———————–
    Oh, I don’t know- how about the dozens of posts Sunday night by Viking fans saying they were the real super bowl champs because they “handed” the Saints the NFC title.
    Let me tell you how the SB plays out if Brad Childress is coaching:
    on the 4th and 1 with 2 minutes left in the first half, he kicks the field goal making it 10-6. After the Colts return the kickoff to the 30, instead of the 1 yard line where the Saints left them, Manning takes the 1:56 left and drives down the field for a TD before halftime, making it 17-6. No way Chilly has the balls to onside kick at the start of the second half, so the Colts get the ball, and with the momentum from the end of the first half, they score again. Now, 5 minutes into the second half, it’s 24-6 Colts, and TVs everywhere are switching over to the Puppy Bowl on Animal Planet.

  96. I have been a die hard Vikes fan since the day I was born, and I would never wish the Metrodome on any of you HATERS. The place is a dump and it’s extremely depressing to watch a sporting event in when we could be out in the fresh air. We need a new stadium and it will get done.
    With that said…the Vikes Organization/Wilf’s must be doing something right because there are a lot of Vikings HATERS out there, and everyone hates a winner with great players..(eg..Favre, Allen, Peterson, Harvin,
    Williams Wall, etc….) Anyone who watched that Vikes/Saints game saw the Vikes were a much better team and they didn’t pull it out in the end, even with giving the game away. you all know the Vikes should be the Super Bowl Champs because they would have “Throttled” the colts!!!
    To all of you Packer fans that want the Vikes gone….do you really want to lose a great rivaly that creates so much Sunday fun for the fans? if we go, it looks like you’ll have to strike up a new rivalry with the Detroit Kitties….that sounds like great fun!!!

  97. shadowman1433 says:
    February 10, 2010 4:28 PM
    Pervy Harvin says:
    February 10, 2010 3:54 PM
    Don’t fear Vikings fans…we are going NOWHERE!
    Couldn’t have said it better. The vikings always go nowhere.
    ________________
    Now that’s how you insult. As a Vikings fan, that hurt, but at least it was funny.

  98. Emoney says: You make yourself sound more and more less intelligent with every post. Even other Viking fans on this site are embarrassed by you.
    ————————————————–Emoney- What are you doing out of your hole groundhog face? PFT is for big people. I can’t believe that out of 300,000 sperm, you were the quickest! Give my condolences to your poor parents!
    Where is your proof that fellow Viking fans are embarrassed by me?? Back it up.
    I’ll make you a bet…if 3 real Viking fans come out and say as much,I’ll go away. Deal? If not ….you crawl back into the hole you came from!

  99. I have a great idea to raise money for a new stadium, the Vikings can charge admission to see their trophy case, oh wait, never mind.

  100. Emoney – Packers can only WISH the Vikings would leave so that you guys can claim the throne. Vikings took the NFC North throne 2 years in a row now and the only way the Packers get to sit back on top of the NFC North is IF we leave. HAHAHA…is that the only way the Packers can win a division and go to the playoffs…if the better team leaves!?!? You and your fan base are pathetic. BEAT US STRAIGHT UP YOU PUSSIES!

  101. I wonder if Favre will still be trying to catch Manning’s four MVP’s in sunny L.A.? Stupid Vikings. What a bunch of sorry-assed zero-time world champ losers. LOL.

  102. I love how the Packer posters call us obnoxious and arrogant. Like you guys should talk. I also love how so many posts above point out to the fact that Vikes fans puff their chests out and talk big when their team is doing great and then we shut up and hide out when our team is getting pummeled.
    Hmm. So you are saying we should talk like our team is the greatest on earth even in years when it sucks? Er, that would make us like Packer fans, whom we despise in so many ways. That is the last thing we want to do.
    Just get used to it. Vikings fans only brag when they have something to brag about whereas Packer fans in general (and some Vikes fans as well) will brag and big talk even when they have nothing to get cocky about.
    Look at the Packers this season. We steal their hero QB and taint the last 18 years of their history, crush them twice easily, go deeper in the playoffs, and yet they brag and big talk the same exact amount as they did last season, the season before, and they will next year. We simply aren’t like that. We have more than one outlet. More than one sports franchise.

  103. DuluthFan says:
    February 10, 2010 4:10 PM
    I know Florio is doing this for hits…I understand that.
    But I honestly cannot understand any fan of any team WANTING anyother team to move from one location to another JUST TO SPITE another fan base.
    Honestly…it makes no sense to me at all.
    For those Packer Fans that WISH for/HOPE for the Vikings franchise to move to LA…I have only one thing to say…why? And be honest with yourself. If you just like saying it to try and piss off Vikings fans…at least I can see that (still, seems quitre classless).
    I would really like to know what drives you on this.
    ===================================
    Duluth, it’s because Vikings fans are like Cubs fans, there’s this unearned sense of hubris about them for fans of a team that hasn’t won a championship in 100+ years in the Cubs’s case or in the Vikings’ case, ever. Not only that, the fans display this arrogance despite repeatedly getting kicked in the groin by this team. Heck, some of the happiest moments in my sports fan life have been Viking mishaps (missed FG against Atl, the Cards knocking them out in 03, the NFC championship two weeks ago).
    The historical rivalry has always been the Bears-Packers, but for the past 20 years, the Packers and Vikings have been thorns in each others’ sides. Viking fans couldn’t rub it in our faces enough that not only did they have Favre, he was playing great. They couldn’t rub it in our faces enough that he played great against the Packers. The thought of the Vikings winning the Super Bowl with Favre made most of us Packer fans sick.
    The reason we would take joy in the Vikings moving is because it’s the ultimate STFU moment. It means the Packers win. I’m not talking about a game or two, it means the Packers win the rivalry.

  104. Here is a novel idea and worked in New Jersey where Ziggy is from as well as in Dallas
    Build your own damn place why are you looking for tax payers to pay for your damn place
    If the Giants could do it with labor costs in this area then I am sure the same kinda place would cost about half in Minn no roof play real football out in the snow and rain stop being a bunch of punks and play outside
    If any State wants to cover the cost it should get partial ownership of the team
    And yes the State did have to pay for road improvements in NJ and Texas but that is nothing compared to the overall project cost

  105. As a Packer fan I for one, do not want the Vikes to leave. I’m not sure that it’s not going to happen but it will be a sad day. Bears, Packers Lions & Rams. Just don’t get it in my book. I know the Bears /Packers are the oldest rivalry but the Vikes/Pack rivalry has been the most relevant in the NFC North lately.
    I also hope Favre come’s back. He can’t retire undefeated against the Pack & when the Pack takes the North back next year I want Favre to be there.
    Now obviously I’m being a bit of a homer in the 2nd paragraph of this post but I truly would not like to see the Vikes leave MN. Just my .02

  106. good call football rulz. I too want to see favre have a loss on his record from every team in the league, god knows every team has picked him off enough!

  107. realitypolice says:
    Hate Minnesota
    It’s cold as heck
    And all the women should wear bells around their neck
    Look at that new stadium
    Look at them fans
    Look at that highway
    Filled with Viking moving vans
    Look at these women
    There ain’t nothin’ like ’em nowhere
    From the offense to the defense
    >From the O line to the D line
    Everybody’s very happy
    ‘Cause the sun is shining all the time
    Looks like another perfect day
    I love L.A. (We love it)
    I love L.A. (We love it)

    ________________________________
    realitypolice — This may very well be the best thing posted on the comment board today. It’s a nice piece of writing – – Well Done!
    That said, this whole topic makes me slightly queasy.
    First, the amount of venom directed toward Vikings fans and Minnesotans in general is a bit disturbing. You might “hate” all things purple — that’s a legitimate part of fandom, I suppose — but to cheer for them to lose their team strikes me as petty and small-minded, not to mention short-sighted. The NFL thrives on rivalries like those in this division. Why would you want to deprive yourself of the regular opportunity to see your team beat a team for which you have such intense dislike?
    Second, I’m more than a little conflicted about the idea of the Vikings moving to Los Angeles. I grew up as a Vikings fan in the upper midwest. It’s been decades since I’ve lived there. I don’t travel to games, and (until last year) their games aren’t often selected for national broadcast. I don’t even own any purple & gold clothing. And yet, the idea that the team might pack up and leave hits me like I never left. It would just be wrong, somehow.
    On the other hand . . . I live in Los Angeles. Traded in my Purple for Royal Blue years ago. I hated hated hated when the Rams abandoned L.A. for St. Louis (Yes, I’m aware that they played in Anaheim, so you can save yourself the trouble of making the post). For years, my favorite team has been whoever is playing the Rams.
    So I should be thrilled that there is a chance the Vikings might be coming here. And yet, I’m not. Far from it. I’m pretty sure I couldn’t cheer for the Los Angeles Vikings.
    UFL, anyone? Whee.

  108. Why should the hard working tax payers of Minnesota pay for a stadium for a cheap millionaire carpetbagger from New York. If the Wilfs want a new stadium they should be willing to put up most or all of the money like other owners have done. They had no problem pulling 12 million dollars out of their pockets to pay Brett Favre for 5 months of work but expect the general working class to pay for their extravagant stadiums and luxury boxes.

  109. As a Packer fan, I would hate to see the Vikings leave. There is absolutely no upside to moving the team to L.A. Zygi better get on the horn with the Governor and help create some type of lottery bill that will help fund the creation of a new stadium. Too much history and rivalry to be lost if the Vikings leave. Even if it means that those pu$$ies end up having to play in an open air venue like the rest of the teams in the NFCN. I’d even be willing to listen to Pervy Harvin and JeffRagnarChickenPhucker’s insane rants and smack talk. Please apply some common sense to the situation and work it out, boys.

  110. # Dragonfly9 says: February 10, 2010 8:27 PM
    Why should the hard working tax payers of Minnesota pay for a stadium for a cheap millionaire carpetbagger from New York. If the Wilfs want a new stadium they should be willing to put up most or all of the money like other owners have done. They had no problem pulling 12 million dollars out of their pockets to pay Brett Favre for 5 months of work but expect the general working class to pay for their extravagant stadiums and luxury boxes.
    ——————————————————————
    You touched on an important issue here. If a stadium really was worth his while he would build one. JJones built his own because of ego and the fact that they get all sorts of events there that make it worth his while. A stadium in minni gets 10 games/yr and maybe a couple concerts and that’s probably it accept fora final four once or twice. Bottom line is that owners want the fans to shoulder the burden so they can make bigger profits regardless of wins and losses. This is not an equitable arrangement. I say the league should force the queens to stay in minni playing in that god awful stadium while wilf reaps minimal profit for his minimal investment. No flips allowed

  111. This so-called Packers-Vikings “rivalry” stuff is truly hilarious.
    The Vikings are the new kids on the block; an expansion team still scurrying around looking for respectability.
    Before Minnesota got its team, the entire upper midwest from Lake Michigan out into the Dakotas was Packers territory.
    The real north division rivalry is the Bears and Packers.
    I’m a Packers fan, a stockholder, who sold hot dogs at Packers games in Milwaukee back in the 60’s (which no doubt opens me up for scorn by Vikings fans). I have great respect for the Bears. I remember watching those Lombardi-Halas games.
    No matter what their team records, Packers – Bears games are always ferocious.
    There’s a reason why the two biggest trophies are the Lombardi and Halas trophies for NFC teams.
    I do expect the Vikings to end up in Los Angeles. Unless Wilf steps up or is willing to become a tenant of UM, I just don’t see the political will or capital available to build a competitive facility in the twin cities.

  112. jimmySee – why the hate toward Vikings fans? Is it because all the smart people in Green Bay move here for stimulating lives and good jobs?
    We are a tolerant society. We enjoy the Packer green on game day. It gives us diversity. (tongue in cheek).
    Seriously, the Vikings moving would be bad for the NFL. You want rivalries, fans who care, etc. Heck, it is good, not bad, that so many of you hate the Vikings and the Vikings fans. That means we evoke emotion and feeling. Any marketing person would tell you that a negative reaction to something is actually better than no reaction at all.
    You want a passionless fan base? Check out Jacksonville sometime. LA would be the same.
    The Packers-Vikings series began when JFK was a new President. The series record is 49-47-1, advantage Packers. Any real fan would want to see that continue, even if you hate the other guys.

  113. @nohometeam:
    I share your discomfort with the whole situation. I actually have no opinion about the Vikings either way- I just read the original post, made the LA connection, and couldn’t get that Randy Newman song out of my head. Thought it might be nice to add something that was obviously intended to be humorous into this way-too-serious conversation.

  114. Some people are very classless and have no respect for human beings. You might hate the Vikings for one reason or another but why do you have to go to such a low level?
    Most people choose a team based on who their family cheers for. I am 22 and I still enjoy going to my grandpa’s house and watching a Vikings game with him or getting in the car and driving 5 hours to see them live.
    This last September my grandpa was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer. The first thing he asked his doctor was if he would live till February to see the Favre finally bring the Vikings a Superbowl. I am in tears as I write this because he passed away in January, two days before the Vikings beat the Cowboys. He attended the very first Vikings home game and the last game he attended was Green Bay on Monday night last season.
    Every day since my grandpa died I have been sending a letter with my grandpa’s story to Governor Pawlenty hoping that it eventually gets to him.
    To see the Vikings move would cause a great deal of pain for my family. The Vikings are one thing that brings us all a little closer on Sundays.
    For those of you hoping the Vikings would move, ask yourself how you would feel if your favorite team up and moved. It wouldn’t so great would it!
    I just think people need to start having a little more respect for one another. Sure a little team bashing can be fun but when people want to take it to a personal level it isn’t fun any more. We cheer for a team because we find joy in it and we don’t need to ruin that joy for others like us.
    I love you and miss you grandpa
    Signed,
    Vikings fan for life

  115. Ollie says:
    February 10, 2010 1:23 PM
    “If any team has to move to LA , and I wish none did, I would rather it be Jacksonville or Seattle…”
    Seattle? SEATTLE? We’ve got a waiting list for tickets 25,000 deep, a state-of-the-art stadium, and the fourth richest man IN THE WORLD as our owner. WHY WOULD THE SEAHAWKS MOVE, YOU MORON???
    And the Vikes will not end up in LA.
    NFL 2012:
    Toronto Bills
    Santa Clara 49ers
    LA Chargers
    Mississipi Jaguars
    Vancouver Vikings
    You read it here first

  116. I know I am biased but is there anyone else in the area that they could share the cost with?
    A college maybe ?
    It is working here for the Giants and the Jets it works in AZ for the cards and the U of A
    You can not expect taxpayers to foot the bill for such a limited group
    I am helping to pay for the new home of the Giants with my Tickets and PSL
    You want a new place make the fans pay for it and old Ziggy can sell his place in NJ and move to MN then he would not need that butt ugly purple lear

  117. Four NFL teams in ione state? I don’t think so.
    A team like the Jags is far more likely.
    They already have the Dolphins and Bucs down there. Other than that? An in-state move of the Raiders.

  118. Ghost of Studwell —–
    Why do you believe this story has any endgame other than the team leaving?
    The governor has said no money in the budget for a stadium.
    The owner has not expressed a willingness to foot the bill.
    The Vikings’ Metrodome lease is up in two years. There appears to be some movement to tear it down and redevelop the site. This was the end game for Metropolitan Stadium, a park where I spent many wonderful days watching Twins games in warmer weather!
    That’s not “hate” — that’s an analysis of what’s happening on the ground.
    I hope Vikings fans are using something more than the “crossed fingers method” if they want to keep the team.
    Packers fans have their own approach to this – we own the team.
    It isn’t going anywhere.

  119. Its not the fans that dont want a stadium you worthless, uneducated ,inbread Pack fans. Should I start worthless cracks at your state like you do to MN about a bridge? Here I go after hearing you idiots all year it is no wonder Chai Vang shot people during hunting years back he was sick of listning to your dumb asses. Oh low blow and stupid you bet it was and now you know how you sound.For the people that will reply and say it was there relative I apologize for the remark but it is no dif. than the bridge. The fans want a stadium and the guy that wants to be your next president Pawlenty is the guy that wont let it happen because it wont look good on his presidental resume if he builds a stadium in this economy.And the Vikes have an agreement with the Gophers to play in there new stadium after the lease is up while the there new stadium is being built.

  120. Anyone actually celebrating the idea of the Vikings leaving Minnesota is just a weird, twisted a-hole. Despite our inability to get off the Super Bowl schnide the Vikes are still one of the most storied franchise in the NFL and they belong in Minnesota. Just because there isn’t public funding right now doesn’t mean that we don’t have one of the more passionate fanbases in the country.
    The Vikings leaving town would be heartbreaking and devastating for hundreds of thousands of people, myself included. I wouldn’t for a second wish that on fans of any other franchise, including Bear and Packer fans.
    What the hell is wrong with you people?

  121. packers4life,
    I pointed out the FACT that a typical Vikings game is at or near capacity while a typical Packers game has 500 to 1000 more empty seats (actually closer to 2000), despite what Florio has you sheep actually believing on these sites.
    You had the audacity to call me out as if I am making it up. Use this link and click on the pct column in the “home” section to see how much lower you rank that us.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/attendance/_/sort/homePct
    You rank 2.5% lower than us, which equates to about 1,800 of your 73,000 seats (approximate values, and no I didn’t round way up you twit check the math). Until you guys approach our type of attendance, you don’t have a right to give us hell for “having trouble filling ours”. At least we fill our stadium every single week while you only fill yours for Bears and Vikings games.
    You might ask yourself “how could this be, we are sold out for the next decade”. Well, a lot of your beloved season ticket holders get them to sell them for profit. Sometimes they don’t get one sold if the demand is low or they are lazy. And sometimes your fans are too drunk in the parking lot to go or it is too cold for the girly ones. Vikings fans fill 99.5% of the seats consistently since 2001. Eat it biznatch.

  122. sando,
    Nice link! If you click on that link and check the other years that it also provides, you will see the Green Bay is #1 in 2006, 2007, and 2008.
    Hmmm, where is Minnesota on those lists? Let’s see…2006 LAST, 2007 LAST, and 2008 15th. And the only reason why you probably moved up to 15th is because your fans are bandwagon jumpers and only go to see your team play when they’re winning.
    I recall 2-3 years ago when the Vikings organization announced that in order for fans(specifically Packer fans) to go to the Metrodump to see us whoop your ass, we must also purchase one of the Vikings meaningless preseason games. Its a good way to sell extra tickets, but it was mainly due to so many Packer fans filling the Metrodump during the Packer/Viking games. How you like them apples? Dumbass.
    Do your research before posting stupid shit.

  123. sand0 says:
    February 11, 2010 8:54 AM
    “At least we fill our stadium every single week”
    __________________________________
    You are conveniently leaving out the fact that the Vikings have always relied heavily on corporate “bail-out” mass ticket purchases, sold to them at discounts and handed out for free to their employees or charitable organizations. Not quite the same as missing a game due to the weather, which invariably is wives, girlfriends, old people, and kids…persons who would normally go but understandably can’t tolerate the real-world of extreme outdoor football, much like your cake-eaters.

  124. Wow! Look at Minnesota’s domination over the Packers.
    Division winners:
    2009 Minnesota
    2008 Minnesota
    2007 Green Bay
    2006 Chicago
    2005 Chicago
    2004 Green Bay
    2003 Green Bay
    2002 Green Bay
    2001 Chicago
    2000 Minnesota
    1999 Tampa
    1998 Minnesota
    1997 Green Bay
    1996 Green Bay
    1995 Green Bay
    1994 Minnesota
    1993 Detroit
    1992 Minnesota
    1991 Detroit
    Green Bay: 7 division titles
    Minnesota: 6 division titles
    Chicago: 3 division titles
    Detroit: 2 division titles
    I can see how you think you’ve dominated us for so many years. I guess if you want to look back to the 70’s, then yes, you did dominate when the most of you weren’t even that mistake that happened between your parents that one drunken night.

  125. Nice link! If you click on that link and check the other years that it also provides, you will see the Green Bay is #1 in 2006, 2007, and 2008.
    Hmmm, where is Minnesota on those lists? Let’s see…2006 LAST, 2007 LAST, and 2008 15th.
    ————————————————-
    Minny wasn’t listed in 06′, 07′, how do you know for certain they were last?
    Favre comes to Minny, GB drops from 1 to 18 any coincedence.
    Point being emoney, you’re about as sharp as a bowling ball. That’s to be expected, you’ve probably already had a cocktail the size of my head this morning. Tends to dull the intelect.

  126. Emoney–If you’re not counting those division titles in the 70’s and changing the facts to support your division title argument to have the Pack have 7 titles and the Vikes 6, then I don’t EVER want to hear you talk about the black and white, vintage piece of shit Super Bowl titles that the Pack had back in the 60’s. You were not alive so they don’t count according to you…..

  127. JimmySmith says:
    February 10, 2010 4:59 PM
    I have a great idea to raise money for a new stadium, the Vikings can charge admission to see their trophy case, oh wait, never mind.
    ———
    well said Jimmy.

  128. @kotafag- Nice one bringing up, Chai. The Wisconsin woods is full of Minnesota Hmongs trespassing on our lands. We confront and accost threats to our property, regardless of race.
    You elect Al Franken and Jesse Ventura.

  129. Emoney/Ambrose,
    Nice try but, but again you fail. In 2008 the Packers are listed #1 with 116% capacity. However, their average attendance was the same in 2008 as 2009 at about 70,600 which is roughly 2,400 under capacity. Lambeau has held 73,000 since 2002. The calculator has an error in it for years prior to 2009. I don’t know why, but it does, obviously. Packer fans should not get into math wars.
    If the math were done properly, the Vikes would be higher than you in 2008. You say that we are last in 2006 and 2007. We aren’t even listed you moron! And again in those years what I think is happening is the calculator does not take into account that Lambeau added capacity in 2002 and they have you way artifically high. 116% sounds like Packer math to me unless they are counting all the pregnant drunks.
    Ambrose, you list Packers div titles 7 and Vikes at 6. You are right. But remember in 2004 you guys won the division but we crushed you in Lambeau during the playoffs. I’d almost count that in our column because it sure felt like it after the season. Since 1970 we have won more games than you and more against you. Not by a massive margin, but overall we have. The only reason you are higher in the total standings is that the Vikings sucked something fierce in their expansion years, giving you guys a 15 game lead before our first winning season.
    But really it is what you’ve done lately, and we’ve beat you 3 times straight and won two divs. Get some.

  130. ohgoodie,
    The “list” that was on that link lists them LAST. Do you not see that? Yeah I had a cocktail this morning, you moron. Because you’re idiotic bonehead thinking says that everyone in Wisconsin starts drinking as soon as we wake up. FYI, I haven’t had a drop of alcohol since last week Friday when I went out. You, on the other hand, probably have, since you probably don’t have to work at Burger King until 4pm this evening. My life doesn’t revolve around drinking. I live a responsible life with a excellent paying job that I busted my ass for. I’m sure there are just as many alcoholics in Wisconsin as there are in Minnesota. But you probably disagree because you’re a closeminded idiot who knows what everyone in Wisconsin and Minnesota does throughout their day. Another FYI, when you see people at Lambeau drinking, ITS BECAUSE THEY’RE AT A SPORTING EVENT! You’re going to tell me that the majority of those drag queens in the metrodome aren’t half drunk while they’re watching the Vikings? Keep your idiotic comments to yourself if you have nothing wise to say.
    jx4cmario1,
    My argument about division titles isn’t about the entire history of the franchises. My point to it was that Pervy Harvin said that the Vikings have been constantly stomping on the packers for years, and that Packer fans want them to leave Minnesota so that it stops. I posted the last 15-20 years because that is the immediate past. 30-40 years ago isn’t relavent in this discussion. I’m not talking about Super Bowls. If I was, I could just go back to 1996 when we won one. Minnesota hasn’t even gotten that far since the 70’s.
    Let me break down the head to head matchups since 1991:
    2009: Minnesota sweeps
    2008: Split
    2007: GB sweeps
    2006: GB sweeps
    2005: Minnesota sweeps
    2004: GB sweeps
    2003: Split
    2002: Split
    2001 Split
    2000: GB sweeps
    1999: Split
    1998: Minnesota sweeps
    1997: GB sweeps
    1996: Split
    1995: Split
    1994: Split
    1993: Minnesota sweeps
    1992: Minnesota sweeps
    1991: Split
    So tell me again how Minnesota has dominated the Packers in recent history?
    Pervy? Hello? Answers please….

  131. Bigbluefan says:
    Here is a novel idea and worked in New Jersey where Ziggy is from as well as in Dallas
    ************************
    You don’t know anything about Cowboys Stadium, do you? $150 mil of the financing came from the NFL (and Jerry wanted to cut that off now that he’s got his own) and $325 mil came from — wait for it – the CITY of Arlington, who — gasp — used TAXES to pay for it.

  132. Emoney, so you’re allowed to cut out parts of history to fit you argument? That’s all I wanted to know.

  133. Don’t use that ESPN link because it’s a joke. For example, they list Chicago’s 62,000+ attendance as 92% of the stadium capacity and yet, they also list the stadium capacity as 61,500. In the meantime, 70,000+ in GB is 116% and yet, they list the stadium’s capacity as 72,928. This goes on and on for not only NFL but also MLB and the NBA. You’d be better off going to NFL.com and adding up the figures there. 2009 was probably the best that they did but there are a lot of holes and bad math in the other years data.

  134. Pervy is busy trying on his new Fubu jacket. I thought it looked too big but he said it needed to be bigger yet. he will be with you shortly

  135. jx4cmario1,
    he is just talking about recent history–its tough cause recent history can mean anything, emoney is just saying that the pack have not been dominated in recent history (in his opinion recent history is 15-20 years) pervys opinion of recent history is las 3 games–so what pervy shouldve said to avoid these rebutles is… they dominated last 3 games—as far as them leaving, as a packer fan id hate to see the vikes go, we’d lose that fun boarder battle and a rival

  136. Emoney,
    I take it that you have accepted defeat in our little argument as you really didn’t retort to my points but rather went into some incoherent babble about side topics. Usually that means the guy on the other end is pissed that he is being outsmarted. In reality it isn’t my intelligence that has you looking stupid but rather the fact you are trying to prove something that is false while I have truth as my advantage. But I digress.
    I love in your little list how you show Packers sweep in 2004 and conveniently neglect that we obliterated you at Lambeau in the only playoff matchup between our teams all time. Again, I am straying from my real point though.
    The point I am trying to make in all of this is not that the Packers fans suck or have bad attendance. Their team is consistently decent, like ours, while posting impressive attendance, like ours. Since 1970 we have won more games, more head to head, more divisions. Last two seasons we have filled a higher percentage of our stadium. That doesn’t make us better though. The margins are waaaay to slim to get cocky.
    The truth of the matter is we are both midwest teams with passionate fans and great attendance year in and year out. I mean the Raiders filled 70% of their seats last season. That has never happened in the Dome. Ever. We are both consistently good but rarely great. Yet you guys are so far out of touch with reality (hence the kool-aid drinker nickname) that you come in these threads with the mindset that Packers dominate us and we can’t even fill our stadium. In reality we are about even on both fronts, as much as you hate to admit it.
    You are sheep. You follow someone who says what you want to hear without thinking it through for yourselves not realizing that it is all a lie and not consistent with the facts. That is why you always lose these worthless internet arguments. It is because you have no clue what is even being argued. You are animals in a zoo. Emoney moos. Ambrose barks. Bob Nelson neyes. I didn’t know that our attendance records were better than yours until I checked it out. And if you ask nicely, I’ll explain why they are better and the true reason really doesn’t make either team look better than the other. But I highly doubt you are intelligent enough to figure it out on your own, even though all the reasons are known to you. You just can’t piece it together because you don’t have that type of mind.
    To you, Vikes fans seem like bandwagon hoppers. To you it is unbelievable that fans would only talk smack when their team is winning and then shut up about it when it is losing. I mean, you guys talk more smack in these boards than we do and we just got done crushing you in more ways than just victories the last two seasons. (Brett’s legacy is ruined now partly because of us. That has to sting even more than the 04′ playoff spanking.)
    Long story short the Packers are a fine team with fine fans. I actually think it is neat how you guys drink that kool-aid and are always good for a laugh or two. Just know that when you come in these boards and spout jibberish occasionally someone smarter than you will put you in your place, as I have just done. Get some.

  137. sando says:
    And again in those years what I think is happening is the calculator does not take into account that Lambeau added capacity in 2002 and they have you way artifically high. 116% sounds like Packer math to me unless they are counting all the pregnant drunks.
    ————————————-
    You think?? This link is obviously incorrect. It has holes all over it. Packer math? So I suppose Wisconsin is full of idiots now? Do you have anything logical to say other than to throw out insults at us? If that makes you feel better, then so be it. You’re pathetic. You can’t think with anything logical to say, so you insult. Sounds like you’re the idiot to me.
    And I forgot that Wisconsin is full of pregnant drunks. Because the women fill the baby bottles with vodka instead of milk. Again, such a stupid response from you. Use some common sense with your thinking.
    =================================
    jx4cmario1 says:
    February 11, 2010 1:10 PM
    Emoney, so you’re allowed to cut out parts of history to fit you argument? That’s all I wanted to know.
    ——————
    jx4cmario1,
    What don’t you understand about what I just said? Do you know who Pervy Harvin is? Look up at some of the earlier posts on this thread and you’ll see what he said about dominating Green Bay. I responded to what he said with recent facts. I’m not talking about history. If you want to talk about history, the Viking organization has never done anything worth talking about. You’ve been to FOUR super bowls and have won NONE. That’s about the only positive thing to say about them(if you consider that positive). If you want to discuss history, Green Bay has 9 NFL titles and 3 super bowls. Yes, it was a long time ago for the majority of those, but they still count. Football players weren’t prehistoric people back in 1930. It was still football. If they don’t count, then I guess you can say that all of the Yankees world series championships from back then don’t matter either.

  138. Where do you get off saying they dominated the last 3 games? They dominated this past year. TWO GAMES. In 2008, if Mason Crosby doesn’t miss that last second field goal, how is that considered dominating?? You BARELY won that game. I’ll agree that this year you clearly kicked our ass, but not last year.

  139. grunt,
    I get what he’s sayin, I just don’t like how he used 1991-2009 conveniently giving the Pack a 1 Division title edge. It’s easy to do that. If I wanted to I could go Ok, from 68-94′ the Vikes lead 14-2 in division titles. Why not have an iron clad argument and use the entire history of the North/Central? Because the Vikes lead that too. But then using that same across the board formula, the Packers have 3 Lombardi’s and we all know how many the Vikes have, or don’t have.
    And I appreciate the fan you are, I’d hate to see any fanbase lose their team as well. Especially one with such a rich tradition such as the Pack, the Norrace wouldn’t be the same.

  140. Emoney says
    Where do you get off saying they dominated the last 3 games? They dominated this past year. TWO GAMES. In 2008, if Mason Crosby doesn’t miss that last second field goal, how is that considered dominating?? You BARELY won that game. I’ll agree that this year you clearly kicked our ass, but not last year.
    im a packer fan dude, but dominating to me is that W, i dont care about a missed fg on the last play we still lost

  141. grunt24,
    “Dominating” refers to what the Vikings did this year to the packers. “Barely winning” by a missed field goal is not dominating. You are correct. A win is a win, but not a dominating win.
    =================================
    Pervy Harvin says:
    We give you humiliating beatings and steal your lunch money each year. Then NFC North may be attainable.
    jx4cmario1,
    Since you ignore me when I state that I’m getting defensive over Pervy’s statement, I found it for you and pasted it above. This is what I’m defending. He states that the Vikings give the Packers “humiliating beatings each year”. Each year to me, sounds like consistently over a span of time. When I posted the win/losses between the two teams, I was simply showing the back and forth battle between the two. It doesn’t show “humiliating beatings” each year. Yes, you dominated us in the 70’s. Its well known. But I’m simply replying to Pervy’s statement. If you can’t understand that, then I don’t know what else to say to you.
    =================================
    sando,
    The reason why we(Packer fans) irritate you and your fanbase is because of idiots like Pervy who constantly say stupid things. You say we’re the morons who respond with meaningless facts, but your fanbase has their share of morons who embarrass the Viking organization. If you can’t see that, then you are one as well. Listening to Viking fans, its like you guys love watching the Packers suffer more than anything else. You take pride in beating us twice this year. If you finished 2-14 this year with those two wins against the Packers, you would consider that a successful season. Sure, I like the competition between the two teams. I wouldn’t want to walk away with the division year in and year out like the Cardinals have done the past few years in the west. It wouldn’t be any fun. You say we drink the kool-aid but you don’t realize is that its our passion for our football team that makes us think that. If you don’t feel that way, then you’re not a fan of your team. Do Cub fans give up on their team after losing year after year? No. They get back up and say that next year will be their year. Its passion. Something Viking fans and their state government don’t have. We don’t jump off the wagon when we have a 6-10 or 4-12 year.

  142. Let’s summarize.
    Vikings attendance is higher last two seasons than Lambeau as a percentage of total capacity. Lambeau on average has 1800 more empty seats in it than the Metrodome. Even if you consider the occasional 500-1000 seat corporate buyouts we still rank higher. That isn’t to say you suck. Your attendance is also great. It is just to say that you are ignorant when you mock our attendance on threads. You have no clue on reality.
    Vikings have won more games overall and head to head with Packers since 1969. Yes that is a convenient date to pick because it is the first season the Vikes were actually good. But if the Packers were as dominant over us as their fans like to believe then wouldn’t they have won more games than us in the last 40 seasons?
    Vikings ratings as a population percentage are higher in Minneapolis than Packers ratings as a percentage in Green Bay. Look this up for a handful of games this season. Our team at 12-4 was more watched by locals than your 11-5 team. Again not to say you guys suck. Just to say you have no place telling us that we do.
    I can prove all of those facts above and actually I have on boards over the year. I am not trying to say we are “better”. In fact I think we are pretty equal all considered which makes it a fun rivalry and not just some sad ritualistic beating like what we do to the Lions.
    My point in all this is how Packer kool-aid drinkers talk smack about our fanbase whenever our team is pounding yours on the field. In reality, most of your points are not consistent with actual reality. We are close to equals for the most part historically. Just because you think differently doesn’t mean it is the truth.
    Vikings fans just have a different mindset than you. Our hockey, basketball, and baseball teams have been solid overall through history. You guys only have football. People from your state come to ours in high numbers seeking opportunity. If not for the Packers you would be North Dakota. I don’t blame you one bit for your “Packers are greatest ever” mindsets. It is a result of your environment. Your only other choice would be to accept that your state is kind of pathetic compared to ours and that wouldn’t be much fun at all would it.

  143. You have hockey, basketball, and baseball. But we don’t?
    Milwaukee Bucks and Milwaukee Brewers? They’re in the same state. Not the same city, but we root for our state teams. I live in Milwaukee, but still root for a team two hours north of me because they’re my state’s team. Sure the Bucks suck, but your timberwolves are just as bad. The Brewers and Twins are about the same, so there’s no point in wasting breath there.
    What makes our state pathetic and yours so great? Outside of Minneapolis/St. Paul, what does your state have? Outside of Milwaukee/Madison, what does Wisconsin have? Our states are quite similar. Let’s not sit here and act like we live in California or Florida.
    I’m done for the day. Its been fun arguing with you, but I gotta go home. So if you don’t hear a response from me, do not assume that I am bowing down to you. It simply means that I have a life outside of sitting in my office arguing with internet bloggers all day.

  144. Sando says:
    If not for the Packers you would be North Dakota.
    ___________
    Other than the fact that there are 1 million more people in Wisconsin than Minnesota.
    And unlike Minnesota and ND, 70% of our land is not flat, barren prairie.
    And our college football and basketball teams have been relevant this decade.
    And we have the two of the most visited vacation destinations in the Midwest, and those destinations do not include a giant mall featuring the worlds largest Gap store.
    I could go all day. Have you ever been outside of the metro bubble and seen what Minnesota looks like?

  145. Sando, have the Vikes win a couple of World Championships and then your stuff about the teams and fans being close to equal may not be quite as hollow. As an added benefit, the topics of tradition and history may no longer be so off-limits with much of the Viking “faithful.” I agree that the two fanbases have different mindsets. Vike fans (in general) don’t care as much. Vike fans (in general) project an aura of arrogance that has not been justified – even ONCE – during the fifty years they’ve had a team. Why do so many people who work in the Twin City metro area choose to live in Wisconsin, in places like Hudson? Why is there a steady stream of vehicles gettin’ the hell out of Mini every Friday night across the river into Wisconsin? I’ll give you a hint. It’s not because they think Wisconsin is “kind of pathetic” compared to Mini. But what the heck – you’ve still got the Mall of America, so go shop your blues away.

  146. Emoney says “Do Cub fans give up on their team after losing year after year? No. They get back up and say that next year will be their year. Its passion. Something Viking fans and their state government don’t have. We don’t jump off the wagon when we have a 6-10 or 4-12 year.”
    —————————————–
    I’m a Cubs/Vikes fan from MN, and I also love the Twins, (painful I know)…You can’t just put a whole state or group of people and lump them together and call them bandwaggoners. It’s not fair. Every team has them, and no one can deny that. I know Packer and Vikes fans that would cheer for their team day in and day out of an 0-16 season. I’d say that the majority of fans are not bandwaggoners, but people on this site use that as a way to shoot down other fans that they obviously do not know.

  147. Emoney,
    My god you need to give up because you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper trying to argue with me.
    Twins and Brewers are pretty much the same, no need to waste breath!? You have to be joking. The Brewers have made the playoffs once since 1983, losing in the first round. The Twins have won their division 5 of the last 8 seasons. Twins have won the World Series twice in the last 25 years. Brewers made it once and lost. Brewers are the absolute definition of bottom feeder and always have been while the Twins are more than respectable. They did all that damage with a bottom 1/3 payroll. Plus our team is looking stacked right now.
    Yeah, you run along home with your tail tucked. You have been destroyed in every argument you’ve attempted at today. Get some.

  148. who is the imposter that used my name!
    I demand vengeance! I demand!
    MN and WI are exactly the same.
    now for the love of god shut up!

  149. jimmySee says:
    February 10, 2010 10:07 PM
    I’m a Packers fan, a stockholder.
    ==========================
    This comment alone, disqualifies you from ever being taken seriously on this site again.
    You are not a stockholder!!!!
    What you hold is a worthless piece of toilet paper!
    That is all it is good for.
    I hear at the end of the trading day, it’s still trading for $0.00 a share.
    It’s not a voting stock.
    It’s worthless, Face it, you were duped by the organization.
    But, it always brings a laugh because morons like you think you “own” part of the team.
    It’s nice that you posted that though. Not only should you be old enough to know better to think that you are a “stockholder”, it means I can skip over your posts as the worthless drivel that they are. Anyone that calls themselves a Packer stockholder is too stupid to argue with,
    Good day sir I say good day!

  150. Emoney–It’s amazing to think you have a high paying job when you sit on the computer and rant for hours on end. Obviously, your current employer “didn’t get the memo.” They’d probably have to ask you, “Emoney, what is it…..that you….do here?” Also, just because the Vikings are listed last on the N/A list doesn’t mean their technically last, it means their is no data to fill out the list. They could be 10th, they could be 15th, they could be 5th, we don’t know, thus we can’t infer that their last. I know you’re running on low voltage, but please try to follow.
    At any rate, I’m not a Vikes fan, but I think the crux of the conversation resides around #4. To go from #1 in the home rankings three years running to the late teens means something drastic happened. #4 happened in Minny. The face of franchise bitch slapped the whole organization. Lets face it, the pack were probably one of the worst 2 or 3 franchises through the 70s-80s and then #4 galvanized the whole organization and made it tick.
    Lost in all this translation is the fact that Minny draws very well on the road, better in fact, than GB.
    And yes, people from Wisconsin are proven to have the highest rate of binge drinking. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

  151. Well gosh, according to all you so-called “experts” out there, sounds like all the people of Minnesota just need to walk out and build the thing with their money. Some of you, don’t realize it comes down to the lawmakers jackasses. I also love the Viking fans are this and that. I could turn around and say the same thing for all you Packer fans that I have witnessed being complete ass goblins. Take your self righteous bullshit and go snake your toilet.

  152. @Doc- UW-Madison. #1 Public University in the nation in ’08. 43% of Minnesota high school students attend school in Wisconsin. Nice try, though. I try to use facts and numbers. You use, “gonorrhea, trailer park, fat, ugly.” Insecure and inferior, just like your fag infested state (another fact, by the way).
    Now, you’ll have to excuse me. I’m dropping my hideous daughter off at Grandma and Grandpas while my ugly wife and I head from Minneapolis to Hudson, where there is non-gay/somalian night life.

  153. Emoney says:
    I can see how you think you’ve dominated us for so many years. I guess if you want to look back to the 70’s, then yes, you did dominate when the most of you weren’t even that mistake that happened between your parents that one drunken night.
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    Pot meet Kettle. I guess it’s no different then Packer fans boasting about what happened BEFORE the 70’s with those twelve “championships”. You weren’t alive then either you jackass (Don’t think for a second I believe you’re even close to your 30’s with the crap you spew) and another thing, all the Viking haters on here that say we have such a sad and pathetic franchise are truly out of their mind, I guess we’re so “pathetic” that you swarm to every article that revolves around our “sad” franchise…. give me a break.

  154. Wow, the 7th largest city in the State of Texas and one man can figure out how to build the finest football facility in the world and yet the whole State of Minnesota can’t seem to get anything done. What’s wrong with this picture?

  155. Here’s the thing I don’t understand Emoney,
    Who cares about what happened in the 60’s-70’s? Yeah the Vikings made it to 4 Super Bowls and lost them, that’s nothing new, but that doesn’t compare to this Viking team…. Now, if all of the same players from the 76 team were still on the team this year (with same coaching staff) THEN and ONLY then you could say “yeah ya’ll went to the Super Bowl and lost…..” With your ideology, you’re saying that the Rams, Browns, Dolphins, Chiefs and Redskins (just to name a few) have NOTHING to worry about or play for this season because hey, they’ve won it before!? They can suck from here on out, but they’d be better than the Vikings because decades ago they won a Super Bowl….. The fact that the Vikings haven’t won, only makes those of us who are true fans (I do not include Pervy in this category, that I do agree with you on) look better, we have something to root for… I will ALWAYS root for the Vikings just like JimmySmith will ALWAYS look like an asshole.

  156. Classless bringing up Chai Vang. Both states have stupid hunters who have no regard for laws or property lines. As an owner of 200 hunting acres in Minny, I can attest that those losers are out there and that they come from all states, including Minn and Wisc.

  157. Professor says: February 10, 2010 2:34 PM
    “The Packers already have a historic and classy rivalry with Chicago. The games are exciting and there’s mutual respect.”
    -wrong…i’ve seen evidence to the opposite firsthand plenty of times…you shouldn’t speak in absolutes like that, it hurts your credibility…i’ve got plenty of cheesehad buddies that talk about the bears in a way that makes all of you packer fans here look like you love the vikings.
    “Because most Viking fans are classless assholes with no respect for the game, other teams, other fans or even their own franchise. For all you fans that are not familiar with Viking fans first hand. They are obnoxious, rude slobs. I have personally watched Viking fans consistently start fights, leave bags of garbage and throw beer bottles all over the parking lot around Lambeau. Not to mention all the shit talking they do in person and on blogs like this.”
    -and you know most vikings fans right? so that makes you the authority? I have personally seen a drunken middle aged cheesehead physically threaten an 8 year old in a vikings jersey, and have also seen the behavior you mentioned from packer fans. but that doesn’t mean i lump all packer fans in with those people, because i’m not an ignorant douche like you apparently are.
    “They have fans that are not willing to chip in for a staduim and an owner who wants to sell the team.”
    -wrong again…for someone that calls himself the professor you sure are ignorant and make yourself sound like an idiot.
    “Sorry Viking fans but you made your bed, now suffocate and die in it. One winning season and you think you can go around talking shit to the rest of the fans in the league….well look where it got you.”
    -suffocate and die huh? more of that class displayed by a butt-hurt packer fan. and packer fans don’t go around talking shit to the rest of the league right? yep you’re ALL just a buncha classy respectful individuals…right…
    here’s a news flash for you since you’re obviously too stupid to surmise this on your own: every team has shitty fans, yours included.
    get off your high horse and let some of that anger towards the vikings go, you’re taking this way too seriously. relax before you become another one of those packer fans that takes his anger out on his family.

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