Pete Carroll's "horrible" Patriots tenure makes him want to win now

A lengthy profile of Pete Carroll in today’s Boston Globe explores both Carroll’s frustrating experience as coach of the New England Patriots and how that experience is shaping the way Carroll coaches now in his new job leading the Seattle Seahawks.

Carroll tells the Globe‘s Albert Breer that he was set up to fail in New England by a culture in which veteran players would go over his head to air their grievances with the front office and the ownership — and that Carroll’s bosses would side with the players, not with him.

It was horrible,” Carroll said. “That’s not leadership. But that existed, yeah. That was there and [the front office] thought it was kind of cool. They liked it like that. I think the ownership, they wanted information and they thought that was the way to get it. And really, in all fairness to the Krafts, they didn’t know yet how to do it, they were just figuring it out.”

The Krafts, whom Carroll describes as “brilliant people,” obviously have figured it out and have three Super Bowl rings to show for it. But Carroll still seems to feel stung by his experience in New England, and it seems to shape his desire to win now in Seattle.

“I’m not gonna be one of those guys — build for the future, and by Year 3 we’ll be this or that,” Carroll said. “I couldn’t care less about that type of thinking. We’re trying to win our division right now.”

Carroll was fired after a three-year tenure in New England in which he had gone 27-21. Realistically, if he wins 27 games in three years in Seattle, it’s highly unlikely that he’d be fired. But Carroll wants everyone to know that he’s not thinking three years ahead. He’s thinking about winning in 2010.

52 responses to “Pete Carroll's "horrible" Patriots tenure makes him want to win now

  1. “”I’m not gonna be one of those guys — build for the future, and by Year 3 we’ll be this or that,” Carroll said. “I couldn’t care less about that type of thinking. We’re trying to win our division right now.”
    I’m sure that sounds good to the local media and fan base, but it’s also a good way to turn a mediocre team into a terrible team. When you have a lot of aging vets on a so-so team, you can either try to bring in some old guys to eke out an extra win, or you can develop young talent to get better for the long haul.
    If Pete’s the first type – as he himself claims – he’s likely to run the team straight into the ground.

  2. The Patriots success and the Kraft’s brilliance and Belichick’s genius all begin and end with accidentally drafting Tom Brady in the sixth round.
    Without that stroke of blind, deaf and dumb luck the Patriots would still be a below average team, Kraft would not have brilliantly given away a Super Bowl ring by accident and Belichick would have been fired five years ago.

  3. Way to throw Pat Kirwin under the bus Pete…I can hear him now…’Lets go to Pete in Seattle…Hey Petey….you broke my heart Petey.”

  4. Pete… Pete… Pete…
    What explains the Jets? You know, when you and your staff were playing three-on-three basketball instead of, oh, figuring out ways to win…
    As for New England… What you really said is that the players don’t respect you and won’t put up with you. Maybe they don’t go over your head to the Seattle ownership, seeing how absentee Paul Allen is…. But that doesn’t mean they’re going to listen to you.
    I remember when the 49ers took on Erickson who sang the same tune… Yeah, that worked out so well…

  5. And what exactly did you expect Pete Carroll to say? “Golly, I could die happy if we had a 5-11 season!”
    This is just the kind of hard-hitting incisive journalism that keeps me coming back – to ESPN Sportsnation.

  6. This just in…! Breaking news!
    A head coach that wants to win.
    Give me a break… This is garbage journalism.

  7. Way to accept responsibility Pete. How many different people were to blame for your lack of success in New England? Mr.Carroll will be reminded that the NFL is about coaching and not recruiting. Oh yeah, you’ve got a salary cap to deal with now as well.

  8. Pete should have stayed in college, I just don’t see him as a quality NFL head coach.
    My prediction, he won’t last the length of his contract.

  9. If I was a Seattle fan, I would be petrified over these (and other similar) comments from Carroll about his time in New England. He failed there. The team got worse each season he was there (remember, he took over a team that was young and had just played in the Super Bowl). Under Carroll, they got worse each season. They were undisciplined. They didn’t execute well. But Carroll thinks all the problems were caused by others. His biggest regret – was that Curtis Martin signed with the Jets. He failed because he wasn’t up to the job – yet not once, has he said one thing to show he may have learned from his failures. That would worry me, because it makes me think he is doomed to repeat such mistakes.
    Wasn’t Pete all pumped and jacked about the LenDale White trade?

  10. hey suess,
    he didn’t throw Pat Kirwin under the bus, he THREW (well deserved) Bobby Grier under. One of the worst personnel evaluators in the NFL.
    It was legendary that his back door was open to all the malcontents like Terry Glenn etc. Bobby Grier is a big reason for the Patriots fall after Bill Parcells left.
    I wish Pete Carroll well with the Seahawks.

  11. Yes, Carroll ALLOWED the players to walk all over him and that was part of his “jacked and pumped” suckitude.
    But lets face it, was he the coach or not ? No strong coach would allow that to go on, he would speak up loudly, take charge and make it clear how things were going to work. He didn’t do that and as a result things got worse every year under Carroll.
    Good luck Hawks fans, maybe he’ll do better this time, that is if he grew a spine in the meantime.

  12. What works in College doesn’t translate to the NFL! Ask Lou Holt.. Mr Rah Rah
    The failure in NY was duplicated in NE! Win 8-9 games in the first part of the season and then go on a losing streak. No wonder players went over your head. It’s bad when the players know that you’re incompetent!
    Blaming others for your failures is a big sign that maybe, you didn’t learn a damn thing! It’s a distint possibility that doing the same things over and over again and expecting a differint result is insane!
    Pete, grow up! Take responsibility for your failures and maybe you can move forward?

  13. One other note on Carroll and his time with the Patriots – the team went to the Super Bowl the year before he got there and won the Super Bowl two years after he left. You would think possibly that type of success immediately before and after his tenure in NE would cause him to at least slightly examine what role he played in his failures in New England.

  14. Pete Carroll took a bullet in the head that happened to have Bobby Grier’s name on it.

  15. Essentially, it was everyone else’s fault but Pete Carroll’s. Way to get out of USC before the NCAA handed down its ruling, Pete. None of that was your fault, either, huh? Heads-up — there are no Washington States in the NFL and everyone can buy players in this league. Even the Rams could beat you on any given Sunday.

  16. Carroll is a bum and the Niners will own their division the next several years. Go back to college you hack

  17. I find it ironic that Petey is blaming his total loss of control on his higher. Smacks to me as a copout. His game plans were awful and who can forget his frantically calling time out from the sidelines and Bledsoe just waving him off?
    Incredible!
    At the same time I think far too many Pats fans refuse to admit the truth about BB. He shot his wad years ago, he cost the team a championship game against the Colts a few years ago, did NOTHING in the face of the Giants fierce pass rush in the SB, was totally outcoached and embarrassed by the Saints and Ravens last year, and has not confused an NFL offense in years.
    The brains behinds those rings WAS Crennel and Weiss.
    On top of that he has a prima donna QB who shuns anybody who makes a mistake but shrugs off his own.
    This version of the Pats are done until fans and front office wake up and clean house but that will never happen.
    Kool-aid drinkers, I await your response.

  18. This team can win in that division. Had Warner came back, they would easily take it, but it is wide open now.

  19. What he didn’t say is that he inherited an AFC Championship team in New England, and turned it into a mediocre team.
    The players were going over his head to complain about the LACK OF DISCIPLINE. They were used to Parcells’ tough love, and were put off by Carrolls “rah rah” bull dung.
    Pete should have stayed in college.

  20. Carroll had TWO chances to be successful in the NFL and he came up short. It happens. So, what makes anybody believe the third time will be a charm? Because he won at USC where a coach can basically roll outta bed and field a national contender???
    The Kool-Aid floweth freely.
    Those that do not know history …

  21. “The Patriots success and the Kraft’s brilliance and Belichick’s genius all begin and end with accidentally drafting Tom Brady in the sixth round.”
    Kraft had already turned the fortunes of the franchise around by starting the construction of the new stadium. He’s a great owner who sees the big picture.
    Belichick had the sack to play Brady over the team’s “franchise quarterback” Drew Bledsoe. Very few coaches would have left the $100M man on the bench after he was ready to come back from injury. Belichick risked his entire career as a head coach with his evaluation of the quarterbacks. There was great debate in New England about who should be the LONG TERM quarterback even after the 2001 Super Bowl win. If Brady had turned out to be a flash in the pan as many predicted, Belichick would have been run out of town on a rail for trading away Bledsoe. He trusted his own judgement, and made the tough decision. Over time, he’s proven to be the best coach in football.

  22. # SnowCrash7 says: June 3, 2010 10:32 AM
    Kool-aid drinkers, I await your response.
    ——————————————————
    /Takes sip of kool-aid (Tasty)
    Well I have to disagree with you, now Weiss and Crenell were a huge part of the teams success but if you don’t have the right head guy then it will mean nothing.
    The Colts game I 100% agree his 3rd and 10 run by Heath Evans was a terrible call but in terms of the Giants game there was not much he could do. When Justin Tuck is knocking Logan Mankins on his ass every play, the fact the PATS scored 14 points was a miracle (Though the 4th down call was horrible, they should have kicked).
    To think that he is not a good coach and is bad for the team though is just incorrect. If he was that bad for the team then we would be hearing it from more experts out there. Many believe he is still the best coach in the NFL.
    I personally don’t think he is part of the problem (GM Belichick maybe but not coach Belichick)
    “On top of that he has a prima donna QB who shuns anybody who makes a mistake but shrugs off his own.”
    Unlike which QB?

  23. Well, he is right about Bobby Grier. Parcells joked when he left New England that it didn’t matter what picks the Patriots got from the Jets as compensation for him leaving because he knew the Patriots would find a way to screw them up. Belichick was so upset with the roster left in place by Grier that he cut most of the players on that team, kept a core, and started from scratch.
    But this does not excuse Carroll’s performance in New England. He just wasn’t that great of a coach. With the mess he left at Southern Cal, he really ought to keep a low profile right now and just coach and keep his mouth shut. Of course, maybe he’ll be another Rex Ryan this time around. I’m pumped and I’m jacked.

  24. “It was legendary that his back door was open”
    Legendary?
    His what was open?

  25. Citizen Strange, it wasn’t by accident that Brady got drafted.
    Hauschild – Carroll didn’t come up short. The Jets are the Jets and thus failure was to be expected. The Patriots didn’t give Carroll full control of the team – Grier ran personnel and Andy Wasynchuk ran salaries; Carroll couldn’t discipline players becausen they’d go to Grier and he’d overrule Carroll. Carroll was a good coach. You’re the one who doesn’t know history.

  26. ampats says:
    June 3, 2010 9:50 AM
    hey suess,
    he didn’t throw Pat Kirwin under the bus, he THREW (well deserved) Bobby Grier under. One of the worst personnel evaluators in the NFL.
    It was legendary that his back door was open to all the malcontents like Terry Glenn etc. Bobby Grier is a big reason for the Patriots fall after Bill Parcells left.
    I wish Pete Carroll well with the Seahawks.
    This is right on the button. Grier’s drafting, and he had a lot of high picks from losing Parcell’s, was really bad. We lost years because of Kraft’s blindness in staying with this guy.

  27. Mike Daly:
    You prove my point about the Kool-Aid and obviously, you might know history, but you do not understand it. You want to believe Carroll was a victim and not the master of his destiny, well, provide some factual evidence – not absolute nonsense like the reason that Carroll blew it in New York was because “the Jets are the Jets”. Give us a break for God’s sakes?!?!?
    How many chances does one man get to coach in the NFL and at what point is obvious he is not cut out for the NFL, which few are, by the way?
    Like that owl in the old Tootsie Roll commercial…….Uh, one….uh, two…..uh, three…..CRUNCH!!!

  28. Interesting that now they aren’t stealing signals anymore the almighty PATS are regressing
    Hard to throw 50 td’s when Brady doesn’t now the exact defense 90% of the time

  29. The he didn’t succeed 10 years ago why do you expect him to succeed now is a dumb argument. Your telling me that your not better at what you do job wise from 10 years ago? If your not you have problems, but most people have improved over this time.
    Coaches are no different. As time goes on and you learn from your past expediences you impove. Pete Carroll is no different. He learned and now he has his opportunity to put those past jobs to rest by making the Seahawks respectable again.
    I say the Seahawks will be in the Superbowl in 4 years.

  30. MosesZD said, “I remember when the 49ers took on Erickson who sang the same tune… Yeah, that worked out so well…”
    Well, i dont compare Erickson and Carroll. Carroll was a GREAT college coach, one of the best EVER, Erickson isn’t even close to being great, he’s a good college coach, but not great. If Carroll fails, i see him being a Nick Saban or Steve Spurrier type fail.
    Bob said, “Way to get out of USC before the NCAA handed down its ruling, Pete.”
    unlike John Callipari, i think Pete Carroll left college because he wasnt as successful as he was last year and he wanted an NFL job to prove people wrong.
    Pastabely said, “With the mess he left at Southern Cal, he really ought to keep a low profile right now and just coach and keep his mouth shut.”
    i dont think he left them in a mess, although it isnt good, it’s not something USC cant come back from. If Lane Kiffin is a good coach, he can turn this team around, As for Seattle, it also remains to be seen.
    FinFan said, “You’ll be coaching university of washington in 2 years”
    Disagree, Steve Sarkisian is a good coach, maybe Notre Dame (if Kelly is fired) or an SEC team, if Carroll doesnt last in the pros.

  31. Carrol can say whatever he wants. When he was the Pats coach the team never trusted him. One night former Pats reciver Vincent Brisby was left by some of his teammates at a restaurant(he was hitting on a girl and they didn’t feel like waiting). When my friends went outside he was standing there looking for his friends who left him. Long story shory, my friends gave him a ride home. They were asking him questions and Carrol came up. Brisby said that before the first game of the year the coaching staff freaked and changed everything 30 minutes before kickoff. They changed everything they had practiced all summer and ran stuff that they never really practiced. Needless to say they lost. This guy is not an NFL coach.

  32. The Genius – in the old Foxboro Stadium there was a back stairway to Grier’s office – it totally bypassed Carroll’s office; players like Terry Glenn could (and usually did) go literally behind Carroll’s back to Grier’s office to gripe about Carroll disciplining them; Grier would then overrule Carroll.

  33. @mwcarolina
    “i don’t think he left them in a mess” You’re absolutely right, mw. The possibility of NCAA sanctions over Bush and McKnight isn’t really a mess at all is it? Does anyone out there honestly believe that Carroll had no idea about cash, cars, and houses? A program with less of a profile would have already been on probation over this.

  34. Mrsteve says:
    June 3, 2010 11:29 AM
    Interesting that now they aren’t stealing signals anymore the almighty PATS are regressing
    Hard to throw 50 td’s when Brady doesn’t now the exact defense 90% of the time
    *******************************************
    Except he threw 50 touchdowns after spy gate came out.
    Dumbass!

  35. All of you idiots need to read the entire article before making your negative comments. You people crack me up. You talk about how bad the articles are here and then you only read the brief summary here and believe every word. If you read the article, you would see that Pete takes all of the blame for his bad seasons in New England. So, morons and Seahawk haters, either stop talking about how bad the reporting is here or read the entire article for yourselves.

  36. Carroll’s probably not completely wrong – the Krafts would likely admit that they learned from their mistakes during the Parcells and Carroll eras
    But Carroll deserves most of the blame himself – it’s his call to discipline players, and he didn’t have the guts to do so
    One game in particular, before coaches could call time outs, he desparately signaled to Drew Bledsoe to call a time out during a critical goal line stand.
    Bledsoe looked right at Carroll and ignored him, calling a play that resulted in a TD. Carroll let that insubordination slide, and it was apparent from then on that the players had no respect for their coach and that he was on his way out.
    If that were Parcells or Belichick, Bledsoe would have been benched, regardless of the outcome of the play… and no one would ever again overrule their coach.

  37. I never did understand why when people talk about Pete Carroll’s tenure at New England they see nothing but “horrible”….
    I recall New England being horrible before Carroll got there to coach them up, and in my opinion they were much better ever since then.
    27 and 21 isn’t exactly elite… but it’s also not exactly bottom feeder status either…
    As a Broncos fan I could only wish that the last 3 years we were 27 and 21… at least one of those years would have been a playoff year…

  38. Pete!!!…Honey please!
    Your jet and Patriot teams led the league in lack of discipline and penalties…just like your USC teams
    Every pro game you coached had ’12 men on field’ penalties…not the new version of it either….In other words, you were a poor coach.
    Only reason you won @ USC is because you make a good impression w/all the mommies out there when recruiting.
    Your cheerleader act won’t work in NFL.

  39. The Pats sucked in Billicheats first year so I’m guessing it was the personal that caused them to suck-also both Tom Coughlin and Dick Vermeil were both successful in college and the pros and one is a hard ass and the other was a players coach so I’m wondering why everyone thinks all coaches should act the same? Is Jim Caldwell a great coach or is he benefitting from a great QB in Peyton Manning?Carroll already proved he won’t let players walk over him by releasing White so that argument he’s a players coach kind of falls apart

  40. @jeremy f wrote: “I recall New England being horrible before Carroll got there to coach them up, and in my opinion they were much better ever since then.”
    They went to the Super Bowl before he was there to “coach them up”. He took a Super Bowl team to 10-6 to 9-7 to 8-8. Belichick gutted the team and won less than 6 games the following year and some Boston media morons were calling for Belichick’s head. Subsequently, the Patriots won the Super Bowls and are still a very good team. It is hard to blame Kraft for not giving Pete Carroll “total control” in 1997 that he gave Belichick in 2000. Kraft already had a history with Belichick, who should have gotten the job in 1997 because he was assistant head coach in 1996 and more qualified than Carroll. Kraft screwed up the whole post Parcells period until he got rid of Carroll.

  41. Mrsteve says:
    June 3, 2010 2:15 PM
    Sloan, don’t you have to go suck on Ferris?
    Brady got the majority of those against most of the the teams they already knew the signals dumbass
    *****************************************
    This statement shows who the dumbass is!
    And then he actually quotes Joey Porter.

  42. @ Mrsteve
    And here is one more thing to chew on.
    The whole incident went down at half time of the first game of the season.
    That means there were 15 games left in the regular season after that, if the other teams were worried the Patriots had or new there defensive signals wouldn’t they have changed them?
    Moron!!

  43. A lot of revisionist history by both Pats fans and Pats haters here. But the best comment was made by KevinC; people need to read the original column and not just PFT’s summary before commenting. This applies not just to this story, but probably every thread on this site.
    @Citizen Strange: Patriots (Dick Rehbein specifically) scouted and worked out Brady. Belichick and Pioli nearly drafted him in the previous round, but correctly gambled that he would still be available later. Even before the Mo Lewis hit Belichick was considering a change at QB (read Education of a Coach.) In addition he made the decision to stick with Brady after Bledsoe was cleared to play, though most of the media was second guessing him for that decision. You make it sound like the staff got around to the 6th round pick, thumbed through a draft preview magazine and picked a name out of a hat.
    Lastly, one player alone doesn’t change a team from 5-11 to winning three Super Bowls. The Detroit Lions had Barry Sanders, why did their team not do better? Teams need to do well evaluating personnel, and not just in the first round. Teams that win year in and year out (Colts, Steelers, Eagles, etc.) have the best talent evaluators, teams that are constantly up and down (or constantly down) have the worst. It’s not luck, it’s better talent in the front office.
    @SnowCrash7: Kraft nearly hired Belichick after Parcells left, but was reluctant to do so because he thought he was a ‘Parcells guy’. He ended up hiring him three years later because he liked his philosophy on how to win in the NFL by managing the salary cap, and staying competitive year after year by avoiding cap hell. The result is nine straight winning seasons, during which the only times the team has missed the playoffs it came down to a division title tiebreaker. Why in the world would you want to ‘blow up’ such a successful business model?
    @MrSteve: Brady has averaged 39 touchdowns per year since it stopped, but averaged 24 per year when the videotaping occurred. Seems to me if anything that alleged knowledge was holding him back.
    @ Jeremy F: the Pats were not horrible prior to Carroll’s arrival; they were the defending AFC champs and had been to the playoffs two of the three previous seasons. They won less games than the previous season three consecutive times with Carroll as head coach. Fans were disappointed because the team was getting worse, not better. Though as several others have pointed out, the primary culprit was not Carroll but Bobby Grier. On a side note, as some others have mentioned Belichick has had the benefit of the Kraft’s sticking to the business side of football and leaving the football decisions to the football people – something that they did not do early in their ownership.

  44. Am I the only one to think that Carroll sounds a lot like Steve Spurrier when he was with the Redskins? I have a feeling this will turn out the same

  45. Guess what Pete…
    when you are a pussy you get walked on….
    Love Robert Kraft…

  46. Mrsteve says:
    June 3, 2010 11:29 AM
    Interesting that now they aren’t stealing signals anymore the almighty PATS are regressing
    Hard to throw 50 td’s when Brady doesn’t now the exact defense 90% of the time
    Ummmm….Brady threw 50 TD’s AFTER spygate you idiot…

  47. For the billionth time:
    Pete Carroll was not fired. Wiki is a great source but it’s very wrong here. Pete had a 3 year deal and he served 3 years as head coach. At the conclusion of his third year, an 8-8 finish, the team and Pete didn’t reach a contract extension and he left the team. It’s not the fracking same. It’s like saying that Julius Peppers got fired from the Panthers or Brett Farve got fired from the Jets. NO!!!! A contract was signed and honored by both parties.
    He was a weak nfl head coach a decade ago and in a season or two he’ll still be a weak nfl head coach. Dont everyone be surprised when he pulls a Nick Sabin and darts for Ann Arbor and The University of Michigan.

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