With Pats returning to Pittsburgh, Spygate rears its head

The New England Patriots have played four times at Heinz Field.  And the New England Patriots have won three of those games on the banks of the Three Rivers, including a pair of AFC championships.

In 2004, the Steelers slammed the brakes on an NFL-record 21-game winning streak, taking the Pats down during the regular season.  But then came round two in the title game, and the Pats rolled.

When the Patriots were caught red-handed more than two years later taping defensive coaching signals as part of an effort to crack the code when the teams met again in the future, the relevance of Spygate to that 2004 rematch for all the marbles became obvious.  If the Patriots videotaped the Steelers’ defensive coaching signals during the regular-season game, the Pats would have all they needed to figure out the defensive alignments the Steelers were calling in the postseason rematch.

(Some would say that the Steelers should have changed their signals before the rematch, especially since there’s no rule against watching the signals from the coaching box and taking notes as to the defense that ultimately is called.  Still, videotaping the signals is far more reliable and efficient.)

With 15 veterans still playing for the Steelers six years later, it remains a sore point for team leaders like receiver Hines Ward.  After telling Joe Starkey of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review on Friday that the Steelers aren’t “going to make excuses,” Ward recognized the obvious benefit that the Steelers offense would derive from such tactics.  “It would help us out tremendously, picking out tendencies and being one step ahead of them at all times,” Ward said.

Starkey also points out that, a couple of years ago, defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau acknowledged (sort of) the value of that information.  “I don’t see how it could hurt ’em,” LeBeau said.  “But that’s not for me to decide.”

Whether the still-lingering fumes of Spygate will give the Steelers an extra kick in the butt on Sunday night when the Patriots return to town remains to be seen.  But one thing is certain — those 15 veterans believe at some level that they were cheated out of a chance to face the Eagles in Super Bowl XXXIX.

Fortunately for the Patriots, linebacker Joey Porter is no longer there to stir things up.

60 responses to “With Pats returning to Pittsburgh, Spygate rears its head

  1. Keep making excuses, boys. How did signals help the Patriots score a punt return TD and a blocked FG returned for a TD in 2001? How did defensive signals make Kordell Stewart throw 4 INT’s?

  2. Ahh, another story you bring up just to incite comments from two large fan bases. Fantastic.

    Spygate likely had almost nothing to do with the outcome of the games…or likely wasn’t the deciding factor, shall I say.

    It would suck to think you’ve been denied a superbowl by someone who cheated, but most of those guys got a ring anyway.

  3. Seriously….the cheating drugged addled Steelers are upset??? They stole how many Super Bowls with Roids and Refs and they have a gripe…sheeeesh!

  4. Yes. So relevant. Does this explain how the Patriots throttled the Steelers the year they went 16-0 and after Spygate?

    Well no cameras. So they’ll have to do it the old fashioned way.

    In the voice of Howard Cosell, “We are here, in Pittsburgh. Home of the toothless, babbling minions of the percieved mighty Steelers. Awaiting them are Bill Belichick’s long winning Patriots….

    “Look at that little Brady throw!”

  5. The Steelers that cry about this (ward and former Steeler J. Porter) always leave out the first AFC championship game was won by a punt ret and a blocked FG. Neither has nothing to do with defense.

    In the second game the Steelers had a chance to get back in the game and went for it on 4th down a Bettis fumbled.

    All excuses to make themselves feel better.

  6. Everyone steals signals. Bill, I’m sure, learned it from Parcells working for the Giants. It’s in every game everywhere trying to gain an advantage. Notice how no team came out kicking and screaming against it? That’s because it’s just something that goes on behind the scenes. Mangini was just the little whiny tattler to expose it. And if the Black and Yellow wanna cry about how they “got cheated” because they couldn’t hang on the field, then so be it. Pittsburgh should worry more about learning how to hit within the rules…oh wait, that’s the only way Harrison knows to use his head…

  7. Ah, the old “I don’t want to make excuses but here’s my excuse” ploy.
    Steelers lost because they were outplayed and outcoached.
    If the Steelers weren’t looking at defensive signals in 2004, then shame on them for being unprepared. Everyone else was.

    The 2004 Patriots held the top offense (Colts) to 3 points, then scored 41 on the top defense. The Steelers want to blame that on signals from a regular season game 3 months prior? The score was 24-3 at the half. Do those signals explain the mighty 3 points scored in the first half?
    The Steelers were in trouble anyway, they managed to beat the Jets by 3 in overtime the week prior. Hardly a football powerhouse.
    This site manages to get hits based on speculative crap like this article, when a simple look at scores tells the story.
    Any Steelers that blame that loss on anything but themselves just don’t get it, and that’s probably why they lost.

  8. Biggest cover-up in sports history. Pats* forever tainted with asterisks. Funny how they haven’t been relevant since 2004.

  9. I know that the NFL is like any other business, so winning makes your company/team more money… But cheating? C’mon, Its still a game.

    Now your team will forever be known as cheaters. The Patriots most likely needed those video tapes to make it as far as they did, without the signals does anyone actually believe that they would of won?

    I personally will forever associate Tom Brady, Bill Belichick and their team throughout the past several years as a fake. An *asterisk* should be added to all record books.

  10. If Steelers OC Bruce Arians knew the Patriots calls ahead of time ala Spygate, he still wouldn’t know how to attack the defense.

    Hopefully the Steelers finally unleash the no huddle and let Ben Roethlisberger win this game early. Taking Arians out of the equation is their best chance.

  11. I would not be surprised if Belichick faced some anger and hostility at the little stadium at the confluence of the Alleghany and Monongahela rivers tonight. He’ll be lucky that the local Yinzers don’t grab him and toss him in the water.

    However, SpyGate was not all bad for Pittsburgh, as the team built on their accomplishments and the season following 2004 was full of sweet justice. The Broncos dominated the Patriots twice in 2005, including in the divisional round in the playoffs. The Steelers then destroyed that Bronco team in Denver in the championship game on the way to their own Super Bowl that year. The fact that the Broncos beat the Patriots worse in the 2nd game calls into question the usefulness of the SpyGate data – although I’m sure that paranoid Shanahan was at least a step ahead of Belichick in terms of changing signals on the fly during the season and even during the game.

    Regardless, I think that the Steelers got what they needed out of the decade, and that the process of overcoming the evil, cheating empire from Boston was an important part of that growth and maturation into a more professional organization. Now, at the dawn of a new decade, the Patriots will have to live with the eternal questions about the legitimacy of their accomplishments, while the Steelers can simply build off their past free from the same questioning and criticism.

  12. I still don’t understand why Goodell destroyed all the evidence. Between that, the 18 game season, the Roethlisberger suspension and the ridiculous crackdown on incidental helmet to helmet collisions, I have lost all respect for the man.

    He’s looking more and more like some obsessive Bond villian– hellbent on world domination with Madden, his pet Gorilla, lumbering by his side.

  13. Real Steelers fans know why they lost both Championship games & Spygate had zero to do with either. Filming defensive signals doesn’t affect throwing a pick-6 to Harrison inside the red-zone … nor Brown from running back 2 on special teams. Anything spygate related is a senseless argument, unless you are debating whether or not Belichek is a pompous ass after being told by the league to stop doing it and kept doing it anyway (until Mangini ratted him out).

  14. Uhm… nothing “reared its head”.

    You only brought it up for page traffic.

    Does anyone else here find it ironic that PFT is claiming to be cracking down on inappropriate comments, when every article is written in order to incite inappropriate comments?

  15. Illegal filming is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the Patriots cheating.

    The Patriots also have a well deserved reputation fo intercepting and/or jamming radio headset signals among other tactics. They make the cheating 70s Raiders with the vaselined jerseys and underinflated balls look like boyscouts.

    Belichick is so crooked that when he dies they will have to corkscrew him into the ground.

  16. The letter from Goodell banning the use of film taken during the game came out before the 2006 season. Knowing the Patriots (ands other teams including Green Bay) would say they didn’t use the film during the game, the Commissioner revised the letter before the 2007 season to ban any filming in certain areas of the field.
    In other words, what does the cheating the Patriots were caught for in 2007 have to do with 2004 when it wasn’t prohibited? Legally obtained steroids weren’t against the NFL rules back in the late 70’s, so why point out the Steelers use of them as an advantage in winning four SB’s in that period?

  17. Wow, this is sort of an embarrassment on many different levels that this is brought up this morning.

    First off, you’ve blown your cover as a Steelers homer and apologist. 3 years later you bring this up. You clearly have some deep seated resentment.

    Second, most people would agree that Camera hunt was the most sensationlist, overblown example of a media witchhunt in 21st century sports. And if you disagree with that, then please explain how NE rolled off 17 straight victories in 2007 after week 1, including an out and out dismantling of Pittsburgh in December (Anthony Smith, where are you now?)

    Third, even if you are of the simplistic view that the Patriots ‘cheeeeeated’, there record since week 1 of 2007 is…wait for it…44-15, and that includes the last 2 years which have basically been rebuilding years with an almost complete revamping of the defense.

    Lastly, this confirms the suspicions of myself and I’m sure many others that the Steelers are a bunch of narcissistic crybaby losers with a grossly apparent sense of entitlement. Steeler fan, how about reminding “yinselves” that the Pats scored 2 special teams TDs back in the ’01 championship game and how you were dominated start to finish and in all facets by a better Patriots team in the ’04 AFFCG. There’s no shame in acknowledging the better team won, unless you have a raging inferiority complex (which you clearly do when it comes to NE).

  18. japdouds says:
    Nov 14, 2010 10:12 AM
    Biggest cover-up in sports history. Pats* forever tainted with asterisks. Funny how they haven’t been relevant since 2004.

    ——–

    Seriously, they haven’t been “relevant” since 2004.

    Are you STUPID??

  19. Please, what excuse you going to use after the Patriots win tonight?
    Peezy is a mental midget. Surprising the Steeler Organization says one thing and thier players say something else?
    Troy Brown went off returning a punt for a TD and INTs equal cheating??? (2004 AFCC)
    The main problem here is, you just can’t roll the ball out there? Expect the Steelers to win, well because they’re the Steelers? Maybe it’s because the Steelers are predictable..Maybe the offensive line is missing key components. Maybe Harrison doesn’t play?
    After the fact the Patriots roll 18 straight wins and yet, no credit for supurb coaching and execution… Whatever, you think? Stop with this cheating crap, nobody can be that stupid!

  20. I am sure we will hear from all the Patriot’s apologists, you know, everybody does it, Bill Bellicheat just got caught.

    Let them win a Superbowl without cheating and then I might give Bellicheat his due, until then, he cheated and anything they won is tainted.

  21. Of course now we all have to endure the “everyone was doing it” justification from those lame Pats fans.
    It’s so convenient that they have blocked out all memory of the fines $500,000 fines handed out, and 1st round draft pick forfeited.
    If everyone was doing it, then how come ONLY the Pats were hit with those penalities, and ZERO other teams were punished?
    Keep denying with grade school justifications Pats fans.
    Always classy in Chowderville

  22. japdouds says:
    Nov 14, 2010 10:12 AM
    Biggest cover-up in sports history. Pats* forever tainted with asterisks. Funny how they haven’t been relevant since 2004.
    ———————————————
    Oh brother! A Roswell nut….

    ejtowne says:
    Nov 14, 2010 10:13 AM
    I personally will forever associate Tom Brady, Bill Belichick and their team throughout the past several years as a fake. An *asterisk* should be added to all record books.
    ——————————————-
    Of course you will. It makes your team seems like it sucks less if you can diminish the accomplishments of another. Well done.

    I have another place we can put the asterisk….no not there…on each of those big, shiny sliver trophies they got for being champs. Man, are they gorgeous! Woo hoo!

  23. I can’t believe that 3 years after “spygate” that people are still crying “we got cheated” boo hoo boo hoo. The patroits are cheaters “boo hoo” they have to have an *asterisk* “boo hoo”.

    I guess saying grow up won’t work at this point if your still crying 3 years later!

    The patroits went on to a 16-0 season when all eyes were watching for them cheating. There was no proof that they were taping before the game with the jets but, oh my for a team to have as much success as they had then oh my they had to be cheating all a long.

    New England is a great team with a great coach and a great quarter back and have had winning seasons since 2001. If you want to keep crying FOUL than keep crying as they beat your team time and time again!!

  24. japdouds says:
    Biggest cover-up in sports history. Pats* forever tainted with asterisks. Funny how they haven’t been relevant since 2004.

    ————————————————-

    Right …… you might actually want to take your head out of your a$$ every once in a while before you post.

  25. Didn’t the commissioner say that it had no effect on the games?

    What does he have to gain by covering things up? If he doesn’t cover things up he becomes a hero.

    He won’t lose his job by pissing off Kraft, the rest of the owners still seem to be behind him.

    Why is there not a stand against the Patriots by most of the league? There are numerous people in the league (Even Bill Cowher)who brush it off as nothing.

    And why does it seem the Steelers forget the 70’s juicing era?

  26. Personally, I am a big fan of efficiency. Can’t blame Bill for trying. Funny thing here, the Patriots were able to figure out to stop taping as soon as they were told to stop. The idiot Steelers still can’t seem the get their head around the illegal hits doctrine several weeks after it came out. Yeah, they are all about fairness and fair play… as long as it means they can helmet to helmet hit recievers and ball carriers leving them with brain trauma. Keep whinning and keep cheating Steelers.Hell, keep on raping too “Big Ben.”

  27. Uh oh. Some posters on PFT don’t respect Bill Belichick.

    I am sure he, and the Hall Of Fame he will be a member of his first year of eligibility, give a damn.

  28. iamalwayscorrect says: Nov 14, 2010 10:36 AM

    “Of course now we all have to endure the “everyone was doing it” justification from those lame Pats fans.”

    Exactly, and these are the same fans that are forever throwing “steroids” into any conversation that involves the Steelers, back in a time when, well, you know, everybody was doing it…

  29. dathtr says: Nov 14, 2010 10:46 AM
    “The patroits went on to a 16-0 season when all eyes were watching for them cheating.”

    They should have, otherwise they’d be pretty lousy at cheating. Belichick still had a tractor trailer out back filled with years worth of tapes.

    You don’t honestly think the 3 or 4 he turned over to Goodell was all of them, do you?

    Me neither.

  30. “Jealousy is the tribute mediocrity pays to genius.”

    -Fulton J. Sheen

    Florio sneakily puts this on the site to stir the pot…brilliant! Let’s hope NBC appreciates it.

    Anyways…the hypocrisy from Steeler fans is simply amazing. In professional sports, if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying and Chuck Noll has his own quote:
    “Whatever it takes.”

    Grow up and accept defeat. In the past, this evening and in the future.

  31. The ironic twist in this story is it was the Rooney Family who helped broker the deal that allowed the NFL to destroy evidence while only levying fines and some lost draft picks upon the Patriots**.

    New England fans owe the Rooney Family a debt of gratitude because the Rooney Family were the ones who convinced the NFL that they needed to make a quick end to the fiasco.

    Had the Rooney Family decided to take another approach, such as pursuing a course of action that would have vacated all past playoffs and championships the years that the Patriots** were documented cheating, it could have ruined the entire league and future viability of the NFL.

    Before Patriots** and other teams’ fans take swipes at the Steelers, just remember that it was because of the Steelers ownership that the UFL is on VS instead of network television…

    NFL fans in general owe everything they love about the NFL to the Rooney Family.

  32. blackglass3 says:
    Nov 14, 2010 9:42 AM
    Keep making excuses, boys. How did signals help the Patriots score a punt return TD and a blocked FG returned for a TD in 2001? How did defensive signals make Kordell Stewart throw 4 INT’s?

    in 2001? Oh the year when Robert Kraft paid off the refs in the snow in foxboro?
    Thats how they cheated if you wanted to know

  33. Steelers, go ahead and pack your bags for the SuperBowl. Really, buy your tickets, make your travel arrangments! Go ahead and schedule your parade! It’s almost Thankgiving…Look at the schedule, who can beat you??? The Ravens, they couldn’t handle the Falcons! The Colts are beat up, no wide recievers and hell the Patriots can’t cheat anymore. You win! You’re the Steelers!
    Best fans in the world! Best team to ever strap it up. Not too early to get all that stuff out of the way! Hell you even have the Terrible Towels..Nobody can compete with you…Goodell should get those hats and T-shirts ready to go!

  34. JETS suck. Mangina must die.

    Uh oh. French toast coming through. Gotta go release a spineless Brown-fish into Lake Erie.

    Signed under my hand,
    Eric Hipple

  35. That writer says something common about cameragate that immediately exposes this article for what it is which is an excuse to whine, sensationalize and get hits. It obviously did its job on all counts so bravo to him.

    The comment he makes “Why would Mr. Bill have continued the practice for so long if it wasn’t doing him any good?” is the one to which I refer.

    No one thinks BB taped and it didn’t do him ANY GOOD. What a lot of people disagree on is WHY he taped and what he did with it. Based on the LOGISTICS ALONE it is unrealistic to believe they could use those tapes to do anything within the same game. It is logical to believe that BB used those tapes in order to have a more efficient method (than transcribing them manually in game which was never illegal)and means to scout/gather information about other teams’ tendencies .

    For those whining about destroying the tapes I guess you missed the many times they showed excerpts of them on tv then. I have to wonder how Jay Glazer “somehow” got a copy of one when he worked for the same network as Goodell’s wife did at the time too.

    “Hate to raise a sore subject” indeed. What a load of crap by that guy. I can almost picture the smug little smirk on his face while he was writing that.

    As for Ward, I believe he would be well served simply to refuse to comment on this anymore. We all know he whined nonstop at the time so his actual opinion is on record. We get it Hines. You feel they cheated. You have the right to feel however you want, but continuing to let it in your head and comment on it publicly only makes you look like you live in the past. 90% of the Pats current roster wasn’t even on the field for them when cameragate went on. You play on a great all around team that tonight will probably beat the one for which I root. Your team has been a better team since 05 championship wise. You win, you are more successful recently. Be happy.

  36. @grpatriot

    Steelers fans expect this to be heart attack football at it’s best.

    Tom Brady is a clutch performer, and has always had the Steelers number.

    The Patriots** defense has always dialled up something special against the Steelers, and have definitely had the Steelers number during the Brady years.

    May the best team win.

    Just remember, the reason why the Patriots** were not forced to vacate their past accomplishments is because the Rooney Family had the Patriots’** backs…

  37. OK, the “Cheatriots” and “Belicheat” stuff is getting old. As a Dolphin fan I can’t stand the Patriots but their organization has been one of the top teams in the NFL since Belichick became their HC. Yes, they broke the rules and they got caught but for everyone to single them out is ridiculous. ALL teams have and are still doing things to try to gain an advantage…some are legal and some are not. The Giants used to open some huge doors in the stadium that would create swirling winds during opposing team FG attempts. Several teams let the grass grow longer in order to slow down the Rams offense when they were “the greatest show on turf”, the Dolphins wear their white uniforms at home, forcing opponents to wear their dark uniforms on hot days in Miami. All of that could be considered cheating and in that regard, the Patriots are not alone. The “asterisk” crowd needs to realize that the Patriots had their perfect regular season and destroyed teams AFTER the spygate scandal broke and they were under increased scrutiny. Let it go.

  38. And the Rooney Family ballwashing continues…

    The same owners that have watched numerous former employees die from diseases due to their rampant steroid use and did nothing to help these families until it was too late. Ask Mike Webster’s family how great the Rooney’s were when he was alive. To their credit, they stepped up when he died, but it was far too little and way too late.

    The Rooney’s have built a myth based on the same cheating and lies that the Kraft’s have used.

    Just like politicians, they’re all greedy crooks.

  39. I said as much in my post! The Organization said they didn’t believe it had any effect because any fans can see the facts…You can script punt returns for TD’s and or int’s…
    However, no one has owned up to trying to get an edge and were strangly silent while BB fell on his sword!
    Later Jimmy Johnson and others admitted to it after the fact! The fact is all Teams have skeletons in thier closet in one way or the other.
    Why? 150 practices and 16 games. You don’t get many bites at the apple. Did he tape from the sideline, yes. Did they see the tape before the game was over, no! Per Walsh, he turned over the tape after the game. Only really used it for the next game. Teams changed thier signals it wouldn’t and didn’t help. It’s not an accident they won 3 SuperBowls. The competetion didn’t secure thier play-calling that’s thier fault, not BB!!! Half of the San Diego tape were the Cheerleaders dancing for crying out loud!

  40. Hard to figure who Florio is trying to tweak here??? He picked the Patriots to win! Then brings up “Spygate,” the double whammy! This way he can get fans from both sides!!!
    Keep that post count up, hey Florio?

  41. @CKL – “We get it Hines. You feel they cheated. You have the right to feel however you want, but continuing to let it in your head and comment on it publicly only makes you look like you live in the past.”

    ===================

    Uh, right…

    Your team last won a Super Bowl when??? And Hines has two rings since then? Who lives in the past?

  42. The 70’s Steelers****, doesn’t seem fair huh? Was everybody doing roids??? Bradshaw admitted the whole team was juiced..

    Not funny, but true the 70 Steelers****? Does that mean that only 2 of your SuperBowls are legit? No doubt they were a Dynasty in my mind! What good for us is good for you Steelers****!

  43. #
    andyprough says: Nov 14, 2010 12:01 PM

    @CKL – “We get it Hines. You feel they cheated. You have the right to feel however you want, but continuing to let it in your head and comment on it publicly only makes you look like you live in the past.”

    ===================

    Uh, right…

    Your team last won a Super Bowl when??? And Hines has two rings since then? Who lives in the past?
    __________________________
    Reading comprehension is not your friend is it? Did you see the rest of my post crediting Pitt with being the better team since 05, or did you chose to ignore it so you could whine and berate me?

  44. @CKL – “Reading comprehension is not your friend is it? Did you see the rest of my post crediting Pitt with being the better team since 05, or did you chose to ignore it so you could whine and berate me?”

    ================

    No, I didn’t choose to ignore it – I just couldn’t get past the “he whined nonstop at the time” comment, LOL

    Almost like Patriots fans have “whined nonstop” since their little cheating scandal was exposed?

    And sorry – I was not aware that my reading comprehension was being tested today. Should I take some No-Doze and sharpen my #2 pencils?

    Win something untainted, and then come talk to me pal, alright?

  45. “They should have {went on to a 16-0 season }, otherwise they’d be pretty lousy at cheating. Belichick still had a tractor trailer out back filled with years worth of tapes.

    You don’t honestly think the 3 or 4 he turned over to Goodell was all of them, do you?”
    ^^^^^
    It amazes me how simplistic simpleton’s like you are. As an example, four of the 2007 Patriots opponents were from the NFC East, teams that they hadn’t faced for 4 years.

    You *really* think that those teams didn’t change signals in 4 years? REALLY? For the record, the Patriots dismantled a good Dallas team, putting 48 pts on the board, and I recall them hanging a 52-7 whipping on Washington.

    Maybe you’ll just have to swallow your pride and give them their due, and acknowledge that they were/are a great team.

  46. @grpatriots,

    Steroids were legal in the NFL during the 70s.

    Taping opponents signals was not legal in the NFL during the 2000s.

    The Patriots** broke the rules, the Steelers didn’t.

    You don’t see a HUGE difference?

    Of course not, you are a Patriots** fan! LOL!

  47. Ok Andy so you actually saw it and CHOSE to be ignorant…so much for my giving you the benefit of the doubt…gotcha!
    You give Steelers fans a bad name. Most of them aren’t morons like you.

  48. #grpatriot says: Nov 14, 2010 11:20 AM

    “Steelers, go ahead and pack your bags for the SuperBowl. Really, buy your tickets, make your travel arrangments! Go ahead and schedule your parade! ……Goodell should get those hats and T-shirts ready to go!”

    smirk…
    Listen to this guy.
    You guys were so sure of victory in Super Bowl XLII your players were laughing and inviting Giants players to their victory parties during the game.
    The Boston Globe was so confident in a Patriots victory, they offered advance sales of a book entitled “19-0: The Historic Championship Season of New England’s Unbeatable Patriots.”
    You already had the parade planned and the t-shirts printed up…

    Meanwhile, shortly after …somewhere in Nicaraugua, some poor kid is wearing a new t-shirt and wondering “what’s does 19-0 mean, and who the **** are the New England Patriots?”

  49. Oh, Mike, Mike, Mike …

    Who needs Joey to stir things up with you around? You are sooo much better at it. And you do it for profit. My goodness how could you possibly let such an opportunity slide? LOL

    Speaking of Joey though …

    Still miss you Joey!!!! Hope Whis is treating you well!!!

  50. FoozieGrooler says:
    Nov 13, 2010 7:00 PM
    Jets-Browns will wind up being a better game.

    Steelers will roll.
    Patriots will fold. – Season over.
    —-
    From another post lol

  51. raidersteve413 says:

    :in 2001? Oh the year when Robert Kraft paid off the refs in the snow in foxboro? Thats how they cheated if you wanted to know.”

    Ahhh, just after Kraft committed 9-11 and before he got Bush re-elected and caused hurricane Katrina.

  52. At least Kraft isn’t a phony like Rooney is. He trades Holmes because “character” (pot, lol) yet keeps his star QB Raplisberger and continues to let his star defenders maliciously hit opponents.

  53. video gate
    (or spy gate… whatever you want to call it)
    tuck rule
    and the 3 SB’s they won all by 3 points?
    Each of those wins should be marked by a huge asterisks.
    then the one SB they play since, they end up losing to the Giants. Tell me that’s more then just a coincidence? LMAO!

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