Channing Crowder chimes in on helmet-to-helmet hits

No discussion on any key issue in the NFL is complete until we hear from Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder. 

And Crowder has spoken on the issue of helmet-to-helmet hits, offering up possibly the top sound bite of his career, even better than when he said he didn’t realized people in London spoke English.  (It sounds like one of those made up Family Guy flashbacks, but it really happened.)

“If they’re going to keep making us go more and more and more like a
feminine sport, we’re going to wear pink every game, not just on the
breast cancer months,” Crowder said, per Hal Habib of the Palm Beach Post.

“They can complain, they can suspend, they can fine and they can do
whatever they want, but you can’t stop a man from playing football the
way he’s been playing since high school,” Crowder said, per Andy Kent of FanHouse.com.  “If you go back to James Harrison when he was in high school or middle school, I bet he was hitting people just as hard back then.”

Crowder raises a good point — and the message is that these rules need to trickle down to every lower level of the sport, so that in 2030 the kids who will have become the pros will know how to properly hit and tackle.

It’s not that complicated.  First, don’t lead with your helmet, ever.  Second, don’t hit a guy who has just caught a pass with your helmet and don’t hit him in the head or neck with any other part of your body.

Still, the men currently playing in the NFL need to at least try to change.  It sounds like Crowder won’t.

“When I drop back in coverage and I see a receiver running a crossing
route and I’m about to break on him and hit him I’m not going to think
about, ‘Well let me turn my shoulder or let me aim at his torso.’  I’m
just looking to knock the hell out of him,” Crowder said.  “So they can’t change the
game.  If they really want to change it they’ll take our face masks off,
but anything they do is not going to work.”

If it doesn’t work, the fund of fines that goes to help former players will grow to unprecedented levels, and guys like Crowder will get a few extra bye weeks, without pay.

160 responses to “Channing Crowder chimes in on helmet-to-helmet hits

  1. Yes, but the season is almost at it’s midpoint! Now’s the time to steer the Titanic away from the iceberg.
    2010, the year pro-football died.

  2. Yes, but the season is almost at it’s midpoint! Now’s the time to steer the Titanic away from the iceberg.
    2010, the year pro-football died.

  3. It is true most kids do not receive proper coaching at a young age.
    I remember when my brother was playing midgets 9-13, the coaches would install a new offense based on what they saw on Saturday’s. Ended up with this slow footed qb(coach’s son) trying to run the option like Tommie Frazier or the spread like Charlie Ward. It wasn’t happening.
    Beyond that, they never taught proper techniques on how to tackle…

  4. It is true most kids do not receive proper coaching at a young age.
    I remember when my brother was playing midgets 9-13, the coaches would install a new offense based on what they saw on Saturday’s. Ended up with this slow footed qb(coach’s son) trying to run the option like Tommie Frazier or the spread like Charlie Ward. It wasn’t happening.
    Beyond that, they never taught proper techniques on how to tackle…

  5. Channing must play as himself on Madden a lot because I’ve never seen him lay ANYONE out.

  6. Channing must play as himself on Madden a lot because I’ve never seen him lay ANYONE out.

  7. “You can’t get a little bit pregnant” … as Hal Holbrook once stated to Charlie Sheen … it’s tackle football … the variables involved in such collisions are beyond control …

  8. “You can’t get a little bit pregnant” … as Hal Holbrook once stated to Charlie Sheen … it’s tackle football … the variables involved in such collisions are beyond control …

  9. Another defensive player who misses the point. Both the league and players are to extreme in their reaction to this.

  10. Another defensive player who misses the point. Both the league and players are to extreme in their reaction to this.

  11. “If it doesn’t work, the fund of fines that goes to help former players will grow to unprecedented levels, and guys like Crowder will get a few extra bye weeks, without pay.”
    Either that or fans will get sick of having to watch a diluted version of a sport they used to love, then they will realize that there is an alternative football league developing right here in America. Eventually Goodell will be forced out, mark my words on that one, but it may be too late, already having alienated many fans who watch the NFL because it changes rules on a monthly basis.

  12. “If it doesn’t work, the fund of fines that goes to help former players will grow to unprecedented levels, and guys like Crowder will get a few extra bye weeks, without pay.”
    Either that or fans will get sick of having to watch a diluted version of a sport they used to love, then they will realize that there is an alternative football league developing right here in America. Eventually Goodell will be forced out, mark my words on that one, but it may be too late, already having alienated many fans who watch the NFL because it changes rules on a monthly basis.

  13. thank god this guy has something to say…. ive been waiting. its been what? two whole days…….i cant help but love how middle of the road ball players talk sooo much…
    first thing the league should do is fine players whose talking is not commensurate with their accompolishments

  14. thank god this guy has something to say…. ive been waiting. its been what? two whole days…….i cant help but love how middle of the road ball players talk sooo much…
    first thing the league should do is fine players whose talking is not commensurate with their accompolishments

  15. Scott Fujita said it best:”Everyone’s confused,” said linebacker Scott Fujita. “[The NFL] is not consistent in their message. They talk about banning these hits and suspending players, but these are the same hits they’re showing on every highlight on NFL Network to promote the game. Just like the celebration penalties. They’re fining guys for that, flagging guys for that, but they show that all over the commercials advertising the game.” 

  16. Scott Fujita said it best:”Everyone’s confused,” said linebacker Scott Fujita. “[The NFL] is not consistent in their message. They talk about banning these hits and suspending players, but these are the same hits they’re showing on every highlight on NFL Network to promote the game. Just like the celebration penalties. They’re fining guys for that, flagging guys for that, but they show that all over the commercials advertising the game.” 

  17. Oh wow, florio clearly knows the correct way to tackle. He should run tackling clinics for these animal football players. Trust me, this guy has a proven track record of greatness in the nfl.

  18. Oh wow, florio clearly knows the correct way to tackle. He should run tackling clinics for these animal football players. Trust me, this guy has a proven track record of greatness in the nfl.

  19. How many marquis players are you willing to sacrifice Goodell and Florio?
    Suspending top notch players is going to water down the sport and ruin the sanctity of the game further than all the new rules already have.
    The players play the game, and they are not for this crackdown on either side of the ball!
    Let the players play!!

  20. How many marquis players are you willing to sacrifice Goodell and Florio?
    Suspending top notch players is going to water down the sport and ruin the sanctity of the game further than all the new rules already have.
    The players play the game, and they are not for this crackdown on either side of the ball!
    Let the players play!!

  21. These little dump-off crossing routes where you lead your small receiver straight into a much bigger oncoming linebacker are insanely dangerous, no matter what body part the linebacker aims his hit at. Offensive coordinators must have death wishes for their receivers to keep calling those routes.

  22. These little dump-off crossing routes where you lead your small receiver straight into a much bigger oncoming linebacker are insanely dangerous, no matter what body part the linebacker aims his hit at. Offensive coordinators must have death wishes for their receivers to keep calling those routes.

  23. It apparently is that complicated, since the NFL continues to fine what would be legal under your not-so-complicated explanation.

  24. It apparently is that complicated, since the NFL continues to fine what would be legal under your not-so-complicated explanation.

  25. You know that whole thing about not knowing what language people in london speak was a joke, right? Or are you three years behind on that one?

  26. You know that whole thing about not knowing what language people in london speak was a joke, right? Or are you three years behind on that one?

  27. This is nuts. If this is the way these guys have played since high school then there is as serious flaw in the developmental levels. Using your helmet as a battering ram or launching into a players head area have never been legal.

  28. This is nuts. If this is the way these guys have played since high school then there is as serious flaw in the developmental levels. Using your helmet as a battering ram or launching into a players head area have never been legal.

  29. Quit being such a pussy, Mike. Seriously – your campaign to completely pussify the sport is grating on most fans’ nerves. Have you ever played this game? I played safety for a number of years (before you actually had to be fast) and I learned to hit whilst playing rugby (a real man’s sport that has not and will not change) in England (where we do, in fact, speak English).
    Deliberate hits to the head are wrong (as are most Buddy Ryanesque moves) but when you are moving at full speed and the guy you are hitting is moving at full speed, things happen that are out of the control of the player. In short, a defensive player will have to pull up no matter the hit. If you want to make things safer, punish the obvious head hits – much like the 5 yard versus 15 yard facemask penalty.
    So let’s just cut the roster in half and only field offensive players. Should be so much fun to watch. I’m going to invest in the flag football gear companies. I’ll make a GD fortune. I guess i should be grateful to you for my future riches.
    If the NFL is serious about this, they should simply require teams to field a defense made up of only women. The No Fun League has gone too far. When you don pads and a helmet you are essentially acknowledging (and thus agreeing to tacit terms and conditions) that hitting and being hit is part of the game.
    You, Mike, are the distillation of all that America has become and is becoming. You’re attitude of pure protectionism is the worst this country has to offer. What’s next for you?: Let’s lock our children in their rooms until they are 18 to make sure there is no danger. Dress them in padded tutus and lifejackets when they come out to eat dinner.
    Seriously, grow a pair and shut up with this. You and the NFL are going to drive people away from this sport. We are already creating a generation of litigious wimps. Don’t add to the problem.
    Dammit – where can watch rugby and Aussie football? At least the Brits and Aussies play for real.

  30. Quit being such a pussy, Mike. Seriously – your campaign to completely pussify the sport is grating on most fans’ nerves. Have you ever played this game? I played safety for a number of years (before you actually had to be fast) and I learned to hit whilst playing rugby (a real man’s sport that has not and will not change) in England (where we do, in fact, speak English).
    Deliberate hits to the head are wrong (as are most Buddy Ryanesque moves) but when you are moving at full speed and the guy you are hitting is moving at full speed, things happen that are out of the control of the player. In short, a defensive player will have to pull up no matter the hit. If you want to make things safer, punish the obvious head hits – much like the 5 yard versus 15 yard facemask penalty.
    So let’s just cut the roster in half and only field offensive players. Should be so much fun to watch. I’m going to invest in the flag football gear companies. I’ll make a GD fortune. I guess i should be grateful to you for my future riches.
    If the NFL is serious about this, they should simply require teams to field a defense made up of only women. The No Fun League has gone too far. When you don pads and a helmet you are essentially acknowledging (and thus agreeing to tacit terms and conditions) that hitting and being hit is part of the game.
    You, Mike, are the distillation of all that America has become and is becoming. You’re attitude of pure protectionism is the worst this country has to offer. What’s next for you?: Let’s lock our children in their rooms until they are 18 to make sure there is no danger. Dress them in padded tutus and lifejackets when they come out to eat dinner.
    Seriously, grow a pair and shut up with this. You and the NFL are going to drive people away from this sport. We are already creating a generation of litigious wimps. Don’t add to the problem.
    Dammit – where can watch rugby and Aussie football? At least the Brits and Aussies play for real.

  31. “Just when i think you couldn’t get any dumber you go and do something like this and totally redeem yourself.” Ok Crowder didn’t redeem himself he just proved that over time and with more money he remains among the dumbest players in the NFL. Florio, didn’t Crowder threaten to fight you not long ago?

  32. “Just when i think you couldn’t get any dumber you go and do something like this and totally redeem yourself.” Ok Crowder didn’t redeem himself he just proved that over time and with more money he remains among the dumbest players in the NFL. Florio, didn’t Crowder threaten to fight you not long ago?

  33. Channing”Mr 2.5 sacks in 72 games,1 interception in 72 games,3 forced fumbles in 72 games,Crowder”
    has been playing in pink for 72 games

  34. Channing”Mr 2.5 sacks in 72 games,1 interception in 72 games,3 forced fumbles in 72 games,Crowder”
    has been playing in pink for 72 games

  35. Crowder with a rare hit.
    He is correct, too.
    Florio, you’re an idiot who obviously has absolutely no knowledge of kinistetics.
    Go back to law d bag.
    Oh, and all the mini-d bags defending this ludicrous point of view, leading with the CROWN of the helmet is illegal. Leading with other parts (the earhole and facemask in particular) is not only legal, but proper technique. Those who have played football and been taught to square a man up and lead with the nose “see what you hit” know this. All the pussies worried about fantasy leagues wouldn’t know thing one about this.

  36. Crowder with a rare hit.
    He is correct, too.
    Florio, you’re an idiot who obviously has absolutely no knowledge of kinistetics.
    Go back to law d bag.
    Oh, and all the mini-d bags defending this ludicrous point of view, leading with the CROWN of the helmet is illegal. Leading with other parts (the earhole and facemask in particular) is not only legal, but proper technique. Those who have played football and been taught to square a man up and lead with the nose “see what you hit” know this. All the pussies worried about fantasy leagues wouldn’t know thing one about this.

  37. The funny thing is that I don’t recall Crowder EVER getting called for a helmet-to-helmet hit – or even getting fined for that matter.

  38. The funny thing is that I don’t recall Crowder EVER getting called for a helmet-to-helmet hit – or even getting fined for that matter.

  39. You can tell who has played football and who hasn’t by what they post.
    Anybody who has never played before does not understand that football is a contact sport.
    Football players are taught to leave it all on the field.
    My coaches taught me to be ‘hell bent for leather’ on every play.
    Players are taught that not playing your hardest on every play is the easiest way to get injured.
    Form tackling does include leading with your head, it’s impossible not to.
    Burying your facemask in the ball carriers numbers is STILL LEADING WITH YOUR HEAD IDIOTS!!
    Contact sports are not called contact sports because players are not supposed to make contact!!
    Listen to the players, not a bunch of suits who make decisions behind their mahogany desks!

  40. You can tell who has played football and who hasn’t by what they post.
    Anybody who has never played before does not understand that football is a contact sport.
    Football players are taught to leave it all on the field.
    My coaches taught me to be ‘hell bent for leather’ on every play.
    Players are taught that not playing your hardest on every play is the easiest way to get injured.
    Form tackling does include leading with your head, it’s impossible not to.
    Burying your facemask in the ball carriers numbers is STILL LEADING WITH YOUR HEAD IDIOTS!!
    Contact sports are not called contact sports because players are not supposed to make contact!!
    Listen to the players, not a bunch of suits who make decisions behind their mahogany desks!

  41. HAHAHA. I think the best part of all this crap going on is these panzys who agree. wah wah blah blah protect players. Seriously….DONT PLAY FOOTBALL IF YOU CANT HANDLE IT. So if the players stop aiming for the head and they start aiming for torso’s and players ribs start getting broken more and they stop shi**ing right shld they ban hitting in the torso? Then when they do and all your allowed to do is hit below the torso guys will start losing kneecaps. Mor broken legs. Will u panzys still be crying about the protection of players? Hey i have an idea…….lets start doing weight class teams. 150plders on colts and eagles. 170plders on lions and rams. You people are unbelievable. If you dnt like watching people get hurt start going to church on sundays instead of watching football.

  42. HAHAHA. I think the best part of all this crap going on is these panzys who agree. wah wah blah blah protect players. Seriously….DONT PLAY FOOTBALL IF YOU CANT HANDLE IT. So if the players stop aiming for the head and they start aiming for torso’s and players ribs start getting broken more and they stop shi**ing right shld they ban hitting in the torso? Then when they do and all your allowed to do is hit below the torso guys will start losing kneecaps. Mor broken legs. Will u panzys still be crying about the protection of players? Hey i have an idea…….lets start doing weight class teams. 150plders on colts and eagles. 170plders on lions and rams. You people are unbelievable. If you dnt like watching people get hurt start going to church on sundays instead of watching football.

  43. I have no idea why Crowder is even chiming in on this. I can’t remember the last time he had a big hit like the ones they are talking about. He is a decent player but he is no big hitter and I doubt the change in interpretation will effect him much at all.

  44. I have no idea why Crowder is even chiming in on this. I can’t remember the last time he had a big hit like the ones they are talking about. He is a decent player but he is no big hitter and I doubt the change in interpretation will effect him much at all.

  45. I used to really like you mike until you turned into such a bitch about this topic. I agree helmet to helmet hits should be punished more, but how can you fine 50,000 dollars for a legal hit like dunta robinson’s hit. You say the rules haven’t changed in your gay little writeup about the suspensions but how does a player making a perfectly legal hit get fined 50,000 dollars for leading with his shoulder. I get how you write about when dirty players such as James Harrison complain about the suspensions but why dont you write about how class acts like phillip daniels and ray lewis complain about it? How about writing how joshua cribbs shows no ill will towards james harrison? stop being such a pussy.

  46. I used to really like you mike until you turned into such a bitch about this topic. I agree helmet to helmet hits should be punished more, but how can you fine 50,000 dollars for a legal hit like dunta robinson’s hit. You say the rules haven’t changed in your gay little writeup about the suspensions but how does a player making a perfectly legal hit get fined 50,000 dollars for leading with his shoulder. I get how you write about when dirty players such as James Harrison complain about the suspensions but why dont you write about how class acts like phillip daniels and ray lewis complain about it? How about writing how joshua cribbs shows no ill will towards james harrison? stop being such a pussy.

  47. this is all bullshit, you’re not supposed to lead with your head period, it poses a danger to yourself and others, these guys are a bunch of meatheads…

  48. this is all bullshit, you’re not supposed to lead with your head period, it poses a danger to yourself and others, these guys are a bunch of meatheads…

  49. What a bunch of false macho bravado. If they really want to be tough and un-feminine then perhaps the players should lobby to go back to the old days when helmets were simply padded leather with no face mask. I’d like to see one of these guys lead with their head then. As it now, when they lead with their head, the helmet is a weapon and the league is right to crack down on these illegal hits. They can still hit hard within the limits of the rules.

  50. What a bunch of false macho bravado. If they really want to be tough and un-feminine then perhaps the players should lobby to go back to the old days when helmets were simply padded leather with no face mask. I’d like to see one of these guys lead with their head then. As it now, when they lead with their head, the helmet is a weapon and the league is right to crack down on these illegal hits. They can still hit hard within the limits of the rules.

  51. It would be interesting to see if some marque names from the
    nfl “retire” only to switch over to the UFL. The NFL is slowly destroying itself, no celebrations after touchdowns, dont hit the qb, dont hit a guy to hard because “he might get hurt” all these rules are starting to turn off the average fan and the players but if a league like the ufl was able to pick off a couple of stars from the nfl maybe we could finally have a competing league who doesnt try to legislate the violence out of football. It would be nice to see football the way it was meant to be played.

  52. It would be interesting to see if some marque names from the
    nfl “retire” only to switch over to the UFL. The NFL is slowly destroying itself, no celebrations after touchdowns, dont hit the qb, dont hit a guy to hard because “he might get hurt” all these rules are starting to turn off the average fan and the players but if a league like the ufl was able to pick off a couple of stars from the nfl maybe we could finally have a competing league who doesnt try to legislate the violence out of football. It would be nice to see football the way it was meant to be played.

  53. maybe Crowder went to law school with Florio……He definitely went to English class with (most of the rest of the league)oops I meant Clinton Portis……

  54. maybe Crowder went to law school with Florio……He definitely went to English class with (most of the rest of the league)oops I meant Clinton Portis……

  55. Brian Urlacher has chimed in that they’re turning it into the NFFL (National Flag Football League) and I can’t say I disagree. So thanks Florio for spearheading the complete wussification of what once was the greatest game there is.

  56. Brian Urlacher has chimed in that they’re turning it into the NFFL (National Flag Football League) and I can’t say I disagree. So thanks Florio for spearheading the complete wussification of what once was the greatest game there is.

  57. Ok Florio, I know you have some personal issues with that guy. But you should try to be objective!!!
    Channing Crowder has never been banned or fined for any helmet-to-helmet hit at all in his career (nor is he known for playing dirty – he’s known for talking trash, not playing dirty).

  58. Ok Florio, I know you have some personal issues with that guy. But you should try to be objective!!!
    Channing Crowder has never been banned or fined for any helmet-to-helmet hit at all in his career (nor is he known for playing dirty – he’s known for talking trash, not playing dirty).

  59. Loved the “wearing pink every week.” One week of pink clothes on football players gets the point across to me. Can we let these guys go back to dressing like men again?

  60. Loved the “wearing pink every week.” One week of pink clothes on football players gets the point across to me. Can we let these guys go back to dressing like men again?

  61. The best way to cut down on head injuries is to remove helmets and pads from the player’s uniforms. Seriously! All that padding makes players feel invincible. Remove it. Then watch how many knuckleheads go flying head first into another player. Won’t happen anymore. Defenders will actually have to learn how to wrap up and tackle properly like they did in the 1920’s.

  62. The best way to cut down on head injuries is to remove helmets and pads from the player’s uniforms. Seriously! All that padding makes players feel invincible. Remove it. Then watch how many knuckleheads go flying head first into another player. Won’t happen anymore. Defenders will actually have to learn how to wrap up and tackle properly like they did in the 1920’s.

  63. @clock is king ..well said .. when your going as fast as u possibly can u cant pull up .. another thing .. my job is dangerous people die every year ..where are these people crying that my job is dangerous? or some other blue collar guy? ….. ….just sayin

  64. @clock is king ..well said .. when your going as fast as u possibly can u cant pull up .. another thing .. my job is dangerous people die every year ..where are these people crying that my job is dangerous? or some other blue collar guy? ….. ….just sayin

  65. “You, Mike, are the distillation of all that America has become and is becoming. You’re attitude of pure protectionism is the worst this country has to offer. What’s next for you?: Let’s lock our children in their rooms until they are 18 to make sure there is no danger. Dress them in padded tutus and lifejackets when they come out to eat dinner.”
    Classic internet “tough guy”, talking crap and leaping to hilariously absurd conclusions with no basis in reality.
    The NFL has gone too far with things like banning any kind of celebration, but there’s nothing “pussifying” about banning flying, helmet-to-helmet hits. Football should be rough, but I don’t see the fun in the game being stopped because of guys being unnecessarily concussed. I understand that not all head injuries and the like are preventable, but there’s nothing wrong with banning the superfluous crap.
    Seriously, Rodney Harrison is fine with these rule changes. That says far more than any of you whining, arm chair linebackers complaining about “wussification”. Shut up and enjoy the game. It’s still a game.

  66. “You, Mike, are the distillation of all that America has become and is becoming. You’re attitude of pure protectionism is the worst this country has to offer. What’s next for you?: Let’s lock our children in their rooms until they are 18 to make sure there is no danger. Dress them in padded tutus and lifejackets when they come out to eat dinner.”
    Classic internet “tough guy”, talking crap and leaping to hilariously absurd conclusions with no basis in reality.
    The NFL has gone too far with things like banning any kind of celebration, but there’s nothing “pussifying” about banning flying, helmet-to-helmet hits. Football should be rough, but I don’t see the fun in the game being stopped because of guys being unnecessarily concussed. I understand that not all head injuries and the like are preventable, but there’s nothing wrong with banning the superfluous crap.
    Seriously, Rodney Harrison is fine with these rule changes. That says far more than any of you whining, arm chair linebackers complaining about “wussification”. Shut up and enjoy the game. It’s still a game.

  67. @pghguyy33 – lot’s of people have dangerous jobs. That doesn’t mean you should intentionally ignore safe behaviors.

  68. @pghguyy33 – lot’s of people have dangerous jobs. That doesn’t mean you should intentionally ignore safe behaviors.

  69. Re: “It’s not that complicated. First, don’t lead with your helmet, ever. Second, don’t hit a guy who has just caught a pass with your helmet and don’t hit him in the head or neck with any other part of your body. ”
    Question…Florio, did you EVER play the game at even a college level?
    It is pretty easy to talk about proper technique from your coach, it is an entirely different thing to execute this every single time in the heat of the battle given the speed of the game.
    You make it seem like the offensive player is a stationary object not trying to avoid you at best or trying to get low to avoid getting creamed.
    It is football…men hit each other and intimidate through violence. This is not a new thing. The difference is that training, drugs, nutrition, etc. have all improved the size, strength and speed of the players.

  70. Re: “It’s not that complicated. First, don’t lead with your helmet, ever. Second, don’t hit a guy who has just caught a pass with your helmet and don’t hit him in the head or neck with any other part of your body. ”
    Question…Florio, did you EVER play the game at even a college level?
    It is pretty easy to talk about proper technique from your coach, it is an entirely different thing to execute this every single time in the heat of the battle given the speed of the game.
    You make it seem like the offensive player is a stationary object not trying to avoid you at best or trying to get low to avoid getting creamed.
    It is football…men hit each other and intimidate through violence. This is not a new thing. The difference is that training, drugs, nutrition, etc. have all improved the size, strength and speed of the players.

  71. Piecesof8…Rodney Harrison doesn’t play the game anymore and thus won’t be affected by the rule change.
    I don’t see a chorus of current top defense players supporting the rule change.

  72. Piecesof8…Rodney Harrison doesn’t play the game anymore and thus won’t be affected by the rule change.
    I don’t see a chorus of current top defense players supporting the rule change.

  73. Channing is no fool, hes setting himself up for a TV gig after his playing days are over, the more he runs his mouth, the better chance he has to be a new talking head. Bill

  74. Channing is no fool, hes setting himself up for a TV gig after his playing days are over, the more he runs his mouth, the better chance he has to be a new talking head. Bill

  75. @Piecesof8:
    First of all, it’s called “exaggeration to make a point.” If you had listened to your 2nd grade English teacher, you’d know that.
    Second, I don’t need the internet to be a tough guy. I have played without pads and helmets – it’s called rugby and it is, by far, a rougher, uglier game than American Football. I have also played American Football at the college level. I have also been ejected for hitting hard. Helmet to helmet? Sure, but never deliberately. When a particular WR was taunting me over and over because he kept making plays on me (yes, he was a vastly superior player), I took the one chance I got and hit him so hard he couldn’t breathe. Hit him mid air and drilled him into the turf. 220 pounds slamming his hundred and eighty five into hardpack. He just lay on the ground squealing and moaning. It was a legal hit but I was ejected because I stood over him screaming and they figured I’d tried to hurt him. It was worth the ejection to see that little bastard limp off the field on the shoulders of the trainers. So, no, I don’t need the internet to be a tough guy. You, on the other hand wouldn’t have the nuts to say any of this to my face. I was big for the position then and am bigger now. Meaner, too, when needed. However, for all my ability to talk things out (that is humor, meatball), I’d rather not with the likes of you. Next time you want to chime in when you haven’t played a down in your little pipsqueak, pussy, fantasy-league life… don’t.
    Let the players play. They know the dangers. They’ve known them since pop Warner. Penalties and reasonable fines for a true helmet to helmet hit commensurate with the obvious intent (ala facemask penalties) will do enough. Can’t wait for the UFL to be widely televised. Between this and how bad my Fins continue to be, it may be time to move forward.

  76. @Piecesof8:
    First of all, it’s called “exaggeration to make a point.” If you had listened to your 2nd grade English teacher, you’d know that.
    Second, I don’t need the internet to be a tough guy. I have played without pads and helmets – it’s called rugby and it is, by far, a rougher, uglier game than American Football. I have also played American Football at the college level. I have also been ejected for hitting hard. Helmet to helmet? Sure, but never deliberately. When a particular WR was taunting me over and over because he kept making plays on me (yes, he was a vastly superior player), I took the one chance I got and hit him so hard he couldn’t breathe. Hit him mid air and drilled him into the turf. 220 pounds slamming his hundred and eighty five into hardpack. He just lay on the ground squealing and moaning. It was a legal hit but I was ejected because I stood over him screaming and they figured I’d tried to hurt him. It was worth the ejection to see that little bastard limp off the field on the shoulders of the trainers. So, no, I don’t need the internet to be a tough guy. You, on the other hand wouldn’t have the nuts to say any of this to my face. I was big for the position then and am bigger now. Meaner, too, when needed. However, for all my ability to talk things out (that is humor, meatball), I’d rather not with the likes of you. Next time you want to chime in when you haven’t played a down in your little pipsqueak, pussy, fantasy-league life… don’t.
    Let the players play. They know the dangers. They’ve known them since pop Warner. Penalties and reasonable fines for a true helmet to helmet hit commensurate with the obvious intent (ala facemask penalties) will do enough. Can’t wait for the UFL to be widely televised. Between this and how bad my Fins continue to be, it may be time to move forward.

  77. “Seriously, Rodney Harrison is fine with these rule changes. That says far more than any of you whining, arm chair linebackers complaining about “wussification”. Shut up and enjoy the game. It’s still a game.”
    Ask Rodney Harrison if he’d be fine with the rule changes if he was still depending on a check from the NFL and not from NBC, moron.

  78. “Seriously, Rodney Harrison is fine with these rule changes. That says far more than any of you whining, arm chair linebackers complaining about “wussification”. Shut up and enjoy the game. It’s still a game.”
    Ask Rodney Harrison if he’d be fine with the rule changes if he was still depending on a check from the NFL and not from NBC, moron.

  79. So now Florio is explaining the art of tackling to men paid millions of dollars to do it?
    Interesting over-simplification. Form tacking the way you describe it fails to understand that the defensive player has no idea how the offensive player is going to move to prevent the tackle.
    A hit aimed at the chest can become helmet-to-helmet if the offensive player ducks his head, dives for more yardage, or changes direction.
    Form tackles are as easy as you describe if the offensive player agrees to stand still.

  80. So now Florio is explaining the art of tackling to men paid millions of dollars to do it?
    Interesting over-simplification. Form tacking the way you describe it fails to understand that the defensive player has no idea how the offensive player is going to move to prevent the tackle.
    A hit aimed at the chest can become helmet-to-helmet if the offensive player ducks his head, dives for more yardage, or changes direction.
    Form tackles are as easy as you describe if the offensive player agrees to stand still.

  81. Who the hell is Channing Crowder?
    Also, why don’t people understand that you, as a defensive player, can completely jack a dude up. Break some ribs, body slam his ass, pile drive that sumbitch to the turf.
    But you can’t intentionally spear his head with your helmet. It’s that simple. This has nothing to do with girlifying the sport or let’s wear pink or no fun league or any of that.
    Don’t you guys understand that the dudes who played football in the seventies and eighties can’t even remember how to brush their teeth or what their wives names are.
    We’re destined to have another generation of ballplayers who begin to need assisted living at the age of 43.
    Let’s put an end to the head shots.

  82. Who the hell is Channing Crowder?
    Also, why don’t people understand that you, as a defensive player, can completely jack a dude up. Break some ribs, body slam his ass, pile drive that sumbitch to the turf.
    But you can’t intentionally spear his head with your helmet. It’s that simple. This has nothing to do with girlifying the sport or let’s wear pink or no fun league or any of that.
    Don’t you guys understand that the dudes who played football in the seventies and eighties can’t even remember how to brush their teeth or what their wives names are.
    We’re destined to have another generation of ballplayers who begin to need assisted living at the age of 43.
    Let’s put an end to the head shots.

  83. I am a Dolphins fan who went to UF. Every time he speaks, he embarrasses me doubly. Miami, please trade him, already. Crowder does nothing but talk…and take poor lines toward ballcarriers.

  84. I am a Dolphins fan who went to UF. Every time he speaks, he embarrasses me doubly. Miami, please trade him, already. Crowder does nothing but talk…and take poor lines toward ballcarriers.

  85. agree 100 percent with chowder. what can u do. if theres a play a WR catches it. and DB goes to hit him hes goin to go 80 percent compared to WR goin 100 percent and injuries will happen that way but for DB.. hey WRs and TE u dont wanna hit hard. play D.
    goodell is losin his fans one by one year by year until the games changed and noone wants it. i love football but im gettin tired of seein 100 flags a game for bullshit. now this.
    i played football for 4 years in hs. i was a wr got smacked plenty of times and had a concussion but i signed up to play n knew the risk. nfl is losin value by the day

  86. agree 100 percent with chowder. what can u do. if theres a play a WR catches it. and DB goes to hit him hes goin to go 80 percent compared to WR goin 100 percent and injuries will happen that way but for DB.. hey WRs and TE u dont wanna hit hard. play D.
    goodell is losin his fans one by one year by year until the games changed and noone wants it. i love football but im gettin tired of seein 100 flags a game for bullshit. now this.
    i played football for 4 years in hs. i was a wr got smacked plenty of times and had a concussion but i signed up to play n knew the risk. nfl is losin value by the day

  87. ps more hyprocit alert.. not only did nfl sell photos “illegal and devistating hits that wont be tolerated” to make a profit..
    but as i recall the league said on the calvin johnson rule and any other rule players/fans WANT that well review after season and it wouldnt be fair to impose middle season.. right so u change one of the biggest if not the biggest reason why nfl is around by changin tacklin from what i even learned and idont play footballno more.

  88. ps more hyprocit alert.. not only did nfl sell photos “illegal and devistating hits that wont be tolerated” to make a profit..
    but as i recall the league said on the calvin johnson rule and any other rule players/fans WANT that well review after season and it wouldnt be fair to impose middle season.. right so u change one of the biggest if not the biggest reason why nfl is around by changin tacklin from what i even learned and idont play footballno more.

  89. billsfan1 says:
    October 20, 2010 8:57 PM
    thank god this guy has something to say…. ive been waiting. its been what? two whole days…….i cant help but love how middle of the road ball players talk sooo much…
    first thing the league should do is fine players whose talking is not commensurate with their accompolishments
    __________
    first off ur a bill fan so u prob see ur players gettin smacked more than usual lol.. second off. what do u mean fine players for what opinions lmao. free speech i believe is what makes america, america. and thirdly ..shut up. we all feel the same way chowder does

  90. billsfan1 says:
    October 20, 2010 8:57 PM
    thank god this guy has something to say…. ive been waiting. its been what? two whole days…….i cant help but love how middle of the road ball players talk sooo much…
    first thing the league should do is fine players whose talking is not commensurate with their accompolishments
    __________
    first off ur a bill fan so u prob see ur players gettin smacked more than usual lol.. second off. what do u mean fine players for what opinions lmao. free speech i believe is what makes america, america. and thirdly ..shut up. we all feel the same way chowder does

  91. FutureChamps says:
    October 20, 2010 9:45 PM
    It would be interesting to see if some marque names from the
    nfl “retire” only to switch over to the UFL. The NFL is slowly destroying itself, no celebrations after touchdowns, dont hit the qb, dont hit a guy to hard because “he might get hurt” all these rules are starting to turn off the average fan and the players but if a league like the ufl was able to pick off a couple of stars from the nfl maybe we could finally have a competing league who doesnt try to legislate the violence out of football. It would be nice to see football the way it was meant to be played.
    ___________
    u are absolutly right. and one thing is alot of players who played in nfl previous yrs are no on ufl teams. i would love to see key players switch over. so i can watch ufl instead where i guarntee theyll play the game right way.. ppl dont understand every offseason a new rule is in effect. it keeps goin whats the next rule change after this one. its not goin 2 stop .

  92. FutureChamps says:
    October 20, 2010 9:45 PM
    It would be interesting to see if some marque names from the
    nfl “retire” only to switch over to the UFL. The NFL is slowly destroying itself, no celebrations after touchdowns, dont hit the qb, dont hit a guy to hard because “he might get hurt” all these rules are starting to turn off the average fan and the players but if a league like the ufl was able to pick off a couple of stars from the nfl maybe we could finally have a competing league who doesnt try to legislate the violence out of football. It would be nice to see football the way it was meant to be played.
    ___________
    u are absolutly right. and one thing is alot of players who played in nfl previous yrs are no on ufl teams. i would love to see key players switch over. so i can watch ufl instead where i guarntee theyll play the game right way.. ppl dont understand every offseason a new rule is in effect. it keeps goin whats the next rule change after this one. its not goin 2 stop .

  93. “They can complain, they can suspend, they can fine and they can do whatever they want, but you can’t stop a man from playing football the way he’s been playing since high school,” Crowder said, per Andy Kent of FanHouse.com.
    ————–
    I wonder if Crowder also did a 5-minute, celebratory dance every time one of his teammates in high school made a tackle.

  94. “They can complain, they can suspend, they can fine and they can do whatever they want, but you can’t stop a man from playing football the way he’s been playing since high school,” Crowder said, per Andy Kent of FanHouse.com.
    ————–
    I wonder if Crowder also did a 5-minute, celebratory dance every time one of his teammates in high school made a tackle.

  95. TopJimmy says:
    October 20, 2010 11:13 PM
    @Piecesof8:
    First of all, it’s called “exaggeration to make a point.” If you had listened to your 2nd grade English teacher, you’d know that.
    Second, I don’t need the internet to be a tough guy. I have played without pads and helmets – it’s called rugby and it is, by far, a rougher, uglier game than American Football.
    ========================
    If you’ve actually played rugby, you know that it is possible to have rules regarding dangerous tackling and still have a violent sport.
    So I am a little stunned at your resistance to the leaugue deciding to enforce a few relatively simple rules regarding tackling.
    Very few hits from last week violate these rules (a total of 4 were deemed fineable) out of hundreds and hundreds of hits. Under the rules of rugby, which are much more restrictive (must wrap up on all tackles, no launching the body, no hitting above the shoulders, no hitting players in the air), at least 50 players probably would have been sent off the pitch immediately.
    Yet no one is accusing rugby players of being sissies or playing pattycake, so I really don’t understand all the vitriol here.
    The game of football will be just fine. What are All of you chicken littles claiming football is dead going to do when we get to the end of the season and see how little overall effect the enforcement of these rules really had?

  96. TopJimmy says:
    October 20, 2010 11:13 PM
    @Piecesof8:
    First of all, it’s called “exaggeration to make a point.” If you had listened to your 2nd grade English teacher, you’d know that.
    Second, I don’t need the internet to be a tough guy. I have played without pads and helmets – it’s called rugby and it is, by far, a rougher, uglier game than American Football.
    ========================
    If you’ve actually played rugby, you know that it is possible to have rules regarding dangerous tackling and still have a violent sport.
    So I am a little stunned at your resistance to the leaugue deciding to enforce a few relatively simple rules regarding tackling.
    Very few hits from last week violate these rules (a total of 4 were deemed fineable) out of hundreds and hundreds of hits. Under the rules of rugby, which are much more restrictive (must wrap up on all tackles, no launching the body, no hitting above the shoulders, no hitting players in the air), at least 50 players probably would have been sent off the pitch immediately.
    Yet no one is accusing rugby players of being sissies or playing pattycake, so I really don’t understand all the vitriol here.
    The game of football will be just fine. What are All of you chicken littles claiming football is dead going to do when we get to the end of the season and see how little overall effect the enforcement of these rules really had?

  97. Why not give the quote Crowder made about the only reason the NFL wants to save QB’s RB’s and WR’s is “they sell the jersey’s.” “Defense doesn’t”

  98. Why not give the quote Crowder made about the only reason the NFL wants to save QB’s RB’s and WR’s is “they sell the jersey’s.” “Defense doesn’t”

  99. jayy says:
    October 21, 2010 1:48 AM
    ps more hyprocit alert.. not only did nfl sell photos “illegal and devistating hits that wont be tolerated” to make a profit..
    but as i recall the league said on the calvin johnson rule and any other rule players/fans WANT that well review after season and it wouldnt be fair to impose middle season.. right so u change one of the biggest if not the biggest reason why nfl is around by changin tacklin from what i even learned and idont play footballno more.
    =============================
    What rule did they change? All they have said is that they are going to step up enforcement of rules already on the books.

  100. jayy says:
    October 21, 2010 1:48 AM
    ps more hyprocit alert.. not only did nfl sell photos “illegal and devistating hits that wont be tolerated” to make a profit..
    but as i recall the league said on the calvin johnson rule and any other rule players/fans WANT that well review after season and it wouldnt be fair to impose middle season.. right so u change one of the biggest if not the biggest reason why nfl is around by changin tacklin from what i even learned and idont play footballno more.
    =============================
    What rule did they change? All they have said is that they are going to step up enforcement of rules already on the books.

  101. Florio, everybody already knows that you take the sissy stance, as with every issue.
    Now if they just tell boxers to stop punching each other in the head.

  102. Florio, everybody already knows that you take the sissy stance, as with every issue.
    Now if they just tell boxers to stop punching each other in the head.

  103. After all this hoopla going on, I kind of welcome a lock-out in 2011.
    I’m against using the crown of the helmet as a weapon. That’s avoidable, and shouldn’t be tolerated. However, football is, and will continue to be a violent game (I think, anyways). It’s pretty simple science when you have the speed and force of these players meeting at a certain point. Something’s got to give.
    I’m more against the rules protecting QB’s (the Brady rule), celebration penalties, and the 18 game abomination, I mean schedule (I don’t mind pre-season games. Charge pre-season prices to attend them). It’s rubbish like that which waters down the product.
    Bring on 2011!!

  104. After all this hoopla going on, I kind of welcome a lock-out in 2011.
    I’m against using the crown of the helmet as a weapon. That’s avoidable, and shouldn’t be tolerated. However, football is, and will continue to be a violent game (I think, anyways). It’s pretty simple science when you have the speed and force of these players meeting at a certain point. Something’s got to give.
    I’m more against the rules protecting QB’s (the Brady rule), celebration penalties, and the 18 game abomination, I mean schedule (I don’t mind pre-season games. Charge pre-season prices to attend them). It’s rubbish like that which waters down the product.
    Bring on 2011!!

  105. You may need to amend the “It’s not that complicated” statement. I would suggest an addition to the end of “for someone who’s never played the game at a high level to talk about doing.”

  106. You may need to amend the “It’s not that complicated” statement. I would suggest an addition to the end of “for someone who’s never played the game at a high level to talk about doing.”

  107. When learning to tackle you’re taught to always keep your head up “do not lower your head or go in head first”. The reasoning was always because of the risk of injury to your neck. If you watch the hit Harrison put on Cribbs he lowers his head and rams him with his helmet. He is using his helmet as a weapon.

  108. When learning to tackle you’re taught to always keep your head up “do not lower your head or go in head first”. The reasoning was always because of the risk of injury to your neck. If you watch the hit Harrison put on Cribbs he lowers his head and rams him with his helmet. He is using his helmet as a weapon.

  109. “billsfan1 says:
    October 20, 2010 8:57 PM
    thank god this guy has something to say…. ive been waiting. its been what? two whole days…….i cant help but love how middle of the road ball players talk sooo much…

    As a Bills fan, you have no room to talk about middle of the road players. If you had a team full of them, you would have at least won a game already.

  110. “billsfan1 says:
    October 20, 2010 8:57 PM
    thank god this guy has something to say…. ive been waiting. its been what? two whole days…….i cant help but love how middle of the road ball players talk sooo much…

    As a Bills fan, you have no room to talk about middle of the road players. If you had a team full of them, you would have at least won a game already.

  111. Let’s do a little math, children.
    Approximate numbers of plays per game: 120
    Games played last weekend: 14
    Total number of plays: 120 x 14= 1,680
    Number of plays that were incomplete passes (estimated): 420
    Total plays where someone tackled someone: 1,240
    Number of fines for illegal hits: 4
    Percentage of hits that were deemed legal by the league: 99.997%
    And this is going to ruin football?

  112. Let’s do a little math, children.
    Approximate numbers of plays per game: 120
    Games played last weekend: 14
    Total number of plays: 120 x 14= 1,680
    Number of plays that were incomplete passes (estimated): 420
    Total plays where someone tackled someone: 1,240
    Number of fines for illegal hits: 4
    Percentage of hits that were deemed legal by the league: 99.997%
    And this is going to ruin football?

  113. You left out Chowderhead’s comment towards James Harrison….. ” We’re still gonna go out and hit people and play defense, they can do want they want to us, we ain’t gonna retire over it!” played on Mike and Mike in the Morning…

  114. You left out Chowderhead’s comment towards James Harrison….. ” We’re still gonna go out and hit people and play defense, they can do want they want to us, we ain’t gonna retire over it!” played on Mike and Mike in the Morning…

  115. muhangis says:
    October 21, 2010 8:08 AM
    Florio, everybody already knows that you take the sissy stance, as with every issue.
    ================
    And because you support the right of football players to cripple each other, you’re a tough guy.

  116. muhangis says:
    October 21, 2010 8:08 AM
    Florio, everybody already knows that you take the sissy stance, as with every issue.
    ================
    And because you support the right of football players to cripple each other, you’re a tough guy.

  117. Florio keep trying to promote the diluted game the league wants…I promise you the UFL is freaking psyched because a new CBA wont be signed under this bull crap conditions..players will go play in the UFL next year!!!! Hope you and Roger Goodell enjoyed your efforts in killing the NFL!!! Mabey some group will give you a humanatarian award but this site will be reporting checkers

  118. Florio keep trying to promote the diluted game the league wants…I promise you the UFL is freaking psyched because a new CBA wont be signed under this bull crap conditions..players will go play in the UFL next year!!!! Hope you and Roger Goodell enjoyed your efforts in killing the NFL!!! Mabey some group will give you a humanatarian award but this site will be reporting checkers

  119. Offensive players need to share some of the blame for these hits. They need to stop leading with their heads too. Maybe they should run backwards all the time or lean back like they are doing the limbo…that way the defense doesn’t smack them in the head when tackling them or breaking up a pass.

  120. Offensive players need to share some of the blame for these hits. They need to stop leading with their heads too. Maybe they should run backwards all the time or lean back like they are doing the limbo…that way the defense doesn’t smack them in the head when tackling them or breaking up a pass.

  121. Clock_Is_King says:
    October 20, 2010 9:24 PM
    You can tell who has played football and who hasn’t by what they post.
    Anybody who has never played before does not understand that football is a contact sport.
    Football players are taught to leave it all on the field.
    My coaches taught me to be ‘hell bent for leather’ on every play.
    Players are taught that not playing your hardest on every play is the easiest way to get injured.
    Form tackling does include leading with your head, it’s impossible not to.
    Burying your facemask in the ball carriers numbers is STILL LEADING WITH YOUR HEAD IDIOTS!!
    Contact sports are not called contact sports because players are not supposed to make contact!!
    Listen to the players, not a bunch of suits who make decisions behind their mahogany desks!
    ===
    You obviously did not play football, or if you did you didn’t have coaches. I’m not even going to comment about your lack of reading comprehension. The issue isn’t leading with the “head”, it’s leading with the crown of your helmet and burying it into the receiver’s jaw.
    Form tackling teaches leading with either the shoulder or the facemask. Not only is this how you make a surer tackle (one poster mentioned it: see what you’re hitting, because if you don’t the runer can juke you and all of a sudden you’re tackling air), but also this reduces risk of neck injury to the tackler. Most neck injuries occur due to neck compression which typically happens when – you guess it – a tackler leads with the top of his head. This isn’t about protecting just the receiver, but protecting the defender too.

  122. Clock_Is_King says:
    October 20, 2010 9:24 PM
    You can tell who has played football and who hasn’t by what they post.
    Anybody who has never played before does not understand that football is a contact sport.
    Football players are taught to leave it all on the field.
    My coaches taught me to be ‘hell bent for leather’ on every play.
    Players are taught that not playing your hardest on every play is the easiest way to get injured.
    Form tackling does include leading with your head, it’s impossible not to.
    Burying your facemask in the ball carriers numbers is STILL LEADING WITH YOUR HEAD IDIOTS!!
    Contact sports are not called contact sports because players are not supposed to make contact!!
    Listen to the players, not a bunch of suits who make decisions behind their mahogany desks!
    ===
    You obviously did not play football, or if you did you didn’t have coaches. I’m not even going to comment about your lack of reading comprehension. The issue isn’t leading with the “head”, it’s leading with the crown of your helmet and burying it into the receiver’s jaw.
    Form tackling teaches leading with either the shoulder or the facemask. Not only is this how you make a surer tackle (one poster mentioned it: see what you’re hitting, because if you don’t the runer can juke you and all of a sudden you’re tackling air), but also this reduces risk of neck injury to the tackler. Most neck injuries occur due to neck compression which typically happens when – you guess it – a tackler leads with the top of his head. This isn’t about protecting just the receiver, but protecting the defender too.

  123. Decades ago “tackling” became “hitting”, and it will take decades longer to undo that association. Tackling is bringing a man to the ground so he is down. You don’t need to strike them in the head or launch in to them to do that, particularly when they are stationary or defenseless, but it is now the machismo thing to do. They’ll have to suspend it out the lunkheads to make them see the point.

  124. Decades ago “tackling” became “hitting”, and it will take decades longer to undo that association. Tackling is bringing a man to the ground so he is down. You don’t need to strike them in the head or launch in to them to do that, particularly when they are stationary or defenseless, but it is now the machismo thing to do. They’ll have to suspend it out the lunkheads to make them see the point.

  125. In Florio’s article, he too, used the popular words, “don’t led with your helmet.” Asinine comment, totally ignorant.
    The helmet is on your head. When you go to tackle someone, the helmet is at the point of the attack, along with your arms and shoulder. It is, virtually, impossible for the helmet NOT to come into contact with some part of the offensive player’s body.
    Sometimes, due to the movement of that body during the course of the tackle, or on some occasions, while being tackled, or pushed, by another defensive player, the head will move and will come into contact with one of the defensive players helmets.
    It happens many,many times.
    That being said, what is the defensive player supposed to do to avoid this from happening, lead with his ass????

  126. In Florio’s article, he too, used the popular words, “don’t led with your helmet.” Asinine comment, totally ignorant.
    The helmet is on your head. When you go to tackle someone, the helmet is at the point of the attack, along with your arms and shoulder. It is, virtually, impossible for the helmet NOT to come into contact with some part of the offensive player’s body.
    Sometimes, due to the movement of that body during the course of the tackle, or on some occasions, while being tackled, or pushed, by another defensive player, the head will move and will come into contact with one of the defensive players helmets.
    It happens many,many times.
    That being said, what is the defensive player supposed to do to avoid this from happening, lead with his ass????

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