Sterger will cooperate with Favre investigation

During halftime of Saturday’s Pitt-Notre Dame game, NBC’s Peter King advanced the ongoing Brett Favre story by pointing out that former Jets sideline reporter Jenn Sterger will cooperate with the NFL’s review/investigation of allegations that Favre pursued her and sent inappropriate photos via text message in 2008, while both Sterger and Favre were employed by the Jets.

The fact that Sterger won’t be pursuing sexual harassment charges doesn’t matter; the Jets and the NFL have no choice but to investigate any hint of possible sexual harassment, and Sterger’s willingness to cooperate at a time when she has no legal obligation to do so will give the review/investigation more steam than it otherwise would have.

The situation undoubtedly will be reviewed under the Personal Conduct Policy, which requires players to conduct themselves “in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful.”  The laundry list of potential violations includes a broad catch-all provision that encompasses “[c]onduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.”

Though Favre’s alleged conduct most likely doesn’t violate any criminal laws (the “penal code” doesn’t mean what its name might suggest), sexual harassment violates state and federal statutes that impose civil liability. 

All that said, and as we explained during the Notre Dame halftime, the investigation undoubtedly won’t be fully concluded before the end of the 2010 season.  But if Favre doesn’t finally retire, it’s something that the league may have to address in 2011.

 

147 responses to “Sterger will cooperate with Favre investigation

  1. I take it we have to put up with you writing about this story every day for the rest of the season?

  2. I saw the stuff over at Deadspin. The voice messages sure sound like Forrest Gump’s younger brother, er, Bret.
    They also put the pictures allegedly those of a certain NFL qb’s man organ. His arm might be a cannon, but the central appendage looks more like a pe(a) shooter.
    Florio, with your legal knowledge of harassment, if this stuff is true, how could any employee get away with that in any workplace?
    It also shows me that the man’s ego is so large he thinks that a) he’s above scorn b)he thinks his man organ is the same size as his ego, and it clearly isn’t.

  3. Gamesmanship maybe?
    BB sends Moss to Minny before MNF, so Rex blows up Little Brett to the world?
    And if there’s no “Litt-le Pe-cker” chant on Monday, I’ll be disappointed.

  4. How could this “investigation” possibly last the remainder of the season? There are pictures. Voicemails. How deeply does this need to be investigated?

  5. If you are a TRUE fan of football,you should be sickened by women like Sturgeon Nose…..I know she had a thing for Favre…
    You fans of other teams….keep slinging your holy arrows douchers. I would bet my life that many of your NFL heroes past and present have done WAY more than Favre(if he did anything)…but hey, keep your self righteous bs coming, Vikings will gel in your hypocritical storm….
    Can you say Paul Hornung Pack fans? You brag of ancient titles, own your ancient man whores….

  6. She has a layout in a mag. comming in two weeks. I don’t think she’s trying to clear her mind of impure thoughts. She is selling a mag. and the only way to sell it is if she draws attention to herself. Or this would have come up and keep going when he was there two years ago. But way to sell her mag.

  7. If Sterger has no intention of filing sexual harassment charges, either a) there’s nothing to see here because it didn’t happen or b) she was flirting with him, making the alleged advances consensual, and she knows there’s a record of it.
    If it’s option A then this will die away. If it’s option B, he looks like a cheater and she looks like an amoral woman who doesn’t mind if a man is married.
    Option A brings no impact to Favre. Option B may result in a fine, but no suspension from the NFL. It may, however, result in a domestic suspension or dissolution.
    Packer fans should be concerned about the possibility that allegations start emerging from Cheeseland. At this point, the Jets’ name is sullied. Not the Vikings’ as the Packer fans would like to think. This conduct didn’t occur when Favre was a Viking, ergo the organization is not at fault or involved. However, allegations coming out of Green Bay would sully the Packers’ organization.
    I like Favre, so I hope it doesn’t happen for his sake, and for the sake of his family.

  8. This POS should have gone down in 2001 with Chumura and the babysitter incident. Local rumor has it he was just as guilty. At the time, they were supposedly best of friends. Another self serving move. I guess this is karma.

  9. This POS should have gone down in 2001 with Chumura and the babysitter incident. Local rumor has it he was just as guilty. At the time, they were supposedly best of friends. Another self serving move. I guess this is karma.

  10. I’m curious as to how a guy like “Pervy xx” can be so over the top about defending a player who has performed for his Vikings for all of 21 weeks? By the way he carries on with his pants on fire, you’d think these stories were about his mother.
    And isn’t Pervy the same guy who posted endlessly about Ben Rothlisberger’s exploits?

  11. Anyone wonder who the “third party” is that got paid by DeadSpin for the penis info? Did they do it with Sterger’s knowledge and approval? If I send pics of my dick to DeadSpin will they pay me? When Farve was asked about it, why didn’t he just use the Roger Clemens tried and true defense and lunge at his attacker like a rabid dog and deny, deny, deny? If he truly didn’t do it, why not just say that? I have way too much time on my hands or penis.

  12. Hey Pervy,
    Keep defending your man. I don’t care what Favre does off the field either. You go girl! Of course Favre can be married and mess around with you and all his ho’s. These people just don’t understand what you two have together.
    It’s what he does ON the field that matters….INTs and fumbles, and scapegoating his receivers.

  13. @Fidelito: I take it we have to put up with you writing about this story every day for the rest of the season?
    ….
    Of course you don’t “have to”. The number of knucklers who post “I hate Florio” rants here and/or complain about the site’s material is unreal. Last time I checked, nobody is forcing you to visit the site. If you don’t like PFT, there are a bazillion football sites on the internets you can frequent. If you like PFT but don’t like some of the post topics, there’s a simple solution for that too – skip the ones you’re not interested in.
    Not that complicated, is it??

  14. VikingsPrincess, are you related to Pervy by any chance? Get a clue. Everybody with any knowledge of Green Bay knows full well that Favre participated in all sorts of stuff while a Packer, which had it all come to light, would have certainly eliminated most of his wrangler and sears endorsements, at the very least.
    It was solely by the grace of god or a bad vicodin/vodka hangover that kept Favre away from the teenage hot tub party in Waukesha where Chmura lost his NFL membership card. The stories, and the attached witnesses of what went on for years in the private rooms of supper clubs all over northern Wisconsin are too numerous to mention.
    And do explain how it is you think that with the snap of the fingers, Favre’s behavior all of a sudden changed when he got to Eden Prairie. Is it that he knows Ned Flanders, aka Colonel Klink, runs such a taught ship perhaps?

  15. # Everybody Loves Mike Florio says: October 9, 2010 7:44 PM
    “How could this “investigation” possibly last the remainder of the season? There are pictures. Voicemails. How deeply does this need to be investigated?”
    That’s Goodell-speak for “Favre’s going to get a free pass”.

  16. Favre is a pig. This should not surprise anyone. Well, except fanboys of course. But no one else.

  17. It’s the same thing over and over again with these women. There’s a girl I know who flirted with me a lot, and she asked me to send her a pic like that. I was in a wierd mood that night, and she almost talked me into it. I didn’t do it…but I see how this could happen. The point is, BIG DEAL. WHO CARES. No one had ever heard of this B until this. Now she’s famous and making a lot of money. An ‘investigation’ for ‘mental anguish’ and ‘discrimination’ is a TOTAL JOKE. Even if you hate Favre and the Vikings, I can’t believe any of you would take the side of a $$-hungry conniving bimbo. YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES! You will probably feel different when the next incident happens (probably within a month) to someone else.

  18. I’m sure this skank sent her own pictures as well. The only person that needs to have an issue about this is Ms. Favre.

  19. It’s the same thing over and over again with these women. There’s a girl I know who flirted with me a lot, and she asked me to send her a pic like that. I was in a wierd mood that night, and she almost talked me into it. I didn’t do it…but I see how this could happen. The point is, BIG DEAL. WHO CARES. No one had ever heard of this B until this. Now she’s famous and making a lot of money. An ‘investigation’ for ‘mental anguish’ and ‘discrimination’ is a TOTAL JOKE. Even if you hate Favre and the Vikings, I can’t believe any of you would take the side of a $$-hungry conniving bimbo. YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES! You will probably feel different when the next incident happens (probably within a month) to someone else.

  20. The same chick who dressed like a skank at Florida State games, Rays games AND UCF games? That one? The one that posed for Playboy? That one? The one that dresses like a skank for obvious attention? That girl?
    Ohhhhh ok.

  21. Pervy, you’re trying a little too hard to defend Favre. Give it a rest, crack a beer, tell yourself “it’s just a game”.

  22. 949 GBP Fan says:
    October 9, 2010 7:52 PM
    This POS should have gone down in 2001 with Chumura and the babysitter incident. Local rumor has it he was just as guilty. At the time, they were supposedly best of friends. Another self serving move. I guess this is karma.
    __________________________________
    LOL! Talk about situational convience. Favre shouldn’t have gone down with Chumura while he was a Packer. But now that he’s a Viking he should’ve gone down with Chumura. You Packer fans make me laugh.

  23. How us this different, time frame wise, than Little Ben? They were sure swift with that! Never even made it to court. Hmm…

  24. Pervy xx says: October 9, 2010 7:45 PM
    Quite a speech.
    It might actually mean something had you not been first in line for the Big Mouth Bus Tour every time a Roethlisberger story broke.
    Cry me a river hypocrite.

  25. Pervy xx says:
    October 9, 2010 7:45 PM
    If you are a TRUE fan of football,you should be sickened by women like Sturgeon Nose…..I know she had a thing for Favre…
    —————————-
    She’s the victim here. And a hero for rejecting Tiny’s advances.

  26. I could care less what comes out as stories.
    But the recent piece is a fabrication.
    Where is the watch and where are the crocs we were told Favre was wearing in the initial piece?

  27. MR. FLORIO…do we really have to read about this 6 times per day? This is not football news. Just by writing about it, YOU ARE TAKING SIDES. This $$-hungry woman is getting exactly what she wants, no matter what actually transpired. And writing about this crap only invites the moronic comments I thought you were trying to clean up. Any other legal news about players is okay. But when it’s a he-said-she-said, I think you should tread lightly. Because like I said, the woman wants all the attention, which translates into $$.

  28. Interesting thought here: Isn’t this criminal conduct? Seems to me to be no different than flashing someone, which is a sex crime.
    Will BrINT be prosecuted and have to register as a sex offender?

  29. @VikingsPrincess says:
    October 9, 2010 7:51 PM
    If Sterger has no intention of filing sexual harassment charges, either a) there’s nothing to see here because it didn’t happen or b) she was flirting with him, making the alleged advances consensual, and she knows there’s a record of it.
    ===================================
    So, if she doesn’t file charges, it means it didn’t happen or she was flirting with him?
    That’s one of the most ignorant statements I’ve ever heard, and coming from a woman, it’s flabbergasting.
    Are you kidding? There are many, many women that have been raped that don’t file charges for a variety of reasons. There are many women that have been harassed or assaulted that don’t want to re-live it, fear repercussions, or don’t want the stigma associated with it.
    Viking fans, stop kissing Favre’s ass.

  30. Pervy xx says:
    October 9, 2010 7:45 PM
    If you are a TRUE fan of football,you should be sickened by women like Sturgeon Nose…..I know she had a thing for Favre…
    You fans of other teams….keep slinging your holy arrows douchers. I would bet my life that many of your NFL heroes past and present have done WAY more than Favre(if he did anything)…but hey, keep your self righteous bs coming, Vikings will gel in your hypocritical storm….
    Can you say Paul Hornung Pack fans? You brag of ancient titles, own your ancient man whores….
    ===================================
    So if Sterger had a thing for Favre, then she deserved that treatment is what you are saying.
    And if a woman dresses in a revealing manner, then she should expect to be harassed or worse.
    Can you say Love Boat, Viking fans?

  31. “Can you say Paul Hornung Pack fans? You brag of ancient titles, own your ancient man whores….”
    Paul Hornung was single. Brett Favre is married. I believe that’s the big difference. I don’t think most would care what a single man does, though sending pictures of his johnson would surely cause some problems.

  32. My hero, Bret Favre, accused of being a doodle-dashing whip whistle?????????????
    No way. Ain’t there nothing sacred, anymore?
    Mr. Florio have we no shame????

  33. “If Sterger has no intention of filing sexual harassment charges, either a) there’s nothing to see here because it didn’t happen or b) she was flirting with him, making the alleged advances consensual, and she knows there’s a record of it”
    Or c) you created a false dichotomy and she’s not in this for the money and became an unwilling participant after Deadspin attached her name to lend credibility to their story.

  34. Mr. Florio, please ease-up a little on this ‘story’. By reporting on this non-stop, you are taking sides and making this woman rich and famous. Any other issues, fine, report on it. But no matter who it is, the he-said, she-said cases are always annoying, because one side benefits tremendously from the attention, while the other side is harmed. And all you people who have commented and said bad things about Favre OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES. Remember the Duke lacrosse incident? You’re all putting $$ in this hoe’s pocket!

  35. Well hopefully this will put to rest all the will he won’t he play next yr……..I dont think I can go through another offseason like the last 3

  36. I will hold my own judgment on this til all of the facts are in but again a great illustration of the hypocrisy of Viking fans. When he’s your hero he’s innocent until proven guilty, when he plays for another team he’s guilty at the time of the accusation. And for some to say she is the one who is wrong is unbelievable, but typical of the blinded by Brett Viking fans.

  37. The fact that its 2 years later and she doesnt plan on pursuing sexual harrassment charges shows this is a BS story. Shes looking for pub to boost her career. If it bothered her it wouldve been a sexual harrassment suit 2 years ago. Either it was mutual(which still isnt good because he is married, but not the worst thing an NFL player has done) or complete BS

  38. Well commish, it was 3.5 on a good day and smelled like a shrimp and oyster Po Boy

  39. Maybe she agreed to cooperate, meaning she doesn’t know anything about pictures of Favre or Voicemails.

  40. I need to Google more Sterger pics..Didn’t realize she was the FSU girl.
    At least Favre picked a good one.

  41. Ease up with the Chmura crap. He was the victim of a zealous prosecutor trying to make a name for himself with an eye on future political office- Attorney General. This was a high profile case that would have given the prosecutor name recognition all over Wisconsin. How convenient.
    The case should never have been tried. I listened to the evidence on radio and it was a joke. Chmura was an idiot for attending a HS prom party at the home of a friend[parent]where there were drinking games going on but last time I looked, this was America and you go to jail for committing a crime, not for being an idiot.
    The case smelled from day one. If your daughter was sexually assaulted on a Saturday night post prom party, your first call would be to the police, to your family doctor, to mental health professionals counselors, not to the most prominent litigation attorney in Milwaukee, Robert Habish.
    Chmura’s attorney Jerry Boyle made the prosecutor look silly at every turn. There was no evidence other than the inconsistent recollections of very drunk teen agers. The police were originally called after one of the mothers overheard the girls talking the next day. The sober teens exonerated Chmura. Don’t know why fans keep bringing it up. Nothing happened other than poor judgment by Chumura for attending the party.

  42. This has to be one of the saddest comment threads I have ever seen. Did any of you actually follow this story? It’s months old.
    For those denigrating Sterger – she did not provide Deadspin with the material they posted. In fact, she made it clear she didn’t want to hurt Favre and had never been interested in him because he’s “old and married.” That’s been verified by communication between Sterger & Deadspin. So get off her case.
    She’s not looking to get paid, she never filed a suit, and she didn’t send out this information. So before you hair brained clowns hurl accusations and insults around, how about you read the actually story. Idiots.

  43. Blame the girl — how low rent can you get?
    Brett had an obligation to the Jets, to the league, to his family!
    That kind of conduct is not appropriate. He should know that.
    It’s a colossal case of bad judgment. And it’s coming back to bite him.
    The NFL must investigate and act. The longer they put it off, the worse it is for everyone — even Brett.

  44. Frank, what in the hell does any of this have to do with the Love Boat situation??? You make some good points and the end it with a complete turd.

  45. “[c]onduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.”
    Do they mean like…
    a) Bad Newz Kennels
    b) Lake Tahoe TV Repair
    c) Georgia college bars where nothing happens
    d) Ray Lewis not killng anyone
    e) Hall of Fame RB not killing ex-wife and her waiter
    f) Rae Carruth’s trunk
    g) LT and the 16 year old
    h) Chumura’s bathroom
    i) Love Boat
    j) Super Bowl Hooker pickup
    k) Ryan Leaf
    l) Pacman vs the doorman
    m) DUI’s
    n) Anything else on Florio’s weekly Turd Watch blotter
    I think Favre’s little crush on that girl and the pictures is not risking this reputation….

  46. Guilty! 8 game suspension now Mr.Godell! Ben suspended with ever being charged and now you have another QB, with evidence of sexual harrassment and text messages! 8 games starting tuesday!

  47. frank booth says: October 9, 2010 8:31 PM
    So if Sterger had a thing for Favre, then she deserved that treatment is what you are saying.
    And if a woman dresses in a revealing manner, then she should expect to be harassed or worse.
    Can you say Love Boat, Viking fans?
    ————-
    Except none of this happened under the Vikings watch, so your last point is completely moot.

  48. If you guys hate Florios stories so much, it says a lot of these are Rumors….why the heck are you clowns on this site non stop reading and posting here?
    And don’t say it is or isn’t true….time will tell…..
    Just cause he has the smallest unit of all NFC North QBs doesn’t mean it isn’t him in the pics…and why didn’t he deny it if it wasn’t true?

  49. Why would it take so long to investigate this? Other than the league doesn’t want to have to suspend lord brett during the season? Thats bullcrap

  50. i guess for the sake of argument, as the story goes she never pursued harrassment because she was trying to get her career started and didnt want to ruffle any feathers in the boy’s club.
    this story might never have gotten any ground at all if daulerio hadnt (supposedly) against her wishes published a story about it awhile back.
    not really as clear cut as people would like it to be.

  51. Sterger is quickly gaining ground on Omarosa, as the one person in this world milking the most of the very least.
    Besides bieng sickened by BOTH parties ( takes 2 to tango ), I’m geeting rather sick of all the males that keep lauding this tramps virtues.
    Really, she’s not THAT hot!

  52. As usual, I’m dazzled by the level of discourse on PFT. Let’s see here: All women who are harassed or assaulted by pro athletes are “asking for it”, “bitches”, “skanks”, speaking out for some kind of financial reward, on and on and on.
    Do you actually know any women? Do you share with the women you claim to “know” how you truly feel about the opposite sex?
    Then again, I worry for nothing. After all, any female with an IQ higher than room temperature runs away from “men” like yourselves.

  53. As far as the pictures go, I can tell you for sure that it is indeed Brett’s pecker. I should know.
    Sincerely,
    Brad Childress

  54. LMAO….I could give a rats ass if Favre gave her the Lil’ Smokie…..all i know is I would bang her !
    oh…Favre texted me tonight….said Sturgeon could shallow throat….

  55. @ frank booth…..yes…yes….and yes!
    MN Vikings…just as wild as they were centuries ago on long boats kicking ass and taking names….
    We are the true bad boys of football….Raiders are pretenders….
    SKOL Vikings and High five to Favre….she is smoking!

  56. Sterger has previously worked for SI.com providing relationship advice and has appeared nude in Playboy. She is not an innocent young thing.

  57. lebowski says:
    October 9, 2010 8:13 PM
    Pervy, you’re trying a little too hard to defend Favre. Give it a rest, crack a beer, tell yourself “it’s just a game”.
    ————————————————–
    lol i know, but it’s my f@cking season!!!
    Im already cool with it….drinking Jack and hitting tree….waiting for the Aaron Rodgers pics to Neil Patrick Harris to come out….

  58. So Captain Marvel, if someone molested your sister and she decided not to press charges and two years later someone found out about it, and ran a storywould it be your sister’s fault that she was molested? If this were anybody else’s qb you’d be yelling to the rough tops.

  59. I would bet my life that many of your NFL heroes past and present have done WAY more than Favre
    Oh, well, forget it then. That makes it ok.
    Carry on.

  60. Another money hungry whore….This is really getting old…….Seriously, I hope needle dick gave her a glass bottom boatride….Or a Dirty Sanchez, or a Monkey Bite, Snake Bite>>> good old boy, shame on you to do that to Dianna, Its actually quite embarrassing bro

  61. Pervy, you’re quite the tough guy on these boards. Type of guy who would never talk sh1t to someone’s face, he’d get throttled right in the neck if he did.
    Quite the little coward Pervy.

  62. Too bad they can’t take action against him this year if things pan out. Curious if the NFL would have had the stones to suspend his ass!

  63. Farve needs to take a permanent vacation. I am confident in the team, and even with Tavaris, I still say we are one of, if not, the most complete teams in the NFL.

  64. Hey Pervy,
    Favre WAS my hero. Then he turned into the typical douche, I can do no wrong athlete. I’m sickened by Favre not her. She said no and his ego couldn’t handle it. Why are you so blindly defensive?
    What, did you think he was gonna retire a Vikings? Please. Wisconsin has done more for Brett Favre and his family than your state could ever dream.
    Maybe we should all just start rooting for Tebow.

  65. Okay, Florio, seriously, you need to provide some additional information …
    Please explain Sterger’s duties as a Jets “sideline reporter.” I didn’t realize the teams employed their own reporters.
    What are her qualifications as a sideline reporter? People are posting that she’s a nude model. So is she a model or a reporter?
    How did Favre get her phone number if she didn’t give it to him? How did he get the massage therapists’ numbers? When a woman gives a man her phone number, that’s an expression of interest.
    If she’s not filing a harassment complaint, how is this anything other than voyeuristic interest on the part of the league? Since when are the players’ private lives their business–even if they become public and involve coworkers? I’m tired of seeing women portrayed as victims when they clearly are not being victimized.
    “[T]he values upon which the league is based”?? I don’t believe I’ve ever seen those articulated. How does denying healthcare to men who work in an industry that destroys bodies reflect on the values upon which the league is based? The league no longer even contributes to the Buoniconti Foundation, which was responsible for the work that enabled Kevin Everett to walk. Those of us familiar with the league’s history and many scandals are kind of gagging on that phrase.

  66. Here is the bottom line and what most everyone does not have the common sense to figure out —
    If there were an actual problem, if Farve did do something wrong, these women, husband, whoever would have come forward long ago. The fact that they have waited till now makes anything they say (without proof to back it up) highly suspect and most likely false.
    Beyond that, Florio knows that he can put Favre’s name in a headline and get an easy 300 (prob more like 500) page hits and generally at least 100 comments.

  67. Nate_O says:
    October 9, 2010 9:53 PM
    Pervy, you’re quite the tough guy on these boards. Type of guy who would never talk sh1t to someone’s face, he’d get throttled right in the neck if he did.
    Quite the little coward Pervy.
    ————————————————–
    LOL I been called many a thing ,but coward never. I am a decorated Army Ranger.Fought pro boxing in MN from 92-03. Train MMA standup to many camps including Brock Lesnars…. So what if I’m passionate about my Vikings? MN knows who I am…
    Go back to screwing your blow up doll….in the neck???lol

  68. While it isn’t the Vikings name that has been “soiled,” they have to deal with all the questions about all this stuff which is funny IMO. All though the Vikings do a good enough job giving themselves a bad name without having to deal with these allegations.
    The Jets must have a sweet P.R. person to train them with the media.
    They probably just show Joe Namath laying to mack down on the shorties during sideline interviews.

  69. Four questions……
    1. Where are the red crocs we heard so much about????
    2.how did brett get her personal number??? if she gave it to him in my opinion promotes more then a professional relationship
    3. How did we know she didn’t flirt with him as well?? she didn’t seemed to distraught over the the thing.
    4. values upon which the league is based?? this girl dresses the way she does and has nude pictures of her own, that doesn’t add up to me shes basically a piece of eye candy being displayed….yeah real values

  70. Maybe she isnt pressing charges cus hes already paid her…
    Its funny how things change when the shoes on the other foot.. I LOVE IT! SUSPEND HIS ASS! It shouldnt take them long to get the text meseges/photos ….SUSPENSION.
    LMAO@Ben never made it to court..lmao Ben never went to the police station…hahah o my @the shit people come up with when it hits home.

  71. Four questions……
    1. Where are the red crocs we heard so much about????
    2.how did brett get her personal number??? if she gave it to him in my opinion promotes more then a professional relationship
    3. How did we know she didn’t flirt with him as well?? she didn’t seemed to distraught over the the thing.
    4. values upon which the league is based?? this girl dresses the way she does and has nude pictures of her own, that doesn’t add up to me shes basically a piece of eye candy being displayed….yeah real values

  72. @ Calistan…
    I hear you Pack Taliban….but I’m so F@cking sick of every illusion we have falling to ashes.
    I shed blood for our Army…. believed home runs were natural ,Rock Hudson did all the hot chicks,bought into cheap hot dogs were not lips and assholes,Tiger wasn’t a pimp,thought Wrangler boy was wholesome….
    I don’t f*cking know what to believe in anymore…Santa Clause is seeming the best option….

  73. CaptainMarvel says: October 9, 2010 8:21 PM
    MR. FLORIO…do we really have to read about this 6 times per day? This is not football news. Just by writing about it, YOU ARE TAKING SIDES.
    It’s funny. because Mike doesn’t even try to hide the media wh@#$ that he is. If you notice on the front page the Favre story stays on top in large font, even when new stories are added. That never happens with any other stories.

  74. Okay, before this goes too far….the pictures are of my johnson. That’s why it looks so small but hey I’m 5’6″ and on me it looks big.
    Oh wait, I sent that to somebody else…how did she get it?
    Wasn’t this web site about football at one time?

  75. “sideline reporter”.
    And the naked hottie collecting dollars in her g-string is a “hostess”.
    Gimmie a break

  76. How in the world would this take 10 more weeks to investiage? I dont get it. Heres the evidence, is it credible yes or no. Whats there to debate? There is another woman who he did this to whos husband complained and who saved the texts. If they trace back to Brett’s cell phone, then thats it.
    If the league is going to take all season to investiagte this, its because they have a wink nod agreement with Favre that if he retires they wont pursue it any further. Him coming back next year would obviously leave them no choice, because then you would have every player complaining about prefferential treatment. Its obvious thats what this is though

  77. So NFL Quarterbacks hit on women looking for sex – even when they are married? I am absolutely shocked!
    Don’t tell Terry’s ex JoJo Bradshaw this…and I’m sure Joe Namath never hit on sideline reporters or team staff
    Christ what a ridiculous story – leave this for TMZ

  78. Pervy xx says:
    October 9, 2010 10:31 PM
    Nate_O says:
    October 9, 2010 9:53 PM
    Pervy, you’re quite the tough guy on these boards. Type of guy who would never talk sh1t to someone’s face, he’d get throttled right in the neck if he did.
    Quite the little coward Pervy.
    —————– ——————– ————-
    LOL I been called many a thing ,but coward never. I am a decorated Army Ranger.Fought pro boxing in MN from 92-03. Train MMA standup to many camps including Brock Lesnars…. So what if I’m passionate about my Vikings? MN knows who I am…
    Go back to screwing your blow up doll….in the neck???lol
    I’m sure you are Pervy. Looks like Ranger school taught you about maturity. You’d be a disgrace to the Rangers my friend.
    Yeah, I used to fight Bruce Lee and Charles Norris. They taught me about punching people in the neck.

  79. Deb says:
    October 9, 2010 10:09 PM
    Okay, Florio, seriously, you need to provide some additional information …
    Please explain Sterger’s duties as a Jets “sideline reporter.” I didn’t realize the teams employed their own reporters.
    What are her qualifications as a sideline reporter? People are posting that she’s a nude model. So is she a model or a reporter?
    How did Favre get her phone number if she didn’t give it to him? How did he get the massage therapists’ numbers? When a woman gives a man her phone number, that’s an expression of interest.
    ________________
    Hey Nimrod,
    read all the articles on this site as well as others and most of your questions will be answered! ignorant fool

  80. Your team is run by a bunch of morons and the Viqueens are the laughing stock of the league. They’re an embarrassment to professional football and they deserve all the negative press they’re getting. Stone cold idiots.

  81. The words are from the article:
    the NFL have no choice but to investigate any hint of possible sexual harassment,
    The situation undoubtedly will be reviewed under the Personal Conduct Policy, which requires players to conduct themselves “in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful.” The laundry list of potential violations includes a broad catch-all provision that encompasses “[c]onduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.”
    Though Favre’s alleged conduct most likely doesn’t violate any criminal laws (the “penal code” doesn’t mean what its name might suggest), sexual harassment violates state and federal statutes that impose civil liability.
    Now my turn: so if the NFL wants to talk about sexual harassment let’s ask the NFL why they allow opposite sex reporters to walk among the naked football players in their own locker room? Would any other workplace, other than porn, allow this type of sexual harassment at the workplace?
    NFL you have been put on notice. Lawsuits are coming your way. Equal access reporting can take place outside the locker room going forward.
    Roger Goodell is setting the NFL and other sports leagues up for a BIG fall.

  82. Sterger obviously leaked this info. If she didn’t want to be part of this she would not have leaked the video and audible messages. She obviously knew what she was doing and went along with it.

  83. Let the Vikes fan have this, they won’t have a team next year. It’s gonna hurt having the LA Vikings play next to the LA Lakers

  84. I’m shocked at how many people think what Favre allegedy did is okay, and just what pro football players do. If any of you did what he supposedly did at your place of work, you’d be in a mess and might want to read this. It’s a good, unbiased legal and business minded look (remember the NFL is a business) at the issue(s) and why it needs to be pursued, even without a formal complaint.
    http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/10/08/brett-favres-explicit-photos-unleash-legal-storm/

  85. Nate_O says:Looks like Ranger school taught you about maturity. You’d be a disgrace to the Rangers my friend.
    ===================================
    Spoken like a true tree hugger…..listen pal, maturity is a tricky word. Can you explain it to us?

  86. ras6111 says:
    October 10, 2010 12:08 AM
    Let the Vikes fan have this, they won’t have a team next year. It’s gonna hurt having the LA Vikings play next to the LA Lakers
    —-
    of all the idiot posts on this thread you win the title of “king idiot” with this post. Congrats!

  87. # Jack Acid says: October 10, 2010 12:09 AM
    ROFLMAO at Favre apologists…
    You pathetic sheep. He’s a scumbag, and the world knows it.
    ………………………………………………………………………
    why is he a scumbag cuz he maybe cheated on his wife?? yea ok, I’ll give you that. but a lot of men and women cheat and try to pick up chicks the way he supposedly did!

  88. It certainly would be believable if a criminal investigation had taken place, through the proper channels, of course, and Favre found guilty.
    What do we get instead? A kangaroo court conducted by the NFL and led by the media.

  89. Pervy xx says:
    October 9, 2010 7:45 PM
    If you are a TRUE fan of football,you should be sickened by women like Sturgeon Nose…..I know she had a thing for Favre…
    You fans of other teams….keep slinging your holy arrows douchers. I would bet my life that many of your NFL heroes past and present have done WAY more than Favre(if he did anything)…but hey, keep your self righteous bs coming, Vikings will gel in your hypocritical storm….
    ————————————————————————-
    So says the guy who yukked it up all holier than thou on every Roethlisberger thread ever.
    You turd.

  90. Most people do not realize the full implications of the Brett Favre scandal. The owners of Vikings have been trying to get a new stadium for at least the last five years, but in order to do so they need public money. Minny’s government has refused to give it to them. The owners feel their best hope is by using a public referendum. That is why they are going all out to reach the SB this year. The “feel good” effect would make a successful result much more likely, since not only would football fans support it, but the general public would also. This scandal has given them a black eye, and makes a successful result less likely, especially since they will not get to the SB after they lose to the Jets. .
    That is why the allegations were so downplayed when they first became public on Aug. 4.
    TWO QUESTIONS ANSWERED
    Why do I say Minny loses Monday?
    True or not, Jenn Sterger on Favre’s mind, and its impact on wife
    Jets have Home field advantage, 80,000 fans cheering J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets
    and N-U-T-S, Nuts, Nuts, Nuts ; I would not say Jet fans are incapable of this
    Favre has a hurt elbow and ankle
    Has not practiced enough to have timing down with Moss
    May not be patient and hurry decisions, try new toy
    Jets have return of 3 Pro-Bowl quality players for this game
    Lost to Miami, who Jets defeated
    Play so far this season 1-2
    Jets are a strong team 3-1 with a passer rating of 105 to Favre’s 65
    ========
    Why did Jenn Sterger wait two years?
    Favre’s approach to her was unwelcomed – married and much older.
    According to report from friend, she became mad and threw cell phone when she received pictures.
    Felt there was nothing she could do, because of her relation relative to Favre in Jets organization.
    Because Favre is public figure held on to picture and communication hoping to get even someday.
    Tried to get Favre by telling story on August 4, hoping to keep him from rejoining Vikings.
    Offered large sum of money for evidence now, and gets even with Favre.

  91. Prediction: Ms. Sterger will have the opportunity to travel and be a guest courtesy of morning radio shows in New England, Green Bay, Chicago, DC, Philly, and Detroit.

  92. “The fact that Sterger won’t be pursuing sexual harassment charges doesn’t matter; the Jets and the NFL have no choice but to investigate any hint of possible sexual harassment…”
    Well it sure as hell should matter. If Favre wants to cheat on his wife or hit on women it’s none of the NFL’s business. If Sterger doesn’t feel she was harassed or offended then she wasn’t. And she apparently doesn’t because she never reported it to anyone and kept the photos because she thought it was funny.

  93. She’s just another piece of shit like all the rest. And I ain’t no Favre fan. He’s a piece of shit too but she smells a lot worse.

  94. It dont matter what Packer fans say about this incident,it dont matter what anybody says,if Favre indeed did this dirty deed it tarnishes his image much more than his vicadone habit of years past,he has always been a practical joker,self confessed when a Packer player,putting itching powder in players jockstraps and other childish pranks so I believe this allegation is the truth,I dont believe he thought of the consequences of this action at the time and regrets it now,he has in the past put his lovely wife through hell with his drinking and substance abuse but this is something even Deanna may not be willing or able to overlook and forgive him for,and who can blame her,at least he didnt lust as bad as Tiger did.

  95. From my understanding, she didn’t want to come forward. Who cares anyways. Women cheat, men cheat, single poeple don’t.

  96. “I am a decorated Army Ranger.Fought pro boxing in MN from 92-03. Train MMA standup to many camps including Brock Lesnars…. So what if I’m passionate about my Vikings? MN knows who I am…”
    Bwahahaha. I once took Mike Tyson into the 3rd round before Mario used a fast count to declare a KO in Tyson’s favor. It doesn’t count if you do it in video games.
    Alright, Pervy. If you’re really an army ranger, really boxed, and really trained Brock Lesnar, surely you have a mom, wife, or girlfriend who would have taken pictures. Moms love the pictures of their sons in uniform. If you boxed 11 years, surely there has to be a picture or two of you in the ring. If there’s anything I’ve learned from Jay Glazer, it’s that guys that hang around with MMA stars love to take pictures of themselves with MMA stars. So here’s the challenge, big talker. Why don’t you set up a Facebook, or in honor of Favre, a MySpace page? You can use your Pervy pseudonym or another one like “I Heart Screaming Lord Byron” or something along those lines. Post these pictures of you in your army uniform, a picture of you in or around a boxing ring, and a picture of you with Lesnar – preferably in or around an octagon or gym so you can prove it’s not an autograph signing. Then, why don’t you tack on a picture of you sitting in front of a computer displaying PFT just so we can prove that it’s the same guy in all of the pictures.
    I suspect you’re full of crap in your claims. I also expect you to either not reply to this or come back with, “I don’t have to prove myself to Puker fans. Why don’t you go jerk off to a picture of (a Packer personality whose sexuality I have questioned)? C’mon Pervy. This shouldn’t take more than 20 minutues or so.

  97. I think Sterger is cooperating because she’s scared. She didn’t release this stuff…some “unknown third party” did….a Deadspin operative that hacked her computer perhaps? But it’s not like she made him send pictures of his gray-bearded grampa dick….she just kept them, that’s all. Wow..that is really unusual to hang onto material like like in this day and age of electronic social media isn’t it?
    You can’t buy character or integrity….and Favre has neither. The Packers are looking more brilliant everyday for not eating his crap sandwiches anymore, and the Vikings just look desperate and stupid.

  98. What’s really funny here is how many of the Favre apologists relentlessly bashed on Ben Roethlisberger, and some even continue to do so.
    / it’s called karma

  99. It’s real difficult to prove sexual harassment when the woman is a Nude Model for playboy hanging around half naked in the mens locker room.except to his wife, this is a non story.

  100. LOL @ PERVY
    You shed blood for our country? BS. Every Army Ranger I know is a great guy, very humble, and loves every person in their country and would defend their freedom at any cost.
    You’re a delusional pretender and if you did server you’re a disgrace. So you fought for freedom, but only those that disagree with you? Serving doesn’t give you special privledges or make your opinion more worth while.
    Obviously you don’t know what to believe in because all you do is make crap up to boost your image on a INTERNET COMMENT BOARD!!
    What a joke.

  101. snakeman40 says: October 9, 2010 9:28 PM
    As far as the pictures go, I can tell you for sure that it is indeed Brett’s pecker. I should know.
    Sincerely,
    Brad Childress
    ——————————————————————-
    Funny funny funny. Best so far!

  102. Whether she is a money hungry ho or not is irrelevant. She is a silly and no one one this site would kick her out of their bed for eating Saltine crackers…. Let’s start focusing on what really matters here.

  103. Well because the NFL has to take all season to investigate this(WHY SO LONG?) Favre is just going to walk away from this. No skin off his ass and he could actually walk away anytime …I say he doesnt finish the season ..Moss or no Moss.Favre will do whats best for Favre,screw everybody else. I dont expect much of a guy who doesnt care to practice with his teamates,shows up on gameday is idolized by the media. There is NO accountability here….Shame.

  104. The investigation will take the rest of the season? How convenient. Gee, do you think he’s gonna play next year after his 8 game suspension? It had to be at least 8 if you get 6 just for being a knucklehead. Right?

  105. Innocent until proven guilty????? Try teling that to Ben Roethlisberger. If ben got 4 games for an allegation – no charges – who knows what Favre will get when actual evidence is available.
    Still, I’ll bet my house to a $1 that he won’t get shit in terms a of a suspension. GODell already got his pound of (white) flesh.

  106. So #4 held up the Viqueens and this babe is holding up #4. Sounds to me like all is right with the universe and everybody’s getting what they deserve. Billionaires are throwing money at millionaires and this little taco is angling to get hers. What’s not to like?

  107. Couple things different about Hornung and Favre, there Pervy. First, Hornung was suspended, your old pervereted qb will retire before that happens. Second, Hornung has four rings, Favre has one, which would be none were it not for Reggie White and Desmond Howard. Typical of you to defend a slimeball like Favre. At the end of the day, Favre never grew up…he sent those messages thinking, “I’m Brett ****ing Favre, she wants me…” Dirty old washed up qb.

  108. JRC007 says:
    October 10, 2010 7:25 AM
    “The fact that Sterger won’t be pursuing sexual harassment charges doesn’t matter; the Jets and the NFL have no choice but to investigate any hint of possible sexual harassment…”
    Well it sure as hell should matter. If Favre wants to cheat on his wife or hit on women it’s none of the NFL’s business.
    ___________________________________
    You have clearly never worked for a company that has requires employees to sign on to a personal conduct policy, as Favre has had to do for the NFL. Whether he cheats on his wife, sends lewd voice mails or pictures, are very much the NFL’s usiness.
    My brother is an educator, and had to sign a personal conduct agreement with his school district. He could be fired for doing much less than what Favre has– going to a strip club, for instance– which last time I checked was perfectly legal and popular with both single and married men– could cost him his job.
    If it’s too much for Favre to follow the agreements he has signed, he can always retire.

  109. I wonder how much Brett’s wife and family are enjoying this circus??? This is something that could ruin his relationship with his entire family.
    He’s a moron.

  110. @frankbooth
    You said, “Are you kidding? There are many, many women that have been raped that don’t file charges for a variety of reasons. There are many women that have been harassed or assaulted that don’t want to re-live it, fear repercussions, or don’t want the stigma associated with it.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    You’re not SERIOUSLY comparing a picture of penis that arrives via text message (wanted or not – because WE DON’T KNOW yet) to RAPE are you?
    I worked in a man dominated industry (industrial equipment sales) for a decade after graduating from college. I could tell you stories about things I had to put up with during that time, but let me say this – women are NOT powerless and if a man is making you uncomfortable MOST of us will do something about it.
    In my professional career I’ve done everything from file a compliant, embarrass a married man in front of his friends, punch a guy in the nose and flip a guy onto his back when he was trying to force his way into my hotel room while at a trade show… ending that with a sound & prolonged squashing of his cojones.
    As someone who has been subjected to a broad spectrum of harrassment, I can tell you that there is a HUGE difference between rebuffed advances and physical assault.

  111. @Mick730
    You said, “The stories, and the attached witnesses of what went on for years in the private rooms of supper clubs all over northern Wisconsin are too numerous to mention.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    You know, I keep hearing this – and all it makes me wonder is WHY the hell anyone bothered to protect him? What kind of people live in Wisconsin that they would protect someone who behaves that way? Then I remember the general obsession with all things Packers in that state and I realize that once he led the team to the Super Bowl and made your team relevant after 30 years of 1 play-off appearance, of COURSE you would protect him. Which, of course, is shameful.
    You continued with, “And do explain how it is you think that with the snap of the fingers, Favre’s behavior all of a sudden changed when he got to Eden Prairie. Is it that he knows Ned Flanders, aka Colonel Klink, runs such a taught ship perhaps?”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I don’t know how Childress runs his ship, but I do know that we’ve had fewer issues with him at the helm. Star Caps aside, the worst thing a Vikings player has done since he took over is get a speeding ticket.
    The difference between rural Wisconsin and a place like Minneapolis is that we don’t protect our sports players here. When Moss ran over a metermaid, he was condemned in the paper & by fans. There are two sides to the Star Caps case – some people think that the Williams Wall shouldn’t be suspended. I think they SHOULD have already served their time. When Tommy Kramer (our long-time QB in the 70s/80s) would get pulled over while driving drunk, he would get ticketed, fined and put in the pokie. Keep in mind, he’d try to play the “but I’m your quarterback” tune with the cops – but like the rest of us, they didn’t care.
    So my point is this: if he had been doing it here, I think it would have already come to light. The culture in Minnesota doesn’t tolerate behavior based on someone’s sport status. Hell – we rip our players for bad plays in games we win. People send slacking receivers nasty Tweets for taking vacation during the bye when the passing game is faltering.
    I’ll just end with this: until there is definitive proof, an actual accusation or an admission of guilt, I’m not paying attention to this story at all.

  112. “You know, I keep hearing this – and all it makes me wonder is WHY the hell anyone bothered to protect him?”
    When Favre went out to bars and clubs in his 20s, people didn’t have cell phone cameras to capture his behavior. Athletes picking up women outside of marriage isn’t newsworthy, it becomes newsworthy when he’s sending obscene pictures of himself to other employees of the team violating league rules for conduct.
    “I’ll just end with this: until there is definitive proof, an actual accusation or an admission of guilt, I’m not paying attention to this story at all.”
    Yet you keep posting “Leave Brett Alone” posts on every Favre topic.

  113. @Calistin …..I am not special but proud. Even proud to have served for American assholes like you…I don’t make nothing up but the jokes, being anonymous gives you no glory idiot, would be a waste of my time….
    @ SJ Apollo…Are you serious kid? lol stop over to Saint Louis Park Warrior’s Cove MMA on Tues. or Thurs. nights and ask for Pervy…be glad to sign you up. Sounds like you could use a little shaping up…

  114. @SJ Apollo:
    You said, “Yet you keep posting “Leave Brett Alone” posts on every Favre topic.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Incorrect. I’ve said that until there’s PROOF that is VALIDATED, I myself, am not giving credence to the allegations. I am not saying that people should leave him alone.
    I’ve also said that you can’t compare this to the severity of what Ben Roethlisberger has been accused of, you can’t compare it to Michael Vick and there are myriad other reasons I don’t think this is going to end up with a suspension. People who are calling for a 6 game suspension are ridiculous.
    And whether or not people had cell phones when Favre was in his 20’s (which we most certainly did – although they didn’t have cameras and text messaging wasn’t an option), if he were harrassing people, they certainly had the right to file a complaint. THAT hasn’t changed.
    And this isn’t a question of marital infidelity. THAT is no one’s business except Brett’s and Deanna’s. This is a question of what were the circumstances – was it unwanted attention or was it mutual flirting? My opinion is that if Sterger did nothing to encourage it, Brett wouldn’t have had 2 phone numbers for her (if the VMs indeed are from him).
    Until more information is available, to me, this is still an unproven allegation.

  115. @MNSUX …
    Sounds as though someone’s in desperate need of a colonic to improve his mood …
    Unlike you, I’m not obsessed with the Vikings, so I’m not trolling the Web for info on Jen Sterger. No, Florio has not answered all those questions. But since you claim otherwise, by all means, prove it. Answer the questions and include the links to the PFT posts. Otherwise, save your infantile rants for the Vikes/Pack threads where they’re willing to put up a rude jackass like you.

  116. @GrandsoOfCoach …
    Can’t speak for anyone else, but there’s a difference between condoning the behavior and believing it’s the business of the public or the league. I’ve written on management issues for years, and was glad the link you provided didn’t tell me anything new.
    The only issue here is their mutual employment by the Jets, which takes this into the area of sexual harassment. Because of that, the league is investigating. What bothers me is that Jen Sterger never filed a harassment complaint and apparently does not want to file a harassment complaint. If she did not feel victimized or harassed, then no harassment occurred and the matter should be dropped. That’s if the allegations concerning Sterger are true. We haven’t yet seen anything to corroborating the stories about the massage therapists. I’m also very bothered about Favre having the private cell numbers of these women. If he got them from the women, that indicates some interest on their part in having after-hours contact with Favre.
    But just because I question whether he is guilty of harassment … and know NFL players have a long history of wild extramarital behavior … and think the league is hypocritical … doesn’t mean I think the behavior is okay. I defend Roethlisberger’s innocence because he didn’t rape anyone. But I don’t condone his behavior–he’s a jackass. I just don’t believe you can impose your morality on others–and don’t believe most of the holier-than-thou people on PFT are as moral as they pretend.

  117. There are some of you comparing Brett to Ben. How rediculous is that, idiots. If Farve did what he is alleged to have done, how is sending a pic of his junk to a girl the same as Ben giving his to a girl in a bar? One is sexual harassment, the other is sexual assault.

  118. @vikesfan112 …
    Try to keep up.
    The authorities found no evidence of assault in the Roethlisberger case. The medical exam showed that the woman did not have intercourse. The DA said he could not prove there was penetration and could not prove anything was against her will since she followed him all night and initiated the sexual encounter. She lied.
    When Goodell suspended Roethlisberger, he said in his letter that he didn’t find anything to contradict the authorities and was not suspending him for assault but for behaving badly … the way Brett is accused of behaving badly.
    Therefore the two cases are exactly the same EXCEPT Favre is married and is accused of behaving badly on the job.

  119. Deb,
    You are a fool. Please stop with your soap opera dramatics here! We are not writing here about Ben. You are obsessed with the loser.
    This is about Brett Farve. Of course she is going to cooperate. Just more of her 15 minutes in the spotlight.
    Please stick to the subject or just go away, whine, whine, whine.

  120. People. Jenn is going to cooperate. Ok, give up YOUR phone and computer Jenn and see if you are giving as much as you are giving… if not more. She was NOT an employee of the Jets, she was a contractor. In that contract, they have a hold harmless. This is only to s et a precedent for other SH cases.
    There is no pattern with him. This will not tarnish his reputation other than remembering the the name of what skank went after either 1) his money 2) the Jets are worried about the game tonight.
    The NFL has NO leg to stand on here. It is all a matter of precedent.
    Good luck Goodell. Your reputation is tarnished way more than a player. BTW, how do we get rid of HIM?

  121. Steeler-lady,
    You are a potty mouth. Do you kiss your husband with that mouth? Nice lady…. NOT
    No wonder you like Ben so much. Keep bringing his name up. He is now infamous with his reputation. One bad sneeze for the rest of his career and he is toast!

  122. Deb,
    Keep Ben’s name in vain on message boards. It only keeps his name is a negative spotlight.

  123. @Deb,
    It’s easy because your an idiot. This entire message board is NOT consumed with Ben Ben Ben.
    This board is for Brett. DUH. Moron.

  124. Everybody Loves Mike Florio says:
    October 9, 2010 7:44 PM
    How could this “investigation” possibly last the remainder of the season? There are pictures. Voicemails. How deeply does this need to be investigated?
    Ask OJ – it’s possible to get away with murder so I’m sure it’s possible to get away with this!!

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