Talk increases that Rams would trade down on the cheap

The draft is two days away, and there’s growing talk in league circles that the Rams would be willing to trade out of the No. 1 overall selection for a package far less than the outdated draft trade chart would require.

The thinking is that, if the Rams stay put, they’d feel compelled to take quarterback Sam Bradford with the No. 1 overall pick.  But there’s a concern that Bradford, who hasn’t played much football since 2008, will end up on the bench for most if not all of 2010, while A.J. Feeley or Keith Null or someone else takes the snaps.  (Then there’s the whole “exploding shoulder” thing and the whole “spread offense” thing, which Bradford tried unconvincingly to explain away during a Monday interview on Jim Rome Is Burning.)

Some believe that the Rams, who have won six games in three years, would prefer to pick a player who can step right in and play — and if they can acquire more picks or, perhaps even better, extra players who can immediately contribute, it would be a bonus.

Then there’s the value that comes from stepping away from having to fork over the record contract that the first overall pick will receive, especially if it’s a quarterback.

So who would trade up?  The primary candidates are the Redskins (No. 4), the Browns (No. 7), and possibly the Seahawks (No. 6).

And for those of you who think that the Redskins wouldn’t pick a quarterback in round one, the one quarterback they’d potentially pick is Bradford, whom offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan would begin to develop behind the scenes, potentially with the idea of coach Mike Shanahan engineering a torch-passing to Kyle after two or three seasons with Donovan McNabb at the helm.

For the Rams, the biggest question is whether they’d be willing to take the heat for taking a package that would pale in comparison to the deals done in past years at the top of round one.  Given that the Rams have suffered through far greater indignities of late relating to and arising from on-field performance (or lack thereof), they should be thrilled to be criticized for making a move that potentially will improve their current circumstances significantly.

59 responses to “Talk increases that Rams would trade down on the cheap

  1. They’d only be setting a one year precedent… as there will be a rookie salary cap after the 2010 season.

  2. the list of #1 picks to have turned around their franchises is very small
    I don’t know how many picks do the Rams have but definitely know that QB is not their only major need
    if not for the ridiculous contracts that these top picks get, I’m sure we would have seen more trades in the first round

  3. The Lions are a perfect example of a team blowing so much salary space on a constant parade of #1s and other Top 5 picks that they never get out of the hole they’re in and just keep digging deeper when the picks fail.
    I’d be impressed if the Rams swapped firsts with another top 10 team for an extra 2nd rounder, then swapped THAT first to a team in the teens or low 20s for yet another 2nd rounder.

  4. We’ll trade the Rams Marshawn Lynch, Whitner, and some hellfire chicken wings for that #1.
    Then we’ll draft Bradford (and not Tebow), toss him in there behind a shotty o-line, and watch him become the next hellfire chicken.

  5. A team like the Rams have more needs than QB. While I would agree that QB is one of the most important positions on the football field, keep in mind that Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. Getting more picks in exhange for the one would allow them to draft more into a very talented draft pool and help secure long term growth and success.

  6. Hinting that the Skins would take Bradford so that they could to hand him off to Shannahan junior a few years from now is ridiculous.
    Perhaps you have forgotten who the Skins owner is.
    The possibility that they might draft him as the QB of the future is not ridiculous, however.

  7. Value is set by the market, not by a chart. It’s a nice guideline but fails to take the reality of the financial relief trading down provides into account. The Panthers wanted Kerry Collins #1 in 1995 and traded with Cincinnati for only the #5 pick and a second round selection. Both teams got who they wanted. Good old, Kagina Carter…made of spun glass.

  8. I’ve always thought that the draft system is flawed because the teams with the earliest picks have few choices. I think that the draft should be based on a points “auction” and the points are awarded would come from the finished records. Any team could use their “points” to bid for the right to draft whenever they felt they could best help their team. A team with a lot of points, due to a bad record, could essentially trade back without having to find a partner by bidding less for the earlier picks. They could them pick up the volume of quality (not stars) players to improve the team.

  9. If they can, they should definitely trade out. If the report is correct, I’m guessing that the Browns could trade a 1st, 2nd, 5th and Shaun Rogers to get the deal done. I’m not sure this is in the best interest of the Browns, but it may get it done.
    Then, the Browns go on to draft Sam Bradford and if the Redskins and Seahawks pass on Clausen, he’ll be available at 7. If not, they can saty put in round 2 or even move up a couple slots to secure Colt McCoy or Tim Tebow.
    To be honest, I would like to see a trade for the first overall pick. It’s the Drafts first time ever on primetime and it would be a fitting way to start the 2010 NFL Draft.

  10. Since the Redskins have 1 pick in the first 100 left, what exactly are they going to offer the Rams. Are they going to give them next years draft?
    That and how exactly are the Redskins going to pay Bradford the money the #1 QB pick gets AND give McNabb the money a franchise, pro bowl QB gets (if you don’t recall, at present the Redskins have given away most of their current draft to ‘rent’ McNabb for a year)? You really think they’re going to devote 30 mil/yr to the QB position?

  11. The browns aren’t going to waste their picks. They already have improved the team with the moves they’ve made. They have a chance to have an excellent draft with ALL the picks they have. Holmgren & Heckert won’t waste them on a “bundle” for Bradford!

  12. What QB could they take in the 4, 6, or 7 spot that could come right in and play? Or are you thinking they go with a lineman with their first pick and take a pro-style QB in round 2 or 3?

  13. Well, the Rams are going through an ownership change and may not even want to pay the premium price for a QB at the top of the draft right now. On the other hand, the Browns, have an owner with deep pockets and a team president who has a man-crush on Bradford.
    Stay tuned.

  14. While the list of #1 QBs that have turned around a franchise is very small, the rams let go of their former starter Bulger. If they don’t draft a QB, they are practically saying that there is no hope for this year or the future. I know that you can get a QB in a later round, but they do need a QB. Why not get the best guy available? I don’t really think that Bradford is that great, but he is probably the best of this draft.

  15. I wonder if it would be easier to get more for the #2 or #3 pick. Them trading wouldn’t necessarily shake up the entire draft, this late in the game, because someone other than Detroit or Tampa sliding into that spot would mean that Tampa would have to “settle” for Russell Okung and if Washington then takes Bradford, the draft board will have adjusted back to pre-trade order.
    Seattle has a good chance of getting some combination of Ndamukong Suh and either C.J. Spiller or Dez Bryant if they trade up to number 1.

  16. Skins send Haynesworth and the #4 overall pick to the Rams for their #1 overall pick and their second round pick. Which team wouldn’t agree to this? (Lions potentially)

  17. I’ve got a crazy idea for the Rams. Instead of feeling compelled to draft Bradford because he’s the sexy choice, why not just draft Ndamukong Suh? He’s the best player available, and he fills a need.

  18. At #4 they can still get the man they want and not feel the pressure from not taking Bradford. Plus they would get a dominant DT in Haynesworth. Spags is known for collecting D-line. Adam Carraiker has fallen out of favor in STL and remeber a couple of months ago Haslet spoke about how great Carrakier was. The Rams also need a QB. Jason Campbell fits that bill for the short term. This will allow the Rams to get a QB and not have to break the bank on the last year before a rookie wage scale is put in place. With the Redskins having that #1 pick they will choose Bradford to groom behind McNab for the next two years. Do you think the signing of all these NT’s was just for depth? The Redskins are ready to move on without Haynesworth.

  19. Heck, if the Skins offered 1.4 and their 1 next year, I’d take it. Bradford isn’t all that and a bag of chips. Heck, at 4, they could potentially still land Suh or McCoy…worse case Okung….or possibly even Clausen if they really want a QB. I think taking Colt McCoy at 2.1 makes more sense.
    OR, trade 1.1 to Seattle for their 2 1st rounders. You could still probably land Clausen at 6 and then get a premium player at I believe 14.

  20. Ha! Ispysomething7; a writer for a website that thrives on rumor says Cleveland might trade up and you are jumping to conclusions that Holmgren might be stupid?
    Pleeeeease.

  21. Trade down or take Suh…you think Bradford has an exploding shoulder now…wait till he gets behind that line

  22. so you’re saying the Redskins are going to pay Mcnabb then go get a AB at the first pick pay HIMrecord money and have him sit for THREE YEARS? Makes no sense.

  23. A trade with Cleveland for #7 and #38 might be enough to make it worth it for the Rams. That would allow them to possibly take Clausen and another player at #38 or take an player like Berry at #7 and Colt McCoy at #38. If they like McCoy as much as has been reported this might be the ideal scenerio and they might even be able to trade down again from #7 to a team wanting Clausen, like the Bills.
    To me getting some artificial value developed by the Cowboys 20 years ago shouldn’t matter. What should matter is if the Rams believe the players drafted with the picks they receive is better than just drafting Bradford or whomever at #1.

  24. Bwa Ha Ha says:
    April 20, 2010 7:13 AM
    I’ve always thought that the draft system is flawed because the teams with the earliest picks have few choices. I think that the draft should be based on a points “auction” and the points are awarded would come from the finished records. Any team could use their “points” to bid for the right to draft whenever they felt they could best help their team. A team with a lot of points, due to a bad record, could essentially trade back without having to find a partner by bidding less for the earlier picks. They could them pick up the volume of quality (not stars) players to improve the team.
    ————————————
    That’s a pretty dumb idea.
    And how do the teams with the early picks have few choices? The Rams have the earliest pick and they have the most choices, i.e. anyone in the draft.

  25. What is worrisome is last year, the Sooners set the all-time scoring record in college football, unbelievable it seemed and unstoppable, averaging close to 50/game in the Big 12. Bradford looks like nobody in could ever stop him.
    Florida Gators go in and hold em to 14 points and beat Oklahoma by 10.
    Hmmmmmmm…………………….

  26. I think this has a lot to do with the pending sale of the Rams. The front office is running scared and want a “safe” pick (Suh or McCoy).
    On the other hand,if the Rams think Bradford cannot replace A.J. Feeley immediately they should be fired.

  27. If you read the reports the Redskins are not close to getting an extention done with McNabb.

  28. Raiders should give up the #8 pick and their second round draft pick in 2011. If the Rams needed a player I would throw in Michael Bush (would make a good back up to Steven Jackson and has a relatively cheap salary since he was a 4th round draft pick originally)
    The chance go get Suh/McCoy is TOO important for the Raiders and their pathetic run defense…I would hesitate to give up this year’s #2 for the simple fact if they did go DT in round one they would REALLY need to go OT with their early second round pick THIS YEAR.
    Of course it would leave the Raiders without a #1 or #2 in 2011, but heck Al Davis isn’t getting any younger…Suh or McCoy would instantly make the Raiders defense MUCH better than it is right now.

  29. # ccoolahan14 says: April 20, 2010 7:44 AM
    Skins send Haynesworth and the #4 overall pick to the Rams for their #1 overall pick and their second round pick. Which team wouldn’t agree to this? (Lions potentially)
    Crazy talk, they couldn’t give Haynesworth away because his salary is far too high.

  30. I am not really sure if the Redskins could move up I was thinking more of them moving down and trading a few guy’s; mainly Jason Campbell, Rocky Mcintosh, Andre Carter and if the price was right Albert Haynesworth. For them to move up they would have ammo but they wouldn’t get a lot of additional picks. They need a left tackle, a true free safety and an additional linebacker at this point.

  31. “ccoolahan14 says:
    April 20, 2010 7:44 AM
    Skins send Haynesworth and the #4 overall pick to the Rams for their #1 overall pick and their second round pick. Which team wouldn’t agree to this? (Lions potentially)

    Usually it takes a 2nd rounder to move up from 4 to 1 so maybe #4 + Haynesworth for #1 may be enticing, but I doubt it.

  32. @Bwa Ha Ha the redskins gave Fat Ablert the bigger part of his contract, $21 mil to be exact. Now all he has left is somewhere along the lines of 3 or 4 years at $16 mil left. So he is tradeable now, but its still up in the air as to who wants to deal with his crap. Maybe the Lions because their coach use to coach Fat Albert in Ten. My wish list is to trade Fat Albert and the number 4 to the lions for their number 2 and a second rounder. This way the Skins can get Suh and pick up a line man in the second. The Lions get a DT that can play under that coach and dominate and they can get another position that they need line a line man. So Okung or Williams at 4. Its win win for everyone.

  33. This QB draft class is so thin, Bradford would likely be a second round pick any other year. Hell, had Jake Locker declared he would have been picked over Bradford.
    If I’m the Browns, I’d be far more willing to take a flyer on a Tony Pike/Dan LeFevour/Jevan Snead rather than a Bradford/Clausen/Tebow. Given Holmgren’s track record of working with quarterbacks not taken in the first round, I’d be shocked if that’s not the route he’d take.

  34. ashburn resident says:
    April 20, 2010 7:48 AM
    **********************
    Except for the statement that Adam Carricker has fallen out of favor with the Rams, which can’t be more from the truth… he was hurt all of last year with his shoulder. Between him and Leonard Little, they held the D-line together the past couple of years. You want to know someone who has a short shelf life, it’s Howie’s kid… I know that this will only be in his third year and I’m not trying to compare him to Reggie White…but get some pressure on the freakin’ QB, that’s why the Rams made the mistake, er, I mean, picked you second overall in ’07.
    Anyway, ashburn, good scenario: Haynesworth and Campbell and the #4 for the #1 overall. ‘Skins get to dump salary and get rid of a QB that is STILL very talented (I believe), fill two needs with coughing up that pick and only move down 3 spots. AND the Rams “hopefully” will get a motivated Haynesworth and as was said a QB that was NEVER liked in DC. They embrace a black President in that city, but they can’t do the same with their QB… it boggles the mind. Anyway, this is a win-win.

  35. Im starting to think you pass on Suh, as well.
    Trade down, rack up the picks, snag McCoy.
    But for the love of all that is pure and chaste, stay the hell away from Claussen.

  36. Although it is unlikely, imagine what what would happen if the Rams signed Bradford to a huge contract, something like $ 50 million guaranteed and perhaps $ 70 million total over 6 years, and then a few weeks later agreement is reached on a new CBA that includes a rookie salary cap. Someone would take the fall for that one, even if Bradford developed into a top QB.

  37. I would hate to be a Rams fan right now!
    Sam Bradford = nice kid, media friendly.
    But with that damn shoulder injury x2 in college, imagine when those freight trains come 16 times in a season.
    Like I said in previous threads, if there was a rookie payscale, I can see drafting him #1.
    But if Bradford is the #1, he would be slated to make $80 million plus!
    That is out of control for two blown shoulders and an unproven commodity, with that kind of money, he has to start! The minute he gets off the private jet, he just needs to take off the suit from the draft and head to the film room, get a hotel suite thats probaly ten minutes from the practice facility and get to work! PERIOD!

  38. Serious question…Does anyone think the Skins would be able to package Campbell and Haynesworth to the Rams for their #1 pick?
    Redskins could then keep their #4 pick, having two of the top 4 picks in the draft, and could take Bradford and Okung.
    Rams would get their starting QB who has experience and top flight d-lineman, a bit emotional.
    What does everyone think?

  39. Again with this talk of handing the team over to Kyle Shanahan in 3 years. First, Daddy hasn’t achieved anything that Elway and Davis didn’t hand him. He didn’t do it before them and he didn’t do it after them. There is no way the Skins are going to make a turnaround in 3 years when they have neither the players nor the draft picks to build on. It will take longer than 3 years IF things go right. Once Snyder fires him after this season or next, he’ll send his boy packing too.

  40. Its amazing to see how intellegent some PFT readers actually are when a neutral topic is introduced. I have been reading a lot of Big Ben articles lately and the comments contained in those equate to a 3rd grade shouting match.
    I really like Bwa Ha Ha’s approach, although I dont think it will ever happen. And another reader made a good point that the Lions cant bring in veteran talent or even good free agency talent because there army of high first round draft picks are eating up all the cap space.
    If the Rams do trade out of the first pick who would they target? I guess Okung if they trade with the Skins but the Skins only have 1 pick in the top 100. I guess Snidey can start trading next years draft picks early again. The Browns are the most logical choice, although as a Steelers fan I dont want them to get their top guy. Picking up the Brows 2nd and a later pick then drafting Clausen is a much better approach than drafting Bradford.
    I think the major concern is that Bradford may be soft, and the Rams are forced to pick him at #1 to save face for their franchise and because althrough Suh is great, a dominating DT doesnt turn a franchise around like a great QB. I could see Bradford missing a lot of time if he is behind an OL as bad at the Rams.
    Can’t wait to see what happens!!

  41. Serious question…Does anyone think the Skins would be able to package Campbell and Haynesworth to the Rams for their #1 pick?
    Redskins could then keep their #4 pick, having two of the top 4 picks in the draft, and could take Bradford and Okung.
    Rams would get their starting QB who has experience and top flight d-lineman, a bit emotional.
    What does everyone think?
    ————————————————–
    You are kidding, right? No one wants Haynesworth and the Redskins have no options with Campbell. JC will be released or traded for like a 7th rounder. AH will be traded for a 4th, maybe low 3rd.
    With this in mind, do you think the Rams will give up the #1 overall pick for a 7th and low 3rd OR early 4th? Stop the insanity!!
    Enjoy McNabb, picking him up seriously limited the Redskins options for the next few years. They won’t take a QB this year, they will get nothing for Campbell, and are forced to draft OL to protect their aging superstar. Not to mention, the limited # of picks this year. Another great Snyder move!

  42. OMG !!!! Please trade down. Send #1 to Washington for Jason Campbell, one of the 5 rbs they have & #4

  43. Let’s assume the Skins want to move up for Bradford
    Obviously #1 to #4 Flop needs more ammo. Shanahn doesn’t like to give up picks from next year so that complicates things, but they could do this:
    Sign Flozelle adams: He could solidfy the OL for a couple of years at least.
    Redskins get rams: #1 and a #5 and Adam Carriker, Possibly Otogwe
    Rams get: Skins #1 pick4, Skins fifth Jason campbell, Andre carter/Rocky McIntosh
    Basically skins would flop First and fifth rounders with the Rams trade Carriker and possibly Otogwe for Campbell carter and McIntosh. Rams would then be in a position to select Possibly Russel Okung, McCoy or Eric Berry at #4 to replace Otogwe (if he’s gone, if not they can draft a number of other positions)
    That would seem pretty fair compensation, JC can be a caretaker in the OL for a few years and he doesn’t throw many picks so a defensive coach like Spagnola may like that.
    If we are talking Albert Haynesworth as part of this deal, then the rams need to throw in a 2nd or 3rd Round pick this year.
    In the event that AH is involved the Rams have a DT to replace Carriker and could go DE/CB/S there in the first round, or even draft Clausen if they like him. I’m not sure I would if I were the Rams or not though.

  44. DB3300 first this year they are out draft picks yes and they are missing one from 2011, so what? lots of teams are missing picks the problem with the skins was not drafting the right players at the right times IMO.

  45. Finally, some sense in StL.
    Bradford took a hard hit in ’08, his shoulder exploded, and he was done. He was treated and said he was fine.
    The next hit he took, at the start of last season- the *very next hit*- his shoulder exploded again.
    How can anyone risk a franchise as tenuous as St.L. on this?

  46. If ANYONE passes on Suh, then you deserve to be losers for years to come. This is without a doubt the biggest talent we’ve seen in some time. I hope the first several teams screw this up, and he falls to Seattle at 6. Won’t happen, but it would be nice.

  47. I’ll be so pissed off if the Redskins trade up for Bradford and his broken shoulder.
    Pick an LT at #4 for pity’s sake.

  48. The best scenerio for the Rams is to trade the #1 pick for a 2nd/3rd rounder this year and a 1st rounder NEXT YEAR. Even though this draft is loaded with talent at other positions next years draft will be another QB boom.
    With two 2nd rounders and two 3rd rounders the Rams could replenish talent at other positions, save money, and prepare to draft the QB of the future next year. Winning 6 games in 2 years is not going to change drafting a 2011 2nd round QB in 2010. Picking up 4 starters in 2010 on the first to days of the draft prepares the team for years of success.
    The Redskin don’t need a QB this soon regardless of what the overall perception of Mcnabb is he still has GREAT years ahead of him especially when you look at the track record of his coach. The Skin WILL be a running team and they don’t have an O-line. Trade Haynesworth to detroit for a 3rd and Campbell to the bills for a 3rd and the Skins could build a line a for this year that will be in place for the QB of the future that will be drafted next year. (trust me at least 4 QB will go in the 1st round next year with 3 going top 10).

  49. DrakeDB says:
    The Lions are a perfect example of a team blowing so much salary space on a constant
    *************************
    No, they’re the perfect example of a club run by a bunch of morons (King Moron being Ford, for allowing Prince Moron, Millen, to run the franchise into the ground). You can go back years and find a time when rookies weren’t being paid as much in guaranteed money and find a franchise or two or twenty that kept their top choices around a long time out of embarrassment and not their huge salaries (About the only thing that would “help” the club is if they have a career ending injury).

  50. CJV123 says:
    Bradford took a hard hit in ’08, his shoulder exploded, and he was done. He was treated and said he was fine.
    *****************************
    An absolute lie in so many ways.
    1. The hit that “exploded” his shoulder was in the first game of 2009 against BYU and NOTHING happened in 2008. BTW, he took a hit on that same shoulder a couple of plays before he was hurt and he was able to come back and complete a pass for 18 yards before he was hurt on the next play.
    2. The next hit that he took that “exploded” his shoulder was against Texas AND here’s the kicker: he played a game in between against Baylor and took hits and his shoulder didn’t explode in his very first hit as people have tried to say. Had he gotten surgery, he would have missed most, if not all of the season and he took a chance that he could make it through the season without hurting it again and he lost his gamble.

  51. Bradford is a bust waiting to happen
    They obviously aren’t sure about him and don’t want him.
    They should trade down or take Suh, the best player in the draft bar none

  52. im thinking Holmgren is more likely to try and move back than up because at 7 theres really nobody jumping out at them unless by some miracle Berry is still there which I doubt.

  53. “the Browns could trade a 1st, 2nd, 5th and Shaun Rogers to get the deal done.”
    That’s absolutely idiotic. Must have been wishcasting by some Rams fan. Why not throw in Cribbs and their 3rd round picks to sweeten the deal?
    Bradford’s not even that good, he’s arguably a top 3 QB in a very weak class this year.
    I’m sure Holmgren signed old man Delhomme and gave him $7 million this year so he can hand some rookie QB a $50 million dollar payout.
    If there are 4-5 players you would be thrilled to get, a team with real balls would pass for several spots, pick the guy they wanted anyway, and save millions of dollars in gauranteed money. The first organization that does it and blows up this stupid rookie payout scale would be my personal hero.

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