Scout on Vick: "He can't throw"

There are $3.75 million reasons why I don’t believe the Eagles have any intention of keeping Michael Vick, no matter how many smart writers say it will happen.

And there is one big reason why I’m so confident: Vick is just a guy now.

Anyone that watched Vick play last season could see it, but Fox’s Alex Marvez smartly had a scout watch all of Vick’s snaps last year to report back.

He can’t throw,” the scout told Marvez. “A guy could be open 20 yards
downfield and he’ll throw it 25. He never could throw, but he was fast
before. It’s not like he’s slow now but he doesn’t stick out like, ‘Wow,
this guy is faster than everybody.'”

Another top NFL personnel director fully agreed with the assessment Vick is no longer special.  The eye in the sky don’t lie.

Vick has two former bosses that need quarterbacks: Rams G.M. Billy Devaney and Browns G.M. Tom Heckert. Neither have touched Vick. Heckert knows everything about Vick’s stay in Philly, and the Browns appear to want no part of him.

That sends a strong message to the rest of the league.

The Eagles are still trying to salvage Vick’s trade value, as they should.  But surely they realize paying Vick starter money to be a backup or a third quarterback is throwing good money after bad. 

Philadelphia should take what they can for Vick, like a bag of footballs, and move on.

153 responses to “Scout on Vick: "He can't throw"

  1. This headline is about as shocking as the one about Jamarcus Russell not attending his teams voluntary workouts.

  2. he sure had a nice throw in the last game of the regular season against the Cowboys and he also had a nice throw when the Eagles played Atlanta
    u guys are still mad about the whole dog thing
    its ok one day u’ll get over it

  3. yeah, the window of opportunity only lasts so long if you arent a classic drop back passer…..and he seems hesitant in a “wildcat”, the Vick of old could rip off a 50 yd run…..St Louis passing is big red flag…but its still stupid of them not to consider him anyway…who the hell else is on that roster? I mean Vick is better than anyone on the roster or anyone they’d draft.
    Its a P.R. nightmare, since Boss Limbaugh is very strong in the St. Louis market and Vick coming to St Louis would be the “See, I told you the NFL has gang banger” smack that Limbaugh would crap out…

  4. Like we have known for years, he has a cannon but no accuracy. Dude may get one more shot and then will vanish like Pacman.

  5. Those scouts must be working for the Rams or Lions. Any objective person will tell you that Vick has one of the prettiest releases in the NFL, and probably top 5 in terms of arm strength. Every ball is a spiral, and his release is very fast. His accuracy is spotty, but saying, “he can’t throw” is just dumb. He probably has one of the best mechanics in football–and he’s a lefty.
    He has a top 10 arm IMHO. What he lacks is patience and decision making – not an arm.

  6. i didnt know payin a guy 3.5 mil was “starter money” their are back ups that make as much if not more than that. the eagles made a risk-less choice when they signed vick. even if he isnt a starter he is a hell of a back-up.n last i recall the eagles traded A.J. feeley to the dolhpins for a 2nd round pick a few years ago. n if A.J. Feeley is worth a 2 what is Vick worth? haha. jus a thought

  7. @ Warrenmoon
    I agree with you, that throw for the TD against Dallas was great but one great throw out of hundreds of terrible throws does not make you a good QB. He will always be scum of the earth because of his murderous and interstate gambling activities, but he was never and will never be able to throw a football accurately.
    It’s ok, one day you’ll get over it

  8. This shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that saw him play. He needs to make a position change or he really has no place on a team. he’s a weak #2 at best and those are usually reserved for more dependable players or young promising player. He’s neither, as a quarterback.

  9. Yeah, ummm… exactly what snaps did they watch? The snaps where the Eagles called a play that was a run? Or the snaps where they lined him up as a wide receiver and he was supposedly a “decoy.”
    If Kyle Orton, Matt Leinart, Mark Bulger, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, Jake Delhomme, Jason Campbell, Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Trent Edwards, and Jemarcus Russell are still in the NFL and can supposedly “throw” then Vick can definitely play in the NFL and can throw just fine.
    He killed dogs, in very sick ways. He went to jail. Now he’s back in the NFL. He even threw a TD last season in VERY limited opportunities.
    The end.

  10. Don’t say words you’re gonna regret
    Don’t let the fire rush to your head
    I’ve heard the accusation before
    And I ain’t gonna take any more
    Believe me
    The sun in your Eyes
    Made some of the lies worth believing
    Chorus:
    I am the eye in the sky
    Looking at you
    I can read your mind
    I am the maker of rules
    Dealing with fools
    I can cheat you blind
    And I don’t need to see any more
    To know that
    I can read your mind, I can read your mind

  11. At the combine, when Ed Reed took part in QB drills and was more accurate than Vick, that should’ve been a huge RED FLAG for teams.
    Time and again, the NFL makes the following mistakes:
    * Thinking a number 2 receiver can be a number 1 (Exhibit A, the inapproriately named Peerless Price).
    * Believing the QB position can be revolutionized.
    * Coordinators thinking success is a result of their system and not the players.

  12. I think it’s unfair to judge a player based on such few attempts. He was used very little and even the top name QB’s have to warm up and get the nerves off a bit before they start throwing laser beams. I would like to see a team let him come in and take the starter reps and see what he really has.
    Remember that scouts also let Brady go in the third round, there like weather men; they always have opinions but not always correct.

  13. Frankly, the only thing you can take away from last year was that he was used in a very limited role. He basically ran mostly only one play, the inside option, where he could give the hand off, or take it himself. It didn’t look like throwing was ever a part of that play until in the Atlanta game. It worked on many third down conversions, and then he did have the two late touchdown passes (the one against Dallas a direct result of running that inside option so much on the season). So honestly, he didn’t play poorly, nor did he do enough to say he played great. There really is not that much one can take away from his season, but certainly you can’t say he was horrible.

  14. GOAT,
    I am assuming you are about to play the race card AGAIN.. Save us the headache and realize that Vick even at his best was an average passer. You cannot make an argument that he has improved in the last 3 years so dont blame Rosenthal and Alvarez for stating the obvious… Brady Quinn cant throw either thats why he got traded for a fulback.

  15. You guys just keep hating and hating and hating on Vick! What is this! You want to try and bury the man? Who in the hell is Alex Marvez anyway? He watched Vick throw after being out of the league for 2 years – WOW!! So who was that that threw the 2 touchdowns against the Falcons and threw the ONLY touchdown against the Cowboys in the playoffs!? The Eagles receivers said he can throw just fine so who in the hell is Alex Marvez!? Please stop it! Come on man I’m tired of you guys trying to bury Vick before he even gets a chance to prove himself.
    HATERS!

  16. WarrenMoonGOAT says:
    he sure had (((((A))))) nice throw in the last game of the regular season against the Cowboys and he also had (((((A))))) nice throw when the Eagles played Atlanta.
    That sounds about right. 1 per game. Even when he was a starter he had (((((A))))) good throw once in a blue moon.

  17. The sad thing is that his physical abilities(speed/arm) along with his lack of accuracy, far exceed his processing of a defense. He’s always been an LD Learning disabled when it comes to learning an offense, reading a defense and obviously an overall lack of commonsense.
    He’s a gump. He’s a dumb ass and those things will never change.

  18. Totally agree. He lost his Deion like speed and quickness during his hiatus and became ordinary in the process. Otherwise, he is a 5′ 9″ (and that’s being generous) QB who was never terribly accurate to begin with. Therefore, game over.
    It’s one of the biggest wastes of ability ever to come into the league. He could have truly been something special had he applied himself, and you know, passed up that dog fighting ring that got him jail time in the prime of his career.

  19. Fans have been saying this ever since the hype started. But no, the “experts” told us they were smart and to let them tell us who’s good. It’s been clear from the start and soon only the true ghetto kids who can’t afford tickets to games (or even tv’s unless they’ve been stolen) will support him.
    I’d bet he’ll be homeless within five years.

  20. Yeah, guy slams a dog head into a tree to kill it and we should get over it.
    This article isn’t about “the whole dog thing”. It’s about the being an NFL Quarterback thing. And preferably and consistent one. And a scout that watched him throw more than twice says he can’t.
    Maybe Vick ought to look at playing at another position where he can use what he still has. Speed.
    But hey, if you want him to QB for your team, just come out and say so. Looks like you’ll be in a small group.

  21. Does anyone even realize that Vick was terrible even in the Pinnacle of his career. What has he ever done besides winning one measly playoff game. You could put Antrel Rolle back at QB and have exactly what you have in Mike Vick. Send everyone deep and run for 5-25 yards.

  22. cant throw? that didnt stop him from throwing a 76 yard TD to Maclin in the playoffs. Or a 35 yarder to DeSean Jackson in stride against the Giants (2nd game). I’ll admit compared to reg QBs he doesnt compare accuracy wise, but to say he cant throw is just stupid. This so called “SCOUT” doesnt know what he is talking about!!!!
    Stupid people pretending they know football is funny…lol

  23. None of this can come as any surprise. It was probably worth taking a flyer on him before last season at $1.6 million, just in case he was still the fastest guy on the field. It’s clear now that he isn’t, and they should just accept that the gamble didn’t pay off and get what they can for him. Their efforts to pump up his trade value aren’t fooling anyone.

  24. Saying Vick can’t throw is like saying the writers on this website can’t originate their own articles 🙂
    If Vick is only worth a bag of footballs, then you guys are not worth a bag of computer mouse pads 🙂
    You guys couldn’t even get an interview with ESPN – Now that’s just plain sad!
    Even if he could not throw, he will still remain in the Eagles record book as completing the longest pass in Eagles playoff history 🙂

  25. WarrenMoon:
    You’re doing better than (Drew) Rosenhose ever could; your hired! The throw against Dallas…LOL…The defender fell down. I’m assuming you meant that throw since it did go for a TD. And it was the wild card game not the regular season. Got nothing to do with his doggy capers; he’s just not that good anymore….

  26. You have to be given the opportunity to throw before you can be declared unable to throw. I do know that those “old slow” legs allowed him to scramble away from Dallas long enough to throw a bomb for a TD. But hey if we are going to look at the few opportunities he had (by the way there certainly is an argument to be made that his on and off the field crap didn’t let him establish a rhythm) lets look at the numbers:
    Passer Rating: 93.7 (only bested by Brees, Farve, Rivers, Rodgers, Rapistberger, Manning, Schaub, Romo, Brady and Warner) ALL TOP QBS in this league. BELOW HIM were- Eli Manning, McNabb, Flacco, Orton, Capmbell, Palmer, VY, Matt Ryan, Jay Culter, Hasselbeck…. so does that mean they can’t throw either???
    Report the story and don’t make up headlines to get clicks.

  27. If it were just about patience, you’d think a scout would be able to spot that. Folks are not banging down the door to get to him. And this league makes exceptions for players with talent. Rape, murder, drugs, spousal abuse, assault, weapons.
    …just saying.

  28. a ‘source’ from one of the teams thats trying to lowball the eagles for Vick says he can’t throw..
    How many No.1 overall picks couldn’t throw?? some of those guys flamed out but they could throw

  29. Well yeah Husky, but the side of the NFL road is littered with qb’s with rocket arms and zero accuracy. Most scouts will tell you the number 1 thing they look for in a qb is accuracy, and he just doesn’t have it. He probably throws the prettiest ball in the league, he just has no idea where its going.

  30. *QUE BLUE EYED DEVILS* saying its a conspiracy because he’s an african american…

  31. Heath Shuler and Chris Leak always threw spirals.
    Marino and Peyton throw a bit of wobbly ball at times and they are the best two to ever play the game.
    Vick has a strong arm, but lacks accuracy.
    It’s like Ray Charles with an AK-47. He will hit something eventually.

  32. 3.75$ mil is #2 QB money these days…
    I think Vick is trash, but in fairness—not many passing plays were dialed up for him this past season…it would be stupid to judge him on a 1-2 outing where he ran a gimmick fake option pass.

  33. huskylawyer says:
    March 15, 2010 6:07 PM
    Those scouts must be working for the Rams or Lions. Any objective person will tell you that Vick has one of the prettiest releases in the NFL, and probably top 5 in terms of arm strength. Every ball is a spiral, and his release is very fast. His accuracy is spotty, but saying, “he can’t throw” is just dumb. He probably has one of the best mechanics in football–and he’s a lefty.
    He has a top 10 arm IMHO. What he lacks is patience and decision making – not an arm.
    ————————–
    Arm strength? Yes. Accuracy? Hell no.
    Arm strength doesn’t win games. Jared Lorenzen could throw a ball a country mile. What’s he doing now? Probably bagging groceries somewhere.

  34. It’s ignorant to compare his QB rating to the players that played the whole season or nearly the whole season.
    Compare his full book of work and he’s mediocre at best or if he was judged as his dogs were, he’d been hung, beaten or electrocuted years ago. Not a bad idea.

  35. BlueEyeDevils says:
    March 15, 2010 6:24 PM
    Saying Vick can’t throw is like saying the writers on this website can’t originate their own articles 🙂
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    I agree with this completely. I’m glad you’ve finally come around.

  36. 1. If Vick was as bad as the haters here are saying, then Philly never would have picked up his option. And nobody, I mean nobody, will offer the Eagles anything for the guy.
    2. If Vick is as good as some of the fanboys here are saying, then Philly is literally going to have to slog through dozens of trade offers from nearly every team in the league and will be able to take their pick from multiple, lucrative trade offers.
    I highly suspect the truth of the matter is somewhere between #1 and #2. Probably closer to #1, but we’ll see. Clearly so far, there haven’t exactly been a lot of teams (or, um, any teams) clamoring to make lucrative trade offers to the Eagles to get Vick. Maybe that will change. I kinda doubt it. What I more suspect is some team will get a QB hurt in the preseason and then send the Eagles a 6th round draft pick or something like that, and both teams will shake hands and call it a day.

  37. “he sure had a nice throw in the last game of the regular season against the Cowboys”
    Actually it was in the playoffs. Vick didn’t attempt any passes in the 24-0 ass-whipping but he did have a TD pass in the 34-14 playoff ass-whipping. That particular pass was late because Jenkins had stumbled and had almost caught back up to Maclin by the time the ball got there

  38. Wow this is a no duh kind of story. Vick was still fast in a limited role but the Eagles tried to build him up as more of a QB to increase the trade market for him. Everyone knew he couldn’t throw. But the Eagles are trying hard to change that so that they can get a good enough trade package

  39. Red meat for the Eagles/Vick haters. Come and get it!
    Vick couldn’t throw when he took the Falcons to the NFC Championship Game, either. Of course, Giants and Cowboys fans could have cared less at that point and probably still thought he was a decent QB.

  40. Get over it, Vick is back and coming back and it just scares and intimidates people that he is back. He through an amazing touchdown pass to Jeremy Maclin in the NFC Wildcard Game, a throw that McNabb couldn’t make. I think the Eagles should keep Vick and trade McNabb.

  41. downwithdansnyder says:
    March 15, 2010 6:10 PM
    This shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that saw him play. He needs to make a position change or he really has no place on a team. he’s a weak #2 at best and those are usually reserved for more dependable players or young promising player. He’s neither, as a quarterback.
    —————————————–
    Vick has a higher winning percentage than:
    – Jay Cutler
    – Aaron Rodgers
    – Jake Delhomme
    – Derek Anderson
    – Brady Quinn
    etc…………..
    So what positions should they switch to?
    Give it a rest…………………..
    “The Black Quarterback”….. The future of the NFL……………..
    Ha ha ha

  42. Eagles4life says:
    March 15, 2010 6:26 PM
    You have to be given the opportunity to throw before you can be declared unable to throw. I do know that those “old slow” legs allowed him to scramble away from Dallas long enough to throw a bomb for a TD. But hey if we are going to look at the few opportunities he had (by the way there certainly is an argument to be made that his on and off the field crap didn’t let him establish a rhythm) lets look at the numbers:
    ————————–
    Vick has had 1,743 opportunities to throw. He’s unable.

  43. Eagles4Life – did you watch the games where Vick tried to throw? He couldn’t do it. Your stats on passer rating are irrelevent – what is relevent is that Vick could not deliver the ball with any kind of consistent success; it has plagued him throughout his career. His mechanics and his instincts are not there; he wants to run first and run only; with throwing the ball he has to think too much.

  44. “How many downfield throws did he even take?”
    He was 2 of 6 on passes of 11 yards or more. 4 of 10 on passes that went any distance beyond the line of scrimmage. 2 of 3 on screens though.

  45. “Even if he could not throw, he will still remain in the Eagles record book as completing the longest pass in Eagles playoff history”
    Which is sorta like being the liveliest dog at Bad Newz Kennels.

  46. I wish you clowns would get over the dogfighting crap, it’s over and done with. You guys bash Vick all you want but then you approve of Big Ben raping chicks twice and then give you want to give Big Ben a pass because he won two super bowls, child please.

  47. “It worked on many third down conversions, and then he did have the two late touchdown passes (the one against Dallas a direct result of running that inside option so much on the season).”
    You misspelled “a direct result of Jenkins stumbling on the play”.

  48. I’ve never been one of his biggest supporters but to say anything negative about his performance last year isn’t really from watching him. He played well in limited action, that’s it. He didn’t do anything very bad, and not a lot great but a few things very good.
    Debate over.

  49. NoKoolaidCowboy says:
    March 15, 2010 6:20 PM
    Yeah, guy slams a dog head into a tree to kill it and we should get over it.
    This article isn’t about “the whole dog thing”. It’s about the being an NFL Quarterback thing. And preferably and consistent one. And a scout that watched him throw more than twice says he can’t.
    Maybe Vick ought to look at playing at another position where he can use what he still has. Speed.
    But hey, if you want him to QB for your team, just come out and say so. Looks like you’ll be in a small group.
    ————————————–
    What time can I put you down for the protest vs the Quarterback that rapes white women for a hobby?
    You do condemn human cruelty more than dogs – right? Or is it just a black hate thing?
    I think I know the answer to both questions.

  50. @ blueyeddevil
    I dont think he mentioned one thing about race. Seems like the racism and hate are coming from you and Warren only. You do realize that it is racist to support Vick only because of the color of his skin right? Yes other races besides white people can be racist.

  51. All things considered it’s probably best if Vick stays put. The money shouldn’t be an issue this year since it’s UNCAPPED. You can pay the waterboy a million point two if you felt like it this year. None of it counts. Doesn’t matter. (If the owners don’t like it, get a deal signed already!)
    Back to original point. Sticking around Reid and Philly would be his chance (his last and final chance) to show he is more than an occasional long bomb. Vick supporters sorry to say being a QB is about the 100 or so small things Vick does horribly not the 1 or 2 things he can do exceptionally well.

  52. @Eagles4Life
    Would you care to look at all the stats or just focus on the passer rating? For the year, Vick was 7-15 for 162 yards and 2 TDs. Less than 50%. WOW. Get the bust ready in Canton right now. He may have had a good QB rating last year, but for his career, he’s about 75.9. BTW, that one year QB rating that you’re so pysched up about is below Romo’s career rating. Never over 3,000 yards and a high water mark of 56.4% for accuracy. Then throw in the loss of speed and it’s no wonder that the Philly phone is silent as far as interest in Vick goes.
    @huskylawyer
    What does arm strength count for? Is there anyone in the NFL with better arm strength than JaMarcus Russell? I don’t think so. Was there a worse starting QB in the league last year? Maybe Derek Anderson (who has a pretty strong arm himself). Jeff George probably still has a top 10 arm and is available if you’re interested. It does you very little good to be able to throw the ball from here to Waco when you have no idea if it will end up in East Waco or West Waco.

  53. Idiots who think he can still make it as a QB, how about you signing him to start on your team? Come on, put your money where your mouth is or shut up! He was never that good, the Eagles blew it when they signed him in the first place, now they’re trying to salvage something for their mistake. Oh, it was such a ‘feel-good’ story the media loved, oh redemption is possible! Lord, the guy sucked, still sucks, will always suck. That’s ok, you’ll get over it.

  54. .VoxVeritas says:
    March 15, 2010 6:54 PM
    You misspelled “a direct result of Jenkins stumbling on the play”.
    ————————————
    One of the funniest thing’s I’ve read on here!!! Great job!

  55. o0OMorrisO0o says:
    March 15, 2010 6:22 PM
    “Stupid people pretending they know football is funny…lol”
    Morris…… YOU’re funny!!!

  56. Inmotion dont cry. Good lord man. Sack up and YOU get over it. What this p o s did was unbelievable. He is not a good qp he is third string at best and might see the field on some gimmick plays. That is what he is.

  57. eagles are gonna keep vick and use him a lot. he got better each and every game last season.
    Vick+DeSean+ Maclin+Weaver+Celek+McCoy =UNSTOPPABLE

  58. Just haters.
    Vick didnt have his speed in the first 8 weeks of the season but every week that went bye he got faster and faster. Towards the end of the season he was almost back to where he use to be.
    Yes of course hes not going to be as fast as he was when he was 22 but no one is. The thing is even though hes not as fast as he once was he’s still faster then most in the league. The only people who are really faster then him right now are on offense anyway so that doesnt matter.
    He still has the arm strength and can launch the ball down the field. Also his accuracy and awareness got better throughout the season. These scouts are watching him throw the ball once then come out of the game. When he had a chance in practice and during 1 game to play multiple downs in a row he was just as accurate as most starting qbs.
    1 other thing about his running. What he did in philly and what he did in Atlanta are totally different. In Atlanta he was a qb who used his legs to his advantage. In philly he was used as a runner who could throw. Teams were playing the run almost every time he came into the game. That wont happen if hes an every down qb. He would be handing the ball off and throwing it most of the time. So when he does decide to pull the ball down and run it will be more of a suprise which would lead to open fields.
    Thats what happened when he was in Atlanta. It wasnt that he was faster there then in Philly. Its that he was an actual qb so defense played him differently. I just dont see how scouts and these tv analysts dont realize that.
    I dont care if the Eagles even get a 7th round pick for him. I just want him to get a chance to go out and be a starter for some other team. That way everyone can stop guessing what he can do and he can just go out and do it.
    Vick is still better then 50% of the starting qbs in the NFL.
    You cannot honestly name 20 starting qbs who are better then him.

  59. BlueEyeDevils says:
    March 15, 2010 6:57 PM
    What time can I put you down for the protest vs the Quarterback that rapes white women for a hobby?
    You do condemn human cruelty more than dogs – right? Or is it just a black hate thing?
    I think I know the answer to both questions.
    —————————————————-
    No, you don’t, lol. Simply because my statement does not indicate my thoughts on the raping of white women or if it’s just a black hate thing. You have no idea what color I am.
    I you like Micael Vick, then it’s cool, right? But if you believe that he is average and all hype, then you hate black people, support the raping of white women and blah, blah, blah…
    Would be funny if I didn’t think you were serious.
    Come on, stick to the topic. Some guys are actually really making a good case for Vick not getting enough snaps to warrant whether he can throw.
    But to that I’d say that if the Eagles thought they saw lightening in a bottle during practice, he could have had more snaps.

  60. BlueEyeDevils says:
    March 15, 2010 6:57 PM
    You do condemn human cruelty more than dogs – right? Or is it just a black hate thing?
    BlueEyeDevils,
    If Vick was as consistent as you, he’d be All Pro, you racist prick!!!

  61. Hey do you guys realize that Mike Vick is the most popular subject on PFT? Wow all this attention for a so called washed up, no good, dog killing, thug type over rated …… and whatever else you haters want to call him

  62. VoxVeritas says:
    March 15, 2010 6:51 PM
    “Even if he could not throw, he will still remain in the Eagles record book as completing the longest pass in Eagles playoff history”
    Which is sorta like being the liveliest dog at Bad Newz Kennels.
    ——————————————
    Or like the only white woman raped by that Ghetto Thug Big Ben that went to the hospital and followed proper protocol.

  63. # vbhall78 says: March 15, 2010 6:53 PM
    I wish you clowns would get over the dogfighting crap, it’s over and done with. You guys bash Vick all you want but then you approve of Big Ben raping chicks twice and then give you want to give Big Ben a pass because he won two super bowls, child please.
    ——————————————————————
    You must be new to this site if you think people are giving Ben a pass. People are tearing him apart, and he hasn’t even been charged with anything. Vick was convicted, and that has nothing to do with how he plays football. He couldn’t throw before he went to jail, and he can’t throw now.

  64. Route36West says:
    So what did you have to use to get the taste of Vick’s sack out of your mouth?

  65. “Vick+DeSean+ Maclin+Weaver+Celek+McCoy =UNSTOPPABLE”
    Except for 20-16, 24-0 and 34-14.

  66. bonecity7 says:
    March 15, 2010 7:33 PM
    BlueEyeDevils says:
    March 15, 2010 6:57 PM
    You do condemn human cruelty more than dogs – right? Or is it just a black hate thing?
    BlueEyeDevils,
    If Vick was as consistent as you, he’d be All Pro, you racist prick!!!
    ——————————
    Did your sister put you up to this? 🙂

  67. Here is a little humor:
    What do you call a guy that rapes two white women and serves no jail time?
    Answer: White!

  68. Are these the same unnamed sources that said Goodell was gonna suspend Vick for a season, then said no team would sign him so he would sign with the UFL, then said he was the 3rd string QB but every game he was active, he was listed on game day as the 2nd string QB, then said the Eagles would cut him because no way they would pay the roster bonus? Are these the same unnamed sources?
    LMAO!! Go head haters, go ahead and agree so you can get your faces cracked for the 10th time since Goodell met with Vick back in July while the same sources were claiming he would meet with Vick the next week. LOL

  69. I guess we’ll have to lower our asking price.
    How does only four 1st rounders sound?
    Anyone?
    No plan.

  70. No-one is trying to defend Rapistpervert in the slightest, but would you still like Vick if he screwed his dogs instead of killed them?

  71. Can’t throw?!?! I’m glad you’re here to tell us these things…Chewy, plug Mr. Scout into the hyperdrive!

  72. I guess we’ll have to lower our asking price.
    How does only four 1st rounders sound?
    Anyone?
    No plan.

  73. LOL…Eagles lose again! Serves them right for picking him up in the first place…he doesnt deserve to play in the NFL…

  74. Vick has never been able to throw. He can still run and is still a better option at QB than 50% of the other starting QB’s in the league

  75. “Vick couldn’t throw when he took the Falcons to the NFC Championship Game, either. Of course, Giants and Cowboys fans could have cared less at that point and probably still thought he was a decent QB.”
    No, I can honestly say that I’ve never thought of Michael Vick as a decent QB even though he had 218 combined passing yards in two playoff games after the 2004 season. Trent Dilfer won a freaking Super Bowl and I’ve never thought of him as a decent QB, either. Most people wouldn’t.

  76. I think nike should re-do that Michael Vick experience ride commercial they used to have. It would be a lot bumpier now, with more twists and turns, and just when you think it’s over . . . you get that last big plunge to the bottom, and soak all those MORONS standing on the bridge watching.

  77. “Or like the only white woman raped by that Ghetto Thug Big Ben that went to the hospital and followed proper protocol.”
    I didn’t know that there was a proper “protocol” for rape. Must be a race thing.

  78. @ blueye
    We all get it. You are anonymously spewing anti white hate talk. We understand you don’t like white people and that you blame white people for all of your and every other minorities problems. There is nothing we can do to change your mind and to be honest none of us would care to try. Just move on, take your hate and your venom elsewhere.

  79. These scouts are retards. Jamarcus Russell? Delhomme? Hasselsuck? Garrard? Alex Smith? and on and on I could go. Those guys are not better than Vick. Can’t throw, that scout is a total jacka**.

  80. I wish Ben Rothlisberger would rape BlueEyeDevils, leaving him “unworthy for anything else” so Michael Vick could drown him in a bucket of water with jumper cables attached for added flair.
    The PFT postings would be such a better place.

  81. “then said no team would sign him so he would sign with the UFL”
    Well that was the “conventional wisdom”, but everybody forgot that the 0-3gles are still run by idiots. I mean obviously, they tied up a roster spot for this bum because they thought they could get some top draft choices out of him this year? Too bad, maybe the guy they cut to fit Vick in could have contributed more than 181 yards of offense. Danny Amendola caught 43 passes last season and had over 2,300 all-purpose yards.
    Still can’t believe that they gave Vick a contract without even working him out first. Talk about “buying a pig in a poke”.

  82. Hey blood shot eyed crack head…..
    Vick doesn’t have a higher winning % than Delhomme and the point is silly considering Vick is credited with winning his first start, when his inept ass was benched and the back up led the falcons to victory in his first start and first “win”.
    Just because your racist ass says it, doesn’t make it a fact.
    Jake 54 38 1 0.580
    Vick 38 28 1 0.567

  83. BlueEyeDevils
    Here’s some more humor:
    What do you call a guy who murders his white ex wife and another white man, and instead of spending jail time, spends years on the golf course hunting for the real killer?

  84. BlueEyeDevils, why do you have to scream racist comments at everybody? Why can’t you just stop complaining and be thankful for all that you have in this great country?
    Better yet, why don’t you get a hobby, or a job…
    Michael Vick was all hype from the get-go. You can’t even compare him to Kordell Stewart…Kordell could throw AND run, and those were the scouts’ hopes when he came out of college.
    Vick never spent any time practicing on his accuracy…he just didn’t have the work ethic…thought his speed would always be there, and just hoped his accuracy would improve over time…well, it didn’t, so deal with it. Vick is a washed up ‘never been’ and I’m sorry if that hurts your wittle feewings.

  85. BlueEyeDevils says:
    March 15, 2010 7:53 PM
    Here is a little humor:
    What do you call a guy that rapes two white women and serves no jail time?
    Answer: White!
    —————————————
    Ok, fair enough. Here’s one:
    What do you call someone who wakes up in the morning and says “Today I am going to fight some dogs against each other. Then if they don’t win for me I am going to kill them. But, I am not going to just kill them…I am going to hang them from trees. Some of them I might electrocute. And the rest I will just hold under water until they drowned to death. And then me and my buddies will make wagers and bet on exactly how long they can hold their breath under water until they die. This is gonna be fun.”???
    Answer: A physcho who is just a flat out bad human being who does not deserve any of our support.
    …And neither does Ben if the allegations are true.

  86. How many downfield throws did he even take?
    The one in Dallas looked pretty good.
    ————
    10 yard throw, 70 something yard run.

  87. @ SterilizeTHenry
    I believe the term you are looking for is sociopath. But a good one none the less.

  88. Last I checked those sucky QB’s never killed dogs and ran a gambling ring centered on a blood sport.
    Look, I think Vick should have gotten a second chance if there was one to be had – he served his time and this is America.
    But you had to know that most teams would never be interested unless Vick went bananas and became a better QB than ever. Highly unlikely, and he remains a middling QB on his best day.
    Then, you would have had to feature him to boost his trade value, which the Eagles – to their credit – did not do. His role on the team was minimal. So that drops his appeal.
    Then, lastly, you’d need to model the desired compensation based on Vick’s actual value – not the one you you wish it would be. Insisting on a 2nd is silly.
    This was a total disaster for the Eagles.

  89. Vox veritas makes a good point, he only threw ten passes last year. Too hard to judge based on that.
    And like vox said, he smoked that dude Jenkins so hard in the cowboy game the Guy was falling all over himself he bit so hard on the fake.

  90. ammended:
    (2nd year back Vick who has his legs/speed)+DeSean+ Maclin+Weaver+Celek+McCoy =UNSTOPPABLE)

  91. Route36West:
    “Vick is still better then 50% of the starting qbs in the NFL.
    You cannot honestly name 20 starting qbs who are better then him.”
    Vick (75.9)
    Player (Career QB Rating):
    Drew Brees (91.9)
    Peyton Manning (95.2)
    Tom Brady (93.2)
    Brett Favre (86.6)
    Philip Rivers (95.8)
    Aaron Rodgers (97.2)
    Ben Roethlisberger (91.7)
    Matt Schaub (91.3)
    Matt Moore (84.5)
    Tony Romo (95.6)
    Eli Manning (79.2)
    Donovan McNabb (86.5)
    Joe Flacco (84.9)
    Carson Palmer (87.9)
    Matt Ryan (84.3)
    Jay Cutler (83.8)
    Chad Pennington (90.1)
    Matt Hasselbeck (83.3) washed up but better
    Jake Delhomme (82.1) washed up but better
    Mark Bulger (84.4) washed up but better
    Kyle Orton (76.9)
    Jason Campbell (82.3)
    Tarvaris Jackson (77.9) back-up? but better
    I would also rather have Alex Smith, Kevin Kolb, David Carr, Matthew Stafford and Shaun Hill.
    That was 28. I am not all that sure about Sanchez or Lienart.
    I don’t think Vick is the worst “QB” in the NFL so long as JaMarcus Russell is still in the league, but it is close, and think Vick may be able to beat out the QB in KC, but his QB rating is 79.6.

  92. The Eagles should send him to Iran, he’s the only guy on the planet who could over Ahmadinejad.

  93. All this back and forth and not one mention of Florio’s hair?? You guys are going soft.

  94. Vick nothing special?! You mean after he’s been out of football for a couple of years and only played sparingly last season, he isn’t in top form?
    These guys have a firm grasp of the obvious! Just as obvious is that with more playing time and some coaching, since he never paid attention in meetings while at Atlanta, he will be better. Perhaps, his best days are still ahead for him?
    GO STEELERS!

  95. the only way the Jew owners will part with Vic is via a player for player trade. They are too frugal to dump 1.5m for a late round draft pick.
    + the up side to keepin Vick is that after he serves the season & becomes a free agent,. we get a compensatory draft pick when he signs. / SO why would they rush that. I MEAN if someone comes up with a high 3rd or somewhere in the 2nd I feel they would bite. . almost no shot at happening.
    I hope they’re smart about bell. a young strong runner. we need smashmouth, we need a gerhart or any 230+ beast that will truck anyone wearing blue. . I’d like Blount to be here // only if his contract said he needed to puch a giants player in every meeting.

  96. This is a Florio inspired article if not written wholly by him. He had Rosenthal do it, but this has classic Florio written all over it.
    So ONE scout (again that’s ONE scout) says he can’t throw.
    If all scouts agreed on talent, they wouldn’t be needed. You could just have this one genius scout right?
    Absolute PFT BS once again.
    But what more would you expect? Usually better than this from Rosenthal.
    Don’t go Florio on us Gregg. Please. You’re better than that.

  97. Vick never was a great QB in the traditional sense and he never will be. What he was and could be again is a playmaker and matchup nightmare. If the Eagles lowered their price tag and took a conditional pick he could do some good things for teams like the Rams or Bills who need a QB and playmakers.

  98. So 3.5 million is starter money. Just saved Bill Polian a stack of time and money when renegotiating Peyton Mannings next contract. He should get 5mill a season max by that theory. Then again, Delholme, 7 mill, backup.

  99. “And like vox said, he smoked that dude Jenkins so hard in the cowboy game the Guy was falling all over himself he bit so hard on the fake.”
    I agree, shoulda kept Vick in and benched McNabb, who was completely ineffective in three starts against the Cowboys.

  100. Route36West says:
    March 15, 2010 7:32 PM
    You cannot honestly name 20 starting qbs who are better then him.
    ————————-
    Bullshit. Some teams have 2-3 guys better. You can’t name 5 starters worse than him. And Raiders QBs don’t count.

  101. famucancer says:
    March 15, 2010 7:55 PM
    Are these the same unnamed sources that said Goodell was gonna suspend Vick for a season, then said no team would sign him so he would sign with the UFL, then said he was the 3rd string QB but every game he was active, he was listed on game day as the 2nd string QB, then said the Eagles would cut him because no way they would pay the roster bonus? Are these the same unnamed sources?
    LMAO!! Go head haters, go ahead and agree so you can get your faces cracked for the 10th time since Goodell met with Vick back in July while the same sources were claiming he would meet with Vick the next week. LOL
    ——————————
    Wow, you really got us there. Vick came back and took the NFL by storm. His “skills” haven’t diminished at all. It’s amazing Philly’s been able to keep all those trade rumors quiet. You were so right. You and your BlueEyed black panther brother.

  102. Vick should get some AIDS to go with his Herpes. All you dog haters out there can do the same.

  103. @ every black person that sticks up for Vick,
    Sure he’s got a strong arm. But so does Jamarcus Russel, and how well is that claim to fame working for him? Just another example of one that has no critical thinking or processing skills in their brains. Just too stupid to be NFL quarterbacks.

  104. Say what you want about Vick, but the man has made over 3 million dollars in the last 18 months. How many years of college did you complete or will you have to complete in order to make that kind of money? and how many YEARS will it take any of you to make $3 mill? 99% of the posters here will never make 10% of that in their lifetime. I’m not a Vick fan but to insult a man that makes more in 12 months than you make in 30 years is just crazy. And please don’t act like You, Me and every man in America is judged by how much money we have/make. That’s how it is and always will be. Ask your wives or girlfriends if they would rather you have the ability to throw a football, or bring home millions of dollars before your 30th birthday? So for everyone calling Vick or Big Ben or any other pro athlete a loser, go look at your W-2 form and ask yourself who’s had a more successful life.

  105. EaglesFreak89 says: March 15, 2010 6:46 PM
    Get over it, Vick is back and coming back and it just scares and intimidates people that he is back. He through an amazing touchdown pass to Jeremy Maclin in the NFC Wildcard Game, a throw that McNabb couldn’t make. I think the Eagles should keep Vick and trade McNabb.
    _______________________________________
    This is laughable. Who exactly is he scaring, other than the Eagles at the prospect of having to cut him and eat that $1.5 million?
    He made a routine 10 yard pass that Maclin turned into a long touchdown. Routine in that any competent NFL QB could have thrown it. Even McNabb, the guy you want to throw away in favor of Vick, proving that you are not playing with a full deck.
    You have to look really hard around here to find someone that wants to judge Vick on his football skills instead of dismissing him because of the dog thing or blindly defending him because they think he’s a victim of The Man.

  106. The reason Dick has a respectable winning percentage is because he has not played in any games. If he was a starter and was playing 16 games he would NOT have a respectable percentage. He sucks and that is the reason no team has made a play for him.

  107. willytight says:
    March 16, 2010 12:44 AM
    Say what you want about Vick, but the man has made over 3 million dollars in the last 18 months. How many years of college did you complete or will you have to complete in order to make that kind of money? and how many YEARS will it take any of you to make $3 mill? 99% of the posters here will never make 10% of that in their lifetime.
    ———————————————
    Really? 99% of us will not make $300,000 in our lifetime? So…you are saying if we all work for 30 years, we won’t make more than $10,000 per year? Or if we work for 20 years, we won’t average $15,000 per year?
    Maybe you won’t, because you are obviously awful at basic math.

  108. willytight says:
    March 16, 2010 12:44 AM
    Say what you want about Vick, but the man has made over 3 million dollars in the last 18 months. How many years of college did you complete or will you have to complete in order to make that kind of money? and how many YEARS will it take any of you to make $3 mill? 99% of the posters here will never make 10% of that in their lifetime. I’m not a Vick fan but to insult a man that makes more in 12 months than you make in 30 years is just crazy. And please don’t act like You, Me and every man in America is judged by how much money we have/make. That’s how it is and always will be. Ask your wives or girlfriends if they would rather you have the ability to throw a football, or bring home millions of dollars before your 30th birthday? So for everyone calling Vick or Big Ben or any other pro athlete a loser, go look at your W-2 form and ask yourself who’s had a more successful life.
    ————————–
    Just because someone gets paid doesn’t mean shit. How much did Bernie Madoff make? Does it mean he was a great investor?
    How much money did Ryan Leaf make? Was he a great QB? What about JaMarcus Russell? What about Joey Harrington? Since these guys were all paid top dollar they must’ve been terrific players, right?
    Take your nonsense elsewhere. Vick cannot (and never could) complete passes with regularity in the NFL.

  109. @willytight
    Either you are a troll, or your life is very sad. I don’t know what world you live in but in mine money is by no means the most important thing. I am not trying to brag but I have never had any problem maintaining a long term relationship with a girl and I probably make the least amount of money of every post here. If money is the most important thing to you thats fine but you can’t make some blanket statement about all of us. I can honestly say that if I made millions of dollars a year I would save my self enough to have a place to live and eat comfortably but the rest would go to charity. Their is way more to life than money. I hope you a very young person so you still have time to learn. Things like being in love, having a best friend, even winning that pick-up game are all priceless things that have nothing to do with money. If you want to live in your sad money obsessed world that is fine with me but don’t include the rest of us.

  110. Eagles4life says: Passer Rating: 93.7
    I say: Bwahahahahaha!!! The dude had a 93.8 passer rating because he completed 6 for 13 all year. Two things you all need to know:
    1) Even in his prime he was a average QB at best. Not including his one year with the Iggles his overall QB rating was 75.9 with a 53.7 completion percentage. (Putting Vick in the same conversation and context as Brees, Farve, Rivers, Rodgers, Rapistberger, Manning, Schaub, Romo, Brady and Warner is down right insulting and shows you are a biased fool!)
    2) Vick didn’t go to jail for dog fighting. He went to jail for lying to the Feds. Had the Commonwealth of Virginia tried Vick and found him guilty of dog fighting he would have gone away for a mandatory 5 years because, unlike Federal law, it is illegal to fight dogs in Virginia.
    You people really do need to get your information and facts straight before spouting off on things you obviously know little about.

  111. willytight says: how many YEARS will it take any of you to make $3 mill? 99% of the posters here will never make 10% of that in their lifetime… So for everyone calling Vick or Big Ben or any other pro athlete a loser, go look at your W-2 form and ask yourself who’s had a more successful life.
    Oh, the level of intelligence abounds on this blog. Lets clarify a couple of more things:
    1) Only those on welfare will fail to make $300,000 in their lifetime (10% of 3.0 mil, right?). Personally, I cleared that number in my mid 20’s.
    2) Vick is a loser. He may have made $3.0 million this year but declared bankruptcy in 2008, lost his NFL income (If memory serves me it was a $110.0 million contract), lost his home, cars, endorsements, etc. due to financial mismanagement and lying to the Feds resulting in being sent to prison. Yep, Vick exemplifies the smart people, right willytight?
    3) To further exemplify the level of intelligence of pro athletes willytight seems to adore and look up to, 78%, you get that, a whopping 78% of all pro football players declare bankruptcy. Why do you think that is, because they are smart? Seriously? Nope, its because they lack common sense and intelligence.
    I’ll take the hard working stiff over the athlete any day of the week.

  112. Kordell Stewart was a better quarterback than Vick, but that isn’t saying much.

  113. People who to this day still believe that Vick is scuma and will always be scum, I being one of them, do not believe that this gives Big Ben a free pass to rape woman. Only a true racist moron would try to tie the two together…and that being said most of Vick’s supporters are racist and are morons!

  114. scrapdawg12 and SF Saints Fan you both need to get your heads out of your rear ends. Out of all the QB’s mentioned on this blog (approximately 34, not including Vick, obviously) there are only 9, I repeat NINE, QB’s rated worse than Vick. By my calculation that puts Vick at the top of the bottom 25% of current NFL QB’s. I guess since he is at the top of the QB dung pile that make him Da Man!!!

  115. Judging his intelligence by how much stupid people pay him is … stupid.
    Mike Tyson is dumb as a box of hammers and he made millions too. Oh. That’s right. He went bankrupt too. And went to jail too.
    Hmmm.

  116. Route36West says: Vick is still better then 50% of the starting qbs in the NFL. You cannot honestly name 20 starting qbs who are better then him.
    It seems last year there were 38 starting QB’s throughout the year (might have been a couple I missed). The 27 starting QB’s statistically better than Vick.
    Flacco Favre
    Palmer Ryan
    Delhomme Moore
    Roethlisberger Brees
    Schaub Leftwich
    P. Manning Romo
    Garrard E. Manning
    Edwards McNabb
    Pennington Campbell
    Brady Warner
    Cassel Hasselbeck
    Rivers Smith
    Cutler Bulger
    Rodgers

  117. He ran that “poop and shoot” offense in Atlanta
    that was so poor he was flipping off booing fans (how soon we forget).
    I will be shocked if he ever does anything successful
    in the NFL. . . not that he ever did.

  118. “Blue Eyed Devils” is all about race and racism.
    That guy is really hung up on that stuff. The more he harps on race the more racist he appears.
    If you criticize a so-called African American quarterback you are racist. If you criticize a white quarteback who has been convicted of nothing you are fair and balanced (in his mind).
    He is so consumed by a racist attitude that he can’t even come close to being objective.
    That is too bad.

  119. VICK has never been very accurate. J.P. Losman has a canon arm to. JaMarcus Russel can throw 80yds on one knee.
    Most important vick can’t read defenses well, period. All the vick over-raters answer me this:
    If the guy is or even ever was this great QB you all say he is and was, WHY DOESN’T ANYONE WANT HIM?
    if he could play no one would care about the dogs especially now that a year has passed

  120. Didn’t Mike throw the only Eagles touchdown in the playoffs? The only reason he didn’t play more is because he and the league were trying to keep him in a low-profile situation and let the story cool down (this was obvious in any televised Eagles games). Vick is one of the 32 best QB’s in the league and should get an opportunity to start somewhere if these white trash dog lovers ever shut up.

  121. @michaelo7
    What league meeting were you invited to? I guess if you are a defender of sub human sadistic animal torture for kicks groups it was obvious. LOL Then they were all (Goodell included lol) going low-profile for the story to blow over? And you’re on of the guys assigned by the non white trash dog lovers to help it blow over huh? What does that make you a loyal member of the black community supporters for serial animal killers association? Great comedic post, you have to be kidding you couldn’t really mean all that…
    One of the best QB’s in the league? You’re serious? c’mon man, you can’t be serious with anything you wrote above… LOL

  122. michaelo7 says:
    March 17, 2010 5:33 PM
    Didn’t Mike throw the only Eagles touchdown in the playoffs? The only reason he didn’t play more is because he and the league were trying to keep him in a low-profile situation and let the story cool down (this was obvious in any televised Eagles games). Vick is one of the 32 best QB’s in the league and should get an opportunity to start somewhere if these white trash dog lovers ever shut up.
    ————————–
    Low profile? Seriously? They didn’t play him because he could never pass the ball any better than your average RB and his speed has left him. He’s a gimmick play, nothing more.
    In his prime he was electric in the open field, but as inaccurate a starting NFL QB as you’ll ever see. Now he’s lost the speed, but he still never learned how to pass.
    Quick! How many 1,000 WRs has Vick ever had? It’s actually the same number as 100 yard WR games he’s produced. Zero. He handicaps your team by failing to get the ball downfield accurately.

  123. Doesn’t matter if one of his old bosses is with the Browns, there’s no way he’s going to a team nick named “The Dogs”

  124. BlueEyeDevils says:
    March 15, 2010 7:53 PM
    Here is a little humor:
    What do you call a guy that rapes two white women and serves no jail time?
    Answer: White!
    ………………………………………………………………………..
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…go back to 1989
    Champs!

  125. People will believe what they want to believe and eyes will justify the minds lies. First, I am not a fan of Mike Vick. Second any scout who would make a judgement based on the limited amount of passes thrown by Vick last year is basing that decision on invalid information from a poor sample. Third Mike Vick is nowhere near as accurate as Troy Aikman or Matt Ryan, but just as accurate as Ben Rothlesbirger, Jeff Garcia, John Kitna, Daunta Culpepper and Tavaris Jackson. Finally, I wonder if this so-called scout would have made the same judgment of Brett Farve after watching Farves first few passes of the season last year.

  126. @ABH
    Interestingly enough, ALL of the QBs you list are either right at or over 60% for their careers with the exception of Mike Vick. Vick’s game was always predicated on threatening the defense with his legs to hurt them with his arm. His arm isn’t much of a threat as he loses the speed in his legs. The Eagles appear to be hoping for a “seller’s market” for Vick. I don’t see that happening for them.
    When Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, David Carr, and Charlie Whitehurst are getting teams interested in having them and nobody’s calling the Eagles about Mike, that should speak volumes at a very loud volume to the Vick supporters.

  127. Big Tex beat me to it, but he made one mistake. Jackson and Kitna’s career completion percentages are not over 60%. But each of them still have 5% on Mike Vick, and that’s a huge difference. Here’s the lowdown:
    Roethlisberger____63.3%
    Culpepper____63.0%
    Garcia____61.6%
    Kitna____59.8%
    Jackson____58.7%
    Vick____53.7%
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm
    Secondly, is anyone arguing that Jeff Garcia or Jon Kitna or Daunte Culpepper should be starting QBs in the NFL at this point? I don’t remember seeing that. We’re talking about Vick and his passing has ALWAYS been poor.
    In 67 career starts he’s never had a WR go for 100 yards in a game. And in 5 seasons as a starter he never had a WR break 1,000 yards receiving in a season. But Joey Harrington steps in for him and does it right away. Joey. Harrington. That tells the tale. Vick can’t involve WRs in the game.
    He’s 29th out of 38 on this list of active QBs ranked by passer rating: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_active.htm

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