Roethlisberger hires lawyer who defended Ray Lewis

More than a decade ago, Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis was accused of murder in Georgia.  He hired Ed Garland to handle the case.  Eventually, the worst of the charges against Lewis were dropped, and he pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice.

Now, Garland will be asked to help another high-profile NFL player. 

Per a league source, Garland has been hired to represent the interests of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger in the sexual assault investigation that is still unfolding in Milledgeville, Georgia.  Roethlisberger has not yet been charged.

Roethlisberger was interviewed at the scene by authorities, and he was then told that he was free to leave.  He returned to Pittsburgh on Friday.  Authorities have said that he could be interviewed again.

Even though no charges have been filed, there surely has been plenty of work to do for Garland and other lawyers who represent Roethlisberger.  They have interviewed all of the key witnesses, and they most likely have been in close communication with authorities. 

Their initial goal will be to persuade investigators that charges should not be filed.  In matters of this nature, that’s the best possible outcome that can be achieved.

117 responses to “Roethlisberger hires lawyer who defended Ray Lewis

  1. Cause Ray Ray was ‘not guilty’… right?
    Nice association there Ben. More like Ray than Manning and Brady.

  2. If Roethlisberger hired Ed Garland as his attorney it can only mean one thing.
    He’s guilty.

  3. If it gets to trial. The look for all key witness to change their testimony at the trial. Just like in the Lewis case.

  4. The NFL needs their own cell block. Filled with names like Donte Stallworth, Ray Carruth, Pacman, Rapelisberger, and O.J.

  5. Anybody notice that ESPN is actually reporting on this incident this time? Did Big Ben refuse to give them an interview recently?

  6. Best possibe outcome IF he’s innocent. Worst possible outcome if he’s guilty.
    p.s. Ray Lewis should be in jail.

  7. Of course he’s guilty. Women are reluctant to bring these charges… so one can only guess how many others he’s victimized. Roethlisberger is a great QB whose hobby is serial rape. If it wasn’t for the “great QB” part he’d be in prison already.

  8. Like Chris Rock says….” ‘well if you hire a high profile attorney, you’re going to look guilty.’ Yeah, but you’re going home. You want to look innocent in jail? I’d rather look guilty at the mall.”

  9. Great hire! I mean Ray Ray MURDERED someone and is out enjoying a productive NFL career.

  10. I am a die hard Steeler fan. I have always took pride in the fact that we had players with good reputations and did not have thugs like the Bengals. However even though it would hurt the team, if Big Ben is quilty, I hope the Steelers get rid of him. Even if he is inocent, I believe he is stupid for putting himself in that position. He is proving to be a problem that the Steelers don’t need. He is too full of himself!

  11. As a Steeler fan I think it’s is time to cut this guy loose. Every off-season there is a different issue with this guy. I was inclined to take his side because of the odd circumstances of the woman’s story last time, but this is the last straw. I think the Steelers should bite the bullet and release him.

  12. @ cowhog
    It took them about 12 hours before they caught on though. I think we flooded them with enough complaints that they realized they needed to gain some journalistic integrity and get off of Kobe/Lebron’s jocks

  13. Dear FireJerryJones,
    Oh, yeah, Manning and Brady are fine, upstanding law abiders. Whatever Ben did with this girl in Georgia, can it be much worse than having Manning’s “rectum” dragged across your face, like he did to the female trainer at Tennessee? Would you rather be shot at during a wedding, a la Brady?

  14. Well that is great news. I am glad the wealthy folks in the world have access to the best lawyers. What would the world be like if our hero’s ended up paying for their

  15. Oh, sweet. I totally didn’t expect any “Ray is a murderer” comments or anything.
    In other news, Ben is a rapist.

  16. If Rapistberger hired a lawyer with this amount of street cred, we must we WAY beyond a “he said she said… he groped me on the dance floor situation…”
    Even Gaye Focker was able to keep the snake in its cage for 72 hours… where’s the self control there, Benjamin?

  17. Ray SHOULD NOT be in jail.
    Ray WAS NOT guilty of murder.
    Read the FACTS of the case. The truth is that Ray was guilty of EXACTLY what he PLED guilty to (telling other people to keep their mouths shut and not helping police IS obstruction of justice).
    It is unfair to imply any similarities exist between Ben and Ray. Ray turned his life around and become a pillar of strength and generosity in our community. He is a leader and we are lucky to have him!
    Ben is a pig.

  18. He should have hired Kobe’s lawyer. Ray didn’t do anything and still faced obstruction charges and fines by the NFL. Based on news reports, Ben did something.

  19. If you can get a guy off for accessory to murder then fondling a college coed in a bar should be a walk in the park.

  20. And it could just be that Garland works out of Atlanta (close proximity). Good attorney, knows the area and is close by.

  21. Thats what I dont understand about how police operate. Every time I have ever came in contact with police I have been charged with a crime that same day and on 2 separate occasions I was completely innocent. Now I have been not innocent before( mostly fighting) but I always get charged.
    So how has Ben not been charged yet? This girl said she was raped and Ben said he didnt rape her. How can police go off of that and decide if hes guilty or not? Witnesses have said that he was in the bathroom with her and he had his body guards stopping anyone from going in. So its her word against his the police have no right to say if he did it or not. So they should file her claim charge him and let a jury of their peers judge all the evidence on what really happened in the bathroom.
    I once was accused of hitting a guy at his house. It was just me and him their and we got in an argument but nothing physical happened. This guy went and told the cops I hit him and they took his word and charged me. I mean damn how can I be charged for that when their was no witnesses and no marks on his body and Ben cant be charged for a woman saying he raped her.
    I dunno something needs to be done here. It is wrong if he gets to walk away from this without a trail. If hes innocent good thank god he will be proven innocent and he will be vindicated. If he isnt however and it doesnt go trial there is something really wrong with this judicial system.

  22. from reports i’ve heard on deadspin.com who get stories from the people that saw everything that night Big Ben was arrested, it sounds like this girl is making this shit up.

  23. rodstiffington says:
    March 8, 2010 7:56 AM
    Great hire! I mean Ray Ray MURDERED someone and is out enjoying a productive NFL career.
    Ditto…….absolutley right on the GD money!

  24. In other news, Ray is a murderer. But on the bright side, that means Ben will get off scott free either way!

  25. i understand Lewis was not found guilty of murder; however, why would he reach a settlement with four-year-old daughter of one of the victims AND come to an undisclosed settlement with the family of one of the victim’s…if he didn’t play more of a role than obstructing justise?
    doesn’t that sound fishy?

  26. to:”ericajones36 says:
    March 8, 2010 8:25 AM
    Ray SHOULD NOT be in jail.
    Ray WAS NOT guilty of murder” Girl are you kidding me? If he was not guilty of murder why did he pay off all those cival claims against him? If your innocent, go to court and prove it!
    Arrested for murder
    Following a Super Bowl XXXIV party in Atlanta on January 31, 2000, a fight broke out between him and another group of people, resulting in the stabbing deaths of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar. Lewis and two companions, Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting, were brought to an Atlanta police station for questioning. Eleven days later, the three were indicted on murder and aggravated assault charges.
    At the trial, the vast majority of testimony was either inconclusive or supported the defense’s contention that Lewis acted solely as a peacemaker. ESPN legal analyst Alan J. Baverman said, “as to Ray Lewis, there is no evidence that he assisted anybody in a stabbing or encouraged anybody to do a stabbing which would make him a party to felony murder, malice murder, or felony assault with a knife.”[19]
    Lewis’s attorney arranged for the murder charges against Lewis to be dropped in exchange for his testimony against Oakley and Sweeting, and a guilty plea to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice.[20]. Lewis was sentenced to one year of probation and was fined US$250,000 by the NFL, which was believed to be the highest fine levied against an NFL player for an infraction not involving substance abuse.[21]
    Oakley and Sweeting were acquitted of the charges in June 2000.[22] No other suspects have ever been arrested for the crime.
    The following year, Lewis was named Super Bowl XXXV MVP. However, due to the controversy,[citation needed] he did not get the endorsements or the Disney World trip offered to recent MVP recipients. The signature phrase “I’m going to Disney World!” was given instead by quarterback Trent Dilfer.
    On April 29, 2004, Lewis reached a settlement with four-year-old India Lollar, born months after the death of her father Richard, preempting a scheduled civil proceeding. Lewis also reached an undisclosed settlement with Baker’s family\

  27. Stop bringing Ray Lewis comments up. He’s guilty of obstruction of justice nothing more. The other guys charged in the crime were let go with NO Charges. Remember Darrant Williams before any of you idiots starting casting doubt on Ray Lewis, a man who’s done nothing but good since his tragic experience in Atlanta.
    It appears Fatburger is a serial rapist of young women, I know to many of you that’s just below killing dogs, but as a father of 3 innocent girls I hope the guy ROTS in Jail.

  28. Get the facts straight, there was NO RAPE! Any 20 years old drunk chick who takes a man into the ladies room can say anything! I say it will be proven that she is a money hungry hick!

  29. A very prudent move to hire Mr. Garland as counsel.
    If it wasn’t for this gentleman, Ray Lewis wouldn’t be perusing the cutlery at his local department store right now.

  30. Everyone needs to give Ray Lewis a break i mean come on seriously. No body knows what happened that night and the charges were dropped against him. He’s a great player, a future hall of famer and he deserves a break. That sh*t happened like ten years ago

  31. I like how people seem to know the intricacies of all these criminal cases. All I’ve read about this Ben thing is the he and a group of friends were partying with some girls through out the night and at the end the girl said he assaulted her. How can I get the inside story?

  32. Re: CowHog
    I believe ESPNs “position” on reporting issues of this nature is that they do not typically care to report “civil” action. In Roethlisberger’s previous case, civil action was brought. In this case, we have a (potential) criminal complaint. I believe that may be the difference.

  33. Every time I read the comments section on this site I’m reminded how ignorant the masses are.
    Were any of you there that night? Do you know anything about the situation at all? I mean honestly, the guy hires a lawyer and you assume he’s guilty? I sincerely hope you’re all too lazy to ever fulfill your jury duty when you’re called on.

  34. It’s nice to know that with enough money you can avoid getting in trouble for things like rape and murder. [/sarcasm]

  35. Ray Lewis tried to break up the fight, and ended up with a conviction and a criminal record. Ed Garland couldn’t even convince the prosecutor not to bring murder charges aganst him.
    The two guys who actually did the stabbing were found innocent. If I were Roethlisberger I’d want THEIR lawyer, not Garland.

  36. The best possible outcome would be for Big Ben to keep Little Ben in his jockstrap.

  37. Hey Pittsburgh – I’ll trade you JaMarcus Russell for Big Ben straight across. No off-season drama to worry about anymore. (Russell doesn’t do ANYTHING during the offseason).

  38. Ollie says:
    March 8, 2010 8:00 AM
    I am a die hard Steeler fan. I have always took pride in the fact that we had players with good reputations and did not have thugs like the Bengals. However even though it would hurt the team, if Big Ben is quilty, I hope the Steelers get rid of him. Even if he is inocent, I believe he is stupid for putting himself in that position. He is proving to be a problem that the Steelers don’t need. He is too full of himself!
    James Harrison, Najeh Davenport, Santonio Holmes, Jonathan Dekker, Barrett Brooks and Jeff Reed ring a bell? Not to mention your ex-trainer who was involved with selling steroids. Why is it that only Davenport was let loose?
    Heck, even your mascot was arrested.

  39. He’s described as a lawyer that can get the guilty off. What a great country that a man’s job is to keep rapists and murderers on the street…and he’s very wealthy because of it.

  40. He is going to get off. From the sounds of it, this girl was wasted. She doesn’t even know what went down in that bathroom. She isn’t going to be very convincing. Which is sad, because I really think he might have done something this time or gone a little farther than that girl might have wanted.

  41. At least someone in Pittsburgh likes females. Lets look at the facts:
    -Hines Wards flashes the biggest smile ever displayed on the football field whenever he gets tackled. He loves dudes jumping on top of him. Simply put, he loves the sausage!
    -Troy Polamalu has the most feminine voice/hair combo in the NFL. He is the spokes person for hair products… are you serious! The dude needs to retire so he can come out of the closet.
    -Then you have the sorry fans/stadium. If naming your field after a Ketchup bottle isn’t flaming enough, you are the only team in the NFL without cheerleaders.
    Go ahead and wave your little towels, while getting off w/ Ward and his dude on dude fantasy you flaming homos! While you’re at it, make sure to toss your leader, you know the only guy on your roster who actually loves women, who also helped lead you to 2 SB rings, under the bus before he is even proven guilty!
    Typical Steelers Nation Baby!!!!!

  42. Big Ben hired the lawyer that he was most comfortable with. If it was me, I would be trying to resurrect Johnnie Cochran.
    If I can afford a high-priced attorney, I’m going to hire a high-priced attorney… innocent or guilty.
    Ray is at home, watching film with a 10 o’clock appointment at the police precinct gym where he is the personal trainer for the police department.

  43. Big Ben should use the lawyer that got former Packler great Mark Chmura out of the hot water he was in.

  44. @ EricaJones36
    You say Ray was not guilty of Murder… Then state “He turned his life around”. If he was not guilty, realistically, why would he need to turn his life around?
    As for Big Ben Dover Rapistberger, in my best John Wayne voice, “Guilty As Charged”! Like I said, as a Browns fan, I always thought Ben would look fabulous in orange!
    Sorry Tar and Urine fans, 3 accusations? It is no coincidence he continues to get charged. NFL Players are too g** d?** stupid to just live a normal life and stay away from situations of this sort. Is players being shot and being killed not enough to change your Rockstar lifestyle?

  45. Drat says:
    March 8, 2010 8:07 AM
    words escape me after i read your post but i think it’s fair to say you are an IMBECILE and if we put your brain on the edge of a razor blade it would be like putting a pebble on the middle of the 50 yard line of a football field.

  46. Chris-
    Did you read what you posted? Thank you for supporting my argument! I am sure that proving me right was not your intention but you get an A+. I also appreciate your copy and paste skills.
    P.S. Ray paid the civil suit b/c it was the right thing to do and he was the only one with the financial means necessary to ensure that the child would have some sort of security in the future. You don’t have to be GUILTY of the crime to feel remorse for the situation.

  47. @ EricaJones
    You do a nice job defending Lewis. And Chris, you do a better job of making her point for her than you make a case for guilt.
    Ray paid off the civil suit because that’s what our justice system does to corporations and individuals with means, regardless of their guilt or innocence. BTW, members of the Lollar family are on record saying they do not believe Ray killed anyone.
    The case was about Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard seeing a chance to hitch his career to a high profile case.
    But whatever, I’ve read this site long enough to know that the hillbillies will crawl out of the woodwork to label Ray a murderer at the drop of a hat.

  48. I love the arguments between steeler and Ravens fans on who’s crime is worse. Raping a young woman and murder aren’t good supporting arguments. Ben is scum and we’ll see if he does anything to better himself.

  49. And starting at quarterback for your 2010 pissburgh steelers #16 Charlie Batch……!!!!!!

  50. I don’t know why I even bother reading these comments. Some of you are real idiots!! Ok, first off….sexual assault DOES NOT mean he raped anybody!! Secondly, why not wait until all the facts are out before you pronounce him guilty!! Does anyone remember the Duke Lacrosse case?? Where everyone assumed the players were guilty and raped that woman?? Turns out she was lying. Yes, believe it or not, women do lie about these things.
    Does anyone else find it just a little fishy that her description of her supposed attacker was exactly what the Steelers website lists Ben as being…6’3″ and 241 pounds?? Really? You’re going to look at a guy and automatically guess 241 pounds??
    I just hope that when it comes out that this girl is lying that everyone comes back on here and isssues an APOLOGY!!

  51. Its hilarious when B-more fans are so quick to point out that Ray wasn’t actually convicted of anything, and thus there is no possible way he can be called a murderer… right. And, of course, they’ll be the first to throw a stone at Rapelisberger when he’s never even been charged with a crime. Fat Ben and Murderin’ Ray Ray and both pieces of shit and should be thrown in the slammer. While we’re at it, lets just disband the entire AFC North – its nothing but a division of thugs and trash.

  52. “Now I have been not innocent before( mostly fighting) but I always get charged.”
    Bet you’re not the first 0-3gle fan that has had to bear such a burden. It’s not hard to go through your entire life and not get charged with a crime, lowbrows.

  53. You guys are all idiots. Let’s see:
    I can afford the best attorney, so I’ll just hire the worst guy in the state. Why not it’s only my life. You have to get a lawyer from that state who can practice there so why not go for the best and proven guy.
    Second, I’m absolutely sure in an economy like we have and times like these no one, woman or man, would ever lie or stretch the truth to get a payday from a popular rich athlete.
    Third, all of you guys have convicted Ben before he’s even charged let alone before a trial.
    The case in Nevada has lots of gaps and there is a lot to say it looks like a woman scorned and no criminal charges. I’m with Ben so far on that one.
    In the GA case I hope he’s innocent but if he’s not I’ll be the first to say so, but I’m not so sure we’re not looking at another small town situation of an accuser looking for a payday.
    Any truth to the word she said it was a guy who “was 6’5″ 241 pounds?” Who says 241 pounds? Did she see his driver’s license? Or, just read about him in some sports rag?
    You guys have measured, weighed and found Ben Guilty before he’s even been accused by the authorities. If you live by that system of justice maybe we should just go the Iranian system of justice.
    Typical today, just typical.

  54. After Big Ben beats the rap maybe he will become the grand old man of the game like Ray Ray. Before every game they will show all his teammates huddled up around him as he tries to inspire them and he will get teary eyed in every interview when describing his passion for the game. (in my heart of hearts, not like I was there or anything, Ray Lewis didn’t stab anyone but he was guilty of obstructing justisce. You just heard from too many outlets that if Ray Lewis tried to open his mouth to the authorites he was as good as dead – all pro linebacker or not)

  55. If I was Big Ben I would hire a team of lawyers and have them on a retainer, maybe OJ’s lawyers.

  56. Any truth to the rumor that Big Ben is also trying to raise Johnny Cochran from the dead?

  57. “you have the sorry fans/stadium. If naming your field after a Ketchup bottle isn’t flaming enough, you are the only team in the NFL without cheerleaders. ”
    2nd team…NEW YORK GIANTS DO NOT HAVE CHEERLEADERS EITHER…I BELIEVE…

  58. Everybody who isn’t an idiot knows Ray Lewis was innocent, especially when the murderer goes to jail for it….and writes a rap song about how he did it.
    Ray was guilty of not ratting out a friend, and clearly got off easy simply because he finally gave in.
    If Ben’s at all innocent, he’ll be alright. But, it’s not like that lawyer did a whole lot for Ray. Any lawyer with half a brain could get a witness to talk rather than be charged for something they didn’t do.

  59. Devils Advocate,
    Words didn’t escape you. You’ve lost a little credibility there. My point was simple and true: Manning, Brady, Ben — they’ve all behaved illegally and avoided convictions. Rectum dragging, posse gunfire, co-ed fondling, take your choice. Now let’s see if words escape you again.

  60. I cannot believe some of the posts. I absolutely agree with the person who posted in regards to jury duty! There is a difference between civil judgment and criminal judgment. OJ is the perfect example. He was acquitted of murder in criminal court but was ordered to pay restitution in civil court to the Goldman’s. In regards to Roethlisberger he is innocent until proven guilty. Most of you have already thrown him under the bus. Most women who put themselves in this position are out for the money. Rape is something that when it happens to a women she does not want the whole world to know. She is embarrassed and feels it is her fault. Real rape victims are a wounded soul. This woman is just a golddigger! She was drunk and cannot remember what happened. Obviously there was no apparent evidence to hold him on. They will let the District Attorney sort out the situation and go from there.

  61. lewis was caught in a bad situation with bad people. was he guilty of double murder? maybe, but the evidence says no. testimonies from people involved said he was acting as a peacemaker the entire time. yes he paid money to the families of the deceseased but naturally those families are going to go after the rich football player, not the other parties involved.
    Not saying the situations are equal (double murder vs sexual assault) but the evidence showed lewis was innocent, and he has more than learned from his mistakes. that one night was the first and last time you have heard lewis’ name on the police blotter. Ben seems to be making a habit of this.
    Once is an accident, twice is a trend.

  62. ericajones36 says:
    March 8, 2010 8:25 AM
    Ray SHOULD NOT be in jail.
    Ray WAS NOT guilty of murder.
    Read the FACTS of the case. The truth is that Ray was guilty of EXACTLY what he PLED guilty to (telling other people to keep their mouths shut and not helping police IS obstruction of justice).
    It is unfair to imply any similarities exist between Ben and Ray. Ray turned his life around and become a pillar of strength and generosity in our community. He is a leader and we are lucky to have him!
    ————————————————-
    Yeah I want my kid to be just like him.
    I mean the dancing, not the other stuff.

  63. Flex20:
    We don’t care that one of Pittsburgh’s successful business’ paid for the naming rights to the stadium. If that’s gay, it must be a secret gay code that I wonder how you know about.
    Actually seven NFL teams do not have cheer leaders: Lions, Bears, Browns, Packers, Giants, Jets and Steelers.
    Let us know when you graduate from elementary school, where calling someone gay is the most original put down they can come up with.

  64. When Kordell Stewart was their QB, the Rooneys didn’t worry about women accusing him of rape….

  65. Why is everybody continuing to beat a dead horse? Lewis was not convicted of murder, or accessory to murder he was convicted of obstruction of justice. He likely paid the civil cases for the same reason he plead guilty to obstruc charge!!! Give it a rest.

  66. @DB26.
    “You say Ray was not guilty of Murder… Then state “He turned his life around”.”
    No one is saying Ray didn’t make mistakes. But making mistakes does not prove he is a murderer.
    After the ordeal of the trial Lewis announced that he was a changed man and was no longer going to allow so many shady characters into his inner circle–see Sweeting and Oakley–nor would he put himself in night clubs at 2 in the morning where he was easy prey. Lying to police, the misdemeanor that he was found to be guilty of, is another lesson. Don’t place your bros above your duty to tell the truth.
    Regardless of his guilt or innocence, Ben should have learned this lesson. No good comes when a young millionaire is out in nightclubs in Georgia partying with his boys into the wee hours.
    There is an expression that goes like this: When you are guilty, hire a good lawyer; when you are innocent, hire a good lawyer faster. I don’t know which applies to Ben, but I do know that he’s been given a few chances to learn some life lessons, and unlike Ray, he hasn’t seemed to learn a lick.

  67. I kind of doubt he is actually raping women, especially in public. All she had to do was scream for help.
    I think he may be more guilty of being a jerk afterwards, then the woman feels taken advantage of or feels like she was tricked into having sex etc.

  68. Big Ben is Guilty..She said he did it so it MUST be true..right? She told people he did it so he must be found guilty. There is no other possible way!

  69. RavensFanatic: “Everyone needs to give Ray Lewis a break i mean come on seriously. No body knows what happened that night… He’s a great player, a future hall of famer and he deserves a break.”
    Same could be said about Ben.
    Flex20: Didn’t know you were so homophobic, although with all of the gay references you made, maybe you need to come out of the closet.
    As for Ben, I’m a Steelers fan and always will be—was before Ben came along and will be one long after he’s gone. The guy has seriously got to grow up and quit thinking all girls want him. If he keeps this up, he’s going to go jail. Instead of being lumped with Brady and Manning, he’s now in the company of Tiger Woods. He’s got to quit acting like an idiot and grow up. He’s a franchise QB and the face of the Steelers and he’s got to start acting that way. Right now he’s just an embarrassment.

  70. Typical squeeler fans………….trying to deflect criticism from rapistberger by whining about events that happened 10 years ago. lil ben is sexually assaulting women recently. Pay attention to that!!

  71. We live in a great country that says we are INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY. It has not been proven that Ben is guilty so until there is proof then he is innocent. Ray Lewis was proven innocent for murder, so therefore he is innocent.
    As for this alleged charge against Ben, if he did do it he should receive jail time, and be kicked out of the NFL, and if he’s not guilty this girl should be put in jail for the false accusation.
    The problem is that some girls who cry wolf just for the money, as so many have done before, have hurt girls who this actually happens to. So if you aren’t happy with the fact that he wasn’t charged right away, blame all the girls who lied and said that a high profile person attacked them when it was false. Now the police have to be extremely careful with these high profile cases, since so many girls have just made accusations to receive money out of it.

  72. Here’s a quote off Deadspin for all you haters and geniuses, from a guy who — unlike you — was actually there that night. Take from it what you will:
    —————————————————-
    “Friday, as news of the assault charges broke, one of the Milledgeville bartenders said the charges against Roethlisberger were “bullshit” and that “she was all over him that night…. wonder why he pursued??? she saw $$$ signs.”
    —————————————————-
    Feel free to look it up on your own.

  73. Maybe he’s innocent. Maybe there’s no fire behind this second cloud of smoke. However, guilty or not, there is absolutley no question that this dope hasn’t learned from his last experience. He simply shouldn’t put himself in those situations.

  74. If she was too drunk to know what happened, she was too drunk to give CONSENT.
    Thus, probably, the rape allegation.
    Keep it in mind, lads: It can happen to any one of us. And Roethlisberger is a ridiculously stoopid guy for getting into the situation.
    Now, please carry on with all the genuinely hi-larious Ray Lewis and Rapistberger jokes. Those always sound so fresh and inventive every single time they are made. Really.

  75. “I believe ESPNs “position” on reporting issues of this nature is that they do not typically care to report “civil” action. In Roethlisberger’s previous case, civil action was brought. In this case, we have a (potential) criminal complaint. I believe that may be the difference.”
    Ever heard of a guy named Michael Irvin? They reported the civil suit filed against him the day after it was filed.

  76. Roland 2305:
    Get with the times. Charlie Batch is no longer the Steelers back up QB, Dennis Dixon is. If you’re a fan of the Purple Birds, you should know that as Dixon nearly led the Steelers to a victory over the Purple Birds, in Baltimore.
    The Steelers with Dennis Dixon at QB still would be serious contenders.

  77. “# RavensFanatic says: March 8, 2010 9:01 AM
    Everyone needs to give Ray Lewis a break i mean come on seriously. No body knows what happened that night and the charges were dropped against him.”
    Since when did that stop anybody (especially Ravens fans) from proclaiming Roethlisberger’s guilt?
    He hasn’t been arrested, and no charges have even been filed. Yet he did it, but Ray Lewis didn’t?

  78. serioulsy? Nobody is funny anymore. Just turn these comments off PFT. all the above were like knock knock jokes, you have heard them all before and the ones you haven’t are just as dumb.
    Common sense tells me Ben doesn’t have to “rape” women. Its a young women knowing who is, what he has, and dumb enough to think she can get some easy money.
    I know you hate us Pittsburghers, but I’m cool with it. You hate us because were better than you. Thats how it works, you hate what you envy.

  79. Steelcurtains says:
    March 8, 2010 9:55 AM
    Apologize for what you butthole. This is a forum for this crap. Take a hike
    FrankBurns: Go hammer Hot Lips……Deadspin….oooooohhhhhhhh….gimme a break….
    I also heard that Ben “Will Ferrell” had his picture taken with another girl and signed an autograph and then made a sexual offer to her. She refused and he called her a nasty name.

  80. Ray Lewis begins to tremble in extacy every time a “Slap-Chop” commercial appears on his 100″ plasma!

  81. Here’s a quote off Deadspin for all you haters and geniuses, from a guy who — unlike you — was actually there that night. Take from it what you will:
    ————
    Deadspin is such a reliable source of info. That bartender probably got fat tips all night. If he talked smack Ben wouldn’t come back and get some of that fine Milledgeville strange

  82. I have to laugh at all the Steelers fans that are sooo quick to jump on any story about other players, and then get so butt hurt about Steelers stories.
    Get over it. This is how it works in todays society of internet sites,where anyone can register and post a comment.
    When Brady’s entourage allegedly fires weapons at paparazzi, you are the first to make bone headed statements implying Brady single handedly trained his goons, and instructed them to shoot at the paparazzi. He hired some people, they took it upon themselves to shoot (allegedly).
    When Ray Lewis is brought up, you are the first to say he is a murderer, even though no one but Ray and his accomplices know what really happened. Even though things sure point to something….
    When Donte Stallworth and Leonard Little are brought up, everyone says they should be locked up, key thrown away, etc. Even though most of you drive drunk routinely, and probably all of you have done it at some point.
    But when the shoe is on the other foot, and people make statements about Big Ben, all of a sudden the 2 victims are simply money grubbing whores…..
    It is fun to poke fun at other fans, and other players, etc. We all do it. Like I said, it is fun. As far as I can tell, most of the comments are nothing more than an attempt at humor, and an attempt to get a rise out of certain people. Take it with a grain of salt, and move on……if you are going to dish it out, expect to receive it as well…….

  83. As I said on another thread about this issue this weekend, and as steelersmichele also said above, true Steeler fans will cheer for the Steelers whether Ben is the QB or not. We don’t blindly support our players. And we don’t appreciate our team being embarrased by the actions of the players.
    I love what Ben has done as our QB on the football field; clearly he is one of the best in the league and should only get better. With that being said, even if he is not guilty of any crime in this matter (and I will assume his is not until he is proven otherwise and/or more details come out about exactly what happened) I currently think he has embarrased the organization and himself, and am not sure if he can quickly repair it. Ben needs some serious education in how to conduct yourself as a professional at all times, what it means to be constantly in the public eye and how to stay out of the non-football headlines.
    If I was being investigated for a possible crime, regardless of whether I was guiltly or not, I would hire the best representation I could afford. Nobody should infer anything about Ben hiring the attorney to represent him in this matter. You all would do the exact same thing if in his position.
    I also prefer to let old stories die, such as the Ray Lewis issue.
    Also, the immature dopes that post on these threads while hiding behind their computer IDs make me laugh. How soon we forget–wasn’t it a few years ago or so that 7 or 8 Bengals were arrested for one thing or another in about year? One thing is clear to me, that most of you would rather play the Steelers without Ben as QB because you are afraid of his level of football talent, and you drool all over yourselves as you think of the various ways that might occur.
    So Ben, I hope you didn’t do anything illegal here, and I hope you grow up soon, before it is too late.
    GO STEELERS

  84. @Drat … thanks for the walk down memory lane with Peyton. How soon people forget.
    @ericajonea36 … did you even read your own post? I’ve read the facts in the Lewis case. But clearly you haven’t read one document in the Nevada case against Ben. And I doubt you know anything about the current investigation. Most people don’t like to parade their hypocrisy as publicly as you just have.

  85. Thank god the Giants took Eli! hes quiet and humble
    Ben might not be a rapist but he is an idiot for putting himself in the same situation twice.
    Phillip Rivers , is just an ignorant,arrogant a-hole, that plays on a team that chokes every year.
    Go Giants

  86. A completely innocent misunderstanding. Roethlisberger was just having a “Steely McBeam” moment.

  87. I’m a bengals fan, so I can recognize a scum bag or two (or 53) when I see them. I think fat ben is a used-car salesmen type scum bag. I don’t honestly think he rapped this girl, but I can see him trying to touch her no-zones, and calling her a whore if she doesn’t let me grab a breast or thigh.
    Like someone said, once is an accident, twice is a trend. Ben needs to stick to burgh girls since they all think he’s a god.
    If fat ben would grow a matt jones-style ‘stache, all would be forgiven in my book.

  88. # It puts the lotion on the skin says: March 8, 2010 11:30 AM
    I have to laugh at all the Steelers fans that are sooo quick to jump on any story about other players, and then get so butt hurt about Steelers stories.
    Get over it. This is how it works in todays society of internet sites,where anyone can register and post a comment.
    When Brady’s entourage allegedly fires weapons at paparazzi, you are the first to make bone headed statements implying Brady single handedly trained his goons, and instructed them to shoot at the paparazzi. He hired some people, they took it upon themselves to shoot (allegedly).
    When Ray Lewis is brought up, you are the first to say he is a murderer, even though no one but Ray and his accomplices know what really happened. Even though things sure point to something….
    When Donte Stallworth and Leonard Little are brought up, everyone says they should be locked up, key thrown away, etc. Even though most of you drive drunk routinely, and probably all of you have done it at some point.
    But when the shoe is on the other foot, and people make statements about Big Ben, all of a sudden the 2 victims are simply money grubbing whores…..
    It is fun to poke fun at other fans, and other players, etc. We all do it. Like I said, it is fun. As far as I can tell, most of the comments are nothing more than an attempt at humor, and an attempt to get a rise out of certain people. Take it with a grain of salt, and move on……if you are going to dish it out, expect to receive it as well…….
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    Uh, little bit of a diff chief — Stallworth and Little actually did their crimes. Ben has been accused of ALLEGED behavior.
    Might want to choose your examples more carefully next time, chum.

  89. WOW… you Baltimorons are clueless! (1) There were several witnesses who were to testify against Ray Ray, but at the last minute couldn’t remember anything (guess he signing bonus was put to use), (2) Ray Ray’s blood covered white suit he wore that night was dumped in a garbage bin behind a fast food restaurant according to a female witness in the limo… til this day he cannot produce this white suit to the police, (3) blood was found throughout the limo he leased, (4) no one has been found guilty for the murders (although there are two dead men)… even though there were receipts from Walmart (Ray Ray’s is a big spender) for the knives that were used in the killings. Ray Ray is just another OJ… Guilty as sin, just not in the eyes of the law because money does talk if you have enough of it.

  90. @Route36West …
    Well, I can see you’re paying attention.
    In their press conference, a reporter asked point-blank if it was rape, and the cops said “NO.”
    So the girl didn’t say she was raped.
    They said it was “sexual manipulation.” We don’t yet know what that means, but it may mean groping or grabbing. We don’t know that she’s yet specifically identified him as the perpetrator because the police said they weren’t able to get all the parties together at the same time.
    People are only arrested after the police confirm a crime has occurred. They are interviewing witnesses, etc., to confirm a crime has occurred, to confirm the nature of the crime, and to confirm that they have enough evidence to make a case against a specific individual.
    Incidentally, if it turns out to be some kind of grabbing, groping situation … even if guilty, on a first offense, it is entirely possible that Ben could get some form of probation, not because of his celebrity status but because that is consistent with what other first offenders would get in the same circumstances.

  91. Um, in my experience the only way you lawyer up before charges are filed is when your guilty. Lets face the facts the guy is a rapist and deserves to pay for his actions. I can overlook the first case because that is obviously just some girl trying to get money, she waited damn near a year to say anything and never reported the shit. But with the 2nd case the fact that the girl went directly to the hospital, where they probably did a rape kit and the fact that the police have gotten involved tells me that something did happen. No 20 year old girl is gonna go to hospital and report the crime to the police if said crime did not happen, all she would be doing is causing problems for herself and probably eventually bringing charges down on herself. Not to mention the girl just dropped out of school and left to go back home, after this all took place. All this tells me something did happen and i am sure there were not to many guys in that club or bar that are roughly 6’5″ 250lbs with brown hair and brown eyes. I mean come on, not to mention this is the 2nd time he has been accused of sexual assault. Send this guy to prison so some good all honkey’s can take care of his ass and turn him into the bitch he is.

  92. Stihler fan:
    Actually 6 NFL teams don’t have cheerleaders:
    The ones you listed with exception of the NYJ.
    The simplest term that came to mind when thinking of Squealer Nation was gay. I googled other terms for gay and found this site:
    http://gaylife.about.com/od/gaydictionary/a/slangdictionary.htm
    It’s an official Dictionary of Gay Slang, Terms and Words all of which apply to the Squealers Fan base/organization.
    With that said, I apologize if I offended you by using the word gay. Usually only gay individuals get worked up over that, which speaks volumes about yourself.
    Now if you will excuse me, I have to put down my blackberry so I can wipe my ass with this Terrible Towel.

  93. @ Flex20 says: March 8, 2010 9:23 AM
    At least someone in Pittsburgh likes females. Lets look at the facts:
    -Hines Wards flashes the biggest smile ever displayed on the football field whenever he gets tackled. He loves dudes jumping on top of him. Simply put, he loves the sausage!
    -Troy Polamalu has the most feminine voice/hair combo in the NFL. He is the spokes person for hair products… are you serious! The dude needs to retire so he can come out of the closet.
    -Then you have the sorry fans/stadium. If naming your field after a Ketchup bottle isn’t flaming enough, you are the only team in the NFL without cheerleaders.
    Go ahead and wave your little towels, while getting off w/ Ward and his dude on dude fantasy you flaming homos! While you’re at it, make sure to toss your leader, you know the only guy on your roster who actually loves women, who also helped lead you to 2 SB rings, under the bus before he is even proven guilty!
    Typical Steelers Nation Baby!!!!!
    ————————————————–
    In the closet much?
    You spend waaaaayy too much time fixating on the “sausage.”
    Freak.

  94. Frank Burns says:
    March 8, 2010 11:01 AM
    Here’s a quote off Deadspin for all you haters and geniuses, from a guy who — unlike you — was actually there that night. Take from it what you will:
    I did look up the Deadspin article you referred to, and the quote you mentioned is from a Facebook posting – not a particularly strong source of information . . . not to mention there really isn’t any way to confirm the Facebook poster is in fact a Bartender who served Ben . . . they person is claiming so . . . but no vetting process is mentioned in the entire article. Not to mention that the opening line and in several other parts of the article Deadspin states the Ben has been charged . . . which is just factually inaccurate. If you want to post a source, at least make sure the source is substantial.

  95. @ Flex20 says: March 8, 2010 1:42 PM
    Stihler fan:
    Actually 6 NFL teams don’t have cheerleaders:
    The ones you listed with exception of the NYJ.
    The simplest term that came to mind when thinking of Squealer Nation was gay. I googled other terms for gay and found this site:
    http://gaylife.about.com/od/gaydictionary/a/slangdictionary.htm
    It’s an official Dictionary of Gay Slang, Terms and Words all of which apply to the Squealers Fan base/organization.
    With that said, I apologize if I offended you by using the word gay. Usually only gay individuals get worked up over that, which speaks volumes about yourself.
    Now if you will excuse me, I have to put down my blackberry so I can wipe my ass with this Terrible Towel.
    —————————————————
    Once again flex, allow me to recommend counseling for the latent homosexual feelings you seem to be dealing with.

  96. Canyonero says:
    March 8, 2010 11:05 AM
    If she was too drunk to know what happened, she was too drunk to give CONSENT.
    Thus, probably, the rape allegation.
    Actually I have looked it up and rape laws are defined at the state level; Georgia does not have any statutory rape that is defined be intoxication . . . actually the Georgia rape laws have changed very little from the original adoption in 1861 . . . so the girls intoxication would not lead to a charge of rape in Georgia. Even if the girl was under 21 (it has been reported that she was 20), Ben would not even be guilty of supplying alcohol to someone underage, as she was in the bar and it is legally the bar’s responsability to verify her age.
    Let me go on record that if Ben did rape this girl, then he should be locked up and left for decades to rot in prison. Rape is an act of violence that a person really never fully recovers from. But from all indication, granted I wasn’t there and didn’t witness any of it, there doesn’t appear to be any real evidence that a rape and/or lesser sex crime took place. If it did, then heaven help Ben, because there will be an ultimate day of reckoning with the almight, and Ben can’t hire an expense lawyer to get him off. If no crime occurred and this girl is either emberassed by doing nasty stuff in a bathroom stall while she was drunk or chasing after $$$ . . . well then shame on her for being a really worthless person . . . and shame on Ben for putting himself in such a position.

  97. Why the hell is a 28 year old man hanging around college bars anyway? And who is dumb enough to put himself in the same type of situtation? Stupid is as stupid does….

  98. Who’s the football genius who posted this:
    ~”The Steelers with Dennis Dixon at QB still would be serious contenders.”~
    Of note:
    You actually have to “do” something before you can “STILL” do it. Last year the Steeelers didn’t contend for anything-
    Bears/Chiefs/Browns/Raiders

  99. @Josh Krauss …
    Your experience, huh? My, but we have a lot of experienced criminals on these threads. So only the guilty lawyer up? And only the guilty are accused? Why don’t you google the Innocence Project, Josh? Home page tells the story of an 18-year-old convicted of rape in 1982–cleared by DNA in 2002. And then there’s that Pittsburgh man who spent 19 years in prison before his wrongful rape conviction was overturned in 2005 … the Massachusetts man who served 10 years before his conviction was overturned … the 18-year-old who falsely accused four men at Hofstra University of rape last year because she was afraid her boyfriend would be mad at her.
    EXCELLENT advice for anyone accused of a crime you didn’t commit:
    DON’T SPEAK until an attorney says you can.
    Hire the best CRIMINAL attorney you can afford.
    As soon as you “lawyer up” fools like Josh–with their infinite experience–will decide you’re guilty. Better to have them think you’re guilty than to trust a flawed system and be convicted for something you did not do. Just look how many of you have already convicted Roethlisberger without even knowing the facts of the cast.
    Don’t trust the system to do right by you just because you’re innocent. It doesn’t work that way.
    I want to see sex offenders locked up for life. But first I want to make sure they’re GUILTY.

  100. Hahaha, relax a little Frank Burns, by your rationale you are making my point. You use Stallworth and Little as the examples, for your rebuttle, lol. I am not disagree in, my point those two, is it is over and done with (I dont know the details of Little, but I know Stallworth served his time, it doesnt matter if you agree with his sentence).
    But, to my broader point, you are in essence, admitting that the Brady thing was overblown and stupid, and Ray has atoned for his issue 9again, doesnt matter if you agree). With that point being made, Steelers fans still live to mention Lewis stabbed people, and Brady’s goons shoot at people, etc.
    When it is all said and done, whether a player is guilty, innocent, accused, vindicated, etc, it doesnt matter. The fans of the other teams are going to continue to joke about it, and continue to bring it up. Big Ben’s accusers could admit they made it up, etc, and people are always going to make rape comments.
    Why is it ok for you to make fun of players, coaches etc, from other teams, but when it gets turned around on you, you get upset about it, and start throwing out the term “ALLEGED”.
    WE KNOW IT IS SIMPLY AN ALLEGATION, BUT IT IS IN GOOD FUN TO GIVE HIM A HARD TIME, GET OVER IT, AND REMEMBER TO WIPE FRONT TO BACK…..

  101. Flex20 says: March 8, 2010 1:42 PM
    Stihler fan:
    Actually 6 NFL teams don’t have cheerleaders:
    The ones you listed with exception of the NYJ.
    The simplest term that came to mind when thinking of Squealer Nation was gay. I googled other terms for gay and found this site:
    http://gaylife.about.com/od/gaydictionary/a/slangdictionary.htm
    It’s an official Dictionary of Gay Slang, Terms and Words all of which apply to the Squealers Fan base/organization.
    With that said, I apologize if I offended you by using the word gay. Usually only gay individuals get worked up over that, which speaks volumes about yourself.
    Now if you will excuse me, I have to put down my blackberry so I can wipe my ass with this Terrible Towel.
    ———————————————
    Sounds like somebodies boyfriend doesn’t use the pull and pray method.

  102. Stihler fan, pffi63,& stnmmc:
    Typical Squealer Nation all the way! I point out the gay tendencies of the organization, and instead of disputing it, you guys try to turn the table and say I’m the fag. Same goes w/ the Rapistberger incident. As soon as Ben gets in hot water, Squealer nation starts screaming Ray Lewis. If the baby is ugly you call it ugly. Ray wasn’t found guilty for murder. Looks like Ben may be found guilty and on his way to a suspension and/or jail time b/c he can’t control himself.
    I can’t wait to watch Dennis Dixon and company “UNLEASH HELL” this yr!!! I’m done w/ this thread squealers.
    Now please excuse me while I go LenDale White on this Terrible Towel I just found.

  103. Flex20:
    Only one problem with your conspiracy theory… I’m not a Steelers fan – read my other posts.
    I just acknowledge idiots in denial when I see them.
    Have a nice day. 🙂

  104. @rr1121
    That is that worst string of lies I have ever seen in print. Not one accusation you made can be backed up. For instance, it was Sweeting who police had connected to a knife bought at WalMart, not Lewis. The supposed white suit was said to be in a laundry bag, not garbage bag, but regardless, police stopped Lewis that same night and interviewed him still wearing the suit — and it had blood on it because someone had busted Oakley’s head open with a bottle before they were able to get into the limo. It ws Oakley’s blood. I’d call you a complete moron, but that doesn’t do it justice. If I were Lewis I’d have attorneys pursuing a slander suit against you tomorrow morning.

  105. More sickness on display from haters who are willing to disparage Roethelsberger without any real evidence and an editor who is happy to print the hate. Disgusting. FLORIO they are calling him a rapist on YOUR SITE. Is this the type of site you want to have???? Seriously?

  106. Jamson64:
    Either grow a pair or go blog on NFL.com or ESPN.com if you can’t handle it…. Seriously…

  107. jamaltimore
    Stop bringing Ray Lewis comments up. He’s guilty of obstruction of justice nothing more. The other guys charged in the crime were let go with NO Charges. Remember Darrant Williams before any of you idiots starting casting doubt on Ray Lewis, a man who’s done nothing but good since his tragic experience in Atlanta.
    I suppose the guy slashed his own throat then based on your expert analysis.He got away with murder and wised up.Rapelisberger on the other hand must not be as smart as the murderer or he is just plain stupid to do it again while there is a civil suit pending for the SAME exact thing.Did the Irsays take all of you bird brain fans to Indy or what? Geez wake the F up you crab cake eating morons.Maybe Garland,Slasher,Juice and the Rapist are looking for the real killers…errrr…rapists or whatever the hell they are.

  108. Nick says:
    Everybody who isn’t an idiot knows Ray Lewis was innocent, especially when the murderer goes to jail for it….and writes a rap song about how he did it.
    Ray was guilty of not ratting out a friend, and clearly got off easy simply because he finally gave in.
    Check your facts there genius.NOBODY has ever been convicted for the Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar murders.3 people were charged and they all plead out to lesser charges.Would probably be wise to know what your talking about before you go making up some lame story you saw on CSI.That is why Ray the murderer gave money to SOME of the families because he knows he did it.If I knew was not guilty of murder I would not give anyone a penny.The same goes for Rapelisberger…why retain an attorney if you have not been charged with a crime…kinda of putting the horse before the wagon right? Same thing as Stallworth..he paid cause he was guilty and did a whopping 30 (almost) days in jail for taking a life.When are some of you idiots gonna wake up.Do you think that your non-famous asses would be getting off that easy if you have done what any of these assholes have?Guilty!!

  109. Looks like Ben’s innocent. After all, Ray Ray was able to get away with murder with this guy.

  110. Flex20, you’re trying too hard to fool everyone. It’s ok if you’re a homosexual, it’s perfectly natural.
    It’s so funny (and sad) how all the gay-haters always end up being the biggest closet cases. From now on if I here people talking shit about gay people, I just assume they are gay themselves, just too spineless to admit it.

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