Clarification of Goodell's comments doesn't go over well in Pittsburgh

So while I was driving to Baltimore and then taking a train to New York City and then walking from Penn Station to Grand Central Station and then somehow developing in that modest distance despite wearing shoes I’ve had for months a blister that promptly tore off and created the Curt Schilling effect on my sock (it’s not as dramatic when wearing jeans . . . and when the sock is dark blue) and then taking a train to Milford, Connecticut for Friday’s guest-hosting duties on The Dan Patrick Show, Commissioner Roger Goodell inadvertently created some confusion regarding the specific duration of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger’s suspension, which the league office has since clarified.

The problem?  Even though it has been clear from the outset that Roethlisberger has been suspended six games and that the suspension can be cut to four games, those of us in the media who should know that the minimum length of the suspension will be four games should have recognized that Goodell was making a dramatic departure from his pronounced decision before publishing the notion that Roethlisberger will be suspended fewer than four games.

In the aftermath of the misunderstanding caused by someone asking a question he should have known the answer to and then not ensuring that, somehow, the suspension could be fewer than four games, a least one PIttsburgh reporter is directing his frustration at the league office, and at Goodell.

Here’s what Jim Wexell of SteelCityInsider.com had to say, via Twitter:  “Goodell’s worthless lawyer schlub pals now saying
he was unclear with answers because of poor questions.  Um, not this
time.  Crystal clear.”

Wexell also chided the idea that Roethlisberger must “satisfy requirements” before having his suspension cut by 33 percent.  Satisfy
requirements?” Wexell wrote.  “Just say you’re making the dog do tricks for you, Roger.”

Wexell also referred to Goodell as a “phony” for not answering some of the questions about Roethlisberger.

Look, we’re quick to criticize the league office or the NFLPA or any team, coach, or player if we think it’s justified.  In this case, the only failure came from the reporters — and none of them should be complaining about the situation.  Instead, at least one of them should be apologizing for creating the mess by not knowing the terms of the suspension, and by not recognizing immediately that, at worst, Goodell misunderstood the question or misspoke.

Meanwhile, we’re expecting Goodell to join The Dan Patrick Show for a few minutes on Friday, once we can work a few minutes into his schedule.  I could ask him about the specifics regarding Roethlisberger’s suspension, and perhaps I will.  But anyone who has been paying attention knows that the suspension is six games, and that it can be cut to four.

103 responses to “Clarification of Goodell's comments doesn't go over well in Pittsburgh

  1. The reporter knew the suspension terms, you dolt…but when Goodell praised Ben for going “above and beyond” in his reparations it prompted the reporter to ask if the suspension might be reduced even further due to Ben’s extra effort. Really, not an illogical or absurd assumption.
    Get the whole story before you start spouting your righteous indignation!
    You make me tired…

  2. So…..When Ben hit the practice field, and all those Stiller fans. men and women alike screamed like schoolgirls……It kinda reminded one of when the Beatles first came to America, and you had all those teenage girls, crying, hysterical and passing out…Picture that in Latrobe but with grown men, wearing wife beaters, jean shorts and striped tube socks, it’s no wonder they are pissed…..

  3. gee florio, wipe your chin, skinnerbox on faux will have o’reilly’s goons come after you for messing with her man. i guess that is what happens when you go from being a rumor monger, to a league insider. with sources and contacts at the top…you have to blow when they say blow. just wipe your chin afterwards, even in august, walking around n.y. with goodell gumdrops on your chin is unseemly.

  4. HJC
    There is not a single piece of evidence to support that statement.
    If you hate…just say you hate…

  5. Wexell also chided the idea that Roethlisberger must “satisfy requirements” before having his suspension cut by 33 percent. “Satisfy requirements?” Wexell wrote. “Just say you’re making the dog do tricks for you, Roger.”
    *******************************
    You know, it didn’t seem to be a problem when Goodell put “requirements” on Pacman Jones and others that were suspended before they could come back. If he thinks that Goodell is being unfair then either he’s letting his Steeler biases show or he just chooses to forget that he’s required it of others.

  6. HJC:
    A rapist?
    Where’s your proof? Two accusations equal a rapist? The first woman bragged about it for months, then made the acusation a year later. The second woman stated to police twice that she was in a “sitting position” when Ben raped her. Explain that one. Then she asked the DA not to press charges. Sound like a rape victim?
    I know the haters don’t need any proof, but if Ben is guilty of rape, so are half the guys in fraternity houses (past and present).
    Regrettable sex is not a crime.

  7. someone needs to tell me what in bens life has changed. in 2 months he has changed you mean he has raped no one the only thing he did was lose weight going around kissing children when before he would not give them the time of day what a phony drams queen

  8. I agree with flake: Given that Goodell arbirarily determined Ben’s suspension of 6/4, he needs no approval to modify it if he considers that Ben has done much more than asked. It is within his authority to shorten it as well as lengthen it. The suspension was not manadated by any pre-existing schedule as are PED suspensions.

  9. What happend to all the squealer fans that loathed Ben for what he did????
    Now that the season is almost here, he should play, and he didn’t real do anything, etc…
    Now doubt Ben will be back to “Big Ben”in no time flat and you can all complain about him again…
    I don’t care, just don’t put up this big front like you are appalled and want to run him out of town becuase the squealers stand for more than other teams and then make him a hero the first day of camp…. and before I hear it….Ray Lewis and DOnte Stallworth are no better…

  10. How many games Did Vick get his cut to and thats after getting LOCKED UP AND PLACED IN JAIL . Look at how many black players been locked up put in cuffs and didn’t even get a talking to never mine suspension. Lets see guns beating up knocked up gf dwis drugs and the list gose on . Ben never locked up no charges 6 games Goodell playing a race card

  11. Florio’s non-stop public washing of Kommisar Goodell’s balls makes me wish that Al Gore would uninvent the internet.

  12. C.bass and flake
    Dudes I’m with you. Steeler fan here as well.
    I was just mocking the brain-dead steelers haters who constantly repeat this mantra “BEN IS A RAPIST” no matter what the issue. It’s like a panacea for them. No matter what ails them, if they just say these four word, they feel better.
    Basically I wanted to preempt them by throwing the phrase out there first to point out how idiotic and shallow they are.
    Go Steelers!

  13. “ravenfan820 says: August 5, 2010 6:05 PM
    What happend to all the squealer fans that loathed Ben for what he did????”
    People with low intellects have short attention spans.
    Not that I’m directing that specifically at Steeler fans….it’s just that the average person doesn’t remember how mad they were 10 minutes ago, let alone months ago.
    The same thing happened with Michael Vick.

  14. ravenfan820
    You are right. the first reaction here in pittsburgh was disgust–people wanted him gone. They had always known he was a jagoff, but rape is a different matter.
    But once the evidence started coming out:
    –That she initially told the cop he didn’t rape her
    –That no seaman was found anywhere…
    –That she couldn’t even remember what position they were in…
    –That her and her friends accounts conflicted and changed…
    –That the girl in Nevada had admitted in EMails that she and Ben had consensual sex..
    After all that came out most people in Pittsburgh decided that he wasn’t a rapist…just the same old super bowl-winning jagoff he always was…
    …and that seems to be okay.
    After all, by your own admission look what the people of Baltimore are able to rationalize.

  15. Ben is probably going to enjoy having those games off at the beginning of the season.
    It’s got to be better than getting his ass knocked in the dirt, when that creampuff offensive line collapses on a regular basis.
    Hell, it may just force him to go out on the road and begin another skank-fest.

  16. What in the holy hell is going on with that first sentence/paragraph? Talk about friggin amateur hour.

  17. Ravenfan820
    I also forgot:
    –That by her own admission she never actually told him to stop.
    –and since these non-suspensions to Young and Benson have been decided, Steeler fans are feeling a little picked-on. 4-6 games having never been charged of anything…
    …and yet they have video of Young slugging someone in a strip club…and Benson is a repeat, repeat offender.
    It doesn’t seem fair…and Steeler fans are pissed.

  18. Big Ben haters are all the same, no proof, just hate. Idiots talk that way, stupid ignorant people. In the world of a hater, anything goes.

  19. Pacman Jones had multiple arrests and convictions and was involved in two shootings in a four-month period before receiving his first NFL suspension. Roethlisberger brought much of this on himself by using the judgment of a 13-year-old. But unlike Jones, he’s never been arrested, charged, or spent one day in criminal court, and was never before disciplined by the league. NOR has he committed a crime–as the DA made CLEAR. Anyone comparing those cases shouldn’t talk about others wearing fan glasses.
    Yes, Florio, seasoned sports reporters should understand the terms of the suspension. And they surely should know better than to fall for Goodell’s doublespeak. But it is mind-boggling to watch Mr. Stainless Shield babble about ethics regarding a guy falsely accused of rape while drinking legally in a club … but he apparently has no concerns about a guy falsely accused of rape while SOLICITING TWO PROSTITUTES. Nor does he have a problem with another marquee QB with previous disciplinary issues assaulting someone. So you’ll have to forgive the reporters for being a bit jaded.
    As a PFT reader, I’m used to the nauseating hypocrisy of moralists who feign objectivity with a straight face while drawing comparisons between guys with no criminal background and those w/records as long as my arm. They’re the same tough guys who’d eviscerate a real rape survivor on the pretense of defending a DTF when it’s really all about football rivalries.
    I’ll admit being lucky enough to know people who worked the Georgia case. But even without that information and insight, I understood when the DA said he hoped the accuser and her friends learned their lesson. And so would anyone else interested in facts rather than grinding axes.
    The only justice here is that this wakeup call may convince a reckless QB to straighten out his life before he kills himself … and the people that woman has to deal with regularly in her own community KNOW she’s not a victim.

  20. “flake13 says:
    –That no seaman was found anywhere…”
    They should have looked down by the docks, there are plenty of those squirmy buggers down there.

  21. I love all these dumb Steelers fans laying out the reasons why Ben is not guilty of rape (or sexual abuse, let’s say…) Every one of them is dumb enough to fall for our trollery each and every day. It reminds me of a wise-ass kid walking into a comic book convention and saying “Superman can’t actually fly!” and having all the nerds and dweebs tripping over themselves to explain why “Yuh-huh, Superman can so fly!! You’re lying!”, while furiously spitting through their retainers, and giving long, bulletpointed lists of reasons Superman can fly.
    You guys are gullible as hell and I love watching you waste your time furiously pounding your keyboards, typing detailed, angry, multi-paragraph responses to people who are yanking your chain in the hopes of getting you to do exactly what you’re doing. Suckers.
    PS- He raped her.

  22. I think a lot of people are missing the point of the suspension. Ben put himself in that situation twice after being warned by the league when the 1st incident happened. He is a franchise QB that plays for a big market team. Not that I am defending Goodell because I think he has left a lot open to argument. It is very difficult to tell what warrants a suspension under what ever system he is using. For example I thought Vick should have been suspended. After all he already has a history of misconduct and like Ben, he placed himself in a bad situation but thats just my opinion.

  23. Goodell should expand it to 8 just because he can. When he is asked why he did expand it to 8 games he should say “Because I can you dolts!”

  24. I like how CBass defined it as regettable sex………Only in PittsBurgh is sex regrettable…..too damn FUNNY

  25. “trickbunny says: August 5, 2010 6:56 PM
    I love all these dumb Steelers fans laying out the reasons why Ben is not guilty of rape (or sexual abuse, let’s say…) Every one of them is dumb enough to fall for our trollery each and every day. ”
    At least Deb, in her usual 4 page dismissal, didn’t seem (I didn’t actually read it because I value my IQ) to play her usual “I’m a victim of multiple rapes so when I say his behavior is ok, it means it is” card.

  26. trickbunny
    It’s no problem at all responding to all these inane Steeler hater comments. I had to have something to do with my hands while my hot Asian girlfriend was performing fellatio on me.

  27. Hell deb…….don’t be jealous a young coed jacked on Captain Morgan got further with the steel city rapist then you did……..And i also know people involved witht he case…………..LMAO…………..This is like when Vox said he sat at games with The Skelator himself

  28. Gee Florio, could you be any more transparent? It’s agonizingly painful that this story was written so you could keep talking about filling in for Dan Patrick.
    What a Putz!

  29. Deb says:
    Pacman Jones had multiple arrests and convictions and was involved in two
    ****************************
    Big DEAL, he’s imposed conditions on guys who hadn’t been in trouble before so don’t cry me a river about how Ben’s being singled out. When guys haven’t met the restrictions, he’s kept the suspension in place and when they have, he’s reduced the suspension.

  30. Abe Elam of the Cleveland Browns is the only rapist in the AFC north division. Look it up if you don’t believe me. Browns fans can practice yelling SHE SAID NO all year long when he runs out onto the field; this way when the Steelers play there the last game they will all be able to say it at the same time.

  31. All you Stiller supporters are right. Roethlisburger is just like all those other target-on-their-back professional athletes twice-accused of rape in less than one year. You know…all those other guys that it happens to all the time. Who were they again?

  32. I wish Deb would stop her LONG winded PR campaign for the Rapist, and be more rational, and accurate like Connie is

  33. Ben and Favre should get together, one texts pix of his junk and the other walks around with his junk hanging out, that’s worth the 4 games right there.

  34. I’m a Steeler fan and I still want Roethlisberger traded to the Raiders or worse. Ben has been playing Steeler coaches, fans, teammates and league officials like a piano his whole career. Its amazes me that these homer Steeler fans dont see a pattern. Ben acts one way on the surface to get what he wants then behind closed doors the Real Ben comes out. I cant wait till he has all that time on his hands during the 4 game suspension- I cant wait till Ben the Bser breaks all you diehard Roethlisberger fans’ hearts. I will be here to say told you so, that is unless Deb gets me banned (Yes, she is staff here)

  35. Isn’t it strange how Ben is the only football player to have multiple rape accusations………Ya I am sure that is just a coincidence. Huh…
    Classy Guy, Classy franchise.

  36. @Deb:
    I can honestly tell you that you are the most profoundly repetitive and boring woman it has been my pleasure to avoid meeting.
    How you ever got through law school, while working at WalMart, and hauling those eight kids around to soccer practice and band camp, I will never know.
    You are an amazing woman.
    Now…get back to that ironing board.

  37. flake13 says: August 5, 2010 7:21 PM
    trickbunny
    It’s no problem at all responding to all these inane Steeler hater comments. I had to have something to do with my hands while my hot Asian girlfriend was performing fellatio on me.
    _____________________________________
    She charges by the hour doesn’t she?

  38. Florio,
    When you write like this its very hard for us stoners to comprehend. I just got really confused trying to read it. Santonio Holmes would be jacked. Try using periods and not trying to cram a book into each sentence. Maybe you should learn a little pittsburghese.
    -Josh

  39. @TryTheVeal …
    I wouldn’t believe it, either 🙂 But waaay back when this thing started, I posted that I had a connection there who couldn’t discuss an open investigation. I’m not special like Vox 😉 It was just pure dumb coincidence.
    Tried to ask you this once but the thread was dead. You’re a guy, right? After reading some of your recent posts, I’m thinking my “Ms. Baby Heiffer” stuff was bizarre gender confusion. tryagain is female, so must have confused you two at some point. Why didn’t you correct me, dude? Wasn’t intentional. LOL

  40. @Burning River …
    My secret: not marrying a Clevelander.
    1. Since other communities weren’t just voted most unliveable city, I found better employment than Wal-Mart.
    2. Since other cities have heard of birth control, I wasn’t stuck w/8 kids.
    3. Since men from other communities have higher IQs, I don’t have to be repetitive.
    4. People outside Cleveland have better-paying jobs, so I can afford dry cleaning. Don’t own an ironing board.

  41. @onlymyopinionmatters …
    Sorry, but in all my writing and editing courses, I missed the one that taught how to write in a single run-on sentence without punctuation, capitalization, grammar, or logic. And those journalism professors were sticklers for fact-checking. But now that you’ve found your intellectual soulmate, I hope you’ll be very happy.

  42. @ LvSteelersH8Ben
    So he is a bit if entitled dick of a jock like most pro-atheles. They cant all be Troy. I know that breaks your heart because your from the older generation of chivalry. You dumbasses that think Ben should be dumped are retarded. Please go away.

  43. Hi My name is Deb;
    I like to write looooooooooong posts as an attempt to convince everyone I am very smart. I am an attorney, and know many important people connected to criminal cases.
    I am also a multiple rape “survivor”, and I will remind everyone of that honor at least 3 times daily.
    My hobbies are pretending to be someone I am not, being pulled into a nasty bar bathroom by Big Ben, and making excuses for Ben and trying to convince you people he is a Saint.
    My goal in life is to have a thressome with Mike Tomlin and the Rapist and spawn their b@stard children. Of course I will “survive” that “rape” also

  44. # flake13 says: August 5, 2010 8:11 PM
    Badthing
    It doesn’t matter. You couldn’t afford her flipping burgers at McDonalds.
    _____________________________________
    So I will take that as a yes.

  45. Credabilty=Zero…..But then again, maybe you actually work for the Stillers……..And by the way, it was my uncle on the grassy knoll, my nephew who hit the challenger with a bottle rocket, and my second cousin who swores he saw WMD’s in Iraq……Like you no one believed me

  46. @edge …
    If I were going to cry a river, I’d rather go to death row and cry on the shoulder of a convicted serial killer than cry to you. I like knowing what I’m dealing with.
    I’ve had a clear understanding from day one that Roethlisberger’s suspension would last a minimum of four weeks and have NEVER complained about it. My complaint is that Goodell has ignored comparable incidents of “staining the shield” because no widescale press was involved.
    Just flabbergasted that you’d rag on others about fan glasses given your moral lapses and pitiful comparison of someone w/no record prior to suspension to someone who’d had years of criminal and disciplinary complaints and was suspended for yet another criminal charge.
    But like the saying goes, once people show you who they are, believe them.

  47. badthing says:
    August 5, 2010 7:50 PM
    Isn’t it strange how Ben is the only football player to have multiple rape accusations……… Ya I am sure that is just a coincidence. Huh…
    Classy Guy, Classy franchise.
    __________________________
    um no he’s not the only one but good try loser!
    You Cowboy fans know who I am talking about and one of the ladies in question actually went to prison for a false allegation!

  48. @TFBuckFutter …
    Wow, I know that made little you feel like a big man. You should be able to hit the wife extra hard tonight.

  49. # queenie says: August 5, 2010 8:48 PM
    badthing says:
    August 5, 2010 7:50 PM
    Isn’t it strange how Ben is the only football player to have multiple rape accusations……… Ya I am sure that is just a coincidence. Huh…
    Classy Guy, Classy franchise.
    ____________________ ______
    um no he’s not the only one but good try loser!
    You Cowboy fans know who I am talking about and one of the ladies in question actually went to prison for a false allegation!
    ____________________________________
    I am not a Cowboys fan so queenie please tell what Cowboy was accused of two rapes in the last year?

  50. flake13 says:
    August 5, 2010 7:21 PM
    trickbunny
    It’s no problem at all responding to all these inane Steeler hater comments. I had to have something to do with my hands while my hot Asian girlfriend was performing fellatio on me.
    ————————————————–
    If your Asian blow-up doll’s –oops, I mean girlfriend’s- blowjobs bore you enough that you need something else to do while she’s blowing you, she’s not very good at it. If she was, you could think of a few better places to put your hands. But does it really matter, considerign you’re describing your fantasy instead of reality?
    Another Steelers fan walks straight into one. What is it with you guys? 🙂

  51. Just get rid of this guy.
    He’s a jerk at best and a rapist at worst.
    Once bitten twice shy.
    He’s hit it twice.
    Once – bullshit is possible.
    Twice?
    Rapist alert.

  52. Steeler fans need to quit whining because they can’t cheat their way out of this one. EVERYONE knew when the suspension came out he was only going to get 4 games, even though he is exposing himself on golf courses (I guess that is going above and beyond). I personally have thought Goddell has needed replaced since he took over, games in London, I would be upset if I was a season ticket holder. Moving games to the NFL network which isnt available in most major cable networks, as far as I know its only available on satellite. BOTTOM LINE, we can all agree that Goddell needs replaced.

  53. “# Deb says: August 5, 2010 8:48 PM
    @TFBuckFutter …
    Wow, I know that made little you feel like a big man. You should be able to hit the wife extra hard tonight.”
    I would but she’s on her period, and you (of course, being from the deep deep ignorant south) know what the Bible says about that.
    No “hitting” is going to occur for 3 to 5 days. In fact, I’m pretty sure your church will be pushing a law about that sooner or later too.

  54. Well, Goodell is on his “Sell The 18 Game Season” tour to all the NFL teams. Apparently, this Jim Wexell caught Goodell at a moment when Goodell was warming up his sales pitch. Goodell had a momentary loss of priorities.
    Steeler fans are trying to move on. We’re just hoping that eventually the morbid fascination for Ben’s past will abate.
    GO STEELERS!

  55. badthing says:
    August 5, 2010 7:50 PM
    Isn’t it strange how Ben is the only football player to have multiple rape accusations……… Ya I am sure that is just a coincidence. Huh…
    Classy Guy, Classy franchise.
    ********************************
    Accusation being the key word dumbass.
    But we should trade him. Even if not guilty, we don’t need a loser like him despite those with a crush on him.

  56. JapDouds says: August 5, 2010 10:09 PM
    badthing says:
    August 5, 2010 7:50 PM
    Isn’t it strange how Ben is the only football player to have multiple rape accusations……… Ya I am sure that is just a coincidence. Huh…
    Classy Guy, Classy franchise.
    ******************** ************
    Accusation being the key word dumbass.
    ——————————————
    I think “multiple” was the key word.
    Hell, even Kobe only has ONE.

  57. Deb says:
    @edge …
    *******************
    Moral lapses? KMA, lady. If he were from Cleveland, you’d be writing your SCOTUS briefs to send him to prison but since he’s cuddly, wuddly, lovable Benny Wenny, you’re fighting tooth and nail to keep him from one second of punishment and then trying to validate your biased messages by saying that others have stained the shield but never got punished (A lie but what the hell, why let the truth get in the way of a good rant, right).
    This boob needed to be punished for his own good because he was out of control and sooner or later, he’d go just far enough that even his own celebrity wouldn’t get him out of it. I don’t give a rat’s ass whether he’s guilty or not because what he has been is out of control and he’s put the season for a $1 bil company in jeopardy by his actions and if you can’t understand that then there’s no need to talk any further. He won’t be the first person that Goodell has put conditions on and he won’t be the last. You just won’t take off your Steeler goggles to see the truth.

  58. @Apetits …
    Taking a short break. Just sharpening the talons before I go.
    @TryTheVeal …
    swores????
    Let me get this straight:
    “I wouldn’t believe it, either. But when this thing started, posted I had a connection there who couldn’t discuss an open investigation. I’m not special. It was just pure dumb coincidence.”
    You read THAT as me desperately trying to sell you on my, um, “credability”? Omigosh, that’s hysterical!!!
    Poor gender-confused baby heiffer, tsk tsk. I may get carried away on some legal issues. But won’t be losing sleep over what anonymous idiots on a Web site think of “Deb’s” credibility ROFLOLOL
    Yeah … I bet you have a lot of relatives in space and on the grassy knoll LOLOL

  59. As with the rantings of most bigots, your stereotype of me is off the mark, BuckFutter.
    This Southern evangelical believes the Constitution should be equally applied to ALL Americans. And whatever the individual beliefs of its members, my church doesn’t occupy its collective energy or funds with secular politics–or peeping into people’s bedrooms.
    I apologize for the comment about your wife. I chose to post my rape history on PFT. Just because a guy who preaches how enlightened he is gets off on ridiculing it over a trivial football grudge doesn’t mean I have to crawl into the gutter with him. Whatever gets you through the night.

  60. long post..apologize in advance.
    I think Ben is a corn hole. One great thing about being a Steeler fan is that we just don’t have to deal with corn hole players very often (here’s looking at you bengals). The management prides themselves on it. I wrote the Rooney’s a letter. Trade the Big ASS I said. But that being said, I just can’t accuse the man of rape. being a BIG ASS, sure, but rape…come on. even you pee-pees who keep the “she said no” and “ben is a rapist” thing going no damn well that it just doesn’t add up. not one piece of DNA evidence hours after the incident; and the interviews with DTF…just pitiful. He’s a tard, but he isn’t the incarnate soul of a raper anymore than 90 percent of you morons that felt up a drunk chick in college are…you all know it.
    here’s the best part though. seeing him in camp… well, he’s going to come out of this a machine focused on the rest of the AFC north’s destruction. call it channeling anger. Mark it. Big Ben is going to sore to new heights on the field this year. Maybe I should of just chilled like the Rooneys, they always seem to make the right decisions. prepare to lose…losers
    GO DIXON

  61. “But anyone who has been paying attention knows that the suspension is six games, and that it can be cut to four.”
    >>>>>>
    Except apparently Roger Goodell. Otherwise, why wouldn’t he have just stated as much?
    I like the way Roger started out as commish but he’s turned into a flip-flopping goof. He and DeSmith make a great pair.

  62. Goodell is phony cheap whore. He is ruining our great league. He has what i call “The God Complex”. He has no ryme or reason to what he says and does……he’s reactive, not proactive…….and the way he screwed the playoff overtime rules up is criminal……i hate the bastard……the last 2 commishs we had were outstanding…….this guy is a straight up joke….and he looks like a whimpy pu$$…..i bet you can lean over toward his face and say “BOO” and that scaredy cat whimp would jump 10 feet in the air and cry like a baby…….lets send his whimpy a$$ across the middle and let Darren Sharper lay one good ole remember-me shot on his a$$…….then we won’t have to worry about that loser messin up our league anymore……

  63. # JapDouds says: August 5, 2010 10:09 PM
    badthing says:
    August 5, 2010 7:50 PM
    Isn’t it strange how Ben is the only football player to have multiple rape accusations……… Ya I am sure that is just a coincidence. Huh…
    Classy Guy, Classy franchise.
    ******************** ************
    Accusation being the key word dumbass.
    But we should trade him. Even if not guilty, we don’t need a loser like him despite those with a crush on him.
    ____________________________________
    So by your answer we can assume that Ben is the ONLY player in this situation huh………dumbass.
    Also, you’re admitting you have a crush on Ben???

  64. lol @badthing(s)
    Trying to re-invent yourself with a name change? Didn’t work, you’re still a crap poster.

  65. Ben refocused? Steeler fans come on brethren? WHEN has Ben ever Been a grat qb? You think he has been holding back for 6 seasons? He is what he is, a unorthodox, slow to read defense, dumb qb. Do you think all of a sudden he going to be the second coming of Manning? Roethlisberger has never put together 4 straight good games in his whole career. He is a fundamental nightmare. He is sloppy and it will only get worse with age. Put Ben on the Lions and he is Jake Plummer. What Ben have you guys been watching? Go ahead, can anyone name 4 good games in a row in the career of Roethlisberger? You cant. Because it hasnt happened and it wont. He is what he is, INCONSISTENT AS HELL.

  66. @edge …
    Guess you’ve missed my posts defending Ray Lewis and saying Stallworth shouldn’t be called a murderer. The principles don’t change just because a rival team is involved, and the jersey he wears doesn’t have anything to do with a man’s guilt or innocence. I don’t expect you to get that.
    Can’t blame these guys for ranting about my long post. Coming from you, it’s ridiculous. Self-awareness really isn’t your thing, is it?

  67. Bdrunk says: August 6, 2010 10:20 AM
    lol @badthing(s)
    Trying to re-invent yourself with a name change? Didn’t work, you’re still a crap poster.
    _____________________________________
    “you’re a crap poster”……how eloquent of you Bdrunk. I eagerly await your next thought provoking post. I am learning so much.

  68. Deb says:
    @edge …
    Guess you’ve missed my posts defending Ray Lewis and saying Stallworth shouldn’t be called a murderer.
    ****************************
    Yes, I have missed 99.99999999999999999999999999% of your posts. Once I see the first one, I move on.
    It’s NOT about the length of your posts but the fact that you try to make LEGAL briefs out of your posts like the guys who go before the Supreme Court or SCOTUS. Apparently self awareness isn’t YOUR thing. I think it’s fine that you defend Ben against rape because the evidence doesn’t show it (But I don’t think he’s innocent just like I don’t think that OJ was innocent) but you’re really out of your mind to whine about the punishment and the restrictions.

  69. badthing says:
    August 6, 2010 9:36 AM
    Also, you’re admitting you have a crush on Ben???
    —————————
    Eloquence?
    “NEENER NEENER YOU HAVE A CRUSH ON BEN LOLOL!!”
    Way to contribute…

  70. Bdrunk says: August 6, 2010 2:26 PM
    badthing says:
    August 6, 2010 9:36 AM
    Also, you’re admitting you have a crush on Ben???
    ——————– ——-
    Eloquence?
    “NEENER NEENER YOU HAVE A CRUSH ON BEN LOLOL!!”
    Way to contribute..
    ____________________________________
    Another stellar post! Kudos to you sir. With posts like this, Robert Ethen, better watch out.

  71. badthing says:
    August 6, 2010 3:09 PM
    Another stellar post! Kudos to you sir. With posts like this, Robert Ethen, better watch out.
    —————–
    You’ve already lost this battle son. You prove it by trying to besmirch the good name of Robert Ethan out of the clear blue yonder. Aside from a few folks who couldn’t crack your name change code, you fail at trolling, posting, and heck i’ll bet even simple conversation. You should just watch football (that’s the sport with the oblong ball) and enjoy the pretty colors, and NOT try to discuss it. Tell ya what tho, work is letting out for me soon, I’ll go home and get some RnR, leaving you with ALL WEEKEND to come up with anything remotely entertaining, “eloquent”, and/or “stellar” to post. I’ll check back in on Monday and see how you did. K?

  72. A whole day later and still nobody can name 4 games in a row that Ben has produced. Telling

  73. “Deb says: August 5, 2010 11:05 PM
    As with the rantings of most bigots, your stereotype of me is off the mark, BuckFutter.
    This Southern evangelical”
    Hahaha.
    Yeah. CLEARLY I was way off base in assuming that, in addition to being a run-of-the-mill lunatic, you were also a church goer.
    You are such a stereotype it’s hilarious.
    (And for the record, I’ve never ridiculed your history….I’ve ridiculed YOU because if what you claim about your past is true, it makes you a heinous heinous bitch for being so hateful to women who ARE assaulted because they weren’t violated to the same degree you were. And also because you deem it to be their fault. You are just an awful person whose opinions do more harm than good, which makes you more than useless to society.)

  74. # Bdrunk says: August 6, 2010 3:46 PM
    badthing says:
    August 6, 2010 3:09 PM
    Another stellar post! Kudos to you sir. With posts like this, Robert Ethen, better watch out.
    —————–
    You’ve already lost this battle son. You prove it by trying to besmirch the good name of Robert Ethan out of the clear blue yonder. Aside from a few folks who couldn’t crack your name change code, you fail at trolling, posting, and heck i’ll bet even simple conversation. You should just watch football (that’s the sport with the oblong ball) and enjoy the pretty colors, and NOT try to discuss it. Tell ya what tho, work is letting out for me soon, I’ll go home and get some RnR, leaving you with ALL WEEKEND to come up with anything remotely entertaining, “eloquent”, and/or “stellar” to post. I’ll check back in on Monday and see how you did. K?
    ____________________________________
    A little testy aren’t you bdrunk?

  75. @edge …
    You skip my posts but still comment on them. Okay.
    At least I only write “SCOTUS” briefs on my team, not every thread. Don’t have your free time.
    Never once whined about Ben’s suspension. I SUPPORT the suspension. He earned it being a jackass, and needed the wakeup call.
    I complain that Goodell preaches high moral standards but only applies them when it’s in his interest or the media is watching … much the way you claim to be a hero but have no honor when it comes to rival fans and teams.

  76. Buckfutter, you brought my religion/regional identity into it, so it’s bizarre to now claim I’m not a Southern evangelical. I’ve mentioned many times being a Bible teacher and being on the political left. And left-wing Southern evangelicals are not stereotypical. All my PFT posts have been consistent. This is my life, these are my thoughts, and they don’t change depending on the team involved. Please stop judging me by yourself.
    I’ve NEVER said anything about one rape being worse than another or her asking for it. That lunacy came out of your warped imagination. The evidence shows they NEVER HAD INTERCOURSE. The medical exam made that clear, and the DA made clear it was a false accusation–said he hoped she and her sorority sisters learned their lesson. Yeah, DAs always say that about poor lil rape victims. REAL rape victims who’ve spent hours consoling other REAL rape victims are disgusted by women who make false rape accusations.
    You “know” she was raped because you’re a Pats fan and hate the Steelers. And you read some media articles. I thoroughly researched all the evidence, studied DNA testing methods, queried professionals in the legal and medical field. And since my conclusions match those of the PROSECUTORS and STATE POLICE, they have more credibility than those of the guy who just prefers to believe what he believes with no objective data to back him up.
    Believe what you want about Roethlisberger. But you have no right to call me vicious misogynistic names, to bald-face lie about my comments (saying I’ve claimed multiple rapes, that I said she asked for it, that I said my rape was worse than hers), nor to ridicule my painful personal nightmare just because you hate the Steelers and I’m an easy target. The most disgusting thing is your pretense at defending some poor lil rape victim by stabbing at the evil heinous bitch. Every word you’ve said to me advertises your contempt for all women–especially the ones who don’t bend over and submit as you’ve instructed. The ONLY difference between you and my attacker is that you use a keyboard and he used a penis. Oh yeah, at least he didn’t spend the whole time telling me he was a great champion for women and the downtrodden.
    Now please leave me alone. I’ve never done anything to warrant or deserve your sick attention.

  77. Deb, once again you are arguing from the position that this is in any way related to football. I would despise Tom Brady if he engaged in this behavior. I detest anyone who lays an unwanted hand on a female be it aggressive, sexual, or both.
    And yes, I consider Roethlisberger a rapist. Why? Because he, at a MINIMUM, had some form sexual contact with a girl who WAS WILDYL INTOXICATED. Sexual contact – consent = sexual assault. So we can argue semantics all day, but I consider everyone who commits sexual assault to be a rapist. Granted it’s not the specific definition of the word, however there is a very thin line between the two and sooner or later (or possibly already and it gets covered up because a female listens to people like YOU and deems it her fault) that line is usually crossed.
    But yes, it’s a REAL surprise that your backwards ass hillbilly state, lead by an equally ignorant redneck D.A. would not only not recognize that, but as you said, ADMONISH THE VICTIM.
    And you are the only woman I specifically have any contempt for. Because as I’ve said, you use your negative experience to denigrate the negative experiences of other females.
    So rest assured, football allegiance is the least of all the reasons I consider you an awful human being.

  78. hey HJC and company,you and i know that if ben wasnt in the nfl,and a 1oomillion dollar man,this would have gotten zero attention from the media and the two groupies making waves would have just shook thier heads in the am and said to themselves that theygotta quit drinking so much,and forgot about it till the next time ,and in america we are innocent till proven guilty! Ben wasnt even arrested cause they had no crime. like someone said,regrettable sex isnt a crime,and neither is bad judgement. the only perfect person died an across 2000 years ago,and he who is without sin may cast the first stone.you steeler haters GROW THE F*** UP,if it was your QB itd be a different tune,and you know it!

  79. hey trickbunny if you know that he raped her,you know something even the “victim”didnt so you must have been there ,right?why didnt you make a citizens arrest? youre just as u say others are,you got yourself acouple paragraphs there too,dontya?

  80. @Buckfutter and Deb
    I know it is breaking the blog etiquette to divulge personal information but you two have certainly broke etiquette so I’ll join the fray.
    First of all, I am an ER doctor. Unfortunately, I have to deal with victims of rape way more than I would like to. After an assault we are the ones responsible for collecting the evidence. DTF had her exam hrs. after her assault which is unprecedented in its expediency. the fact that they got zero DNA evidence and no signs of trauma makes it difficult to start accusing Ben of rape. This is certainly true of a bunch of jackoffs on the internet. A jerk, a pig, maybe; but a rapist. doubtful.
    now Buckfutter…It is just inconceivable that you would act like such a twelve year old on this blog. The fact that to win your pitiful argument you would compare some college frat kid feeling up a drunk girl with the brutal act of rape is disgusting. are you really that impotent of a geek. do you wear a turtleneck and smoke a pipe. you’ve never went for third base and got your hand slapped. well I guess you’re a rapest then and should go to jail. A gay nurse pinched my ass once and whispered in my eat a lured suggestion. because he touched me in a sexual way it was sexual assault. IT WAS NOT RAPE. you moron. You insult everyone that’s ever had to live through being raped by trying to suggest a thing like making an unwanted advance is the same thing.
    …and calling someone an awful human being on a blog about football because their arguments drive you nuts. your a fu–ing mean spirited little man hiding behind your keyboard. go read your daddies playboys and get back to the x-box. you’re the awful human being if you think its ok to write things like that and attack people personally the way you have. grow up or at least get a life.
    Deb…chill out. and don’t let guys like this pig bait you…and you’re still wrong about dixon and woodley

  81. Buckfutter, your arrogance has no limits. The allegation wasn’t yours to pick–it was hers. She picked vaginal rape. The evidence showed no intercourse occurred. I’m sorry that doesn’t suit you, but YOU don’t get to redefine the events to some OTHER form of mystery assault she never mentioned. Stop harassing and damning me for refusing to dishonor the dozens of rape victims I’ve known by subscribing to your insane imaginings about a woman making false allegations.
    I have NEVER said or implied that nonsense about my assault trumping hers. I’ve known women who have suffered 100 times what I have. Only a disturbed and very immature mind that’s never experienced any hardship in life would come up with something so ridiculous. I do not believe this woman was assaulted. Unlike you, I base my opinions on factual evidence, not thin air.
    Now you’ve now invented an assault that doesn’t even fit the accuser’s story. And you’ve decided that as a rape victim I have special responsibility to go along with your fiction and since I haven’t, that’s why I’ve deserved for you to attack me in the most vicious and personal ways. All this is for hatred of a football team and deep irrational loathing of a region of the country with which I self-identify (though I’m not from Georgia). In me you’ve found the perfect target: Southerner, Steelers fan, and woman. You’ve hit the trifecta–and you’re getting off on it. But behind that pretentious pomposity and the lies you spin about what I’ve said and what I think, you are nothing but a shell holding a dead carcass of rotting soul and the stench is nauseating. I have done nothing to deserve or warrant your abuse. Stay away from me.

  82. I’m really surprised NBC would continue to be associated with the slander and lies that are posted on this site everyday. Just because you don’t like a player and team doesn’t give you the right to make up crap about them. And then to bash others on here like some of you do…it’s shameful. Too many of you cross WAY over the line.

  83. It was not rape it was SEXUAL ASSAULT. So it isnt rape, is SEXUAL ASSAULT better. I’m one of the few Steeler fans who wants this pig off of our team. Who overlooks the crap Ben Roethlisberger has put the great Steelers through? Not a true fan. A true fan backs the team. Ben has mad us the butt of all jokes. I was PRAYING that nobody yelled “SHE SAID NO!” While Lebeau gave his acceptance speech. Thank God no one did. I saw Ben in the stands sitting next to Keisel with that stupid smirk on his face. How they backed this animal over Tone is a mystery to me. Money? Yes. Position? Yes. Race? Yes. Investment? Yes. All are contributing factors but make no mistake about it, Ben will screw up again. When he does, I will be the happiest Steeler fan on Earth.
    If Ben is so great, why cant any Steeler fans site 4 games in a row that Ben excelled in? Do you know why they cant? Because he hasnt. Telling

  84. I’m a steeler fan and I wrote Water Street to trade the jerk. I just think calling him a rapist is a little off base.
    @Deb…if you want someone to leave you alone I suggest you stop writing to them. Its kind of moronic to keep blasting someone and not expecting them to respond. That’s why you piss everyone off that argues with you.

  85. C.Bass says:
    August 5, 2010 5:52 PM
    HJC:
    A rapist?
    Where’s your proof? Two accusations equal a rapist? The first woman bragged about it for months, then made the acusation a year later. The second woman stated to police twice that she was in a “sitting position” when Ben raped her. Explain that one. Then she asked the DA not to press charges. Sound like a rape victim?
    I know the haters don’t need any proof, but if Ben is guilty of rape, so are half the guys in fraternity houses (past and present).
    Regrettable sex is not a crime.
    This is exactly what I’ve been talkin about through all this. You can say what you want about Ben, but he’s a solid QB and I want him around.

  86. asteeler4life says: August 8, 2010 11:32 AM
    C.Bass says:
    August 5, 2010 5:52 PM
    HJC:
    I know the haters don’t need any proof, but if Ben is guilty of rape, so are half the guys in fraternity houses (past and present).
    ____________________________________
    So you are saying that half the guys in fraternity houses have been accused of sexual assault twice in the last year? Could you please provide a link as to where you are getting your information to back up your post?

  87. @gotsix?
    Actually, no–I don’t wish tragic experiences on you or anyone else. But it’s difficult to understand how someone with a doctor’s intellect could see a man ridicule a woman’s rape history, religion, and regional background–without provocation–then damn HER for blasting HIM and expecting him not to respond? Glad you’re an ER doc. I’m a journalist and experienced medical & legal writer who’s written a textbook on how to treat patients. Something I didn’t think needed to be included: Don’t make a terminal diagnosis without at least reading the file.
    Here’s the difference between us: We both post that Ben is an ass. We both post he’s not a rapist. We both support the same medical evidence. Men argue with you. But for months, they’ve called me degrading names and described detailed sex acts I “want” Ben to do to me on urine-soaked floors. After being called a rape enabler, I blurted out my rape history in my defense. After that, edgy–who I considered a blog “friend”–said I was never raped; I was just pissed some guy never called me back (mine was not a date rape). BuckFutter harassed and ridiculed me regularly.
    Haven’t mentioned my history in a while and thought we’d moved on. Then BuckFutter was back ridiculing me. So some new jerk jumped in to do the same. After one zinger at BuckFutter, I actually APOLOGIZED because I didn’t want to stoop to his level. He responded by shredding me. Should I have answered? No. But after YOU are raped and spend years with assault victims from THIS side, Doc, talk to me. Tell me how easy it is to ignore when some guy is posting that you’re a heinous bitch who hates other rape victims and thinks they ask for it.
    FYI, a lot of PFT readers–including some those from our rival teams–like my comments and say so. If you find them moronic, skip them. But don’t you ever again presume to slam me or any woman for defending herself against some bully, stalker, or abusive jackass or to tell her that’s why she’s not liked. Who are we supposed to depend on to defend us when some jerk is out of line? You? Right. Without even bothering to read the thread, you came on and slammed the female diehard Steelers fan in favor of one of the most bitter Steelers haters on the site. Hope your medical judgment is better than your reading comprehension and character assessment.

  88. Deb,
    I do not know you or your history, and would like to say that if you are telling the truth, I can undertand your anger and frustration. It is a horrible thing to happen to someone, and I am sorry you’ve had to experience that. But, I must say, if you are telling the truth…I find it odd that you would even make a joke about a man hitting a woman. Yes, I know you apologized for it, but I still think its odd that you would find any humor in such a joke. I think you misinterpreted Gotsix?’s comments as an attack on you. Though, I think he was just trying to say that rather then tell them to leave you alone, just stop replying to them all together. Every time you post, they are going to post…and it becomes and endless cycle.

  89. @Latrobe …
    I’ve never been so happy to hear from anyone. These johnny-come-lately Steelers fans who don’t know what’s been going on the last few months are more frustrating than the haters.
    I love you, too 🙂

  90. @footballfan34 …
    To clarify, my “hit that” comment wasn’t about hitting a woman. The term is a vulgar euphemism for sex. In my knee-jerk reaction, I basically said ridiculing me must have gotten him excited so he’d be able to have vigorous sex with his wife that night. He replied that he would but she was on her cycle. My comment was trashy–that’s why I apologized.
    Ignoring works with some, not others. I’ve tried many tactics, but some people are relentless. I’d ignored him for a while and was trying to stop talking about my own history. But I couldn’t leave unanswered his harangues claiming I’d said other assault victims asked for it.
    “Its kind of moronic to keep blasting someone and not expecting them to respond. That’s why you piss everyone off …” is an attack and is the only part of gotsix?’s comment I was addressing.
    I realize you didn’t understand the term “hit that” and were attempting to be helpful. But try to understand there’s often more to a story than you know.

  91. This Deb girl is obsessed with Roethlisberger, I swear.
    Why cant she name four games in a row that Ben Roethlisberger has produced good stats? Know why? He hasnt. This proves my point that if Ben was on the lions he is Jake Plummer. A product of a good team. Cue in all the “The steelers had good teams prior to Ben but why didnt they win”. To that I say See SB 40 where Ben did NOTHING and we still won. See SB 43 where we were way ahead again, with ben doing NOTHING. We had to use a last minute drive because Ben had done NOTHING all game. We should have blown the Cards out and if our Qb would have executed the offense with any efficiency we would have.
    Still waiting Ben fans………..

  92. @Deb
    its a football site and you just take it to that personal level with everyone you argue with. I tried to defend you and you ripped me. Don’t even begin to talk about my profession. you’re a jerk and everyone that engages with you ends up getting bitter and evil with you. Take a look at every thread you’ve ever got involved with, Deb. I mean, everyone. You bring the worst out of people and that is really sad.
    I’ll never respond to you again. I’m sorry I ripped nutbutter b/c the more I see what you say to people its obvious that you just bring it on yourself.
    GET A LIFE and take that big ben fathead down from your bedroom ceiling

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