Jay Cutler trade fantasies start up in Chicago

22 games into the Jay Cutler era, some Bears fans have had enough. 

David Haugh of the Chicago Tribune writes a column Thursday in which he wonders whether Cutler could wind up back with Mike Shanahan in Washington.  Apparently, fans have started dreaming about the Bears signing hometown boy Donovan McNabb as a free agent and subsequently shipping Cutler to D.C.  (The Bears would also have to acquire Rex Grossman for the two minute drill.)

Haugh makes it clear this is just a fantasy, and not remotely likely.  It’s way too early for this sort of thing.  But the piece took a number of shots at Cutler’s ability to lead a team, which I found more interesting than random trade speculation.

1. “Cutler’s unrelenting immaturity too often undermines his immense talent.  And when he loses focus, he can lose teammates and games,” Haugh writes.

2. He calls McNabb the anti-Cutler in terms of charisma. 

3. Cutler “has no leadership skills.”  Haugh has to be getting this from those inside the organization.  He even takes a shot at Cutler’s girlfriend, which seems a little out of place in an otherwise engrossing column that accuses Cutler of immaturity.

I can’t help but think of Stefan Fatsis’ great book A Few Seconds of Panic and some interviews I heard from the author after it came out.  Cutler’s aloof lack of leadership was painted in much the same way.

Five years into Cutler’s career, the 27-year-old’s ability to lead has apparently stagnated in much the same manner as his quarterback rating.

91 responses to “Jay Cutler trade fantasies start up in Chicago

  1. Bad GM. Bad HC. Bad OC. Bad OL.
    These couldn’t have anything to do with Cutler’s mediocrity in Chicago?

  2. “He calls McNabb the anti-Cutler in terms of charisma.”
    I guess…if he means the 100% contrived, passive-aggressive kinda charisma where he never takes responsibility for ANYTHING and blames the defense, the young players, anyone else but himself.

  3. He’s 27. This is only his 4th year starting in the league. He does not have an offensive line and hasn’t for two years. He does not have the luxury of a running game to relieve some of the pressure he sees. His receiving core is mediocre at best. This constant beating of QB’s in the Chicago media is ridiculous. They turned Rex Grossman into a mental case in about one week in 2006. People act like the Bears have had a long, rich history of great QB’s. Who is he being compared to? The Funky QB?
    Writing stories about a guy that you barely know and making assumptions into the type of person he is is weak at best.
    If you’re a real Bears fan, then back your team. Don’t be like every other fairweather bum out there and bash your team when things are down and wear your Bears jersey to work when things are on the up and up.
    The onus is on the front office to surround that arm with talent. Sure, he makes some funky decisions here and there, but there’s a certain someone who’s been placed on the ultimate pedestal, that makes even worse ones (Favre, in case you didn’t already know).
    Peyton Manning can’t throw from his back either.
    GO BEARS!

  4. So let me get this straight…. the Bears are asking for Cutler to be traded because he lacks leadership on a team that lacks leadership from the top down? Perhaps the reason he is struggling this year, just like last year, is due to the players around him. That offensive line has given up a league leading 31 sacks so far. Eight more than the 2nd place Redskins! The Wr’s have fumbled the ball a league leading 5 times this year, 20th in receiving yards, and the WR’s also are 26th in catches. Two teams above them for total receptions, who have also played 7 games, are Buffalo and Cleveland. OUCH!!! Then you throw in the 27th ranked rushing offense in yards and a barely respectable 18th in yards per carry and you can obviously see that he is not the only problem here. Yes, he does make bad decisions. But so do the Bears organization for lazily hiring Mike Martz to fix the problems with the offense. His offenses were figured out years ago. Ultimately, the Bears fans should be mad at the front office for giving up so much for one player for a team that was more than one player away from seriously competing. Finally, they should be also be frustrated with a coaching staff who already had a viable QB in Kyle Orton, but could not figure out a way to maximize his talents the way the Broncos are now. Such a waste of talent in that organization that clearly lacks the leadership and personnel skills to take this team to the next level.

  5. “…He calls McNabb the anti-Cutler in terms of charisma…” Funniest thing I’ve read in a while. Ask Philly and Washington fans about Mc5’s “charisma”. I’ve never been a Cutler guy but from my view here in Philly, Bears have serious O-line issues so it wouldn’t matter if Joe Montana or Peyton Manning were QB. Get an o-line and a new offensive coordinator before you start playing the grass is greener with your QB. A new GM wouldn’t be a bad start either. The Cutler trade was easily one of the all-time worst trades ever. I feel bad for Bears fans because I know most of them are good solid fans. PS: If you want a new QB, give Philly a call for Kolb or Vick who are better than Mc5. We’ll take a couple 1st round picks.

  6. Why would anyone want McNabb?? Unless he gets back with Childress & into a system he knows he wont be anything close to what he was. Shanahan already stated he didn’t learn the offense well.. ITS WEEK 9 and your starter from OTA’s doesnt know the offense. // Also he would be behind another terrible O-line,, , we see how thats working out.
    I love how the , quote “professional analyst” say Donovan *never* had any weapons.. Those who know, know that the OL is the QBs biggest weapon cause they provide time. Dmac had THE BEST offensive line for 5-6 years of his time in philly. Brady proved you dont need stud WRs to be a great QB..
    So no matter where Either Cutler 0r McNabb end up next season, if they dont have protection they will be no better than what they are this year.

  7. Haugh nails it in his article.
    Cutler is very, very immature and when things aren’t going his way, he is a pouter.
    Watch the next time he throws a pick, what he does when he hits the sidelines. He’s not huddled up with his receivers, or his line, or his QB Coach, he just sulks.
    He does have all the talent in the world but his attitude is by far one of the worst I’ve ever seen.
    Also – and no one ever discusses this – has anyone else noticed the Jay Cutler shoulder twitch? On the way to the line, on the way to the huddle, he cocks his shoulder like its a nervous twitch.

  8. Cutler or McNabb, who’s worse? At least McNabb has won some in his career. At any rate, this is a classic case of grass being greener on the other side for bears fans.

  9. Cutler has his issues but he is far from the problem in Chicago. Lovie Smith is clearly one of the worst coaches in the NFL. How he has kept his job this long is a mystery.
    Mike Martz is killing Cutler. To run his offense you have to have an NFL caliber line. The bears have a highschool level line. Its pretty hard to drop back and wait like Martz’s plays call for when your offensive line couldn’t even win a game of red rover.
    And who is Cutler throwing to? A washed up punt returner and a bunch of other guys from the short bus?
    The bears organization needs a Soldier Field sized box of Summers Eve.

  10. Listen, I’m not saying this guy is ever going to be an elite QB, but the extreme level of hate PFT shows is silly.
    Lack of leadership? Probably. But then again, if he starts grabbing lineman by the shirt and getting in the WR’s faces when they blow assignments, people would just point to that as another example of him being a crybaby or immature.
    Having one of the most punchable faces on earth isn’t exactly immaturity. Haugh is often out there in la-la land. Immaturity is not his problem this season.

  11. the problem is not with cutler but the entire bears front office and coaching staff. it begins with angelo who has no idea how to build anything on the offensive side of the ball.look at his teams in tampa. always tough on defense never anything to worry about on offense. same thing since he has been with the bears,never built a line thru the draft always picking defense and if he did do anything for offense it was a running back back. the coaching staff under lovie is the same way,always defense and special teams which is good but they treat offense as ifit is something they have to put up with.instead of playing to cutler’s strength and letting him roll out which he did in denver and for the last 2 games last year they bring in martz and his system.great it worked 10 years ago in st.louis but the bears don’t play on turf and don’t have the people to run it. once again it’s left up to cutler to make the play or take the blame when it does not work. it does not help that martz is stubborn and takes his time to make any adj. when it is not working. he made an adj. against dallas and it worked,finaly made one in the washington game and they started moving the ball and if not for a blown call at the goal line the bears win that game. the skins could not stop them at end of the 2nd. qtr. or the drive to start the 3rd. so it can work if he makes changes in it. the last thing the bears need is worn out over the hill and always injured mcnabb.why did philly get rid of him?why did washington bench him?if you think cutler is getting killed behind that line what would a old slow mcnabb look like?

  12. fans have started dreaming about the Bears signing hometown boy Donovan McNabb as a free agent and subsequently shipping Cutler to D.C. (The Bears would also have to acquire Rex Grossman for the two minute drill.)
    awesome Greg…….. For once, I salute you!

  13. “3. Cutler “has no leadership skills.” Haugh has to be getting this from those inside the organization.”
    You may infer way too much from the article. This is much like how PFT make an issue out of something very speculative and get a popular lengthy post. And he never mentions a source. I think this is a writer blowing off steam and getting paid to do it, just like Florio.

  14. Cutler morphs into a 2010 versionJeff George which each passing day. It’s getting to the point where Jeff George looks better than Cutler.

  15. Sounds good to me, tired of seeing Cutler choke on the field. Bring in Donovan and let him actually throw up on it…just like he did in the big game. Donovan run over the other teams bench again and grab the phone, it’s your fat ass calling to tell you to run some laps.

  16. David Haugh is a hack. He’s trashed Lance Briggs and Brian urlacher just as readily. Trust me, I know him and his work… he may not be as crude and ingorant as Jay Mariotti but he is just as imaginative and out of touch.
    And no, Rosey, he DOES NOT have to be getting it from someone in the organization. That’s why the press is no different than a rumor mill these days, all speculation meant to grab headlines no real substance necessary.

  17. You could credit us, or at least post our comments, when we edit your terrible writing for you. I mean toss us a bone, Greg.
    See what I did there? I edited your name. There was a superfluous ‘g’. You’re welcome.

  18. Bears fans are idiots if they are already calling for his head. Get some players around him and he will be fine.

  19. Leadership? How bout getting an offensive line that will actually allow your QB to throw the ball first. Then we can figure out the leadership thing. Hard to lead a group of unskilled overpaid fatties coached by Mike “Tard” Tice. “Oh, this doesn’t work huh? Let’s move this guy over to the left side and see what happens this time!” “Oh, that didn’t work either? Let’s move this guy to the right side and see what happens. Who do we have on the practice squad?”.
    Jay Cutler is not the issue with the Bears. Mike Martz, Mike Tice and the o-line are the issue. Have you watched a Bears game yet Gregg Rosenthal? Peyton Manning couldn’t do anything with that o-line. It’s a disgrace. The rare times there is a chance to drop back and throw there’s probably that feeling to rush it out since chances are you’re going to get speared in the chin any second.
    Bears D is top 5 in the league. Lovie Smith is doing his job. And he is criticized for his demeanor but I’d rather have someone who doesn’t speak out than someone who won’t ever shut their mouths. He is a good coach. His only problem is that he hired a few morons and they need to go. CUTLER AND LOVIE SMITH WILL BE BACK IN 2011. F YEA.
    Rex Grossman for life.

  20. if this happened, it would be a shocker. first off the Bears offensive line is worse than Washington’s. Washington at least has two good tackles (even if people dont realize it), the Redskins offensive line issues are more to do with Casey Rabach (the center) and the left guard who i think should start at center (his more natural spot). As for Cutler, if he came to Washington, it would be interesting, but i HIGHLY doubt this happens. the Bears wont quit on Cutler (who has Favre like potential) and McNabb will end up either re-signed on a 2 year deal with Washington or with the Vikings.

  21. Gee Florio, guess you’ve garnered some readers in Chicago from your weekly stop on the Score….and as usual, that’s what they sound like, the dorks who call the Sports Radio Talkers and sound/act like they’re 15 years old, without much in the way of an original thought…..David Haugh is a joke–the Tribune gave a kid the ‘In the Wake of the News’ moniker that was once held by Bob Verdi, who must be shaking his head reading Haugh’s drivel….with that decision they SHOULD be Bankrupt!!!
    Rant over, thanks

  22. # patpatriotagain says: November 4, 2010 9:47 AM
    in this case josh mcdaniels should receive less criticism for getting rid of cutler
    ===============================
    sorry, after 59-14, McDaniels deserves everything he’s getting…. aside from Cutler, it was in order
    Brandon Marshall, Tony Sheffler and DC Mike Nolan. Did that fist pump and ignoring of Belichick ever come back to bite him in the arse!?

  23. Every article I read keeps touting his ‘immense talent’. I think at this point they shoukd just addend it to,”…for throwing interceptions.”
    Ryan Leaf level failure.

  24. purple4life says:
    November 4, 2010 9:56 AM
    He is Jeff George reborn.
    __________________________________
    Wow alot of people hate jeff george huh?
    I always thought he wasnt that bad. He was just a average QB. Way better than a guy like trent dilfer

  25. If Pryor enters the draft this year get him and then draft O-lineman the rest of the draft. Pryor has the footwork to compensate for the inept o-line and mable they’ll get another gem out of the draft

  26. McNabb is going to the Cardinals next year with an outside shot of going to the Niners. The only reason why I can see him staying on the Skins is because Dan Snyder has shown he is willing to outbid anybody. At this point why wouldn’t McNabb want to go out West (where he lives), the divisions stink, and the fans aren’t on you for every single wormburner.

  27. smarterthanyou says:
    November 4, 2010 10:00 AM
    He’s 27. This is only his 4th year starting in the league. He does not have an offensive line and hasn’t for two years. He does not have the luxury of a running game to relieve some of the pressure he sees. His receiving core is mediocre at best. This constant beating of QB’s in the Chicago media is ridiculous. They turned Rex Grossman into a mental case in about one week in 2006. People act like the Bears have had a long, rich history of great QB’s. Who is he being compared to? The Funky QB?
    Writing stories about a guy that you barely know and making assumptions into the type of person he is is weak at best.
    If you’re a real Bears fan, then back your team. Don’t be like every other fairweather bum out there and bash your team when things are down and wear your Bears jersey to work when things are on the up and up.
    The onus is on the front office to surround that arm with talent. Sure, he makes some funky decisions here and there, but there’s a certain someone who’s been placed on the ultimate pedestal, that makes even worse ones (Favre, in case you didn’t already know).
    Peyton Manning can’t throw from his back either.
    GO BEARS!
    Well Put! Bear Down!
    Cutler, given the OL, and time to throw, can be a very effective QB. But with the the lack of run to open up the field, and pass happy martz system, he is opened up for sacks and int’s, which is what we see. So until we blance the offense, and get some good OL players, cutler’s skills are just going to waste.

  28. The Bears problems don’t start with Cutler. Thats just another person Angelo brought in to fail…Angelo is the one who has to go…..He thinks he knows football or players….Not. Angelo must go…..
    My money is on Buffalo……..

  29. C’mon people! Jay’s got as bad, or worse, pass protection than Brett Favre. What else can Jay or Brett do, realistically? Take sacks on every series, or try to make something happen, within reason?
    I stand amazed at how men of even average intelligence can watch NFL football for any length of time and not eventually make a connection between superior stats and being afforded – consistently – time to step up in the pocket, while making your reads. You idiots actually think Mark Sanchez is all world? His stats seem to suggest so. You ever notice him dropping back (prior to GB game) and not really under a lot of pressure? Duh??? How about Tom Brady? How about Peyton Manning? How about Joe Montana back in the day – all his highlights rarely – RARELY – showed any scrambling. Duh, Duh, Duh???
    It’s no wonder this country’s on its last legs when not only dense minds fail to pick up on obvious trends, but talking heads also. It’s almost shameful not to be able to understand this very basic concept.
    So, continue to rip on Cutler, or Favre, or whoever the corporate whipping boy of the hour is, and remain the dolts you are.

  30. “Peyton Manning can’t throw from his back either.”
    @smarterthanyou,
    You made me laugh because that statement made me remember a play that Tom Brady made I think it was in the 2007 season. He basically slipped and fell on his ass and then completed a pass before the other team could touch him down.

  31. I would take Kyle Orton over Jay Cutler any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
    Why are Bears fans so rabidly defending this guy? He was never worth the price paid right from the very second they OK’d that trade. Never.

  32. This just in. Very hard to complete a pass when your
    A On your butt
    B Hit as you throw
    C Knocked down every time you DO throw
    D Your offensive line is horrid
    E Your off. coordinator doesn’t have his suitcase unpacked from his last 4 gigs
    F Your head coach is, well…awful
    Did anyone happen to notice what happened to Tom Brady when the Giants played the Pats in the Superbowl? After setting NFL records and and having a perfect season, the Patriots still lost. Why? See above.
    Give Cutler some slack. When was the last time Chicago had a a good, and I mean really good QB?
    I rest my case.

  33. Greg Rosenthal,
    What a fantastic post! This is one of those pieces that excites me about PFT. Oh yeah, Cutler does seem to be exactly what is stated here!

  34. I don’t like Cutler, never have, but I agree that it’s too soon to give up on him – especially when the bears’ problems seem to lie more with the o-line and the coaching staff than with the qb. Put anyone else behind that line with that scheme and they’d struggle, too.
    I also think the reason that a lot of fans don’t connect with Cutler is because of that look that he always has on his face – very Danny Ainge-ish.

  35. love the backpedaling- McDaniels and Andy Reid were the biggest maroons in football for dumping messrs Cutler and McNabb, now those moves look pretty smart.

  36. I don’t even like Cutler,but I give him credit for not charismatically saying “Get me a frickin’ offensive line”.No QB can do well without protection of some sort,Chicago has none.

  37. Maybe a lot of what the writers says about leadership is correct, but I would at least think that the Bears would wait to get a decent O-Line before shipping him off. Yeah he does make some stupid decisions, but when he has time in the pocket and a decent WR squad to pass to, I think he can deliver. BTW I am a Bronco fan so no biased here

  38. Packers are very lucky the vikings and bears are absolute jokes.
    The lions will smoke the vikings and bears. they will be the packers competition. i guarantee it. with the packers tough schedule and injuries, the Lions could win the division.

  39. @kravon
    The “windy city” was a nickname given to chicago to describe the politicians and how they were (are) full of hot air.
    Facts. Use them.
    And like everything else in Chicago, when things go wrong, everyone looks for a single reason. Same with the Cubs. It’s a culmination of many different factors. Throw in an erratic QB – that’s just the cherry on top…

  40. Bears D is top 5 in the league. Lovie Smith is doing his job.
    REALLY??? IF he was defensive coordinator, then yes, I would say he is doing his job. He is the head coach though. Which means he is responsible for over-seeing the offense as well. Truth be told, they are lucky to be at .500

  41. “Maybe they could trade him to Denver for Orton.”
    The Broncos will will happily trade them Orton back after this season. We don’t want Cutler back though, we’ll require another couple first round picks.

  42. Cutler sucks. He hasn’t improved from his rookie season. He can throw TDs but he will throw just as many INTs.
    The best he will be is a .500 QB if his defense is superb. The worst he will be is a team killing piece of crap as he cries and whines whenever he gets hit.
    chicago is the perfect place for him to meltdown and send the franchise into a further funk.
    Just another Indiana QB for the bears. Might as well bring in Jeff George.

  43. “I would take Kyle Orton over Jay Cutler any day of the week and twice on Sunday.”
    I hope you’re talking fantasy football, otherwise… best of luck with that.

  44. TheDPR – no they don’t because they’re the same when the Bears had a winning record with Orton.
    As for McDaniels picking a fight with Cutler in Denver – Cutler was obviously a failure, but the new coach has no right in that juncture to pick a fight with anyone – all it did was alienate the team, and it’s why McDaniels has lost his team.

  45. Maybe the should have a fantasy where they could pick up some decent offensive line man and maybe the OC could figure out that his offense hasnt worked that good in 10 years the lights are out on the greatest show on turf. Maybe try block with some tight end’s to Mr. Martz. Cutler has talent just not much in front of him.

  46. Thankfully the Bears signed him to a long-term contract so he’ll be in Chicago for a loooong time !

  47. Umm..he was great in Denver so it’s obviously the Bears that are the problem, not Cutler. Go back and look at highlights – every time Royal or Marshall or Scheffler scored, Jay was right there with them celebrating. What does he do in Chicago (the few times that they have actually scored) – walk off the field. It’s easy to see that he hates being in Chicago with lil wimpy ass Knox and dumb ass Hester.
    I’d take Cutler over Orton and McNabb, still. McNabb throws too many balls in the dirt and Orton just sucks.

  48. Hey Lucky5927…
    Did I really read you saying that Denver is maximizing Orton’s talent over there? They are atrocious. High passing statistics come from throwing the ball on nearly every down. They can’t win. How exactly is Orton’s talent being maximized? Well I guess it is if you see Orton for what he is…an average at best QB who will never be a winner then that is being maximized. He has a windsock arm and saying he is a “good game manager” is akin to saying he is not very good. I am sick of people trying to sell me Orton as a good QB. He is average at best. Cutler has Pro Bowl talent that is once again being wasted on a Chicago team that can’t develop a QB to save their lives. We need to clean house and get a good staff in there before we start seeing tangible results from the Bears.
    Cowher 2011!

  49. Listen, I’ll make this as short and sweet as I possibly can. So before anyone starts the “Oh, here’s a Chicago fan crap…” I’ll tell you something. I’m a Dolphins fan. So get it out of your brain! I also play fantasy football and watch all of the games every Sunday. I have never seen anyone with so much potential than I see in Jay Cutler. Nobody was talking crap when they were winning eaarlier during the year. Anyone that talks down Cutler doesn’t watch the games…just assumes that he’s terrible because of his INT’s. Give me a break! That line doesn’t give him ANY time whatsoever…Yes he throws INT’s, but let’s see why…
    I honestly don’t think that there’s a worse WR core out there to throw to! Hester (PR/KR), Knox (would be a great slot player), E. Bennett (could also be a great slot player)…so let’s play a game! If you were a GM/Coach, would you look at those WR’s and go, he’ll be my #1 WR on my team? He’s an Andre Johnson type of guy! Ha…I didn’t think so! What about that Offensive line? Really? High school was 5+years ago for these guys…time to grow up and protect your QB. This isn’t peewee football anymore!
    You can’t throw when you’re constantly on the ground!
    Here some fun facts for you…First 5 years of career INT totals….
    Peyton Manning 100
    Brett Favre 77
    Jay Cutler 70
    Did you know Jay Cutler never threw more INT’s in a season than he did TD’s?
    Did you also know the Peyton Manning did in his first 5 years in the league?
    You people pick on this man who could absolutely be one of the best all time because of what? What reason?
    He’s got 88 TD’s and 70 INT’s….you know I’d rather have a guy out there that takes chances than a guy (perfect example), Trent Edwards who never threw the ball cause there was coverage….and where is he now? A backup…give me a break! I’m sick of these bandwagon fans who just rip on a guy because it makes themselves feel good! Get real and watch what he goes through…don’t just assume!

  50. # ahoward1126 says: November 4, 2010 10:55 AM
    Cutler, given the OL, and time to throw, can be a very effective QB. But with the the lack of run to open up the field, and pass happy martz system, he is opened up for sacks and int’s, which is what we see. So until we blance the offense, and get some good OL players, cutler’s skills are just going to waste.
    _________________________________
    In his last season in Den he had one of the best OLs in pass pro in the entire NFL, a run game that averaged 116 or so YPG (good for 12th in the NFL), and a bunch of studs to throw to and still threw 18 INTS. I don’t want to hear any whining from anyone about his defense blah blah blah…I am talking about how HE performed…not why they won or lost.
    He is what he is. Being uncoachable is a problem only he can fix. Jon Kitna put up great stats in a Martz O in DETROIT which wasn’t a winning franchise…you mean to tell me he has more natural ability than Cutler??? Yes I know he had a couple good WRs as well but come on.
    I didn’t see the shot at his girlfriend either. People would do well to read another article that’s on the same site where Warner talks about other things that are contributing to Cutler’s struggles.

  51. It’s hard to do much of anything when you’re lying on your back all season. It’s amazing to me that Cutler has enough time to throw interceptions much less worry about actually completing a pass. The Bears have much bigger concerns than Cutler, but he sure does make a convenient scapegoat.

  52. Chicago’s two biggest problems are thus: the offensive line and playcalling.
    The offensive line has some talented pieces, but the coaching staff refuses to let people slide into and learn roles. Chicago has used like 5 or 6 different o-line combinations in 7 games. The coaches want to “get the most talented people on the field”. That’s nice, but constantly shuffling is not how you get a line to gel. Let the players play in a position and stick with it. There are some talented players on the team, but when no one knows where (or if) they’ll play from one week to the next, much less are they given time to adjust to their position and their teammates around them.
    The other issue is playcalling. I don’t know many teams that will be successful running the ball less than 15 times a game and throwing it 40+ times. I think Mike Martz is the only OC in the league who will give up on the running game when he’s getting 4.0+ YPC AND is maintaining a lead. It’s easy to point the finger at Cutler for throwing 4 picks, and while he does deserve some blame, what the fsck is Martz doing calling 45+ pass attempts in that Washington game?

  53. Yeah, don’t give him a #1 WR, hell they didn’t even give him #2 WRs and the O-Line is garbage, plus the Play-calling isn’t doing him favors… so how much of this is Cutler’s fault? Some, but not all.
    They should have made a play for Marshall last year.

  54. The bears have had the same problem since rex. other than thomas jones and M. muhammad(if he could be considered a bonafide weapon) who did rex have to throw the ball to. the o-line was brutal then and they still made the superbowl. The one thing in common with teams that have top flight qb’s are they all have great o-lines to protect them. I know this may sound like crazy talk but rex was probably the best pure passer the bears have had. Protect your qb’s chi-town and you will have a chance.

  55. Aaron Rodgers was sacked 50 times last season and had a passer rating above 100 and threw only 7 INTs.
    Yes, failures in pass protection affect QB play. But that’s far from the only problem with the Bears offense or Jay Cutler’s play. Last year he was sacked 35 times (which was roughly average). And he threw 27 INTs.
    Personally, I think the Bears’ receivers are below average and definitely not suited to run Martz’s offense.

  56. lunar276 says:
    November 4, 2010 12:16 PM
    Hey Lucky5927…
    Did I really read you saying that Denver is maximizing Orton’s talent over there? They are atrocious. High passing statistics come from throwing the ball on nearly every down. They can’t win. How exactly is Orton’s talent being maximized? Well I guess it is if you see Orton for what he is…an average at best QB who will never be a winner then that is being maximized. He has a windsock arm and saying he is a “good game manager” is akin to saying he is not very good. I am sick of people trying to sell me Orton as a good QB. He is average at best. Cutler has Pro Bowl talent that is once again being wasted on a Chicago team that can’t develop a QB to save their lives. We need to clean house and get a good staff in there before we start seeing tangible results from the Bears.
    Cowher 2011!
    ———
    FWIW, I find it laughable that you downgrade Orton by saying his stats are a result of Denver’s system… And then in the next breath talk about Cutler’s Pro Bowl talent… A Pro Bowl he earned while playing for the same team. Different coach, sure. But still a pass-heavy offense.
    Jay Cutler threw the ball 616 times in 2008 (9th most in NFL history). Orton’s on pace for 632 this year.
    If you want to trash Orton’s statistics as a by-product of passing too much, you’d better be prepared to accept the fact that Cutler’s stats in Denver (and his Pro Bowl berth) were accumulated the same way.

  57. “He even takes a shot at Cutler’s girlfriend, which seems a little out of place in an otherwise engrossing column that accuses Cutler of immaturity.”
    Really Gregg? Maybe you should look at some of your boss’ own writing.

  58. Profanity in ALL CAPS says:
    November 4, 2010 11:13 AM
    Packers are very lucky the vikings and bears are absolute jokes.
    The lions will smoke the vikings and bears. they will be the packers competition. i guarantee it. with the packers tough schedule and injuries, the Lions could win the division.
    ————
    Yeah, the Packers are so lucky they have 5 starters on IR. Wow, that’s lucky!

  59. We sometimes forget just how bad Cutler is.
    Thanks for the post. McDaniels deserves a little credit. He’s clearly getting much more out of Kyle (Stevie from Eastbound & Down) Orton.

  60. Unwashed Villager says
    Kyle Orton is the new (poor man’s) Jeff Garcia of the NFL.
    ————————-
    If Jay Cutler is Jeff George reincarnate then Kyle Orton is rebirth of Jon Kitna.

  61. @UcantCme:
    Wow, more slanted and biased stats have never been gathered.
    First of all, yes Jay Cutler has never thrown more INTs than TDs. True. But Manning only did it once (26 TDs, 28 INTs). HUGE DIFFERENCE between Manning’s 26 TD/28 INT season and Cutler’s 27 TD/26 INT season? Hardly.
    Also, Manning didn’t pass for fewer than 26 TDs in his first five years. Cutler’s done that once.
    Secondly, it’s laughable that you compare the INTs of those three guys over their first five seasons. Manning started 80 games in his first five seasons. Your numbers for Favre are wrong. His first season was 1991, not 1992. And he started 77 games in his 2nd through 6th season. Cutler’s started 59 games in his first 5 seasons. Apples and oranges. If you’re going to ignore the number of starts, you ought to at least include TD numbers:
    Manning – 138
    Favre – 147
    Cutler – 88
    Or passing yards:
    Manning – 20,618
    Favre – 18,724
    Cutler – 14,173
    Or maybe winning percentage?
    Manning – .525
    Favre – .649
    Cutler – .467
    Do you really think Jay Cutler “could absolutely be one of the best all time”? By what measure?

  62. David Haugh is a jokster. If David knew the Bears 1/20th as much as he should he would never have even wasted his time with this crap article.
    The Bears will NEVER admit a mistake, and after what is likely the highest price the Bears have ever paid in a trade for a player, Cutler is stuck here for life (or at least the length of the contract he just signed)
    Anyone that thinks Cutler even has a 1% chance of being traded somewhere else while this current front organization and coaching staff are still in place is OUT OF THEIR MIND.
    Haugh, get a clue you idiot. Same guy who loved Rex Grossman year in and year out. Chicago Tribune and Suntimes sports writers are shit, I honestly think half the people on this message board could write better/more compelling articles than the crap we currently se.

  63. True Bears fans aren’t calling to trade Cutler. Haugh is an idiot. Anyone who’s seen a Bears game can clearly see the O-line SUCKS! Jay has talent, no doubt about it. But even Tom Brady would be spending more time on his back than a $20 hooker with this “protection”.
    Does Cutler pout? Sure he does. Let’s ask ourselves why. Maybe he’s frustrated with the play calling. Maybe he’s frustrated because his WR’s don’t know where they should be. Maybe he’s frustrated with the OL. Who knows? We sure don’t since he’s not whining in the press like other QB’s do…
    As far as leadership…after this many years in the NFL he certainly should be displaying more. But seriously, who in the hell has any leadership in this organization?!?

  64. snarkygurl68 – a reality check –
    1 – Cutler refuses to move around to avoid hits; he insists on waiting for the big throw and thus he gets hit.
    2 – Cutler thinks his arm is so awesome that it will make up for deficiencies in reads, mobility, and general attitude.
    3 – Cutler refuses to work with the O-line and with teammates and try to improve his game; he insists on doing it his way even though it doesn’t work.
    4 – It’s the same team and system Orton had, and he managed a 9-7 record before going to Denver.
    5 – Cutler throws everyone under the bus – still.

  65. Mike Daly says:
    November 4, 2010 7:06 PM
    snarkygurl68 – a reality check –
    1 – Cutler refuses to move around to avoid hits; he insists on waiting for the big throw and thus he gets hit.
    2 – Cutler thinks his arm is so awesome that it will make up for deficiencies in reads, mobility, and general attitude.
    3 – Cutler refuses to work with the O-line and with teammates and try to improve his game; he insists on doing it his way even though it doesn’t work.
    4 – It’s the same team and system Orton had, and he managed a 9-7 record before going to Denver.
    5 – Cutler throws everyone under the bus – still.
    ————
    Agreed on all points except #4. Completely different system. Mike Martz wasn’t there in 2008.

  66. I Remember 1985 with a wild do it my way QB.But an offensive coordinator that worked with him.We need to give it time to gel.Running has always been Bears big thing.From pappa Hallas on down.Get back to basics Forte Forte Forte.

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